Champions League Twenty20 2009 October 20, 2009

Trinidad unity is a lesson for Caribbean - Ganga

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Daren Ganga, the captain of the Trinidad & Tobago side that has remained unbeaten throughout an impressive Champions League campaign, believes that the unity and team spirit shown by his island nation must serve as a warning to the warring factions within West Indies cricket. Unless the players and administrators can resolve their differences, Ganga believes it is "inevitable" that the region's individual countries will seek to go it alone in the future.

Ganga, who stood in as West Indies captain on their tour of England in 2007 only to be dumped from the squad before the end of the summer, has encountered at first-hand the politics and factionalism that mar the region's cricket at international level. But such concerns could not be further from the thoughts of the band of brothers who have progressed to the semi-finals of the Champions League with a succession of never-say-die performances.

"The passion and the efforts that the guys have shown on the field of play have got us through to the semi-finals," Ganga told Cricinfo's Switch Hit podcast. "A lot of people never really expected us to go so far in the competition, but if you look at the framework of our cricket and of our club, and of all the other teams that have competed, one thing going for us is our national pride and patriotism.

"That is a hallmark of this team, being able to separate themselves, and realise they are not just representing the 11 players on the field or the 20 guys that are travelling, but all the rest of the people back in Trinidad, and by extension the wider Caribbean."

There was a time in the not-so-distant past when Trinidadian cricket was synonymous with one Brian Charles Lara, arguably the greatest batsman of all time, but a man to whom a team ethos did not come naturally. In recent years, however, Trinidad have swept the board domestically, across three formats, and they also trounced Middlesex in last year's Stanford Super Series in Antigua. With a pool of talented players such as Kieron Pollard, Denesh Ramdin, the Bravo brothers and Ravi Rampaul, the days of relying on a single star performer are long gone.

"In the years gone by, we've created an environment where competition is healthy," said Ganga. "We have guys on the side who want to be part of the action, and when they get their opportunity they come to the fore and deliver. That is the best position to be in, and as captain of the team I am very happy with the way things have gone. We have not had a smooth run [through this competition], there have been challenges along the way, but you have to make the right decisions."

Making the right decisions is a knack that the administrators of West Indies cricket seem to have mislaid long ago, but Ganga believes that, at a time when the regional side has been crippled by pay disputes and strike action, there are valuable lessons to be learnt in the cohesion shown by his Trinidad squad.

"There are a whole lot of different philosophies and schools of thought about our team compared to the current West Indies team," he said. "But ask any champion team, and they'll say that having the right chemistry - a togetherness and a team spirit - is essential for any sort of success. If you have a situation where everything is surrounding one or two individuals, you never get the sort of output that you want as a team, and that is one of the things we inculcate as a team.

"No one individual is bigger than the team, and to be successful it's not going to take the efforts of two or three individuals, it's going to take the efforts of all 15 guys here, plus our technical staff," he added. "That's been ingrained, and all the guys understand that this is the approach that will bring us success."

From Dwayne Bravo's nerveless final over against Deccan Chargers, to Pollard's sensational 18-ball fifty against New South Wales, Trinidad's players have come up with performances that would have graced any international fixture. Which begs the question, would the island be able to hold its own as a bona fide full-member country? Ganga has no wish to incite a revolution, but he is nevertheless realistic about the state of the game within the region.

"West Indies cricket has a great legacy," he said, "and there's a great amount of pride and respect for it, because of what our great teams have accomplished in decades gone by. I am not one to jump on a bandwagon and say Trinidad & Tobago should go on its own, but there has to be some involvement on the part of all stakeholders to protect West Indies cricket. It has to be invested in, in the right manner, and some firm decisions need to be taken about moving our cricket forward.

"And those are issues that need to be addressed now," he added, "because I tell you, if that doesn't happen, it is inevitable that countries may go separately. That is a fact because West Indies cricket cannot continue to have the turmoil that it is in right now. I think it's very important for that to be seen. Looking down the road, if decisions are not made sooner than later, that may be the only direction that territorial boards have left to take."

Ganga, however, was careful not to get carried away by a version of the game that has not won the approval of all cricket-lovers. "A lot of people don't have a lot of respect for Twenty20 cricket and they are right in their approach to some extent," he said. "If you are looking at a nation competing, it's not just about assessing the performance from a Twenty20 perspective. A lot of countries in the world have a bigger population than the Caribbean, and more finances, and still they struggle at Test cricket. I'm not one to advocate going on your own. It's important to set things in perspective, to look exactly at where our cricket is at this time, and what needs to be done to start turning things around."

It is a measure of the incompetence of the various Caribbean boards that Ganga believes that the involvement of disgraced billionaire, Sir Allen Stanford, is still the best thing to happen to cricket in the region for years. Trinidad have certainly benefited from his largesse. They won his US$1million jackpot in 2008 after finishing as runners-up to Guyana in the original Stanford 20/20 in 2006, and went on to supplement that windfall with a further US$280,000 in last year's one-off victory against Middlesex. Regardless of the subsequent revelations about the man, Ganga still believes he and his ilk owe Stanford a debt of gratitude.

"We must thank Sir Allen for his introduction of Twenty20 cricket in the Caribbean, it has caught on and I'm sure it will continue to inspire a new generation of West Indian cricketers," said Ganga. "There's a whole lot of positives that he brought to the region, but then now when you reflect on the situation, you see all the different negatives that his actions have cost. We are not the ones to judge, but what I can say from a cricketing point of view is that we the players have benefited a lot, and I can surely say the WICB and all the territorial boards have benefited a lot in terms of infrastructure and facilities.

"He made a huge investment in WI cricket for years, and the dividends of that are showing now, and will continue for a couple more years. It's important for someone in the Caribbean to identify the huge and positive investment he made in West Indies cricket, and it is important for someone now to take up that slack now."

Andrew Miller is UK editor of Cricinfo

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  • POSTED BY convertorboy on | October 27, 2009, 0:17 GMT

    Re: gottalovetheraindance, windiesforeva, and AyrtonS Why is you so harsh on Daren? His form for T&T has been good to excellent, he provides valuable stability and guidance in the top and middle order, and he has an excellent analytical mind. No one since has taken up the role of opening successfully next to Gayle. Maybe Wavell can return, maybe Devon Smith/Xavier Marshall/Parchment/so many others stop making schoolboy mistakes, who knows?

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | October 24, 2009, 17:12 GMT

    the best chance ganga had of regainging captaincy is by playing vs Bangladesh & in champions trophy. had he won the Test & ODI series at home & done better than reifer in south africa (which i am sure he could have) then he would have made a reasonable chance for himself to continue. However he either is not interested in the captaincy or this strategy did not occur to the 'most intelligent one'. i personally as a reasoning individual DO NOT believe that him making the final of some hurry come up bang bang 20/20 tournament means in any way that he is capable not only to lead effectively but to also improve upon his previous performances at the international level. i must commend him for the work he did as i wish him well. however their is still immense room for improvement!

  • POSTED BY delboy on | October 24, 2009, 1:19 GMT

    Hi Gevelsis, I hope like your man 'Ganga' you are now back down to earth. 'Heights of GREAT men, reach and kept were not attained by sudden flight', The man you think communicates must first talk to himself. When it really matters what shot selection does a thinking captain play? Someone in genuine control does not display signs of panic, it hands an advantage to your opposition. It Gayle's outward demeanor hurts you so much thank God you never saw Christ being taken to the cross, surely you'd be shouting more than crucify him. Try to be a true WI and forget the insularity. WI does not need a CAPTAIN to perform. It needs a team. Any of the 11 players selected should be able to lead, regardless of their country of birth; if Gayle does not have leadership quality then surely he deserves to be dropped and allowed to go make his millions away from the politics of the WI team. He would surely be a target of Notts, Surrey, Hampshire and several other IPL outfits.

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | October 23, 2009, 20:08 GMT

    its severe lack of good reasoning that made west indies cricket the laughing stock of the cricketing world. yes ganga may be intelligent & talented & whatnot but he hasnt performed at the highest level. lets be honest isnt it better to try to maintain some stability within the team while it is trying harder to improve than it has done before? instead persons who should know better are trying to create another rift in the fragile relations that span the fabric of our cricket. ganga cant get the captaincy as he hasnt done enough to be in the squad. he still has time to focus on batting so he can make the squad & perform. this should be his priority now! afterwards he can aim for the captaincy. if he dont get it he would still be in a better position to contribute to the team than he is in now. he has a great oppurtunity in the match against Jamaica in Guyana next week. gayle also has an oppurtunity to show that he is capable of effective leadership as well as solid batting.

  • POSTED BY cordell.hadeed on | October 23, 2009, 7:44 GMT

    Being a Trinidad and Tobagonian as well a West Indian, I am proud of the Trinidad and Tobago team. Well done to all the players and management. If West Indies cricket team were to do this it would need the right management, strategy, determination and mind set. Nothing is impossible in West Indian cricket, we have the people to do it but we need the right guidance. I am not saying about the captaincy, I am talking about the upper level of management. West Indian cricket is here to stay, the reason I say this is because we are the second favorite team that people love and support. I ask all West Indians as well the rest of the cricketing world to help support us, stand by us and cheer for us for the upcoming Australia series. It is not an easy series but we can turn heads with the right support. God bless West Indian Cricket.

  • POSTED BY keirbe on | October 23, 2009, 1:41 GMT

    Its amazing how when TnT is doing so well that ppl want to criticize them and the captaincy. The fact of the matter is at the regional level in the last 4 years that TnT has been the best performing side. As for Guyana beating TnT at Standford 2 years ago...it came down to the last ball...remember that.

    Ppl keep fighting Ganga and he cant make the side.....In the test against Austrailia, which was one of Ganga's first game he scored a double century. Ganga just never got the support from the management of the board. As for Gayle....someone called him a performer? well respected? by who? how many series wins has he had? how many big scores has he had? who has he motivated to perform? Please....Gayle only performs when ppl start complaining about how he isnt performing and then he makes a big score and goes back into *remission*.

    Trinidad and Tobago is a team playing with not just unity but HEART. Ganga is undoubtedly the best strategic thinking captain in the caribbean.

  • POSTED BY AyrtonS on | October 21, 2009, 18:27 GMT

    At the end of the day 20/twenty cricket is slash and dash cricket, it is really geared to folks who have no concept of the real game. Darren could not handle TEST Cricket he proved it time and time again, So all those folks that want to make him captain of the West Indies Team needs their heads examined.

    Chris Gayle has proven that he can do the job and do it well, he should be left alone.

    Folks, people tend to forget that the strong Cricket teams in the West Indies, traditionally were Guyana, Barbados and Jamaica. They also tend to forget that Guyana defeated that exact same Trinidad team two years ago in the finals of the Sanford 20/twenty tournament in which Ganga was the captain. So please give me a break.

  • POSTED BY windiesforeva on | October 21, 2009, 15:55 GMT

    It is completely amazing how Ganga has all of a sudden become the ultimate captain for West Indies after winning a few matches against club teams. Ganga can't even make the team base on his average and people want to make the same mistake the board made back in 2007. Ganga couldn't justify his play back then and he can't now. Lets not forget that Ganga does well at 1st class level as a captain and ok as a batsman but has been able to handle the international level even though he has had a longer run than most players. This Twenty20 competition is at the first class level don't let us forget that. After saying all of that don't think i don't like Ganga. As others have said i think he is intelligent and represent his country well and i wish all the best for TNT but i'm not going to let a few victories at the 1st class level make me believe that the he is the next messiah.

  • POSTED BY why450 on | October 21, 2009, 12:29 GMT

    I am a Guyanese and i love my country but i also respect T&T's organization and play. They have without a doubt been the best side in the caribbean for years now. Ganga is a good captain and I strongly feel he can captain W.I but he first has to be able to make the team. When he plays, there is too much fear in him so he disappoints. The best I have seen him is against Australia in the Caribbean batting at no.3. Ganga work on making the team but that doesn't mean you will get the Captaincy because Gayle has generated great respect from the players but i do feel he would be a good Deputy to Gayle.

  • POSTED BY ChrisH on | October 21, 2009, 12:21 GMT

    And more misconceptions. Philip_Gnana, Sri Lanka is not a small island. It has 20 million people! That is almost twice as much people as in New York City proper and about the same amount as in the wider New York City area and nobody considers NYC to be small. Some of the islands you are talking about don't even have as many people as there are in Colombo, the capital of Sri Lanka (650,000) and the greater Colombo area has almost as much people as the entire WI (5 million). Sri Lanka is most definitely not a small island. Plus Sri Lanka's progress at the top level wasn't made rapidly, it was made through sustained good domestic cricket from about the 1930s/1940s and a full 40 years before they were admitted to the top level.

  • POSTED BY convertorboy on | October 27, 2009, 0:17 GMT

    Re: gottalovetheraindance, windiesforeva, and AyrtonS Why is you so harsh on Daren? His form for T&T has been good to excellent, he provides valuable stability and guidance in the top and middle order, and he has an excellent analytical mind. No one since has taken up the role of opening successfully next to Gayle. Maybe Wavell can return, maybe Devon Smith/Xavier Marshall/Parchment/so many others stop making schoolboy mistakes, who knows?

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | October 24, 2009, 17:12 GMT

    the best chance ganga had of regainging captaincy is by playing vs Bangladesh & in champions trophy. had he won the Test & ODI series at home & done better than reifer in south africa (which i am sure he could have) then he would have made a reasonable chance for himself to continue. However he either is not interested in the captaincy or this strategy did not occur to the 'most intelligent one'. i personally as a reasoning individual DO NOT believe that him making the final of some hurry come up bang bang 20/20 tournament means in any way that he is capable not only to lead effectively but to also improve upon his previous performances at the international level. i must commend him for the work he did as i wish him well. however their is still immense room for improvement!

  • POSTED BY delboy on | October 24, 2009, 1:19 GMT

    Hi Gevelsis, I hope like your man 'Ganga' you are now back down to earth. 'Heights of GREAT men, reach and kept were not attained by sudden flight', The man you think communicates must first talk to himself. When it really matters what shot selection does a thinking captain play? Someone in genuine control does not display signs of panic, it hands an advantage to your opposition. It Gayle's outward demeanor hurts you so much thank God you never saw Christ being taken to the cross, surely you'd be shouting more than crucify him. Try to be a true WI and forget the insularity. WI does not need a CAPTAIN to perform. It needs a team. Any of the 11 players selected should be able to lead, regardless of their country of birth; if Gayle does not have leadership quality then surely he deserves to be dropped and allowed to go make his millions away from the politics of the WI team. He would surely be a target of Notts, Surrey, Hampshire and several other IPL outfits.

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | October 23, 2009, 20:08 GMT

    its severe lack of good reasoning that made west indies cricket the laughing stock of the cricketing world. yes ganga may be intelligent & talented & whatnot but he hasnt performed at the highest level. lets be honest isnt it better to try to maintain some stability within the team while it is trying harder to improve than it has done before? instead persons who should know better are trying to create another rift in the fragile relations that span the fabric of our cricket. ganga cant get the captaincy as he hasnt done enough to be in the squad. he still has time to focus on batting so he can make the squad & perform. this should be his priority now! afterwards he can aim for the captaincy. if he dont get it he would still be in a better position to contribute to the team than he is in now. he has a great oppurtunity in the match against Jamaica in Guyana next week. gayle also has an oppurtunity to show that he is capable of effective leadership as well as solid batting.

  • POSTED BY cordell.hadeed on | October 23, 2009, 7:44 GMT

    Being a Trinidad and Tobagonian as well a West Indian, I am proud of the Trinidad and Tobago team. Well done to all the players and management. If West Indies cricket team were to do this it would need the right management, strategy, determination and mind set. Nothing is impossible in West Indian cricket, we have the people to do it but we need the right guidance. I am not saying about the captaincy, I am talking about the upper level of management. West Indian cricket is here to stay, the reason I say this is because we are the second favorite team that people love and support. I ask all West Indians as well the rest of the cricketing world to help support us, stand by us and cheer for us for the upcoming Australia series. It is not an easy series but we can turn heads with the right support. God bless West Indian Cricket.

  • POSTED BY keirbe on | October 23, 2009, 1:41 GMT

    Its amazing how when TnT is doing so well that ppl want to criticize them and the captaincy. The fact of the matter is at the regional level in the last 4 years that TnT has been the best performing side. As for Guyana beating TnT at Standford 2 years ago...it came down to the last ball...remember that.

    Ppl keep fighting Ganga and he cant make the side.....In the test against Austrailia, which was one of Ganga's first game he scored a double century. Ganga just never got the support from the management of the board. As for Gayle....someone called him a performer? well respected? by who? how many series wins has he had? how many big scores has he had? who has he motivated to perform? Please....Gayle only performs when ppl start complaining about how he isnt performing and then he makes a big score and goes back into *remission*.

    Trinidad and Tobago is a team playing with not just unity but HEART. Ganga is undoubtedly the best strategic thinking captain in the caribbean.

  • POSTED BY AyrtonS on | October 21, 2009, 18:27 GMT

    At the end of the day 20/twenty cricket is slash and dash cricket, it is really geared to folks who have no concept of the real game. Darren could not handle TEST Cricket he proved it time and time again, So all those folks that want to make him captain of the West Indies Team needs their heads examined.

    Chris Gayle has proven that he can do the job and do it well, he should be left alone.

    Folks, people tend to forget that the strong Cricket teams in the West Indies, traditionally were Guyana, Barbados and Jamaica. They also tend to forget that Guyana defeated that exact same Trinidad team two years ago in the finals of the Sanford 20/twenty tournament in which Ganga was the captain. So please give me a break.

  • POSTED BY windiesforeva on | October 21, 2009, 15:55 GMT

    It is completely amazing how Ganga has all of a sudden become the ultimate captain for West Indies after winning a few matches against club teams. Ganga can't even make the team base on his average and people want to make the same mistake the board made back in 2007. Ganga couldn't justify his play back then and he can't now. Lets not forget that Ganga does well at 1st class level as a captain and ok as a batsman but has been able to handle the international level even though he has had a longer run than most players. This Twenty20 competition is at the first class level don't let us forget that. After saying all of that don't think i don't like Ganga. As others have said i think he is intelligent and represent his country well and i wish all the best for TNT but i'm not going to let a few victories at the 1st class level make me believe that the he is the next messiah.

  • POSTED BY why450 on | October 21, 2009, 12:29 GMT

    I am a Guyanese and i love my country but i also respect T&T's organization and play. They have without a doubt been the best side in the caribbean for years now. Ganga is a good captain and I strongly feel he can captain W.I but he first has to be able to make the team. When he plays, there is too much fear in him so he disappoints. The best I have seen him is against Australia in the Caribbean batting at no.3. Ganga work on making the team but that doesn't mean you will get the Captaincy because Gayle has generated great respect from the players but i do feel he would be a good Deputy to Gayle.

  • POSTED BY ChrisH on | October 21, 2009, 12:21 GMT

    And more misconceptions. Philip_Gnana, Sri Lanka is not a small island. It has 20 million people! That is almost twice as much people as in New York City proper and about the same amount as in the wider New York City area and nobody considers NYC to be small. Some of the islands you are talking about don't even have as many people as there are in Colombo, the capital of Sri Lanka (650,000) and the greater Colombo area has almost as much people as the entire WI (5 million). Sri Lanka is most definitely not a small island. Plus Sri Lanka's progress at the top level wasn't made rapidly, it was made through sustained good domestic cricket from about the 1930s/1940s and a full 40 years before they were admitted to the top level.

  • POSTED BY robheinen on | October 21, 2009, 10:43 GMT

    Daren is right in pushing the matter. It's been long enough now. Decision time. Time to get West Indies in the top rankings. { We miss you }

  • POSTED BY drekilladev99 on | October 21, 2009, 8:32 GMT

    I am a trini. Ganga has to be able to make the side before he can captain. That isn't going to happen. Chris may look lazy on the field but he is well respected around the caribbean. Chris is the man for the job.

  • POSTED BY debrajdon7521 on | October 21, 2009, 8:18 GMT

    t&t is a very good team and they are capable of winning the league i want pollard in kkr

  • POSTED BY Philip_Gnana on | October 21, 2009, 8:00 GMT

    Spot on here. We need to drill this in (use a SDS may be) into the WICB and the WI team to sort out their internal squabbles that is being hung out to dry for all to see. This team has shown what oneness and togetherness can do to a team. Team Spirit. No one player to take the plaudits all the time. Each one delivering when required. Stark warning to the rest of the West Indian nations here - Sort it out or we go it alone. It can only be good for cricket in the small islands to progress to One Nation representation at International level. If Sri Lanka the little island (may not be that small compared to T&T) can make rapid progress at top level why cannot the others do the same. Darren may not be the best of cricketers, but a Mike Brearly type of a player. Well done T&T. Well done DG. Philip Gnana, New Malden, Surrey

  • POSTED BY cricinme on | October 21, 2009, 7:52 GMT

    I dont think winning a 20/20 by T&T can bring any great change of fortunes in the West Indies. 20/20 is by far just a game of luck. The real test is a 50 over one day game and Test cricket. These games can be won by the best teams only but a 20/20 can be won by anyone. India won the first 20/20, Pakistan the next and West Indies or Bangladesh may be the next.

  • POSTED BY shanzz on | October 21, 2009, 7:50 GMT

    Best team of the tournament :)

  • POSTED BY wooozer on | October 21, 2009, 7:34 GMT

    Even the heading of this article illustrates one of the things that's wrong with West Indies Cricket. T n T do well and all of a sudden it's the rest of the Caribbean that needs to learn unity.

    Ganga's a good captain and T n T have been very successful. But Ganga was tried as WI captain and opener and both were woeful disasters.

    People like to make a lot of the fact that the West Indies team is a regional team but not a national team. But quite frankly that's a bunch of tosh. I support the West Indies because I'm a West Indian. I'm not a Trini but I'm rooting for the T n T team because I'm a West Indian.

  • POSTED BY ChrisH on | October 21, 2009, 6:38 GMT

    Odd, I point out AB235's misconception regarding the size of Bangladesh (pop: 160 million) and Zimbabwe (pop: 12 million) as being small teams and it doesn't get posted. I guess posting facts is discouraged. I suppose the fact that Ireland (pop: 6-7 million), Kenya (pop: 40 million) and the Netherlands (pop:16 million) also have more people than WI combined (6 million) and so will eventually have more players to draw on and have greater potential also won't get posted.

  • POSTED BY abhinavka on | October 21, 2009, 4:31 GMT

    watching Chris on the field lazing around gives you ample cause to doubt his commitment to the international game. the exuberance surrounding Ganga is the best sign for WI cricket. give the man another chance, he deserves it. and please do not dump him unceremoniously, as you did it, the last time around.

  • POSTED BY nafzak on | October 21, 2009, 3:35 GMT

    I am Guyanese and I want TnT to win.. That said, let's not get carried away. This T/20 competition has about 2 top players in each team and some more big names, most of whom are past their prime. TnT as some players alluded to, has been playing together for a lot longer than most of the other teams and you see it in their play. A lot of what Ganga says is true about patriotism etc. TnT currently has the best organised cricket in the WI. Plus they have semi-pro cricket competion. They also have the most money of any other WI country. Yes, we have loads of talent and as everyone knows, we need better management. Calls for Ganga to be captain is ridiculous. 1st he has to make the team on merit as a player and he can't. 2nd, what's wrong with Gayle? Gayle has support of most West Indians. MEJIASBOY is wrong about Gayle and the IPL, because that test series was NEVER on the calendar & was forced upon the players. I hope TnT win and show that YES, we have loads of Talent in ALL of Windies!

  • POSTED BY ian1wason on | October 20, 2009, 23:59 GMT

    while Ganga is the most intelligent cricketer in the Caribbean, Gayle has the support of the players, which is very crucial in leading the West Indies. Ganga may not have the support of the lads. Perhaps Gayle has to personally endorse Ganga if he is to have the support. Who ever leads the team after Gayle will find it difficult worse yet if he is still in the team. I heard tha Viv wanted to play in the 1992 world cup, but the board didnt want the new skipper Richardson to be undermined by Viv's prescence, perhaps it is the same here.

  • POSTED BY Nibor on | October 20, 2009, 23:32 GMT

    I hope for the semi-finals and finals they pick a team based on performance and not reputation and name. Despite Ravi Rampaul being our strike bowler, reality speaking he is not striking presently. It is a team effort so far,every player have stood up to the challenge and now the selectors have to play theirs. My option is that based on the Cobras last encounter with Daredevils, it was exposed that Cobras cannot play spin very good, so my pick will be simply Drop Ravi Rampaul and bring in Samuel Badree. Great Luck to my fellow countrymen in the semis and foreseeing the finals also. Win, Lose or draw i am very very proud of the Trinidad and Tobago Cricket team and to end on this note they have just proven that T&T cricket can compete at the international level. SMALL COUNTRY BUT HUGH HEARTS

  • POSTED BY ramgoat on | October 20, 2009, 23:09 GMT

    Daren Ganga is a good ambassador for his country and West Indies cricket,also an excellent leader.But he has to learn how to catch a cricket ball.

  • POSTED BY ChrisH on | October 20, 2009, 22:10 GMT

    "One of the nuances of the WI & WI Cricket that outsiders will find hard to grasp is that though Ganga will speak incessantly of WI unity and representing the region, many WI people outside of T&T are not as pleased with T&T's success."

    lazytrini, I would challenge that assertion. I'm a West Indian and not a trini and I've been thrilled with T&T's performance so far. I also know quite a number of other non-trini West Indians (from Guyana, Jamaica and elsewhere) who are equally pleased. These are actual cricket fans. The ones you must be talking about and have encountered must be football fans first and cricket fans second and must be some of those narrow-minded people we find everywhere (including throughout all of the WI including T&T unfortunately) who for some reason or another are just generally spiteful about anyone's success, especially the success of those who aren't their countrymen. They are pitiful really and it's a shame such a minority appears to be so vocal.

  • POSTED BY lostxboy on | October 20, 2009, 21:20 GMT

    I think everyone is getting carried away by ganga as being this "great" captain. It seems all of the fans forgot that the west indies themselves are a really good t20 team, and thats all that Ganga and Trinidad and tobago are proving, they are a good 2020 team. This doesnt mean that Ganga is fit to be the next windies captain. I mean he hasnt even won the domestic competitions even with this "great" array of players, in god knows how long. Please people wake up and get out of the 2020 hypnosis.

  • POSTED BY a2keffect on | October 20, 2009, 19:44 GMT

    Now the time has come for carribbean cricket to play and represent their own island team seperatelty in world cricket.For instance domestic team are performing better than WI team

  • POSTED BY SherwoodForest on | October 20, 2009, 19:26 GMT

    The courage to lead, and the humility to lead well. WICB, you have the captain West Indies really needs.

  • POSTED BY Challie on | October 20, 2009, 19:01 GMT

    What a Great idea!! It may sound CraZy, but I think that Darren may be on to something here. If the WICB cannot get on track, then T&T would go the way of countries like Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. It will be painful initially, but eventually things will stabilize. What will happen later is that other Caribbean players will "petition" to play for Trinidad, which will strengthen the side. They will potentially get 1 "good" player from this island, and 1 "good" player from that island. Bye, bye West Indies…Hello T&T!

    Time to get rid of that noose, WICB!

    What I am waiting for is for T&T to turn Usain "Lightening" Bolt into a fast bowler, ala Jeff Thompson and Mike Holding (read Terrorizer). Then he can come in there and start hunting for scalps! Sounds like a thing of beauty. I heard that Bolt was playing cricket a few days ago, and bowled Gayle. I hope de man wasn't spinning, because that would have been Ugly, and down-right disappointing.

    Go T&T, Go…You Have Made Us Proud!

  • POSTED BY MejiasBoy on | October 20, 2009, 18:19 GMT

    I TOTALLY agree with Gevelis! How can we as the WI have a captain that prefers to play in the IPL AND SHOW UP 2 DAYS BEFORE A TEST MATCH! That is a total disregard for your coaching staff as well as your players. As captain you are supposed to lead from the front. Seeing Gayle's body language and demeanor tells me that he should not be captain, nor should he be in the squad. It is just sad when a man such as Daren Ganga who displays team spirit and unity NOT be captain of the WI regardless of his achievements or lack there of. It is also a shame that other Caribbean Islands outside of Trinidad wont respond to a Trinidadian captain, as we all know there is some jealousy amongst the islands directed at Trinidad, it is the truth. If the WI is 100% Jamaicans so what, if that is the best team to put out i am all for it, or even if 100% Bajans as long as the West Indies team shows UNITY!West Indies can learn a lot from Australia and Ricky Ponting as that is a well oil machine that is united.

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | October 20, 2009, 18:04 GMT

    perhaps Chris hasnt diligently practiced discussing tactics with his bowlers. i guess he thinks that the bowlers should be able to think on their own feet. however if the bowler or any other player has a problem with stategies or decisions they can also grow sum balls & brains & make suggestions to the captain/ vice captain. is chris really that unapproachable? efficient communication is key in all activities involving more than 1 person so if you feel ignored, uncomfortable or think you have a way to improve results dont sit on your ass & wait for someone to ask you anything, make the first move to communicate.Sir Viv & Loyd were 2 great captains but i am sure they did not always have to tell Holding, Garner, Croft , Roberts & co what to do or ask what they wanted him to do. Also Gevelsis, each player is responsible for his own performance. how stupid would it sound if anyone said that 'i could not make runs /bowl well because my captain thinks he is so cool & its distracting me'

  • POSTED BY Jarr30 on | October 20, 2009, 16:48 GMT

    Daren Ganga is a wonderful ambassador for his country and region. I hope he has a bigger role to play in the WI eleven because he is not only a good player but he is also intellegent. Being an Indian I hope and pray that T&T win this champion's League and show West Indian administrators when the team is united, it can do wonders. It's a lesson for everyone and specially for two fighting parties, the WI players & WI administrators.

  • POSTED BY AB235 on | October 20, 2009, 16:19 GMT

    Independent of the current disputes, independent of the current top level perforamnce of T&T and ignoring the legacy of Caribbean cricket, I have always thought that all major teams comprised of WI should go it all alone. If such small and inconsistent teams like Zimbabwe, Bangladesh could play test cricket, if some others like Kenya, Ireland, Holland can play one day cricket, I strongly believe that teams like Jamaica, T&T, Barbados, Guyana all can play for their respective countries that the hopelessly combined West Indies. It worked well in the past, but in today's commercialised environment, it does not work well. There will always be differences of national preferences and prejudices. I believe that the current imbroglio in WI cricket is the best thing to achieve what I believe is the right thing for WI cricket. That will give greater exposure to so many of the wonderful cricketers produced in the Caribbean islands.

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | October 20, 2009, 16:10 GMT

    Majr it seems you are a tad overly optimistic & loyal. we all no we have talented cricketers. but they lack the nack to rise to occasion when the battle is toughest. i understand that gayle isnt an ideal captain. but where is a better replacement? sarwan & shiv tasted the 'poisoned chalice' & said 'no more please!' but gayle has improved his cricket since taking the lead playing a key role in the wisden trophy by scoring 100s in kingston & trinidad. if it wasn't for dyson's mistake we would hav won the odi series too. i dont condone his behaviour at times but the actions of WICB & the weather in England could hav gotten the better of many other captains. i believe we should just move on. Also where is the great improvement ganga has made to warrant him being in the squad much more being captain? we knew he talented & smart from day 1 but what improvement he make since we lose by innings & 283 runs at Leeds in 07 under his captaincy.

  • POSTED BY kingstonsfinest on | October 20, 2009, 15:11 GMT

    I totally agree azaro you will not find a more classy inteligent cricketer than Darren Ganga, I believe he should be the captain of the WI or even vice captain, but the only problem is his disapointing run with the bat, as stand in captain in England he struggled as opener, and could not make the one day team and sad to say his test average of 25 and first class average of 36 speak of tremendous underacheivment. Even Brendan Nash is an easier pick with his test average of 38 and the steel he adds to the middle order yet I beleive Ganga is much more talented than Nash!! I want to see Ganga play a roll in the Windies structure but I dont want to watch another Floyd Reifer experiment go bad in Australia, where I think the Windies will be be beaten pretty badly no matter who plays.

  • POSTED BY Gevelsis on | October 20, 2009, 14:56 GMT

    Well it might take a while for WI to begome a great team again, but the team selected by Majr looks good -with one exception: GAYLE MUST GO.

    His idea of himself as being Mr. SuperCool is a misplaced and unnecessary distraction which impresses nobody and inhibits his team mates, Ganga has shown in this T20 series that what matters is team spirit and to be seen to be enjoying what you do - play with passion!! Not standing at slip worrying about your dreadlocks and how your sunglasses make you look like a millionaire (and never talking tactics with your bowlers!).

    In a region where the majority of you support comes from fans who have to be content with having very little in the way of material riches, visible ostentation of any kind is tasteless and insensitive.

    Who is the most consistently successful and yet the most modest batsman in world cricket today? Shiv Chanderpaul of course - now HE is cool. No show-off.

    Ganga is a great captain because he communicates. GAYLE MUST GO!!!

  • POSTED BY GowharGeelani on | October 20, 2009, 14:40 GMT

    What D Ganga has said makes a lot of sense. Players like Gayle, Sarwan, Chanderpaul, Samuels and Bravos should be respected and the administrators can't get away with sending mediocre teams for the competitions at the highest level just for the sake of their egos...This has been a problem with south asian cricket boards too. See how Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka disregard their greats like Akram, Waqar, Miandad, Inzy, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Desilva, Ranatunga...these men served their countries for years together and brought honours to their country, great ambassadors of the game around the world but how are they treated...Now a player like Dravid who has scored almost 22 thousand runs struggles to get a place in the ODI squad? This is a shame to BCCI..Virat Kohli's and Raina's can't stand no where before Dravid's technique...A man with an average of nearly 40 in ODI's and above 50 in tests should be shown some respect...we saw same treatment mete out to VVS Laxman and Ganguly too.

  • POSTED BY lazytrini on | October 20, 2009, 14:39 GMT

    In Darren Ganga's stint as captain he got even less support from fellow players than Brian Lara did, and that's saying something. Chris Gayle will not play in any other role than captain in any format, regardless of his disdain for test cricket, and know this - his dismissal of Test cricket was genuine. The hard choice that has to be made is this: for the appearance of unity continue with the somewhat popular pre-conflict captain whose heart is not in the job, or make a fresh start with a potentially better and more dedicated captain who will not have the support of the whole team or region. One of the nuances of the WI & WI Cricket that outsiders will find hard to grasp is that though Ganga will speak incessantly of WI unity and representing the region, many WI people outside of T&T are not as pleased with T&T's success. Factor in that the board's hierarchy is traditionally Bdos & Jam centric and WIPA has the appearance of being T&T-centric and we are not looking at a simple solution.

  • POSTED BY HumanSyndrome on | October 20, 2009, 14:26 GMT

    I have been expounding what Daren Ganga has been saying and demonstrating that unity is strength. More importantly, he has further exposed the Boards, especially the WICB, that their behaviour towards the players and giving ground to the changes that are inevitable and occuring around the world should be embraced and not fought every step of the way. Hopefully, all parties, including the players would realize that West Indies has potentially the strong team in the World - if only we can work together to solve the various issures and become a team like T&T. We need leadership both at Board levels and also at the team level. The question has been raised, is Daren Ganga, the right person to lead the West Indies team. I am not sure as the calibre of players increase, Ganga has to also prove that he belongs in the top tier. Leadership by example at this time is also critical. Winning the 20/20 competition is a very good start.

  • POSTED BY NBRADEE on | October 20, 2009, 14:26 GMT

    I do hope that many are paying attention to some of the important facts coming out of this tournament, chief of them being that fans are starting to rally around their teams regardless of who is playing for them, and the outcomes. I am highly doubtful that Australians will turn out in droves to see Ponting lead others wearing the Baggy Green onto a field in Australia on the first day of Test match in which the Aussies have already lost (compare to the support given to the BRC vs. Delhi Daredevils on Saturday last, Divali day to boot!). This augurs well for this version of the sport, which is still at an embryonic stage of development. This is why Team TnT is doing well; as we saw in "The Day The Earth Stood Still", we all evolve when pushed to the brink, forced to innovate as we must. Darren Ganga has already done so, and he is leading men to face adversity and conquer it as well. I am still not sure if this will be good enough to allow him to walk back into the WI team, though.

  • POSTED BY azaro on | October 20, 2009, 13:37 GMT

    Daren Ganga is all class and a wonderful ambassador for his country and region.

  • POSTED BY Percy_Fender on | October 20, 2009, 13:18 GMT

    There is nothing more heartening for me than to see,what I believe is the resurgence of West Indies as the greatest in cricket. The uninhibited style of play of the T and T team in the Champion's trophy is what I have always known to be a part of the famed Calypso spirit. Of rum, rap and reggae and then some cricket. I am eagerly looking forward to the full team's tour to Australia this winter. To me Gayle Barath,Sarwan, Chanderpaul,Pollard,the Ganga brothers, Millet, Edwards, Taylor, Roach and Tonge can really give the Australians the run of the late 80s again.Darren Ganga should captain the side because he is intelligent and motivated to give West Indies the identity of a nation not a group of disparate islands. I wish they win the Champions League because that will revive interest in the game amongst their people. I also hope someone really big sponsors this team because they are the true Champions of cricket.Their popularity in India just shows that mine is not a lone voice.

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  • POSTED BY Percy_Fender on | October 20, 2009, 13:18 GMT

    There is nothing more heartening for me than to see,what I believe is the resurgence of West Indies as the greatest in cricket. The uninhibited style of play of the T and T team in the Champion's trophy is what I have always known to be a part of the famed Calypso spirit. Of rum, rap and reggae and then some cricket. I am eagerly looking forward to the full team's tour to Australia this winter. To me Gayle Barath,Sarwan, Chanderpaul,Pollard,the Ganga brothers, Millet, Edwards, Taylor, Roach and Tonge can really give the Australians the run of the late 80s again.Darren Ganga should captain the side because he is intelligent and motivated to give West Indies the identity of a nation not a group of disparate islands. I wish they win the Champions League because that will revive interest in the game amongst their people. I also hope someone really big sponsors this team because they are the true Champions of cricket.Their popularity in India just shows that mine is not a lone voice.

  • POSTED BY azaro on | October 20, 2009, 13:37 GMT

    Daren Ganga is all class and a wonderful ambassador for his country and region.

  • POSTED BY NBRADEE on | October 20, 2009, 14:26 GMT

    I do hope that many are paying attention to some of the important facts coming out of this tournament, chief of them being that fans are starting to rally around their teams regardless of who is playing for them, and the outcomes. I am highly doubtful that Australians will turn out in droves to see Ponting lead others wearing the Baggy Green onto a field in Australia on the first day of Test match in which the Aussies have already lost (compare to the support given to the BRC vs. Delhi Daredevils on Saturday last, Divali day to boot!). This augurs well for this version of the sport, which is still at an embryonic stage of development. This is why Team TnT is doing well; as we saw in "The Day The Earth Stood Still", we all evolve when pushed to the brink, forced to innovate as we must. Darren Ganga has already done so, and he is leading men to face adversity and conquer it as well. I am still not sure if this will be good enough to allow him to walk back into the WI team, though.

  • POSTED BY HumanSyndrome on | October 20, 2009, 14:26 GMT

    I have been expounding what Daren Ganga has been saying and demonstrating that unity is strength. More importantly, he has further exposed the Boards, especially the WICB, that their behaviour towards the players and giving ground to the changes that are inevitable and occuring around the world should be embraced and not fought every step of the way. Hopefully, all parties, including the players would realize that West Indies has potentially the strong team in the World - if only we can work together to solve the various issures and become a team like T&T. We need leadership both at Board levels and also at the team level. The question has been raised, is Daren Ganga, the right person to lead the West Indies team. I am not sure as the calibre of players increase, Ganga has to also prove that he belongs in the top tier. Leadership by example at this time is also critical. Winning the 20/20 competition is a very good start.

  • POSTED BY lazytrini on | October 20, 2009, 14:39 GMT

    In Darren Ganga's stint as captain he got even less support from fellow players than Brian Lara did, and that's saying something. Chris Gayle will not play in any other role than captain in any format, regardless of his disdain for test cricket, and know this - his dismissal of Test cricket was genuine. The hard choice that has to be made is this: for the appearance of unity continue with the somewhat popular pre-conflict captain whose heart is not in the job, or make a fresh start with a potentially better and more dedicated captain who will not have the support of the whole team or region. One of the nuances of the WI & WI Cricket that outsiders will find hard to grasp is that though Ganga will speak incessantly of WI unity and representing the region, many WI people outside of T&T are not as pleased with T&T's success. Factor in that the board's hierarchy is traditionally Bdos & Jam centric and WIPA has the appearance of being T&T-centric and we are not looking at a simple solution.

  • POSTED BY GowharGeelani on | October 20, 2009, 14:40 GMT

    What D Ganga has said makes a lot of sense. Players like Gayle, Sarwan, Chanderpaul, Samuels and Bravos should be respected and the administrators can't get away with sending mediocre teams for the competitions at the highest level just for the sake of their egos...This has been a problem with south asian cricket boards too. See how Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka disregard their greats like Akram, Waqar, Miandad, Inzy, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Desilva, Ranatunga...these men served their countries for years together and brought honours to their country, great ambassadors of the game around the world but how are they treated...Now a player like Dravid who has scored almost 22 thousand runs struggles to get a place in the ODI squad? This is a shame to BCCI..Virat Kohli's and Raina's can't stand no where before Dravid's technique...A man with an average of nearly 40 in ODI's and above 50 in tests should be shown some respect...we saw same treatment mete out to VVS Laxman and Ganguly too.

  • POSTED BY Gevelsis on | October 20, 2009, 14:56 GMT

    Well it might take a while for WI to begome a great team again, but the team selected by Majr looks good -with one exception: GAYLE MUST GO.

    His idea of himself as being Mr. SuperCool is a misplaced and unnecessary distraction which impresses nobody and inhibits his team mates, Ganga has shown in this T20 series that what matters is team spirit and to be seen to be enjoying what you do - play with passion!! Not standing at slip worrying about your dreadlocks and how your sunglasses make you look like a millionaire (and never talking tactics with your bowlers!).

    In a region where the majority of you support comes from fans who have to be content with having very little in the way of material riches, visible ostentation of any kind is tasteless and insensitive.

    Who is the most consistently successful and yet the most modest batsman in world cricket today? Shiv Chanderpaul of course - now HE is cool. No show-off.

    Ganga is a great captain because he communicates. GAYLE MUST GO!!!

  • POSTED BY kingstonsfinest on | October 20, 2009, 15:11 GMT

    I totally agree azaro you will not find a more classy inteligent cricketer than Darren Ganga, I believe he should be the captain of the WI or even vice captain, but the only problem is his disapointing run with the bat, as stand in captain in England he struggled as opener, and could not make the one day team and sad to say his test average of 25 and first class average of 36 speak of tremendous underacheivment. Even Brendan Nash is an easier pick with his test average of 38 and the steel he adds to the middle order yet I beleive Ganga is much more talented than Nash!! I want to see Ganga play a roll in the Windies structure but I dont want to watch another Floyd Reifer experiment go bad in Australia, where I think the Windies will be be beaten pretty badly no matter who plays.

  • POSTED BY gottalovetheraindance on | October 20, 2009, 16:10 GMT

    Majr it seems you are a tad overly optimistic & loyal. we all no we have talented cricketers. but they lack the nack to rise to occasion when the battle is toughest. i understand that gayle isnt an ideal captain. but where is a better replacement? sarwan & shiv tasted the 'poisoned chalice' & said 'no more please!' but gayle has improved his cricket since taking the lead playing a key role in the wisden trophy by scoring 100s in kingston & trinidad. if it wasn't for dyson's mistake we would hav won the odi series too. i dont condone his behaviour at times but the actions of WICB & the weather in England could hav gotten the better of many other captains. i believe we should just move on. Also where is the great improvement ganga has made to warrant him being in the squad much more being captain? we knew he talented & smart from day 1 but what improvement he make since we lose by innings & 283 runs at Leeds in 07 under his captaincy.

  • POSTED BY AB235 on | October 20, 2009, 16:19 GMT

    Independent of the current disputes, independent of the current top level perforamnce of T&T and ignoring the legacy of Caribbean cricket, I have always thought that all major teams comprised of WI should go it all alone. If such small and inconsistent teams like Zimbabwe, Bangladesh could play test cricket, if some others like Kenya, Ireland, Holland can play one day cricket, I strongly believe that teams like Jamaica, T&T, Barbados, Guyana all can play for their respective countries that the hopelessly combined West Indies. It worked well in the past, but in today's commercialised environment, it does not work well. There will always be differences of national preferences and prejudices. I believe that the current imbroglio in WI cricket is the best thing to achieve what I believe is the right thing for WI cricket. That will give greater exposure to so many of the wonderful cricketers produced in the Caribbean islands.