The Ashes 2013-14 November 19, 2013

Haddin critical of 'insecure' Arthur

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Australia's vice-captain Brad Haddin has delivered a stinging critique of the Mickey Arthur era, saying the former coach was "very, very insecure" during his time in the job and contributed to the suffocating team atmosphere that culminated in the suspension of four players in India and his eventual sacking.

Haddin will play his 50th Test at the Gabba at the start of the Ashes series, and said the national team had now returned to firmer ground under the mentoring of Darren Lehmann, who replaced Arthur before the previous encounter with England during the northern summer. In contrast to the relaxed yet focused atmosphere he sees now, Haddin said that under Arthur the team lost track of the brand of cricket required to win.

"I think with Darren coming in, the message he's got across, the brand of cricket that we want to play, and I think you guys understand the brand that Australian cricket wanted to play and what we have forever and a day, I think that got lost in the period that Mickey had a hold of us," Haddin said. "I don't think he understood and was secure enough in himself to get us to where we needed to go, and it's actually been refreshing coming into a campaign, smiles on guys' faces enjoying the game for what it is, a great game of cricket.

"I think what Boof (Lehmann) does is he understands the game and he encourages guys to talk about the game and the bottom line is it's a game of cricket. He's a very well-respected person in cricket circles and he's a good person. The one thing he gives the group that Mickey didn't, he was very, very insecure and that came across in a lot of our selections and our play I think to be perfectly honest. Under Darren we've got a clear message of where we want to go and how we're going to get there. He's able to help guys on the way to get to that point."

Haddin's time behind the stumps for the Test team was interrupted when he flew home from the West Indies in early 2012 to be with his seriously ill daughter Mia, a period of personal struggle that allowed Matthew Wade to take his place. However Wade's injury after the second Test of the series in India had Haddin flying to the subcontinent, where he was taken aback by the scene he encountered.

"That wasn't the Australian cricket team that I knew when I flew into Mohali," Haddin said. "That was a unique situation which in all seriousness I can't really explain it. It was uncomfortable, walking into it. Guys jumping at shadows and the insecurity around everything that was being done, so just refreshing to get back here now and enjoy the game for what it is, a great game and been great for all of us."

Reinstated as the No. 1 wicketkeeper for the England tour, Haddin went within 15 runs of a stealing a memorable victory in the first Test at Trent Bridge, before claiming a world record for dismissals in a Test series. He said the team was now looking towards the Brisbane Test with plenty of resolve, having failed to nail the critical moments in the earlier battles.

"I feel things feel a lot more settled going into this campaign than the last," Haddin said. "I think we started to play the cricket we wanted at the back end of the last Ashes. I think the result was a fair indication of where everything was at. We had moments in that series where we didn't quite grab hold of and England deserved to be 3-0 up. So we've gone away and looked at things we need to improve and it's no secret we need to win those big moments so we're more settled with where we're at and where we're trying to go."

Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • testcric4ever on November 20, 2013, 6:03 GMT

    Didn't rate Arthur that highly as a coach of SAF *choke*, with the WA warriors it was poor performances and ill-discipline, and, not surprisingly, at the helm of the national team much the same.

  • Tony_C on November 20, 2013, 4:42 GMT

    Haddin totally ignores the fact that less than half this Australian team could be described as world class players - unlike the team of, say, 5, 10 or 15 years ago. It's just a cycle, and you can't blame the coach for that. Haddin himself is no Gilchrist or Healy, so he'd be wise to stop the blame game and concentrate on his own game!

  • on November 20, 2013, 4:21 GMT

    Aussies used to sack non-performing people aggressive than any other teams and setting a high standard, Haddin is the only exception.

  • Big_Maxy_Walker on November 20, 2013, 2:56 GMT

    How about you Brad? How about leadership from you? Or have you forgotten the many dropped catches of yours and the fantastic watch as the ball goes past you school of keeping you enjoy. And cant forget your slogging, I mean batting. How many times has the national side needed you to dig in yet you throw your wicket away with a ridiculous shot? You don't even deserve to be in the team on merit. Only the vice captaincy is keeping you in the team, just like Bailey has been picked in case a captain is needed when Clarke's back goes on him.

  • Big_Maxy_Walker on November 20, 2013, 2:56 GMT

    How about you Brad? How about leadership from you? Or have you forgotten the many dropped catches of yours and the fantastic watch as the ball goes past you school of keeping you enjoy. And cant forget your slogging, I mean batting. How many times has the national side needed you to dig in yet you throw your wicket away with a ridiculous shot? You don't even deserve to be in the team on merit. Only the vice captaincy is keeping you in the team, just like Bailey has been picked in case a captain is needed when Clarke's back goes on him.

  • 2MikeGattings on November 20, 2013, 1:20 GMT

    I recognize this team since India. They are the ones that haven't won a test.

  • brisCricFan on November 20, 2013, 1:19 GMT

    @Diane Skinner; Come on Diane, just because he was the one eventually pinned to the wall doesn't automatically make him the victim...

    As a batsman, Clarke's skill and ability is undeniable and history will record him highly in Australian Cricket. As an on-field tactician he has flare and shows courage and creativity in equal measure...

    The people don't warm to him outside of these two roles because he does not resonate with the average bloke watching the game and from an outsiders perspective he hasn't commanded the respect from his own troops that his predecessors have seemed to have done. Now that may not be true inside the dressing room, but most never get a glimpse of that.

    Clarke has come out in support of Mickey Arthur and said he felt a common bond... a man that didn't resonate with the average bloke, and didn't have support of the team around him... we seeing a picture here?

  • on November 20, 2013, 0:46 GMT

    This Australian side looks much better ... totaly different frame of mind. they are surely going to surprise us and win this test Match series .. mark my words!

  • on November 20, 2013, 0:24 GMT

    What was the Ashes scoreline again a couple of months ago? It didn't happen under Arthur, did it?

  • couchpundit on November 19, 2013, 23:45 GMT

    @AamirKhan-SuperStar - do you even know what hard fought test match is.....recently ended Ashes was like England wanting to loose and Australia defying them...in that sense it was hard fought

  • testcric4ever on November 20, 2013, 6:03 GMT

    Didn't rate Arthur that highly as a coach of SAF *choke*, with the WA warriors it was poor performances and ill-discipline, and, not surprisingly, at the helm of the national team much the same.

  • Tony_C on November 20, 2013, 4:42 GMT

    Haddin totally ignores the fact that less than half this Australian team could be described as world class players - unlike the team of, say, 5, 10 or 15 years ago. It's just a cycle, and you can't blame the coach for that. Haddin himself is no Gilchrist or Healy, so he'd be wise to stop the blame game and concentrate on his own game!

  • on November 20, 2013, 4:21 GMT

    Aussies used to sack non-performing people aggressive than any other teams and setting a high standard, Haddin is the only exception.

  • Big_Maxy_Walker on November 20, 2013, 2:56 GMT

    How about you Brad? How about leadership from you? Or have you forgotten the many dropped catches of yours and the fantastic watch as the ball goes past you school of keeping you enjoy. And cant forget your slogging, I mean batting. How many times has the national side needed you to dig in yet you throw your wicket away with a ridiculous shot? You don't even deserve to be in the team on merit. Only the vice captaincy is keeping you in the team, just like Bailey has been picked in case a captain is needed when Clarke's back goes on him.

  • Big_Maxy_Walker on November 20, 2013, 2:56 GMT

    How about you Brad? How about leadership from you? Or have you forgotten the many dropped catches of yours and the fantastic watch as the ball goes past you school of keeping you enjoy. And cant forget your slogging, I mean batting. How many times has the national side needed you to dig in yet you throw your wicket away with a ridiculous shot? You don't even deserve to be in the team on merit. Only the vice captaincy is keeping you in the team, just like Bailey has been picked in case a captain is needed when Clarke's back goes on him.

  • 2MikeGattings on November 20, 2013, 1:20 GMT

    I recognize this team since India. They are the ones that haven't won a test.

  • brisCricFan on November 20, 2013, 1:19 GMT

    @Diane Skinner; Come on Diane, just because he was the one eventually pinned to the wall doesn't automatically make him the victim...

    As a batsman, Clarke's skill and ability is undeniable and history will record him highly in Australian Cricket. As an on-field tactician he has flare and shows courage and creativity in equal measure...

    The people don't warm to him outside of these two roles because he does not resonate with the average bloke watching the game and from an outsiders perspective he hasn't commanded the respect from his own troops that his predecessors have seemed to have done. Now that may not be true inside the dressing room, but most never get a glimpse of that.

    Clarke has come out in support of Mickey Arthur and said he felt a common bond... a man that didn't resonate with the average bloke, and didn't have support of the team around him... we seeing a picture here?

  • on November 20, 2013, 0:46 GMT

    This Australian side looks much better ... totaly different frame of mind. they are surely going to surprise us and win this test Match series .. mark my words!

  • on November 20, 2013, 0:24 GMT

    What was the Ashes scoreline again a couple of months ago? It didn't happen under Arthur, did it?

  • couchpundit on November 19, 2013, 23:45 GMT

    @AamirKhan-SuperStar - do you even know what hard fought test match is.....recently ended Ashes was like England wanting to loose and Australia defying them...in that sense it was hard fought

  • on November 19, 2013, 23:44 GMT

    Haddin is a dying breed of cricketer. He plays the game in the Steve Waugh mould. He sees test cricket as a battle, not a popularity contest.

    He is obviously a good leader in a team which probably doesn't have the best captain in terms of leadership. Clarkes technical captaincy is fine but im not sure he is a great leader of men.

  • couchpundit on November 19, 2013, 23:43 GMT

    talk about judgement by haddin...we need to ask every captain who wasted DRS based on haddin's suggestions...Australian cricket will be better if captains dont discuss with him for DRS quota.

  • WeirPicki on November 19, 2013, 23:25 GMT

    Surely Haddin is on his last legs, Paine is a far better keeper.

  • dorothydix on November 19, 2013, 23:18 GMT

    It was clear that Arthur was not a good choice and the blame for it and the consequences must go to the appointees. Australian cricketers think and approach the game very differently and it is very difficult for outsiders to tap and gel into that. This was compounded by the fact that Arthur had only been an average cricketer so respect was always going to be difficult to get from the players. Steve Rixon should have always got the job particularly as he has great respect from past and present players. Its time those in charge of the game in Australia were made accountable for their poor decisions over the past few years. Fortunately one of the last knee jerk decisions, that is appointing Lehmann, was a good one!

  • OneEyedAussie on November 19, 2013, 22:49 GMT

    So Haddin is in the side of some kind "senior leader" style player and he is still talking about Arthur? Time to move on and let the results speak for themselves Brad. Now, I'm sure Haddin was asked a question about Arthur but he could still have answered like a gentleman.

  • ShutTheGate on November 19, 2013, 22:12 GMT

    All this speculation of Australia not being able to win based on past performances is getting tiresome. Luckily we only have a day until the cricket will do the talking.

    If you're going to bring up the past then didn't English cricket die at the oval on the 29th of August 1882?

    From an Australian fans perspective I hope our guys play with courage and fight until the death if we loose. The sudden batting collapses in the last ashes were very frustrating to watch.

    Anyway I'm predicting there will be 2 or 3 draws in this series so again the series may come down to several key moments.

  • hhillbumper on November 19, 2013, 20:57 GMT

    So if Aus lose this series is it still MIckys fault because as so many Aus fans have pointed out how well the Aus players are doing at the moment.Also if England lose can we blame their poor preparation? All this of course becomes unimportant once the matches start but lets see what happens.

  • on November 19, 2013, 20:31 GMT

    How ominous is it that the captain and vice captain seem to have polar opposite views of Mickey Arthur? Interesting to fast forward five years and read Pup's autobiography and see what his opinion on Boof is.

  • eddiehemmingswobble on November 19, 2013, 15:29 GMT

    I can only be alarmed at the Australian build up to the series. It bares all the hallmarks of England in the 90's. Whilst England are all about who will play and who won't, Australia are about personalities and rifts between over inflated ego's from the present and past era. We just can't seem to keep the focus on the cricket. I'm worried.

  • Beertjie on November 19, 2013, 14:44 GMT

    Agree entirely @Unomaas on (November 19, 2013, 8.19 GMT): I'd prefer Paine in sooner rather than later but given Clarke's precarious fitness and Watto out of the reckoning, Haddin has to stay until someone viable can fill in as v-c. Arthur was useless but shouldn't be made a scapegoat for dismal man-management.

  • on November 19, 2013, 14:30 GMT

    This sounds like if you are not Australian you are not welcome to cooach us .

  • AamirKhan-SuperStar on November 19, 2013, 14:18 GMT

    Loved the last ashes series. Cant wait for this one, just love the hard fought test cricket.

  • muzika_tchaikovskogo on November 19, 2013, 13:30 GMT

    It remains to be seen whether the 'happy' atmosphere translates into improved performances on the field. I suspect this is all pre-series bluff from the Australians

  • landl47 on November 19, 2013, 13:30 GMT

    Haddin plays the game with a smile, which is how it should be played. He's not the greatest WK/Batsman, but he's a competent and experienced player who helps his side. It's good to know that the Australians are enjoying cricket again and hopefully we'll see an enthralling series.

    In the long run, that's what it's all about.

  • Front-Foot-Sponge on November 19, 2013, 12:59 GMT

    He isn't blaming Authur for anything, you are reading into that. What he is saying is that the Aussie set up feels like a good place to be right now. That's all. There's no infighting in the Aussie camp, none more then there would be in the England ranks. No Aussie has ever text the opposition or demanded the coach be sacked but it happens in England. But that's historical and we are in the present now.

  • YorkshirePudding on November 19, 2013, 12:52 GMT

    The question you have to ask is wh did MA feel insecure was it due to pressure from the board or the fact that a group of players basically ignored him. Its a little like the KP/Moores fall out where Moores felt underminded by KP and KP didnt like Moores.

  • bobbo2 on November 19, 2013, 12:26 GMT

    So it that why Haddin drops simple catches and throws his wicket away?

  • Cricket24 on November 19, 2013, 12:26 GMT

    @rambler960, his average is around 33 in tests, which although not the best, is what Australia have to deal with. Also, he had a great series behind the stumps in the Ashes, and often bailed out mitchel starc on multiple occasions. He also is a senior guy and with a crop of young kids, he's a perfect role model.

  • Gordo85 on November 19, 2013, 12:24 GMT

    I guess that Haddin didn't like Arthur because probably if a Wicketkeeper isn't playing well and hasn't made many Test runs of late he would drop him. Poor Darren Lehmann I thought he was going to bring in one of his old Queensland ex teammates (When he coached them), but obviously his suggestions fall on deaf ears and it shows. The only good thing about Haddin was his keeping wasn't too bad but yet a few did go down but runs are just as important when your team needs them and when you are made Vice Captain for no real reason other than you are "good in the change room" oh please.

  • mahjut on November 19, 2013, 12:10 GMT

    lol ... at least the team is smiling even if no-one else can fathom why - have they even won a test (match, not series) with Boof in charge? If I can say one positive then it's that MJ has looked fearsome for the first time since 2009 (but he HAS shown glimpses since so one wonders...)

  • WarVdm on November 19, 2013, 11:54 GMT

    What will be said if England win the Ashes agian? That would make it 4 Ashes wins in a row, both home and away. Blame Arthur if you want ,seeing that he isn't an Aussie, he seems to have become an easy (dumb) target. The truth is that Australia have suffered a HUGE talent loss from one generation to the next, save a few players, the rest of the team wouldn't have made their state teams between 1993 and 2007. Perhaps Cricket Australia did something wrong developing and grooming players after the year 2000, when the current lot of players were aged between 13 to 18. Funny how Australia has also suffered from a huge generation loss in Rugby Union, Soccer and Tennis. Perhaps their was less investment in sport after the Sydney Olympics in 2000? It seems like most people prefer blaming coaches rather than adrresing this issue, which obviously a lot more scarier due to the long term ramifications.

  • Donian on November 19, 2013, 11:51 GMT

    Yep, Mickey, rather than some other obvious things, was the sole problem. But now that he's gone, the road to Ashes victory is thankfully all clear.

  • vvbr on November 19, 2013, 11:45 GMT

    Also, if Australia did reasonably well in this Ashes it's because of the fast bowlers not because of the batsmen!

  • Mitch1066 on November 19, 2013, 11:43 GMT

    Aussies seam be in better position under boof . However England are still good side and I reserve judgement until series is over.

  • xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on November 19, 2013, 11:43 GMT

    As with everything else the England team leads the way. Whether it is texting the opposition with bowling hints, passing water on bouncers or pitches or arrogant team members in the dressing room the answer just has to be reintegration and healthy eating.

  • on November 19, 2013, 11:26 GMT

    What does Clarke need to do to get loyalty from both the players and the press? He has constantly set challenges for the other team to try and make a contest of games. I feel he never got a fair go when he took over the captaincy with Ponting never really supporting him. Why is he still the villain when Katich pinned HIM against the wall!!! He has consistently been the best batsman..it just seems that his greatest problem is other people's jealousy!!

  • Mitch1066 on November 19, 2013, 11:26 GMT

    Sounds to me passing the buck . Yes maybe boof improved the culture within Aussie team. However you still need score the runs etc . I don't like the Aussie press attacking. England it shows of disrespect . I'm reserving my judgement til ashes is over unlike so many armchair pundits and even pundits who know a lot more about cricket then I will ever do however think it just point scoring unless it balanced view . Why carnt they just respect England have good team . Like all years Aussies had great side.

  • CricketMaan on November 19, 2013, 11:22 GMT

    Haddin has found a scapegoat in Arthur. He may not have coached Aus well, but he wasn't the only reason for all the problems. Aus has lost its sheen and aura. They dont yet have players that can win sessions, games on thier own. And Haddin at this stage is top of that list with his batting. Time will tell whether Darren has had an impact on this set up.

  • Clyde on November 19, 2013, 10:47 GMT

    Clarke does not come across to me as someone who exudes leadership determination just by his presence, as the great Australian captains, like Benaud, Simpson, Chappelli, Waugh, Border, Taylor, did. He is one of the most unreadable characters I have ever seen on a cricket field. Yet, his innings often display great character. Strange. I don't understand it. I have never read a journalistic explanation of the process by which the person Clarke translates into a Test team's performance. Perhaps it is just that if you know the captain is out to score 300 you get the right to your own hundreds and five-fors, but in the crucial moments of a game a more immediate attitude needs to be on display.

  • Front-Foot-Sponge on November 19, 2013, 10:37 GMT

    @James Gibson, @Phil Davies, you make my point exactly - form is now, not last series or the one before that. It's like saying Aresnal are the form team this year because they were last year. It's really odd that people don't get that lol! Previous results are out the window, the Aussies have been racking up runs and wickets galore in international and domestic competition (in recent weeks, not years). They are hot, right now, as I write. Understand now?

  • vvbr on November 19, 2013, 10:14 GMT

    I think when the team starts to do badly and starts to lose wants a person to be blamed. He is the one Mickey Arthur. For all you know, he can't be responsible for the debacles and failures. The reason is very simple. Lack of quality players and lack of will to win. Clarke has been this uninspiring captain that he is, I don't see any leader in him, the way Border, Steve Waugh, Ricky Ponting were! Australian team is all about aggression and backing it up with world class efforts. Neither is being displayed under Clarke. Coach is not responsible alas he is not playing in the ground and the players are! You have 11 players, even if 5 fail there are 6 players to back up the team! Its not like individual sports where coach can take the blame!

  • on November 19, 2013, 10:14 GMT

    Everyone knows that the suspensions would not have occurred without Clarke's permission

  • on November 19, 2013, 10:09 GMT

    @Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug - Australia are the form side? They have lost 7 of the last 9 test matches?!

  • RajitRajaram on November 19, 2013, 10:06 GMT

    I guess Mickey Arthur started the ball rolling with his revelations regarding Watson/Clarke issue etc, which really, as former coach, he should have kept to himself. Now its fair dinkum for the players to say their bit too. Its certainly not ideal but there you go

  • IntegralCoach on November 19, 2013, 9:55 GMT

    Brad, Brad, Brad........I'm sure at some point Mickey will get to tell his side of the story and I'm sure it will be revealing.....not a peep out of you at the time though....very courageous !

  • on November 19, 2013, 9:54 GMT

    Smoo78 or whatever your handle is - Australia are the form team? What a bizarre comment. Losing 4-0 in India and 3-0 in England constitutes form does it? Or are you trying to kid yourself that a decent ODI showing by a largely different mob = form? Hilarious.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on November 19, 2013, 9:19 GMT

    @sm007h, it is comments like yours that will make England losing the Ashes all the more sweet for the Aussie fans. It is telling that the neutrals are predicting anAustralian win and many English fans are now looking at their team with a jittery cup of tea in hand. Did anyone read this article? It is about how the team culture is fantastic under Lehmann now. @Deeplongon, couldn't agree more, Australia up 2-0 by Perth with England rattling the changes and these boards empty of the usual suspects dragging up fossils as their reasoning for an Australian beating. Australia are at home and are the form side. Here's a couple of fossils for you, Australian haven't been beaten at the Gabba since 1988 and England have never won in Perth.

  • on November 19, 2013, 9:18 GMT

    Things may be better but will that be enough ? thats the moot point

  • on November 19, 2013, 8:50 GMT

    What Haddin says translates to whining for me - something the ozs are fond of accusing the poms of! He is particularly vague about how and why Arthur was insecure about and spread it in the pavilion. Haddin should in stead accept that the talent levels in teh squad has gone down significantly, the captain on the field has been miserable as a leader & has not been able to make the right moves or inspire the boys. I am holding no brief for Arthur either. He was behaving like a schoolmaster. But that is not the whole reason for the decline of Australia. iirc, Katich was sort of sacked even before Arthur came in. So disunity within the team is a reason that Haddin is not talking about. Luckily for them, England is a bit unsettled with Prior not in the best of health, third seamer a question mark and the potency of Swann in conditions that wont be cooked up for him. Yes Australia may put up a better fight than what they did in the English summer but the result may still be the same.

  • Jaffa79 on November 19, 2013, 8:46 GMT

    Yep Brad...blame the coach, deeplongon blames the English pitches, blame the Indian pitches, blame the DRS, SA got lucky in Aus, Eng only won in 05 because of McGrath's injury, Eng got lucky in '09 etc etc. Anything else boys? What Arthur didn't understand was the Australian blame culture and the complete inability to every look your own deficiencies in the face. To think we are the whinging Poms. Wow. There was I thinking that Aussies were incapable of irony. I was wrong.

  • ak_dragon on November 19, 2013, 8:45 GMT

    Mr.Arthur was a past for us. Let's talk about 1st Test,forget about everything & start concentrating on preparation mate...!

  • rajuramki on November 19, 2013, 8:44 GMT

    This time around , Australia will show a lot more resolve against England and win the series 2 -1 . England appears to be overconfident and complacent for which they are going to pay very dearly .Cook or Bell cannot have as easy a time as they had on their previous trip and will find it difficult to handle the rejunivated Johnson . Personally , I want Australia to win the series and show that they are stronger than what appears on paper .

  • himanshu.team on November 19, 2013, 8:43 GMT

    whatever Arthur did in India, Lehman didn't do any better in England. Rather than still blaming him for all of Australia's troubles, it would be good if they focus on why the bowlers could not get 20 wickets and why the batsmen failed so consistently. If Watto does not recover on time, they would be beaten even more comprehensively. England at the moment have a better batting and pace bowling attack than Australia. We can not even talk of spin as Australia does not even have one good spinner to talk about. So it is advantage England and if Aussies talk of such hollow things as the reason for their failure, they will have much tougher time to explain the result of this oncoming series.

  • xtrafalgarx on November 19, 2013, 8:28 GMT

    @Lwazi Ntloko: Oh please, you have to realise that these players don't just make up things. They are asked questions and they answer them, it's not like he went to the media and started talking about Arthur, tighten your fragile mind.

  • Unomaas on November 19, 2013, 8:19 GMT

    Agree with sm007h. What the hell does a South African know about Austalian cricket culture? Mickey Arthur is most probably a new age sports science coach that crunches stats and numbers to arrive at conclusions or decisions. Cricket australia is not about numbers, stats and logic...its about guts, grit, in your face attitude and connecting with the inner mongrel inside of you...something that the previous generation had alot of.

    But I also see this new thing creeping into CA cricket culture...this thing about passing the buck and people saying "it isn't my fault". Brad Haddin should not be trying to pass the buck. In fact, with his stats, he could do with a little humility.

  • SRRY on November 19, 2013, 8:14 GMT

    Australia is the fountainhead of solid cricketers - they can even afford to leave out players like Mike Hussey, Brad Hodge, Steve Smith, the Marsh brothers for just a small example. They can retire players like Symonds and Matty Hayden - oh my god !! They can never be kept down for long. It is only in a country like India that players can lose their form but still command a place in the team and go on to play for 24 years.

  • on November 19, 2013, 8:11 GMT

    @Clem Human - with no Arthur to use as an excuse this time.

    I hate any of these 2 winning, so a 0 - 0 draw would suit me fine.

  • Night.angel on November 19, 2013, 8:07 GMT

    Still blaming arthur? lol. As Lwazi Ntloko pointed it out, we all know why all the fuss now. Still could do better for a team in decline. lol

  • on November 19, 2013, 8:07 GMT

    To be quite honest, the recent Australian Test side is no way near what they were during the times when Steve Waugh or Ricky Ponting were captains. The present Australian side is not at all aggressive as they were before. I am sure, they will have hard times even on their home ground in the upcoming Ashes series.

  • deeplongon on November 19, 2013, 8:05 GMT

    Prediction: England two nil DOWN after Perth. And after two tests Swann has no wickets. No dust bowls here guys. God has been watering the Gabba for some weeks now. The win the toss, bat and dig up the wicket plan won't work here.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on November 19, 2013, 8:03 GMT

    @ ssshNevo: Spot on. Haddin shouldn't be continuing the infighting that is endemic within the current Australian camp. If and when they lose again, this situation will only snowball.

  • ssshNevo on November 19, 2013, 7:52 GMT

    CA have no idea. Their no.3 has 2 centuries to his name. The incumbent debutant -Bailey has averaged 18 for the past year in FC cricket. Rogers is 2,3 matches away of failures from being dropped for good. M.johnson is their preferred 3rd seamer. Pakistan are ranked higher than them in test cricket. Ponting and Hussey releasing books telling of CA's failings before the series. What a shambles Crick Aus are !

  • on November 19, 2013, 7:45 GMT

    Why are they still talking about Mickey Arthur again? Unless of course, their insecure about winning the upcoming ashes! LOL

  • sm007h on November 19, 2013, 7:36 GMT

    Is it a sad indictment on Cricket Australia that they hired Arthur in the first place when it was clear as day Arthur did not understand the Australian cricket culture?

  • on November 19, 2013, 7:20 GMT

    lets see Aussies what the "mood" will be after England win again

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  • on November 19, 2013, 7:20 GMT

    lets see Aussies what the "mood" will be after England win again

  • sm007h on November 19, 2013, 7:36 GMT

    Is it a sad indictment on Cricket Australia that they hired Arthur in the first place when it was clear as day Arthur did not understand the Australian cricket culture?

  • on November 19, 2013, 7:45 GMT

    Why are they still talking about Mickey Arthur again? Unless of course, their insecure about winning the upcoming ashes! LOL

  • ssshNevo on November 19, 2013, 7:52 GMT

    CA have no idea. Their no.3 has 2 centuries to his name. The incumbent debutant -Bailey has averaged 18 for the past year in FC cricket. Rogers is 2,3 matches away of failures from being dropped for good. M.johnson is their preferred 3rd seamer. Pakistan are ranked higher than them in test cricket. Ponting and Hussey releasing books telling of CA's failings before the series. What a shambles Crick Aus are !

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on November 19, 2013, 8:03 GMT

    @ ssshNevo: Spot on. Haddin shouldn't be continuing the infighting that is endemic within the current Australian camp. If and when they lose again, this situation will only snowball.

  • deeplongon on November 19, 2013, 8:05 GMT

    Prediction: England two nil DOWN after Perth. And after two tests Swann has no wickets. No dust bowls here guys. God has been watering the Gabba for some weeks now. The win the toss, bat and dig up the wicket plan won't work here.

  • on November 19, 2013, 8:07 GMT

    To be quite honest, the recent Australian Test side is no way near what they were during the times when Steve Waugh or Ricky Ponting were captains. The present Australian side is not at all aggressive as they were before. I am sure, they will have hard times even on their home ground in the upcoming Ashes series.

  • Night.angel on November 19, 2013, 8:07 GMT

    Still blaming arthur? lol. As Lwazi Ntloko pointed it out, we all know why all the fuss now. Still could do better for a team in decline. lol

  • on November 19, 2013, 8:11 GMT

    @Clem Human - with no Arthur to use as an excuse this time.

    I hate any of these 2 winning, so a 0 - 0 draw would suit me fine.

  • SRRY on November 19, 2013, 8:14 GMT

    Australia is the fountainhead of solid cricketers - they can even afford to leave out players like Mike Hussey, Brad Hodge, Steve Smith, the Marsh brothers for just a small example. They can retire players like Symonds and Matty Hayden - oh my god !! They can never be kept down for long. It is only in a country like India that players can lose their form but still command a place in the team and go on to play for 24 years.