Sri Lanka v India, 1st Test, Galle, 1st day July 18, 2010

Seamers not grabbing opportunities - Kirsten

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Gary Kirsten, India's coach, has expressed disappointment over how few Indian fast bowlers have added to the bare cupboard, or shown the promise to be given a long run. "In the last two years and seven months that I have been with the team, we have tried 15 or 16 seamers in one-day cricket," Kirsten said. "That's a lot of options. We need to settle on the few who can get through.

"It is a concern that the guys are not saying 'I am here now and now I am going to play international cricket for next five years'. A lot of them might argue that they haven't been given enough opportunities, but when you are trying to achieve results all the time, sometimes you get only limited opportunities and you have got to ensure that you show what you are capable of in that time."

Kirsten was speaking after India had a disappointing start to the Test series against Sri Lanka, conceding 256 for 2 in 68 overs on a rain-curtailed first day. Ishant Sharma, who has not had a great time after a promising start to his career, found himself leading the pace department in the absence of Zaheer Khan. He went for 79 runs in14 overs.

"We need to be patient with Ishant Sharma," Kirsten said. "He hasn't had much game time in the last three months. In his last Test in Kolkata he made a crucial contribution, got two vital wickets against South Africa. We need to be patient with guys who we know have the potential and talent to go forward. We must be careful not to judge him on one practice game and one day here. Let's give him a bit of a run and see how he goes. He lost a bit of confidence towards the end of the last season and that takes some time to come back."

When asked if Ishant and Sreesanth should have been sent on the A tour of England, especially to play in the first-class games, Kirsten said: "I would like the guys to have as much game time as possible. Wherever they get an opportunity to play quality cricket they must play."

Kirsten also spoke about the missing allrounder in the scheme of things, someone who could have shored up the bowling in circumstances like today. "It [playing five bowlers] is an option, but you know that our success in the last 16 Test matches has been this combination. We are a good batting line-up, and it's important for us to have six batsmen. Ideally we want a batting allrounder who can bowl seam but there are not many of those.

"If he is going to be a batting allrounder, he has to be able to make a contribution with the ball. We can't have a guy bowling at 115 kmph, holding up one end and getting one wicket every five Test matches. He has got to be able to make a proper contribution with the ball. Irfan [Pathan] was certainly one of the individuals that we earmarked, but he is probably a little bit light on his bowling side."

Sidharth Monga is a staff writer at Cricinfo

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  • on July 25, 2010, 6:07 GMT

    Sharma was the toast of India a year or 2 ago. He is young and can get good batsmen out. He should be persevered with.

  • Bytheway on July 24, 2010, 13:16 GMT

    Bowlers win matches, as demonstrated by Pakistan.

  • v4vicky on July 24, 2010, 11:46 GMT

    India should bring Irfan Pathan ( swing bowler & descent bat at no.7), Ajit Agarkar (better bowler than Ishant & better bat at no.8), Murali Karthik as second spinner and continue with Mithun as hit the deck of kind of bowler with good inswing and bouncers like Srinath of yester years along with a fit Harbhajan. This way not only the team gets stable having 5 different kind of bowlers but also the batting does n t weaken as the tail can really bat descent enough with Irfaan, Bhajji, Agarkar all not mugs with bat and can hence easily substitute the need of 7 batsman in the team! This is also a good way India can think of claiming 20 wickets in 2 sessions as all of these bowlers are good have international experience and different than each other to be implied on opposition as the need may be!

  • on July 24, 2010, 7:00 GMT

    irfan pathan should be given a chance in the test series....every1 beleives he can prove himself...n do wonders for INDIA...

  • syedmkr on July 24, 2010, 6:55 GMT

    This is the time Indian Cricket Board should awake and look for a genuine all-rounder and a genuine FAST bowler. The lose to Sri Lanka in 1st test is huge as it is clear indication that lack of quality fast bowlers and all-rounder. The BCCI should recall Irfan Pathan who is a good all-rounder and include Munaf Patel in the playing Eleven at least to attack the Lankan strong batting line-up and look for a win

  • A_S_M on July 24, 2010, 6:22 GMT

    Pls give a chance to the classy but little-utilized seamers such as Laxmipathy Balaji, Munaf patel, R P Singh and Irfan Khan. They had made wonderful inroads when bowling against a side such as Pakistan with players of the class of Inzimam, Yusuf and Yunis in recent memory - and esp in the sub-continent pitches. They have won matches for India. Added with Zaheer Khan, these will provide more options for India esp for test matches. You need some of these bowlers to match the firepower and skills of emerging Pakistani bowlers such as M Aamer, M Asif and Umar Gul. When teams are well matched it makes for an exciting context esp with the psychological component and skills of cricket warfare.

  • sriniaiyer on July 24, 2010, 3:57 GMT

    Bring back Munaf Patel for the 2nd test in place of Ishant Sharma who has been unduly persisted with by the selectors.RP Singh should have been in the team instead of Ishant. Politics rules the roost in team selection.Whatever happened to the likes of Murali Kartik,VRV Singh,Pankaj Singh,Irfan Pathan?

  • amulya4 on July 24, 2010, 3:48 GMT

    hey guys i m just 15 years old.. but i think dat i can b a better selector.. what d hell.irfan is doing in A class cric.. he shuld b in indian team along wid uthappa.. as uthappa n irfan r best frnds{really}.. and dhoni hates dem donno y.. but irfan shuld b in team.. i think i m d gr8est fan of dhoni but still it is unfair to irfan. u can listen to every programme of cric on t.v . d player who is most preffered to b in team is non other den irfy .. so just widhing him best of luck.. <3 <3 <3 <3

  • Ismail0810 on July 23, 2010, 17:15 GMT

    Plz any 1 can tell me y selectors r not giving ikpathan atleast 1 chance.i dont think so dhoni is avoiding him.

  • mahi678 on July 23, 2010, 14:45 GMT

    U guys, see the domestic performance. Praveen Kumar and Vinay Kumar are best bowlers in both tests and ODIs(from domestic records). Try both one will definetly be a prospect for future. These ishanth, sreesanth are nothing comapred with their bowling performances in domestic. Pls see the truth!!

  • on July 25, 2010, 6:07 GMT

    Sharma was the toast of India a year or 2 ago. He is young and can get good batsmen out. He should be persevered with.

  • Bytheway on July 24, 2010, 13:16 GMT

    Bowlers win matches, as demonstrated by Pakistan.

  • v4vicky on July 24, 2010, 11:46 GMT

    India should bring Irfan Pathan ( swing bowler & descent bat at no.7), Ajit Agarkar (better bowler than Ishant & better bat at no.8), Murali Karthik as second spinner and continue with Mithun as hit the deck of kind of bowler with good inswing and bouncers like Srinath of yester years along with a fit Harbhajan. This way not only the team gets stable having 5 different kind of bowlers but also the batting does n t weaken as the tail can really bat descent enough with Irfaan, Bhajji, Agarkar all not mugs with bat and can hence easily substitute the need of 7 batsman in the team! This is also a good way India can think of claiming 20 wickets in 2 sessions as all of these bowlers are good have international experience and different than each other to be implied on opposition as the need may be!

  • on July 24, 2010, 7:00 GMT

    irfan pathan should be given a chance in the test series....every1 beleives he can prove himself...n do wonders for INDIA...

  • syedmkr on July 24, 2010, 6:55 GMT

    This is the time Indian Cricket Board should awake and look for a genuine all-rounder and a genuine FAST bowler. The lose to Sri Lanka in 1st test is huge as it is clear indication that lack of quality fast bowlers and all-rounder. The BCCI should recall Irfan Pathan who is a good all-rounder and include Munaf Patel in the playing Eleven at least to attack the Lankan strong batting line-up and look for a win

  • A_S_M on July 24, 2010, 6:22 GMT

    Pls give a chance to the classy but little-utilized seamers such as Laxmipathy Balaji, Munaf patel, R P Singh and Irfan Khan. They had made wonderful inroads when bowling against a side such as Pakistan with players of the class of Inzimam, Yusuf and Yunis in recent memory - and esp in the sub-continent pitches. They have won matches for India. Added with Zaheer Khan, these will provide more options for India esp for test matches. You need some of these bowlers to match the firepower and skills of emerging Pakistani bowlers such as M Aamer, M Asif and Umar Gul. When teams are well matched it makes for an exciting context esp with the psychological component and skills of cricket warfare.

  • sriniaiyer on July 24, 2010, 3:57 GMT

    Bring back Munaf Patel for the 2nd test in place of Ishant Sharma who has been unduly persisted with by the selectors.RP Singh should have been in the team instead of Ishant. Politics rules the roost in team selection.Whatever happened to the likes of Murali Kartik,VRV Singh,Pankaj Singh,Irfan Pathan?

  • amulya4 on July 24, 2010, 3:48 GMT

    hey guys i m just 15 years old.. but i think dat i can b a better selector.. what d hell.irfan is doing in A class cric.. he shuld b in indian team along wid uthappa.. as uthappa n irfan r best frnds{really}.. and dhoni hates dem donno y.. but irfan shuld b in team.. i think i m d gr8est fan of dhoni but still it is unfair to irfan. u can listen to every programme of cric on t.v . d player who is most preffered to b in team is non other den irfy .. so just widhing him best of luck.. <3 <3 <3 <3

  • Ismail0810 on July 23, 2010, 17:15 GMT

    Plz any 1 can tell me y selectors r not giving ikpathan atleast 1 chance.i dont think so dhoni is avoiding him.

  • mahi678 on July 23, 2010, 14:45 GMT

    U guys, see the domestic performance. Praveen Kumar and Vinay Kumar are best bowlers in both tests and ODIs(from domestic records). Try both one will definetly be a prospect for future. These ishanth, sreesanth are nothing comapred with their bowling performances in domestic. Pls see the truth!!

  • cric_specs on July 23, 2010, 8:42 GMT

    Dear selector, please recall irfan, rp singh to make experienced bowling unit.

  • XooX on July 23, 2010, 8:30 GMT

    @cric4lyf

    Maybe Dhoni too should start biting balls..But wait, India doesn't want to lose 5-0...

  • on July 23, 2010, 8:09 GMT

    yea i dont understand the indian selection, i mean if sree santh and Zaheer Khan are injure why bother taking them on the tour when you have bowlers like RP singh and Irfan Pathan. I believe india is making the biggest mistake on not letting irfan pathan play, i believe he is the best all rounder that india has produced since Kapil Dev. This kids can bat and bowl, i believe it was only a few years back where he got the hat trick against pakistan. and in his last test against south africa his batting performance was exceptional being not out for 21 in the 1st innings and being not out in the 2nd innnings for 46. Ishant Sharma is lucky to be on the test side with his recent sturggles with bowling.

  • on July 23, 2010, 6:36 GMT

    Get Irfan Back. He is a terror to any batsmen with his wicket taking ability and sultan of swing. on times he had even dominated Zaheer's pace by his reverse swing. He had proved to be a better bowler of all times both while bowling in India and look back the statistics when ever he is been called back he has given the winning momentum to the team, He was the one who was night mare for best batsmen of subcontinent, Chance is been given to players with little exposure from IPL, but with his one man show in IPL even while opening innings with Bat and Ball and finishing the inning with amazing strikes from both leather and wood. Common selectors lets group up Select team for India based on performance, class and caliber.

  • Futurrackz on July 22, 2010, 22:07 GMT

    Why aren't we playing Irfan as a batting all-rounder man, he averages closer to yuvraj with the bat in Test and possesses a better technique and temperment. Apart from that his batting average against SL is 42.89 . He can chip in more often as a third seamer and he is also capable of getting the old bowl to reverse. Also playing him as batting all-rounder will lessen the pressure on him with the ball and you might see him doing well with the ball again. An example of that is Shane Watson for Australia who hardly balls in Test and look with no burden on him for performances with the ball he is doing even better then their front line bowlers. I think it is Dhoni who is behind non selection of Irfan as he has got even more glamour and ability then Dhoni to be on the ads or the other reason could be MSD's friend RP who was once dropped making way for Irfan, thus hurting Dhoni's pride. Further a CSK selector sitting on top has made it even more easier for MSD.

  • ishan22 on July 22, 2010, 15:28 GMT

    Indian bowling is in a mess and one doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to know that. IPL has destroyed cricket in India. IPL is to cricket what world war II was to the world. India's fast bowling is the main victim. Zaheer Khan played in IPl but becomes unfit while playing for india. Ishant Sharma was a very good emerging bowler in 2008 australia.But after the start of Ipl in 2008 is horribly out of form. He has taken just 22 wickets in 8 tests at a bowling average of 42 since IPl.Rp Singh won us the test at Perth in 2008 but has since then lost his form.He has not played a test for more than 2 years,important point - No test match after IPL.Sreesanth makes a dream debut in south africa 2006. After IPL 2008 he has taken just 14 wickets in 6 tests at an average of 44.52.Again a casualty of IPL.IPl is like a monster that is galloping indian cricket.IPL 4 will have 94 matches. Fast bowling is a skill that cannot be nurtured in a 20-20 match. IPL will only destroy young bowlers careers

  • cric4lyf on July 22, 2010, 11:50 GMT

    I think India should ask pakistan for help.....may b PCB can give some of their street players who can replace so called seamers of India.

  • neuroman on July 22, 2010, 10:25 GMT

    yep its true that india nerve have such class fast bowlers as other countries like Australia, SA, PAK WI and even England, although they have nice spin options which is suitable only in sub continent wks. Irfan was good optin but favourism is also there in indian cricket,,,,,,,,,, todays win of srilinka was just wowwwwwwwwwwwww with murli Magic 800. good luck india for second test

  • XooX on July 22, 2010, 6:55 GMT

    High time the Indian board and selectors sat down to chart out India's bowling future. For the moment, the focus should definitely be on the 2011 WC and not just on "grooming talent". Rank all the players who shall be available for the next 1-5-2 years (or even lesser since WC is just around the corner) and play them on priority basis. Zaheer and Sreesanth injured? No problem, send the no.3 in the list...Maybe Praveen Kumar..Maybe Agarkar..Whoever.. There needs to be a dedicated approach..

  • on July 22, 2010, 3:00 GMT

    WE HAVE SO GOOD SEAM BOWLERS IRFAN PATHAN , ISHANT SHARMA , ZAHEER KHAN , SREESHANT AND RP SINGH 5 GOOD BOWLERS PUT THEM IN THE SQUAD GARY KRISTEN BELIVE ME THOSE BOWLERS MADE US NUMBER ONE INCLUDING HARBHAGAN SINGH , AND ALL THE OTHERS. AND INCLUDING OUR BEST BATSMANS .

  • jals on July 21, 2010, 4:23 GMT

    It is difficult to understand what is the problem of Shrikanth and Dhoni with Irfan Pathan. They are keeping away a Indian No.1 all rounder from International cricket. This is unfair with Irfan. Please bring him back to International cricket for the sake of country.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on July 20, 2010, 9:54 GMT

    @satotheend.nice to see that India climbed one position in your rankings. :P. And you mentioned about SL as a better team and thats why I asked what they achieved. India beat amost all teams in their home ground in the last 3 years not just Aus. Read and understand what I asked or said. Yusuf pathan was not a success as an allrounder. I told you, Viru, Tendulkar, Raina etc are better bowlers than so called allrounders. And Harbhajan is a better batsman than those allrounders!. If you have a wickt keeping batsman, then you have 7 batsmen + 4 bowlers combination which is enough for the match. If 3 of your batsmen can bowl reasonably well, thats enough for even ODIs. I donot have any comments on Morkel-Ishant comparison , I just wanted to say India is the NO:1 team in the ICC rankings and India was in the top 3 rankings most of the time. India achived that without any real allrounders. Just think what happened to NZ , they have 8-10 alrounders in the team.But yet to won any major ODIs/

  • on July 20, 2010, 7:54 GMT

    We WANT IRFAN PATHAN!!!!!

  • on July 20, 2010, 7:49 GMT

    Where is Irfan, he was the leading Fast-Indian wicket-taker in the IPL, scored the 2nd most runs 4 Punjab xi... and had an AMAZING recently concluded Ranji season... Btw, Irfan was bowling around 125-130 compared 2 the 130-135 Ishant was bowling on Indian pitches in the IPL... so y dont u just give him a GO???

  • satotheend on July 20, 2010, 6:46 GMT

    @Man007 - I am a South African supporter through and through... But I also love watching great sides play cricket. And make no mistake, India is a very good side. But that does not cover the fact that they have a MASSIVE weakness in their fast-bowling stocks. And just btw, isnt Yusuf Pathan a spinner?? Read carefully before making comments. I think Sri Lanka is a team I will pay to watch. Sometimes they have bad days but they are still a good team. Man007, please read my first comment... My problem was that Indian supporters were dissing Morkel and saying Ishant is a better bowler... Steyn and Morkel has demolished a lot of top orders although Morkel is stil growing into a good whilst Steyn is the REAL DEAL. I was simply stating that before you say your team is No 1 in the ratings, look at their ability to sta there. We in SA made the same mistake after beating Aus in Aus! They hammered us back here in SA. And we were bragging abt being No.1. So I am still saying... INDIA IS NO.3 OR 4!

  • Fast_Track_Bully on July 20, 2010, 4:27 GMT

    @satotheendWhat happened to your favourite SL even if they have great bowlers and batsmen. Why they are not able to won anything significant?? So according to you, if a team lost aone match, that team is the NO:1 and you will not consider any prior results. Try to find a slot for Eng too. They won matches recently against BD. :DDo not analyse India's bowling based on Ishant Sharma and Mithun. Have you heard about Zaheer who is injured and out of the team recently?. and Srishant who wrecked SA in the last tour? For a team which has the best batting lineup donot want more bowlers. 2 Fast bowlers, 2 Spinners will be enough for a test match. And as per your view only a medium pacer will consider as an allrounder???. What about a spinner? If you donot know check few earlier games where Sehwag and Sachin bowl few fantastic spells and got crucial wickets against all teams. These players are much valuable that so-called allrounders. Thanks for the prediction 'satotheend the octopus'!. wake up

  • on July 20, 2010, 4:22 GMT

    I did a small analysis with the present crop of bowlers (>25 years) and future bench strength bowlers. I am sure Mr Kirsten would have done the number crunchin too. If you think of nurturing one <25 years bowler then who should it be?

    Among the young brigade of VRV Singh Pankaj Singh Irfan Pathan Rudra Pratap Singh Praveen Kumar Umesh Yadav Sudeep Tyagi Ishant Sharma Abhimanyu Mithun Pradeep Sangwan

    The most deserving bowler to get a look in (below 25) into the test team seems to be Umesh Yadav and Praveen Kumar basis their First Class averages. But Mithun, Irfan Pathan and VRV Singh score over the two on strike rates.

    As far as the present crop of bowlers (in favour i.e.) Zaheer, Sree and RP lead on Strike Rates while Sree, Irfan and RP lead on averages. This is all for Tests, since the dilemma is for tests.

    As you see, Irfan is everywhere. Guess its time to give the bloke a look in.

  • on July 20, 2010, 2:53 GMT

    there are very good all rounders like IRFAN, why are u not picking up him.....?

  • Romeo248 on July 20, 2010, 2:05 GMT

    all those critcs who thinks irfan shud not be in team plz go n check his stats and last ipl stats...u will realise

  • Romeo248 on July 20, 2010, 2:03 GMT

    Any 15 year old who have some knowledge how to bowl can bowl better than ishant..the way he bowled to srilanka was terrible...what a waste in team...bhaji can bowl faster than him and might team him how to bowl fast

  • Romeo248 on July 20, 2010, 2:01 GMT

    the slectors gave enough chances for this rap new fast bolwers and none have worked out and up to the mark so why cant they give a chance to irfan...just one chance and he will be in team forever..he has the capability...is there any better indian fast bowler than him in ipl3 ? he was the best allrounder last ranji season with an awesome average and more than 25 wickets...

  • relentless_rock on July 19, 2010, 22:36 GMT

    i think 2 major reasons for India having not produced world class fast bowlers are firstly, we are a country fascinated with batting, where audience, experts, commentators are all fixated wid our batting talents. Secondly our flat pitches where bowlers merely play a role of going thru d routine whilst basmen are expected to win all matches whether domestic or intenational.

  • vickymultani on July 19, 2010, 20:08 GMT

    in ipl3 IRFAN was only 3rd indian fast bowler who took 15 wicket and made 276 runs at the ave. of 34.50 with SR. of 148.38 where DHONI could manage only 286 runs at the ave. of 31.88 with SR 136.66 !!!!!!!!!!! sooo what do u axcept more then this ??????????? other fast bowler like ishant, sree,parveen and many more what did they do ???

  • Samuel_Gunners on July 19, 2010, 20:06 GMT

    IRFAN msut be in team ? What for ? To run fast and bowl fast bowling at 115 KMPH ? Be serioous please... I am ok with Irfan as long as he bowls around 135(meduim pace) .. We have enough spinners in team. Dont need Irfan too.

  • Irshad805 on July 19, 2010, 17:16 GMT

    Hey guys...m new in here...if u cud listen dis is wat i gotta say... We really dont have to keep blaming the selectors all the time...As far as i am concerned they have been doin a fair enough job...sumtimes dey do make mistakes bt...As far as the selection for this series is concerned, i dont find much fault...Its not great selection bt v juz don hav enough resources as of nw...And guys der r odrs news wch u shud kno...Nehra is not fit enough 4 tests...hes already mentioned it...and bringin bak irfan is a gud idea, bt i personally feel Irfan n uthappa hav to made to work really hard b4 entering the team coz dey r awsum talents n dey hav to realize themselves...And wn it comes to shree n Ishant dey r gr8 talents too bt, Shree has to change his attitude n Ishant has to work hard on his consistency....Les hope v get da best possible combinatn by da tym its world cup...cheers guys

  • rick333 on July 19, 2010, 17:11 GMT

    The comments to bring Irfan Pathan back are very funny...had a hearty laugh did nt know there were so many lunatics here....

  • satotheend on July 19, 2010, 17:03 GMT

    @Man007 - I don't care much for ratings... And to be honest, would India stand a chance against Australia in Australia with the current bowling line-up? Or South Africa for that matter... The last three years have PASSED!! We are talking the HERE and NOW!! South Africa aren't great and I feel we put way too much pressure on Steyn to perform.. AND we need a decent spinner to be long-term champions. Australia have a very VERY good seam attack. And spinners that are not all that bad. I think its fair to say they are the No. 1 side in the world. And I think Sri Lanka is an EXTREMELY under-rated team. They have very good batsmen and very good bowlers... Much better than India... So I think its safe to say in CURRENT form they are a better rounded side. So.. CURRENTLY India is my no. 4 side. And I'm not even mentioning an improving England side. Guys... better get Irfan or Yusuf or someone in there quickly AND GET THEM PERFORMING otherwise you will be languishing in 5th place in the ranking!

  • W350 on July 19, 2010, 16:45 GMT

    I am a great fan of Gary,n thats been from his playing days,but these remarks are not something i expected from him.Irfan Pathan is the best answer that India has for an allrounder,n if he is not going to be picked they are certainly not going find someone in the no.6 slot.With th W.C fast approaching i seriously do feel that Pathan deserves a look and be given a long run.I dont think thats it too much to ask for especially with the kind of treatment that Ishanth,Jadeja,Munaf,Mishra(guess the list could go on)...are getting..Ishanth dates back to the Australian series,but the rest when have they won a match for India?where have they performed overseas?n still find a place in the eleven n a constant basis.LOL!Why cant Pathan simply be given the same treatment? Is the IPL performance whats looked at? even then i dont feel he was bad.True,the level of performance may not be the same..but its still way way ahead of guys like Munaf or even Jadeja.N i have never seen Pathan bowl 150kmph!

  • manasvi_lingam on July 19, 2010, 16:02 GMT

    If the selectors do not pick Irfan, at least they should start looking around for bowling allrounders in domestic cricket. Since Dhoni is capable enough of batting at 6, what India needs is a bowling allrounder at 7. Thus, apart from irfan they should go for some unorthodox picks. Here are a few options: Ganapathy, I. Abdulla, A. Nayar, etc. Of these, Nayar is more suited to ODIs but Abdulla in particular is a promising player. He is a very capable bowler and can contribute usefully with the bat.

  • crikkfan on July 19, 2010, 15:18 GMT

    Some comments based on others' posts so far - 1. In the case of Irfan, stop waxing lyrical about his past laurels - is he playing at a level right now in the A games and practise matches to be test-match ready? I dont think so or seen any evidence to that note. 2. Bowlers win test matches but batsman can SAVE the test matches - agreed India's bowling cupboard looks bare but until Sehwag, Sachin, Dravid, Lax and Gambhir collapse to 200ish allout a couple of times, India is not going to lose test matches or series. Sure it can happen with Murali magic (or Mendis for rest of the series) but I'd wait before spelling the doom for #1 team. And btw if India loses by 1 test margin, it would still be at 121 points and ranked #1. 3. Well, 2 comments are enough for now. Thanks!

  • on July 19, 2010, 15:16 GMT

    Yeah pick irfaan pathan and praveen kumar and with harmeet singh and we will have a devastating fast bowling of 115kph or maybe 90(slower one).No matter how much swing they get they will never become strike bowler.We can do one thing though pick munaf patel with 140+; train him at MRF pace and let him suffer an injury and see him bowling at 125+.Most of indian bowlers are making mockery of fast bowling with speeds >135 . Add all this to bhajji who will take 5 wicket haul in every 10th test that too at meagre 150+ runs.

    And yes they tell us that India is No.1 test team.Why? because india plays only against Srilanka and bangladesh and OVERSEAS tour of Zimbawe while pakistan gets spanked by Aus.India in reality cannot become No.1 or2 with this attack.2nd grade bowlers of Aus are much better than us.Bowler with speed and SURNAME of likes of Dinda can never dream of intimidating bats like tait or lee does

    Well done Srikanth and pawar for scheduling another series against SRILANKA

  • rsurya on July 19, 2010, 15:13 GMT

    Can we post more than a lakh post here or more than a record of posts so that we turn someones attention towards Irfan pathan. Iam starting now WE WANT IRFAN. pls can everyone......

  • on July 19, 2010, 15:11 GMT

    Being a Paistani fan, i always wanted sum1 as talented as Irfan not 2 play 4 India BUT now i even feel sorry 4 him... srsly 80% of cricket fans r asking where is he??? Cant his experience atleast help, i have seen discussion with thousand s ofcomments asking 4 Irfan 2 no avail... POOR IRFAN PATHAn :(

  • Nampally on July 19, 2010, 15:06 GMT

    Gary, You are absolutely right on. India has selected some bowlers at 125 KPH as their pacemen. A pace bowler should be at least at 140 KPH to be selected. Irfan Pathan is an excellent all rounder but his pace is below "C" level for a fast bowler.Ishant is the only one close to 140KPH but lacks direction, control and consistency.Sreesanth is the other one but is injured most of the time.How can Ishant, Sreesanth be included in the India A team, as many have suggested, when they are so fragile? Sreesanth was injured without boeling a single ball, Munaf is easily the worst fielder and not a good bowler. There are currently at least 4 young fast bowlers who can bowl at over 140 KPH. Bring them in and train them for length, direction & control.I would be greatly insulted as a Selector to see a Nation with over Billion people and claims Cricket as their #1 sport, yet cannot produce half a dozen pace bowlers. The Selectors should correct this or Resign in favour of a better Selection team.

  • on July 19, 2010, 14:45 GMT

    Continuation of my comment I would like to begin with criticizing the BCCI. They are the richest board in the world and they don't invest money at the root level for grooming of their players.If the players are groomed in the right manner they will less prone to injury. They should provide supreme level of training for their fast bowlers at the root level so that their body get adapted to the rigorous routine and may resist injury or have less impact.Pay guys like Kapil, Akram, Younis and Lilley to coach them from childhood and give better training facilities like better equipment and grounds,A high profile coach at the superior level will always grab media attraction.That's why countries like Australia produce fast bowlers who are less prone to injuries than the bowlers from the sub continent.These principles should be followed as a bible to produce fit and strong players.If the selectors or anyone from BCCI read this please give it a thought rather than trying to fill your pockets

  • Vilander on July 19, 2010, 14:30 GMT

    last test against Aus,SA and SL 2-0,1-1,2-0 in favor of india, agreed all were home series for india but still. So i would suggest over eager fans of the other teams to wait for the current series and the ones against Aus and SA to get over before speaking bad about india.

  • on July 19, 2010, 14:21 GMT

    Guys pardon me for my punctuation mistakes in my last post and one grammatical mistake, @ Guru thanks for your support. which will make no difference to the current situation as we are not the people who make the decisions.Had we made the decisions then Prasad and Kapil Dev would be giving coaching to the young bowlers in the robin singh and Jadeja for fielding to make it better,they were the best we had. No offenses to Kirsten he has done a good job till now but the amount of experienced candidates we have in our country can be used to do the job and lead to better results.People like Kirsten, Chapel, whatmore should be used at school level where the children learn how to play the game to give them a strong foundation and hence making them stronger and better performer in the international arena. I am not done yet and will be writing more in my next article

  • sonjjay on July 19, 2010, 13:28 GMT

    I agree with all the fellow Indian fans Irfan deserves a chance, atleast ahead of Munaf. I still remember the blue eyed boy on the tour of oz swinging the ball and rattling wickets, he gave all of us a hope. he needs to imrpove his pace though swing is his main course and he needs to supplement it with atleast 135k/h. I hope he is picked by KKR for the next season that way he will be able to work with Wasim. Also RP singh should be brought back he has a snorter of a short ball. I am sure all Indian fans are having sleepless nights after watching the bowling on First day, also Ishant needs to be salvaged somehow...

  • Nampally on July 19, 2010, 12:38 GMT

    India occupies the #1 spot in the test cricket because of its batting. India's fielding and Bowling leave lot to be desired and if rated in tyhese 2 crucial departments of the game, it will be #8 out of 8 Major cricketing Nations. The strange part of the process is that the BCCI & the Test Selectors are doing Nothing to improve this gross defeciency. So the First thing India must do is to get some good Selectors comprising people with vision who p[lace cricketing excellence above politics. Secondly run coachin/Training camps to develop Fast and spin Bowlers. These camps should produce physically & Mentally tough players with strong fielding abilities. India needs at least 6 pace bowlers with >140 KPH and who can bowl with good control.If India is #1, prove its strength by dominant bowling, Batting & fielding. Non visionary Selectors are the main cause for India's short coming. A nation of over Billion cannot produce 3 pacemen is simply unacceptable cricket promotion.Wake up BCCI.

  • rsurya on July 19, 2010, 12:30 GMT

    May Irfan take us to hell in a match,but it would be nice when compared to dhoni and srikanth take us everyday. Srikanth have no sense, you can understand this from his one statement after our team become No 1 in ICC rankings, that the same team which took us to the NO1 spot will play the next series. he doesnt care of anything he is playing with hope in luck. just hear his interview for 1 time everyone will get mad and stop watching cricket. Irfan should have born in TN.

  • Remo_Bond on July 19, 2010, 12:29 GMT

    See, its a clear fact that indians are lacking in the pace bowling department. But i would say the fault really lies with the selectors. No, i am not making an argument for argument's sake... This selection panel, has been far from a foresighted one... There are quite a few evidence before us.. Its very clear to an normal fan that The main six fast bowlers in india are, Zaheer, Sree, Ishant, Praveen, Munaf and RP. Then we have Irfan .. Now, we sent an inexperienced trio to Zimbabwe for exposure , 9 months before the worldcup. Then we sent another inexprienced quartet to england for A series when our main bowlers were in NCA. Have a look at england set up. see, how they are dealig with their fast bowlers ensuring that they are playing even when they are out of the team. Now, seriously after all this we cant expect our fast bowlers to come good, do we? I'm clearly surprised Dhoni or Kirsten didn't ask the board to send the main bowlers on the A series atleast..

  • rajkumarpms on July 19, 2010, 12:17 GMT

    hi all, dont forget IRFAN PATHAN WAS THE MAN OF THE MATCH both times in final when India win in world cup 20 and india won agains Australia in AUTHRALIA

  • Joji_ on July 19, 2010, 11:34 GMT

    I cant help but keep imagining a team with top 5 or 6 from indian batting line up and the the pacers/ seamers/ spinners from Pakistani line up. That would be tough team to beat !!! What you guys say ???

  • Joji_ on July 19, 2010, 11:34 GMT

    I cant help but keep imagining a team with top 5 or 6 from indian batting line up and the the pacers/ seamers/ spinners from Pakistani line up. That would be tough team to beat !!! What you guys say ???

  • tick on July 19, 2010, 11:23 GMT

    i am a pakistani supporter but i also closely follow other matches..i tell you how much a good batting line up can make up for your low bowling...paki batting is poor and inexperience than aus but their bowling is better than aus yet they lost the match becoz incapability to bat against part timers....every one knows the time india got number one they were and still playing 7 star batsmen in test side..but the differnce has been the injuries to zaheer,out of form sharma,and retirement ever reliable kumble..and than if harbhajan plays 70% fit you should be expecting strugling bowling from indians...but their batting will not let tthem down so they can't really lose a match until they want to lose..

  • on July 19, 2010, 10:47 GMT

    India need to hire a quility allrounder from the other nation, like ausis hire drik nanece, zimb hire gudwin brothers, nill jonshan..... eng hire lots of crick.. so why dont india try to hire alrounder player from aus or SA because hopefully he will be the ideal for new generation of indian cricket especially for all rounders rather then Kapil Dev, because Kapil dev is/will be the ideal for those indians who dont play crick at national and international level.

  • on July 19, 2010, 10:47 GMT

    bring back Irfan, he is the only genuine all rounder we have :-)

  • vikramreddytric on July 19, 2010, 10:26 GMT

    What Kirsten is saying is cent percent right.. When ever they giving chance to new fast bowlers, they not using the oppurtunity properly. Its really high time for selectors to ignore Ishant Sharma from the Team. I think they have given enough chance for him to prove, which he failed to do. If we look at the 1st days play, Mithun bowled extremly well compared with Ishant. And its really very very difficult to maintain the No.1 position with this kind of bowling line up.. Hope our BCCI will not give a warning to Kirsten for talking to media about this.. Cant trust BCCI.

  • JohnBhajan on July 19, 2010, 10:25 GMT

    This guys is just defending himself, let me clear you guys what his role is in team management. He is needed for the guys like Rohit, Raina,Virat and Yusuf (and not for SRT and Rahul). but he hasn't able to solve anybodies batting issues. He is not able to solve any pace bowlers issues. he is just saying those guys that go away and solve your issue yourself, then why he is required. This is just a waste of money from BCCI.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on July 19, 2010, 10:16 GMT

    @ satotheend Aus1, SA2, Lanka3 and India4???. you seems to be in a day dream. Can you pls point a recent rankings in which India was not in top 3 ??? Check the status of the last 3 years: http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;orderby=win_loss_ratio;spanmax3=19+Jul+2010;spanmin3=19+Jul+2007;spanval3=span;template=results;type=team

  • GowharGeelani on July 19, 2010, 10:14 GMT

    I am in complete agreement with Mr Kirsten. But, I am sure I have a solution for him as well. Instead of trying same bunch of 10-15 bowlers or allrounders who haven't delivered as expected or been as consistent as one would have liked them to be, it's time to think out of the box. There is a genuine fast bowler from the troubled state of Jammu and Kashmir, who can also bat at No.6 or No. 7 for India. Samiullah Beigh has many five and four wicket hauls in Ranji Trophy, has also taken nine wickets against Haryana in one of the matches, has also been selected for North Zone on more than two occasions, can bat as well, has already some 50 and 40 plus scores to his credit...Why not try him? He's also attended MRF pace academy conditioning camps, bowled to Sachin Tendulkar at nets, coached by no one less than Sir Dennis Lilly; what else do you need? What are you waiting for? Sachin is supposed to have told Sami "If you don't make it big, it will be your tough luck"!!!! So, he is the guy!!

  • Suresh.Balajee on July 19, 2010, 9:20 GMT

    Hey Guyz, I m accepting to the fact that Irfan is a Good all rounder... But tell me at least one reason to bring him to the current side. Please don't say Good against Pakistan, Hat-trick or his average, Please say any recent performance or his recent Ranji records.

    Speaking about Ashwin or Vijay, they had a good IPL3 season. We all seen how threatening Ashwin was in IPL3, even he opened the bowling and giving away only 3-4 RPO in a 20-20 game. Infact he was given only one chance in the Zim tour and he proved he is worth to the side than others. Vijay was also good in IPL3 and has good Ranji performance.

    Speaking about Badri, his form was good in the past, but now he is not in form. Even he showed great performance in IPL3 and not as bad as Irfan or some others. But I hardly remember him wearing India colors, and that too not recently.

    Wat else u want it. As Kirsten said, Players r finding fault with lack of opportunities n fail 2 show others wat they r capable of ven given chances

  • howizzat on July 19, 2010, 9:01 GMT

    Instead of blabbering why good consultants should not be provided to the seamers on one-one basis? Like Bruce Ried for Ishant, Donald for Munaf and Sreesanth and Akram for Irfan who were quite effective in the past.

  • howizzat on July 19, 2010, 8:56 GMT

    Good one Tick. And the opponents should be Srilanka. Because BCCI just loves play SRILANKA.

  • satotheend on July 19, 2010, 8:24 GMT

    The situation with Indian fast bowlers are critical... And laughable at the same time... Before the SA/Ind series, these very same Indian supporters were rambling about the "potent" and "world's best" opening bowler partnership of Ishant Sharma and Zaheer Khan. They totally dissed the Steyn/Morkel partnership and said that Ishant is miles better than Morkel. I think the current situation reflects the total ignorance of the fact that India is NOT the world's no. 1 team. Never was and until they find a decent pace battery to compliment their good spinners, NEVER WILL BE no. 1. Australia are building a formidable team and South Africa only has a few boxes left to tick (Yes yes... a World Cup or any trophy will be good) Add to that SL who absolutely blitzed the hapless Indians, then I really think India REAL psition is closer to 3rd or 4th in the world...

  • on July 19, 2010, 8:16 GMT

    HEY guys i said that india badly nead a bowiling allrounder like irfan pathan. i surprised to saw that why selectors not giving chance RP singh NEhra in test squqd They really eligible for test.India no 1 in test but they can not secure the place if they don"t supply quqlity fast bowelrs....................................

  • on July 19, 2010, 8:11 GMT

    Its high time we sack Shrikanth and move to someone who know how it feels to have a healthy team, we need the likes of Kapil Dev or Saurav Ganguly in the selection committee who have lead their team to great heights.They were great captains and they know exactly what it takes to make a good team. Irfan for no reason has been kept out of the team where he is needed the most as a bowler who can chip in with the bat more than required at times of need.He had gone through a rough patch with the ball does not mean he can't play.He should be nurtures and grown, as he is has the spirit to do it with the ball what he has done in the past again.Give him a chance out of IPL.Nehra, P Kumar, RP are better contenders than Munaf as he is out of form and not performed for a long time.Get your ego out of the equation and get him back in the 11.India needs him

  • vikydice2 on July 19, 2010, 7:56 GMT

    Please dont comment here..its waste of time...i have written an excellent practical way article to select indian team...but these board pupil..didnt even consider and posted here...but any way as a true indian..i wish all success to indian cricket team to lift the fortcoming cups..jaihind

  • Prabhakar_M on July 19, 2010, 7:53 GMT

    @gavinfrank : I perfectly understand your questions. But I just want to remind you that, just before picking team to ZIM (which was lead by Raina), Irfan finished that domestic session with 31 wickets and 238 runs (of 5 matches). You are asking for status. I accept.. But there are guys who are worse than Irfan and they are getting chances, just bcoz of the 'legendary' Dhoni

  • guru1323 on July 19, 2010, 7:50 GMT

    Hahahaa @tick nice one..i support you :P

  • on July 19, 2010, 7:40 GMT

    ONE OPTION - If Dinesh Karthik is taken in the team and allowed to keep wickets, Dhoni, who has that quality of pace bowling, may be considered a batting allrounder. What say?!

  • ShariqueRizvi on July 19, 2010, 7:34 GMT

    we miss Irfan so much......he has so many potential....he can batting very well he can improve bowling side also.....it's totally politics of selector.....and Dhoni also....he van give his potential to team more than sri, balaji, rp.IRFAN PATHAN has become a PREY to the CRICKET's most EGO filled POLITICS ie BCCI SELECTION POLITICS, he's the best all rounder to have played after KAPIL.If this persists then SACHIN has to forget his dream of winning 2011 world cup.If selectors persist with ishanth/srishanth why not with Irfan,his average is even higher than dhoni.Wat more can u ask from this young kid just 25years old,with still many years left in him.Guys from BCCI still persist with poor ISHANTH and oldest NEHRA who is bowling like a oldman with no energy,takes a lot of pounding and picks wickets once in 10 matches Plz Select Selector who know the Cricket , Not politics At least Need One chance to Irfan as well as Srisant and Ishant. Garry please think ..... I know u know cricket Better

  • on July 19, 2010, 7:26 GMT

    Reply to GAVIN FRANK, Its 'KAMRAN KHAN' - LEFT ARM CHUCKER , who played for Rajasthan Rpyals. Its a gud idea.

  • on July 19, 2010, 7:26 GMT

    For the comment kirsten has made i want to ask him on what capabilities ravindra jadeja is playin in the team when he can neither bowl properly nor bat.At least irfan can bat.And regardin his bowling he is just a confidence low.Otherwise his reverse swing is one of the best.Really just giving excuses will not solve the problem.Give him a chance in a series i am sure he will show his capability.But worthlesss to talk.Just corruption and monopoly creepin into the selection.God save this cricket nation from this eat corrupted selectors.:)

  • thelatecut on July 19, 2010, 7:17 GMT

    Where is PRAVEEN KUMAR? Why is he not given a chance when Zak and Sree are not there in the team. Although he is not a very fast bowler, we have seen him troubling the batsmen in ODI with his line and length and SWING. He can bat a bit too ( certainly not an all rounder).

    Atleast he deserves a chance.....and we should see how he performs in a test match.

    .....................Coming to IRFAN PATHAN, i think the selectors could have tried him now in the absence of Zak & Sree although he is not bowling like he used to bowl a few years back........and of course we all know Irfan can bat...........

  • undertakerjohncena on July 19, 2010, 7:15 GMT

    Guys you are absolutely correct..Irfan needs to come back..but for that he needs to prove that he hasn't lost his pace...when he was in the team and where he is 19 yrs old...he was bowling at 144 kmph which even troubled the batsman and also he has some very gud inswinging deliveries...but right now he lost his pace to 115 kmph which is not at all gud where even sachin can bowl at the same pace..so he needs to put bit more effort and certainly he will be there in the team....Ofcourse india selection is always like this even Ajit Agarkar who was very gud at times but the problem is he goes for runs..but that ofcourse he picks the wickets in every match..now days every bowlers is going for runs and picking the wickets..we need at least four very gud fast bowlers and spinner..where two r completely bowling dependent..like Zaheer and Ishant..two all rounders like Irfan and Ajit..so that they can bowl at resonable pace and chances for them to pick the wickets..rest like Viru can bowl spin..

  • Pratik_vodka on July 19, 2010, 7:14 GMT

    When Kumble retired this was the exact concern, how will india win Test matches again ?, Harbhajan looked promising but its a different ball game when you have to be the lead and not a good support for Kumble. Zaheer hardly is fit but that was no suprise, we did not depend on Srinath to win us games and same cannot be expected of Zaheer. We can never depend on fast bowlers to win us games cause they can hardly stay fit for long periods. We need Ojha and Mishra to really step up to the plate if India wants to maintain its No.1 spot for long. ishant Sreesanth Irfan are not the answer, but Ojha and Amit Mishra have to be. A good steady support from them to Harbhajan and we can still have victories. Our Batting will help us not loose and win a few by freakish talent that they posses but for consistency we need better spinners and a avg fast men.

  • Percy_Fender on July 19, 2010, 7:11 GMT

    I want to mention here that Irfan's being kept out has nothing to do with Krish Srikanth's nepotism. Nor does Irfan Pathan need any recommendations on the basis of his religion as I see is happenning. I have followed his career from his U 19 days, as I thought he would be a great left arm fast bowler for India. At that stage I had not imagined that he would ever be an allrounder or fall in the zone of consideration as such.He developed his batting skills under Greg Chappell who is being blamed by all and sundry as being the villian who destroyed his bowling. Every time the domestic season starts, I keep following Irfan's performance for Baroda or West Zone. Sadly as Gary Kirsten says, his pace seldom crosses the 120s. They say he has lost his swing. It may be just because of loss of pace.For all the people who are vehemently espousing Irfan Pathan's case, I request them to just follow his performances in the domestic circuit. He is simply not yet ready to be brought back.

  • bbnn on July 19, 2010, 7:08 GMT

    What happend to Irfan Pathan?Actually Cricket Gurus ruined his career as a bowler.When he start his cricketing carrer his run up was not sraight a little angled run up.By that angle he was creating a discomfort for all the batsman in the world.Just remember that hatric aginist PAK.The so called Cricket gurus find fault in his run up .He forced to change his run up more straight.The what happend he lost his natural angle and swing.The he is trying to get that wsing bank by pitching the balls short and he i sgetting the treatment from batsman.I have a small solution for Irfan to getbak his swing and speed.Irfan please use a loosegrip on the ball that will give you the swing and pace pack.I am sure....!

  • on July 19, 2010, 7:06 GMT

    The fast bowlers of India need to have some sort of planning by the team management to survive and perform in the international cricket simultaneously.Dont make them play more IPL matches and coach should have everything in his authority to decide what amount of cricket they should play.I think non availability of English and Australian bowlers in IPL teams are helping the respective countries.Andy Flower is doing a terrific job with the English bowlers.Another thing are the pitches in India.The stronger domestic teams prepare greener than green tops for weaker teams even in Elite division matches where as only flat tracks are used for international matches.India has to encourage their fast bowlers by providing good pitches at international matches and take the risk of learning the hard way.And the problem with Irfan Pathan was that he got bogged down with the expectations of fullfilling the role of an allrounder but he was the most promising bowler in the 2000s.

  • Test_Match_Fan on July 19, 2010, 6:51 GMT

    New blood should be given a chance. There is enough talent in India if politics is left out. Mithun looks good so far. I am glad he was given a chance. The old players with belly fat need to be thrown out: Yuvraj, Zaheer and Tendulkar.

  • frozeninusa on July 19, 2010, 6:50 GMT

    What opportunity? Do traveling with the team and carrying the drinks account for adequate opportunities? If you are going to pick youngsters like Umesh Yadav and Sudip Tyagi, at least test them out before you kick them out. If they are not good enough to play a few matches, why pick them at the first place? So many young careers have been ruined in India with this kind of musical chair selections. I can never figure it out how we keep changing reserves without even playing them once. Take the example of another young lad Sourabh Tiwari. Was selected for the odi tournament. Did not get a game, although should have played in the last league match the result of which did not mean anything. I will not be surprised if he never gets a chance again. As far as Irfan is concerned, he should get another chance in the ODI team. He will be a valuable player for the world cup.

  • gpand on July 19, 2010, 6:45 GMT

    I believe Irfan has the potential to be a perfect no. 7 batsman for India with Dhoni coming in at 6 and then he can double up as a 5th bowling option. I am confident he has got the potential to take atleast a couple of wickets in every match and be a decent a no. 7 batsman. Kris Srikanth and his team are making constant blunders in team selection its time for them to go....

  • whizkid8 on July 19, 2010, 6:44 GMT

    Irfan is certainly a very promising talent who lends balance to the Indian side, especially so in ODI's and 20-20s and clearly deserves to be brought back..the selectors have been playing with his confidence by recalling him midway from a tour, using him as first or second change bowler, and also messing with his batting position when he was in the team. In fact Irfan has won more matches for India than many of the current members of the team by coming in at No.3 in ODI's to provide a solid base for all his team members to build on and also by his bowling especially during the inaugural 20-20 World cup. We have few genuine match winners in the team with good temparament in crisis. Just when Irfan and Yusuf had won a crucial ODI match for India from an absolutely hopeless position, Irfan was dropped from the team which apparently also affected the mental state of his brother Yusuf. Hope selectors can rise above narrow regional considerations and give true fighters like Irfan a chance

  • bishadratna on July 19, 2010, 6:41 GMT

    all who thinks harbhajan z useless just check

    http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/29264.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings

    his batting

    http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/29264.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

  • on July 19, 2010, 6:37 GMT

    most of the pitches in india are good for spin bowling.. Kirsten has a point but there isnt much for fast bowlers. the board can takes this seriously and send the folks over to UK,australia or other places where they can get more swing and work on the bowling. India is lacking pace attack :(

  • on July 19, 2010, 6:34 GMT

    It is very sad that somebody like Irfan Pathan couldn't gain a place in the squad even during the absence of the so-called talented Zaheer & Sreesanth. Selector's & Dhoni are answerable for this blunder. Irfan in very much helpful in batting order as well. Please give him one more chance instead of Munaf / Mithun.

  • deepady on July 19, 2010, 6:33 GMT

    I don't know why we are fighting for irfan pathan only. Can anyone of you tell me how many wicket he has taken in his last 20 ODI and how many runs he has conceded for that. He is completely off color with his bowling and what is the point of his selection...

  • Sunny4181 on July 19, 2010, 6:32 GMT

    I do agree.....Irfan is the best allrounder available in India.....but he is the victim of bad politics in BCCI.....

  • on July 19, 2010, 6:21 GMT

    Well Gary shud move back to MRF seamers asso n find out new talent tht can b well prepared 4 WC.....else inspite 4m having wonderful batting....thr r no chances of winning....!

  • on July 19, 2010, 6:20 GMT

    Irfan is out of the team only for non-cricketing reasons...Dhoni has hopes only on Jadeja...who imo sucks big time....bring bak irfan....atleast give him a chance in one or two series....

  • Siddiee on July 19, 2010, 6:17 GMT

    Isn't Dhoni a world class all rounder in the team . He fulfills the need of a WK and a specialist batsman and gives the team an option to play 4 specialist bowlers and 6-7 specialist batsmen. Irfan/jadeja etc aren't match winners with either bat or ball and at utmost can be described as utility players where as we already have sehwag, yuvraj etc to fill in that requirement coz they are handy with the ball and match winners with the bat. We require a bowling all rounder at 7 who can be used as a primary bowling option considering our main 4 bowlers struggle to finish 40 overs among them. All the talking about irfan is based on his initial years of cricketing career when he possessed swing, reverse swing and descent pace in his armory and was an obvious choice in the team but now bowling more slower balls than regular deliveries he has lost his sharpness of being used as a quality bowling option.

  • Rajesh. on July 19, 2010, 6:17 GMT

    Seamers not grabbing the opportunities...? Haven't been good enough, as simple as that !!

  • on July 19, 2010, 6:15 GMT

    Am from chennai , but i am dragged to say so that 'Chennai guys enjoy more priority than others',see the case of M.VIJAY he's a chennai player , his passion is more on CSK than to india,he plays most aggressive cricket for CSK than to india like our YUSUF PATHAN does for RAJASTHAN ROYALS. He is unfit to be in the indian team,but as you know he's picked ahead of ROBIN UTHAPPA in WORLDT20 and u know wat happened.Same is DINESH KARTIK,he is a zero in batting except few innings in a non-crucial match.Instead there are lot of people like NAMAN ojha ,who is a more good player than dinesh.Irfan performed the role of an opener successfully against same SL team , hitting 93 runs in his 1st chance also a gr8 performerat No-3 who can extend the batting order.He's had an off-day in the field, does it mean the selectors have to shut down his entire career mercilessly,same case to ROBIN UTHAPPA.ISHANTH dont need this much importance,his stats r very poor,to be an international bowler

  • raj_che on July 19, 2010, 6:11 GMT

    Rightly said by Gary, Pathan cannot pick wickets at test level for sure. He has lost his pace and swing and would be really a stop gap bowler who can just stop the run flow at one end which is of no use at test level. his batting is pretty good but he cannot be brought in at the expense of a batsmen at test level. At ODI's? yes for sure, looking at the all rounders that are currently playing he is surely much better than the likes of jadeja yusuf etc.

  • on July 19, 2010, 5:59 GMT

    Why somebody like Munaf Patel has place in Team, have he proved something to achieve a place in the squad? Mr. Srkanth, you have given him much more chances to prove his talent. What about poor Irfan Pathan, He is better than Munaf and A. Mithun. He is reliable All Rounder also. Give him one more chance please.

  • ListenToMe on July 19, 2010, 5:57 GMT

    Irfan is a bowler who can bat. So he should concentrate on his bowling more. Those who support Irfan should understand that he is not bowling to his potential now. If he is serious about coming back to Indian team he should bowl well. We know that his avg speed now is just in the 120s. With this speed you can't succeed in test cricket for sure. He is better now for 20-20 and I think he is satisfied with that because that earns him money. Those who support him please tell me what happened to his bowling speed? Why he is not trying to improve that?

  • tick on July 19, 2010, 5:51 GMT

    BCCI and PCB should make a deal.indian batsmen should be sent to pakistan and pakistani bowlers to india...it will balance the teams for both sides..

  • Najja on July 19, 2010, 5:51 GMT

    May be Irfan should move to South and start playing for TN and CSK. Cant help to make this comment though being a south indian. Nepotism has always been a curse to Indian Cricket. Otherwise there is no reason for Irfan to be overlooked when we are craving for his type of a player. He should work on his bowloing too. Don forget the kind of swing he used to produce and the hattrick against Pakis.

  • on July 19, 2010, 5:45 GMT

    Its sad that IRFAN PATHAN has become a PREY to the CRICKET's most EGO filled POLITICS ie BCCI SELECTION POLITICS, he's the best all rounder to have played after KAPIL ji . His test record as a batsman with average 32 in 29 matches with a test century and six 50's to his credit,with a test hattrick against our arch rivals PAKISTAN, 100 Wickets in just 29 matches, with 7 -5wkt haul and 2- 10 wkt haul , didnt even guarantee him place with a fantastic IPL-3 to his credit,still he's knocking at the doors but none to respond due to DHONI's ego.Wat more can u ask from this young kid just 25years old,with still many years left in him.Guys from BCCI still persist with poor ISHANTH and oldest ASHISH NEHRA who is bowling like a oldman with no energy,takes a lot of pounding and picks wickets once in 10 matches...If this persists then SACHIN has to forget his dream of winning 2011 world cup.If selectors persist with ishanth/srishanth why not with Irfan,his average is even higher than dhoni

  • gavinfrank on July 19, 2010, 5:27 GMT

    For ppl asking for Irfan to be brought back into the side, can you please explain on what basis should he be brought back. Has he had an exceptional domestic season, has he put in a brilliant performance somewhere..newhere to warrant a place in the team ?? Irfan was given chances for years to make a mark , while he had a promising start , he failed miserably later on, and was finally dropped. Now to be brought back just because India needs an allrounder is ridculous to say the least.I totally support Dhoni and srikkanth in ignoring Irfan for the time being. What india needs is a chucker fast bowler with a slinging action. The IPL couple years back did have an indian slinging chucker with the rajasthan royals..cant remember his name...india need tear away pacers......bowlers who can bowl in the mid 140's atleast. And then india needs to preserve them only for tests..not mess their careers with 50-50 and 20-20 cricket. Munaf and Ishant have lost out cos of this...

  • passionate_cricket_follower on July 19, 2010, 5:26 GMT

    Greg Chappel was the person behind finishing Irfan's career. He was the strike bowler and continually being sent in at no 3 or even an opener!!! He was confused about his role in the team and didn't concentrate on bowling fast.

  • cricfanraj on July 19, 2010, 5:23 GMT

    For ALL those guys who want Irfan.. Gary answered your question.. you don't want a bowler bowling some crap at 115 KMPH and get a wicket in 5 matches . ITs better if India forgets about all rounders and not o spoil good bowlers like Irfan while trying to create all rounder out of him. We already done the damage. All India needs is 2 good bowlers and two above average bowlers . All that we have now is average to below average bowlers. Stop cribbing on selectors. The entire responsibility is on players who are just not good enough. The sorry part is the bench is very weak and only miracle can get a good bowler to India forget about very good or great.

  • on July 19, 2010, 5:12 GMT

    This is the high time of India to sack Krishnamachari Srikkanth, Indian team main debacle is selection of players, even the blind fellow who knows Indian Cricket will never omit Irfan Pathan. As long as jinx Srikkanth select the team India will never win even a single match, he will give priority for Murali vijay, Badrinath, Ashwin he knows only these three players. I bet India will not any of the current tests. Bring Irfan pathan and see the result.

  • on July 19, 2010, 5:11 GMT

    We are missing Irfan very badly. What is the use of bowling 140Kmph when it does not give results? Bowling at around 130 is certainly not a draw back if you can bowl a good line and length which Irfan can. When people like Sreesanth,Balaji can be given so many chances, it is baffling to see the way Irfan is treated. Stikanth needs to give an explanation. Looks like there are other Non Cricketing reasons to this Irfan treatment.

  • DareDevilFighter on July 19, 2010, 5:09 GMT

    HEY GUYS u knw what we all r wasting our time and eergy both coz we all r saying the truth tht IRFAN is really reqd in the squad but no1 is caring of him....as they hv trust in WORLD'S NUMBER 1 ALLROUNDER JADEJA.............lmao

    so there is no point in commenting on this forum...max number of calls are for IRFAN but the selection committee is blind and deaf and only has mouth to give excuses so its better tht v stop this.........

  • Nzf-India on July 19, 2010, 5:08 GMT

    Irfan will come into the Indian Team....and not only he will play but will set example for those who hasnt picked him for over a year................BEST OF LUCK IRFU........DONT WORRY....INSHA ALLAH YOU WILL BE BACK SOON

  • DareDevilFighter on July 19, 2010, 5:02 GMT

    SRIKANTH has more faith in JADEJA than IRFAN........BUT JADEJA IS A USELESS FELLOW WASTING AN ALLROUNDER'S SLOT.......

    Poor IRFAN i feel very sad for him........

  • vipin.chaudhary2325 on July 19, 2010, 5:01 GMT

    irfan pathan is da only best option after zaheer khan, look at his stats, in 29 test matches, hi have got 1000 runs and 100 wicket.... its much better den Ishant Sharma 25 matches 64 wickets, how many matches does ishant want to complete 100 wickets... I don't understand dat if Ishant hairs get into his eyes, how can hi bowl... come on, cut yours hair buddy, its cricket not football, otherwise u will soon get bald as ur captain dhoni is getting now a days, team can also use service of Ajit Agarkar, he is still alive, and is much better bolwer, batsman and fielder den Ishant Sharma

  • DareDevilFighter on July 19, 2010, 4:59 GMT

    hey guys u knw what IRFAN is indded working really hard but no 1 has the trust in him he shud hv been cared n nourished by BCCI n shud hv worked to bring his pace back.....but the bloody BCCI politics and Mr Srikanth is responsible for not taking care of him Srikanth shud hv atleast given him chance on the A tour or even when india visited zim this year...He is by far the best all rounder Inida has after kapil so i guess its high time tht selectors shud atleast give him 1 chance just like JADEJA gets everytime...........GROW UP SRIKANTH...

  • Samar_Singh on July 19, 2010, 4:46 GMT

    Poor Irfan .... he should be in the team and playing this test... we know India is sort of a bowler and Bhajji the lead bowler is not well... Irfan is a waste of talent.... suprising to see Yuvi in the test squad again and again for nothing... there are atleast dozen more capable test player than yuvi ... how cares untill Dhoni favors Yuvi....Yuvi is not the same fielder we knew and he has got nothing to contribute with the red ball in this format... if Yubi is there to wack the ball then Yousuf is better option in this subcontinent pitches ... Yuvi's selelction is no logical...Once again I say Irfan, Irfan, Irfan...we cricket funks also know about the game of cricket not only biased Srikant or Dhoni...

  • mchewy on July 19, 2010, 4:44 GMT

    A population of about a billion of which most are cricket crazy and not one perosn can bowl over 140 kmph.that is ridiculous. W.I much less of a population and they have at least 2 bowlers minimum who hit above 140 all the time. Austrlaia also much less and look at the bowlers they have. all countries have fast bowlers except the most populated of them all..India..that definitely says somethng about how cricket is run in India. Irfan is NOT a strike bowler he is able to contain runs, but for test cricket no one really cares of containing so Pathan is not an option. Fix the structure...

  • Ismail0810 on July 19, 2010, 4:43 GMT

    Poor selectors atlest gary is trying for the pace bowl fast bowl's mean's 140-145+ but indian bowlers are hardly bowing 135.y cant the farmal bowl's help BCCI in finding the fast bowl's.plz give kapilsir a chance india is a country with vast cricket lowvers but our selector's can'nt find atleast 1 fast bowler who bowles 145-150 shame on the selectors,atleast 140-145...dhoni dont be lazy u r the only save the future of indian team plz ask the selector to generat a fast bowler.

  • TiwariIndia on July 19, 2010, 4:41 GMT

    It was bound to happen! We only gave Dhoni the brand, the power and rights to play with the nation. It is no longer a secret that he had problems with Irfan Pathan and few others. Lets face the reality... 70% of the cricket fans in India want Pathan to be back in the side but do our selectors really care? Just because our team is at number# 1 in test ranking we tend to ignore our weaknesses. I feel ashamed to see the team of BCCI, people who don't really understand the nerves of the game. Lets pray the almighty to either give us a patience to tolerate such non-sense or for a magical turn-around before the WC2011...

  • on July 19, 2010, 4:41 GMT

    Irfan Pathan Come back is really important for indian team. Why selectors choose unexperience player Mithun if sreesanth is injured they replace with Irfan Pathan.

  • on July 19, 2010, 4:21 GMT

    All you Irfan Fans here, remember one thing. These guys are playing for their country. And at international level, you are as good as your last performance. If Irfan Starts playing well, these same Dhoni's and Srikanth's will get him back into the team. Irfan is now bowling at the speed which Ganguly used to bowl. And for starters, India needs a bowler now, irrespective of the bowler's batting ability. And please, nobody can have personal vendetta against a good player!!! And Why are we even calling back Munaf Patel. He is a perennially unfit player

  • Percy_Fender on July 19, 2010, 4:16 GMT

    Mr Kirsten is a dedicated coach and must have a say in selection if India has to hold on to their status in Test cricket.Irfan Pathan is very much the all rounder that he has in mind. Fit to play at the international level in terms of temperament and batting skills. But his bowling skills have quite mysteriosly disappeared. With so many experts around him, I am sure he is not short of advice. So I feel it may be out of place for me to add to it. Nevertheless I feel, that he is not transfering his body weight first backwards and then to the delivery stride leading to him bowling only with his arms coming into play. He is a six footer and has decent body weight. So I see no reason why he cannot generate the momentum at the point of release to bowl at least at around 135 kmph. I also feel that Irfan should also concentrate on bowling cutters. He could be quite effective with this form of bowling I fee. If he gets bach his pace he could go back to swing as he used to do.

  • on July 19, 2010, 4:09 GMT

    yes i feel the same, see all comments said the same missing Irfan Pathan, he can bat too,BCCI please bring him back or else explain why you guys ignoring him

  • ranabikram on July 19, 2010, 3:53 GMT

    Irfan Pathan is the best bet for India for a Seam Bowling All Rounder. Believe He should spent some Quality Time at County Cricket. Indian Board should have him connected to some English County (with its resources) and he'll be perfectily fine. Zaheer and Srisanth have gained a lot from there.

  • on July 19, 2010, 3:38 GMT

    irfan pathan is good choice then ravindra jadeja.i cant understand why selectors are ignoring him.selectors dont show politics we need india to win world cup

  • Harry0009 on July 19, 2010, 3:32 GMT

    India is definitely found wanting when it comes to fast bowling department. WC will be held in India and unless we have extremely good bowling, the chances look bleak!

  • Alexk400 on July 19, 2010, 3:21 GMT

    1 billion people 1 billion dollar profit , can't find one real fast bowler in the past 15 years. That is BCCI!.

    Incompetency and corruption ==BCCI

  • ratee on July 19, 2010, 3:17 GMT

    India is number one team without the bowling line up to maintain that record for long.

    Also reflects on the standard of cricket of other teams as well, not many great teams or payers right now!

  • on July 19, 2010, 2:40 GMT

    I am a huge fan of Dhoni..He did a lot of good things for Team and still doing very good things..I believe he is one of the best captains but i always wonder why he doesnt like Irfan..I believe captain can tell their opinions in Team selection...Dhoni always look for talented player and help them develop it further..Gives enough opportunity as well..Why not irfan...He has the potential...Please Dhoni n BCCI..select him at least once before the World Cup and let him show his ability..India cant reach any where without a good allrounder..Irfan was in the team that won us the World Cup..He made a decent contribution towards it..Irfan is much better than his brother Yusuf...Yusuf is just hit or miss batsmen..Irfan is a lot better batsmen than Yusuf..Irfan is always ignored and the India team always keep crying that they dont have a good allrounder..Ishant is just a waste..Harbajan can bowl faster than him if he tries.. India - No.1 Test Team in the World without a good fast bowler..

  • on July 19, 2010, 2:31 GMT

    BCCI = Politics

    Someone should kick that sreekanth out of the selection committee...He showing favoritism towards the player that he likes..Irfan should have been in team long ago..Look at his batting and bowling statistics in Last Ranji Season...An average over 50 on batting and more 25 wickets..He is perfect allrounder..BCCI is always discouraging him..If he gets a chance i am sure he will be one of the best all rounders in the world..He has he pottential and he is working really hard..He can bat as well as bowl..He is a swing bowler not an express bowler..If he becomes a express bowler he might not get the wickets..As a swing bowler he gets the wicket..A player who steps up to the requirement of the Team..Everyone is getting chanced but not him..BBCI always blabbers that they dont have a good allrounder..They are not giving opportunity to the Best Fast Bowling Allrounder in India..I really hate this bloody indian politics..Its not just in the governement but also in Cricket...

  • Chatla on July 19, 2010, 2:30 GMT

    Dhoni and Srikkanth should be blamed for this pathetic positon of India and Irfan. India is the no.1 test team, but bowling side we are at no. 10! I agree that our bowlers contributed a lot in reaching no 1 slot... but It's painful to watch lanka's batsmen screwing indian bowlers. If India wanted an allrounder in tests.. y dont u look at IRFAN PATHAN.. we believe still he has some potential.. And other bowlers like Nehra, RP, Praveen etc.. y r they not ready for tests?

  • smudgeon on July 19, 2010, 2:22 GMT

    Wow, Irfan Pathan's bowling isn't considered good enough to be the a first choice allrounder? He's taken 100 wickets in 29 tests, he has a good strike rate and a decent economy rate, and averages 31 with the bat - he has a good record. I have to admit I don't know much about his recent form in domestic cricket or whether he's carrying injuries, but I would think with a record like that should be enough to convince selectors he's worth the effort for his bowling alone. As the article above says, India don't seem to have a lot of other choices for quicks.

  • sanzo5 on July 19, 2010, 2:10 GMT

    sehwag is still a good off spin bowler but still i wonder where in the world is AJIT AGARKAR? HE HAS SCORED AT AN AVERAGE OF 40 IN THE RANJI GAMES LAST SEASON AND ALSO TOOK LOT OF WICKETS AS WELL INCLUDING A 5 FOR IN THE FINAL TO HELP MUMBAI WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP... HE IS THE GUY WHO CAN REPLACE THE EXPERIENCE OF ZAHEER KHAN AND HE HAS MORE PACE THAN ANY YOUNG INDIAN BOWLER... WHY DOES SRIKANTH STILL HOLD A GRUDGE AGAINST A BOWLER WHO CAN SWING THE BALL BOTH WAYS AT AN AVERAGE SPEED OF 141KMPH???? SHAME ON HIM AND DHONI.. THEY IGNORED HIM AFTER JUST ONE BAD SERIES BUT THEY ARE STILL PERSISTING WITH PEOPLE LIKE OHJA. SREESANTH E.T.C... THAT GUY HAS MORE THEN 300 INTERNATIONAL WICKETS UNDER HIS NAME....

  • kingsXI7 on July 19, 2010, 1:08 GMT

    Then if India want a allrounder then y not go with Irfan Pathanor OR Ravindra Jadeja .Ishant Sharma is not doing the job then y not put a new bowlers like Praveen kumar OR Munaf Patel.

  • S.N.Singh on July 18, 2010, 21:12 GMT

    INFAN PATHAN IS THE ONE INDIA SHOULD TAKE THE CHANCE WITH GO WITH THE SIDE SEVEN BATSMEN AND FOUR BOWLERS UNTIL INDIA CAN FIELD A GOOD BOWLING TEAM. MISRA AND CHOWLA ARE BETTER SPINNERS THAN ARE PLAYING WITH HARBHAJAN WITH BACK UP SEHWAG AND YUVRAJ AS BACK UP. OR PLAY SIX BATSMAN INFAN PATHAN, INSHANAT SHARMA. WITH THREE SPINNERS HARBHAGAN, MISHRA AND OJHA. INDIA SELECTORS AND ACADEMY IS NOT DOING A GOOD JOB. GO INTO THE COUNTRY SIDE ( RURAL AREA) AND BRING YOUNG HARD PEOPLE TO THE ACADEMY AND TRAIN THEM. THE ACADAMEY MUST UNDERSTAND THAT YOUNG FAST BOWLERS HAVE TO DO A LOT OF PHYSICAL EXERCISE. BUILDING SPECIFY PART OF THEIR BODY TO SEND DOW HARD AND FAST BALL. S.N.SINGH USA

  • Zahidsaltin on July 18, 2010, 21:11 GMT

    Irfan Pathan is much better bowler than some who are permanent fixture in this team

  • RaviReddy on July 18, 2010, 21:07 GMT

    Agreed, Irphan pathan is the best allrounder in India. But does he fit into the squad ? All the 11 players in side today are better bowlers/batters than Irfan. For him/anyone to be picked, he should have better bowling/batting skills than atlease one in the current squad.

  • Scgboy on July 18, 2010, 20:52 GMT

    hey, the BBCI might be rich , but you can only produce , if you have the talent.it takes time and perseverance to develop good bowler and finicky fans have to be patient and expect a fiver every innings

  • on July 18, 2010, 20:32 GMT

    How is it possible that we cannot produce a single 150K bowler. Suggest we have a nationwide pace hunt where only bowlers over 145K are considered. Come on BCCI make a reality show for that matter and get some genuine fast bowlers who can consistently hit the 150K mark. If we claim to be a top test team then this should be a prerequisite.

    Pace is the answer!

  • on July 18, 2010, 20:31 GMT

    Poor Irfan is waiting and nobody is looking at him. ...did d selectors closed d door for him??he can bowl nd can bat also...dnt forget india also lacks a tail ender,an allrounder nd he is best option available nw...

  • on July 18, 2010, 20:17 GMT

    well where the hell is Irfan Pathan ,Praveen Kumar? Irfan is the best option at present , but dhonism will lead to huge disaster for team india in the near future.Don't know why is Dhoni doing this ? maybe some personal problem with Irfan Pathan. Anyway Dear Dhoni ......selection should be fair.........

  • AsherCA on July 18, 2010, 20:12 GMT

    Kirsten's public comments against Indian bowlers is all that was required as evidence that he is a no-good coach. BCCI if they really cared for Indian cricket should give him a kick on his .... As coach, he has recommended that India go with 4 bowlers, shoring up a talented batting lineup. And then, the bowlers who are weakened are required to deliver & the batsmen who have been supported will be allowed to go scott free. I am foretelling the scores of this test match - Sri Lanka, approx. 500, India - spectacular batting collapse resulting in around 280 runs in the 1st Innings, Sri Lanka about 250 in the 2nd Innings & India 260 or so all out, the talented Indian batting collapses twice, the bowlers get the blame & Sri Lanka, the test match.

  • geminianrahul on July 18, 2010, 20:00 GMT

    Can anyone please temme why Irfan pathan is being ignored so badly??? India misses him a lot, Till Srikanth is the chairman of Indian selection committee, I don't see irfan playing in the XI, c'mon now, don't be so unfair on him, Give him few more chances.

  • ZsZs on July 18, 2010, 19:52 GMT

    I wish India good luck finding good pacers, and let the minnow teams know as well how it was done. That should help Bangladesh and other countries. We wish that you lead by example.

  • on July 18, 2010, 19:23 GMT

    Irfan Pathan shout be in the indian squad, India needs him...

  • vipin.chaudhary2325 on July 18, 2010, 19:20 GMT

    irfan pathan is da best option now, if zaheer is not dere.. he have got 1000 runs and 100 wicket in 29 test matches, what else do u want... Ishant Sharma can only do is to grow hair long and long, Ishant has got 64 wicket in 25matches... dat means if he play 100 test matches, he will only get 256 wickets... come on, u r strike bowler, not a reserve bowler, if u want 14-1-74 runs from ishant, den I think Ajit agarkar can give u similar stats, but he can bat, and hi is brilliant fielder, how can Ishant bowl when his hairs come infront of his eyes, even sachin can swing ball more den ishant

  • on July 18, 2010, 19:03 GMT

    If you need best pace option for next year or so, Ajit Agarkar is the right answer. It was his batting and bowling skills which took Mumbai to Ranji finals and won it last season. Yes, it is bit late for him, may not serve 5 years as coach wants, and his Test record is not much, but he looks like best option after Zaheer Khan at present, and his ODI record is one of the best in era.

  • royalg on July 18, 2010, 18:40 GMT

    this is why india needs a coach who is willing to do all the hardwork himself to find young talent and form players in india such as DAV WHATMORE or GREG CHAPPEL or SOURAV GANGULY these r the men who cud lead india as a coach to a world cup

  • royalg on July 18, 2010, 18:38 GMT

    its the BIGGEST LIE IN THE WORLD TO SAY TAT U CANT FIND AN ALLROUNDER IN INDIA, IS KIRTSEIN AND THE SELECTORS TAT DUM, i mean u hav vinay kumar, praveen kumar, irfan pathan, jaskaran singh i seen him bat in the india A tour and he scored 2 fities and hit sum big sixes, also pradeep sangawan, dhawal kulkarni. if u give these guys the rite coaching anf help they wud be brillaint allrounders or atleast they can do the job wat zaheer and bhaj does with the bat. laxman fielding today was the biggest joke in the world, there r sooo many players better than him to bat at NO 5 espcially pujara or rohit sharma

  • Tracer_Bullet on July 18, 2010, 18:14 GMT

    Time now for Pakistan to send some replacements as SA does for England.

  • SaravananMani on July 18, 2010, 18:13 GMT

    India need some aggressive face bowlers with winning spirit,otherwise India will lost the NO 1 spot in icc test rankings

  • true_cricket_fan on July 18, 2010, 18:08 GMT

    We have a genuine batsman who bowls quality medium pace in Abhishek Nayar. I don't understand why he has not been given any chances. @ Ahmad Bin Saleh: Dude, when you blame anyone, you should back up your theory with reasonable statements. God only knows what "Dhonism" means and what do you mean by "finishing the dhonism". Irfan was a good quality bowler but Dhoni has nothing to do with playing with his career.

  • AnotherCricketFan on July 18, 2010, 18:01 GMT

    One of the problems is IPL. Most of these bowlers are looking for good endorsements - thus they are not playing with their heart and soul but with their eyes locked on $$$$. It is okay to give a mediocre performance but have a central contract and millions in the bank with good sponsors and endorsements. IMHO, Irfan fell for that and lost his love for bowling, same is with Sreesanth and Zaheer. When one gets paid $500k for 8 weeks of work bowling 4 overs a game why bother training and being fit for a five day game or even 10 overs where the $$$$ are not enticing. If one gets injured by stretching themselves in a Test or OneDay or Ranji or County the IPL franchises are not going to write a complete check. Yuvaraj did the same stint. It is time to rethink their commitment to cricket.

  • on July 18, 2010, 17:20 GMT

    all you need is pace to take wickets on flat tracks or reverse swing and at the moment best side in the world missing these two aspects of bowling department and hence struggling to get 20 wickets .

  • on July 18, 2010, 17:09 GMT

    Dhoni should start thinking now that he needs medium pacers and fast bowlers. Poor Irfan is waiting and nobody is looking at him. He was at no,5 in Icc allrounders ranking for years and suuddenly his career is finished. dhoni and srikanth is responsible for this. Now we all should support Irfan to get him back in the team.Dhonism should be finished.

  • budugu2 on July 18, 2010, 17:08 GMT

    They should have picked Irfan Pathan in the first place as an all-rounder. He is the best all-rounder available at the present situation and is working hard nowadays to generate more pace in his bowling. He deserves to be in the team.

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on July 18, 2010, 17:08 GMT

    I think Ind missed a trick with Sehwag. I do think he could have developed into a decent off-spinning all-rounder had he been groomed. Maybe he wouldn't be too effective on flat or grass pitches but he does look like he would cause probs in the right conditions.

  • nk_sharma on July 18, 2010, 17:04 GMT

    As it is obvious that swing bowling is more useful than core fast bowling, why Indian selectors are are selecting Ishant Sharma again and again. They have choices e.g. Praveen Kumar, Irfan Pathan, R.P.Singh, Balaji. Why Agarkar has been cornered. He was instrumental in Mumbai's Ranji Trophy Trimphh. He gets swing with both new and old balls. Why some bowlers like Dhawal Kulkarni, Shidharth Trivedi are not being given a single chance at international stage?????

  • thenkabail on July 18, 2010, 17:02 GMT

    Vision from selectors urgently needs: If selectors have some vision and care about Indian cricket, they will look for real talent. Currently the best young talent in India: Spinners: Harmeet singh (18 yr mumbai kid), Iqbal Abdulla, Murali Karthik, Romesh Pawar, Piyush Chawla.Fast bowlers: Jaidev Unakdat, Dhawal Kulkarni, Vinay Kumar, Praveen Kumar. How come none of these are in team even after injuries to Sreeshanth and Zaheer?. Selectors need vision and Srikanth and his team lack it. It reminds me of Srikanth's batting- poor quality hit and miss. Similarly, not selecting Cheteswar Pujara and Rohit Sharma shows the low quality of Indian selectors. They require vision to select someone like Harmeet Singh. Also, coach and captain need to groom someone like Mithun. He may not have got wickets, but he needs few tricks like being fierce, bowling good bowcers, attacking body line- bring fear in batsmen.....it makes the bowler in other end take wickets too.

  • on July 18, 2010, 17:01 GMT

    all over the world now most of the pitches are flat so just throw in guys like umesh yadav because these line and length bowlers cant do much on these flat tracks except few reverse swing specialists like zaheer.stop giving ishaant more and more opportunities and let him get back his pace..nowadays bowler who could bow 145 or plus is must for every team like malinga in SL,aamer in Pak,aussies got many,steyn in SA,edwards in WI and broad in Eng.so give chance to guys who can bowl 140+..

  • mysecretme on July 18, 2010, 16:59 GMT

    If there is anybody to blame for this predicament, its the team management. They took great new ball swing bowlers like Ishant and Irfan and converted them to trundlers bowling leg-cutters. These two were one of a kind, guys who could get you wickets with the new ball. What was the necissity in bringing Irfan first change when he was doing a bang-up job opening the bowling? Then they over worked Ishant and killed his pace. Now he is marginally faster than harbhajan and gets a bit more bounce than murali. Currently, they have a guy who can hold one end up in Munaf, but they had to put both green horns Ishant and Tyagi in so that their confidence can be killed off. Kirsten should not be complaining. He should be setting things right instead of being a crybaby.

  • ian_ghose on July 18, 2010, 16:51 GMT

    Hehehhe...looks like Gaza over there is quietly trying to hint that its time to call quits. And who can blame him? The circus thats the BCCI (second only to PCB), with all the money in its coffers has done absolutely zilch to ensure that bowlers, especially fast bowlers come through. Sometimes I wonder if the average Indian cricketer fan is as intelligent as a picnic basket, who goes after critics of the Indian team and BCCI as a rabid dog, instead of asking questions to the BCCI as to how it puts the money in the development of the game? How about facilities for spectators? How about implementing the UDRS?

  • deepakjm on July 18, 2010, 16:50 GMT

    What is world's richest cricket board doing about this problem ??............Nothing. Busy counting their money. As long as these selcetors dont think about indian cricket seriously this problem will be there forever.

  • rsurya on July 18, 2010, 16:45 GMT

    Irfan pathan is a little bit light on his bowling side. Ishanth sharma does it very well, we are very good in having HOPE. An ordinary street bowler can bowl like Ishanth in any day. fast bowlers should bowl with an action threatening the batsman but our bowlers has a very pleasant action, the batsman may sleep seeing it. A team with Ishanth leading the bowling attack is No one in the world, fun. Alrounder place will be soon filled up by worlds greatest Jadeja and Irfan may play in his dream. If irfan was born in Australia he would have excelled but .....

  • manasvi_lingam on July 18, 2010, 16:42 GMT

    Bad planning from the BCCI for the umpteenth time. In the 'A' tour, apart from Kulkarni there wasn't even one bowler who deserved to be there. Where was RP, Praveen, Munaf, Sree, Ishant, Nehra, etc? And most importantly where was Irfan? Everytime one looks the Cricinfo discussions the amount of calls for him are very large in number. But, Kirsten called him a "bit light on the bowling side" which is ridiculous. Irfan can certainly pick more than 1 wicket every 5 matches as Kirsten speaks of a batting all-rounders. In fact, he is a bowling allrounder and if anything is weak on the batting side. He was certainly good enough to make it to the team as a bowler. Given Dhoni's ability as a batsman and Yuvraj's lack of ability, it would be better to substitute him with Irfan.

  • on July 18, 2010, 16:33 GMT

    india they bring irfan ,praveen kumar all new bowlers playing dhoni can do every thing this 1st still 4days to come wait and see

  • trueanalyst on July 18, 2010, 16:32 GMT

    What makes the selectors think Praveen kumar is a specialist one day bowler.He has taken 166 first class wickets in 37 matches at an average of 23.16,the best of Indian bowlers.Compare this with sreesanth whose first class average is 32 & Ishant 28. Earlier they thought Sehwag is a specialist one day batsman & delayed his test debut by 2 years.Sehwag averaged 56 in first class whilst he was being considered specialist one day batsman.Just check out Praveen's bowling in Australia ,how effective he was as an opening bowler in Australia.

  • Vishal_Warriors on July 18, 2010, 16:31 GMT

    As stated by Kirsten india is still in search of perfect all rounder , the Hunt is going on for years now and no has looked promising. Hard to digest that we are still of an all rounder in a country like India which has loads of talent.

    In the Pace Departement Ishant Munaf all started there career Bowling at more than 140 Km/h but both have slowed down to control there bowling. Sad to know that no bowler is able to maintain the pace attack , Who ever are the new comers are really not looking for Pace which makes a great impact in bowling. Bowling weak link will be surely exposed in this test series and lets c what indian team will do to have a perfect combination of bowling attack for the coming years.

  • thenkabail on July 18, 2010, 16:31 GMT

    Visionless selectors: Gary is right on the ball. Thanks Gary for highlighting this. A country of a billion plus can not produce proper bowlers!!. I blame the selectors, coach, and captain for this- mainly visionless selectors. Mithun is a talent to be persisted with. He should be asked to bowl real fast and scare the batsman. He is likely to take odd wickets till he matures to bowl like Melchom Marshall (with an attitude, fierce fast, mixed with excellent bowcers, and attack batsman from round the wicket body line). But then one needs atleast 3 other bowlers who can take wickets!!. Selectors need vision to get someone like Jaidev Unakdat. There is also a need for bowling alrounder. But Gary is right, selection options are limited with bowlers not coming through. Also, in spinning department it is still worse. Here I blame the visionless selectors who never gave anyone a ride. If they cntinue this way, when our batting giants retire, we may face same problem in batting (where is Pujara?

  • Alkais on July 18, 2010, 16:23 GMT

    Even though we have good pool of fastbowlers, most of them were injured. If not they are not managed well. Take Example of Irfan Pathan, when he lost his place in the team,he was not taken care of. He should have been nurtured by BCCI, but that was not done. When everybody knews Munaf Patel can bowl really fast he was not nutured well. This happens only in India. If this was the case in Other Cricketing nation then they would have been taken care. Take the case of Shane Watson, he was injured, but he was taken care of during injury period. MUnaf Patel should have been taken care of as he is an asset as he can bowl above 140ks. But nobody did. BCCI has to take the blame. And on top of that Board is not takng the help of retired cricketers, especially fastbowlers like Kapil and Manoj Prabhakar. Board has its own ego. The experience of Kapil should have been used by the board just like pakistan using services of wasim and waqar. But BCCI wont do. Eggggooooooooo

  • crazytaurean on July 18, 2010, 16:18 GMT

    India does have talent. Its only a question of them coming good. Well I can empathise with you Mr Kirsten. Look at Srilanka, Australia, South Africa and Pakistan. They have had good new talents in their wings who look good for the next 5 years. India is weak in the bowling department. As far as the long term thing goes, we need to blood and nurture raw talents. Lets take some risks. The sooner the better.

  • Shamp on July 18, 2010, 16:14 GMT

    Ishant should only be used to play test series and one days overseas. IPL is no good for these specialist bowlders.

  • on July 18, 2010, 16:03 GMT

    It is disappointing to see so many promising fast bowlers fall out of their way after a few matches.. Who can forget the firs-over hat trick taken by irfan pathan against pakistan in 2006? Or the fiery spell bowled by sreesanth against SA in 2007 in the first test match? Or the spearhead act by RP Singh at the world t20 of 2007? Or even ishant sharma giving hayden and ponting headaches down under? There is talent but no conservation.. Imagine an Indian team with the above bowlers at their best plus Zak and Bhajji? Fearsome, no?

  • on July 18, 2010, 16:01 GMT

    strange that we are the No 1 test team despite having a weak seam attack. it means only one thing: we can win only on our dust bowls with the help of harbhajan and the other spinner after piling on 600 plus totals. that we have around fifteen seamers in the country speaks as much about the weakness of our bench as its strength. test series' in south africa and australia will be a different story and our attack will seriously be found wanting in the seam bowling department. zaheer needs to get fit and do it fast. dhoni needs to use his seamers smartly so that they deliver their 20th over with the same vigour as their first. think it is time to respect irfan pathan's role here. fair bit of blame for his state today needs to be apportioned to the board for trying to make him an allrounder when trapping right handers in front of the wicket and catching lefties behind it was his area of expertise.

  • on July 18, 2010, 16:01 GMT

    there so many fast bowlers in India. They just need better traning facilities

  • on July 18, 2010, 15:46 GMT

    "I would like the guys to have as much game time as possible. Wherever they get an opportunity to play quality cricket they must play."

    Far too polite! The Selectors seriously missed a trick by not sending some frontline pacemen on the A tour where they would have got some relatively intensive match practice against near-international opposition. Instead guys like Jaskaran- who, with all due respect, will never play for India- went along. Shambles, and very poor planning.

    Bowling in seam friendly conditions without much pressure would have helped Ishant and Sree. The A team seam attack should have been those two, Irfan and RP Singh. With Mithun and Tyagi on the bench to come in for games where the main men could have been rested.

    We know there are a handful of guys can perform in test cricket and we should stick with them, give them opportunities to prove themselves and get back into rhythm

    Similarly, Munaf should have gone on the tour to Zimbabwe at least!

  • maddy20 on July 18, 2010, 15:44 GMT

    It puzzles me why they did not pick praveen kumar ahead of Ishant Sharma. May be to help him get his confidence back, but this is a prestige issue and we can't let the Lankans win this one especially after all the heckling about India not accepting UDRS.

  • on July 18, 2010, 15:43 GMT

    Zaheer is a waste so is Nehra...Sreesanth has talent but has attitude problems so does RP Singh and Praveen...Irfan is a good choice but Cheeka has no confidence in him....Tyagi has been tried...Munaf is more of a spinner than a Pace bowler,Dinda is not yet international class..Umesh Yadav has pace but no line and length...Ishanth has lost confidence .Vinay has fitness problems..Mithun needs to improve...Trivedi needs a look in but he lacks pace..Jaidev has to play more first class cricket and also has to check his attitude...Pankaj Singh needs a chance...so else ..Indian Pace problem will remain forever...

  • bobagorof on July 18, 2010, 15:37 GMT

    Interesting that Kirsten mentions Irfan as a batting all-rounder who is a little light on the bowling (which to me is 'a batsman who bowls a bit'), considering he first made it into the team as a bowler. In fact, it appeared that his troubles started when someone told him to focus on his batting - which I always found strange as India have always had plenty of batsmen but too few pace bowlers. But really I don't understand the obsession with all-rounders - if you have a quality one, great: they add a lot to the side. But neither the West Indies of 79's-80's or Australia of 90's-00's had a proper all-rounder and they still dominated, mostly using 4 high quality bowlers, 6 batsmen and the keeper (not keeper-batsman, until Gilchrist). So from that point of view, India should focus on their pace attack and forget about trying to make an all-rounder out of someone who isn't.

  • on July 18, 2010, 15:33 GMT

    Gary,

    You can try as hard as you want but the mental make up for a fast bowler is the place to work on, NOT the technique. No amount of work in developing "fast" effective bowlers has succeeded in India over three decades, because every single coach has concentrated on technique, not mental training! When will you see the writing on the wall?

    I am a "Mind Coach" using ontology (look it up) and have been crying hoarse that India will remain stagnant in this area unless we understand mental coaching - not psychiatry or "sports psychology" as you know it will help.

    This is one time I hate saying "I said so", since I am an ardent cricket fan, and an Indian.

  • on July 18, 2010, 15:20 GMT

    Irfan Pathan NEEDS to get into both the Test and ODI team as the 7.

    TESTS: Gambhir, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Dhoni, Irfan, bowlers...

    ODIS: Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Raina, Dhoni, Yuvraj, Irfan, bowlers...

  • on July 18, 2010, 14:55 GMT

    India need to start managing the inventory well. Ishant, Sreesanth, Irfan, Zaheer, Praveen, etc need to be maturely coached and trained including discipline and fitness.

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  • on July 18, 2010, 14:55 GMT

    India need to start managing the inventory well. Ishant, Sreesanth, Irfan, Zaheer, Praveen, etc need to be maturely coached and trained including discipline and fitness.

  • on July 18, 2010, 15:20 GMT

    Irfan Pathan NEEDS to get into both the Test and ODI team as the 7.

    TESTS: Gambhir, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Dhoni, Irfan, bowlers...

    ODIS: Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Raina, Dhoni, Yuvraj, Irfan, bowlers...

  • on July 18, 2010, 15:33 GMT

    Gary,

    You can try as hard as you want but the mental make up for a fast bowler is the place to work on, NOT the technique. No amount of work in developing "fast" effective bowlers has succeeded in India over three decades, because every single coach has concentrated on technique, not mental training! When will you see the writing on the wall?

    I am a "Mind Coach" using ontology (look it up) and have been crying hoarse that India will remain stagnant in this area unless we understand mental coaching - not psychiatry or "sports psychology" as you know it will help.

    This is one time I hate saying "I said so", since I am an ardent cricket fan, and an Indian.

  • bobagorof on July 18, 2010, 15:37 GMT

    Interesting that Kirsten mentions Irfan as a batting all-rounder who is a little light on the bowling (which to me is 'a batsman who bowls a bit'), considering he first made it into the team as a bowler. In fact, it appeared that his troubles started when someone told him to focus on his batting - which I always found strange as India have always had plenty of batsmen but too few pace bowlers. But really I don't understand the obsession with all-rounders - if you have a quality one, great: they add a lot to the side. But neither the West Indies of 79's-80's or Australia of 90's-00's had a proper all-rounder and they still dominated, mostly using 4 high quality bowlers, 6 batsmen and the keeper (not keeper-batsman, until Gilchrist). So from that point of view, India should focus on their pace attack and forget about trying to make an all-rounder out of someone who isn't.

  • on July 18, 2010, 15:43 GMT

    Zaheer is a waste so is Nehra...Sreesanth has talent but has attitude problems so does RP Singh and Praveen...Irfan is a good choice but Cheeka has no confidence in him....Tyagi has been tried...Munaf is more of a spinner than a Pace bowler,Dinda is not yet international class..Umesh Yadav has pace but no line and length...Ishanth has lost confidence .Vinay has fitness problems..Mithun needs to improve...Trivedi needs a look in but he lacks pace..Jaidev has to play more first class cricket and also has to check his attitude...Pankaj Singh needs a chance...so else ..Indian Pace problem will remain forever...

  • maddy20 on July 18, 2010, 15:44 GMT

    It puzzles me why they did not pick praveen kumar ahead of Ishant Sharma. May be to help him get his confidence back, but this is a prestige issue and we can't let the Lankans win this one especially after all the heckling about India not accepting UDRS.

  • on July 18, 2010, 15:46 GMT

    "I would like the guys to have as much game time as possible. Wherever they get an opportunity to play quality cricket they must play."

    Far too polite! The Selectors seriously missed a trick by not sending some frontline pacemen on the A tour where they would have got some relatively intensive match practice against near-international opposition. Instead guys like Jaskaran- who, with all due respect, will never play for India- went along. Shambles, and very poor planning.

    Bowling in seam friendly conditions without much pressure would have helped Ishant and Sree. The A team seam attack should have been those two, Irfan and RP Singh. With Mithun and Tyagi on the bench to come in for games where the main men could have been rested.

    We know there are a handful of guys can perform in test cricket and we should stick with them, give them opportunities to prove themselves and get back into rhythm

    Similarly, Munaf should have gone on the tour to Zimbabwe at least!

  • on July 18, 2010, 16:01 GMT

    there so many fast bowlers in India. They just need better traning facilities

  • on July 18, 2010, 16:01 GMT

    strange that we are the No 1 test team despite having a weak seam attack. it means only one thing: we can win only on our dust bowls with the help of harbhajan and the other spinner after piling on 600 plus totals. that we have around fifteen seamers in the country speaks as much about the weakness of our bench as its strength. test series' in south africa and australia will be a different story and our attack will seriously be found wanting in the seam bowling department. zaheer needs to get fit and do it fast. dhoni needs to use his seamers smartly so that they deliver their 20th over with the same vigour as their first. think it is time to respect irfan pathan's role here. fair bit of blame for his state today needs to be apportioned to the board for trying to make him an allrounder when trapping right handers in front of the wicket and catching lefties behind it was his area of expertise.

  • on July 18, 2010, 16:03 GMT

    It is disappointing to see so many promising fast bowlers fall out of their way after a few matches.. Who can forget the firs-over hat trick taken by irfan pathan against pakistan in 2006? Or the fiery spell bowled by sreesanth against SA in 2007 in the first test match? Or the spearhead act by RP Singh at the world t20 of 2007? Or even ishant sharma giving hayden and ponting headaches down under? There is talent but no conservation.. Imagine an Indian team with the above bowlers at their best plus Zak and Bhajji? Fearsome, no?