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'Worst Ashes squad on paper since 1985'

Jarrod Kimber, David Hopps and Dan Brettig discuss the Australian squad selection for their upcoming Ashes series in England (00:00)

April 24, 2013

Posted by   on (April 30, 2013, 10:03 GMT)

I would like to see the following team to lineup from test one in the Ashes in this particular order 1.Cowan 2. Warner 3. Hughes 4. Rogers 5. Clarke 6. Haddin 7.Faulkner 8. Pattinson 9.Siddle 10. Lyon 11. Harris. 12. Khawaja "Hughes for Watson?" may ask. Well here is my reasoning. Hughes played well in Australia and was just starting to turn his form around towards the end of a tough tour of India whereas Watson hasnt showed any kind of batting form for a long time and is obsolete as an allrounder with the inclusion of the fiesty Faulkner. Hughes; a confidence player needs Clarke to back him in the top 3 to make it as a Test Player, otherwise he may as well hang up his boots for Australia in tests. It needs to be top 3 or nothing for Hughes IMO with the solid Rogers as batting collapse insurance at number 4. Khawaja can be a hungry replacement for any out of form or injured batsmen and Bird can be rotated for Harris every second test or replace him completely if he is injured.

Posted by   on (April 30, 2013, 8:59 GMT)

Australia can win only if; 1. Our top order (particularly batsman number 3) improve their output to the magnitutude of 50-100% 2.Our selectors choose our 3 most reliable quick bowlers + Faulkner to apply constant pressure to Englands batting stars of Cook, KP, Bell and Prior. 3. Englands bowlers dont play above themselves to match Australia's highly talented seam attack in familiar conditions. 4. Warner plays to his potential 5.Our two most critical players Michael Clarke and James Pattinson stay fit for at least the bulk of the 5 test Matches

Posted by   on (April 26, 2013, 13:05 GMT)

I have vague recollections of the 1989 tour party being dubbed: "the worst-ever Australian team to arrive in England", before embarking on a 4-0 thrashing that was only prevented from being 6-0 by two washed out tests, and included an opening stand of 0/301... Alderman taking 40-odd wickets, Steve Waugh averaging in the 180s and Mark Taylor scoring 900 runs...

Branding a youthful side as 'worst ever, worse since' etc is fraught at best.

Posted by hyclass on (April 26, 2013, 9:50 GMT)

The 1985 squad had seen the recent retirements of Lillee, Chappell and Marsh. It had also seen the defections to the SA Rebel tour that decimated Australian 1st Class ranks. Thompson was at the very end of his career and nowhere near a force. McDermott was at the very beginning and very young. There was virtually no-one left to select. Australian 1st class cricket was at the turning point after the Packer years in which cricket needed to establish its credibility as a financially viable career. What followed was the instituting of principles, institutions and policies that saw Australia's rise to a two decade period of dominance. The current period is in no way similar. The malaise in selections, choice of selectors and coaches, rationales for retaining them and the methods by which players could rise through 1st class ranks were all reversed. Even the use of institutions and second elevens were diluted or reversed. It was a deliberate policy by CA in order to make T20 seem preferable.

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 16:17 GMT)


Welcome to the future, VoIP will get better. Could you have imagined when you first accessed cricinfo, that 3 people spread around the world would be able to teleconference/debate about cricket without using a satellite link and a full TV studio?

Posted by   on (April 25, 2013, 10:56 GMT)

Ashes 85 squad had Border, Boon, Lawson, Thompson. Not that bad at all! And Wessells. And Mcdermott!

Everyone is sayin Aus will get destroyed. I am not convinced. England are not as good as they think.

Compton won't last long, the middle order seems to be saved by Prior a lot. Also none of the England bowlers average less than 30 (apart from Swann).

This will be closer than you think.

Posted by Shaggy076 on (April 25, 2013, 2:34 GMT)

the headline missed one word and that is worse australian ashes squad. trouble isthat worse Australian squad is still capable enough to win this series

Posted by Mary_786 on (April 25, 2013, 1:56 GMT)

I think this squad is better then most folks think and certaintly alot better then the one which toured India... dropping Maxwell and Henriques is a good move because they are both better suited to short forms (especially Maxwell). Good to see Khawaja retained and Bird and Harris recalled and some experience won't hurt our cause.

Posted by Jaffa79 on (April 24, 2013, 17:05 GMT)

It undoubetdly is the worst since 1985 but to be fair the '85 side was ravaged by the defections of the South African rebels and since then the Aussie team 89-2005 were all conquering. It is a shame (not from an England point of view!) that the '85 team did not have Alderman in it after his success in '81 and '89.

Posted by mjcoxx on (April 24, 2013, 13:57 GMT)

This segment was potentially very interesting but almost unlistenable. Terrible audio quality :(

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