The Ashes 2013-14 January 7, 2014

Flower denies KP ultimatum reports

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Andy Flower has taken the unusual step of issuing a statement that describes as "totally inaccurate" reports that he has told the ECB he will resign as coach unless Kevin Pietersen is dropped.

In the wake of the 5-0 Ashes whitewash Flower said he was not willing to discuss the futures of individual players and that was followed by a report in the Guardian, also run in various other UK national newspapers, that his relationship with Pietersen had fallen apart.

"Following speculation in the media today I feel it necessary to reiterate much of what I said in my recent press conference," Flower said. "It would be sensible and responsible to review the tour in a calm and logical manner before assessing our options for the future and planning ahead.

"I repeat that neither I nor the wider ECB leadership group have made any decisions as to the future involvement of any individuals in the playing group or in the support staff. The reports that I have issued an ultimatum of some description to the ECB are totally inaccurate."

Earlier, Pietersen had taken to Twitter to make public his desire to play the next Ashes in 2015. "Very disappointed to lose 5-0, and not to score more runs personally. Tough tour against a top class team." Pietersen posted. "I want to thank all the England fans for their terrific support. And I'm determined to help regain the Ashes in 2015."

But that decision ultimately rests with Flower, England's team director, and perhaps the captain, Alastair Cook. Flower's mood has probably not been lightened by a suggestion from Michael Vaughan, a former England captain, that Pietersen should become vice-captain deliberately to break down a culture of "yes men" that has grown up around the England set-up.

Vaughan has since expressed the fear that Pietersen could become the scapegoat for England's Ashes defeat . "I hope England do not take the easy way out of this mess by making Kevin Pietersen the victim for the Ashes whitewash," he wrote.

Flower has wasted no time in indicating to the new managing director of England cricket, Paul Downton, that he wants full authority to rebuild England's Test side as he sees fit, with the final say on selection.

What remains unclear is how much that would impact upon Pietersen if such power was granted. In comments immediately after the series, Flower merely remarked: "There are always some personal agendas in most teams. No team is perfect and our team is no different. Team spirit always gets its closest examination under pressure and we have been put under a tremendous amount of pressure by a good side on their home turf. That is one area we will look at."

But Flower's mistrust of Pietersen is rarely far from the surface and he may see this as an opportunity to build a new young side without what he might regard as rebellious influences.

Mike Selvey, in the Guardian, has no doubt about naming the culprit, real or imaginary: "So adamant is Flower that the presence of Pietersen in the dressing room is detrimental to the future development of the side that he is believed to be prepared to resign his position should Downton, James Whitaker, the new national selector, and Cook - if he retains the captaincy - insist that Pietersen should be a part of that process."

He refers to Flower's relationship with Pietersen since the long-running furore in 2012 as nothing better than "an uneasy truce" and claims: "On this tour, despite his assurances before his 100th Test in Brisbane that he was committed to England to 2015 and beyond, it is thought that Pietersen's influence in the dressing room has been divisive."

Part of the debate around Pietersen's future stems from his fitness; he needed an injection in his knee before the Ashes began having been forced home from the tour of New Zealand in March and then did not play again until shortly before the Ashes in England.

His workload is being carefully managed by the ECB, including being rested from the one-day series against Australia which starts in Melbourne on Sunday. It remains to be seen whether he will play on the short tour of West Indies which starts at the end of February although would be expected to feature at the World Twenty20, despite only playing once for England in that format for almost two years.

The man himself has always insisted he wants to be part of England's attempt to regain the Ashes in 2015. He has also spoken about a target of 10,000 Test runs - he currently stands on 8181 after a disappointing return of 294 runs at 29.40 in Australia, although that still made him England's leading run-scorer.

Pietersen's involvement in IPL, however, will add to the tension, amid speculation that players will have to sign three-year contracts and be available throughout the tournament. Neither undertaking has yet been demanded by the franchises and, if it was made, the reverberations would stretch much further than Kevin Pietersen.

*January 7, 15.30 GMT: This article was updated with new material

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • cricketmad on January 7, 2014, 20:45 GMT

    England hadnt won an ashes series from 1989-2005. They won their first series in 2005 and KP made his debut in that series. They have since won 2 more in England and one in Australia. Is it a coincidence that England's sustained run of Ashes success and ascent to Np 1 is also the period when KP has been at his best. He is undeniably a difficult character to manage. So was Botham but Brearley got the best out of Botham in 1981. So was Flintoff according to Vaughan. It is up to the well paid coaches like Flower to deal with the situation and get the best out of him. The sky sports pundits think that there is too much power currently with the bowlers like Anderson and Broad who set their own fields and tampe rwith it without consulting Cook. This is undermining Cook and make KP vice captain will strengthen Cook significantly. England need to appoint someone like John Wright or Gary Kirsten who have suceeded with teams that are culturally different to their playing days.

  • JG2704 on January 10, 2014, 18:47 GMT

    @ Cpt.Meanster - 1stly I said I wasn't sure if he'd do the IPL this year or not and not that I didn't think he'd do IPL this year. However I'd still say it's in the balance. The guy seems pretty fragile these days and let's not forget that he withdrew from last years IPL and he has no franchise at present either. He openly criticised his workload for England which IMO was not best clever if he wanted to play IPL as it's a ready made reason for Eng withdrawing him from the IPL as it's the man himself who's said about too much cricket. I also wonder if some IPL franchises will be put off by his recent laboured style and the fact that he seems so fragile physically? And ECB have shown that they do have the guts to do what they want in the past with KP. Listen , I'm not saying he shouldn't play IPL - just giving you reasons why he may not

    PS - Be honest with me here - if all the franchises saw of KP was what he'd done in 2013 , would he be that attractive?

  • Cpt.Meanster on January 9, 2014, 22:02 GMT

    @JG2704: Why do you feel KP isn't going to play in this year's IPL ? I don't think the ECB have the guts to tell KP in his face that he ain't playing in the IPL this season. Also, it doesn't make sense for the ECB to deny ANY English player from playing this year's tournament given that the English summer begins with ODI cricket against SL. Surely your team needs KP/Butler in top form against the Lankans. I hope KP plays for the Delhi Daredevils. Speaking of Butler, I think he will be a fine player for any club that picks him up. It is rumoured Butler could be picked up first round along with Corey Anderson of NZ and Quinton De Kock of SA. Obviously, not everyone will love Butler cause we all support different teams lol but yes he's surely a wonderful talent.

  • JG2704 on January 9, 2014, 19:11 GMT

    @ maximum6 on (January 9, 2014, 0:12 GMT) re "kP is arguably in the same class as Sir Viv"

    I'd say a definite no to that. But one thing Viv had throughout his career was an intimidating presence. He'd come out helmetless and chewing gum against some of the most ferocious bowlers. However I'm sure KP used to have an intimidating aura about him but I'm not so sure these days. You take away his intent and his arsenal of unorthodox shots and he becomes half the batsman. I'm wondering if flamboyant shots are being coached out of our game? For me there's room for calculated/well executed unorthodox shots in the test arena too. Funny I've also seen less of the scoop from Buttler recently. You don't want him to overuse it but neither do you want him to put it away completely

  • JG2704 on January 9, 2014, 19:09 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster on (January 8, 2014, 20:35 GMT) I'm not going to say I sense disharmony among the players and obviously if they're seen all together partying and looking pretty jolly we'd all be pretty angry after the way they played. The team remind me of the confidence lacking unit (more so) in UAE. We have the ODIs/T20s to come but no KP involvement. And yes I know many neutrals want to see KP in these games but KP kind of made a rod for his own back by saying the schedule is too demanding - even though he played less cricket than any other England player in the last year. Not sure if he'll be doing the IPL this year but if he does it'll be interesting to see if he gets his unorthodox reverse shots out etc. PS I hope Buttler gets a gig at IPL - If he's on form your fans will love him

  • JG2704 on January 9, 2014, 19:08 GMT

    @R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (January 8, 2014, 14:05 GMT) If you read the post more clearly the person is saying that the reason for singling out Monty and KP (and listing all the others) is because they are not English even though Monty is born and bred in England. Also I don't think folk are singling out those 2 players.

    @Jonathan Jono Lane on (January 8, 2014, 14:39 GMT) You're totally spot on here. I used the word IF when referring to what may have been said , but having said that I think Flower should go whether he is anti KP or his best friend. Our slide since the end of 2011 has been alarming

  • JG2704 on January 9, 2014, 19:08 GMT

    @grantleyp on (January 8, 2014, 13:21 GMT) Rubbish. Most of the below weren't good enough over a long enough period of time - the exception for me (and this isn't Somerset bias) is Caddick. You've basically just picked out a load of name players who weren't good enough to play for England over a period of time and because they were not born in this country put that as the reason why they got dropped or whatever. And what about Hick (who btw I loved as a player) - he spent years underachieving as an England player? I could say what about Brian Rose,Vic Marks,Mark Lathwell,Richard Johnson and Neil Mallender (actually the latter 2 have excellent bowling stats for England)- there must be an anti Somerset bias and I'm sure every county fan can name players who have played a low number of tests for England

  • Zahidsaltin on January 9, 2014, 15:06 GMT

    KP is not only the best batsman in the English team but that X factor too which makes fans around the globe watching English team play.

  • akshay_heble on January 9, 2014, 13:30 GMT

    In my mind England will be shooting themselves on the foot if they drop KP...I feel he is the spine of the England middle order..By dropping him the England batting will be spineless. Remember he was the person to seal the ashes in 2005 courtesy of his century thus ending a 16 year drought. Thanks to him England got their hands on their first global trophy (ICC T20 World cup 2010). moreover along with cook he anchored England's series win in India. Yes there might be diiferences between andy flower and KP, but remember KP has been an integral member in making England number 1. So Flower and KP should come together and resolve their issue and keep in mind the interest of England first. I feel KP has a lot to offer England because I think he is just not a great batsman but also a talent that wont come to often for England

  • on January 9, 2014, 11:00 GMT

    Pietersen has talent, no doubt about it... but trouble follows him EVERYWHERE he goes. I have no doubt that he causes problems in the dressing room.

  • cricketmad on January 7, 2014, 20:45 GMT

    England hadnt won an ashes series from 1989-2005. They won their first series in 2005 and KP made his debut in that series. They have since won 2 more in England and one in Australia. Is it a coincidence that England's sustained run of Ashes success and ascent to Np 1 is also the period when KP has been at his best. He is undeniably a difficult character to manage. So was Botham but Brearley got the best out of Botham in 1981. So was Flintoff according to Vaughan. It is up to the well paid coaches like Flower to deal with the situation and get the best out of him. The sky sports pundits think that there is too much power currently with the bowlers like Anderson and Broad who set their own fields and tampe rwith it without consulting Cook. This is undermining Cook and make KP vice captain will strengthen Cook significantly. England need to appoint someone like John Wright or Gary Kirsten who have suceeded with teams that are culturally different to their playing days.

  • JG2704 on January 10, 2014, 18:47 GMT

    @ Cpt.Meanster - 1stly I said I wasn't sure if he'd do the IPL this year or not and not that I didn't think he'd do IPL this year. However I'd still say it's in the balance. The guy seems pretty fragile these days and let's not forget that he withdrew from last years IPL and he has no franchise at present either. He openly criticised his workload for England which IMO was not best clever if he wanted to play IPL as it's a ready made reason for Eng withdrawing him from the IPL as it's the man himself who's said about too much cricket. I also wonder if some IPL franchises will be put off by his recent laboured style and the fact that he seems so fragile physically? And ECB have shown that they do have the guts to do what they want in the past with KP. Listen , I'm not saying he shouldn't play IPL - just giving you reasons why he may not

    PS - Be honest with me here - if all the franchises saw of KP was what he'd done in 2013 , would he be that attractive?

  • Cpt.Meanster on January 9, 2014, 22:02 GMT

    @JG2704: Why do you feel KP isn't going to play in this year's IPL ? I don't think the ECB have the guts to tell KP in his face that he ain't playing in the IPL this season. Also, it doesn't make sense for the ECB to deny ANY English player from playing this year's tournament given that the English summer begins with ODI cricket against SL. Surely your team needs KP/Butler in top form against the Lankans. I hope KP plays for the Delhi Daredevils. Speaking of Butler, I think he will be a fine player for any club that picks him up. It is rumoured Butler could be picked up first round along with Corey Anderson of NZ and Quinton De Kock of SA. Obviously, not everyone will love Butler cause we all support different teams lol but yes he's surely a wonderful talent.

  • JG2704 on January 9, 2014, 19:11 GMT

    @ maximum6 on (January 9, 2014, 0:12 GMT) re "kP is arguably in the same class as Sir Viv"

    I'd say a definite no to that. But one thing Viv had throughout his career was an intimidating presence. He'd come out helmetless and chewing gum against some of the most ferocious bowlers. However I'm sure KP used to have an intimidating aura about him but I'm not so sure these days. You take away his intent and his arsenal of unorthodox shots and he becomes half the batsman. I'm wondering if flamboyant shots are being coached out of our game? For me there's room for calculated/well executed unorthodox shots in the test arena too. Funny I've also seen less of the scoop from Buttler recently. You don't want him to overuse it but neither do you want him to put it away completely

  • JG2704 on January 9, 2014, 19:09 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster on (January 8, 2014, 20:35 GMT) I'm not going to say I sense disharmony among the players and obviously if they're seen all together partying and looking pretty jolly we'd all be pretty angry after the way they played. The team remind me of the confidence lacking unit (more so) in UAE. We have the ODIs/T20s to come but no KP involvement. And yes I know many neutrals want to see KP in these games but KP kind of made a rod for his own back by saying the schedule is too demanding - even though he played less cricket than any other England player in the last year. Not sure if he'll be doing the IPL this year but if he does it'll be interesting to see if he gets his unorthodox reverse shots out etc. PS I hope Buttler gets a gig at IPL - If he's on form your fans will love him

  • JG2704 on January 9, 2014, 19:08 GMT

    @R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (January 8, 2014, 14:05 GMT) If you read the post more clearly the person is saying that the reason for singling out Monty and KP (and listing all the others) is because they are not English even though Monty is born and bred in England. Also I don't think folk are singling out those 2 players.

    @Jonathan Jono Lane on (January 8, 2014, 14:39 GMT) You're totally spot on here. I used the word IF when referring to what may have been said , but having said that I think Flower should go whether he is anti KP or his best friend. Our slide since the end of 2011 has been alarming

  • JG2704 on January 9, 2014, 19:08 GMT

    @grantleyp on (January 8, 2014, 13:21 GMT) Rubbish. Most of the below weren't good enough over a long enough period of time - the exception for me (and this isn't Somerset bias) is Caddick. You've basically just picked out a load of name players who weren't good enough to play for England over a period of time and because they were not born in this country put that as the reason why they got dropped or whatever. And what about Hick (who btw I loved as a player) - he spent years underachieving as an England player? I could say what about Brian Rose,Vic Marks,Mark Lathwell,Richard Johnson and Neil Mallender (actually the latter 2 have excellent bowling stats for England)- there must be an anti Somerset bias and I'm sure every county fan can name players who have played a low number of tests for England

  • Zahidsaltin on January 9, 2014, 15:06 GMT

    KP is not only the best batsman in the English team but that X factor too which makes fans around the globe watching English team play.

  • akshay_heble on January 9, 2014, 13:30 GMT

    In my mind England will be shooting themselves on the foot if they drop KP...I feel he is the spine of the England middle order..By dropping him the England batting will be spineless. Remember he was the person to seal the ashes in 2005 courtesy of his century thus ending a 16 year drought. Thanks to him England got their hands on their first global trophy (ICC T20 World cup 2010). moreover along with cook he anchored England's series win in India. Yes there might be diiferences between andy flower and KP, but remember KP has been an integral member in making England number 1. So Flower and KP should come together and resolve their issue and keep in mind the interest of England first. I feel KP has a lot to offer England because I think he is just not a great batsman but also a talent that wont come to often for England

  • on January 9, 2014, 11:00 GMT

    Pietersen has talent, no doubt about it... but trouble follows him EVERYWHERE he goes. I have no doubt that he causes problems in the dressing room.

  • Mindmaker on January 9, 2014, 4:59 GMT

    It is this strong desire to control and compartmentalise players that has killed the England enthusiasm and individual flair. Team management has to learn to be less of control freaks and allow people to be themselves as long as they are delivering what is required of them. What does the England management team think they are doing - running a military barrack camp??

  • on January 9, 2014, 4:54 GMT

    To keep Pietersen they appeased Strauss and now see the results. They talk of Pietersen as the greatest ever, but its due to team work Eng have reached where they are now and not just due to Pietersen.

  • wellrounded87 on January 9, 2014, 2:28 GMT

    @Tropicpleasure A rubbish side doesn't take 100 wickets in a series regardless of how "drained" the English side is.

    And if they're drained of intent because they've won 3 series in a row then it would be the English side who is rubbish. Hell by your stats England only won in 05 because Australia was drained of intent and 09 after winning 8 or however many it was in a row.

    You can make as many excuses as you want but the simple fact is England were outplayed in every facet of the game by a much better side. And while they won in England it was Australia who were playing better cricket towards the end of the series which carried on to this series.

  • riahcmra on January 9, 2014, 1:16 GMT

    England are boring ... simple as that. Cook is an incredibly negative captain and Flowers, Gooch and co. need to be flicked. Australia didn't just win because of its bowlers, its batters scored quickly giving the bowlers time to get 20 wickets. The way England play it would take 5 weeks to get a result. They have just survived over recent years by relying on other teams getting themselves out. KP is the only English bat they tries to score quickly all the others are pathetic. I'd bring in Lumb to open with Carberry, move Cook to no.3, KP 4, Bell 5, etc and sack Flowers, Gooch and make Broad the captain. Done.

  • Front_foot_cyber_bully_aka_Milepost on January 9, 2014, 0:43 GMT

    Discard Flower not KP. It's Flower's stifling, negative regime that 's affecting the team and KP in particular.

    Love him or hate him, KP is the one guy who can change the game. However, he shouldn't be selected if he does not perform with the bat. The team can't afford passengers.

  • Kod. on January 9, 2014, 0:32 GMT

    Wow yet again Flower is trying to get rid of KP... Can some one tell this guy "chill out Lad KP is a legend". Oh boy when are they going to fire his a*# and appoint a great ENGLISH" cricket legend to coach the team. I'm bothered by Cook's inability to lead the team. I mean when you see division in the team, you don't become a follower and choose a side. You become a leader and have as many huddles as possible and lead the damm team. This kid has no b*#ls to be a leader because he is simply a follower. He looks weak and lack confidence and that showed in this series. Not just a regular series ASHES.... This kid really need to take a page out of Pontins, MJ and other greats captains around the world... Even if there was any division these great leaders possessed enhanced leadership skills and such divisions were nullified. England needs a strong leader and a coach...

  • 2.14istherunrate on January 9, 2014, 0:12 GMT

    kP is arguably in the same class as Sir Viv. His innings have been memorable. Yet he attracts negative press the whole time. His relationship with Flower is poor.. We should worship him in England.Instead we find fault,reasons to replace him with a mediocre player. Why? Even Swann says the English take success badly. We do. If we win a game we are satisfied. None of this whitewashing business. That is for Aussies. We almost hold failure as dearly as we do success-hence dicta such as winning and losing being imposters and the taking part being the only thing. We keep the spirit of 1890's thus alive. Further the English establishment regard excellence with suspicion and fear.mediocrity is sanctified. In cricket it is professional not to bat too fast,or make mountains of runs. It is not the English way. Flower and Gooch embody this dourness and defensiveness. In Australia they encourage things like raw pace and sidespin.Here they want medium pace and parsimony.Hence the winter bore.Safe

  • kempvet on January 9, 2014, 0:07 GMT

    Make KP captain of England, then he HAS to think of other people 24/7 and can't live in his own little world all the time, he may bring a culture of resolve and not backing down to the English side, more or less reflecting his own personality, a little like Ian Chappell.

  • CantFindMyScreenName on January 9, 2014, 0:05 GMT

    Superb. Only England could react to poor run scoring by dropping the top 2 run scorers from the series. If KP and Carberry get axed - as appears to be on the cards - that's exactly what they've done.

  • dunger.bob on January 8, 2014, 23:45 GMT

    @ Bones87 on (January 8, 2014, 12:25 GMT): Here's something for you. In the Adelaide match I saw KP run from deep mid wicket to have a word to Swann in the middle of an over. After about 5 minutes of animated conversation he broke off and went back to his position. .. The wonderful advice he gave Swann - bowl 2 feet outside the left handers off stump and move it away further. .. That's just brilliant. It lasted about 3 balls before even the bowler got bored with it. .. And, while all this was happening Cook was standing there at first slip, chewing his lip and looking mighty perplexed. .. Moral of the story - KP is an idiot and should just bat. It's all he's good for.

  • Srini9 on January 8, 2014, 23:40 GMT

    If all you really a true Eng cricket fans, KP should and will be playing for ENG beyond 2015. I have not seen that good a players since the era of Bradmans. KP is the only player played five year cricket relentlessily to be a boy representing for ENG, so deserved, completed 100 test caps, that just beggining of greatest greats of Eng Greats, he will be playing for good another 25 minimum test matches for England. Its my challenge

  • Baundele on January 8, 2014, 23:10 GMT

    Flower has become a liability to the England team. This KP issue has been an issue for long. The management is mainly responsible for not managing their best batsman well. Flower and co. are just waiting for the first chance they get to drop him. This time talk about KP will divert their deserved criticism on the horrible Ashes performance. Flower is no longer a cricketer in any capacity - player or coach - he is just a politician.

  • RednWhiteArmy on January 8, 2014, 23:04 GMT

    After the sudden losses of Trott & Swann, im not sure England can afford to lose any more experience. Anyway without knowing the story on the inside, anything said by anyone other than the ECB is pure speculation. Id just give KP the ultimatum, score 1000 runs in 2014 or we'll find someone else to bat at 4.

  • Srini9 on January 8, 2014, 23:01 GMT

    Loads of times Eng team coaches now known as team directors were little hard on players. Eng team was strugling for decades to win a competetion at highest level, I think KP is a monument (not even greats of Ian Botham, Tony Gregg, Geffrey Boycott,not even sobre batsmen like David Gover not won nor part of three Asheh series as an player, but KP did it and he will do it, how can you say as a coach he is not a team player ), I call KP as a Jewel on Crown, I think Andy Flower trying to jump into furness. Andy Flower has similiar attitude like Gregg Chappel had, who as coach misserably failed, thats why G Chappel was thrown out of. As a coach you should not have ego with players as simple as that.

  • badmanners on January 8, 2014, 22:58 GMT

    200ondebut very, very well said.

  • whoster on January 8, 2014, 22:35 GMT

    Andy Flower was the perfect choice to take control of England in 2009, because it was a team that needed discipline. What the England team desperately needs now is a coach who allows the players to be themselves. Since the victory in India this time last year, England have been ridiculously subdued and attritional - even when well ahead in matches. I thought it was sour-grapes from Darren Lehmann at the time, but he was right when he said England played dull cricket.

    What the Australian side desperately needed was a coach who relaxed his players, and Lehmann has done a great job psychologically. Difficult personalities are part of any team, and players of Pietersen's quality need to be accomodated - like Warner for Australia.

    Andy Flower has done a terrific job for England, but his regimented methods are absolutely not what the team needs now. I don't know who the candidates to replace him would be, but a coach with a sense of fun would be a step in the right direction.

  • on January 8, 2014, 22:17 GMT

    KP has been a disruptive element in the dressing room for a long time - already has one coach and captain's scalp on his belt. He may have gone a bridge too far this time since his form has been poor and he can no longer dictate terms in the back rooms.

  • dzx12 on January 8, 2014, 22:11 GMT

    @Posted by on (January 8, 2014, 10:49 GMT) With the amount of test cricket played today 8000 runs doesn't carry as much weight as it once did. Play long enough and the stats you rack up over time can make you look better than you actually were. How often has he played a true back against the wall type of innings to save England? Where he didn't give a chance? All of the true greats have played an innings like that. Yes he is a very talented batsman and when he pulls it off it makes him look great but he often gets out playing one shot too many.

  • couchpundit on January 8, 2014, 21:54 GMT

    XENOPHOBES are at it again...come to think of it these very people will turn against Andy Flower, if he has nothing to show for this year

  • millsy24 on January 8, 2014, 21:21 GMT

    TropicPleasure You have to be joking. So Australia is a rubbish team and England only lost because they had won the 3 previous series and weren't motivated. It's a good thing that the really great Australian team didn't think that way, beating you series after series for year after year. They would have played your team anytime you wanted.

  • shot274 on January 8, 2014, 20:39 GMT

    For all those saying that KP should go , can anyone tell me who they want him replaced by?

  • Cpt.Meanster on January 8, 2014, 20:35 GMT

    @JG2704: I agree with you. He doesn't seem to play aggressive cricket any more. I wonder what's causing that ? Are there any politics inside the English dressing room ? Cause, the difference between both the teams was there for all to see. Australia played as a TEAM, England played as a band of individuals who were out there to save their skins. Add to all that, Swann's premature retirement. It all seems fishy to me looking from the outside. Something is clearly NOT right with this English team. Andy Flower and Cook are not doing anything to address this problem so it would seem. I can sense disharmony within the English ranks. Compare this bunch with the ones that toured down under in 2010/11 and you will know what I mean.

  • nakihunter on January 8, 2014, 20:32 GMT

    The 2012 fiasco in the England dressing room was largely result of ego clash and jealousy from Graeme Swan, Jimmy Anderson & Stewart Broad. None of them performed well against South Africa in 2012 & now the first two were miserable.

    The way to manage KP is to manage his ego & get him to score a lot of runs and aggressively. that is best for the team.

    Trying to change KPs egotistic behaviour is like trying change Cooke into an aggressive mongrel! It won't work.

  • depp17 on January 8, 2014, 20:02 GMT

    I dont understand how KP is in the News for wrong reasons, I know he has always been in the news and also knows how to be. If England has enjoyed their status of number 1 it would for sure be a collective effort. However, when it comes to KP on the teamsquad its all a different ball game. If I am watching cricket and am a great Fan of england cricket team from 2005 its for none but for KP. His presence itself keeps the match ON. Andy,you think you can make rules to the england players I would say NO.He is the best player England has ever seen till date and one of the best among the world. Still wonder if KP wasnt there in england team would any of english players would know now how to attack great bowling attack? Keep Playing KP. You always rock.

  • 200ondebut on January 8, 2014, 18:26 GMT

    Should pick on ability and not personality - if management cant knit the players into a team then change the management.

    Remember - fans pay to watch players play and not coaches coach!!!!

  • BigINDFan on January 8, 2014, 15:48 GMT

    KP needs to perform and not just keep talking. He should open the innings with Cook in Tests and Bell should come in at 3. Pick young energetic players like Stokes for positions 4-6 in the batting order. Let Prior perform in county championships and earn his place back while giving a young keeper a chance. Pick Onions in the squad to partner Anderson and Broad and get a solid spinner to fill Swann's place even it if means cleaning up Monty's attitude.

    Flower should be given an extended run and no pressure on him. Let him play his part as coach and not as the spokesman for ECB or politician. Former players like Vaughn needs to stop opening their mouths unless they are giving advice to batsmen and bowlers. If Flower is done then bring in a coach who can make Eng enjoy their game and get their winning feeling back!

  • YorkshirePudding on January 8, 2014, 15:31 GMT

    @Jonathan Jono Lane, who knows, I believe the orign of the story was the daily fail in the UK, and we all know the steps they went to to get rid of KP in 2012.

    That said, KP is a disruptive influence especially when things arnt goin his way, read up on his attitude in counties, think back 2008 and 2008.

    In the if KP was producing the goods it would be a different case but hes not produced the goods for 3 years now with the exception of 1 ton every 10 innings.

  • Clyde on January 8, 2014, 15:10 GMT

    It is ludicrous to be thinking of it as Flower versus Pietersen if it is a question of picking the eleven best players in England at the moment the game starts. Pietersen is a current player and eligible for England. Flower can only be trying to up his severance payment by his rhetoric. Pietersen would be picked for England if there were no coach. A good coach is no doubt a benefit, though even this I am not sure of. To suggest that a coach could interfere with selection - which is what is proposed, irrespective of whether Flower is a selector - is to suggest a coach is as important as a player and that selection of players is not on their ability. Impossible. Hence, Flower will go, only the price to be decided.

  • jimmyvida on January 8, 2014, 15:05 GMT

    Both Cook and Flower are doing everything to keep their present positions. Lets see what the bosses are going to do. No finger pointing please. This is not the first time a team has lost badly. It is not going to be the last. Dig in and move forward. England are still a very good team. The next couple of series will tell.

  • zzby on January 8, 2014, 14:54 GMT

    Kp the champion player will comeback and prove he is the best.

  • 2929paul on January 8, 2014, 14:41 GMT

    @grantleyp You are showing a little ignorance if you think that the players you mention are either "foreigners" or singled out as scapegoats because they are "foreigners". I won't go through all of them but to start with, Monty was born in Luton, 15 miles down the road from me and has had 50 chances already in Tests, Dean Headley was born in Worcestershire and retired due to injury.

    In the 80s and 90, England failed a lot, so plenty of players were cut and plenty of them probably shouldn't have been selected in the first place. Right now, England have had a relatively successful period but this humiliation is seeing calls for drastic action, and KP is an easy target for the press and public because he is not an easy character to like. Brits generally don't like his character traits - he's too brash and self confident. It's all a bit too much about KP.

    In 2008, the ECB sacked both KP and Moores when KP said it's him or me.

  • on January 8, 2014, 14:39 GMT

    So what part of "Andy Flower has taken the unusual step of issuing a statement that describes as "totally inaccurate" reports that he has told the ECB he will resign as coach unless Kevin Pietersen is dropped." is being misunderstood here? Why are so many comments assuming that Flower wants to be rid of KP. What is the basis for people accusing Flower of not managing KP for the benefit of the team and of KP? Why would so many here advocate bringing in Gary Kirsten, who jumped onto the Indian band wagon as they peaked and then abandoned ship, by hopping onto the SA bandwagon as it reached number one. He has never built a test side! Furthermore he didn't have the courage to start the re-building process in India, instead leaving it to his successor to get rid of ageing stars. Flower has built this side from rock bottom, and he can do it again. His only error has been to stick with too many for too long. For sustained success there has to be succession of old with new talent!

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on January 8, 2014, 14:05 GMT

    @grantleyp (post on January 8, 2014, 13:21 GMT): Fair enough; I don't know where you're from, but why single out England here? Every country is guilty of this. For Australia for example, there's an equally long list of players like Katich, Hauritz, North, Hodge etc. etc. that haven't exactly been treated fairly - despite quite a few players in very poor form getting preferential treatment in previous series. The problem with limelight players like KP is that the media/crazy fans put them on such a high pedestal, and then once they inevitably fail/go through a rough patch, the stones/knives/rotten tomatoes come out in full force. My issue with limelight players like Swann and KP for England is that they are very susceptible to failure once more conservative, steadfast players like Trott and Bell aren't there or in poor form themselves. It's then that the proverbial really hits the fan, and you realise that runs, wickets and team ethos mean much more to cricket than celebrity status.

  • sgbhatcar on January 8, 2014, 13:41 GMT

    As much as managers get credit for famous victories, they should get blamed for failures...This has been a major failure and I don't believe that KP is the sole reason for it...England misfired on all fronts and looked a demoralised lot. I think Flower should be out. Of course, there will be a lot of anti-KP feelings in the dressing room, after all the troubles between KP and his teammates, during the South Africa series in England and the exit of Andrew Strauss. But, at least during this series, the entire England team looked in poor shape, especially after their 1st Test defeat...I guess they came with expectations that were too high to achieve.

  • on January 8, 2014, 13:38 GMT

    from a forum that I hold in high regard, how is this topic even a debate?

    my only question: why did the worlds best team NOT select him?

    KP out.

  • ihaq1 on January 8, 2014, 13:38 GMT

    when u are responsible for success than u have tobe part of teh problem for failure...i see many failures in australia...pietersen, anderson, bell, cook, flower, the wicketkeeper...bowlers have tobe involved in setting their fields although one does not see cook as an assertive captain...while the bowling did not fail in totality they did get hit as in the last test match...one does not understand why u take five test bowlers and not play two of them at all...it does seem to me a joke that your number six can bat and bowl better than teh entire team although Prior has been known to defend and bat when teh entire top order fails before this series...u have to build a team with dependable batsmen whatever teh reasons that they could not bat well...i thought teh aussie bowling particularly good and teh english just could not play harris in the last two series...Flower may be the man to go and amongst coaches i would suggest Gary Kirsten and probably a new bowling coach as well...

  • grantleyp on January 8, 2014, 13:21 GMT

    The infighting, finger pointing, and mudslinging has now begun. And all of it is being thrown in Kevin Peiterson's direction. England are very poor losers and has always been. They seem to think they have the God given right to win every cricket match. They were simply beaten by a better team. The talk is now to get rid of KP and Monty. How convenient. Over the years England has done the same thing to the foreign players who has played for them. Players like Roland Butcher, Devon Malcolm, Monty Lynch, Chris Lewis, Phil Defreitas, Dean Headley, The Hollioake brothers, Andrew Caddick, and the list goes on and on.All these players were treated appallingly by England and made a scapegoat when the team was being beaten. They are picking on KP for getting out to the same shots, but Cook has been getting out to the same shots, LBW, caught behind consistently for a long time, so why not pick on Cook's faults. KP don't need England. KP, go the IPL, at least you will be better off financially.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on January 8, 2014, 13:17 GMT

    I totally agree with Phil Tufnell: KP is not up amongst the cricketing greats (not yet anyway) - he is simply a good player who has done great things. There is no way KP should be the scapegoat for the recently concluded Ashes drubbing; why on Earth should he be when wasn't there only just one century throughout the whole tour by an Englishman, and that by a newbie? England's batmen's form sucked throughout the whole series, and couple that with outstanding bowling and fielding and strategies by Australia and 5-0 was simply inevitable. KP is human, just like the other England players, and humans go through bad periods. The only reason I have perhaps been harsh on KP in the past is because some people on here seem to forget he's human, and yet tore into the likes of Bell and Trott who have been some of the most consistent batsmen in world cricket. With regards to KP's team mentality, I still maintain he was the 1st player to run over and talk with the bowlers during many recent series.

  • ScottStevo on January 8, 2014, 13:10 GMT

    @TropicPleasure, so winning a record 4 in a row wasn't motivation enough? Weak excuse for a weak performance. England are a rubbish side and have been for years. The thing that annoys me most is that they won in England when they were playing awfully then too.

  • JG2704 on January 8, 2014, 13:09 GMT

    @CricketingStargazer on (January 7, 2014, 15:39 GMT) Hello - Yes , I did say injuries could be the reason why KP is like he has been - but if you lose that positive intent and the arsenal of shots he used to use he becomes half the player. I still wonder if flamboyance is being coached out of players . KPs scoring was still poor - just better than all the other England batsmen. The fact that Stokes came out as the only century maker and with the highest average says it all. Some folk say about bringing positive players like Buttler into the side but it seems to me that these players overcompensate on their shorter format game rather than just rein it in a little. SF shots are good for test cricket if planned and executed well. Also would carrying an injury not restrict his bowling - which is moderate anyway?

  • JG2704 on January 8, 2014, 13:09 GMT

    @maximum6 on (January 7, 2014, 15:45 GMT) I'm not sure today's version of KP is a redeeming feature anyway. For me right now (and this is probably a bit kneejerk) but our 2 redeeming players are Stokes and (a fully fit) Broad

    @Cpt.Meanster on (January 8, 2014, 0:45 GMT) Problem is he doesn't seem to play that fearless brand of cricket for England these days. If he did I'd say you'd have a point.

  • JG2704 on January 8, 2014, 13:08 GMT

    @Harmony111 on (January 8, 2014, 1:23 GMT) To be fair Tremlett took 4 wickets at 30 a pie4ce in his one test and was then discarded. I was against him being picked but if he had continued to be picked and carried on in the same form he may have helped us close the gap. I honestly cant see how they could have expected any more from him. Unfortunately Finn has been totally out of nick and unfortunately by all reports he was lacking control as he was for England this summer. Hopefully he can come back. I'd still say it was more our batsmen than bowlers who let us down. Cook said pre series that 400+ scores were essential and I think our batsmen averaged 220-230 Agree re Flower though. For me he has no plan B and Cook/Flower have openly said they'll stick with what they're doing .. does not bode well

  • JG2704 on January 8, 2014, 13:08 GMT

    @Ms.Cricket on (January 8, 2014, 1:26 GMT) Not sure who in the Eng set up is talking about dropping KP. I think the selectors should be sacked for many things but not for picking Jonny (who I think has the best average for an English WK in 1st class cricket and is young,learning and versatile as he could deputise for Prior and as an outfielder.Who would you have over Monty? Maybe Kerrigan but then would he have done much better? One of the probs is that we have no one obviously better than these players. Alot of people said that Bell should have gone in at 3 to give the inns some impetus but then if you look at the SRs of both throughout the series both have more often laboured rather than flourished. Both are capable of scoring at a tempo but like the England team as a whole both rarely do

  • JG2704 on January 8, 2014, 13:07 GMT

    Ms.Cricket on (January 8, 2014, 1:26 GMT) Problem with Buttler is that (like all players who do well at shorter formats) he'll almost certainly overcompensate on his attacking instincts as others have done

  • JG2704 on January 8, 2014, 13:07 GMT

    This story was solely about KP committing himself to England but has now become about Flower too. From what I readre textgate I thought Flower was right at the time although afterwards it became a nonsense when the ECB said they believed KP had said nothing derogatory in the texts and believed KP. Therefore why was he dropped? Anyway onto this , if (and it's a big IF) Flower has issued an ultimatum then he should be the one to go. I've always said that no player is bigger than the team but also no manager is bigger than the team. For me the ECB not even looking into the reasons behind the 5-0 WW is laughable and there's a saying "You should never look a gift horse in the mouth" and if Flower is offering his resignation over KP continuing then for me it's a no brainer. As I've said before you could split Flower's reign into 2 halves - look at the results either side of the 4-0 win vs India and tell me that this is the same world class outfit

  • on January 8, 2014, 13:04 GMT

    I donot understand why all people are criticizing KP. I think he is quite better than others like Cook and Bell. They played even more worse than KP. Where is role of Andy?? Why he will not resign with cook.

  • PutMarshyOn on January 8, 2014, 12:49 GMT

    A guy who has just masterminded a 0-5 disaster wants complete and utter control. Ego on the rampage. No wonder he and KP don't get along.

    The key players are fried mentally & physically, the new players can't be expected to make up the shortfall, even if they are of sufficient quality (Stokes - likely, Root - Mmmm). Leadership and management are not as important as some would have it - when the team has individuals playing well decisions are easy, when they aren't it doesn't matter what short term decisions you make.

    They all (Flower included) need a rest, and then face up to reality. The truth is the expectations around this team are unreasonable. They players aren't there for them to be #1. There's no shame in that. So look at the next generations - what needs to be done to get the best out of them? Tip #1 - Prepare some pitches with some life in them.

  • on January 8, 2014, 12:46 GMT

    without KP I don't think England can even dream of beating Aussies 5-0 in 2015

  • Yevghenny on January 8, 2014, 12:38 GMT

    @ LongLiveTestCricket, dont believe the hype about KP winning series for england especially ashes series, in 2005 it was mainly won by the bowlers, KP shelled several sitters, and apart from the oval didnt really perform, in 2009 he struggled and missed 2/3 tests with injury, in 2010/11, that series was Cook's series who scored KP considerably, and lets not forget Anderson, Tremlett and Bresnan that restricted Australian totals, in 2013 Bell and Broad where the main reasons england won the 3 tests

    ==

    So yorkshire, you want to omit the 4 years between 2005 and 2009 when he was pretty much single handedly carrying the England batting? Why do you think they made him captain in the first place?! 2005 his debut series against the likes of McGrath and Warne and he smashes them round the clinch the ashes. In ashes 2007, he was the only player to emerge with credit.

  • Jagdish3k on January 8, 2014, 12:34 GMT

    Talents can't be reined in. Under Flower , England has worked as a well oiled machine.But they have remained as boring and as mechanized as a machine. KP adds colour, flamboyance and more importantly the karishma , the brilliance, the x-factor. If you take KPs carrier he has always contributed in key series and has been instrumental in wins. In 2011-12 , it was his innings at SL which saved the series for England. It was his brilliance in Mumbai which gave them momentum and titled the scale which lead to England win. He is a precious talent and should be handled well. If he is not well managed it is failure of England Management. It is ultimately England's loss.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on January 8, 2014, 12:30 GMT

    It is win-win for both ECB and KP himself if is dropped. Eng for obvious reason and KP the hefty $$ cheque he gets from cricket's 'big show' - cash rich IPL.

  • Bones87 on January 8, 2014, 12:25 GMT

    I've always been a huge KP fan, that innings at Headingley against South Africa I'd put up there as one of the best innings I've ever seen and he's played many other astounding, game changing ones (The Oval 2005, Mumbai 2012 quickly spring to mind) also. End of the day, Vaughan is right, Pietersen can't be standing down there at fine leg essentially having nothing to do with the play. He needs to be taking an active role in the game. I think vice-captain would be ideal but I can see how that would be a problem and not going to happen, at the very least he needs to be in there helping out Cook. He has a fantastic cricketing brain and could be an asset, instead, lately he has just been a batsmen and if he's just going to be like he has been lately (Perth a great example), I'm not sure how much of a loss he would be, and I'm sad to say it. I'd like see him go on to 2015 also, but he needs to take a more active role in things and be more into the team.

  • on January 8, 2014, 12:16 GMT

    This issue is being made much more complicated than it needs to be more. The only principle which needs applying is this: success should be rewarded, failure should be punished. Losing a series 5-0 to a not particularly great opposition should be punished. Do that by announcing no central contracts will be awarded for the 2014 English season. Anyone who wants to play for England should be required to play all matches for their counties prior to the start of the next international series with Sri Lanka. Anybody who doesn't do this or uses it as an opportunity to play in foreign leagues like the IPL will be deemed to have made themselves unavailable for selection for England during the 2014 season. That way, anyone like Pietersen will be left with a clear choice, prove you want to play for England. No one will be stopped from going to the IPL but if you do you won't be picked for England. We can return to a cosier arrangement in 2015 if the side are more successful in 2014 & 14-15.

  • TropicPleasure on January 8, 2014, 12:02 GMT

    @Bonehead_maz agreed. I also believe if England were playing another team their performances would have been different. Having beaten Australia three consecutive Ashes and to play them so soon after drains you of the desire. England were whitewashed by a rubbish team because England weren't motivated to play. The ECB should apologies to England players and fans for agreeing to back to back Ashes. They should also thank Flower for wheat he's done for England cricket over the past few years, but recognise that he's reached his expiry date.

  • SagirParkar on January 8, 2014, 12:01 GMT

    "Flower has wasted no time in indicating to the new managing director of England cricket, Paul Downton, that he wants full authority to rebuild England's Test side as he sees fit, with the final say on selection."

    that is a LOT of power for one man... and if it is in fact true, then it is not good news for England.. irrespective of KP's ego and arrogance, he is a damn good bat and probably one of the very few people in the Eng squad who can tear opposition bowling attacks apart..

    If Eng management want to give Flower all that power, then the consequences be on their head.

  • on January 8, 2014, 11:51 GMT

    England won in India because of KP , it was his devastation in Mumbai that got England on top, being an Indian this is a tough thing to admit, but had KP not played that game it could have been a tough scenario..wen u have such raw talent the management needs to give it some respect..

  • on January 8, 2014, 11:32 GMT

    Flower should go, its simple as that. Why always bring KP in the tussle. He is one of the best players in england side. There are too many issues to be dealt than making KP a scapegoat.

  • jackiethepen on January 8, 2014, 11:27 GMT

    Let's get back to the main issue. Flower says he wants the Tour to be reviewed in a sensible calm and logical manner. Well logically that must include the management role of coach and captain. Why then did Flower announce his claim to stay until 2015 before any process of review has taken place. Why did he jump the gun? The ECB likewise backed him, not only before any review, but before the outcome of the final Test - the proclaimed start of the new era according to Flower - er what happened to that? The ECB have wrong footed themselves but they will always be remembered for total incompetence unless they state that everyone will be under review and the coach is stopped from issuing statements that threaten his team until his role is reviewed. Why would you give more control to a coach who can't handle the team he has? Flower believes in his own omnipotence. Big mistake, always is. He thought he could have a go at KP behind his back. He misread the silence of the media as permission.

  • on January 8, 2014, 11:05 GMT

    Well aint this a pickle we have here

  • milepost on January 8, 2014, 10:56 GMT

    Flower needs to be sacked, there's no doubt about that. If KP is disruptive sack him too. Don't sack him just because a few players don't like him though, that's tough luck, just get on with it.

  • Ms.Cricket on January 8, 2014, 10:51 GMT

    Peitersen should actually be made captain. Need a different strategy and let Cook do what he does best, score runs. Probable best England team would be Cook, Compton, Trott (Ballance), Peitersen (c), Bell, Root (vc), Stokes, Jos Butler (wk), Broad, Kerrigan, Anderson.

  • on January 8, 2014, 10:49 GMT

    dzx 12 Whats your agenda? Your argument does not hold water as KP has scored more than 8000 runs in Tests. He is up with all time greats. Come on be honest and spit it out .Whats your real gripe against him

  • on January 8, 2014, 10:44 GMT

    Moores, Strauss, Flower.... isn't it a common theme? One player doesn't make a team but sure can destroy a team. Pietersen was a liability on and off the field this series. However, England need to look at another coaching option as well - something who can control the massive egos such as Broad and Anderson. A recent player such as Giles or Collingwood may be good options as they are well-respected.

  • ThirteenthMan on January 8, 2014, 10:43 GMT

    With luck this will rid us of both Pietersen and Flower.

    If Trott had a problem, why was there not a plan to deal with what happened (e.g. Compton in the party as cover)?

    Why was Swann allowed to go when there was still a chance of bowling in fourth innings (as we did in test 4)?

    The Pietersen matter rumbles on.

    Flower looks inadequate.

  • on January 8, 2014, 10:43 GMT

    Flower should just see who creates more interest in a match..KP or some one else from the england team....come on people talents like KP are not born daily...I once asked Umar gul whose his fav victim and the first name he mentioned was KP....that is how much he is valued by the opposition. KP axing is not the solution.

  • on January 8, 2014, 9:48 GMT

    I've never been a KP fan however i believe there is way more issues in the English camp than just KP. Dropping him now would be a huge injustice... in fact... a good man manager should recognize his potential as a great fighter and use that to rebuild what was a decent but in no way a world beating side. Two ashes wins against a really poor Assie side made the English look better than they were. They were a good side... but not great... #safferforlife

  • DaisonGarvasis on January 8, 2014, 9:06 GMT

    It is baffling to even think Andy Flower has the bargaining capacity to tell ECB either me or KP!! Well, if it comes to that, it should be a "no-brainer" decision. You dont drop England's leading run scorer for a coach. Coaches can be replaced. A talent like KP doesnt come everyday. KP has expressed his desire to play till 2015, so unless he suffer a drastic dip in form, he should play until 2015. If a coach in the meantime doesnt like it, he should be shown the door.

  • on January 8, 2014, 8:50 GMT

    I cannot believe that all these accusation have fallen upon KP again... Why does he always need to prove his loyalty to English cricket... They always target him because he is not English and diplomatic/yes-man. I feel sorry for him. He is a pure genius and deserves some space...

  • YorkshirePudding on January 8, 2014, 8:48 GMT

    @Sayak Bhattacharyya, really I thought it was swann and monty, with their 19-325 in the game, KP helped out with 180+ and Cook also got 120+, you also seem to forget the 2rd test score where Cook got 190, and KP scored a massive 58 in two innings.

    As I've consistently said KP isnt the best batsman in the england squad, the 4th test was closer but again KP didnt manage to outscore either Trott or Bell, especially in the second innings.

  • screamingeagle on January 8, 2014, 8:46 GMT

    Well, if KP is difficult, then what about Broad et al? And is Flower so useless at man management to handle KP? Then probably Flower should be the person to leave. Speaking from an Indian viewpoint, I would be pretty happy if they decide to drop KP, would only help us.

  • on January 8, 2014, 8:22 GMT

    This summer of cricket in Australia has been appalling barely one test match going the full 5 days..England didn't stand up and fight , England scored off memory one test hundred in 10 innings of test cricket which came from a bowler Ben Stokes!!. I reckon Bangladesh could beat England in this weak and sad state. The issues are far beyond KP , the inner circle of the team has fallen too pieces no Trott , Swan retiring early tour without bowling at the MCG or SCG which are turning wickets.. The performance was disgraceful at least they gave Carberry a go with his bicycle helmet this guy has talent! needs to score a bit faster then 25 off 80 balls..

  • on January 8, 2014, 7:59 GMT

    Flower perhaps forgot that England would have never won the Mumbai Test and the series in India but for KP. His knock in such a rank turner was a series defining moment. He beat India in their own game of spin, and from that point the series was England's to lose. I will be adamant enough to say that perhaps this innings was the difference between the results of recent India tours of England and Australia. Without taking anything away from Cook, KP is the only English batter at present to play such series defining innings, just like Sehwag used to play in his heydays. KP is the only match winning batsman in this English side, period.

  • ooper_cut on January 8, 2014, 7:59 GMT

    I was thinking along the lines of making KP the captain, but VC will also do well. Flower WILL resign then.

  • Hira1 on January 8, 2014, 7:44 GMT

    flower denies ultimatum after reading all the media reports. He realized this time he is not supported by media and spectators.

  • lardster on January 8, 2014, 7:42 GMT

    Pietersen all-time great? Never ever. Played great innings, inconsistent, superbly talented, failed much too often for greatness. Clearly a complete numpty and hugely unpopular within the team and they are much better off without him.

  • zenboomerang on January 8, 2014, 7:23 GMT

    What is interesting is that since Flower has become coach & Gooch (batting) is that KP's stats have dropped significantly. A coincidence? Highly unlikely.

    KP used to be a free flowing batsman who naturally attacked the bowling, while now he has been over coached into being a staid no risk player which isn't his natural style. It seems the smothering culture is taking its toll on a number of Eng players.

    As head coach Flower should be the ultimate man manager, yet he has clearly failed - he could learn a lot from Lehmann...

    Just a final note: 2 to 3 years ago Eng had 3/4 batters in the top 10 world rankings + 3 bowlers - now it has none... Sure 1 or 2 players will slide up & down the rankings over time, but not a whole team sliding down hill.

    So what have the coaches & management been doing for the last few years?... Obviously sleeping on past success.

  • zenboomerang on January 8, 2014, 7:21 GMT

    If the story that Flower is demanding ultimate final selection is true, then the ECB must have fallen to its lowest level if it bows down to Flower. If it happened in Oz he would be booted out of the country much quicker than he had any chance of resigning his commission - Rod Marsh & Inverarity would laugh into his face, along with Clarke...

  • smarshie on January 8, 2014, 7:12 GMT

    Ahem.... not sure about this bit: "The man himself has always insisted he wants to part of England's defence of the Ashes in 2015"...

    I hate to break it to you but I don't think England are going to be *defending* the Ashes in 2015. I don't think we hold them anymore...

  • simon_w on January 8, 2014, 7:09 GMT

    As an England fan I could quite happily live without KP around the side. The fact that we can have an interesting discussion about whether he's worth all the aggravation or not is testimony to what a talent he is, and I could go either way. I tend to agree with Tuffers' much publicized comments that KP is far from being an all-time great. All-time greats are not "mercurial".

    I also think the self-serving sideline agitations of Michael Vaughan are unhelpful to the point of being damaging. Like many England fans, I would have had the man's babies in 2005, but I find the self-satisfied tone he adopts in his media work distinctly unflattering.

  • Bonehead_maz on January 8, 2014, 7:07 GMT

    @ TropicPleasure . Yes (it has occurred, it shows a weakness). Yes. Yes he should. (However we live in a World where no such thing will happen.) I expect (I'm not Nelson) that the majority of English batsmen on this tour, if persevered with, will score well in their summer.

  • AlSmug on January 8, 2014, 6:48 GMT

    Its even visible to blind freddy there is bad blood in the england camp, find the canker and cut it out , otherwise 2015 could be another 5-0 Aussie whitewash Australia have a a long list of talented quicks that want nothing more than English blood. Aussie battings is a bit dodgy but they have some good talents like Nic Maddison and Joe Burns to mention just a couple whom have plenty of confidence in their own ability .

  • Thegimp on January 8, 2014, 6:44 GMT

    Personally I'd be telling Flower to sort it out or hand back the pay cheque and walk. I agree with others when they say a coaches job at this level is to manage the egos and make them fit into the team environment. Warne was a huge detractor of Buchanan however Bucks was wise enough to manage it. If Flower wants to build his own team to be in his image I have a team of U15s at home he can start with however he just might find a couple of those egos a little too much to work with.

  • TropicPleasure on January 8, 2014, 6:43 GMT

    Has it occurred to anyone that the entire England team lacked the desire to be playing another Ashes series so soon after the last one? In this case, isn't the ECB to blame for accepting back to back Ashes? As for Flower, I think he has done a lot of good for England cricket, but as Duncan Fletcher before him, he has become stagnant. He should go now.

  • SCC08 on January 8, 2014, 6:39 GMT

    So... Jimmy had a better series than KP? Prior? Cook? Bell?

  • YorkshirePudding on January 8, 2014, 6:23 GMT

    @ LongLiveTestCricket, dont believe the hype about KP winning series for england especially ashes series, in 2005 it was mainly won by the bowlers, KP shelled several sitters, and apart from the oval didnt really perform, in 2009 he struggled and missed 2/3 tests with injury, in 2010/11, that series was Cook's series who scored KP considerably, and lets not forget Anderson, Tremlett and Bresnan that restricted Australian totals, in 2013 Bell and Broad where the main reasons england won the 3 tests.

    In regards to India, Again Cook, Swann and Monty were the key people in that series, KP only plays cameos.

  • pommy80 on January 8, 2014, 6:15 GMT

    Honestly Flower just needs to quit. You can't 'blame' a series on KP, when he's the one actually scoring runs. KP is and will always be the victim. The only way England won't win the Ashes in 2015 is with Flower still as coach. Wouldn't be shocked if Swann quit because of Flower..

  • zoot on January 8, 2014, 6:11 GMT

    Cricket is an individual game so KP should be kept. If he's scoring runs then that should improve everyone's mood in the dressing room as it means the whole team has a better chance.

  • LongLiveTestCricket on January 8, 2014, 5:54 GMT

    KP has won them multiple Ashes, India series on Indian soil, T20 World Cup- which clearly outline his abilities as a top cricketer. I am sure little discussion on his role and addressal of his issues will go a long way in him giving his best. He is irreplaceable for England and in fact, is the only Englishman who is the darling of IPL teams too, causing a lot of jealousy amongst his teammates who have scored a big nought there. Clearly, this was a difficult series and performances of Cook, Bell, Anderson along with Trott who left very early to disturb a settled team, were also equally key to thie failure.

  • warnerbasher on January 8, 2014, 5:42 GMT

    If I was KP I would tell England to go jump and play the 20/20 circuit. Hard to believe their best performed, most talented and their only star power cricketer is copping the blame for the debacle in Australia. England play negative, boring cricket which is tolerable when they win but is cruelly exposed when other teams attack and they lose. I would suggest that Ashes series are reduced to 3 tests until England are even remotely competitive.

  • Pete_AU on January 8, 2014, 5:38 GMT

    As an Australian fan which batsman's wicket did I most prize during The Ashes? Pietersen. Even if we kept him quiet most of the series he still always maintained the potential to change the game in a session.

    I don't particularly like his attitude, but then again I don't like the attitude of half the Australian team. The point being cricketers are humans (individuals), and you are always going to find strong characters when you are dealing with the best players in the world.

    I'd keep most of the England batsmen and work with them in upcoming series, and I certainly would keep Pietersen over Flower. Coaches are a dime a dozen, Pietersen is a once in a generation type player.

  • xylo on January 8, 2014, 5:25 GMT

    I find it funny that the coach can demand full authority after a debacle of this proportion!!

  • Biggus on January 8, 2014, 5:23 GMT

    Cricket administrators and support staff are becoming more like politicians than ever, you simply wouldn't be wise to take anything they say at face value. Out and out liars most of them it would seem.

  • MeijiMura on January 8, 2014, 5:03 GMT

    Andy Flower should have resigned as soon as the 5th Test in Sydney finished whilst Cook should have given up the captaincy and announced his retirement from international cricket at the same time. Significant changes have to be made starting with the re-selection of Compton and pairing him with Robson to form England's new opening pair. England desperately need to include some players with the hunger, commitment and youth to take them forward. Re-selecting Compton and giving Robson his Test debut in the 1st Test against Sri Lanka this English summer would be a couple of steps in the right direction.

  • on January 8, 2014, 4:55 GMT

    Yes Flower has had success with this team, but so has KP, to a great extent.Why is KP being singled out?Why should he be dropped?There are batsmen in the team who did far worse, bowlers who didnt deliver, one batsmen left the team, another retired mid series, and yet it is KP who somehow is loathed?

    ECB, the whole team and the whole coaching staff needs to accept the blame. I fear it is a clash of egos.For once I agree with Vaughan.

  • TSJ07 on January 8, 2014, 4:50 GMT

    Now KP must be cursing the day when he decided to player for British flag rather than his "motherland" South Africa. time and again he has been humiliated by ENG that too when he was the most successful player during ENG most successful run. Cook knew his importance and thats why he brought KP back for tour against India and result was there for all of us to see. KP not only score runs but he also demoralizes the opposition. Cricket administration all around the world need to understand that not everyone is like Dravid, Chandepal,Desilva and some players can be moody like KP,Harbhajan,Symond to name few,even Botham was same in the past. We have to see their cricket achievements and not worry too much about other things.Every human behave differently and players are not robots who can be remote controlled.I just hope someone is able to see the logic and instead of KP,its Flower who should go.And if flower manages to get all the power then we all can see ENG going back to 90s,even worse!

  • yoohoo on January 8, 2014, 4:40 GMT

    KP is not the reason for this 5-0. Period. He is the highest scorer. He might not have matched our or his own expectations, but he is still better than everybody else in this team obviously. I think Flower, Cook and Bell should take the responsibility for the defeat for a change?

  • on January 8, 2014, 4:28 GMT

    The issue isn't KP it is Flower. As coach, Lehmann motivated the team, put his foot down on the stupid rotation policy of CA and Mickey Mouse, organised tactics with the captain and players, involved himself positively with team selection. None of these issues was Flower able to say that he did this. This is where England's main problem was. Why not pick and English coach, Collingwood looks good.

  • C.Gull on January 8, 2014, 4:26 GMT

    You know, I see considerably more balanced comment on "the KP question" here, from this mixed bunch of cricket followers, than I do on the Guardian website which seems to be full of Brits who loathe him. Strange.

  • on January 8, 2014, 4:18 GMT

    I cannot believe what i have read, that Kevin is being given ultimatum. But how can ECB or coach single out one player. Since of late, Kevin is noticeably under pressure, not performing the way he did, and as I see the coach has failed to handle him. He can single handed destroy an attack like the Aussie one. I certainly believe that Flower has failed to handle success and may be he and ECB lost their head, specially with English winning streak. The problem is not with players technique but the mindset and I am not sure Flower is the guy to handle mindset of players. You need equanimity and loving kindness to do such a thing. Instead of sitting down and making dossier of where England went wrong and brainstorming to find answers, the people who should know are acting in a very foolish manner. You need wisdom and not knowledge at this hour for England to rise from Ashes.

  • dzx12 on January 8, 2014, 4:03 GMT

    @SevereCritic - I disagree. He's a very good batsman but not a great one for the simple reason that he throws away his wicket too easily. All of the great batsmen have been able to temper their approach depending on the match situation. They have the discipline not to go after risky shots because they place an extremely high price on their wicket. The way they play at 3/30 is different to how they play at 3/300. Pietersen is yet to demonstrate that he can do that. He has to go after the bowler and while that may make for great viewing when he pulls it off, he leaves the rest of the order in a tough position when he gets himself out.

    Australia worked him out. They starved him of runs to test his patience and he couldn't help himself and often got out playing lazy and loose shots in the air to midwicket even when there were 2 fielders placed there for him.

  • Udendra on January 8, 2014, 3:58 GMT

    KP was the leading run scorer for England. If anyone needs to be dropped, that's Andy Flower!

  • Alexk400 on January 8, 2014, 3:54 GMT

    It is becoming childish ego clash. All KP need is appreciation. Instead these useless flower try to blame him. I really think flower need to go. But knowing england they may let kp go.

  • AamirKhan-SuperStar on January 8, 2014, 3:49 GMT

    KP is one of the best in the world. Maybe Cook should give up captaincy, it will help him concentrate fully on batting and enjoy being on the cricket field.

  • T20Fun on January 8, 2014, 3:48 GMT

    Just 12 months ago Pietersen was helping England to one of their finest overseas series wins. Add to that being an integral part of the team over three glorious Ashes wins and suddenly he is the guy you blame for a 5-0. Almost as if one man and just one was responsible for 100 wickets falling. England are suffering not because Pietersen played badly but because all power is concentrated with Flower and everyone's terrified of going up against him.

  • Clyde on January 8, 2014, 3:07 GMT

    I don't understand what Mr Flower sounds so worried about. Whatever it is it can't be doing him any good.

  • on January 8, 2014, 2:47 GMT

    England is lucky to have a batsman like KP. He is truly a world class player and very exiting to watch. He is one of the major factors in England winning 3 Ashes series on the trot and winning in India. I smell a rat when some people call for his head. Pathetic

  • on January 8, 2014, 2:46 GMT

    KP has been subject to unfair treatment within the English dressing room. He was punished but Swann and co were not. There were issues but these were in the past. why is that being brought up as reason for the poor atmosphere within the team? The team lost unexpectedly and a lot of egos have been bruised and the team are in shock. However just look at how the Aussies mistrusted each other when they were losing and the homework saga of not 1 year ago. I think with Swann gone, KP needs to be integrated. Flower's style seems rigid and autocratic. England need a sympathetic coach that does not treat players like machines and takes the fun out of playing cricket.

  • pt_pt on January 8, 2014, 2:42 GMT

    Get rid of them both and start fresh. They can not give anything more in the future for England.

  • pcraju on January 8, 2014, 2:20 GMT

    KP is the best batsman for England who can bat fearlessly. Cook and Bell have good techniques but they're not fearless against Aussies. One factor everyone in England should consider is - England were not outplayed only by Aussie cricketing skills but there was also psychological effect on English players due to the atmosphere created by Aussies which included Sledging by some players as well. English players kind of didn't have the freedom to play their natural game. English batting was bad mostly because of the pressure and atmosphere created by Aussies. Hence England should only plan to outsmart Aussies in Australia which is always tough. Otherwise they should get back to their natural way of playing. If all the players can support KP, he is a very good leadership material. I vote for KP as captain, they don't have any other young captain who can lead the rest of the team.

  • OneEyedAussie on January 8, 2014, 2:18 GMT

    Is Flower and KP's bad relationship such a big deal? Both will be retired in a couple of years anyway.

  • Insightful2013 on January 8, 2014, 1:46 GMT

    Flower should go before KP. If he's unable to manage KP then it points to fragile self esteem and manifests in wanting complete control. Someone like KP should be the easiest of persons to manage. His emotions are rarely in check so very little assumption is required. If this news is true, then I've lost a lot of respect for Flower. I actually thought he was capable. A 30% KP is better than most batsmen, such is his talent. I can see why KP failed. it's a pitiful manager who can't stroke KP's ego. It seems Flower's ego is fragile and he feels threatened by strong characters. Flower doesn't want what's best for England, he appears to want what's best for Flower.

  • kepler22b on January 8, 2014, 1:45 GMT

    As an Aussie I would love it if the English got rid of KP. He is one of three batsmen that cause us palpitations - Cook (but only when he's in touch), Bell but mainly in England and KP anywhere, anytime.

    Who is going to replace him?

    If there are dressing room issues get rid of Flower. Note the difference in the relationship between Clarke and Watson since Lehman took over.

    Get Giles in and you just might get KP's head in the right space, Cook back in nick and the team having a bit of fun.

  • Manush on January 8, 2014, 1:29 GMT

    Good to read Flower's reaction which must put an end to this unwanted controversy at a crucial stage of rebuilding exercise.

  • Ms.Cricket on January 8, 2014, 1:26 GMT

    Pietersen was the leading English run-getter in the series and they are talking of dropping him! What a joke! The English selectors need to stop putting their ego before national interests. The selectors should be sacked for picking Carberry, Bairstow, Bresnan, Rankin, Panesar etc and for making Root bat at 3 and not selecting a replacement for Trott when he went home.

  • Harmony111 on January 8, 2014, 1:23 GMT

    There are a few Eng players I do not like but KP is not one of them.

    Eng's failure here was a systemic failure, the team has not suddenly become so poor. After Eng had lost the 1st test & with 4 more matches left, I had hoped that Eng would come back cos 4>1. But Eng kept losing & became poorer & poorer. It did not help that some left midway but the over all selection was very poor. Tremlett looked very ordinary & I wonder what Flower saw in him. Bresnan has failed to hit his peak after his elbow surgery, Rankin looked Tremlett 2.0 to me in the 5th test.

    Eng erred in not giving their only true fast bowler Finn a chance. I am huge fan of his. He got pace & he got control. But Flower did not give him a game. Isn't Flower responsible for this 0-5? He owes no explanations? And now, KP, who is their only great batsman, they want to do the pinky to him?

    Eng run the risk of totaling their really good team if they follow with such policies, just like Micky Arthur's era.

  • on January 8, 2014, 1:13 GMT

    Kevin Pietersen is a wonderful batsman and a pleasure to watch when in form. He struggled in Australia to make big scores however the haters should note that at least he struggled and fought unlike some of the team who obviously wanted to be on the next plane home and who put no value on their wicket. Many of the occasions where he was accused of throwing away his wicket was in the midst of calamitous carnage and he needed to try and push the scoring along to ensure some sort of score was posted. If I were picking a team would I select him? Not a snowflakes chance in hell. Anyone who had the gall to send the opposition text messages concerning his own team should have been sacked never to show his face again. I have no idea what else occurs off field, isn't that one enough?? If I were buying a team to win a pyjama cricket competition in the sub continent would I buy him? Yep whatever the price (as long as he left the mobile in England)..

  • shot274 on January 8, 2014, 1:11 GMT

    He is the one batsman that every opposition wants to get rid of in any format. whether his average in the last 3 years was lower than before is immaterial. i can see that Englands 'new era' will start with a colossal blunder.

  • jmcilhinney on January 8, 2014, 1:10 GMT

    None of us commenting here can say exactly what KP's influence in the dressing room is for good or ill so none of us can really express an objective opinion on whether he should be retained or released on that basis. I actually thought that he might retire after this series because England are obviously rebuilding and he has health issues but, if he wants to play on, I certainly don't see that there's grounds to drop him on form alone.

  • on January 8, 2014, 1:08 GMT

    Sack flower, get Beefy in as head coach make Pietersen captain. Fight fire with fire. What this team needs is heart, fight, and enthusiasm, not endless fielding drills and an 82-page menu...

  • Phat-Boy on January 8, 2014, 1:05 GMT

    How can anyone - ZA_Man I'm looking at you - suggest that SA were the team blessed by his decision to move to England?

    Since having Pietersen, England have made it to 1 in the world, won a T20 world cup, and have been in the top 3 teams in the world for basically 8 years.

    Prior to that they had been a laughing stock for most of the previous two decades. Yes, there have certainly been other influential figures, but no-one has won them more games than Pietersen. Amazing that people can STILL fail to see what he actually brings to a side.

  • vswami on January 8, 2014, 1:04 GMT

    @ LeeHallam : One of the reasons why India loves KP is that India loves flair players, irrespective of where they come from. People pay to come and watch players express their range of shots and bowlers to reveal their tricks. Bowling and batting dry is not what people turn up to see.

  • Kak-mal_Khan on January 8, 2014, 0:56 GMT

    I am not a big fan of KP the ego, and I feel the same can be determined for his dislike factor amongst the England ranks. I think the premature departure of Swann from cricket can be attributed towards KP and his swagger. Vaughan has been shown to be supportive of his fellow batsman, but I feel that Broad and Anderson will follow Swann & Trott into early retirement and depression if KP is continued to be given the backing that is so hard to take away. Unfortunately KP along with his ego does deliver the x-factor to the otherwise boring boring England team.

  • Cpt.Meanster on January 8, 2014, 0:45 GMT

    Any English fan with the slightest ounce of sanity won't ask for KP's head because he's the ONLY genuine match winner in this team. He plays fearless cricket which brings a new dimension to the English game. If he's removed, England can kiss their test ambitions goodbye. It will be back to the dark old days where England could sink to the bottom of the pile. England need KP to be the advisor and mentor for some of the younger players. I think KP should be made vice captain where he can assist Cook with prominent ideas. Far too many times during this Ashes, I saw KP stand quietly at mid-on not doing anything. KP being the maverick he is always wishes to be in the spotlight; that in turn makes him feel better and hence translates into his performances. England need KP until the 2015 World Cup and the Ashes later that year. So I hope people don't foolishly call for his axing.

  • Only2neurons on January 8, 2014, 0:44 GMT

    Kevin Pietersen's record speaks for itself. Furthermore, he has scored runs at critical junctures in matches. If England were in trouble KP was always there to dig them out. Of course he does have a rather large ego - the same could be said of Vivian Richards who was a similarly potent and destructive batsman at the height of his powers. The ego goes with the game-changing mercurial batting style....one would hardly expect a quiet, introspective fellow to bat in such a way! He has not been able to stamp his authority on this Ashes Series, even the best are allowed to have an off series. Alastair Cook hasn't developed into the finished article as captain so he has not been able to make all the various talents and personalities work as well together as he might have if he were a little more experienced. The answer? Real management is required, not just planning, monitoring etc....a manager who can speak to the heart, lead with passion and give hope when spirits are down.

  • bren19 on January 8, 2014, 0:32 GMT

    Same problem with Watson in Australia's dressing room in 2013 (cancer). It seems that the situation was resolved when the right head coach was picked. Just a thought.

  • C.Gull on January 8, 2014, 0:13 GMT

    I tend to agree with @jackiethepen and @maximum6. I'm not in the KP cheer squad and I wasn't convinced Flower was a problem, but I've changed my view after seeing KP trying to make himself the player the critics wanted this series (with moderate success, but a decent effort nonetheless) and seeing Flower's almost military rigidity post-series. How did the Australian team deal with harmful cliques and underperformance? They got rid of top leadership including more than one coach, they relaxed the atmosphere and simplified the outlook, and they refocused on cricket above all the other noise (marketing, performance science etc). Look where they are now. Even Clarke and Watto are getting along! The English could take a lesson.

  • on January 8, 2014, 0:08 GMT

    However good the player KP maybe, the man is too big for the England team. Look at the successful teams throughout sport over the years, rarely do they accommodate people who believe they are more important than the team. The likes of Vaughan forget about the drama when KP was captain. He destroyed Peter Moores, look at Moores record everywhere else. Then look at the 'Textgate' with the South African team regarding Strauss and potentially Flower.

    Fact: Kevin Pietersen is a divisive presence in that dressing room.

    It may be tough in the short term an England team without KP but in the long term it may be best.

  • mrhamilton on January 8, 2014, 0:03 GMT

    An english cricket cosmos without Kevin Pietersen scarcely bears thinking about

  • Manush on January 7, 2014, 23:31 GMT

    I strongly condemn the way news is being circulated KP villain of peace !!! Flower cannot have yes men around which is detrimental to team's growth. Let him learn to respect different opinions and that too from the people who deliver and perform in all conditions.Do not attempt to divert attention on trivial issues.Without KP, England cannot rise again and will slump to the bottom league.

  • edrich on January 7, 2014, 23:30 GMT

    The fault for the catastrophic strategic failure of this tour must lie squarely with Flower.He must resign. He must have been aware of the poor mental state of Trott and yet failed to select a proper batting replacement.He must take responsibility for failing to take an adequate wicketkeeping reserve.Prior's basic cricketing (lack of) sense has been apparent since he was laughably named man of the series against SA a year or so back.Who other than Flower can lay claim to being behind the laughable tall bowler strategy? Who else was behind the misjudged win at all costs at Adelaide tactic? It comes down to Flower. Thankyou for what you have done Andy but you must go now.Staying is an utterly preposterous notion.

  • dunger.bob on January 7, 2014, 23:21 GMT

    The article makes it sound as if Flower has an enormous amount of power to get the team HE wants. .. Haven't you got selectors in England? .. Does Flower actually pick the team? ... If so, there's your problem right there. ... If I were England I'd be telling Flower to pull his head in, keep his mouth shut and work with whoever he's given. .. Too much power in a single set of hands is a very dangerous thing imo.

  • on January 7, 2014, 23:18 GMT

    Flower should be sacked and build the team around cook,kp,bell,Anderson and broad

  • Rezaul on January 7, 2014, 23:06 GMT

    You are kidding, trying to kick out your top scorer. I can bet opposition bowlers will be much more relaxed and happier to bowl against an English batting line up without KP, who can single handedly win you games. When whole batting line up was failed then its un ethical to point finger to an individual only. Is it because he is not "Yes Sir" material to Flower?

  • BigDataIsAHoax on January 7, 2014, 23:05 GMT

    Man this is unfair. The man who has been the one most responsible for winning 3 Ashes for England and was the top scorer of the last Ashes cannot be dealt this way? Surely!!! And I thought politics and back-stabbing was a thing of sub-continent cricket. Boy, the English are the WORST when it comes to it! The England team has not hit rock bottom yet. They will get there next summer when India thrash them on their home turf.

  • NewSchoolCricket on January 7, 2014, 22:52 GMT

    Pietersen is only player in the current England team that people outside(and perhaps in England) will pay to watch. The guy is a match winner as his 186 on a crumbling Mumbai pitch attested to. Flower can have his Borthwicks, Roots, Trotts etc. IPL will be happy to have KP, treat him like a champion that he is and will pay boatload of money for his services.

  • bonobo on January 7, 2014, 22:51 GMT

    I just can't imagine what it is that Kevin Pietersen is doing in that dressing room, that somehow it's ruined all of English cricket....it just seems ridiculous...particularly given that somehow he has managed to be the most present player under several coaches and captains in what we are endlessly being told has 'been the most successful period of English cricket' in recent memory....he maybe vain, insensitive, selfish, too tall and perhaps I wouldn't go on holiday with....but I don't want to go on holiday with him, I want to watch him play cricket and score runs, which he 'usually' does quite consistently for England...every tear fir as long as I remember, I see reports calling him a mercenary waiting to defect to the IPL, but he still here, still playing for England and says he wants to play fir years more....and when he does play for England, ( which he has done for over 100 tests) he puts a smile on the face of people in crowd an he always smiles back...when did Flower last smile

  • on January 7, 2014, 22:14 GMT

    Take out one good series against India, and Pietersen hasn't averaged 50 in test cricket for 6 years, the last 2 years being 43 and 36. Statistically his position is looking weak, and perhaps he needs to be sent back to country cricket to get back into form and sort his game out with some proper time spent in the middle, mixed with the knowledge that unless he ups his performances he's not getting a look in.

  • on January 7, 2014, 21:55 GMT

    Cook is an absolute joke as captain and lost control of the team on occasion. He also sets a pattern of spineless batting at the top. Talk of knee jerk reactions is nonsense because we all know if it was EPL football major changes would be made after such a performance. KP at least is not a yes man can turn a match. He should be vice captain. Flower and Cook should resign.

  • FredBoycott on January 7, 2014, 21:52 GMT

    KP is a liability both on and off the pitch, get rid. He has already seen off Moores and Strauss he cannot be allowed to carry on the way he does. Vaughany says give him more responsibility, this would just give him more room for disruption. Swann knows more than he is letting on, he needs to spill the beans sooner, rather than later. I fear we may have to wait for the book. Flower's time is almost up, but KP should not be allowed to be instrumental in his demise.

    What a mess. Get Boycott in, he'll sort it out.

  • on January 7, 2014, 21:10 GMT

    Why is Alistair Cook allowing Andy Flower to be the biggest guy in the room? Why is he ceding selection policy to the guy that organises training? When did the head coach get a role more akin to a football manager? He kind of needs to step up and sort this out.

  • Caveman. on January 7, 2014, 21:00 GMT

    Finding scapegoats is easy. Rebuilding is not. England need only look at their rivals, Australia, to realize that not panicking is a sound strategy. Aussies kept their chins up despite a 3-0 thrashing, and look where it got them.

    The core of the England team have been on the road for a while. A break, followed by a couple of series against relatively weaker opposition to play themselves back to form is what is required.

    Axing your best player will not solve the problem. West Indies tried that experiment, keeping some of their best players out, because Sammy was building "team spirit". Fat lot of good that did them.

    Team spirit is good when your team wins. As simple as that. Otherwise its vastly overrated. The legendary West Indians and later, Aussies, had plenty of characters creating friction. But they were good players, kept winning, and nobody ever cribbed about "team spirit".

  • on January 7, 2014, 20:46 GMT

    Don't think KP's ego is the issue any more. Flower and Cook are the ones with the go problems, and theirs are more significant seeing as no-one including themselves seem to be acknowledging them. Anyone think who Swanny might've been talking about if it wasn't KP as he claims...?

  • Dilmah82 on January 7, 2014, 20:46 GMT

    Andy Flower who much of success as England coach/director to X-factor players like Kevin Pietersen. What we have clearly seen from the last 2 Ashes series is he has no adequate game plan or preparation other than sit and wait for the opposition to make mistakes, and with Cook as captain this plan has been magnified and fallen apart. If England need a fresh change he should be the one going. Clearly the coaching staff have made a mess of a number of talented players. Steve Finn is the best example of this. If they are to sack KP, will they be doing the same to Bell who was more poor than KP and threw his wicket away just as much if not more?

  • Patchmaster on January 7, 2014, 20:44 GMT

    Vaughan should be VERY involved with the new Eng set up - that guy speaks sense and has the perfect experience.....as opposed to Paul Downton.

  • Chris_P on January 7, 2014, 20:25 GMT

    @JG2704. Pieterson must have an injury of sorts. He rarely fielded in the slips & seem laboured when patrolling the outfield. This was nothing like the athlete that was here 4 years ago. For all his undoubted talent, & of others in the team, there had to be something that resulted in so many of them losing form all at once over a sustained period. Understand the bowling was top notch, but these guys are quality batsmen. I got no doubt they'll return to form.

  • jb633 on January 7, 2014, 20:19 GMT

    No more of this garbage from the England management. The fans are not buying any of this scapegoating KP again. I would rather have KP in the side than Flower or any of the suits that run the show. The batting was pathetic and you can bleat all you want about dressing room harmony but it makes no difference when your no 6 (Bairstow) is backing away to square leg, or you spinner can't hit the cut strip. Team unity only exists when you when, it is a made up word to describe the feeling a dressing room full of good (winning) players can create by displaying their skills. KP is 32, look at Haddin and tell me age is everything. This is utter tripe from Flower and the management and they are trying to squirm away from facing up to the bitter truths, that their management style has failed and the youngsters they have invested time and money in are useless. Face it we need a cull of a lot of players but KP is not one of them, like him or not.

  • aussiebear68 on January 7, 2014, 20:01 GMT

    Penultimate paragraph -"The man himself has always insisted he wants to part of England's defence of the Ashes in 2015." - unless there is another series scheduled for this year, it will be Australia defending...

  • on January 7, 2014, 19:56 GMT

    I hope Pietersen stays and Flower goes.

    The only thing Flower is good at is destroying people's careers. Look at how he ruined Compton's career. Now he want's to ruin Pietersen too??

    #BringComptonBack - show your support on Twitter

  • lardster on January 7, 2014, 19:48 GMT

    Brilliant. A Collingwood/KP axis. Selvey has it right, Pietersen is and always has been a divisive influence and deeply unpopular in the England dressing room. He is also not half the batsman he believes himself to be - brilliant in patches but incapable of consistency hence an average well below 50. Flower should definitely resign if Pietersen is given any responsibility beyond batting particularly as needs to prove this 'dip' in form is not the beginning of a final decline. Cook may not be perfect but I've not yet heard a credible or even sensible alternative - this unfortunately applies to 2nd opener, number 6 bat, WK if Prior stays down, spinner or third quick bowler. And that is presuming Bell and KP stay fit and score runs which is far from a given. This is a real mess.

  • Whatsgoinoffoutthere on January 7, 2014, 19:44 GMT

    If Flower is that dogmatic about Pietersen then he isn't the man for the job.

    Personally, I believe that Cook should no longer be captain: not for any reasons regarding punishment but because England need his runs very badly and his returns have diminished the longer he's been captain. I'm not KP's biggest fan, but I reckon he should be at least considered for the captaincy again. He may be outspoken, but just let him be himself. The other candidates are probably Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad, both of whom look like they could do with a rest. As for Cook's opening partner, who? Is Root really an opener? Is there a case for giving Compton another go? I say the latter, but I reckon they'll go for the former.

  • MohammedPadela on January 7, 2014, 19:39 GMT

    Just before reading this article I saw a program 'Inside Cricket' in which they pointed out KP looked in a strange mood throughout the ashes, not involved in discussions and didnt look like that he stayed with the team throughout the ashes.

    On the other hand, my opinion is that Flower should leave first after making this comment as Pietersen was the only one to score after Ben Stokes. With home tests coming up in 5 months Ill advice team England to get their act together and stop coming up with a different story everyday.

  • real_gone_gadd on January 7, 2014, 19:30 GMT

    Ideally we would let him go in the near future, but with only Cook and Bell the other nailed-on top 7 contenders, and both of those out of form, it would be too much to get rid of KP who is still our best batsman.

  • adeng on January 7, 2014, 19:17 GMT

    "Nice to know KP will be around for a couple of years. He is by far and away the most exciting batsman to watch and will be missed by the fans when he finally retires." Pity he does not stay around at the crease for longer nowadays, although the same can be said of all the English batsman. Personally, give me ABdV for excitement, he can occupy the crease as well.

  • PeerieTrow on January 7, 2014, 19:03 GMT

    Oh for heaven's sake! Nobody is indispensable. English players reaching the end of their careers tend to exist on the illusion of maintaining their averages and are allowed to live on past glories for far too long. In truth, with a good enough average established over many innings a number of failures can be statistically tolerated without having a massive impact on the hallowed average, thereby providing the illusion of continued value. Look at the Australian model: when a player starts to fail there is no cloying sentiment; your value is falling progressively, so you're consigned to cricketing history where your average is frozen for all time.

  • on January 7, 2014, 18:53 GMT

    England should not even think of taking kevin out of the set up...he is a gem of a player and has many more years to play...he should be utilised....you cant find a player of his class...i would be really disappointed if he is made the scapegoat..

  • on January 7, 2014, 18:51 GMT

    Pick either Cook or Pietersen. Not both.

  • Redpiggy on January 7, 2014, 18:50 GMT

    Bumble, seriously? I for one have no wish to return to such enlightened post-match analysis as "We murdered them. We got on top and steamrollered them. We have flipping hammered them. One more ball and we'd have walked it. We murdered them and they know it. To work so hard and get so close, there is no praise too high. We have had some stick off your lads. We flipping hammered them." I'd also rather not return to the days of drawing 2 match series against Zimbabwe..

  • on January 7, 2014, 18:48 GMT

    really fail to understand why kp is made the scapegoat at every possible opportunity ..he was the leading run getter for England .... moreover he s the sort of match winner who can play defining innings on any surface in any country...he s still 33 and has got at least 2-3 years left in him... I agree that his knee has been troublesome but its not as if he can't be cajoled into skipping the IPL for a season - after all he missed a year for deccan chargers before joining Delhi... flower can be a little less egoistic about these issues because as it is the talent pool is amazingly shallow in England...on top of that if he brings in personal rivalries into picture then god save eng!!!

  • Robster1 on January 7, 2014, 18:34 GMT

    KP should be made Vice Captain, with Collingwood returning as a stop gap skipper. We all know that Cook is not captain material and the dour, bland Flower should be sacked forthwith. The fact that Flower has already opted out of coaching the ODI & 20/20 side reveals his lack of desire and commitment to England.

  • on January 7, 2014, 18:28 GMT

    Flower and the England set-up are giving KP a very raw deal. He is our best batsman for decades and yet common ground cannot be found with him. A new era in English cricket cannot involve Flower. Cook was hopeless in this series as captain and should be told to concentrate on his batting. KP is the right man to lead England and has a very good cricket brain.

  • danishsyed88 on January 7, 2014, 18:25 GMT

    What?? England lost because of their batting (mostly). No one else made more than he did. And they make him the target??? :@

    Let's suppose he does have some negative impact in the dressing room, the batsmen that were getting out in the middle weren't getting out cos of him :S

  • on January 7, 2014, 18:24 GMT

    Cook failed miserably with the bat in this series so how can KP be blamed for that. anderson bowled as if he had no heart, why blame kp for that. bell, prior,swan, trot, panesar all did badly so how can kp be blamed for that. Kp did not score many runs but was still the topscorer, so why get rid of your topscorer. england need to change flower. lehmann helped australia because the players were not anxious about their places. someone like giles may be the answer for the england test team as well. players have played alongside giles and he might help them better than flower who seems very dominating and only wants to be surrounded by yes men. what has the england support staff done with finn, radkin, panesar..flower and the support staff have not been doing their work...but the whole blame seems to be on kp alone.

  • Niketh2000 on January 7, 2014, 18:00 GMT

    Make KP VC or even Captain, Hire Bumble Lloyd as head coach instead of Flower...Problem solved!

  • on January 7, 2014, 17:57 GMT

    The england team have only been successful because of Pietersen. The other players have fed off his confidence and attitude. Once he goes, England performances will revert to the bog standard of former days. Flower get out the moment Pietersen leaves. If he stays then stay. Get rid of him at your peril.

  • LeeHallam on January 7, 2014, 17:33 GMT

    Well! one only has to read the comments here to see how divisive a figure Kevin is. He has his passionate supporters (Mostly it seems from India.), and those who cannot stand him and want to blame him for all England's problems. Both views are wrong. He has been a great batsman, but not for some time. In the last 12 months he is England's fifth highest run scorer, averaging 33, slightly better than Cook or Prior, but lower than Bell, Trott or Root. His scoring it higher than them, but it is 3 per over, not the 4 an over than most imagine. On his performance on field he should not be dropped, only those in the dressing room truly know his impact off the field. If he is a problem then his performance is not now good enough for him to play at all costs. One day cricket specialism might well suit both Pietersen, England and the IPL.

  • on January 7, 2014, 17:25 GMT

    He is the only genuine matchwinner in that England line up. Plus if he has scored the highest no of runs among England's batsmen this Ashes series and if he is to be dropped, then what of others??? One bad series and England seem to be pushing the panic button.

  • SevereCritic on January 7, 2014, 17:12 GMT

    KP is arguably the best batsman to play for England in the last 3 decades - and one of the best in the world in the same time frame. Yes, he has an attitude. But so did Achilles. But that didn't prevent Agamemnon or Ulysses from using him as their most potent soldier in the "Battle of Troy".

  • za_man on January 7, 2014, 16:06 GMT

    SA were blessed the day Pietersen decided to go to England. For himself, no doubt he has done well but the same unfortunately cannot be said for England as a whole! Whether It's his fault or the coache's or anybody else, the nett effect is the same. I say get rid of him.

  • on January 7, 2014, 16:05 GMT

    Why not make him captain? Lets see how it goes!

  • csr11 on January 7, 2014, 16:00 GMT

    So Pieterson finds himself in an Othello'esq position again. Never mind that he was the top scorer of the series. The English actually competed only in one game, albiet briefly, in melbourne, and guess who was carrying the torch. Lets look back at some of notable victories of the english in recent times, REmember the Srilanka series, England were behind (0-1) going into the second test, Guess who hit them out of trouble and helped them draw the series. Again against India in India. in the second test, it was Pietersons destructive innings which knocked the wind out of the indian spinners. I am indeed astonished that England's most destructive player gets such a raw deal from the commentators and fans.

  • on January 7, 2014, 15:57 GMT

    He is one of the finest batsman in modern era.....any team can't drop him bcz of one tour....He is the best n will remain best

  • cricket-india on January 7, 2014, 15:52 GMT

    flower has screwed with kp's career right from the textgate saga; it's the flower yes-men culture that had led england to this. if india could manage a team of superstars, if south africa could manage kallis and a host of other allrounders, if australia coulod manage a team of world-beaters, sri lanka could manage the most successful spinner, why can't england manage kp? ok so it's got to do with the man himself as well, but again what has flower done to make kp comfortable? kp requested to be not asked to play ODIs and it was depicted as though he had committed treason...the worl over, players have left tests to become T20 mercenaries; and here's kp who wants to focus on tests and flower made his life miserable, leading to all those unsavory incidents. flower has already got all he wanted and then some, including a deputy coach in giles, all support sructures and what not; its time to do a cost-benefit analysis of having flower as the all-powerful czar of english cricket.

  • PeerieTrow on January 7, 2014, 15:46 GMT

    I would suggest that any senior team member who wanted to be part of the "inner circle" would be there. That's part of the growth from team member to team-player. In the dressing room when the team is batting there is an ongoing opportunity, and let's be honest, in this Ashes series there weren't many of the senior professionals out in the middle for any significant time. On the field, between overs 'conferences' are there to be contributed to by those with strong opinions. There is no need on the part of those with an abundance of self-belief for an invitation.

  • 2.14istherunrate on January 7, 2014, 15:45 GMT

    I would take this whole affair no further. Flower should not resign; he should be sacked NOW. His pall spreads a dark shadow of fear and suspicion everywhere in the English team. Now is the time to recognise that the unsmiling unjovial Flower is the reason we failed. He can take Gooch with him. An end of an era? Just end of your shadowy reign,mate! England would not have a redeeming feature without Pietersen. Our run rates would go beneath two. It is unconscionable that Flower should keep getting his way and England go down and down. Australia hit us with flair cricket. We must play their game back and hit them with flair. With Flower all the joy and life is being sucked out of the team.Let the new era begin TODAY!!! And if it takes a few jokes to make it feel better, so be it. The alternative is too offensive to contemplate. I suspect the rumours about KP's disruptive influence start with the coach.

  • CricketingStargazer on January 7, 2014, 15:39 GMT

    @JG your opinion is always work listening too. I think that in this case his injury problems have had a lot to do with things. When you have an injury like that that is slowly crippling you, it must have an effect. Add that to the fact that Alistair Cook had him exiled to the outfield all series where he was well out of the action, which can't exactly have pumped him up.

    Even so, he had 2x50, a 49 and a 45 which, compared to most of the others, was riches. What was galling was that he got a start in 7 innings out of his first 8 in the Tests, but never went on to make a major score, but he was hardly alone in that. It was noticeable that, with no Monty or Joe Root, Alistair Cook suddenly remembered his bowling. This summer that part of his game may well come in useful on occasion.

  • on January 7, 2014, 15:27 GMT

    Just a thought, what if he returned to south africa and filled in proteas #4 position? I can only assume he would be happier and would make proteas strong.

  • Elbow on January 7, 2014, 15:22 GMT

    KP has to stay and he should be brought into the England inner circle, he has a wealth of experience and should be utilised. What he was doing constantly on the fence during the ashes god knows! In terms of his batting I tend to agree he is not 'Great', but he is almost there, certainly if he played a full season of county cricket he would finish top run scorer, so why drop him. He needs to score big runs and dominate a series against really good fast attacks to prove his is great. He'll mash Sri Lanka, West indies and NZ, then 2015/16 Ashes here and SA away are his opportuntites to become GREAT!

  • PeerieTrow on January 7, 2014, 15:21 GMT

    Pietersen must be the first of the old guard to go in the new regime. His age and fitness are beginning to mitigate against him fitting into the redevelopment, and if Flower's reported desire to have test players playing in a significant number of county matches is enacted the lure of the IPL may prove too great.

  • MCC_Tie on January 7, 2014, 15:20 GMT

    How England have treated arguably one of the modern era's most naturally talented batsmen has been utterly poor. He could have given so much move having been properly managed.

  • Team_Cook on January 7, 2014, 14:54 GMT

    @Stephen Anthony couldn't agree with you more. KP is a vital cog and given that he is only one of the 3 experienced batsman in the team dropping him would be stupid.I know people are upset about the way England lost in Australia but that doesn't mean that you drop your core players such as KP, Bell, Cook, Broad, Anderson and may be Prior. You have to rebuild around these guys not discard them.

    I have complete faith that the English team will bounce back and regain the ashes. Other than this capitulation the team has done so many good things and I have faith.

  • jackiethepen on January 7, 2014, 14:51 GMT

    I'll be interested in what George Dobell has to say about this threat to KP from the coach who really ought to be the one to go. Dobell has been the only pundit to question the dressing room environment as a factor in the collapse. How right he was! Well done George. Flower's control freakery seems to be reaching dangerous levels. A good coach should be able to manage the whole team not just his favourite. Only Cook is safe, Flower has told the Times. Flower should go before he has a nervous breakdown from delusions of grandeur. He obviously thinks he had nothing to do with the Series even though he was in charge of it and all the blunders along the way. In such ways madness lies.

  • bobmartin on January 7, 2014, 14:45 GMT

    We keep hearing about Pietersen being the most exciting player in the England squad and how he is a game changer... Well he may well have been once, but he sure as hell isn't now. All the game changing innings in the last home Ashes series were made by Bell....and as for exciting innings...forget it...Whenever he's tried to up the pace recently, he's got out and then be criticised for playing rash shots... I'm afraid the old Pietersen has long since disappeared and we now have just another England batsman..

  • JG2704 on January 7, 2014, 14:03 GMT

    This should be seen as good news but for me KP is not the player he used to be.

    He rarely seems to show positive intent from the start and often the positive intent comes after a longish spell of being bogged down and the shots look more desperate than anything. What happened to the KP that used to confidently dance down the track to bowlers? What happened to the KP that used to play the ridiculous but effective reverse hits etc? For me that was a more confident player.Sometimes his shot selection was wrong but that was probably more due to overconfidence than anything else. I'm not sure if his confidence is not what it was or if he has injury issues or if the flamboyance is being coached out of him - maybe along with other batsmen. Even in ODIs he doesn't seem to play as expansively as he used to. He has a long way to go but I prefer watching Buttler to KP these days. Problem is if he did come into the test side his flamboyance would prob be coached out of him

  • JG2704 on January 7, 2014, 13:48 GMT

    @MarkTaffin on (January 7, 2014, 9:51 GMT) I think we tried to make him captain back along and he and Moores had a falling out leading to both being sacked as captain.2 strong minded people at the top and neither seemingly able to compromise on what they thing is right is a recipe for disaster

  • on January 7, 2014, 13:13 GMT

    Maverick this Maverick that. Cricket is not a game for mavericks and to be honest England has the best ethos in the game. Its only a matter of time before Lehman is critisized for be just that. They were surprised by Mitchell Johnson, got on the back foot early in the series and never recovered FROM THAT SHOCK. Give this England team 3 months rest and the score line would be very different. However what got them was Ashes Fatigue more than anything. On Peterson: Kevin will never be accepted by the English establishment...he knows it, and we poor old blokes in internet land know it. What he needs to do is forget about it get some close mates outside of that England setup and forget about whether England loves him. He needs to make runs. He will be remembered for how many runs he gets. You will never be accepted Kevin. You need to accept that. Meantime Enjoy the fact that u are famous, rich and will never have to do 9 to 5 and work for $5 and hour like the fans who come to watch YOU.

  • tanmaymore87 on January 7, 2014, 12:51 GMT

    all the Indian fans support KP and want to see him in England test side as well as ODIs & T20s...

  • 200ondebut on January 7, 2014, 12:51 GMT

    Nice to know KP will be around for a couple of years. He is by far and away the most exciting batsman to watch and will be missed by the fans when he finally retires.

    To all those who comment on his "attitude" or "temperament" - how exactly do you know this? Do you play with him? Do you have close contact. Or, as I suspect, are you just making it up.

  • Stevros3 on January 7, 2014, 12:20 GMT

    I actually think Michael Vaughn's comments that he thinks Pietersen should be made vice captain of the team could be the way forward for England. He is the sort of maverick who's ideas may just couterbalance the defensive mindset of the Cook and Flower, a Vice captain should have alternative ideas to the captain to ensure the team has a plan B. For the last 2/3 years plan A (unless the ball is doing loads) was tie up the runs turn the screw and pressure would lead to wickets. Australia took a deliberate effort to ruin that plan, by attacking the bowling from the start, this gave away a few wickets but they had a long enough lineup and enough players in form that it worked. England were then shown to be without a clue once plan A failed. Pietersen might just be the right person to spark the possible plan B when A isn't effective.

  • SamWintson92 on January 7, 2014, 12:12 GMT

    KP is a class. Just 33 now. Continue playing all formats including WC 2015.

  • YorkshirePudding on January 7, 2014, 11:43 GMT

    @siddhartha87, I think you need to look at the stats again, in his last 98 innings hes scored 8 hundreds and 24 fifties (Post 2009) compare that to first 83 innings (2009 and Prior), where he scored 15 hundreds and 11 fifties, this shows since the Moores spat hes not really played to his ability, and gone on to convert the fifites to hundreds.

  • on January 7, 2014, 11:22 GMT

    KP will stay, and will make a ton of runs in the summer against Sri Lanka and especially India. He is our most entertaining batsman, the only one who can turn a game single-handed. Dropping him would be stupidity of the highest order. We should be thankful he wants to carry on after all around him were throwing their wickets away so miserably.

  • robble on January 7, 2014, 11:10 GMT

    "To win Ashes 'temperament' is needed along with talent. I am afraid you do not have the former. You should target IPL for your franchise."

    You seem to forget that he has won the Ashes 4 times!

  • siddhartha87 on January 7, 2014, 10:44 GMT

    All the recent KP test hundreds have been legendary innings.Sad to see him missing out in Ashes. Hopefully he scores 4-5 centuries in 2014

  • Manush on January 7, 2014, 10:26 GMT

    KP had been the pivotal player for the rise of England's fortunes and when things go wrong it will be suicidal and great injustice to this player to be singled out for the fiasco, which is a total team failure and very ordinary captaincy shown by Cook.For some more times KP must be the key player around him build a strong England team again.The management did not read the signals in the last 2 years and now face the shock. Blame the Mangers from Flower to down the line.!!!

  • 1_234 on January 7, 2014, 10:16 GMT

    To win Ashes 'temperament' is needed along with talent. I am afraid you do not have the former. You should target IPL for your franchise.

  • YorkshirePudding on January 7, 2014, 10:13 GMT

    @Barry Glynn, Its not strictly true in regards to Durham being the only county to consistently nurture Local talent. Yorks has also nurtured done that with the likes of Gale, Lyth, Lees, Rashid, Rafiq, Ashraf, Bairstow, Bresnan, Patterson, Root, and Pyrah, all born within Yorkshire.

  • AlfAlpha on January 7, 2014, 10:08 GMT

    The first step should be to remove the stale, joyless, bias, play by the numbers regime that has led to this implosion. It's been evident that there is a huge lack of flexibility ever since England went into the first test against India with one spinner because they thought Bresnan could pull something out the hat for them at Ahmedabad. Petersen probably has a stack of runs left in him - but, like the rest of the team, needs inspiration.

  • Mervo on January 7, 2014, 10:00 GMT

    It's not all about the money Kev. Time to go. Your average will never be above 50.0 and that is the real test of a great batsman. Also Flower will never let you play the way you want to. Go quietly.

  • disco_bob on January 7, 2014, 9:58 GMT

    Vaughan is right, KP should be made vice captain. However for him to suggest that England is going to regain the Ashes in 18 months just shows that they have not learned anything yet about hubris. It's going to take longer than that to rebuild.

  • MarkTaffin on January 7, 2014, 9:51 GMT

    Make him captain.

    Would focus his mind and probably guarantee the likelihood of the greatest productivity of runs: KP scoring for HIS team.

    And as a leader he'd be way better than the limited Cook, the bland Bell and the seemingly still slightly immature (sadly) Broad.

  • dunger.bob on January 7, 2014, 9:08 GMT

    I can't see any reason we won't see him in 2015 as long as he makes enough runs in the interim. England need KP because they don't exactly hurry. 2.5 runs per over which really means maiden after maiden to compensate for the runs they almost accidentally score. .. It was exaggerated in the Ashes but I'm told it's nearly always pretty slow, especially in the first 80 or so overs. .. Bell is also capable of rattling along at a good rate and should be at 5. I can't see why England don't play Cook at 3. Carberry will do OK if given a run so find another opener. Did someone say Compton was an opener.? .. Cook can cover the new ball if an early wicket falls and he will probably do better than Root did if coming in at 1/200.

    Anyway, see you in 2015 if you make it Kev.

  • CricketMaan on January 7, 2014, 8:57 GMT

    But for KP they would have never won the Mumbai test although Cook survived a close lbw and went on to score a 100. KP was then and is now the x-factor. Bad series by his standards but if there is anyone that can hold that middle order and spring in a surprise or two, its got to be KP. England team are very well trainied to talk in press conference, they alwyas seem to talk the right thing, the difference is that No.1 got into thier head and soon they were looking down the barrel. Having said that, they have 5 tests against India, to regain thier glory and suddenly Cook and all will look as champions, hope India and surpirse this bunch.

  • on January 7, 2014, 8:18 GMT

    Unlike Trott and Swann, KP does not quit atleast!

  • austentayshus on January 7, 2014, 7:47 GMT

    All the Best KP .. You would come back stronger

  • BradmanBestEver on January 7, 2014, 6:55 GMT

    The next Ashes are targeting Pietersen

  • on January 7, 2014, 5:49 GMT

    KP is a one of the few class players around.He should play all forms of cricket for England as long possible. Its good for cricket and the spectators

  • on January 7, 2014, 4:55 GMT

    A poor series for KP for sure but he would've got at least one ton probably two if he had had anyone past six to bat with. People can bang on about dropping him and half the dude without giving thought to who they would replace them with. English cricket in the county scene is struggling for class. The only county that has consistently nurtured local talent is Durham and surprise surprise, they are doing well.

  • sportofpain on January 7, 2014, 4:18 GMT

    He should play - he is the ONLY matchwinner in the english side - as he has shown repeatedly. Even in India it was his innings that set up the turnaround. There should be no doubt about this. England needs to back their only champion.

  • warnerbasher on January 7, 2014, 4:10 GMT

    Hope he is around for 2015. Sids can pencil in another easy 5 or 6 dismissals. Reality is Pietersen thrived in the Strauss, Cook and Trott era due to their taking the edge off the opposition bowlers. With 2 of those players now gone and the other who has had his technique unravelled in the last 10 tests that protection is no longer there and Pietersen has been exposed.

  • cricketaustralia on January 7, 2014, 4:06 GMT

    Just toeing the line here you feel, he'll be pushed into retirement from test cricket very soon. Too disruptive for the output he's currently generating. Time to rebuild the England side.

  • Sachit1979 on January 7, 2014, 3:54 GMT

    Too many questions to be answered for England. Can Cook still be their leader? How is going to turn the bowl after Swann? Who are going to accompany Broad in fast bowling department? Anderson and all others have been inconsistent in recent times. Who is going to keep wickets if not Prior and last but not least what could be the consistent batting line up?

  • on January 7, 2014, 3:42 GMT

    give him a break.

  • Insult_2_Injury on January 7, 2014, 2:40 GMT

    Hilarious that his flailing batting style is suited to ODI &T20 and the ECB are 'resting' him from the ODI series after a massive underachievement in the Tests! Surely an 'eye player' needs to play as often as possible? Great news for the Aussies! Pencil in one player in the next Ashes series who'll play only for himself as he did in this series.

  • Insult_2_Injury on January 7, 2014, 2:40 GMT

    Hilarious that his flailing batting style is suited to ODI &T20 and the ECB are 'resting' him from the ODI series after a massive underachievement in the Tests! Surely an 'eye player' needs to play as often as possible? Great news for the Aussies! Pencil in one player in the next Ashes series who'll play only for himself as he did in this series.

  • on January 7, 2014, 3:42 GMT

    give him a break.

  • Sachit1979 on January 7, 2014, 3:54 GMT

    Too many questions to be answered for England. Can Cook still be their leader? How is going to turn the bowl after Swann? Who are going to accompany Broad in fast bowling department? Anderson and all others have been inconsistent in recent times. Who is going to keep wickets if not Prior and last but not least what could be the consistent batting line up?

  • cricketaustralia on January 7, 2014, 4:06 GMT

    Just toeing the line here you feel, he'll be pushed into retirement from test cricket very soon. Too disruptive for the output he's currently generating. Time to rebuild the England side.

  • warnerbasher on January 7, 2014, 4:10 GMT

    Hope he is around for 2015. Sids can pencil in another easy 5 or 6 dismissals. Reality is Pietersen thrived in the Strauss, Cook and Trott era due to their taking the edge off the opposition bowlers. With 2 of those players now gone and the other who has had his technique unravelled in the last 10 tests that protection is no longer there and Pietersen has been exposed.

  • sportofpain on January 7, 2014, 4:18 GMT

    He should play - he is the ONLY matchwinner in the english side - as he has shown repeatedly. Even in India it was his innings that set up the turnaround. There should be no doubt about this. England needs to back their only champion.

  • on January 7, 2014, 4:55 GMT

    A poor series for KP for sure but he would've got at least one ton probably two if he had had anyone past six to bat with. People can bang on about dropping him and half the dude without giving thought to who they would replace them with. English cricket in the county scene is struggling for class. The only county that has consistently nurtured local talent is Durham and surprise surprise, they are doing well.

  • on January 7, 2014, 5:49 GMT

    KP is a one of the few class players around.He should play all forms of cricket for England as long possible. Its good for cricket and the spectators

  • BradmanBestEver on January 7, 2014, 6:55 GMT

    The next Ashes are targeting Pietersen

  • austentayshus on January 7, 2014, 7:47 GMT

    All the Best KP .. You would come back stronger