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Sangakkara questions ICC Test rankings

Sidharth Monga in Galle

July 23, 2010

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Kumar Sangakkara, Sri Lanka's captain, has questioned the way the ICC Test rankings work. He was responding to a query whether the players take seriously a system that has India at No. 1 despite not having won a series in Australia, South Africa and Sri Lanka since 1993, and whether that system needs a change.

"You should have asked that question of Haroon [Lorgat, ICC's CEO], who was here a while ago…" Sangakkara said. "If rankings can't be understood by the public, the players, or the administrators, what's the use of having rankings? If you want rankings, they should count towards playing a Test championship.

"Rankings need to be fairly done. A fair FTP is the first step towards having proper rankings. Once every two years each side should play each other at least once, home or away. That's how you get a fair deal when it comes to Test cricket."

Sri Lanka themselves were ranked No. 2 last year without having won a Test in India, Australia and South Africa, a spot they lost after their loss to India in India. About his own side's dismal record in the three countries ranked higher than them, Sangakkara said, "I don't think we have played enough Test cricket away. Two Test matches here, two Test matches there. I think that's not good. We need to play Tests regularly.

"We have a very good balanced attack, pace and spin. From 2006 to 2009 we have done well. We have won in New Zealand, in England, and in Pakistan. South Africa, Australia and India are the three places that we need to win. We need to play often in those places."

The Test rankings, as they stand now, don't give extra weightage to victories away from home, and run over a time of three years, including "all Test series completed since August more than three years ago". The rating points earned or conceded are calculated based on the difference between where the teams stood before the start of the series. For example, if in the ongoing series India beat Sri Lanka, they will gain fewer points than they will concede if they lose the series. Same goes for Australia, who are facing a much lower-ranked Pakistan. Even if Australia end the series 1-1, they will concede three rating points.

The system, though, stands to work well only if the FTP works evenly. For example, if a side spends a year playing only home series, and uses the home advantage to win series against competitive sides, its rating points will tend to misrepresent the strength and quality of the team.

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Posted by SLfan on (July 30, 2010, 2:30 GMT)

@ mattress - When a person is genious enough to understand flaws in something, why should he keep silent ? Normally well educated people like Sangakkara don't keep silent in these kind of matters. That's how he normally behaves & never afraid to talk the truth against anyone....He's a class player & remains no.2 in ICC Test rankings consistently...Yeah, I can understand that when some people compare their captain with Sangakkara, sometimes they may get frustrate. Don't get upset, that's the life. Everyone is not equally talented and educated & we have to accept that.... Cheers !

Posted by   on (July 29, 2010, 21:52 GMT)

ONE THING WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO ASK EVERY1 INCLUDING THE CRICINFO...WHY PLAYING OUTSIDE SUB CONTINENT IS BEING MARKED AS THE BENCHMARK?

IF PLAYING IN GREEN AND FAST PITCH IS THE BENCHMARK FOR QUALITY AND RANKING THEN PLS DONT HAVE ANY TEST MATCHES IN SUB CONTINENT.

IF SUB CONTINENT TEAMS ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN FAST PITCHES ARE THE TEAM FROM DOWN UNDER AND SA AND OTHER PARTS HAVE BEEN REGULARLY SUCCESSFUL IN ASIA?

DON'T SEPARATE SPIN FROM FAST BOWLING, THEY BOTH ARE THE PARTS OF CRICKET.

ALSO, I BELIEVE THERE SHUD BE A PROPER SYSTEM WHERE IN ALL TEAMS SHOULD PLAY EQUAL NO. OF TEST MATCHES AGAINST EACH OTHER IN HOME AND AWAY SERIES TO DETERMINE WHO IS THE BEST......AND SPREAD IT IN A 4 YEAR CALENDAR.

AND HAVE MERCY ON US BCCI AND SLC.....WE NO MORE WANT INDIA VS SL MATCHES FOR NEXT 2 YEARS, IF POSSIBLE NOT EVEN A GULLY CRICKET OR IN WC 2011.

THANKS

Posted by yeshwanth007 on (July 29, 2010, 16:59 GMT)

reply to PRAKRAMA MARALANDA and WickRAMSINGHE :The entire records of all the srilankan players puttogether cannot match the records of SACHIN TENDULKAR.don`t even dream to compare sangakkara with sachin,dravid and sehwag

Posted by mattress on (July 29, 2010, 16:26 GMT)

sankaggara is a worst captain, he is questioning the icc, the main board of cricket. he is not a genious defeating india in 1st test match means to get a no. 1 position. good luck team india.

Posted by Rogue777 on (July 29, 2010, 3:44 GMT)

Wow so many Indians have just read the topic and not the articles. The other who read the article dont seem to understand it. They have such fragile egos they have interpreted this article as anti-Indian because Sanga use them to highlight is much bigger point. Sanga's point IS NOT Indian do not deserve to be number 1 and Srl does. Sanga's point IS Srl and India both do not deserve such high ranks as they have not done well overall. He further goes to say that FTP should make sure every country is given the SAME chance the SAME number of tests! That is the only way a ranking system can be FAIR! West Indies, Pakistha, Ind all play 4 or 5 test series against SA, Eng and Aus! WHY DO THEY NEVER GIVE SRI LANKA A 4 OR 5 TEST SERIES!

Posted by fazil0412 on (July 29, 2010, 3:32 GMT)

@ Ashish.iitkgp, nice joking

Posted by hari_rocks on (July 28, 2010, 16:19 GMT)

hi i am basically from india and even i accept sanga's words........ moreover india dont deserve the no.1 spot in ICC test rankings they r not fit to be no.1 with bowlers like ishant sharma, ojha etc..... ICC should rethink

Posted by lords_cricket on (July 28, 2010, 15:33 GMT)

Parakrama Maralanda if india not backed Malinga, this time there is no malinga in the ground, he have been kicked of because of his action, and how many 100 and 200 sankkara scored away from Srilanka? what is the ratio compare to other player? how many one day and test srilanka have won away from Srilanka? funny is it ? first beat auz in auz and talk about the ranking

Posted by Ashish.iitkgp on (July 28, 2010, 12:32 GMT)

First of all Mr. Sangakkara, beating India in ur own home in the first match doesn't mean that u r geniuos. Second, India didn't win series in Australia, South Africa, but other teams too didn't performed so well outside thr own country. Third, first see ur team's record.Forget about the Series, You didn't won even a single game in India ever. Don't give silly reasons that you didn't got much matches to play in India. If thats the case, then We too can give a reason that you won a critical toss in first Match and batted first. If it would have been India, then you would have lost like anything. So, first see urself, then think of putting questions on other eams. By the way, for ur kind information, in the Rating Slab, difference between the number of matches played between u and India is just 7 matches. India played 38, You played 31. So, think twice before saying.

Posted by poderdubdubdub on (July 28, 2010, 12:04 GMT)

Pakistan is a country which has played the least number of test matches, even lesser than Bangladesh, including a whole year when they played not a single test match. How can you determine the real status of the Pakistan team's strength, so their ranking is not real. India, SA, and Australia play more test matches than any other team and hence these three teams are on the top.

Posted by diri on (July 28, 2010, 10:43 GMT)

who thinks India will be able to beat Sa later on this year? i think they have got no chance in this world. what a poor bowling line up. how can they beat Sa?

Posted by Ali_Chaudhary on (July 28, 2010, 8:05 GMT)

Look who is talking! Mr. Whingakara please don´t forget that India ist the 2nd best team overseas in recent 4 years only behind to South Africa. Where does Lankan stand??? In last 4 years (excluding Bangladesh) they have won only 2 away tests. One against West Indies and other against New Zeeland and we all know that they both are not good Test playing nations. Suppose if Your team wins 2-0 against India. You will be ranked no. 1 in ICC ranking and that´s only because of your home record. Going by your logic your team doesn´t deserve the no.1 ranking even if you defeat India (God forbid) beacuse your team hasn´t won a single series (excluding Bangladesh) overseas and not a single Test against Pakistan, India, Australia and South Africa. As long as I remember your Tigers didn´t even won a single session agaianst Aussies or Saffies away. Or did you?? Go and find out !!! BTW if you do want to play overseas please don´t blame ICC and just contact Mr. Somachandra De Silva.

Posted by Sportsscientist on (July 27, 2010, 22:21 GMT)

we know what the answer is.....don't we???? we know that the FTP is a joke.....that's not even funny. but nobody really wants to organise a proper test championship, so we will continue to rotate like a shane warne mystery ball, and blindly dance around the real issue. I find it crazy that once this topic came up, over 300 comments were placed.......more than any other on cricinfo. if the ICC see nothing else, then they should see that. Imagine...... chappell's Aussies dominated cricket in the early and mid 70's.....nothing to show for their achievements.......20yrs from now everyone will for get Clive Lloyd's team beat every test side out of sight.....but the 50 over ODI winners, and world T20 winners are recognised and immortalised???? crazy!!!! just shows you how clever and organised the ICC really are

Posted by svinodmenon on (July 27, 2010, 20:12 GMT)

the rankings are fair enough to pick the no 1 team. India has become the no 1 test team for the first time. It is not because they played outstandingly well, the reason is that SA and Australia were not doing good. Please please do not compare SL with India Aus & SA. SL is very far behind these teams. They have quality players, but not when playing away. Compare to other lower ranked teams in any format of cricket Sl has the worst record aussies when playing away. To be frank they never won a test match not series a single match in india australia south africa. However they have won 1 match each with NZ, Eng and WI. lol

Posted by   on (July 27, 2010, 20:03 GMT)

Sri Lanka is Small country not like india or other big country but srilanka have talented players not like india look at most of indian players they just like a club players ex:saheer khan he just like a kid, if you compare with lasith maling who is the best player ?? exactly lasith malinga(age 26) who has world record, saherr khan no any records, chek this link can u find any indian world records http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Test_cricket_records this s the truth thankx

Posted by   on (July 27, 2010, 14:49 GMT)

Im really stunned at the comprehension skills of most of my indian friends that read this article. What is Sangakkara saying?? Dudes, just get rid of ur prejudiced frame of mind and try to comprehend the article. Sanga is not saying that india doesnt deserve number 1. What he merely points out is no team cannot reach number 1 without playing enough cricket with all oppositions and he is alluding about his team which is deprived of playing matches in greener pastures.

Posted by   on (July 27, 2010, 13:43 GMT)

@ SHAH SAHISNU

First of all before saying Sangakkara is small in front of sehwag and laxman compare their records with respect to following criteria giving priority to to the following criteria 1.Won Match Average 2.Away Average 3.4th innings averages 4.Averages in AUS,SA,NZ & ENGland 5.Weighted moving averages with respect to the ratings of oppositions 6.Number of lone hand innings without the support of team members and finally with the least priority to the overall average.

If you are not a primary kid you would realize that sangakkara is only second to great sachin tendulkar .Sehwag and Laxman are nowhere near him. Make sure you do an objective analysis by yourself before reaching a conclusion based on subjective opinions.

Posted by Lakmalnj on (July 27, 2010, 12:16 GMT)

Hello Mr. shobhit,

U r wrong. Seems like you r not aware about why SL not playing ouside the subcontinent. Aus, SA and WI doesn't give enough chances to SL. That what they didn't have enough chance to win in those places. See test batsman ranking

Posted by   on (July 27, 2010, 8:36 GMT)

haha so funny... look who is talking about rankings.... indian subcontinent teams shdn't even go there.... really its a rubbish system to rank teams like india and srilanka who have dismal record away from home higher than other teams... but one thing we shd be agreed upon is that its useless to have two test series... its of no consequence.... all major test playing nations shd have 3 test series against each other in atleast once a year...

Posted by shobhit2983 on (July 27, 2010, 4:29 GMT)

Sangakkara is absolutely wrong. How can he compare his team to the India team. If u look at his top batsmen and top bowlers, all of them have just excelled in srilanka only. Around 80% of there stats are made while playing in srilanka only. they cant do anything outside Srilanka. India has atleast won test matches in Australia, SA & SL in the last 15 years, srilanka has never won any single test match in these countries since there entry in test cricket, the simple reason is there players cant perform outside srilanka. why they never go out to play, they always play test cricket in srilanka only. So Mr. Sanga first go out of home to atleast play, then try to win, then if by chance win, then speak....

Posted by   on (July 27, 2010, 4:20 GMT)

I think Sangakarra hs a point. The Indians definetly dont deserve the number one status at this point maybe a couple of years ago. PLus a fair FTP is crucial for a proper indication of how everyone rates. If some teams play 30 matches a year compared to others playing 5-10 what sort of ratng is everyone expecting.

Posted by SLfan on (July 27, 2010, 1:20 GMT)

@ Shah Sahishnu - This article is not for compare Sanga with your top 3 batsmen. ryt ? This is regarding how fair FTP system affects the Test Rankings !.....You people had criticized Sanga for so long, for something he had not talked. Where has he questioned the no.1 rank of India ??? He is just asking ICC to give fair chances to all the countries & then calculate the rankings. What's wrong with that ?.....Don't hate towards Sri Lankans for having Sanga as the skipper. What can we do ? We are just lucky to have an educated & a proper test batsman as our skipper. Cheers !!!

Posted by _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on (July 26, 2010, 22:02 GMT)

@Shah Sahisnu, In what way is Sanga inferior to VVS? It is ridiculously "one-eyed" over emotional comments like yours that are deviating away from the topic. Read the article properly! Stop sending down random insults just because u don't agree or catch the drift of the article man. This is exactly what myself and many other fans here are talking about. Lets have a good, intellectual debate on the topic for a change.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2010, 15:15 GMT)

this rubbish guy just won one match against India and thinking he is king... till he is so small in front of Indian top 3 batsman- Sachin sehwag and Laxman.... no way sanga u keep asking ICC not mad that they give 1st rank ok.....

Posted by WajiraB on (July 26, 2010, 12:28 GMT)

what snaga has said is true. test matches should be distributed fairly to judge the capabilities of teams and rank them. @ashish514- dear friend cna u tell me any more reaosn why indis deservs better place than Sri Lanka. lookat the childish bowling attach. even with full powerd bowling attack i do not think india will be able to take 20 wickts. India has the strongest batting middle top/ middle order. but not all are performing and fielding it very very very low. at current tema strenghts Sri lanka is much much better than india with (Zahir and maling back in teams.) in current scenario i do not think any team stand out as the top teem and no team will be there for a long time as ausis did. al top 5-6 teams are same in strenght, may be ausis are less compared to others

Posted by   on (July 26, 2010, 11:22 GMT)

India in ICC is same like USA in UNO. Whatever, India want ICC will do it.

Posted by ashish514 on (July 26, 2010, 10:57 GMT)

Sanga can't complain about not playing enough with India both home and away. In last five years SL played 6 tests in India and 4 at home against India. India has won 1 and lost 3 in SL and won 4 and lost 0 at home. Thus at least India deserves a better place then SL. And if SL can't win a test in India in 5 yrs, where the conditions are not drastically different then home, how can they win in SA and Aus??? India have fared well in Aus with a hard fought series and at home they have defeated Aus more convincingly then what Aus could at their home. Only with SA have India had real problems and that to at SA's home. In the current series India is short of Zaheer and Sreesanth, adding that to poor performance of batsmen in one game has given Sanga something to chirp on.

Posted by rjPrz on (July 26, 2010, 10:37 GMT)

India should drop all the bowlers and replace them with good batsmen who can bowl(not need to be a good bowler). Then they can hope that the other team cannot all out them 2 times withing five days. This is the only way to prevent defeat.

Posted by Shen_Mark on (July 26, 2010, 7:02 GMT)

Many of the comments here don't make any sense. Its not about India being no.1, its about the system itself. have a fair system and India might still be at the top, with a good deal to the fan who want to watch quality test cricket and not just two teams playing all the time.

Posted by makhwesa on (July 26, 2010, 6:11 GMT)

rubbish, Sangakara must concentrate on his game, india has done wel in the last 3 years n deserv 2 b ranked no. 1!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (July 26, 2010, 6:07 GMT)

m totally agreed with Mr. Sangakara......

Posted by roboo on (July 26, 2010, 5:54 GMT)

Sanga you are correct , ICC should not consider the matches happening in srilanka for ratings , because if u won the toos then you arround the 60 % of the match. In day night matches if u bat second no body knows how much light u will get to play. Srilanka won the most of the matches because of luck.

Posted by   on (July 26, 2010, 3:50 GMT)

If the FTP is not 'democratic', you cannot expect a fair ranking!

Posted by   on (July 26, 2010, 1:37 GMT)

Any other victim of Indian power!! Sangakkara, have gone on bad side of india and watch him getting bad publicity for a while until he comments something good about india again. Indians have brought politics into game of cricket which is one of the worse thing you can imagine in any sport. Very soon cricket;s popularity will be its lowest ever because all we will have is indians playing cricket and rest will be just watching it.

Posted by diri on (July 25, 2010, 14:50 GMT)

Sanga is correct. there is no way India can be the best team in the world. They cant even take 20 wickets in a match!!!! for me the best team right now is South Africa. Good balance in that team to win anywhere in the world. Including the sub continent. Dale steyn reverse swinging 150kph yorkers are deadly

Posted by sanjudil on (July 25, 2010, 13:11 GMT)

Common guys,Sanga is not talking about India is being at No: 1 or Sri Lanka is below the ranking.He is saying that each team is not playing equally in and out of their countries.So ICC has to schedule in a way in which each team get equal chances to play against all test teams in & out.Don't write pathetic comments without understanding what he is trying to say. He is not just a average guy to comment or ague the talent or the ranking of other teams. He knows the talent of Indian team and as well as other teams he is playing with. He knows very well about what he is talking. You should always look for better ways to improve the system. You have to question the system if there are any flaws and try to suggest to overcome those. First you need to have a brain to understand those existing problems and moreover you need to be a visionary to suggest how to overcome them. Sanga has both talents and he wants cricket to be improved day by day. That is how cricket has evolved over the year

Posted by rjPrz on (July 25, 2010, 12:32 GMT)

To all the Indians commented on this article, This is not about India being on No 1 position or who is better, this is about unfair time tables made by ICC. And also i think Australia is the best Test team even-though Pakistan beats them(if Aus had another 20 runs result probably changed). And also playing with 7 attacking batsmen and hope the other team can't out them for 2 times is not a good strategy for team ranked No 1 (:P), Team also needs good bowling attack(don't talk about Harbajan he is not that much good, at least now). And by d way, this series gonna end up with 2-0 or 1-0 win for Sri Lanka.

Posted by gavinfrank on (July 25, 2010, 12:09 GMT)

Sanga may be right when he says that India do not deserve to be no 1 cos they havent won series in AUS/SA/SRL ...but then who can stake a claim to being no 1 ??? Aus are not the force they once were having lost to SA , ENG and IND, SA havent won in India or SRL, SRL havent even won a test in India let alone series. PAK havent won in SA or AUS , let us not talk bout ENG/WI or NZL. The fact of the matter is there is no team that is consistant right now. Every team has weaknesses that tend to get exposed when they are playing abroad. Im surprised that Sanga has brought this up. This is not in good taste.

Posted by crickettimes on (July 25, 2010, 12:00 GMT)

India is the only team with poorest bowling attack.. Batting will not help al time. Bowlers should help at times. I wonder why Ishant and Munaf are playing International Cricket. If ppl like Venkatesh Prasad were coach means Indian Bowling will never improve for ever. Once Sachin retire, India can win matches after that. But will never win a series..

Posted by   on (July 25, 2010, 11:03 GMT)

Guy!! relax.........dont be emotion, just think wht Sanga's says!!!there are no more opportunities for Test Tour in future rather than SL vs Ind. ICC should consider to increase more Test Matches (even day/night) and implement proper ranking system which is not accepted playing only their home ground n become no:1 .,,Coooooooooool!!!!!!!

Posted by Main_Culprit on (July 25, 2010, 10:41 GMT)

OMG... this is crazy... how far people have gone not beeing able to understand what is actually written and the point made...its sad to see people wasting time commenting about what was not meant and it looks so stupid. Let me try and explain... it doesn't mean which side is ranked #1 and which is ranked #10. its the system. You have a team playing 10 tests a year and you have another team playing 2 or three. so how you could decide which is the best without an opportunity to play equal? this needs changing for the benefit of all teams. maybe the Indian fans are hurt after the defeat, BUT THATS NOT THE ISSUE HERE. Its the system. Sri Lanaka too dont deserve to be on top, coz they havent won many overseas. having said that, Sanga wants an oppotunity given to do so more often. This comment is not for Sri Lankan cricket.. its for world cricket. So guys...specially indian friends...dont take it personal...its not directed at you... pease get your heads off you back and think on the point.

Posted by --.-- on (July 25, 2010, 10:32 GMT)

@ Mr. Sangakkara ....Even Duckworth-Lewis method can't be understood by the public, the players, or the administrators, what's the use of having it?

Posted by sithuvel81 on (July 25, 2010, 9:52 GMT)

though i am an Indian supporter i found sangakkara is absolutely correct on this issue. India at No.1 despite not having won a series in Australia, South Africa and Sri Lanka since 1993, come on this is not fair. i want India to win test series in Australia and south Africa then nobody can question India's no.1 position.

Posted by Flighted_kiwi on (July 25, 2010, 9:50 GMT)

For heavens sake - I cannot believe the amount of drivel and bitterness written here. How often does it have to be said? READ THE ARTICLE! ENGAGE YOUR BRAINS! Sangakkara is not tearing down India. He certainly did not say SA has not won a series since 1993. He is not being cocky, filthy or arrogant. CHILL OUT PEOPLE! What he has done is express an opinion about the way the FTP and rankings are done and raised some legitimate concerns. He certainly does not suggest that SL should be up the top of the rankings - the opposite actually. Some very immature people are interpreting this as an anti-India issue and over-reacting. Others are dishing the dirt on Sanga, Murali, Malinga etc. Please some of you need to GROW UP and put your prejudices away. Read the article properly and engage in meaningful debate on the issues raised rather than indulge in some of the childish rants and attacks that are evidenced here.

Posted by   on (July 25, 2010, 9:41 GMT)

I agree with Sangakara that this ranking system is totally biased and it only favours India! I have been noticing it since last year, its amazing that when India wins, regardless of the quality of the opposition, they gain so many points and while they lose, the deduction of point is merely nothing! When South Africa, Australia, Srilanka or even Pakistan lose a match, they straight away deduct 4 to 5 points but in India's case, only 2 or 3 points! How on earth a team of India's bowling strength and a team which hasnt won many series, they have only won a few matches have reached the no.1 spot!

Posted by   on (July 25, 2010, 9:28 GMT)

According the author India havent won a series away against Aus,SL,SA since years though they are number one in the world ...But if such was he case ,West Indies and Australia should be No.1 and No.2 . The World Ranking are result of current progress of teams ...according to which India deserves to be No.1 ..I dont see any problem in that...

Posted by   on (July 25, 2010, 8:38 GMT)

i dont understand y soooo much nonsense is being talked about the ranking system.When Aus was ranked 1 for almost 5 yrs no one ever doubted the ranking system.How come suddenly when Ind becomes no1 people have a problem with ranking system.I have a problem with Indians also,they sound so apologetic when talking about us being no1 and that ranking system isnt good.What nonsense is evry1 talking.We have become no1 because we won test matches continously evrywhr including in Aus and SA(v mite have lost da series but won test matches there )and won test series in englag, windies, pakistan, bangladesh and new zealand.We deserve to be no 1 and we would be no1 till we play well.Rest of the world can cry foul or do whatever they want.

Posted by   on (July 25, 2010, 8:37 GMT)

When Srilanka were Ranked 2 without winning in India .. Sanga didnt questioned any .. now what is the use ?

Posted by   on (July 25, 2010, 8:11 GMT)

The rankings are an absolute joke. Granted, india are brilliant at home - yet they managed to hold on to a 1 all draw against SA in their own back yard. However, whenever they travel to our part of the world, there's never any doubt that the series will be a cake walk for South Africa, because India are so poor the minute they step outside of the sub-continent. I'm not saying that SA should be number one, but a team that is competitive no matter where they play, should be the rated the best. India are a hopeless lot whetehr they're in Oz, SA or England.

Posted by desathuae on (July 25, 2010, 8:10 GMT)

SANGA 100% correct, look at the wining precentage of SL and IN, IN's 40 % and SL 50% but still SL in 4th place, it show that ICC rating is not proper, sorry to say if there is no BCCI there is no ICC, ckricket is no more a gentlemans game, ckricket is controled by moeny where there is no spirit of the game, so we have to take it how ever it's come.

Posted by gavinfrank on (July 25, 2010, 7:48 GMT)

can the Srilankan board not demand for more test matches in Aus/Ind/SA ? Regarding the rankings lets think bout it rationally. Most teams play not more than 8-10 test matches in a year. Factor in the home and away criteria and you may have to wait 3-4 years before every team has played every other team home and away.Also most nations prefer ODIs and T20.You cant possibly wait that long to determine the No 1 side. Aus has been the best side over the last 15 years or so. Yet even they struggled to beat India in India. Can we then conclude that Aus wasnt the best side ? I dont think so. India is def not the best team. But theyre performances albeit at home have been good. Theyve beaten Nz/Pak/WI/Zim/Eng/Ban in away test series. The only hurdle is SA and AUS. I doubt IND can beat these teams in away series. But I also doubt SA/AUS can beat IND in India. Conclusion - Let us determine the no 1 side based on performances and not bring home and away into the equation.

Posted by REYHHH on (July 25, 2010, 7:29 GMT)

Sangakara...is thinkin that they have won the test seies against india....let him know first series is not over yet...secondly..last year India thrashed Sri lanka 2-0 and thirdly india is missing senior seam bowlers...they brought A Mithun a the main fast bowler..on a debut...Well at last...SL are over confident...this and indication of them lossing the series...@ Sanga...work hard play properly..then talk abt rankings..

Posted by nelanuthula on (July 25, 2010, 7:23 GMT)

Mr.Sangakkara India has won following series

India beat srilanka in India India beat Australia in India India beat newzealand in Newzealand India beat England in England India beat west Indies in West Indies India levelled series with South africa

I hope now you got all your answers abot how ratings are given...and ratings dont come by arguing they come only by playing good and consistent cricket

Posted by   on (July 25, 2010, 7:22 GMT)

I REALLY AGREE TO THE SANGA'S STATEMENT

Posted by Nerk on (July 25, 2010, 7:09 GMT)

In some respects Kumar is quite correct. Sri Lanka are a better team than some boards treat them, particularly Australia who only ever gives them two test matches in a series. I think Sri Lanka needs to play more test matches against Aus and Sth Africa in Australia and Sth Africa, and come to that so does India. And, speaking as an Aussie, I would really love to see these subcontinental heroes every one keeps talking about...

Posted by manjulap on (July 25, 2010, 6:52 GMT)

Sanga your are absolutely spot on as per my judgement. Don't bother about what the critics have mentioned. You have a better cricketing mind than them all....

Posted by paulnath2 on (July 25, 2010, 6:42 GMT)

It's true that SL dint play enough test matches.For exaple SL havennt played test in SA since 2002.just 4 tests in AU since 95.

Posted by   on (July 25, 2010, 6:34 GMT)

Everyone here commenting has it wrong. Sanga isn't talking about Sri Lanka and how he thinks they should be higher up, he's saying there is a flaw in the ranking system, which there is.

How can India be the top while not having won in South Africa or Australia. (the second and third place teams). Even if Sri Lanka is good enough, how are they going to prove they are good enough if they don't play the higher ranked teams?

I don't like the World Test Championship idea, but perhaps a fairer ranking system and regular playing intervals where Test series are of an consistent size and distance apart.

This article isn't about Sanga saying Sri Lanka is the best in the world just because they just beat India, so you Indians commentating, get off your high horse and notice that the country is at the top of the ratings because the system is flawed. I'm Indian, by the way, and proud of it, but I'm not proud of being the number 1 ranked team because of a technical flaw.

Posted by Madmast_Hathi on (July 25, 2010, 6:33 GMT)

Hmm...let's look at Sri Lanka's test record against SA and Aus abroad in the last 5 years. That's why India is No 1. Get the point Sanga? You cannot just beat Bangladesh and hope to be No 1.

Posted by catalyst213 on (July 25, 2010, 5:47 GMT)

Like Aussies cry after a defeat, Sanga cries after he wins.

Posted by   on (July 25, 2010, 5:43 GMT)

Hay Guys,

i just want to tell here is that the FTP is not correct, can any1 tel me that how many Matches Does SL played in IN, AUS & SA past decade? there is a big gap in the FTP and the ICC should act accordingly to solve the problem. SL always get only 1 or 2 test match series in these countries except India and thats also about every 4years or so. so does any1 think that they will be able to get used to these conditions.

About India Beign in Rank No 1, They deserve to be there, coz you cant tell that teams is bad nd not good to be in that possition after 1 match.

when Zaheer, Bhaji, Ishant nd all get to gather & SRT,Shewag, Dhoni, Dravid & Gauti click i dont think any team can get closer to them

Hope everything will change soon and the ICC will look in to FTP nd correct this

Posted by   on (July 25, 2010, 5:37 GMT)

just bcoz srilanka has won the 1st test, Sangakkara cannot speak wat ever he wants.... he needs to understand that the test series is not over... moreover, murali is no more....and malinga is not playing the 2nd test..... Letz see if he still gives filthy statements @ the end of 2nd test!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (July 25, 2010, 4:54 GMT)

@ Gaurav Matta: Malinga is a roundarm bowler (Sling action) which leads to his nickname, "Slinga Malinga". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundarm_bowling

Posted by   on (July 25, 2010, 4:43 GMT)

@ gaurav Matta :- What makes you think, you know better than ICC technology??? He was approved, thats y he s still playing. If you do a little research, you ll find out y he was approved .. seriously, base your opinion on FACTS

Posted by KRIBA on (July 25, 2010, 4:34 GMT)

Sanga, B4 questioning on ranking you pls ck that how many test matches played by SL against the teams like AUS, SA & India in last 5 years and what are the resualts? The same period how many matches played against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, West Indies, NZ & Pak and what are the results? The same period India performed far better than SL and some times matching the SA & Aus.Dont cry foul....... Be concentrate to play on the field.

Posted by ShahzanHaiderBukhari on (July 25, 2010, 4:30 GMT)

Well said Sangakara!!! India doesn't deserve to be ranked 1 in test cricket because it hasn't shown any remarkable performance in recent times that may entitle India to be ranked 1. Ironically it has faced many defeats. One wonders and doubts the ranking system. I totally agree with Sangakara.

Posted by Navodana on (July 25, 2010, 4:15 GMT)

@ Gaurav Matta : Do u at least know what "under arm" bowling means? Just because Malinga was unplayable for Indian batsmen, it doesn't mean he is bowling under arm. Once the Australians couldn't play Murali, and they called him a chucker.

Posted by NAP73 on (July 25, 2010, 4:13 GMT)

The ratings system can never work properly as there are too many extraneous variables, eg number of tests played (linked to revenue streams etc in decision making + certain series like the Ashes should always have a special place), timing of fixtures in conjunction with ability at that point, injuries, lack of UDRS in some fixtures, weather, toss wins, gambling, difficulty in having a fairly weighted calculation (eg for away fixtures) that is agreeable etc. Just leave it as is and ignore it. The public can always make up their own mind who is the best. Personally, I think India is best at home but South Africa is best away. But that is just my opinion. There will be many differing viewpoints. The most important thing is to keep the game sustainable and interesting. I feel it is becoming less interesting in some countries (eg West Indies) and other countries don't seem to be able to make the step up (eg Bangladesh). Do we need to give a greater helping hand, or provide for relegation?

Posted by erangakavi on (July 25, 2010, 4:01 GMT)

sangakkara is correct... sri lanka dont have enough foreign tournaments

Posted by   on (July 25, 2010, 3:41 GMT)

sanga is absolutely correct

Posted by SLfan on (July 25, 2010, 3:33 GMT)

Some people have commented here, without properly understanding what Sanga is saying....Actually he is telling that, it is not fair to achieve some higher rank without playing much test cricket. Probably he might talking about his team(Sri Lanka), not about India.That means, we all know that it is not fair for Sri Lanka to become the no.1, even if we'll manage to win all 3 matches of this series. The reason is simply we don't deserve the place, just because we have n't performed well especially in abroad...So, he may be trying to point out the fact that, teams should be given equally more chances to play test cricket & then calculate the rankings.....Now, it has become a habbit of Indians to attack Sanga always, without understanding what he is talking about....We are really proud of you Sanga, & lucky to have you as our captain.Try to point out this kind of matters more & more, so that cricket will be the ultimate winner. Cheers !!!

Posted by ian45 on (July 25, 2010, 3:11 GMT)

where does he get off saying that sa havent won a test series since 1993 , what a load of rubbish, we last won a test series in australia in 2009, that was our last tour there, better do you homework before making comments , theres nothing wrong with the rankings system, you win you gain points, you lose well duh you lose points.

Posted by janebhidoyaroh on (July 25, 2010, 2:23 GMT)

2003 - India - 6th with 91 points and Aus 130 SA 119 NZ 106 - PAK lost to Ind 2004 - India - 5th with 100 points - SA los Ind Ban lost Ind Pak draw 2005 - India -4th with 109 and under SL SL lost IND Zim lost to IND 2006 -India - 4th with 111 and under PK- WI lost Ind 2007 -India - 4th with 109 - India fails to win test again Ban but beats Eng, Pak 2008-India -2nd wth 118 Eng lost Ind, NZ lost Ind in NZ - BIG win against AUS, ENG 2009-India - 1st with 124 and Aus 116 a BIG drop - beat SL 2010-India - 1st with 124

Check above and conclude, if ICC ranking is unfair .... we Indians followed it even India was far below. It's common ranking system for all ... India has fair FTP with all test playing nations, Its highly ridiculous statement made by quality player like Sanga

Posted by mahi678 on (July 25, 2010, 2:15 GMT)

dear, Sandesh Fernando, Its not indians who were crying and commenting on rankings. Its u jealous on india's rank. they lost a match and u want to lash on them. pity!!

Posted by Thanura on (July 25, 2010, 1:35 GMT)

Sri Lanka has the chance of becoming the no1 ranked test team if the series ends as 2-0 or 3-0. Even with this great opportunity Sangakkara has questioned ICC test ranking system. I don't understand why people can't see that he is trying to tell the truth. Would you question the ranking system if you are about to become the no1 ranked side?

Posted by erangakavi on (July 25, 2010, 1:26 GMT)

Sanga is 100% true.. Sri Lanka has minimum opportunities to play away test series.. ICC is not fair!!!

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 23:41 GMT)

Sangakara is totally right, point system should be changed for odi/test, away games win should get you two points or more points, and home 1, also all teams should play each other in regular bases, and the amount of matches too, so then you will find real winner. T20 ranking should be calculated too, I think Pakistan or England might hold 1st position in that.

Posted by Rezaul on (July 24, 2010, 22:50 GMT)

Sanga is absolutely right in his comment. India is such a team cant win a series in SL, SA< or Aus still they are #1 in ranking. Its a funny thing to talk about. Hope ICC realizes the gross mistake in the system. And yes, India has a chance to win next game as both Murali and Malinga are out.

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 21:03 GMT)

I am agree with Sangakara. I dont like him but is is right here..

"Rankings need to be fairly done. A fair FTP is the first step towards having proper rankings. Once every two years each side should play each other at least once, home or away. That's how you get a fair deal when it comes to Test cricket."

Posted by gandabhai on (July 24, 2010, 19:47 GMT)

s~kara.Dont kill the golden goose.

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 19:20 GMT)

hmmmm, is it not too soon to question ratings? Series is not over yet.

Posted by SLJohn on (July 24, 2010, 18:34 GMT)

Hei Mukel Patel, beware talking our captain like this, what ever he is saying is right, is anyone there to debate with him , Our captain is not like your uneducated captain Dhoni,just came from BIHAR like jungly uneducated place, take decision by panchathantra . Look how Dhoni is batting, does he have any beautiful shots , how is long forward to the spinners , seems like he want to stop the bowl any how without it hit to the wickets, Looks sangakara's beautiful shots and education. I will say our sangakara will be in biggest position in ICC, this is my guarantee, As I say before to my friend that 15years before I saw Mahela Jayawardena playing in his school cricket ( Lemonade Cup )as captain, when I saw him I said to my friends ( 15years ago)one day he will be our cricket captain, was happen the same later.

Remember My word , Sangakara will be future chairman in ICC

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 18:15 GMT)

Australia had been the no.1 team since rankings were introduced and when they finally won a series against India in India in 2004, they had done so after a gap of 35 years; they were rated no1 before the series began. Rankings do not suggest that a side is a perfect or that they are world-beaters . It only suggests that that particular side has been performing better than all others.

Plus, I doubt that rankings do not take into consideration, if the match is being played at home or away. Please do check out the ICC official website. I had read long ago that a special weightage is given to wins away from home

Posted by AndyZaltzmannsHair on (July 24, 2010, 16:19 GMT)

I kind of feel sorry for South Africa. They tour the world, win and compete wherever they go and find themselves stuck to that number 2 spot whilst other countries playing predominantly at home. If Sri Lanka get to number one would it be a genuine reflection of what has taken place in Test cricket over the past couple of years, obviously not.

Posted by lucyferr on (July 24, 2010, 16:13 GMT)

There are unofficial ELO rankings for football, since not everyone trusts FIFA rankings. Is anyone keeping unofficial rankings (using the ELO method or otherwise) in any form of cricket?

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 16:05 GMT)

look who's speaking!! May I remind you Mr. Sangakara Sri lanka have fail to win even a single test match against India in India and you are questioning India's SUCCESS story.. First prove yourself then only comment.

Posted by Kirk-at-Lords on (July 24, 2010, 15:36 GMT)

Good on Sangha for keeping steady pressure on ICC to get focussed on proper ranking system and touring schedule ahead of a Test Championship. Lately he and Ponting have put on a good partnership "out in the middle" for better cricket governance. I rather expect they have not planned their little partnership, but you often do not have much say in who your batting partner at the other end will be, so I am happy to see them making the most of their individual skills and captaincies on a rather different sort of wicket. Long may the partnership continue!

Posted by NRI- on (July 24, 2010, 15:33 GMT)

Let me explain the test match win/loss ratio system better. A draw would add 0.5 to each of the numerator (N) & the denominator (D) and minimum D in any ratio at any time would be set at 0.5. Now you take the 'away' win/los ratio times 2 plus the home win/loss ratio and then also add 1 bonus point for each test match won at home by an innings or more and 2 bonus points for each test match won away for each test match won by an innings or more. Now do the points for the last three years for each test playing nation.

Aus will be no1 in tests (still), SA no 2, India no 3 and Eng no 4 and that's fair.

Why have draws add 0.5 to N and to D? Because if win 3, lose 1 and draw 8, you are worse than the nation that wins 9 and loses 3 (of the same 12).

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 15:22 GMT)

Does anyone honestly believes this ICC cricket rating... Team playing with countries like bangladesh and zimbabwe claims to be no1 lol...thats actually funny..

Posted by mahi678 on (July 24, 2010, 14:49 GMT)

He all u guys r envy aganist india. India lost a test, u r showing ur true colors. Its not over. see there is chance that india may won series!!

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 14:45 GMT)

Nice one Sangakarra! Where as your team hasn't won a single test match in India, Australia and South Africa, and you have no problem with your team ranked as high as 4, you have problem with team India being ranked as the best test team. India has done well in Australia drawing the test series in 2003-04. However on a different note, I feel at this time in juncture of test cricket, there is no undisputable number one test team. As the top 4 countries India, South Africa, Australia and Sri Lanka are capable of winning home series against the other three teams but not being able to win away tours to these top 4 countries. India has been ranked number one as it has done well comparitvely so hence its ranked as number 1. I feel in the few years to come, this numero uno spot is going to oscillate between India, Australia and South Africa. However, I feel this is good for cricket because there is no team which is superior to all the teams.

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 14:41 GMT)

I think he should first question his under arm bowler Malinga I don't how ICC allowed him...His action is perfectly under arm

Posted by siddham2007 on (July 24, 2010, 14:40 GMT)

The problem is how often the review takes place for rankings.

The Indian team has come down in recent years but 'did the right things at the right time' to be number one which they dont deserve at this point (no 5 or 6 would be more correct)

As of now I would say Dhoni and his bunch of TV reality show stars, boyfriends of film personalities, erratic attendees (because of fitness) issues are being exposed because of the lack of focus on the game and there arent too many of the ones who ARE FOCUSSED.

Look at what Ishant Sharma was a couple of years ago and look at him now. Look at MSD himself....

Whatever happened to the team of the early 2000s which gave the Aussie a run for their money?

Posted by SatyajitM on (July 24, 2010, 14:21 GMT)

Sanga talks as if his team can win everything outside played. Fact is exactly opposite, their record is far worse outside than India's is. While India haven't been able to win series in AUS,SA and SL(recently), SL haven't even won test matches! India like SL don't play too many test matches. Only Aus, Eng and to some extent SA do that. If the rating system is faulty it is so for a decade. Agreed that India isn't the overwhelming champ like Aus were 4 years back. But then tell me who is that champ? Aus? who just lost to a weak Pak team. SA? who had a weak 2010. SL? who were comprehensively beaten in India after one good test. Like it or not, India is no1, but just! If they are comprehensively beaten in the series vs SL, they won't deserve the position and rightfully.

Posted by SnowSnake on (July 24, 2010, 14:07 GMT)

I think the title of this article is wrong. The title gives a feeling that Sanga. was the one who is questioning the ICC ranking system as opposed to answering the question. Generally, I think Sanga is slightly immature to pose/answer such questions like UDRS and team rankings etc. If home tests were valued less then SL current win aginst India will mean less to SL rank; would that sit well with Sanga? Or as soon as he realizes this he would want ICC to change ranking system again? India by far has more cities, more cricket audience, more cricket stadiums than almost all other cricket playing countries. From revenue and opportunity perspective, it only makes sense for India to play more tests in India.

Posted by sjf1979 on (July 24, 2010, 13:56 GMT)

Winning test matches away from home is far harder than wiining them at home. If the rankings fail to represent this difference then, in my view, they are worthless. South Africa and Australia would be ranked the top 2 sides if this adjustment was brought in I believe.

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 13:54 GMT)

India will win next match. Murali being a good friend they wanted to make sure he reaches 800 wickets. Looks like this series itself is a scripted one

Posted by arnavred on (July 24, 2010, 13:34 GMT)

what u people think..ind wont deserve no.1 spot...then i suppose u r not watching test ckt frm a long time...If ind got no.1 spot,credit goes to the team as they performed in every department and they deserve it.India gets no.1 after very ver4y hard work.It may be in team ranking or player rankings.If at all other team performs ok,then they will seriously strike back to gain good rankings but not the same with indians.Before commenting on india,sanga should remember about their team performance when they go overseas.eveyone knows team will be strong when they are at home..do they deny it??..all the matches they won from past two years,it came from their home.not from overseas.

Posted by Percy_Fender on (July 24, 2010, 13:33 GMT)

The ranking system of the ICC does seem flawed. The thing is that if India has indeed reached the premier position it has perhaps more to do with good performances in countries that were in the top three for years. India came to be noticed in that memorable series in Australia in 2003-04 when they came close to beating Australia at home. Something unthinkable in those days.In fact but for some umpiring howlers they should have won the Sydney Test and the series 2-1. I think that is when the ICC came to accept India's resurgence with its galaxy of great batsmen and at least one legendary bowler. The fighting trend went on the next time they went to Australia as well under Kumble. At around the same time the gap between Australia and the others was very very wide. That may have been the influencing factor regarding India's rise to No 1. I say this because India did not beat South Africa either in South Africa and only drew against them in India.

Posted by siddham2007 on (July 24, 2010, 13:17 GMT)

I really dont know why India should be called the no. 1 test team anymore

Right now the Indian team is filled with Reality Show Stars, boyfriends of show biz personalities and persons who are irregular because of fitness issues. The BCCI is corrupt beyond belief and nobody cares as long as they are getting their 'cut' HOW CAN THEY BE NO. 1?

As an Indian and fan of SRT, I feel that the team owes it to him, Dravid, VVS, Sehwag, and even Ganguly to win 2011.... Whatever happened to the carefully built up level of India in 2003 - the combination of the team and John Wright.

Let's ask John Wright, Saurav and some of the 'old guard' to return - chose a bunch of 16 and take them to some remote training place, isolate them and train them to be completely fit and motivated to play and win in cricket until the 2011 world cup.

After giving these legends their dream, the team and the board can do whatever it wants

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 13:11 GMT)

@Sandesh Fernando : Srilanka will not become No 1 even if they beat India 3-0

Posted by trueanalyst on (July 24, 2010, 12:45 GMT)

Chappers85,Which Murali you are talking about,the Murali who was blasted all over the park by Viru & Co in recent test series against India.Viru made 285 runs in one day with most of his runs coming against a certain Muthiah Muralidharan

Posted by Graeme_Pollock on (July 24, 2010, 12:32 GMT)

I think the team rankings should be based directly on the rankings of players who play for that team. In the current scheme, if a highly talented player from a particular team misses out on a game or series, that does not affect the team's ranking. That is flawed, as a single talented player can, often, make the difference between winning and losing. So I would propose a scheme wherein a team's ranking is directly based on a weighted average of its players' individual rankings. The players' performances will need to factor in the quality of the opposition players and the conditions (home/away etc.) . I think that by doing so, you would rank the teams more fairly. Player performances are typically updated at the end of each match so you could have team rankings updated after each game as well. After all, teams are only as good as the players that play for them.

Posted by papadum on (July 24, 2010, 12:06 GMT)

People calm down. i think there are alot of misunderstandings happening here. I am a sri lankan and i believe that yes india deserve that number one spot. But i don't think that the ranking is fair.....and likewise...our team needs to play more test matches. And every team should play equal amounts of matches home and away....that's basically what sang is sayin! In my opinion sanga is directly pointing a finger at india....its just that some teams haven't played enough matches. There needs to be a balance. Hence why the rankings are unfair.....considering not all teams get to play the same amount of test matches.I believe that judging by the recent test matches that india deserves that no.1 spot....but that isn't the issue here...regardless of whether india is no.1 or not....the system is unfair! but i guess this is my view on this article and my own opinion :)

Posted by Apache_Indian on (July 24, 2010, 11:59 GMT)

Although what Sanga said looks sensible but you people have to digest the fact that India is No. 1 Test Team ...Now blame it on ICC for the venue of the matches ! Now some people might come up with a silly point that BCCI rules ICC ! :)

and I don't think I need to remind you guys that right now India is playing away from home !

Posted by Apache_Indian on (July 24, 2010, 11:54 GMT)

I think, One Day rankings should also be questioned ......... Aus, SA and India don't deserve to be top 3 teams ! Something fishy here .... !

Posted by Apache_Indian on (July 24, 2010, 11:52 GMT)

It seems Sangakkara hasn't digested the lose of Asia Cup yet !

Posted by East_West on (July 24, 2010, 11:52 GMT)

Bang_La, KiwiRocker et al. Looks like you folks live on hatred and write trash about india! i wonder what is Bangla upto nowadays! we thought tigers are doing great but they are loosing to Ireland, Scotland, etc..such is the quality of cricket in your country! KiwiRocker, i bet you never been to Kiwiland but make fun of india, sachin and all! dude! look at the stats of sachin and india's recent winning record! southeast nations are jealous of their own but when australia wins OR has test ranking # 1that is good for the game! no wonder your countries have all these problems that you can't fathom to solve but come on these websites and rant your frustrations about India!

Posted by Apache_Indian on (July 24, 2010, 11:51 GMT)

India doesn't have a good bowling attack capable of taking 20 wickets in Test matches but still they have managed to do so in past. I think they had put a huge amount of money into the mouth of the batsmen of the opposition so that the Indian bowlers got them out.

Posted by xavi_paula on (July 24, 2010, 11:41 GMT)

itz nothing abt INDIA itz abt d ranking system . no problem with india bt the ranking system z nt clear to all. and 1 team z playing 20 test in a year and another team z playing 5 test then can u rank them and some team z palying most of the test in thier home and some tream zplaying in away which za nt fair at all. so ICC shud follow a good system to rank d team b coz every team n players are giving their 100% n at d end of d day they want to get what they deserved. whatever SANGAKARA hav said was fair. BT some stupid indians will never understand that fact........

Posted by Apache_Indian on (July 24, 2010, 11:33 GMT)

Looks like some people don't like India playing in Sri Lanka ... They want Indian team to go to SA, Australia and beat 'tougher' teams :-)

Posted by Apache_Indian on (July 24, 2010, 11:25 GMT)

Wrong timing Sangakkara ! You should have questioned the ranking system when you were no. 2 side or WAIT until you become no. 1

Posted by Apache_Indian on (July 24, 2010, 11:19 GMT)

I had NOT expected that Sangakkara would question India's no. 1 position. I like this player so much but he disappointed me. Although I agree that a team should play equal matches...(@ home & away)... but if Sangakkara had so many problems with the ranking system then why didn't he open his mouth when Sri Lanka were No. 2 test side ?

Posted by Omarrz on (July 24, 2010, 11:16 GMT)

I don't understand how India got to no. 1 in the first place anyway...

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 11:13 GMT)

i think no one understand the singakara want to say. he just comment on point system not on team performence. and he is right that when we see the positions on the point table we are confused. the no. 1 postions is the postion in sports that shows strongest team and strong in all where home and abroad. in all departments. that is rhe point and he like to introduce some type of calculation is this system that when any time on no. 1 position all accept and not debateable team achive that postion.

Posted by NRI- on (July 24, 2010, 11:07 GMT)

The solution is obvious. India only beat Eng in Eng 1-0, NZ in NZ 1-0 and so on. When WI and Australia were dominant, they used to whitewash Eng 5-0, WI even did that to Eng in Eng. So we need a system that (a) is based on Test win/ loss ratios and not on series wins alone and (b) where away wins count for twice as much. So overall one should, for the last three years, measure the away win/loss ratio and home win/loss ratio, multiply the away ratio by 2 and then add the two ratios, add bonus points for innings victores at home and 2 bonus points for innings victories away and what do you have - Aus still no 1, SA no 2 and India no 3, deservedly so - what a weak attack they have !!!

Posted by SnowSnake on (July 24, 2010, 11:03 GMT)

I am really disappointed in ICC for showing poor leadership. If ICC wants cricket to become popular in USA then it should stop experimenting with the game and its rules. Players questioning ranking should not happen. It happens because everyone expects ICC to change rules at anyone's whims. It is one thing for fans to discuss these things, but for players to question ranking system shows lack of respect towards ICC and its procedures. It undermines the sporting authority. If there is discontentent then it should be handled confidentially with appropriate procedures. Sorry Sanga. what you are proposing is social justice and bending the ranking rules to suit your team. If anything you should respect India and its fans because they rarely complained about ranking rules when other teams were no. 1. India was no. 2 for a long time before it became no. 1. India is a solid cricket team, marginally better than the others and ranking justify no.1 rank by a wisker.

Posted by Vinit_Sharma_Singh on (July 24, 2010, 10:53 GMT)

Any system which has India as Number 1 cannot be taken seriously.

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 10:49 GMT)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 10:49 GMT)

If the above was to hold true then only series victories should have points not mere test match victories and away victories yes must have more points then home victories which is fair in many ways.But I have a feeling that this huge debate will stop immediately when India are toppled from number 1.That time all these rankings will be considered fair.

Posted by lararichards on (July 24, 2010, 10:41 GMT)

How can India be number 1 in the test rankings when they have never played a home test series versus Bangladesh? I thought it was a condition of the FTP (and therefore to get a ranking) that each team had to play each other home and away over a certain period of time? In my opinion India CANNOT be ranked at all given that they have NOT played Bangladesh at home. All the more ironic given India's role in pushing for Bangladesh to get test status.

Posted by SLfan on (July 24, 2010, 10:41 GMT)

Some people have commented here, without properly understanding what Sanga is saying....Actually he is telling that, it is not fair to achieve some higher rank without playing much test cricket. Probably he might talking about his team(Sri Lanka), not about India. That means, we all know that it is not fair for Sri Lanka to become the no.1, even if we'll manage to win all 3 matches of this series. The reason is simply we don't deserve the place, just because we have n't performed well especially in abroad... So, he may be trying to point out the fact that, teams should be given equally more chances to play test cricket & then calculate the rankings.....Now, it has become a habbit of Indians to attack Sanga always, without understanding what he is talking about....We are really proud of you Sanga, & lucky to have you as our captain.Try to point out this kind of matters more & more, so that cricket will be the ultimate winner. Cheers !!!

Posted by cskfangg on (July 24, 2010, 10:27 GMT)

Last time,when India were at NO.2 Rank... Reporters asked Dhoni whether,he is aiming for No.1 Rank.. He said that he dont care about Rank,If you perform well.. they(Rankings) will come on its way.. so sanga be a man,care about ur game.not about rankings.. Little kid sanga learn these humbleness from Dhoni..

Posted by cskfangg on (July 24, 2010, 10:12 GMT)

What made sanga to give this comment all of a sudden???.. Sanga never growup..i dont know why he is talking too much about this Rankings..UDRS..what man,what happened to you??? ... Winning a match,in your homeground,doesnt mean u r No.1!!!!!!!! Go and win in Australia,SA,INDIA..(oh u never ever)...and still if u were at bottom then open u r mouth on this..

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 10:01 GMT)

Ranking systems cannot please everyone, and Sangakkara is a case in point. At the start of each ODI series or tournament he was known to remind everyone that Kulasekara was the #1 ODI bowler in the world - this despite the fact that Kulasekara's performances against the more established teams are not as good as those against teams like Bangladesh, Zimbabwe etc. If that suited Sangakkara, it is a surprise that he is so concerned about this one. Agreed that the rankings of teams and individual players are not the same thing - nor are test and ODI rankings - but for someone who is so vocal about the test rankings, Sangakkara should be just as balanced in his assessment of bowlers like Kulasekara.

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 10:01 GMT)

hey guys india just lost one match without the services of their main bowlers. watch out for srilanka without murali and malinga in the next match, how they are going to suffer and they wil automatically agree that india are the current best side.........

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 9:51 GMT)

Bloody Sangakkara. He doesn't hv a gud performance of his on team n questions on d ranking system of ICC. First improve urself n ur team n den try 2 point a fingure on others. ICC better knws wat its doin..

Posted by jmanigandan on (July 24, 2010, 9:43 GMT)

Sach _is_Life understand onething. aus may have taken 30 years to win a series in india. but indian have never won a series in australia and south africa. our only victory in sa came only when we toured last time and we won the first test. the bcci is clever on holding india's no 1 test ranking by adding more home test matches which were not planned. for example sa played 2 additional tests now we are playing 3 tests in srilanka and we have two more in october against australia. Its not becoming no 1 but to hold on it for some time atleast like the aussies do. I am for sure that with the kind of bowling attack the indians have now they will lose their no 1 ranking if they play outside sub continent tracks. leave alone this series if india loses the current series no 1 ranking is gone. I easily seely india being placed at no 4 or 5 at the end of this year or early next year after the sa tour is over. maintaning consistency is not there for this indian team.

Posted by sanjeevmukherjee2006 on (July 24, 2010, 9:33 GMT)

@bangla and others who are saying india play well only in india and looses outside are you guys suffering from amnesia in last 6 years india lost away test series in Pakistan, WI, England, NZ, drew series win Aus won at perth, adelaide won at johannesburg so they have a decent record so read the records then speak those who say sachin is useless or over rated that is why he has 47 test centuries and it is the time of asians look how aamir is humiliating aussies australia bowled out for 88, highest wicket keeper murali highest run scorer sachin i dont think anyone can break those records moreover yes as of now india's bowling is weak but it will rise and well SL dont jump up and down after winning one test u must try to win at least one test match in India SA and AUS

Posted by mahjut on (July 24, 2010, 9:12 GMT)

@Sach_is_life. I think that in the last 4 series SA V Ind (in India) SA have been beaten only once. Although vs SL (in SL) since 2000 I think they have been beaten all but once. I don't remember SL beating Aus (home or away) in a series in a very long time and although their record vs Ind (in ind) is not a great one they did win the penultimate series there if my memory serves...

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 9:01 GMT)

Posted by zak123kaif on (July 24 2010, 04:14 AM GMT) So that sore loser Sangakkara who always falsely praises his team saying "we have a very good pace and spin attack".Seroiusly?Are there any other good bowlers in Sri lanka except Malinga and Murali?Now with Murali out of cricket scene we will see who is so called a good spinner in Sri lanka.Also with Malinga out of the next test Sri lanka bowling will be even poorer than Bangladesh and then India will beat them to pulp and tell the Sri lankans who the boss is and why India are the number 1 in test cricket.

SO YOU ADMIT THAT U ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO KILL, THE WEAKER SIDE TO SHOW THAT INDIANS R BOSS???? COME ON GUYS, BEAT AUSSIES, S.A AT THEIR VENUES AND COME TO NUMBER ONE POSITION..... AUSSIES HAVE BEEN DOING THIS EVERY WHERE IN THE WORLD TO CLAIN THIS POSITION.... (NEVER FORGET I HAVE BEEN FAN OF INDIAN BATTING LINE UP FOR A VERY LONG TIME)..

Posted by nepalanka on (July 24, 2010, 8:27 GMT)

hey u patel stop blaming sangakara. what do u think after a heavy loss with srilanka india will be in No.1 ranking after this series?

Posted by rshn on (July 24, 2010, 8:24 GMT)

Dear Sangakara,

You have to win consistently against big teams to be on Top, which you have not done. So stop cirbbing and stay playing.

Posted by VEGHA on (July 24, 2010, 8:18 GMT)

I am not agreeing sangakara statement.Any country other than India must be no 1 as per him.Is he true sportsman and he is not analysing facts.They want to play in India in IPL macthes whereas they do not want to India to stay in No.1 Position.Let his team win first in Australia and then let him talk with big mouth

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 7:58 GMT)

Siddharth/Cricinfo has very cleverly deleted the last line in the original article yesterday that India last played an away series in 2009, the incorrectness of which I had pointed out yesterday. Sanga has defended SL's No.2 last yr by saying "From 2006 to 2009 we have done well." Fact is they won 27% away n 73% home. He has also questioned India's No. 1 ranking by saying "If rankings can't be understood by the public, the players, or the administrators, what's the use of having rankings?" Boss, you can't blame unfamiliarity for your slide. Ignorance is not an excuse. I think that the current ranking system is fair enough. It gives weightage to series played over 3 yrs, not the current yr or for 10 yrs n the wins against higher ranked teams count for more points than the lower ranked teams. What needs to be fair is the FTP. Again, it was SA who agreed to play only 2 tests in Ind this yr, not Ind's fault. SL shd thank Ind for playing frequently n giving them a chance to become No. 1.

Posted by irfanzulfiqar786 on (July 24, 2010, 7:23 GMT)

haha funny one but i think he got the point , anyways making the slow turning wickets and the hostility of the natives with some biased umpiring i think thats all about playing in india , so if indians are @ number 1 position there is something fishy , sanga got an intersting point here , irrespective of that he is blindfolded with the phobia that his team is the best lets see how well they do when great murli is gone.i think thats going to be their real test good luck sangaa but plz stop moaning buddy.

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 7:17 GMT)

kumar is 100% right...the ranking of ICC is not classical............

Posted by _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on (July 24, 2010, 6:50 GMT)

@kiranvg!! Dude, its bad enough persons are misinterpreting Sanga, can't see past their nose and not realising that the FTP and the Rankings need adjusting AND now u come stating false info and calling it logic! Get u'r facts right man.Ind never drew or won any series in Aus or SA for that matter, they came close but NO not even the last time. The last 2 times SA visited Ind, BOTH series were drawn 1-1. i.e. SA have not lost a series in Ind in the last 2 attempts. Careful what u say,persons may believe u...that is logic.

Posted by Pathiyal on (July 24, 2010, 6:44 GMT)

Sanga is not a kid! He talks sense and nothing less than that. People...stop throwing dirt further, if you have more dirts with you, throw it on yourselves. He does not criticise India here. He is just airing his doubts on the ranking system, which everyone knows - is faulty.

Posted by v4vicky on (July 24, 2010, 6:43 GMT)

Sangakara logic is as flawed as it can be. By the measure of his logic even SL does n t deserve its current ranking in test cricket. People around the globe are jealous of Indian Team being Rank:1 just because there team is not the one who is dominating the ranking. Its a flawed assumption that rank:1 team is unbeatable.

SL should be thanking Indian team for playing so many matches with SL helping their board to share the pie of money involved in cricket.

Weak bowling is not a good sign for a good team, but then same is true of weak batting. India has always relied on its batting to cover up for bowling which is fair enough. The end result is more important than such biased criticism.

The rules are same for all other test playing nations and if they are not able to leverage it to their advantage, Indian cricket team ranking or composition cannot be blamed for it rather the pure jealousy and egos should be blamed.

Posted by mahsang on (July 24, 2010, 6:30 GMT)

One more thing, I saw that one guy had suggested that Sanga and co wouldn't be averaging 50+ if they played Aus and South Africa and murali wouldn't pick 800 wickets? Do you know that Sanga averages 65 is austarlia and murali picks nearly 6 wickets a match in South Africa (6 matches 35 wickets)....

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 6:23 GMT)

SOME EYE OPENING STATS FOR SANGA

even if we go back 5 years, SL has won 7 lost 9 matches away while india has won 11 and lost 8.

SL has only one away series win that is in Bangladesh...while India has won in Bangladesh, England, West Indies, and Zimbabwe.... See More

SL has not won a single test match during this period in Australia, England, Pakistan and India while India has won tests everywhere except Pakistan where they havent played since 2006.

if winning away was the criteria, Sri Lanka has some serious thinking themselves to do rather than ICC.

Posted by mahsang on (July 24, 2010, 6:16 GMT)

Guys, understand first that Sanga is not happy with the FTP. What he's saying is that it's not a fair representation of the team rankings if all teams don't play each oher regularly home and away. Mikesh Patel is suggesting that sanga is unhappy that India is no 1 and isn't happy about that. Do you know that is SL wins the sieris by more than 2 tests thay become the no 1 team? I's like to see what people say to that if it happens... Bottom line, everybody plays everyone else home and away regulary (unlike SL who hasn't played in South Africa since 2002). Then calculate the points. This will show the true champion team

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 6:13 GMT)

From an out sider's view:

Unless there is monetary insentive tied to the ratings, I wld not worry like the Sri Lankan captain. Dynamics of this sport has changed over the years, so are very knowledgable followers who keep a tab on every aspect in the field to draw their own conclusions. But I think India and Lanka, whether or not at home, are the best battig sides. For India, their troubles remain out side spinners with their inability to make the best of their seemers if any indication from Pakistan. India is hanging on to their old batters than building for the furture. Lets say, this applies for Mr. Ponting himself. If I was to go beyond, South African captain was a discovery in totality, for his likeable youth,results - and the way he started his batting. Afridi's is another of what crowds want even in the opposition- criket is different ball game now. But for Lankans, looking beyond Murali Dharan, may well become the their own test case.

Posted by mourya18 on (July 24, 2010, 6:12 GMT)

Sangakkara insisted on playing with each other nation atleast twice a year. To b practical it wont happen in terms of playing, its js due to lots of formats n events engaged in between. If he wants to improve the state of cricket, he could have questioned or asked ICC abt the bowling angle of one of his bowlers and fidel edwards too. If he wants to enhance the test reputation ask him to debate abt the day night test matches n even the UDRS system.

If he wants to improve the cricket standards he can even ask for the standard cricket stadium dimensions across the world.

If he still wants to question the ICC he's not suitable bcoz india, sa N OZZ R D BESTBOWLING N BATTING ATTACKS IN THE WORLD 4M D PAST 4 R 5 YEARS. So no way to go beyond them.

Posted by raamvenky82 on (July 24, 2010, 5:51 GMT)

you are right VISUALDP,sanga just pointing that team should win against every country in each places then only they deserving no.1 spot just like aussies.so he just told made us play against ind,aus,s.a and we will try to win their and then only they able to reach no.1 just not like india playin only in home and winning the series.india should go to aus ,s.a many times to maintain no.1, not ask other teams to play in india and saying that we are eager to more play more tests to maintain no.1 spot,i tell u what every countries are to eager to play test in home.BE BOLD LIKE SANGA.i never heard that that australia and india series played in india consecutive times.Last series between aus and ind also played in india and also this november they are playing in india

Posted by ani. on (July 24, 2010, 5:39 GMT)

In Last 20 Series in last 5 years, India has just lost 4 Series . better record than any team

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 5:37 GMT)

Come on guys as the current ranking system stands if Sri lanka beat india 2-0 Sri lanka would top the rankings!!!!!!! Is that fair? I don't think so............... Indians should think about that before commenting on the fairness of the ranking system!!!!!!

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 5:30 GMT)

People just add comments without trying to understand the concept.What he's just tryng to emphasis is that current systm isnt fair enough. Iim sure he doesnt give a damn on these irrational comments.

Posted by Dr.Kanna on (July 24, 2010, 5:27 GMT)

For gods sake pls everyone understand that india has earned the no.1 spot only because of its consistent performance over the years . For those people who comment that india has not performed abroad , India has won against england , pakistan , newzealand etc in their own backward. Sanga mind u... U ppl have played hell a lot of matches in india and still you havent managed to win even one test.. India has managed to win a test in aus , SA , SL... I agree that we need a fair FTP. But indias no 1 position is justified since no other country has played better to earn that spot. SA lost to AUS and made a close shave against eng. Aus lost to SA n they r at the verge of losing against pak. India has not lost a series since 2007. Thats why they are no.1

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 5:24 GMT)

Sanga is talking as if Sri Lanka wins each test series both away and at home...Agreed dat at home..You are strong..But dat doesnt hide your away destructions...!! What's his story while playing Australia or South Africa or even us..While visiting???

Posted by Sach_is_Life on (July 24, 2010, 5:23 GMT)

For those of u who are pointing out that Indians cant take criticism..dont forget that ' When we point one finger at others we are pointing three fingers at ourself ' ..Aus cant even accept the fact that Howard is not the best candidate for ICC President..and every body can cry anything abt Team India or BCCI or IPL...and blame them literally for everything thats happening in Cricketing world..But we can't react..Huh..You guys won't accept that SRT or Murali are the best right now..u guys'll say that ICC ranking are farce becaz u're not No.1 but Indians cant react..Great..Keep'em coming..!

Posted by PuRe_oNe on (July 24, 2010, 5:22 GMT)

The ranking system must be looked upon and restructured again. A side wins and gets points, but it is important as well that whom the side is playing against? It MUST include the winning ratio against all the test playing nations. And in reply to Abhishek, Pakistan has loads of talent as well as loads of politics in their board as well, and when there is politics around, no performance or player counts. You don believe me, look at Younis Khan, Muhammad Yousaf, Asim Kamal, Faisal Iqbal... which are very very good players, especially in the test matches. Ravi Shastri gave Younis Khan the name of "Run Machine", but PCB has made all of the above mentioned "RAN" away from the team. You can't win unless you have the best in your side. India is lucky to have the batting greats like Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag and VU in their line up.

Posted by Sach_is_Life on (July 24, 2010, 5:17 GMT)

Bottom line is..No One talks if Aus or SA becomes No1 even though they didn't win a series in India..or SL..but when it comes to India..every one's ready 2 point out their lack of success in AUS n SA..but they dont care..that last 2 series down under and last one SA are close contests..with 1-1,1-2 in Aus and 1-2 in SA..with a lil luck they would have one atleast 2 out of 3 series..but we dont complain..and ofcourse no one cares India's success against Pak in Pak,Nz in NZ, vs Eng in Eng and vs WI in WI ..It took Aus morethan 30 yrs 2 win a series in Ind..even though they are undisputed blah blah blahs..But everybody wants India to win everywhere immediately..huh..wat a hypocrisy..!

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 5:16 GMT)

India claims No 1 spot... All of a sudden SANGA has problems with Ranking system??? How long has he been playing for again...!!!! Never thought of that before???? India was down at the bottom too but they worked their way out to the top. ONE TEST WIN DOESN"T MEAN MUCH MR. SANGAKARA...!!!!! Stop acting like a kid and learn to win like a man.....

Posted by Sach_is_Life on (July 24, 2010, 5:07 GMT)

Yeah..Whine baby Whine..No one talks when Aus are undisputed No 1 without winning a series in India ..No One cares..but when it is India's turn..everybody starts crying..No One says..Indians are undisputed No1s..We're Just No 1 that means we are better than all the other teams at this point..thats it..there ends the story...AUS dont have a spinner and their batters are big joke now a days..South Africans need fast bowling tracks to win matches..and half of their batsmen are out of form..Indians have top class batting line up and ordinary bowling line up...with only 2 top class bowlers.every team has its weak points and strong points..so is india.If Indians don't deserve to be No1 then no one else deserves it..In last 2 yrs ..India ust lost 1 test match..and they beat teams like Aus,SA,SL,NZ ..thats more than enough to be no1.

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 4:56 GMT)

lol Srilankan Cap says" ICC rankings a shit", does he feel beating India on wet ground after hv a friendly bating pitch for day 1.Indian made to world no. 1 after 10 years of struggle, its not become world no. 1 over night!u got a shit bating line up n speak to be no.1

Sangakara is out of his mind!India would reply this by 2st wins!Lankans hv attitude problem as always!now dont make Ramayana of test series

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 4:49 GMT)

Dear Sangha... why don't u stop complaining and start performing for your team. dear i knw as a caption dere is pressure o u to lift ur team bt dis wont do any better. Team India has always shown their criketing skills nd hav risen to dis position gradually, nt in a night time as u must be aware... losing 1 match against you don't entitle u to question the team. We backs our team. Team India Shines....

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 4:37 GMT)

Sanga is correct. Point system should be re-worked. May be Mr.Pawar will consider it. My two cents for consideration: 1. Win in away matches and series 2. Win against stronger or weaker teams 3. Innings defeats 4. Lesser points for frequent series like Ind-SL, Or points should be considered for ranking once a year i.e. only the first series of the year shall be considered for ranking 5. TEST Championship should be conducted Once in 2 years and should give more points than the bilateral wins (just like Grand Slam points in Tennis)

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 4:26 GMT)

You may criticize the ranking, but you have to think it doesn't comes by without winning games. Srilankans too is having home matches, why cant he think of getting there to NO:1 and then fire such a comment. Anyway nothing comes without effort and sanga as a national team's captian you have to admit indian camp's effort to come out as no:1, rather than playing negative tactics for on coming matches to your guest team...

Posted by zak123kaif on (July 24, 2010, 4:14 GMT)

So that sore loser Sangakkara who always falsely praises his team saying "we have a very good pace and spin attack".Seroiusly?Are there any other good bowlers in Sri lanka except Malinga and Murali?Now with Murali out of cricket scene we will see who is so called a good spinner in Sri lanka.Also with Malinga out of the next test Sri lanka bowling will be even poorer than Bangladesh and then India will beat them to pulp and tell the Sri lankans who the boss is and why India are the number 1 in test cricket.

Posted by jamrith on (July 24, 2010, 4:12 GMT)

As an Indian supporter, I never really believed that we could lay claim to being # 1 in Tests, it's just a statistical anomaly and one which will soon be rectified. After being whitewashed by Sri Lanka, we will lose to Australia in October and go tumbling down the rankings. Get real, guys, we have the weakest attack in the world now and our much-vaunted batting stars are aging and rusty. Sooner rather than later, the big 3 must retire, and the Rainas,Pujaras and Rohit Sharmas will find it impossible to measure up in Tests. Can you imagine how India would have fared against the Pakistani pace attack in England ? They wouldn't have been able to put bat to ball. Sorry, India's fortunes are going to plummet just like the West Indies did. Deal with it guys !!

Posted by Fauzer on (July 24, 2010, 4:12 GMT)

people, READ the article, sanga fully acknowledges that SL haven't played more tests away. he WANTS more tests away, and an overall fairer distribution of test matches between various countries. he is not even justifying SL's ranking or suggesting SL should be ahead of india.

i can't immagine a more valid, correct, and fair response to the question that was asked of him.

if you guys haven't noticed, sri lankans don't usually engage in off field tactics, unless provoked. and certainly against india, we have the best of relationship and indians don't need to take offence at all.

Posted by howizzat on (July 24, 2010, 4:12 GMT)

Sangakkera has all valid points. Keeping the rankings aside, A team can be crowned as NUMBER ONE when it wins against different countries, touring away. And for this to happen a strong FTP is needed. While arriving at rankings some ground rules like following should be made. 1. The team should play certain minimum number of tests to be eligible for Ranking. 2.Home and away advantages should be taken into consideration. 3.Quality of the match and the pitch should be taken into account while counting the points. 4.There should not be any value addition while playing against lowly placed Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. 5. Fair-Play should be rewarded.

Posted by Andrew_S on (July 24, 2010, 4:09 GMT)

In realtion to Sangakkara's suggestion that each test nation play each other home and away every two years - this is not feasible. There are currently 9 test playing nations with a pish to bring Zimbabwe back into the fold and add Ireland. To play each other home and away just once is a minimum eight tests a year, not to mention not providing for any decent sort of warmup program for away tests to adapt to the conditions - it would mean having to cut all series back to 1 or 2 tests which just would not work. The other problem is whether Sangakkara (and others) like it or not the reason Sri Lanka (and Bangladesh) does not play too many series in England, South Africa and Australia is financial - they don't have the same crowd pulling power in those markets that India, England, Australia, South Africa have - even the West Indies still have greater crowd pulling power due to their history and expectation that they will still entertain.

Posted by nk_sharma on (July 24, 2010, 4:00 GMT)

"Who deserves to be No. 1?" can not be decided by any committee of experts, considering points like capabilities, qualities, batting/bowling/fielding strengths, performance in spite of no. of injuries, nature of home&away pitches or in brief "pure qualitative analysis". Some quantitative method to be sorted out and that's what ICC has done. This takes into account the matches played in last few years. At this front India has not performed too bad to be questioned.

Posted by Aussasinator on (July 24, 2010, 3:57 GMT)

So who is No.1 today then according to Sangakkara?

Posted by Andrew_S on (July 24, 2010, 3:56 GMT)

For everyone criticising the no 1 ranking of India can you please suggest an alternative number 1 - Australia - lost most recent series in India and England and at home to South Africa; South Africa - failed to win in India, at home to England and lost at home to Australia; England - failed to win in South Africa, lost in the West Indies and India; Sri Lanka - lost in India, drew in Pakistan and haven't really played anyone of note apart from India in last 2-3 years (admittedly this is the issue Sangakkara has a problem with. Yes, India have a weak attack that perhaps is not becoming of a number1 nation but remember the ranking is not based on today's strength but performance over a period of time - and it is not that long ago that they had Kumble, Zaheer Khan was fit and performing and Sharma and Harbajhan Singh were performing better than currently.

Posted by sanjayad on (July 24, 2010, 3:50 GMT)

Hi everybody...Sanga has no issue with India or India's Ranking.He just shows India as a example.He just made suggestion.it's allows to all..

Posted by trueanalyst on (July 24, 2010, 3:41 GMT)

ICC's pont system is not proper as I do not believe Srilanka deserves to be at No.2 & wonder how it is at No.2 after managing to draw only 1 test against big 3 Aus,India & SF in their away series.India's No. 1position was due to its performance in the last 4 years & not due to the single test failure against Srilanka & it was due to the great man Kumble.If India loses another test it does not deserve to be No.1 & it will not be No.1.First check out the performances of top 3 , Iam not considering Srilanka who was blanked by Australia,Southafrica & India in their away series & you can see India deserves to be No.1 due to its earlier exploits.Srilanka with all its Sangakarra's & Jayawardenes were blasted out in T20 world cup by Australia's barrage of bouncers,So how is Sangakarra dreaming of winning in Aus & South Africa. Indians were also blasted out but they are the new crop .Inda's No. 1 position was due to its great batsmen & Anil Kumble & their future is not looking good .

Posted by Chappers85 on (July 24, 2010, 3:32 GMT)

Kumar Sangakkara is a 100% correct in saying the ranking system is flawed. Saying that, India are not going to last much longer at the pinnacle of test cricket, they lack the quality and technique to be there on a consistent basis. Based on their last outing, I need not say more. They were appalling! Well done Murali, you always had the Indians by the scruff of their neck. Just a reminder : Back in sharjah a while ago when India and SL were in a final. Ganguly said 'bring him on', his reaction to a journalist asking him how they were going to cope with Murali. India, I think, were all out for some 50 odd with Murali bagging 6 wickets or so! Hilarious, I think!

Posted by Praszzgsk on (July 24, 2010, 3:31 GMT)

Sanga is correct, it dosen't matter where india stands. Every country should get enough chances, that is why they are qualified to play Test Cricket. Aussies, England and South Africa also the same. See their records in Sub continent, that sometimes far below than Sri Lanka, Pakistan and india playing out of Sub continent. that is because they don't play well here. So they should be tested here as well, See Aussies lost to India last time, Even Pakistan is testing Aussies in england conditions.....

So for god's sake get a Fair FTP. Or else Cricket will loose its intrest in public.

Posted by Meety on (July 24, 2010, 3:29 GMT)

If SL win 3-0 they take the #1 spot & and India be 3rd!

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 3:27 GMT)

there is one more thing, when india wins rankings are updated in hours but when they lose the rankings are update weeks/months after.

Posted by Itchy on (July 24, 2010, 3:24 GMT)

Can't see where in this article Sanga is saying "India does not deserve to be no. 1 and SL deserve to be" but merely stating that there needs to be a better policy/protocol for all nations to play each other more regularly. The imbalance of test matches played by some nations over others (caused more by economic and political reasons) leads to an imperfect system at best. Sanga does admit that SL need to improve their performances away against SA, Aus and India so I'm baffled by what has annoyed so many (Indian) people. He is also responding to a question which makes it easy to take out of context.

I'm also laughing at the "dustbowl/dirt patch" references to Cairns and Darwin (where Aus have played SL recently) - these two cities are probably the wettest in Australia! Also cricket can be played there in Aus winter as it is warmer than anywhere else and is also in the dry season.

Posted by kiranvg on (July 24, 2010, 3:23 GMT)

Well ! I think India deserve to be at no.1 since last two times in dia went to australia or south afraica they where close to winining the series but they ended up in tied series.when Australia and south Afraica came to india We won the series so India desrves to be at no.1 its simple logic. I think Sangakara is wrong. Still 2 more tests to go Sangakara.

Posted by Meety on (July 24, 2010, 3:20 GMT)

@ Prajyoth Pradeep - why the hostility towards Oz? Most Oz cricketing fans want to see India do well, but now you are #1 - defend it meaningfully. It was interesting that SA who have a good record in India get to play a 2 Test series, why not 3 or 4?Judging by the range of comments in this blog it would appear that many non-australians (even Indians), are sceptical about the merits. @MRGUPTA said this was an severely depleted Indian side - I thought only Zaheer was unavailable??????? @RodStark - not bad but - I don't think Bang. should be #1 if they were to beat India. @qalandar4 - great point - sides do sometimes punch above their weight against other teams. I have followed Ind v Pakistan matches where on paper India should win 3-0, but Pak end up winning the series. NZ always push harder against Aust than any other team. @knowledge_eater - I don't think a championship would create more draws - I do agree that Test cricket is great the way it is.

Posted by V_Raju on (July 24, 2010, 3:17 GMT)

this is funny ... had is come from Ponting or Smith ... it would make sense ...

Sanga when did Sri Lanka win a single test match in Austria and South Afirca ? :)

There is definate something wrong with the system .... I am tired of watching India vs Sri Lanka all the time :( ..... India don't deserve No.1 ....

Posted by natmastak_so-called on (July 24, 2010, 3:13 GMT)

IND's rank 1 is not fluke nor they have bought it from icc. it is the result of continuous hard work INDIAN players r doing since last 10 years and esp look at their results in last 4 years which is there for everyone to see,in last 4 yrs IND has achieved more than any country & given consustent results,so guys stop ranting abt rank 1. & for ur info ,beating aus in aus is not a criterion for being rank 1,if it was then too except south africa ,noone has slightest of rights to waste precious space in comments section.

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 3:05 GMT)

Totally agree sanga.Sri Lanka haven't played a test in South Africa since 2001 december.that is one example how poor the ICC FTP is. sri lanka never get more than 2 matches in australia,even that is after a very long time. it's a shame

Posted by anujith.a on (July 24, 2010, 3:05 GMT)

Cricinfo please change the title of this article, you are taking Sanakkara's comments out of context. Kumar is NOT questing ICC Test rankings, he is asking for a fair FTP, so that the current ranking system will better reflect actual quality.

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 3:05 GMT)

The ICC test rankings have no value right now and when Test cricket goes dead in few years there will be no ICC test rankings anyway. So Sanga please relax... do your bit to get a good deal in the upcoming IPL auctions and forget about these stupid rankings. Do more with less... Get paid 5-10 times more by playing 3 hours than wasting your 5 days worth of time and energy.

Posted by Meety on (July 24, 2010, 2:58 GMT)

@Nampally - good idea to have away wins worth double points like soccer!

Posted by SuperTechnique on (July 24, 2010, 2:58 GMT)

Go on Sanga make all statements u want.This will only incite India more and they will hit back wid high vengeance

Posted by Meety on (July 24, 2010, 2:55 GMT)

BTW - there is plenty of time within a 5 yr window to play home & away tests against all the test playing nations including Bangers & Zim (maybe even Ireland), that is just under 12 tests per year. If 50/50 is limited to about 12 per yr & international 20/20 to about 6 per nation not including World Cups - I think the balance will become better. @Lancan - mate your a goose! I could argue that SL didn't want to come to Aus because Aussie batsmen love smashing Murali all round the park. The real reason is that SL tours to Australia are NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE. Playing in Darwin in theory should of been an advantage to SL as it is probably the most Asian pitch in the country - goes to show there will always be whingers under some rock somewhere in the world! @crici4india - mate Sanga a loser???? They just whupped India by 10 wickets. He was arguing that with more exposure to other conditions - maybe they will get better results. Question - what is India record in SL? 3 wins from 15!

Posted by vaidyar on (July 24, 2010, 2:42 GMT)

Of course its not fair. India has not won a series in Aus, SL or SA. But then neither of these teams have won a series in India. In fact SL has not won even a test in any of these countries, EVER. If Aus had won the series against India in 2009, or SA had won that series in India in Feb-March 2010, they would have been no.1. Also Aus should have invited someone other than Pak or WI. If everyone wanted only to get the no. 1 slot, they'd just be playing between the top 4-5 countries. And then all hell would again break loose.

As for Sanga's cribbing, please win a test outside your tailor made pitches and let's have this conversation then.

Posted by karthikfromchennai on (July 24, 2010, 2:38 GMT)

Thank God...Sri Lanka never won a single test match in India....else, he would have said SL is the no1 team in the world

Posted by hpsl on (July 24, 2010, 2:33 GMT)

Chaps !!!!! Read clearly, Sanga has not spoken a single word about India being the #1 team. IF IT IS, PLS QUOTE. He is a far more intelligent to not to raise the issue that way. See, if Sri Lanka can end up this series 2-0 or better ( I think they have a fair chance of doing that) do you know that Sri Lanka will end up on the top of the list of Reliance Test Cricket Ratings.... LOL !!!! He is too canny a person than you think.. IMHO, the rankings give you an idea on how good a team performed during the current year and of course it includes a lesser portions from two last years. So no body should compare the #1 team with the all time greats. I cannot understand why even Sanga does not see it that way. See, in three years time, it is impossible to play with AUS,SA and ENG unless you are one them. So the requirement of winning a match/series in these countries is not a mandatory requirement for being #1. BUT, I agree 200% giving more weight to Away wins/home losses !!!!!

Posted by Sussie on (July 24, 2010, 2:30 GMT)

Oh no! What are you thinking Sanga? If Sri Lanka played more games in Aussie, England, South Africa, NZ, etc you wouldn't have such high averages and Murali would never have got to 800 wickets! Stay quiet, keep your careers!

Posted by Meety on (July 24, 2010, 2:18 GMT)

@visualdp - right on matey.

Posted by visualdp on (July 24, 2010, 1:35 GMT)

I think SANGA making very good point here. Some of the comments here are criticized that Sanga is telling that, India is not deserves to be No1. No its not friends. Look closely whats he pointing out. Simply he is saying every Test playing nation should play more tests than they are doing now in each part of every ones territory in the world. He clearly pointing out SL should play & win in SA,IND & AUS. Also India should play in other countries & win. Even SA & AUS play in other countries too. I couldn't understand why lot of Indian people blaming to him, its might be because of the way his article is written........ Please think more guys....

Posted by Meety on (July 24, 2010, 1:14 GMT)

Test matches need to be the pinnacle of the game, with all the test nations playing between 8 & 12 tests per year over a balanced FTP. I would like to see useless ODI comps abolished - like the recently completed Aus v Eng, the 50/50 world cup is a great comp to decide a world champ. 20/20 should be limited to a world cup every FOUR years, and other 20/20 games can be provincial/franchise based. This would create a better mix between demand and supply, (Supply being fully fit elit players).

Posted by Meety on (July 24, 2010, 1:09 GMT)

@Flighted Kiwi - I agree 100% re: "engage their brain". Sanga is a very intelligent cricketer, and his opnions are usually spot on. I don't believe the ratings formulae is near accurate. Their are too many anomolies, I am an Aussie and I think are Australia should be 3rd or equal 2nd with India behind Sth Africa. I think the Saffers are the best team all up in all conditons. India are nearly impossible to beat in India, but I think are quite lame outside the sub-continent. The Rankings have India @ no 1 for their good consistency over the last 4 years. I think the ratings need to include only the most recent home and away series. Since Oz is going to play India in India again the previous Indian series should be erased, whilst the last series between Oz & India in Australia still count for points. Also their needs to be a title fight every time the title holder plays. Like in Boxing, the defending champion puts his belt on the line every time he fights.

Posted by cricpolitics on (July 24, 2010, 0:54 GMT)

All hell breaks out if you say something against India. Look at the barrage of comments from Idians. Let it go for God's sake.....there are other countries playing cricket too not just India.

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 0:31 GMT)

Thankyou Sangakara to mention this, many people do agree with you, I already said that some where too. India is just over-rated team in worlds ranking, they haven't played that many games outside their country, to win matches at home is easy job, anyone can do it !!, you are really tested in different pitches and conditions, when you play away games like in Australia, England, South Africa etc...Indian team doesn't have quality or strength to be 1st in the world, its just fake label which will be rubbed off, sometimes I have sympathy with their fans, they live in dreams, come on just wake up...

Posted by   on (July 24, 2010, 0:20 GMT)

It is a really good issue by Sangakkara. Does India have the right to be at No.1 position? Is that the bowling line up for a top ranking team has in Test Cricket?

Posted by Lancan on (July 24, 2010, 0:13 GMT)

@Shikhar Ahuja: you must be joking to include SA and AUS as places Sri Lanka has played "enough" for ranking? Here's a stat for all of you. Mahela has been playing for the SL team over 17 years, and yet he has only played "4", yes that FOUR test matches in Australia (that too in timbuktoo dust bowls). That should tell you how much SL have played there. It should also give some idea as to why he has more centuries @ home (BTW 4 those of U who have memory issues, he has scired 100s in other places including ENG). I agree SL has a poor record overseas, but give them more chances and they will get better. I can almost guarantee that Aussies will give us tests not, since Murali is retired! Unless they are shitting in their pants seeing what Malinga does, & having been blown to pieces by PAKS!

Posted by UnnySan on (July 23, 2010, 23:58 GMT)

I DONT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH SANGAKKARA'S COMMENTS AND IT REFLECTS THE WAY TEST CRICKET HAS BEEN DEALT WITH FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY MURALI'S RECORD WILL BE THERE FOR SO MANY YEARS. CURRENT FIXTURES CANT ACCOMMODATE EACH TEAM TO PLAY A HOME AND AWAY SERIES WITHIN 2 YEARS, 3 YEARS IS REASONABLE AND PRACTICAL AND WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL THE WORLD CUPS AND CHAMPIONS TROPHY AT THE SAME TIME.AS HE SAYS A FAIR SYSTEM SHOULD GIVE MORE POINT TO THOSE WINNING HOME AWAY SERIES. BUT ONE THING I CANT UNDERSTAND IS WHEN AUSSIES WERE RANKED NO1 WITHOUT A WIN FOR 30 ODD YEARS AGAINST INDIA IN INDIA SANGAKKARA HASNT HAD ANY ISSUES. WHEN ENGLAND WAS RUNNING THE ICC, THEY HAVE DONE WHATEVER THEY WANT AND NO ONE HAS COMMENTED AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE SUB CONTINENT, EVERY ONE GOT ISSUES.

IF SANGAKKARA IS SERIOUS, HE HAS TO TELL THE LANKAN BOARD TO STOP THE ABSURDITY OF INFINITE INDIA- LANKA SERIES.

Posted by cric4india on (July 23, 2010, 23:42 GMT)

Sangakkara is among the sorest of losers in world sport. He should have never thought of indulging in this matter when his team has never managed drawing matches in Australia, leave alone sniff victories while India have been the only team in post 2000 to have troubled Aus in Aus, SL has never won even in India. Chapter close. By the way, which team should be no. 1? Aus are on the verge of losing to Pak now. The system is prtty fair. India have not just sprung up to no. 1! It has been the result of 10 years' hard work!

And yes, wring the neck of the guy who asked this question to Sangakkara!

Posted by abhishek40958 on (July 23, 2010, 23:26 GMT)

In reply to Kinta ....i think js check the record of Indian team in recent past...they have only lost 1 test in their last 17 matches...n even if they dnt have high quality fast bowlers (like PAK have bt still rated at NO 6) even then they managed to pick up20 wickets in the test matches...god kbnows wat would haoppen if this current INDIAN side had fast bowlers of the ranks of AAMER and ASIf and GUl surely they would have been INVICIBLES!!!!!!!

Posted by maddy20 on (July 23, 2010, 23:03 GMT)

When was the last time Srilanka has won a forget test series not even a test in Australia, India and South Africa? Winning one match and then mocking the opposition has become a routine these days. India came close to winning a test series in Australia but Man of the Match(steve bucknor) had turned the tide in Australia's favor!

Posted by californian on (July 23, 2010, 23:00 GMT)

The timing of sanga's comments are perfect .This has nothing to do with India's present ranking. He is aware if Sri Lanka wins one more test and draws the other. Sri Lanka will be the no1 rank. "Which captain will say we don't deserve to be no1 when the team is no 1" He is making his point in advance. so sri lanka gets more test matches overseas .He is indirectly saying if sri lanka's gets no 1 rank after this series it won't be accurate (Let us leave India's No 1 Rank alone ) without playing at least a 3 test series home & away among all test playing nations .He is making use of sri lankas own high ranking to make his case strong & clear .He wants it to be a fair challenge for all with equal home and away games for the future. To my Indian friends, India has a great team and possibly the best batting line up in the world. Sanga's asking for all the players to exposed to different playing conditions on an equal basis! Way to go.

Posted by Priyank on (July 23, 2010, 22:37 GMT)

Rank 1 for India doesn't mean that, India is the best team. Given the criteria of the ICC ranking system, this team does better than other teams.

Could anyone here suggest any ranking system without any downsides? It is easy to say "extra weightage" should be given when played outside country. Say, if we accept it, how much extra weightage should be given? Will it change from country to country? Will it change depending on the weather conditions the match is played in? I am just pointing out the nuances of designing a fair system.

My point is, propose any system, we can come up with tons of downsides. So, there is really no point commenting the system. Correct me if I am wrong.

Posted by RobTay14 on (July 23, 2010, 22:27 GMT)

I agree, and the same goes for New Zealand, how are we supposed to improve our rankings when we get hardly any test playing time compared to the likes of England, Australia and India. Another good point he bought up is the lack of test cricket, I feel that the true cricket fans around the world want more test cricket, we are all sick of one day stuff, including the players, for there is far more depth to it and the players can really 'test' their limits.. But you know what, the ICC have stopped caring about the true fans, all they now care about is gaining revenue, it is truly truly sad how cricket is turning out, because there is nothing better in the world than a great game of TEST cricket, and I think even the ICC know that..

Posted by VijayVK on (July 23, 2010, 22:26 GMT)

Agree with sanga point to change icc tes ranking but did not agree that india does not deserve this. India consistently winning matches both home and abroad last 2-3 years. And srilanka does not win single test match in last 15 years in SF, AUS or India. Even in england their record is very bad. And now with murali retired SL might find difficult to win even in their home soil.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 22:20 GMT)

Shows the need for a Test championship played over a two to four year period. Two divisions of eight nations, including the best associates (Ireland, Scotland, Netherlands, Afghanistan, Kenya and one other) with promotion and relegation. It may even make test match cricket more commercially saleable in countries where it is played in empty grounds.

Posted by Mazza101 on (July 23, 2010, 22:19 GMT)

Sangakkara is correct. He was answering a question and at no point does he complain that SriLanka should be rated higher. The fact is that since Australia has come back to the pack after losing some players to retirement, the top 3-4 test nations are all quite close. This probably means that SA, IND, SRI and AUS will win home series and lose away series. The kicker to this is that some of the other nations are gathering strength and will also have a chance of stealing Test matches wins away from home. I think this is proven by Pakistan and England, who now seem to be playing with a harder edge and extra confidence since Andy Flower took over. A Test Championship seems the best way of addressing the rising popularity of 20/20 cricket . Ashes 2005 and India 2001 were the best cricket I have seen - both test series - and tightly contested. A championship does not ensure good tight cricket will be played but I does mean the nations play each other regularly.

Posted by Attractivue on (July 23, 2010, 22:01 GMT)

Flighted_kiwi, this is how Indians react to criticism. You don't praise them, they start swearing at you, you praise them, they start flying even higher in their lala land.

Indian supporters need to listen with open minds. Sangakara, is simply answering to the questions he has been asked about the rankings.

When India became number 1, honestly they were not like Aussies when they were no1. South Africa has beaten every team in their opponent's home soil and so have Australia. India on the other hand, feeds on its on home soil!

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 21:57 GMT)

It is often said with a lot of sneer that India has not won series in Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka etc since whenever, and I personally think that is lazy journalism. Because while it is true that India has not won SERIES overseas, they have won TEST MATCHES consistently outside of the sub-continent in the last decade. India is the only country that matched Australia IN Australia when Australia was at its peak - look at the head to head result from 1999 to 2009 between India and Australia. In fact, I am willing to go out on a limb and say that India has been the most consistent in the world in the last four years for winning test matches in 'foriegn' conditions. So please stop all this. The truth is that over the last three years, India has been the best cricketing team in the world, if only just. One Malinga-inspired win in Galle won't change the.

Posted by BillyCC on (July 23, 2010, 21:55 GMT)

I have always seen the current Test rankings as a form guide to how the nations have gone over the last two or three years. As a result, India do deserve their number one ranking because they haven't lost a series in this time while all other sides have been beaten at least once.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 21:53 GMT)

Who is Sangakkara to question India's rank when his own team fares poorly abraod, India has been competitive in last 10 years 'EVERYWHERE' & i think this talk about getting equal number of matches is not on. First perform then demand for more matches. And there is always this commercial aspect of the game which you gotta take down your throat. India, Australia, England, South Africa are the big 4 and they will keep having most matches because their series fetch money

Posted by SangakaraFan on (July 23, 2010, 21:49 GMT)

Howcome Australia gets free ICC ranking points by playing WI & Pakistan so often. They don't deserve to be No.2. by only beating a crappy pakistan team and WI all the time and I am also suprised to see pakistan above WI & bangladesh even after losing every test series.

Posted by Jarr30 on (July 23, 2010, 21:33 GMT)

Only team that Sri Lanka beats OUTSIDE S.Lanka is Bangladesh & pakistan. They should be in Bottom 4 in ICC rankings with pakistan,Bangladesh & WI. Sangakarra with one win over India, suddenly feels their team is the best in the world. hahaha..

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 21:11 GMT)

well as long as india does well............this is just dhoni second loss as a test caption....so india has been doing consistantly well.........so not winning in places doesnt matters.........as long as a team does particularly well in whichever place the get and oppurtunity to play.......forget past...as long as the team does consistancly well in the oppurtunities...in the future...and yes every test playing nation should get equal number of test matches to prove their worth

Posted by allblue on (July 23, 2010, 20:56 GMT)

Here's a plan. A First Division of Test cricket consisting of 8 teams competing over a 4 year cycle. They all play each other home and away in 3 Test series, i.e. 42 Tests every 4 years. 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw. 2 bonus pts for series win, 1 pt for series draw. At the end you have a clear winner, and the team finishing last has play-off with winner of Division 2 (Bangla, Zim, Holland, Ireland etc) for the 8th spot in the following championship. 'Iconic' 4 or 5 Test series could still take place, but only the first 3 would count towards the Championship. Fixtures laid out clearly in advance, ODIs, World Cup, IPL etc could all be properly accommodated. What's more, every match would be significant, and of interest to other team's supporters as there would be a clear league table where every result mattered. Lots of high intensity matches, and a definitive Champion team at the end. TV would love it. Dream on!

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 20:52 GMT)

FTP=Future Tour Programme...............i think so...may be some one else can confirm it....

Posted by McGorium on (July 23, 2010, 20:42 GMT)

Sanga's problem is that he shoots his mouth off too much. As this article states, SRL deserves to be #2 as much as India deserves to be #1 (by that I mean neither do). The problem with test cricket right now is that there isn't a dominant side. SRL can't bat on bouncy tracks and with Murali's departure, is slightly low on bowling strength in foreign conditions. Ind has a substandard bowling attack (esp when Zaheer is absent). Aus has similar issues in the bowling department, and even the batting is a little thin (Only Ponting and Hussey) and SAF batting is its weak link (Kallis, Amla and Smith). Personally, #1 should be SAF, and #2 is a toss-up between Ind and Aus, with Aus having a slight advantage due to a better bowling attack. SRL need to be able to win games in SAF and Aus before they can deserve a position in the top 3.

Posted by thejuskrishna on (July 23, 2010, 20:41 GMT)

Dear Sanga, Indians have been playing much better test cricket than any of the other nations for the past 5-6 years. Finest examples are India v Australia - 04 under Ganguly where India made it 1-1 (nearly 2-1, but Steve Waugh stood like a rock in Sydney in his final test) when all other countries (including Sri Lanka) were not even gaining a first innings lead against the Oz at that time. The next example will be India in SA where Sreesanth destroyed them in a game even though they lost the next 2. Indians also beat NZ at their own backyard. Indians won against the Oz at home twice in 9 years and the recent one beating them by 2-0. Also they beat Oz in Perth. Did SL play any kind of amazing cricket at home against the Oz or SA? Just a single win, that too at home and against a depleted bowling attack, never make a great team! Try and prove it in your next match. That too without your king of spin, MM! Cheers Thejus

Posted by Paki.Fan. on (July 23, 2010, 20:38 GMT)

No comments on the ranking, but a fair FTP is a must, some teams gets only 2 tests while some play 5 test series, this is quite unfair.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 20:36 GMT)

I second his thoughts... enough said..

Posted by Kazakhstan on (July 23, 2010, 20:33 GMT)

Please attention all, kindly do notbe geliosed from great Lankan's victory with allmy Heart we salute Magical Murli... Minimum Harbajhan never can reach tohis shadow I believe.

Posted by Chatha-empire123 on (July 23, 2010, 20:26 GMT)

India were slaughtered in the first test match and will lose the series too. maybe 2-0 or 2-1 or who knows 3-0. I agree with Sangarkara. Every team need to play each other at home or away in 2 years. India need to worry about themselves. The first problem is their bowling. They don't have quality bowlers. Sehwag is probably the best bowler in the whole team. The second problem is that when their best players are going to retire like Dravid, Tendulkar, and Laxman who will they replace them with. They are getting old. Look at Pakistan they tried two new batsman Azhar Ali and Umar Amin. Azhar ali did well so far. Pakistan found a good solid batsman in Azhar ali. And Umar did fine so far. India need to try Raina, Rohit, or Kholi in test matches in place of maybe Laxman.

Posted by Flighted_kiwi on (July 23, 2010, 20:14 GMT)

I can't believe some of the mindless comments made here and wish people would engage their brain before they write. Where in this article is Sangakarra being jealous, petulant or cocky? Where does he say that Sri Lanka are better than India? He is simply responding to a question about the ranking system and makes some good points. For a system like this to be fair there needs to be a tour programme where sides play all others home and away on a roughly equal basis. At present some will get better than others simply because of more exposure to test cricket than others. The 'lesser test nations' often get just 2 match series at the start or end of a season when weather conditions are potentially worst. Others get 4 match series with the best of conditions and facilities. If you want 10 strong test nations then the system needs an overhaul. If you just want 3-4 nations to dominate then leave it as it is. But don't shoot down an experienced cricketer for voicing a valid opinion.

Posted by AusTa on (July 23, 2010, 20:12 GMT)

Definitely something wrong with this ranking system. otherwise how on earth this poor Indian team on the top of the ranking?

Posted by CRKS on (July 23, 2010, 20:11 GMT)

Before this test match against srilanka... India has lost only one test in last 17 matches

Posted by Shajadul on (July 23, 2010, 20:03 GMT)

Sangakar came up with something which must be focused.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 19:58 GMT)

very good point sanga ... look at Pakistan how do you rate them when they play only one test series a year

Posted by S.N.Singh on (July 23, 2010, 19:55 GMT)

I AGREE WITH SANGAKKARA THAT THEY ARE PLAYING LESS TEST CRICKET AND THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM OF STANDING. WHY SHOULD AUSTRALIA AND ENGLAND ALONE BE ALLOWED TO PLAY 5 FIVE DAYS TESTS MATCHES. PREVIOUSLY THE 5 MAJOR TEAM USED TO PLAY 5 FIVE DAYS UNTIL CHANGED BY THE ICC. I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD ARRANGE MORE 5 DAYS TEST CRICKET AND PLAY LESS 20/20 AND 50 OVERS. THESE PLAYERS NEED TO HAVE SOME REST PLAYING CRICKET TODAY AND NOT KILLING THEMSELVES FOR THE ICC PROFITING. CRICKET TODAY IS LIKE AN EMPLOYMENT, WITH UNIONS AND INDIVIDUAL MANAGERS ? THIS CREATE A PROBLEM FOR THE UNIONS, MANAGERS AND ALWYERS. ETC. & S.N.SINGH, U S A

Posted by Narayan on (July 23, 2010, 19:53 GMT)

Having said what I said earlier, the current bowling line India has is such a joke that it is hard to digest "Is this the top ranked team?" Really? Are you sure? What India is doing now has not yielded the top rank. What India did over the past 9 years gave that result, in a slow, dramatic, assured, manner. It feels as if all the hard work of 9-10 years will go away in a couple of years if we continue to bowl this way....

Posted by atif.isb on (July 23, 2010, 19:52 GMT)

Somebody needs to tell Mr. Sangakara, he has not conquered the top post in cricket just by winning against India. I think if India gives them a hard response in next match, he would simply zip his 32 inside.

Posted by _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on (July 23, 2010, 19:50 GMT)

Guys for once,just for once, will most of you put u'r own emotions aside and realise what exactly Sanga is trying to say. He NEVER ONCE said that Sri Lanka deserve their rank, he said flat out that the FTP and the ranking system is not set up properly. He along with me and several fans know that there is no way Sri Lanaka can equally claim to be #1 even if they do get the rank under the current system. I personally think they are even further away from justifying the rank than Ind is. @qalandar4, I agree with u completely for the most part. I think too that no team will be able to confidently claim being #1, even if they have the #1 rank under the current system or any similar system due to the parity of 3-5 teams at the moment. I think a CHAMPIONSHIP should be introduced in order to put more meaning into the issue. Semis n a final (based on a better seedings) home and away or on a neutral ground will add the proper spice and help sort out the matter n Away wins should carry mo weight.

Posted by Narayan on (July 23, 2010, 19:47 GMT)

Sanga, I have always been a fan of your writing. Even now, I don't want to disagree with you, for your statement was just an answer to yet another journalist who wants to spring up controversy. But, come on - if there is a ranking system, somebody needs to be ranked first. The only team that fulfills the criteria pre-2007-Australia and no current team has won so convincingly all over the world. Let alone in Aus, SA - it is very very surprising to me that SL is yet to win a test in India, given the similar subcontinental pitches. Its great that cricket has now 5 close competitors for the top spot and all we can do is to enjoy this competition. It is so by chance that India have played a lot of test matches, won against a considerable number of teams and achieved the first spot, after about 10 years of hard work. Let us not take away credit from Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Laxman, Kumble, Harbhajan, Zaheer and co. They deserve it!

Posted by Echi on (July 23, 2010, 19:43 GMT)

Mr.Sangagkara is requesting a fair system for everybody and he is not trying to blame ICC for putting India on top. However, when going through the some comments for this article it is sad to see some people do not understand the concept. More importantly frustration of India loosing a test comes in front takes it very personaly when trying to understand the fact of a system. Therefore, Dear redears please forgive people who are hurt since India lost as the time is not right for them to understand anything at this point of time . Let us see whether they understand this point if India wins the next test as claimed by a person. Till them please please forgive.

Posted by Narayan on (July 23, 2010, 19:42 GMT)

Sanga, I have always been a fan of your writing. Even now, I don't want to disagree with you, for your statement was just an answer to yet another journalist who wants to spring up controversy. But, come on - if there is a ranking system, somebody needs to be ranked first. The only team that fulfills the criteria pre-2007-Australia and no current team has won so convincingly all over the world. Let alone in Aus, SA - it is very very surprising to me that SL is yet to win a test in India, given the similar subcontinental pitches. Its great that cricket has now 5 close competitors for the top spot and all we can do is to enjoy this competition. It is so by chance that India have played a lot of test matches, won against a considerable number of teams and achieved the first spot, after about 10 years of hard work. Let us not take away credit from Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Laxman, Kumble, Harbhajan, Zaheer and co. They deserve it!

Posted by knowledge_eater on (July 23, 2010, 19:26 GMT)

Championship will create Tons of Draws, people are excited right now, but they have no idea it will create timeless draws. People will play either very aggressive or very negatively defensive. Nothing is wrong with Test Cricket. Best way is to fix schedule over 2.5 years or less and do rotations. 3 tests is the perfect number. The main problem is not with ICC. The problem is with the respective board and their sponsors. If India maintains number 1 spot by end of this year where they play SA, then please accept it. India is becoming new punching bag since they started to win. It is good thing in sports rivalry. It is acceptable. Being number 1 is very easy but staying their is the hardest thing to do. However, questing suddenly out of blue, India's #1 is insult to all hard work being started by Ganguli/Kumble and its being continued by Sachin/Dravid/Dhoni/Sehwag/Zak/Bhajj and co. Its not fair at all. Thank you for raising concern and now try to win without Murali. Peace

Posted by Passion_4_Cricket on (July 23, 2010, 19:24 GMT)

Sangakkara;s point is 100% right but it would have been better if someone like Andrew Strauss Or Graeme Smith would have talked about it. Because, these two team beside Australia, Have the confidence to win a test at anywhere in the world. I am sure, India Will not do any better in this series as their Bowling is not good enough to pick 20 SL wickets.. The Next test could be draw if rest of SL spinners proved weaker to attack Indian Batting. MS Dhoni's Gambling honeymoon with Cricket could be over as he is busy with his marital honeymoon.

And Everyone talking about two grade between the test teams. Its Certainly true that Bottom 5 nations are not enough competitive. But Don't count Pakistan at the bottom. why? point 1) They have played least number of tests in last 3yrs among all 9 test playing countries. But when ever they played, They had some competitiveness through their performance, They Beat, NZ last year. Did well in SL and AUS although they were at the loosing side.

Posted by shreeshakk on (July 23, 2010, 19:24 GMT)

Agreed that India lost the match badly but it did not deserve to be called 'non-deserving' at No.1. Starting from Kolkata 2001, Headingly 2002, Adelaide 2003, Pakistan 2004, WestIndies 2006, SouthAfrica 2006-2007, England 2007 Australia 2007-2008 India showed great consistency in Test Cricket. Name any other team apart from Australia who have shown this type of consistency for nearly a decade.

Probably SriLanka should get more chances to prove and reach No.1 if they can. Then atleast Sanga will not have any opportunities to speak like this.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 19:23 GMT)

Today only did he get a wake up due to galle win. It's purely annoying. Aus have been hold NO.1 position since bit long time. He didn't worry about the icc ratings at the time. Now he worried a lot about the ICC ratings/pointings. It sounds like he got jealous on Indian Team. Nowadays he is giving any messages daily. I don't think he reached any milestones in his own batting career, but still he has a big mouth. Will see how long would it go. Anyway he has to relay on Kings XI for $'s.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 19:22 GMT)

Valid Point by Sangakara !!

Posted by batmannrobin on (July 23, 2010, 19:22 GMT)

oh boy..As several readers have pointed out where was sanga when the rankings had them @ No-2. Aus have lost to Eng, Ind n SA recently n got bowled out for 88, SA lost recent tests to India and Eng by an innings, SL got hammered in India recently 2-0 and both by an innings.So if India dont deserve, which of these teams deserve the No-1 ranking? If not spectacular, India possess a decent record since the start of the 2000-01 series against OZ ( The VSS series) , winning series in every country except Oz ( if not 4 Bucknor cud ve done that 2) n SA where they atleast won tests something Sanga seems to easily overlooked and they havent won in India either. And also Sanga, India won series in Eng, NZ, WI where SL managed only to draw. And this loss was just the second since MSD became captain.Noone is gonna compare them to the 80s WI and 90sOZ sides but they definitely deserve their No1 ranking as their record is better than all sides during the 3 year period on which rankings r based

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 19:21 GMT)

Mr.Sanga...You have won one match because of M&M.It makes u to speak like King without sword.In that 2 M's One M is retired.Lets see who will win the next match.Another point,If you are not playing that much cricket outisde then it's ur fault not India or AUS or SA fault.Just concentrate on the next match....

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 19:20 GMT)

Sanga im agree with you........... Ranking is a number. It is not truly measure Team's or player's talent.

Posted by Lancan on (July 23, 2010, 19:19 GMT)

@Shikhar Ahuja: you must be joking to include SA and AUS as places Sri Lanka has played "enough" for ranking? Here's a stat for all of you. Mahela has been playing for the SL team over 17 years, and yet he has only played "4", yes that FOUR test matches in Australia (that too in timbuktoo dust bowls). That should tell you how much SL have played there. It should also give some idea as to why he has more centuries @ home (BTW 4 those of U who have memory issues, he has scired 100s in other places including ENG). I agree SL has a poor record overseas, but give them more chances and they will get better. I can almost guarantee that Aussies will give us tests not, since Murali is retired! Unless they are shitting in their pants seeing what Malinga does, & having been blown to pieces by PAKS!

Posted by shreeshakk on (July 23, 2010, 19:18 GMT)

Agreed that India lost the match badly but it did not deserve to be called 'non-deserving' at No.1. Starting from Kolkata 2001, Headingly 2002, Adelaide 2003, Pakistan 2004, WestIndies 2006, SouthAfrica 2006-2007, England 2007 Australia 2007-2008 India showed great consistency in Test Cricket. Name any other team apart from Australia who have shown this type of consistency for nearly a decade.

Probably SriLanka should get more chances to prove and reach No.1 if they can. Then atleast Sanga will not have any opportunities to speak like this.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 19:15 GMT)

when india beat you guys 2-0 in india last year. we didn't see comments from dhoni saying "sri lanka should not be number 2 team" you just win one match and you this? think about your other problems. what are you going to do without murali?

Posted by Sanki88 on (July 23, 2010, 19:12 GMT)

Sanga has been trying to point these things out for a very long time. We all know that the rankings are not right, either they do it right or not do it at all. Sri Lanka only has 5 tests this year while ashes only got 5. There must be fairness, top sides should play against each other every once in a while.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 19:12 GMT)

There is no point in questioning the rankings be Sangakkara.... their test record ouside Sri lanka is very pathetic...as lon as i can remember they have alwasy lsot the tests in India South Africa and Australia and that too very badly....

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 19:06 GMT)

Mr. Sangakara, Don't even think about winning a series, think about winning a test match in India.. remember Murali is retired.. and I think now you can't even dream about winning a series in Australia/South Africa.. Any way good luck for the next match, then you can talk b***

Posted by klobania on (July 23, 2010, 19:05 GMT)

@ divanshu kaushik man come on n wake up plz let the lane excuses for dhoni that wicket was good only for day 1 then how herath n malinga blasted on day 3 the same day where indian batting line up collapsed even on day 5 srilankan openers showed their class when indian captain failed to create any impressions i totally agree with sanga

Posted by sacricketlegend on (July 23, 2010, 19:03 GMT)

The rankings are a complete farce. How can a win by an innings and 175 runs be worth the same number of ratings points as a win by 2 runs?

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 19:03 GMT)

sanga bro i like u more now......you always make fair points......

Posted by chandau on (July 23, 2010, 19:02 GMT)

The heading has caused grievance to Indians, when in fact Sanga was answering a question from the press!! Somehow as always the Indian fans seem to miss the point. It is not about who is #1, but how it is decided. eg. Warne played similar no of tests as Murali but retired 2 years before him and was banned for 2 years. Aus and End play each other so much and so does SA but how often do we SL Ind PAk play tests? if no for this 3 match series SL will play against WI 3 matches. When was the last time Sl went to WI, Eng, Aus, SA? someone said we played more with Bangladesh. Well mate we were lucky they offered them to us otherwise our boys wud not have any, just like Ind offering this series. Instead of castigating the man the 3rd world of Ind, Pak, Bang, SL, WI shud band together and demand from Aus, Sa, Eng, NZ, more test matches on a home/ away basis every 2 years. Otherwise the same old network will remain and we would lose the chance to see some good cricket.

Posted by Sherry35 on (July 23, 2010, 19:00 GMT)

very valid point sangakarra, totaly agreed....

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 18:56 GMT)

okay. if you wanna find out who's the best. Let them play against each other in South Africa, I mean Indian and Srilanka playing a test series in South Africa, Or Australia,

Its So clear that Srilankans way ahead than india when they play in home, as so as india playing there home, so let them play abroad..

dont bother about ranking too much... rank shows good recent performances n NOTHING ELSE.

Posted by luwieg on (July 23, 2010, 18:53 GMT)

i think most of you guys are missing the point. Sanga is not questioning Indias No 1 ranking.i given the affinity between the 2 boards and the 2 teams i doubt very much he would even insinuate such a thing. he's merely pointing out that the ranking system is convoluted and more importantly that unless you actually have a balanced FTP the rankings won't be meaningful.It doesn't matter where the country you support is ranked what he says makes sense.

Posted by cricpolitics on (July 23, 2010, 18:47 GMT)

eV37c

We are not discussing IT here so you don't have to confuse FTP with file transer protocol. By the way IT stands for Information Technology, I thought I explained it cleary so that you don't confuse it with Indian Technology. hahahahha.

Posted by GrayTalks on (July 23, 2010, 18:44 GMT)

SANGA is Right, ICC Should Adopt The FIFA System or IRB Ranking System They Are Much Complicated But It Give You a Much More Advanced Point System Than The ICC's Current One.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 18:41 GMT)

No worries now no more ,MUrali will play test matches now ICC will think to give more matches to play in South Africa, Australia and england... for srilanka.. beca murali will not take any more test wikets in there home soil. Icc full craps... useles.

just wait and see guyssss... good luck Icc now no murali...in test. a great spiner all time... Icc if possible give more test matche for swan with the help of your own Aampares to achive murali records..they can do that...

Posted by Zahidsaltin on (July 23, 2010, 18:41 GMT)

FOR 90% of non indians, Australia still is the best cricket team in the world. Why so? because no one cares what ICC rankings say as these ranking system is flawed and soesn't tell the whole story. There are not many outside india who will think that India is an exciting team. they are champions of dull wickets where with every ball dust flys to batsmans face. Some one suggesting that indian wickets are same as those in SL is just blind. Anyways I agree with Sanga that every team should be allowed to play same no. of games at home & away.

Posted by cricpolitics on (July 23, 2010, 18:38 GMT)

Let's accept the fact that a better team has beaten a very ordinary looking team, e.g. India. At least Sri Lankan board has not forced anyone to convert one day series to a test match series on their home soil as India did with South Africans and now with Australia in October. As Harsha Bhogl rightly said in his article India looks everything but a number 1 team. These rankings don't mean anything. If you don't believe it just look around and see that Australians are still called the champions. I wonder why no one is calling Idians the champions. I see a 2-0 in favor of Sri Lanka. Get ready for aother shock Indians.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 18:37 GMT)

Going by Sanga's Comments let us see what srilanka has done away from home in last 5 years ,They have played 21 tests won 7, 4 against Bangladesh,1 each against west Indies,England and Newzeland.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 18:36 GMT)

I agree with qalandar4. Aus have won all series in SA whilst losing in ENG and IND. SA have done better than AUS against IND and ENG. SA have won in AUS which no other team has done.

So if it boils down to SA v AUS for the top spot, I would say AUS No.1 and SA No.2 going by past series.

No.3/No.4 would be occupied by ENG and any one of IND/PAK/SRI(these 3 are equal in my opinion - how IND fares well in SA this Dec will be the key, this is a very important tour for IND and they may well be the right No.1 if they WIN IN SA.) Although with the current seam attack that IND possess I don't see this happening. Zaheer & Ishant are vital.

NZ & WI have nothing much to write home about though NZ would be ahead of WI.

Posted by BanBouncers on (July 23, 2010, 18:33 GMT)

Don't worry Sanga, just beat India 2-0 or 3-0, Sri Lanka will be No. 1 in the rankings !

Posted by ShaliJ on (July 23, 2010, 18:33 GMT)

Sanga I am 100% agree with you.This world rating system is terrible.As for this world ranking 1 team can be lose for a low ranking country from a huge margin.This should be changed.And also I think it is better to give equal test matches for every nation per year.In last few years Australians and Englishman had played about 15-20 tests per year and the asians had only played about 8 test matches per year.Kumar Sangakkara began his career in 2000 and he juyst played 83 test matches and Andrew Strauss had his first test match in 2004 and he had played 73 test matches.Both should be changed and then surely we need a Test Championship.Giving double points is not a fair way because some countries only get few test match chances abroad

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 18:32 GMT)

the people who talks against sanga are misread his comment or misinterpreted by some way.He didnt said india r nt deserved to be no1 or indian are weaker than srilanka .. wat he said is its about ranking system ... yeah u know abt duckworth luis .. if one country plays first and score 200 on full 50 overs then rain will intrupted in middle .. and they scored 70 runs for 3 wkt in 20 overs then tat team wll be declared as a looser .... is this far .. u know still 30 overs has to play more than their opponent and score 130 runs odd for seven wkt remaning ... but still they r looser .. he s talking abt this .. not abt india .. and he also said srilanka was no2 b4 even their team not win a match in aus , pak and india .. he said correct .... so many indian also raise over a concern.. see we will argue with icc on batting ranking systerm .. and so many ... rules r mean to be broken .. but why icc didnt try to change a ryles when it nt agree by most .. any how ... its wasting tym to discu

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 18:32 GMT)

sangakkara, u rock baby..! let d figures speak for u, n not d vice versa; n "SushDaddy", in india, people r not in d habit of showering undue criticism, rather they choose to learn things of their own accord, if not taught..

Posted by GlobalCricketLover on (July 23, 2010, 18:25 GMT)

i am not sure why people are after Sanga. He never claimed that SL is number 1, nor is he saying they would have become 1 if the ratings were done differently. He is putting forward a very valid point which I think nobody can deny. Matches should be played against all countries equally. This has got nothing to do with SL or Sanga or their team's capabilities. Just look at the point he is bringing out.The best example that the current system is ridiculous is India being shown as number 1. India pushed the case for Bangladesh to be given test status so they will gain support in ICC during voting...but they never invited them for a test series in so many years. Now when India came closer to top spot as per the ranking system they schedule a test series with bangladesh to boost their points. that's BCCI for you. If we go by what Sanga says we will not have any ridiculous series like India-SL playing against each other almost every weekend!

Posted by GlobalCricketLover on (July 23, 2010, 18:19 GMT)

I am an Indian but i think India ranked as 1 is a big joke! To me, in terms of capability, India is somewhere around 3 or 4 depdning on how well SL and Eng play around a point of time. Aus and SA are way better than India in Tests. India brags about best batting line up in the world but we never dare to go with 6 batsmen..so what's the point of having such a boasted line up whose 6 batsmen can't put enough runs to defend! Mind you, even when our bowling reserves are so weak we still go with 4 bowlers bcos we think we cannot survive without 7 batsmen..that tells you how strong our bastmen are! India celebrates a single test match win in SA as a biggest achievement in their lives...where as SA has repatedly won test matches in India without bragging too much about it.

Sanga has a valid point. Let every country play a 3 test series with every other test nation with 50% matches played away. But i am very sure the greedy BCCI will not allow this to happen.

Posted by shamic on (July 23, 2010, 18:19 GMT)

The fact is that Test Matches should be played more,Home and away games equally and that way each country plays against each other and then you could jestify the Number 1 Test team.

Sanga has made a good point and no one could say that just because Sri Lanka has the advantage in this series at this moment that they are the winners,Sri Lanka from here onwards go on as underdogs in this series without the service of the Worlds Number 1 Spin Bowler,who took 8 wickets in that match.

Facts are stubborn and it's sometimes difficult to digest and atleast Sanga had the courage of coming out with this discussion and even disputing the 2nd position that Sri Lanka held last year.

Posted by popcorn on (July 23, 2010, 18:16 GMT)

Sangakara is right.It is time ICC woke up and gave MORE weightage to AWAY wins, and ensured that the Future Tours Program (FTP) has a uniform,healthy balance of HOME and AWAY tours - each side should play every other country for 3 Tests - HOME and AWAY in 3 years. Like The Ashes. No way I will rate India Number One in Tests. They win more in their backyard than AWAY.Even this year, they play Australia AT HOME and New Zealand AT HOME.

Posted by BengalScientist on (July 23, 2010, 18:16 GMT)

@sushDaddy

FTP is Future Tour Program

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 18:14 GMT)

I agree with Sanagakkara.India repeatedly plays matches with Srilanka,Bangladesh & Australia in their own country.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 18:12 GMT)

sanga...cmon really??? i thought u were above this kind of stuff..... and anywyas i believe sri lanka needs to win a match in india at least (or aus or SA ) before they can even DREAM of being the no 1 test team...... and yeah its based on recent times for a reason otherwise u wud still see west indies at 4 or 5 ... coz they pwned every1 in the past.... accept it like it or not india is no 1 team fro a reason and btw for all the critics of indian bowling ...... zaheer khan is the third highes wicket taker in the last 2 3 years .....behind steyn and muralidaran..... i know rest of indian bowling is ordinary but india still win what does that say of the other AWESOME teams? and england can never dream of winning in india.... they have played 2 series against BAN and are being labelled as awesome and what nt?? really?whats that about??

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 18:10 GMT)

sanga go for 3-0..................make mendis play.remember we need to take more than 6 wickets........................ extra(murali avgs more than 6 per match).

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 18:03 GMT)

absolutely agree with Sangakkara. No way is this rubbish indian team the best team in the world. I'd put them behind Sri Lanka and Pakistan in the subcontinent alone on any pitch that isnt flat as a pancake.

No fast bowlers, a mediocre frontline spinner and paper tiger batsmen. they're number 1 because of their commercial appeal thats all.

Posted by starjay on (July 23, 2010, 17:45 GMT)

It is very interesting Sangakkara has come out with such negative comments on the ICC rankings. Last year this very same Sangakkara praised the ICC rankings when Sri Lanka were placed in number 2 spot just before their tour of India. Sanga please be consistent with your views ok ? you can't have it both ways. India became number one because they played better cricket. It doesn't matter whether they played at home or away. Australia were the top team for almost a full decade without winning in India, Sri Lanka etc. Would you have been so vocal if Sri Lanka are number 1 ? I highly doubt it.

Posted by satanswish on (July 23, 2010, 17:45 GMT)

This over-confident Sangakkara thinks he has already won the series by winning first test match. He totally forgets his bowling attack is more than half-weakened now after Murali's retirement. Srilankans found Galle test win so comfortable due to weakened Indian bowling attack caused by absence of strike bowler Zaheer Khan, also Sreesanth & unfit Harbhajan. Indians will hit back hard at Srilankans in the next match for sure.

Regarding Test rankings, Sangakkara seems excited to be on top by beating No.1 team in one-off test match. Sri Lanka almost loses every test match played abroad in Australia, South Africa & Indian soil. India have won test matches in Australia & squared-off last couple of test-series played down under. India have also won test match in South Africa & even beat Sri Lanka in Galle test last year. Instead of suggesting innovation in test ranking, he should concerntrate on next test match & more importantly, winning against AUS, SA & IND abroad.

Posted by ListenToMe on (July 23, 2010, 17:44 GMT)

In my opinion, the points gained from a match should be spit into 3 categories, ie, bowling points, batting points and fielding points. This way, even if a team lose a match but does well either in bowling, batting or fielding, then they will not lose many points. Also there should be bonus points given to the team who wins a match comprehensively. In that way, teams having very good combination of batting, bowling and fielding will be No:1. India doesn't deserve this position for long with this bowling attack.

Posted by manasvi_lingam on (July 23, 2010, 17:40 GMT)

Very valid points from Kumar, except for one thing. Sri Lanka and India have played regularly enough even on Indian soil as compared to South Africa and Australia. Given the similar nature of pitches and the strength in spin bowling it is surprising Sri Lanka haven't won a Test in India yet.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 17:24 GMT)

Sangkara is right....agree with him

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 17:21 GMT)

India might not have won test series in Aus, South Africa and Sri Lanka but atleast they have wons test matches there.. whereas Sri Lanka is still to win even test matches there so how come Sangakaara can doubt whether India deserves being no or not and when question is raised abt his team he says we are not playing enough cricket in those places. this guy always speaks alot without any result.. i am sure India will bounce back and win next match to level the series then Sanga will have to find new excuses...

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 17:20 GMT)

this is complete waste of time Mr Sangakara dont get jealous That INDIANS are way better than srilankans

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 17:07 GMT)

Agreed - one again Sangakara seems to be a man who doesnt feel the need to 'toe the line'. He is a gentleman and a superb cricketer.

Posted by Aussasinator on (July 23, 2010, 16:57 GMT)

When you start winning a Test or two, this kind of petulance creeps in. It will vanish if India wins the next test.

Posted by Ekaadipathi on (July 23, 2010, 16:50 GMT)

hahaha..... if they same thing happened to sri lankan i dont think sangakara would have problems with the system!!!

Posted by silsiva on (July 23, 2010, 16:46 GMT)

sankkara...boss what are you trying to say. A win against India make you to speak this.

Posted by Semoli on (July 23, 2010, 16:45 GMT)

Awesome point Sanga!!, The Test sides should be divided into 1st league and 2nd league where the bottom 10% of the 1st league exchange spots with the top 10% of the 2nd league. If you are in the 1st league, you need to play a min # of tests a year or ascribe to a program. Bottom line, standardize the whole thing.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 16:42 GMT)

Well I don't agree with Sangakara.... As I have seen how the ICC Rankings work out... It just depends upon series result and the no. of Matches you have won... Also it counts the other team's weightage too... so if other team has got a good Ratings..the winning team against them will get more points... India has won a series against Oz's 2-0 at home which counts a lot...

Posted by arounr on (July 23, 2010, 16:40 GMT)

Its just because they win one home test they are a good team. They must understand they batted against a weak bowling attack. It means nothing. What they were until today was because of Murali and he is gone now. I doubt if they can come even remotely closely to india. Stop cribbing Sanga!!!

Posted by SABD on (July 23, 2010, 16:33 GMT)

Wow! Now I've got Sangakara beside me! A side manipulates the FTP using its advantage of population(and thus money) and keeps playing home series for 16 straight months! Oh dear! If such things keep happening, cricket's gonna die out pretty soon.

Posted by howizzat on (July 23, 2010, 16:32 GMT)

Sanga come out of your den and then beat India, SA, Aus and Eng in their own dens. That is what Number 1 means in real terms. Otherwisw I too agree with you that ICC rankings do not depict the true picture at all.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 16:31 GMT)

sanga is worng....he cant spk bout the system.......n moreover...srilanka win only in their country.......so they must ask it wen they win a series overseas.........

Posted by mrmonty on (July 23, 2010, 16:28 GMT)

Sanga, don't get too cocky. The same team may bust your back in the next two games. The only reason you won because you won the toss. Even though India has not won a series in Aus, SA and SL, they have won at least a test; a feat you are yet to achieve in your cricket history. So, why did not we see you question the ranking, when you were No.2? Cricket is funny game and can bring you back to earth in a session's time. Wait and watch.

Posted by fyrestorm on (July 23, 2010, 16:27 GMT)

I would say this is rich coming from Sangakkara. He never seemed to complain when SL were ranked #2 in the world. SL have never won a single match in India, Aus or SA, and are generally terrible at Tests outside SL. India thumped Australia 2-0 in the last series albeit at home, and have always done well IN Australia in recent times. Their only trouble has been in SA. India are #1 in the world whether you like it or not. And man are they good to watch, particularly at batting.

Posted by qalandar4 on (July 23, 2010, 16:20 GMT)

BTW, I back the Indian team, and do not really think it's the best test team in the world. But if by "best test team" we mean a team that is likely to win in the maximum number of places, that would be SA more than even Australia. Because England still need to show they can win a match in Australia, let alone a series. In India, they have won 1 and lost 3 of their last 5 matches. On the other hand, the Ashes also give one 5-6 matches to prove oneselves, whereas India, SL, and Pakistan are often (through no-one's fault but their own) involved in 2 test series where it is hard to definitively conclude who is better). For that very reason, teams like SA doing 1-1 in a 2-test series in India is very creditable. Australia has lost the last 2 series in England, despite having 10 tests; and the matches against pak show their bats do struggle in these conditions. ANY #1 ranking would be "provisional" when cricketing strength is so diffuse as it is today -- arguably like the late 1960s...

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 16:19 GMT)

yes, India does not deserve the 1st position in Tests matches...

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 16:18 GMT)

While the 1st ranking of India is very questionable, especially considering how they are touring a major side after such a long time, I cannot agree with Sangakkara's defense here. Sri Lanka has played sufficient matches in India, Australia and South Africa to achieve a victory in any of the countries.

As questionable as India's first ranking is, similarly questionable will be Sri Lanka's ranking if they manage to gain the number one position by the end of this series.

Though, at the same, if India manages to hand over the first position to Sri Lanka in this series, it should deservedly be considered the fourth or the fifth best test country.

Posted by tfjones1978 on (July 23, 2010, 16:12 GMT)

Regarding the current points system. Any system that allows a team to benefit from refusing to play against other teams is a waste of time. About 6 months ago I did an analysis and whilst (yes I am an Australian), I believe statistically Australia is still on top (marginally) with SA in 2nd, India 3rd (due to home victories), England 4th, Srilanka 5th, NZ 6th with Pak & WI about the same. Obviously Bang is 9th, Zimb 10th and Assocs are close together 11th to 16th.

ICup is much more exciting (although 1 day short for quality of play) as its points system (whilst not perfect) is fairer and ensures each team plays against each other (just too few matches, should be home & away).

If ICC wants 1 tier test cricket, there is no reason why there couldnt be one-off home & away matches (4 pts win, 1 pt draw, 1 pt 1st innings win) over 2 years with 3 test final (1 v 2 in 1). If they did this they could have 1 division of 12 teams with 2 demoted.

Although I would prefer multi-tier competitions.

Posted by crikkfan on (July 23, 2010, 16:07 GMT)

The ratings are lesser to blame than the FTP itself is what the article is highlighting and its bang on. You cant discredit India for being #1 for not having done much wrong. Check their record for the last 3 years and this series is still not over yet.

Posted by qalandar4 on (July 23, 2010, 16:03 GMT)

PPS -- of these top four teams, South Africa is the most likely to win test matches/series in India; Australia/SA the most likely to lose in England; India the least likely to win in South Africa but the most likely (apart from SA) to win in Australia; Australia the most likely to win in SA. Sri Lanka has an even poorer overseas record than India or Pakistan, but is probably the hardest to beat at home. In terms of match-ups, I think India matches up better against England than South Africa does; South Africa matches up better against India than even perhaps Australia; Pakistan matches up better against India than almost anyone does; and India/SA match up better IN england than Australia does; etc. etc. This is hardly an exhaustive list of permutations, I'm just trying to make the point that rankings create their own psychoses and fetishes; and test cricket is not a game that is easily reducible to rankings (except when you have dominant teams, an exceptional situation)...

Posted by CRKS on (July 23, 2010, 16:02 GMT)

Before this test match India has lost only one test in last 17 lost 5 out of 22 test series in last 7 years

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (July 23, 2010, 16:01 GMT)

I am not sure whether we deserve #1. But we are certainly not a bad side as some of our neighbors say. Every body talks about india not winning a series in Aus, SA for a long time (why is the author bringing 1993 in to picture when the rankings were introduced in this century?) If i am not wrong we have not lost a series in AUS since 2003. If winning in 'away' series is the criteria to be no #1 then Aus and SA do not have a better record in India. (when was the last time SA won a series in india ? i do not know.) If the rankings are calculated over a period of 3 years then i do not see a reason why india cannot be #1 for this period. As far as our #1 ranking is concerned, its just a matter of time we loose it with this kind of bowling attack. Aus lost it, SA lost it. Sooner or later we ll also lloose it.Now we know why the author/cricinfo mentions only india for using home advantage, not winnin away series etc etc. After all they need some page hits.Lets start some INDIA bashing LOL

Posted by tfjones1978 on (July 23, 2010, 15:55 GMT)

A proper test championship over 2 or 4 years is needed. If any team (eg: India) refuse to play the scheduled series by a specific date then the refused team should forfeit all points to the other team.

India should forfeit points to teams that they havent played away to within the last 4 years, including Bangladesh in home matches.

The test championship should be multi-tiered with the 2 bottom teams of each tier also playing in the tier below theirs (eg: 1 match per series instead of 3-5).

4 year Test Tournaments should be: (1) World Cup: Teams 1-8. (2) World Plate: Teams 7-14. (3) ICup: Teams 13-20 (first class 4 day). (4) IShield: Teams 21-100 in regions for 3 years, top 10 for fourth year.

Tournaments 1-3 would have rankings based upon position with 19th & 20th teams playing in 4th year in IShield final (10 + 2 teams).

Posted by qalandar4 on (July 23, 2010, 15:54 GMT)

PS -- Following up on my point about parity, we have certain teams that match up well against others, irrespective of the rankings. Take a historical example: Pakistan would always match up pretty well against the West Indies in the late 1970s and 1980s, but that didn't necessarily mean they were #2, as they would lose to mediocre teams in England and Australia. Similarly, India matched up pretty decently against Australia this decade, but would be rather easily beaten in South Africa, and even in India against South Africa. No matter what the rankings, Pakistan matches up well against India/on Indian pitches, even if India seems to match up better against England than Pakistan does. These nuances cannot be reflected in any ranking system; we just have to accept the reality that for the moment, Australia, India, England, South Africa are the top teams; beyond that, SOMEONE has to be #1 at any point, but it doesn't mean much at all.

Posted by qalandar4 on (July 23, 2010, 15:49 GMT)

While I generally agree with Sangakkara's point that the number of tests teams play, and who they play them against, needs to be standardized to the extent possible, ANY ranking system will lead to less-than-convincing results during eras where there is a lot of team parity. During the 1980s, of 5-6 years ago, there would have been no doubt: under any system, the West Indies and Australia would, respectively, dominate the standings. It is a trickier question in 2010, because you don't have one dominant team, you have 3-4 solid/good/consistent ones. Rather than say the rankings are a joke because India is on top, we need to appreciate that they would be pretty much just as unconvincing no matter which of the 3-4 teams were ranked one. In fact, had SL won in India on the last tour, they would have been ranked #1, and I doubt Sanga would have complained in that instance.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 15:49 GMT)

I wonder how people have such a short memory, how sangakara could point finger towards India's ranking, When the team he is leading oes not even won a test match in either india, aus , and SA, while mentioning his team winnings in NZ, Pak , Eng,that even India win test series in these country in last 4-5 years, and perhaps srilankan skipper forgets the defeat easily just before six month by Iindia and he is also forgetting tha tIndian team is not good at the start of series and always come back very gud so sangga u should b wary of our fighting Indians, waiti for next test match.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 15:46 GMT)

Did Australia, India and South Africa do something which Sri Lanka couldn't? Oh Yes! Win Test Series in England, New Zealand, West Indies and Pakistan.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 15:45 GMT)

mr sangakkara,u have forgotten that srilanka hasn't won a test series in west indies

Posted by anshu.sunny on (July 23, 2010, 15:43 GMT)

lets ask Sangakkara what exactly has Srilanka Won :P..Its pretty rich coming from teh captain of a side..which is known to be tigers at home and lambs abroad.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 15:41 GMT)

Sanga is saying well, no doubt India has paternal influence on ICC and this can be removed by all other countries. Sangakkara is a brave player who is fingering to ICC.

Posted by catalyst213 on (July 23, 2010, 15:40 GMT)

Well its a good point Sanga, although I don't see a need for you to point India exclusively or any other team for that matter. Totally agree with you though with ICC Ranking system needs a mending.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 15:38 GMT)

Sorry to disappoint Sanga but Sri Lanka last won an AWAY series in 1999 (barring ZIM, BANG). They are bullies at their home but dismal away from it. The ranking system must be faulty or else they would have never reached rank 2.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 15:37 GMT)

I think Siddharth is incorrect here!!! India last played an away series against Bangladesh at the start of this year. Iam not sure why this fact skipped his attention. The rankings are the same for everyone. But, everyone, including Indians has, unfortunately, developed this habit of India-bashing. It is unfortunate that Sangakkara is saying these things now after he has won a test at home against India. During the period from 1 Aug 2006 to 31 Dec 2009 on the basis of which they were No. 2, they played 15 tests at home, won 11 of them, including 3 against Bangladesh, lost only 1 and drew 3. During the same period, they played 13 away tests, won only 4, again including 2 against Bangladesh, lost 6 and drew 3. So, it was mostly on the basis of their 73% home wins that they became No. 2 and not because of their 31% away wins. Had they not won so much at home, they would have not beein in the top 3. If they want play more away games, they have to ask their board to arrange and not the ICC.

Posted by Bang_La on (July 23, 2010, 15:35 GMT)

Sangakara is very right! The FTP is one tool that is cleverly used by BCCI to keep playing and winning on their dead pitches. Indian might has been shattered everytime they played away from home. Even today I read Dhoni's interview telling that his batsmen should learn how to play yorkers. What a big joke! He is the captain of #1 team in test table :)

Posted by Homer2007 on (July 23, 2010, 15:33 GMT)

Dear Sanga,

A 5 Test India v Bangladesh series or a 3 Test Ashes - which is fairer?

Cheers,

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 15:27 GMT)

Sangakkara is right when he saysICC rankings in Cricket does not reflect the truth. Also,I don't think players attach much importance to the rankings. Its important how one performs on the field. Also Test Cricket is the real cricket. So the greatness of a team depends on its performance in test cricket, both at home and away. Players are remembered for what they have done in test cricket.

Posted by Farce-Follower on (July 23, 2010, 15:24 GMT)

Sanga has a very valid point, but he is a bit hypocritical. The Indian board (not the Indian public) views Test Cricket as an irritant, and gets friendly administrators in SL etc to agree. So Sanga has to push his own board first. Why do they settle for ODIs? Did not Sanga and gang prefer IPL to the Test tour of England? Even today, Malinga would prefer the IPL to 5 day cricket. What a shame...

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 15:15 GMT)

India at No. 1 despite not having won a series in Australia, South Africa and Sri Lanka since 1993,

Hahaha, Its Just Perfect for No-1, Fake No-1. :P

Posted by bhagal on (July 23, 2010, 15:07 GMT)

I think Sanga needs to see his side first. SL hasn't won a test in Ind, Aus and SA and by merely defeating Ind in first test, how can he challenge the FTP rantings. Why did he not challenge the rating at that time when Sl were #2 in the world. I too not consider Ind as #1 side in the world but if you see no team has done this. Aussies have not won a series in Ind since 2005. They have not won Ashes in England. SA have not won a series in Ind in last two outings. There has to be a #1 and so there is rating and hence someone is there at the top.

Posted by Rawal on (July 23, 2010, 15:04 GMT)

Not his or Sri Lankans fault as they regularly beat Bangladesh and expect to be at number one considering their winning streak. They are probably unaware of the fact that those victories do not get you many points in the rankings. Apart from that, Indians did lose in Australia but they at least won against at home. Sri Lanka regularly keeps losing in Australia and don´t play them at home. Last them they played them was seven years back when they were clean-sweeped by the Aussies.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 15:01 GMT)

@Sidharth you are correct but this is a bit technical therefore may be sangakara gave such response to the question....! and Also they have enjoyed a very good victory over no.1 may be thats why he also said such....!

Posted by irfanzulfiqar786 on (July 23, 2010, 14:59 GMT)

i fully agree what isort of the point sanga is trying to raise here the icc ranking is bit dodgy,how come india be at number one when they are not good enough to beat the aussies, proteas and england on foreign soils

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 14:54 GMT)

Well how often has Australia won a test series in India. It has won just once or something in 2004. Thier Players do not play spin well at all. If they played in India more often...you would see them losing against India more often. They beat India when they were the best team and when they had the best players. South africa beat Australia when most of Australias best players retired in that series in 2008. India has been beating Australia in one - off tests when australia had their best players. India was the first team that was chipping away at thier mighty team of 90s and early 2000s in Australia. India has been playing consistently good test cricket in the past few years..no one has given thier them ranking on a platter. They have fought for it and earned it. There are two more tests to complete the series. And it was not Sangakkara who has questioned ICC test rankings..he was replying to a question asked by.. let me guess..an uncomfortable Australian Journalist? Nice Cricinfo!

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 14:53 GMT)

I do agree with Sangakara. Do you?

Posted by nk_sharma on (July 23, 2010, 14:52 GMT)

In Current, no team is clear Test Champion. Its okay that most of teams wins series at home but only Australia, South Africa & India have been offering fights in overseas tours. They manages to win a few matches also. How can Sangakara question the Indian status as Lanka have never won even a single match in Australia, South Africa & India but have lost atleast one match in almost every series at home (Lanka). Sanga;, Congrats for winning first test match. Keep it up. Respect the ICC ranking system. Only wins not debate can make you No.1.

Posted by 37c. on (July 23, 2010, 14:49 GMT)

The South Asian way is to use a plethora of acronyms, liberally sprinkled through any report, with no explanations of what they mean. The idea is to sound "clever". But without an explanation of FTP, for the "general" interest cricket fan, FTP still means file transfer protocol. Yes? No, not this time. It means Future Tours Programme. And, I agree with Kumar. India has been overplaying the home advantage ...

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 14:49 GMT)

Nice question from Sangakara !!

Posted by RodStark on (July 23, 2010, 14:45 GMT)

Like so many things in cricket, the test ranking system is incomprehensible to most people. Why not simply have a ladder-type system? After each series, if the lower-ranked team beats the higher-ranked team, they switch places. It would be a bit like the world championship in boxing. It would mean that the best team was not always necessarily the champion, but it would be simple and would add context to every series.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 14:43 GMT)

This article should be titled - "Sanga wants fair FTP... AGAIN" - seriously, somebody please listen to the man cuz he has a very fair point and so cricinfo cant publish this story every 2 weeks!

Posted by CricketingStargazer on (July 23, 2010, 14:37 GMT)

If Sri Lanka win this series 2-0 or better they will become No.1 themselves. More than anything it is the equality between the top 4 sides which is to blame (even if Sri Lanka *do* win 2-0 and Australia lose their current Test, there will still be just 5 points betweem Sri Lanka in 1st and Australia in 4th). Australia have lost recently to South Africa, England and India. South Africa were held by England and lost to Australia. And Sri Lanka were recently badly beaten in India. No side is clearly dominant at present.

Posted by AB_DeVilliers on (July 23, 2010, 14:36 GMT)

I would like to see Sri Lanka tour South Africa again. The last time they were there back in '04 (I think), they were hammered. It would be a good gauge in terms of how much they have improved...against a very formidable SA test team.

In terms of India being no.1 - most impartial or neutral fans agree that it's a bit of a joke that India are ranked the no.1 team in the world. In short: they just don't win away from home enough to challenge SA and AUS.

Posted by ASANGARAVI on (July 23, 2010, 14:34 GMT)

Sangakkara was not questionig the ranking system. The Question comes from the Audiance and He only answers to that. the Hedline not do not interpriate it correctly, it will give wrong impression. Sangakkara wrightly said that, the matter should be lies with ICC as always.

Posted by rpkn on (July 23, 2010, 14:34 GMT)

Sangakkara might not know that Rankings should be on current performance of any team or player. :)

Posted by mrgupta on (July 23, 2010, 14:30 GMT)

Wow, thats hilarious, just after one test Win against severely depleted Indian team they started questioning Ranking system. Just when SL were beating Bangladesh and Zim in and out (they played them the most) they were so proud of their 2nd Rank. They have never won a Test in India, Aus or SA and they think the ranking needs to be changed. They may have a balanced attack and good batting but they still need to beat teams other than BD and Zim. Winning at home alone does not give them enough credit. India has won Test matches in almost all conditions across the world, Sri-Lankans needs to do more before they start questioning.

Posted by _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on (July 23, 2010, 14:28 GMT)

He has a point. In all honesty, any1 with a hint of objectivity would agree that Sanga has some points. The #1 rank was indisputable until Aus fell back to the pack and with so many teams close in strength, u now NEED A CHAMPIONSHIP. From now on, the #1 rank may just be about form and a little bit of luck. For the past few yrs. several teams who looked like getting there were eventually exposed soon after. SA were looking good for until they're middle order was exposed under pressure n Ntini faded. Aus looked like rising again until they're batting line up was exposed swing. Ind power batting looked like buffering their inconsistent bowling n terrible fielding but now they r being exposed. Eng looked decent but evry1 knows how volatile and injury prone they are. Now Sri Lanka with a chance to clinch the spot, still look short on bowling, especially with Murali retiring. So putting all bias aside, there is NO genuine #1 team and the #1rank shows good recent performances n NOTHING ELSE.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 14:28 GMT)

I agree with Sangha that the rankings for Test cricket is complicated and could not be understood properly and personally it has nothing to do with the performance of a team, instead it might make team which is ranked as one becoming proud and overconfident. The rankings works better in Tennis or Golf where it helps individuals to get a top seeding and also in the draw for major tournaments.

The rankings for Tests has no meaning and should be done away or scrapped. Only individual players could be ranked and it helps them when they play tournaments like IPL etc,

gopi

Posted by Dinesh_Ramamurthy on (July 23, 2010, 14:24 GMT)

Funny that Sangakkara is mentioning this. The lankans hardly win anything away from home. They have never won a test match in India, Australia or South Africa leave alone a series.

Sri Lanka will struggle to make it to the top 5 if the recommended changes are implemented.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 14:24 GMT)

well i guess this is the question of integrity for the BCCI... u have a world no. 1 test side without a single bowler of international standard... !! so then u are the richest board in the world arent you ?? and u produce Zaheers. Munafs, Ishants and Pathans who start by bowling express pace and banana swing... then u allow them to fade away as though u are sitting on a stock pile of talent at your disposal... !! There is a little air or arrogance in Sangakkara's tone here as he is basking in the glory of a 10 wicket win... !! No harm in that... he is justified... Problem is with us... does the selectors and the BCCI have enough resources to fill in if this second string lot of Mithuns, dindas and yadavs fade as the singhs (VRV and RP), pathans, and balajis of yesteryear... !! It would be really interesting to see what will the selctors do if Ishant and Mithun are torn apart on this tour... and what if Zaheer comes back lack luster after injury... ?? do u have replacements Krish ??

Posted by freeshead on (July 23, 2010, 14:19 GMT)

This is absolutely true. Once Steve Waugh had commented on poor rating system. But still no proper point system for home series and away series.

Posted by gnat9 on (July 23, 2010, 14:17 GMT)

At long last, someone asks the most obvious question in test cricket! It is baffling how a team like India can remain at no 1 when seemingly, almost everyone is winning more tests than they are.

Posted by CricketPissek on (July 23, 2010, 14:17 GMT)

The FTP is rubbish. Nothing against the indians who played well for a while to get the #1 ranking, but the rankings are meaningless apart from bragging rights. Unfortunately, since places like SL, NZ, WI, and definitely PAK are not commercially viable for big tours, the ICC will always favour the more lucrative series. I dream of a 5 match test series for Sri Lanka. After almost 30 years of test cricket, still nothing more than a 3 match series! In fact, places like Australia give 2 tests in their dirt patches of cairns and darwin in 2004 and that was after SLC almost begged them for something after almost a 10 year wait. SAf is no better, not giving a tour since 2002. I'm sure NZ, WI also feel the same way, let alone PAK, BAN, and ZIM

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 14:12 GMT)

india deserves the ranking they have just lost 2 test matches under ms dhoni

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 14:12 GMT)

That's quite unacceptable Mr. Monga. What i think is Indian fans and media should stop crying after every defeat. The saddest part is Indian cricket team can't please its fans and media even after doing exceptionally well. We are no.1 in tests, but now that it has happened, the whole ICC rankings are questioned. Why? Because we lost ONE test..... and that to on a pitch that was highly favorable to batting on the first day. When Australia were ranked no.1 , the rankings were never questioned, even when they lost to an Indian team ranked at 4 or 5 after making it to follow on in Kolkata in 2001. It is cricket, it happens in cricket. Please be a little patient. As for Mr. Snagakara, test championships are alright, but he should not crave for tests in countries where his side never wins, unless of course he wants his rankings to dip further.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 14:11 GMT)

i agree with kumar, because when you look at Australia, England and South Africa FTP it is fully cover with future tour regularly. when you go back to look their past tour table above three team played more than other team. Australia plays 13-15 test per year, but Asian teams plays 8-9 test per year. Why ICC Should not propose equality tour Schedule?

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 14:04 GMT)

Dear Sanga,

Valid point, but reality of how much it means for the boards (mostly money) is what dictates the FTP anyways. No point in brooding things that are hard to change. You want the money from IPL which the Indian board manages, but don't want to acknowledge the consequences of it? IPL has resulted in a tweaking of FTP, rescheduling of tours and all. Its not just BCCI's fault. You just cannot have it both ways.

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 14:01 GMT)

That's right Sanga. You can question the accuracy of ICC's rankings. But, even Lanka don't deserve where it stood last year and don't defend saying that they had played few test matches. I just happened to go through the test records of all your players. You alone stand tall, others I am afraid. They are Lankan tigers indeed, fighting like tigers in their home turf. Outside, I am sorry no scope. Again you alone deserve to be in the top. Others no way and don't defend them. See how much Chandimal and et al scored in Australia in their A tour. Even Mahela the supposedly great batsman has scored more than 80% of his centuries in Lanka. A long, long way to go. BTW, I am not claiming as my country #1 either.

Posted by Nampally on (July 23, 2010, 14:00 GMT)

I think away wins should get double the points compared to home wins as in some Soccer matches. This change will give greater credibility to the #1 ranking. I do not agree with Sanga's claims that Rankings are not meaningful. All top 8 cricketing nations have had their peaks & valleys. WI & Australia were amongst the best longer than others.SL right now is a well balanced side but even with its poor bowling, India is capable of beating SL.India was caught flat footed & hit by bad luck due to injuries. So an improvised India attack with a half sick Harbhajan, failed. Also Sachin, Dravid & VVS were rather rusty being out of top class cricket for a while.SL's strength in next 2 Tests will be on trial as Indain batsmen get into form.India always won tests even with an average bowling. If only India had taken the catches, SL would not have won the first test.So Sanga needs to temper his claims. India is ranked # 1 Now. SL has a chance to dislodge it like 6 other Nations. Can they do it?

Posted by adarsh89 on (July 23, 2010, 13:59 GMT)

Brave of Sangakara to have come out with that. I have always wondered why India are always at the top. Btw, why don't you people at cricinfo try something better?

Posted by klobania on (July 23, 2010, 13:58 GMT)

sanga is truely a bold n honest player n i think he is absolutely right that when india has failed to deliver goods in aus, south africa n sri lanka then they shouldn't deserve no.1 ranking ranking system should be fair n sound n loss by margin like 10 wickets should greatly affect ranking points

Posted by inswing on (July 23, 2010, 13:56 GMT)

There is nothing wrong with the ranking system. The problem is that there is no clear #1 team right now. This is not really a problem that needs fixing, it is just the state of affairs. Whoever you put at #1, you can complain about them ("they lost to x and y, how can they be #1?). Aus and SA are other good teams but they have their own problems. You cannot decide rankings based on arbitrary criteria such as "have they won in country x?". Then every day you will have new rules and new controversies. There is also no need to give extra weight to wins away from home. If you win away and lose at home, why is it better than the other way around? It is not. Only one thing needs to change: play more tests. Stop 2-test series, make 4 minimum. If there is more Test cricket being played, rankings will sort themselves out without any change in the formula.

Posted by Agermeister on (July 23, 2010, 13:54 GMT)

Totally agree with Sangakkara. I can't understand how India are ranked as the world's highest ranked test team, especially when they now play so little test cricket, especially awy from home, a trend which is common in the sub-continent. They probably won't change it as it favours India a biased cricketing establishment now, and mianly because ICC doesn't like change. It is also true that the FTP is mesed up, but the current plans of playing loads (too many) of ODI's and T20 against big teams, rather than playing test cricket, or ODI's against smaller nations. It is because it suits sponsors and some fans, especially with economic advantages. This sort of greed and elitism with much money concentrated in the top nations India, Australia, England, is to the detriment of other nations (West Indies, New Zealand), and the growth of cricket all together (ie Associate Cricket).

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 13:54 GMT)

brilliant article. this is exactly what i was thinking bt yesterday. why are we no.1 without having won in aus and sa!

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 13:54 GMT)

India's no1 is just a joke.

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (July 23, 2010, 13:52 GMT)

Following are the current rankings -Top four teams. India 124 South Africa 120 Australia 119 Sri Lanka 115

Now in the article above Sangakkra said following.

" We have won in New Zealand, in England, and in Pakistan. South Africa, Australia and India are the three places that we need to win. We need to play often in those places."

My analysis below.

Rankings work perfectly.. That is why Sri Lanka is down below India, South Africa, Australia ...Maybe this is a cheap shot in the war of words by Sangakkara in the current series. Rankings are good, only Sangakkra needs to understand better.

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (July 23, 2010, 13:42 GMT)

How can Sangakara comment on India when SL haven't come close to even winning a day's play in last 10years leave alone winning tests........

India has consistently done well there and if not for Steve Bucknor we would have won last 2 series in australia......

so lets stop the joke!

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 13:41 GMT)

My tip for people who want to comment. Please read the article before commenting, don't go with just the heading :)

Posted by saravana007 on (July 23, 2010, 13:41 GMT)

murail miss was sri lanka big loss

Posted by naresh.chitanya on (July 23, 2010, 13:35 GMT)

According the Sangakkara who will be number one position? He should have wait up to end this series to give his opinion on the India number one status. India lost only one match not series. Lack of matches against the Australia and South Africa is lame excuse.

Posted by rsramkee on (July 23, 2010, 13:34 GMT)

Have Sri Lanka not played enough in India?

Posted by pulkitbhardwaj1 on (July 23, 2010, 13:34 GMT)

by the way , sri lanka have also nevr won a series in south africa , india & australia..............

Posted by   on (July 23, 2010, 13:29 GMT)

well... al these tend to say that team india not worth No.1 is it??

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