The Ashes 2013-14 December 23, 2013

Borthwick, Tredwell added to England Test squad

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Durham legspinner Scott Borthwick and James Tredwell, the Kent offspinner, have been added to the England Test squad for the remainder of the Ashes. The spinners were named in the squad following Graeme Swann's retirement from international cricket.

Borthwick is expected to arrive in Melbourne on Monday and will be available for selection for the Boxing Day Test at the MCG. Tredwell will join the team during the fourth Ashes Test.

During a press conference announcing his retirement, Swann had picked Borthwick as a future Test cricketer saying that the legspinner "had a bit of x-factor" and could contribute with the bat.

Borthwick had significant performances during Durham's County Championship Division One victory earlier this year, scoring 1022 runs in 16 games - the leading run-getter for Durham - and taking 28 wickets at an average of 38. In 59 first-class matches since his debut for Durham in 2009, Borthwick has scored 2322 runs at an average of 30.96 and has taken 110 wickets at 31.29.

The legspinner made his ODI debut for England in 2011 against Ireland and played one more game against India. He has also played one Twenty20 international for England in 2011.

Although Tredwell has played just one Test - against Bangladesh in 2010, where he finished with match figures of 6 for 181 - the Kent offspinner has been seen as an understudy to Swann. He was a part of the England Test squads on the tours to Sri Lanka in March 2012 and India in December 2012.

Tredwell played 15 of England's 22 ODIs in 2013, taking 25 wickets at an average of 22.36, including 11 wickets in the ODIs against India in January 2013. His overall ODI record stands at 36 wickets from 24 ODIs.

The offspinner made his T20 debut for England against India last year and has since played seven games, including one - against New Zealand in June 2013 - as captain of the England side.

In 140 first-class games, Tredwell has taken 352 wickets at an average of 35.75 and scored 3837 runs.

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  • on December 28, 2013, 7:49 GMT

    I think Scott Borthwick is very talented but living in Australia I have only watched him on TV he seems to be a good batsman had s geat season in the county championship this season with over 1000 runs and he looks like a good leg spinner who needs to work on his control

  • Chaffers on December 24, 2013, 10:29 GMT

    Borthwick doesn't play on a particularly helpful pitch in Durham, though when he does he can be lethal. Also this was his first season batting up the order and he responded with 4 centuries and over a thousand runs.

    Australian pitches don't suit Monty's style and he is a problem in the field. Borthwick gives you runs,a safe pair of hands and a good bowling option, not to mention a glimpse of the future.

    If England don't play him now then when? We've been short of runs and dropping catches, particularly when Monty played. I'd advocate two spinners with Stokes in the side but Borthwick would be my first pick of the two.

  • zenboomerang on December 24, 2013, 4:36 GMT

    @maximum6 - "I do hope this will be the only instance of back to back Ashes series ever". You do seem to have a very short memory or must be new to cricket...

    From 1879 to 1888 we played each other every year either home or away, then by 1902 we played both home & away in the same year & number of times since then. It wasn't until the 1990's that we started getting a 2 year gap in playing each other.

    As for Oz being cannon fodder - lol - well you only had 1 convincing win out of 5 in Eng while we've had 3 in a row... Hmmm - seeing as everyone was saying this is the worse Oz team in history 6 mths ago while it was Eng greatest team of all time, I'd say that I'm very comfortable supporting the weakest Oz team of all time... lol...

  • Jeeves_ on December 24, 2013, 4:05 GMT

    England's batsmen, fielders and bowlers have been their Achilles heal. They have relied too much on James Anderson, which was naive considering his form in the previous series. It dropped off significantly. Broad is a champion and at his peak. Anderson is on the wane. They needed support players to come in and rest Anderson in Perth. I don't know what happened to Steve Finn, as he was a fantastic bowler from what I saw of him, he had a McGrath type quality, tall and straight.

    Now, when they lost Trott and Swann, they should have replaced with a spinner and a batsmen. Selecting two average spinners, Borthwick & Tredwell is a mistake...and somewhat bizarre considering they already have Panesar in the squad. You would think they would have jumped at the opportunity to send Graham Onions.

  • deeplongon on December 23, 2013, 23:27 GMT

    No spinners England??? Watch the wickets in England green up now. The last ashes series in England was an appalling use of dead wickets based on Swann's superiority over left hand Aussie batsmen. What strategy is left to Flower now? You have 2 years - better get the garden hose out.

  • RandyOZ on December 23, 2013, 23:13 GMT

    You know your options are thin if these are your replacements. Not looking good at all for the United XI.

  • Patchmaster on December 23, 2013, 21:21 GMT

    Incredible that so few spinners are coming through the system. Terrible England management. All that money and resources and here we are.....clutching at straws as to who will replace Swann. Pathetic.

  • on December 23, 2013, 20:51 GMT

    Adil Rashid has had a rough deal from England. It's quite a task to be a leg sopinner at Headingly as it is at Durham but a qualiity leg spinner used properly is a great advantage. Australia use the awful Smith part time and South Africa the only marginally better Tahir as a specialist as they know that leg spin can be very effective at the right time. However, Rashid isn't there and we really need to see if Borthwick has what it takes. Pressure really separates the ordinary from the special and there is only one way to find that out. You cannot teach bottle but you soon know if it isn't there (Kerrigan) whereas Botham thrived from day one in the test match arena.

  • YorkshirePudding on December 23, 2013, 16:19 GMT

    @jevans90, I'm not saying he isnt an option or a long term prospect, just that in context his figures arnt as good as they are made out to be.

    I think he was overawed by the big occasion at the oval. There are others Briggs, Rafiq, Brothwick, and Rashid, the last two could be classed as genuine allrounders as they can certainly handle a bat.

    So that effectively gives us a stock of Kerrigan, Briggs, Borthwick, Rafiq as spin options,

  • YorkshirePudding on December 23, 2013, 16:10 GMT

    @cricketcricket1987, Rashid is only 25/6, he had a bad patch at yorkshire a year or two ago where his future was in doubt. Since then hes got his batting back on track, but could really benefit from working with someone like Mushtaq Ahmed.

  • on December 28, 2013, 7:49 GMT

    I think Scott Borthwick is very talented but living in Australia I have only watched him on TV he seems to be a good batsman had s geat season in the county championship this season with over 1000 runs and he looks like a good leg spinner who needs to work on his control

  • Chaffers on December 24, 2013, 10:29 GMT

    Borthwick doesn't play on a particularly helpful pitch in Durham, though when he does he can be lethal. Also this was his first season batting up the order and he responded with 4 centuries and over a thousand runs.

    Australian pitches don't suit Monty's style and he is a problem in the field. Borthwick gives you runs,a safe pair of hands and a good bowling option, not to mention a glimpse of the future.

    If England don't play him now then when? We've been short of runs and dropping catches, particularly when Monty played. I'd advocate two spinners with Stokes in the side but Borthwick would be my first pick of the two.

  • zenboomerang on December 24, 2013, 4:36 GMT

    @maximum6 - "I do hope this will be the only instance of back to back Ashes series ever". You do seem to have a very short memory or must be new to cricket...

    From 1879 to 1888 we played each other every year either home or away, then by 1902 we played both home & away in the same year & number of times since then. It wasn't until the 1990's that we started getting a 2 year gap in playing each other.

    As for Oz being cannon fodder - lol - well you only had 1 convincing win out of 5 in Eng while we've had 3 in a row... Hmmm - seeing as everyone was saying this is the worse Oz team in history 6 mths ago while it was Eng greatest team of all time, I'd say that I'm very comfortable supporting the weakest Oz team of all time... lol...

  • Jeeves_ on December 24, 2013, 4:05 GMT

    England's batsmen, fielders and bowlers have been their Achilles heal. They have relied too much on James Anderson, which was naive considering his form in the previous series. It dropped off significantly. Broad is a champion and at his peak. Anderson is on the wane. They needed support players to come in and rest Anderson in Perth. I don't know what happened to Steve Finn, as he was a fantastic bowler from what I saw of him, he had a McGrath type quality, tall and straight.

    Now, when they lost Trott and Swann, they should have replaced with a spinner and a batsmen. Selecting two average spinners, Borthwick & Tredwell is a mistake...and somewhat bizarre considering they already have Panesar in the squad. You would think they would have jumped at the opportunity to send Graham Onions.

  • deeplongon on December 23, 2013, 23:27 GMT

    No spinners England??? Watch the wickets in England green up now. The last ashes series in England was an appalling use of dead wickets based on Swann's superiority over left hand Aussie batsmen. What strategy is left to Flower now? You have 2 years - better get the garden hose out.

  • RandyOZ on December 23, 2013, 23:13 GMT

    You know your options are thin if these are your replacements. Not looking good at all for the United XI.

  • Patchmaster on December 23, 2013, 21:21 GMT

    Incredible that so few spinners are coming through the system. Terrible England management. All that money and resources and here we are.....clutching at straws as to who will replace Swann. Pathetic.

  • on December 23, 2013, 20:51 GMT

    Adil Rashid has had a rough deal from England. It's quite a task to be a leg sopinner at Headingly as it is at Durham but a qualiity leg spinner used properly is a great advantage. Australia use the awful Smith part time and South Africa the only marginally better Tahir as a specialist as they know that leg spin can be very effective at the right time. However, Rashid isn't there and we really need to see if Borthwick has what it takes. Pressure really separates the ordinary from the special and there is only one way to find that out. You cannot teach bottle but you soon know if it isn't there (Kerrigan) whereas Botham thrived from day one in the test match arena.

  • YorkshirePudding on December 23, 2013, 16:19 GMT

    @jevans90, I'm not saying he isnt an option or a long term prospect, just that in context his figures arnt as good as they are made out to be.

    I think he was overawed by the big occasion at the oval. There are others Briggs, Rafiq, Brothwick, and Rashid, the last two could be classed as genuine allrounders as they can certainly handle a bat.

    So that effectively gives us a stock of Kerrigan, Briggs, Borthwick, Rafiq as spin options,

  • YorkshirePudding on December 23, 2013, 16:10 GMT

    @cricketcricket1987, Rashid is only 25/6, he had a bad patch at yorkshire a year or two ago where his future was in doubt. Since then hes got his batting back on track, but could really benefit from working with someone like Mushtaq Ahmed.

  • JG2704 on December 23, 2013, 14:19 GMT

    Interesting takes in the interviews. I'd agree on one thing - that Borthwick cannot be the sole spinner and should only be used as a second spinning option (and IMO only if the selectors are undecided re whether or not to go for a 2nd spinner and not as a specialist spinner). It seems (maybe like Smith of Aus) that Borthwick started as a spinner and became a batsman/part time spinner. The big problem is that there seems to be no obvious long term replacement for Swann which is a worry. I would however say the pressure may actually be off whoever comes in as there is so little expectancy. The Ashes are gone and while no one wants 5-0 the main objective was retaining the Ashes.

  • George_Leeds on December 23, 2013, 14:15 GMT

    Tredwell's record in the longer format is hardly impressive (average of 35, economy of nearly 4), doubt he would make a decent test bowler. Borthwick has a lot of potential, but seems to be a batsman that occasionally bowls- not a front line spinner! Fans seem obsessed with these bit-players who can bowl a little and bat a little, but are not quality at either. Surely the front-line spinner should be selected on their spin bowling ability and not their ability to play the odd cameo of 30 runs here or there. Kerrigan has the most promise of the lot (not to mention actually able to spin it-unlike Briggs or Tredwell). He should never have played in the fifth test this summer. Many fans dismissing him, but can hardly judge his ability on 8 overs of his debut against a Watson playing under no pressure, we saw Swann get dispatched similarly last week. The comments about K's wickets coming on a OT spinners paradise are simply not true, he has taken wickets at most grounds for last 3 years.

  • 2.14istherunrate on December 23, 2013, 14:10 GMT

    I think in all realism Monty will be the guy England look to. It is the natural progression and Monty's frame of mind will be the most suitable. The emergence of Stokes likely makes it possible to play 5 bowlers as they did under Fletcher.It's a shift in emphasis,but we hve to look at the positives as well as rue the negatives. Monty in the side may also mean returns to the top level for Kwajha and Hughes. We have two Tests to try and salvage and the worst thing we could do would be to succumb meakly to a side which only recently were cannon fodder themselves. I do hope this will be the only instance of back to back Ashes series ever. They are a total drag!!!

  • blink182alex on December 23, 2013, 13:49 GMT

    I think this just shows the muddled thinking by the England selectors. Panesar was brought along as the 2nd spinner, and with Swann's surprise retirement they have called up 2 spinners. Why 2? they now have 3 spinners available, they either don't trust Panesar or are thinking of playing 2 spinners at the SCG.

    Borthwick & Tredwell are only average. Swann still best Eng spinner by a mile, if he averages 80 in this series only imagine what the others will do!

    Apparently our spin depth is crap, but i would ask whether or not SOK would get into the Eng side now that Swann has gone?

  • on December 23, 2013, 13:32 GMT

    why call tredwell when you hav monty panesar in the squad. make monty play a test and see how he performs.

  • ArthursAshes on December 23, 2013, 13:30 GMT

    Pity that Adil Rashid has not really come on as a leg spinner, 29 wickets at 47 last year, still waiting for the breakthrough and more of a batsman now it would seem.

    Don't forget Moeen Ali, 28 wickets at 33 last year and according to reports improving as an off spin bowler. Oh, and he scored nearly 1400 runs at 62, could be a more than useful 6,7,8 in this England side.

    Not sure if Borthwick, at least as a bowler, is any better a prospect than these two. All three can bat, but none a sure thing as a front line spinner.

  • cricketcricket1987 on December 23, 2013, 13:29 GMT

    The decline of Adil Rashid is a real shame. As an England fan, I'm quite concerned now that England will struggle to be up there as one of the best teams in world cricket now Swann has gone. Perhaps we will have to focus on producing world class seamers much like SA and Aus have had to do, to compensate for the lack of a high class spinner coming through. Spinners don't really peak until 27, 28 years of age and I'd be interested to know how many spinners in that age bracket are in county cricket and performing well.

  • on December 23, 2013, 13:28 GMT

    Borthwick is a very long-term prospect whose bowling needs to improve greatly before he could/should be considered for the frontline spinners role, Tredwell is a decent enough short-term fix for the off spinners role.

  • Sigismund on December 23, 2013, 12:55 GMT

    Tredwell had done a fine job for England in recent times - until he was finally exposed as the journeyman he is by the Australians in the summer. A rare favour from them; they took the lid off when it didn't really matter. It would be downright stupid for England to pick him now. Hats off to him, he made a good run of his modest ability while the spell lasted; but let's not give the Aussies yet another free laugh.

  • on December 23, 2013, 12:50 GMT

    I think its good they involve scott borthwick. he is a genuine allrounder, a top order batsman and a very capable leggie! with only the age of 23 he has still a long career ahead of him and I back him to be a part of a future England test side! People saying he should not even be considered are obviously the ones not following the county cricket.. scoring over a thousand runs at a healthy average batting at nr 3 in division 1 is very promising as he is only 23 years old and it was the first year he batted up the order.. also his bowling is promising, though he didnt bowl as much last year, which is not a reason not to play him as he is very capable and the Durham seam attack is by far the most succesful of the English first class competitions!

  • jevans90 on December 23, 2013, 12:47 GMT

    @Yorkshire Pudding - he still took the wickets - that's all you can ask. He's a young cricketer, still learning, and has to prove he can put in performances like that year in year out, and on less helpful wickets. But I still reckon he's our best longterm prospect.

  • izzidole on December 23, 2013, 12:28 GMT

    The England cricket team is in disarray at the moment after losing the ashes and the sudden retirement of Graeme Swann before the Boxing Day test in Melbourne. It would be very difficuilt for England to win from here and a series whitewash is inevitable. Their bowling attack looks very weak indeed and Broads injury is also a major concern. The addition of a spinner like Monty Panesar, Tredwell or Borthwick would make no difference. England's domination in the ashes with three consecutive ashes victories seems to be over and it would be very hard to win back the urn from the aussies for another 15 years or so like the last time.

  • on December 23, 2013, 11:50 GMT

    Scott Borthwick should not be even considered by England. Everyone jumping on the bandwagon without seeing him play. He has a poor action and was moved up to no three at durham because they couldnt justify him playing as a spinner alone. Frequently he did not bowl at all last year. Coincidently he has a similiar bowling action as Tremlett, another player picked whilst completely out of form. The same can be said with bairstow and ballance. England must start to look at those performing such as onions, taylor, rashid rather than picking on potential (to have a leg spinner). Australia have done this with rogers, warner, smith and bailey and reaped the rewards.

  • YorkshirePudding on December 23, 2013, 11:47 GMT

    @jevans90, dont be mislead by Kerigans stats in the summer, he was often playing on the newly relaid OT pitch which was very close to being reported and lancs facing a points deduction on 2 occasions.

    borthwick has the added advantage of scoring 1000 FC runs last season.

  • JG2704 on December 23, 2013, 11:33 GMT

    As I've said on numerous occasions , I feel that Swann would always be the hardest of our senior players to replace. I don't see any quick fix but I strongly disagree with the inclusion of Tredwell and wonder if England are already writing off Kerrigan after a few overs in one test? Tredwell took 17 wickets at 56 compared to Kerrigan who took 57 at 21. Also Australia started taking a liking to JT in the shorter formats. Borthwick - to me , seems to be becoming more of a batsman than a bowler. His batting average at 39 is slightly better than his bowling average and he was the best averaging batsman for Durham last season which to me suggests that 39 (as a batsman) is more impressive than it first appears and 38 as a bowler is less impressive

  • jevans90 on December 23, 2013, 11:07 GMT

    My thoughts: they're both 'convenient' players to add - Borthwick in Australia anyway, Tredwell needed to come out for the ODIs anyway, so may as well include both of them in the squad. If Kerrigan had been in the country, he might well have been included ahead of one of them - he was by far and away the best (FC) English spinner in county cricket last summer, just wasn't ready for tests yet. Plan A should be Monty for a couple of years until Kerrigan forces him out. Tredwell's a solid cricketer, and next in line after Monty, but more of a OD specialist, Borthwick an exciting all-round talent (his fielding is spectacular at times), but isn't a frontline spinner at international level. He could be considered as a 2nd spinner/all-rounder at Sydney though, but I expect England are just getting him in the squad to have a quick look for the medium term future. And to use as a fielding sub :P Whoever mentioned Briggs, he's only ever been considered as a limited overs specialist - mainly T20.

  • nlpdave on December 23, 2013, 10:39 GMT

    A test side desperately needs a leg spinner. All tail enders nowadays can whack the medium pace stuff on a flat deck but do not have the skill to read the ball from the hand whereas on these pitches as an off spinner one needs to be exceptional and Tredwell simply isn't. England have a habit of taking talented players, not playing them then discarding them forever, Adil Rashid a case in point. If Borthwick has what it takes it will reveal itself under pressure as long as Cook uses him correctly and not as an end stopper on the first day. Principally spinners need to be able to get the ball off the straight, Swann's failure to do that left him open to assault, expect the same from Tredwell.With four seamers and Root's part time but very good off spin Borthwick could make a difference. Panesar will likely be more economical but wth the ball only ever going one way he won't really trouble anyone.

  • yorkshire-86 on December 23, 2013, 10:20 GMT

    Big mistake. England should have used this oppertunity to correct thier mistake in selection - and bring Onions into the team.

  • real_gone_gadd on December 23, 2013, 10:16 GMT

    I hope Tredwell gets a chance, maybe in Sydney, where you'd think he'd have a fair chance as an experienced pro in a scenario where we could play 2 spinners - out of a choice of the inexperienced Borthwick, the one-dimensional / temperamental Monty and Tredders, I'd have to pick him as at least one of two.

    If not, then he may get a game or two next summer. If nothing else, we shouldn't be creating one cap wonders any more - also a good thing that Carberry got another chance. Borhtwick seems an exciting prospect, looking forward to seeing him in action, if a little worried after the Kerrigan fiasco!

    What happened to Danny Briggs?

  • ThirteenthMan on December 23, 2013, 9:59 GMT

    Monty must be overjoyed to know the guy ahead of him has been replaced by 2 new players.

    (or is Borthwick temporary cover until Tredwell gets there?). Why did they not replace Trott?

  • YorkshirePudding on December 23, 2013, 9:57 GMT

    @Meety, It seems theres a bit of a logistical issue getting Tredwell to Aus and into the right timezone could be an issue.

    Borthwick being in Aus is a better prospect, he can also bat reasonably well, as shown by Durham playing him at 3 for most of the season. Personally I would have looke to Briggs, though they may save him for the summer.

  • SDHM on December 23, 2013, 9:52 GMT

    Borthwick has been in Sydney playing grade cricket (and being coached by Stuart MacGill, interestingly) so, although he's in the Lions squad to tour Sri Lanka, I'd imagine his call-up is more down to the fact that he's already in the country and the selectors want to have a closer look at him when it's convenient. A talented leggie, but his lack of overs due to his home pitch rendering spinners irrelevant is harming his development. Tredwell is a sensible choice - not in Swann's class, but is the closest to a like-for-like replacement we have.

  • RednWhiteArmy on December 23, 2013, 9:46 GMT

    Even though were 3-0 down (no silicone tape excuses from RWA), i cant wait for this test. Hope they play the young kid from sunderland.

  • Mitty2 on December 23, 2013, 9:45 GMT

    Haha all gone seriously downhill for England. Remember all the pommy criticisms we got last Ashes and now (with Bailey/MJ) for selecting players from limited overs performances? Now England have selected Tredwell who had an abysmal county season and a poor FC record. Borthwick I can't really comment on because I don't know him but sure he has potential but a FC average of 31 doesn't inspire much hope. It shows just how bad the England management is when the young spinner (who at that stage was second choice) they debuted in the last Ashes to try and develop him in a dead rubber has now gone behind three spinners based on one nerve-induced performance. Have to feel for Kerrigan, Watson can hammer any spinner on a flat pitch, so for England to show no faith in him whatsoever can only be further damaging to his confidence.

    Oh and a point I forget to make, I thought it was Australia who had a seriously "bare cupboard" in the spin department? Lol!

  • on December 23, 2013, 9:27 GMT

    Borthwick's figures do not reflect that his home team wickets are damp seamers so rarely gets a chance to bowl. That is why he batted 3 last season so h had something to do. This opinion is backed by ex team mate Harmison. Superior leggy to Steve Smith.

  • Stevros3 on December 23, 2013, 9:20 GMT

    @Ozcricketwriter, Borthwick is more likely for the MCG because he's already in Australia playing grade cricket for his development, Treadwell is in England and has to fly out, and with family commitments over the holidays jet lag etc England have decided not to try and rush him out before the test match. Treadwell is far superior to Borthwick at the moment on bowling stakes but there's no chance of him being ready for the MCG, don't be surprised if Treadwell plays at Sydney unless Monty gets a hatful.

  • skilebow on December 23, 2013, 9:20 GMT

    @Ozcricketwriter - No I think its just logistics. Borthwick is with the performance squad isn't he, so already in Australia whereas Tredwell has to come from England

  • Meety on December 23, 2013, 8:30 GMT

    The series is lost so England have a gamble. I think actually playing Borthwick as opposed to being a tour member gaining experience is a big risk. On Oz pitches, Oz can crucify any type of spinner - just ask Tahir of Sth Africa what Oz batters can do to a spinner. That said Oz is a better place for a leggie than an offie. England could cruel the blokes future if they play him - but get him use to the structure is shrewd & safe. I think playing Tredwell is a much better bet. On the surface of things - he isn't Swannys boot lace, but he has a sound record & is probably a lot better bowler than he was previously. It would also be good for him to experience Oz grounds as chances are - he will be in Oz for the W/Cup in 2015 (different format I know). All that being said - I think Monty has to be given first crack. @ InsideHedge on (December 23, 2013, 7:03 GMT)- but if Tredwell could bottle up the runs at one end, that could be enuff!

  • doughyinperth on December 23, 2013, 8:17 GMT

    Whoever plays let's hope he goes better than Kerrigan did at at The Oval!!

  • on December 23, 2013, 8:17 GMT

    Borthwick is an all rounder like Swann.He is a right choice to fill in the shoes of Swann.

  • jimbond on December 23, 2013, 8:16 GMT

    With people like Borthwick and Stokes in charge of the bowling, England are sure to bat very deep, but definitely struggle to take 20 wickets against any side.

  • ZCFOutkast on December 23, 2013, 8:10 GMT

    ... so you can undermine Monty? If it's backup then why not just one of them?

  • 200ondebut on December 23, 2013, 7:54 GMT

    Panasar is next on the list. England always pick specialisms first. The fact that Borthwick can bat will be irrelevant in selection.

    Unless Monty cant let go of it he'll play.

  • BradmanBestEver on December 23, 2013, 7:39 GMT

    Borthwick looks a "nice type" as Jack Dyer used to say - looks like English selectors needed the big jolt of 3-zip to get them selecting the right cricketers

  • Harlequin. on December 23, 2013, 7:38 GMT

    @C.Gull - who does it reflect most poorly on? I seem to be one of the few who doesn't mind that Swann quit midway through a disastrous tour with nothing to play for, so IMO it doesn't reflect poorly on him. Monty is most likely to play the next test, but it does no harm adding cover. England selectors, whilst they are a laughing stock, were probably right in their spinner selection for this tour (even with these selections too). The England team management, yes! Not just for not seeing it coming, but also for creating a state where it was more likely to happen. From his early career, it is easy to see that Swann wasn't a stickler for the rules, but the England set up has been getting ever more draconian with each passing tour. Firstly to the point where it was boring fans, then to the point that it was affecting results, now to the point that it is ending careers. Bring back the joy of playing!!

  • on December 23, 2013, 7:32 GMT

    Forcing Tradwell to retire soon?

  • xtrafalgarx on December 23, 2013, 7:27 GMT

    @Ozcricketwriter: You are jumping the gun. Monty is now no.1, Tredwell 2 and this guy is there for his development, the poms would be foolish to throw him in now though i think he will turn out to be quite a good cricketer.

  • on December 23, 2013, 7:12 GMT

    I'd say it's fair to stick Borthwick in the squad, he's a genuine prospect. Give him a chance to impress in training, and if he does so, give him a go! If not, he'll benefit from the experience. Tredwell, I'd suggest, is more of a reserve in case Panesar gets injured.

  • InsideHedge on December 23, 2013, 7:03 GMT

    Borthwick as a leggie/spinner is not going to worry any international batsman worth his salt. Last year was a great season with the bat @Durham but nothing exceptional with the ball. Tredwell has done very well in ODIs, better than anyone would have expected when he made his debut. However, Test cricket will be a different kettle of fish for him, he has to get the batter out rather than wait for a batsman to make a false stroke. Recall the difficulty Brad Hogg suffered in transitioning his one day success to Test cricket.

  • landl47 on December 23, 2013, 7:03 GMT

    The only problem is that Borthwick, like Steve Smith for Aus, has focused on his batting over the last couple of seasons at the expense of his bowling. If he came into the side and batted at 8 or 9 he would certainly strengthen the batting (he bats #3 for Durham), but I don't know that he'd worry the Australian batsmen very much.

    However, I don't think Tredwell would bother them either, Monty didn't do anything much in the second test and at least Borthwick can bat and field. The alternative is to go with an all-pace attack- with Stokes at #6, England could play 5 pacemen. It wouldn't be very interesting and the over rate would be beyond slow, but it might be more effective than the spinners England must now rely on to replace Swann.

  • dunger.bob on December 23, 2013, 7:03 GMT

    So England have a leftie (Panesar) and a leggie available for Melbourne. It's probably not coincidence that they both move the ball away from the right handers, just like Swann spun it away from our formerly left handed heavy batting list.

    They wouldn't play 2 spinners at the G would they? Sydney, probably, but surely not in Melbourne. .. I'm going to assume they'll go with one tweaker only in Melb. and my prediction is they'll go with the leggie because of his obviously superior batting and fielding. Besides, there's nothing to lose now and Monty isn't exactly the future so if I were them, I'd give the young bloke a go. .. we'll see I guess.

  • C.Gull on December 23, 2013, 6:48 GMT

    Sooo, three full-time spinners in the England squad now. Reveals that this has happened well before England management formulated a clue about their spinning plan B. Who does this reflect most poorly on? Swann for dropping his bosses in it with his sudden retirement? Monty for not inspiring his bosses' confidence? England selectors, who were already a laughing stock for their fast bowling squad selections? England team management, who failed to see any of this coming and prepare for it? Ah, now we're getting warm...

  • Ozcricketwriter on December 23, 2013, 6:40 GMT

    So Borthwick is more likely to play at the MCG than Tredwell? That is saying something. I would have thought that Tredwell was ahead of Borthwick in the spin stocks. This is saying it is the other way around.

  • on December 23, 2013, 6:34 GMT

    Great news for Borthwick & Durham, great opportunity for him & would strengthen the batting if England select him, by no means a front line spinner yet but with root bowling off spin, can provide more options for Cook. A cracking fielder too.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on December 23, 2013, 6:25 GMT

    I don't especially like stats as a measure of ability but Borthwick's look pretty good having not seen him play. Averages about 30 with both bat and ball and is a leggie. Wouldn't mind seeing him play actually.

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  • Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on December 23, 2013, 6:25 GMT

    I don't especially like stats as a measure of ability but Borthwick's look pretty good having not seen him play. Averages about 30 with both bat and ball and is a leggie. Wouldn't mind seeing him play actually.

  • on December 23, 2013, 6:34 GMT

    Great news for Borthwick & Durham, great opportunity for him & would strengthen the batting if England select him, by no means a front line spinner yet but with root bowling off spin, can provide more options for Cook. A cracking fielder too.

  • Ozcricketwriter on December 23, 2013, 6:40 GMT

    So Borthwick is more likely to play at the MCG than Tredwell? That is saying something. I would have thought that Tredwell was ahead of Borthwick in the spin stocks. This is saying it is the other way around.

  • C.Gull on December 23, 2013, 6:48 GMT

    Sooo, three full-time spinners in the England squad now. Reveals that this has happened well before England management formulated a clue about their spinning plan B. Who does this reflect most poorly on? Swann for dropping his bosses in it with his sudden retirement? Monty for not inspiring his bosses' confidence? England selectors, who were already a laughing stock for their fast bowling squad selections? England team management, who failed to see any of this coming and prepare for it? Ah, now we're getting warm...

  • dunger.bob on December 23, 2013, 7:03 GMT

    So England have a leftie (Panesar) and a leggie available for Melbourne. It's probably not coincidence that they both move the ball away from the right handers, just like Swann spun it away from our formerly left handed heavy batting list.

    They wouldn't play 2 spinners at the G would they? Sydney, probably, but surely not in Melbourne. .. I'm going to assume they'll go with one tweaker only in Melb. and my prediction is they'll go with the leggie because of his obviously superior batting and fielding. Besides, there's nothing to lose now and Monty isn't exactly the future so if I were them, I'd give the young bloke a go. .. we'll see I guess.

  • landl47 on December 23, 2013, 7:03 GMT

    The only problem is that Borthwick, like Steve Smith for Aus, has focused on his batting over the last couple of seasons at the expense of his bowling. If he came into the side and batted at 8 or 9 he would certainly strengthen the batting (he bats #3 for Durham), but I don't know that he'd worry the Australian batsmen very much.

    However, I don't think Tredwell would bother them either, Monty didn't do anything much in the second test and at least Borthwick can bat and field. The alternative is to go with an all-pace attack- with Stokes at #6, England could play 5 pacemen. It wouldn't be very interesting and the over rate would be beyond slow, but it might be more effective than the spinners England must now rely on to replace Swann.

  • InsideHedge on December 23, 2013, 7:03 GMT

    Borthwick as a leggie/spinner is not going to worry any international batsman worth his salt. Last year was a great season with the bat @Durham but nothing exceptional with the ball. Tredwell has done very well in ODIs, better than anyone would have expected when he made his debut. However, Test cricket will be a different kettle of fish for him, he has to get the batter out rather than wait for a batsman to make a false stroke. Recall the difficulty Brad Hogg suffered in transitioning his one day success to Test cricket.

  • on December 23, 2013, 7:12 GMT

    I'd say it's fair to stick Borthwick in the squad, he's a genuine prospect. Give him a chance to impress in training, and if he does so, give him a go! If not, he'll benefit from the experience. Tredwell, I'd suggest, is more of a reserve in case Panesar gets injured.

  • xtrafalgarx on December 23, 2013, 7:27 GMT

    @Ozcricketwriter: You are jumping the gun. Monty is now no.1, Tredwell 2 and this guy is there for his development, the poms would be foolish to throw him in now though i think he will turn out to be quite a good cricketer.

  • on December 23, 2013, 7:32 GMT

    Forcing Tradwell to retire soon?