Clint McKay takes the first new ball...

Michael Clarke leads out the Australians. The wrapped-up crowd gives them a steady applause. They are followed by Carberry and Pietersen. Not sure it will be an afternoon for blasting.

2.15pm Mark Kidger: "Gnasher, I suspect that England's decision not to add a bowler may also be down to the conditions. I suspect that the reasoning is that Ravi Bopara may be quite useful if the pitch is low and slow and the atmosphere is dank and humid, so a 5th specialist bowler isn't needed." You could well be right. Still not sure Stokes is a third seamer yet

Kapil: "England should have dropped Tredwell and played Luke Wright. If spinner was required, Root, could have been used"

Matthew R Cheek: "England unchanged? Ridiculous. The last game proved that they are a bowler short. Michael Carberry has done nothing of value in two games. Whats the point in picking an experimental squad if you then dont give some of the guys a chance?"

2.05pm Australia have won the toss and decided to bowl. "With rain around there might be a bit in it," says Clarke. Josh Hazlewood replaced Fawad Ahmed, Clarke explains largely because of conditions.

England, meanwhile, are unchanged so no place for Chris Jordan or Jamie Overton. Eoin Morgan says they never really considered changing the XI. Stubborn, bunch, aren't they. Will be a tricky time for England's top order, you'd suspect, in these conditions.

England 1 Michael Carberry, 2 Kevin Pietersen, 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Joe Root, 5 Eoin Morgan (capt), 6 Ravi Bopara, 7 Jos Buttler, 8 Ben Stokes, 9 James Tredwell, 10 Steven Finn, 11 Boyd Rankin

Australia 1 Shaun Marsh, 2 Aaron Finch, 3 Shane Watson, 4 Michael Clarke (capt), 5 George Bailey, 6 Adam Voges, 7 Matthew Wade (wk), 8 James Faulkner, 9 Mitchell Johnson, 10 Clint McKay, 11 Josh Hazlewood

2.00pm Looking at the radar it seems we may have a break in the rain for a little while before another batch moves south later this afternoon.

1.50pm There are, perhaps, a few more promising signs as players emerge onto the outfield. Isn't day/night cricket in September a brilliant idea? We will have a toss at 2.05pm and the aim is to start at 2.20pm

1.30pm We will have a delayed toss but George Dobell, our man at the ground, says the rain is fairly light at the moment. The players continue to warm up and not everyone has an umbrella up. "It's pretty rancid," says Mike Atherton on TV.

Before the rain arrived there was a suggestion that England may make a change to their side with a debut for Chris Jordan. We will have to wait for confirmation of that, but Ashley Giles was strong in defence of the selection policy yesterday.

1.15pm Hello and welcome to coverage of the third ODI in the NatWest Series. Australia hold a 1-0 lead after their impressive victory at Old Trafford. Sadly, the forecast isn't very good for today in Birmingham - rain has just started to fall - but we'll keep our fingers crossed. Meanwhile, you can entertain yourself with a read of George Dobell's piece about England's selection policy.

0.1

McKay to Carberry, no run, on off stump, Carberry gets behind the line and defends to the leg side

0.2

McKay to Carberry, no run, walks into his defensive shot and plays it square to point

0.3

McKay to Carberry, 1 run, worked into the leg side to get off the mark

0.4

McKay to Pietersen, FOUR, lovely from Pietersen. whips this from well outside off stump with a strong flick of the bottom hand through midwicket

0.5

McKay to Pietersen, no run, on a length outside off, this time he shoulders arms...decent carry through to Wade

0.6

McKay to Pietersen, OUT, what a shambles! The ball bobbles into the leg side off the thigh pad, Pietersen wanted to keep strike, Carberry wasn't moving at the non-striker's end and by the time he did set off Pietersen was almost down to meet him. McKay had plenty of time to run from his follow through, pick up the ball, and make his way to the stumps. Carberry leaves fuming. He reckons he's been sold down the river by KP. Did look like a single if Carberry had gone straight away

MA Carberry run out 1 (2m 3b 0x4 0x6) SR: 33.33

End of over 1 (5 runs) England 5/1 (RR: 5.00)
KP Pietersen    4* (3b 1x4)      CJ McKay    1-0-5-0
    

Mitchell Johnson takes the other new ball

1.1

Johnson to Pietersen, no run, beats him straight away with a very full delivery outside off, hint of swing, Wade starts an appeal but Pietersen wasn't near it

Rob Bailey, the fourth umpire, comes down from the pavilion to move one of the microphones behind the bowler's arm

1.2

Johnson to Pietersen, no run, finds the edge, good line going across Pietersen outside off, he pushed at the ball but it reasonably soft hands and it went to ground well in front of second slip

Matthew R Cheek: "That was KP's call, an easy single. Carberry didnt move. His own fault. Why on earth is this man playing international cricket? Luke Wright is ten times better, plus he can bowl, and is one of the best fielders too"

1.3

Johnson to Pietersen, no run, left alone outside off, hint of shape back into Pietersen

1.4

Johnson to Pietersen, 1 run, 91mph, no footwork, pushing out in front of his body and gets a think inside edge to the leg side

Leg slip comes in straight away from Trott. Clarke stood right next to him as he sets the field. All part of the mind games before the return Ashes

1.5

Johnson to Trott, 1 wide, 92mph, goes full at leg stump but just gets the line fractionally wrong and it slips down the leg side...it did swing, though

1.5

Johnson to Trott, no run, adjusts his line outside off and it's left alone

1.6

Johnson to Trott, 2 runs, neatly flicked off his hip wide of leg slip, it was in the air, nicely timed towards long leg who makes a sliding save on the boundary

End of over 2 (4 runs) England 9/1 (RR: 4.50)
IJL Trott    2* (2b)      MG Johnson    1-0-4-0
KP Pietersen    5* (7b 1x4)      CJ McKay    1-0-5-0

2.1

McKay to Pietersen, no run, big appeal! No shot from Pietersen. He padded up to this delivery which nipped back from a full length outside off. Aleem Dar shakes his head. Clarke doesn't review. Replays show it was missing off stump

2.2

McKay to Pietersen, 1 run, flicked behind square on the leg side

2.3

McKay to Trott, 5 wides, very wide and swinging away further, Wade can't collect it was he dives in front of first slip. The ball dipped at the last moment and went under his glove

2.3

McKay to Trott, no run, back on off stump, defended to mid-on

Ryan: "@ Matthew R Cheek - what world are you living in?! No way is Luke Wright a better batsman than Carberry. Wright can't bat! He's a slogger that gets away with it sometimes. He's a second string all rounder in my opinion. Carberry is one of the best going around the country circuit!"

2.4

McKay to Trott, 1 run, outside off, chopped down to third man

The Carberry run out is splitting opinion: Rob: "Carberry can fume all he wants but that was a single and he should've been more alert. The best players and teams take these singles and build a score that way, not just hitting it everywhere."

2.5

McKay to Pietersen, no run, gets across his crease and works this straight delivery to square leg

2.6

McKay to Pietersen, no run, flashes at width outside off, was a stand-and-deliver stroke without much footwork, and the ball fizzes past the edge

End of over 3 (7 runs) England 16/1 (RR: 5.33)
KP Pietersen    6* (11b 1x4)      CJ McKay    2-0-12-0
IJL Trott    3* (4b)      MG Johnson    1-0-4-0

3.1

Johnson to Trott, 2 runs, on leg stump, flicked through square leg and it's place wide enough of long leg for a comfortable second

3.2

Johnson to Trott, 1 wide, sends this down the leg side again, another awkward take for Wade

3.2

Johnson to Trott, no run, good delivery, nips into Trott from around off stump and he has to jab down late...takes the inside edge into his pads

3.3

Johnson to Trott, 1 run, fraction shorter this time, Trott is more comfortable as he's already on the back foot and drops it towards mid-off for a well-judged single

3.4

Johnson to Pietersen, no run, 90mph, full outside off stump, Pietersen gets a good stride forward and defends firmly to point

3.5

Johnson to Pietersen, no run, full outside off, left alone

3.6

Johnson to Pietersen, no run, very full, on the popping crease, squeezed out to backward point

Jegan: "Not sure why people are debating over who was responsible for Carberry's runout, when it was quite clearly Trott's fault."

End of over 4 (4 runs) England 20/1 (RR: 5.00)
KP Pietersen    6* (14b 1x4)      MG Johnson    2-0-8-0
IJL Trott    6* (7b)      CJ McKay    2-0-12-0

4.1

McKay to Trott, 2 runs, edged down to third man...only one slip, which is a bit odd, although this probably wouldn't have carried to second. Johnson slides around the rope to cut off the boundary

4.2

McKay to Trott, no run, short of a length, flicked to square leg

4.3

McKay to Trott, 2 runs, nicely placed through square leg, Trott's meat-and-drink shot, as he gives long leg another scamper around the boundary

4.4

McKay to Trott, 1 run, short of a length outside off, dropped backward of square on the off side

4.5

McKay to Pietersen, no run, back of a length outside, defended to midwicket

4.6

McKay to Pietersen, no run, full outside off, driven firmly to mid-off

End of over 5 (5 runs) England 25/1 (RR: 5.00)
KP Pietersen    6* (16b 1x4)      CJ McKay    3-0-17-0
IJL Trott    11* (11b)      MG Johnson    2-0-8-0

Hello everyone, Alan here for a spell. Gnasher's gone to build a small shrine to Matthew Hoggard

5.1

Johnson to Trott, no run, back of a length, down the leg side and there's a muted appeal as the ball flicks Trott's thigh pad on its way through

5.2

Johnson to Trott, 1 run, angled across, opens the face and runs a single through backward point

5.3

Johnson to Pietersen, OUT, miscued pull and Pietersen is out, simply caught at square leg! MJ has beaten KP for pace there, the ball was on to him before he got through the stroke, came off the bat near the splice and looped gently, straight to the man on the edge of the ring. England's experimental opening pair are back in the lab

KP Pietersen c Bailey b Johnson 6 (23m 17b 1x4 0x6) SR: 35.29

In comes Smilin' Joe Root

5.4

Johnson to Root, no run, drops back and defends solidly around the line of off

5.5

Johnson to Root, no run, fired across on a good length, lets this one through

5.6

Johnson to Root, 1 run, bit of width, Root plays a wristy dab behind square for a single down to third man. Off a blob

"KP can go and discuss that run out in more detail with Carberry," snickers James

End of over 6 (2 runs) England 27/2 (RR: 4.50)
JE Root    1* (3b)      MG Johnson    3-0-10-1
IJL Trott    12* (13b)      CJ McKay    3-0-17-0

Two slips in for McKay to the new batsman

6.1

McKay to Root, 1 run, good-length bal, holds its line on off, Root plays late a a thickish edge runs through backward point

6.2

McKay to Trott, no run, shuffles across and shows a length ball the maker's name in front of off

"Would you believe 'Instant Karma' by The Plastic Ono Band was playing on my iTunes? The magic of random playlists!" Alex also thinks KP has got his comeuppance... though I'm not sure I agree

6.3

McKay to Trott, 1 run, Trott steps forward and opens up his body to drive, gets a chunk of outside edge and it runs to third man

6.4

McKay to Root, no run, dances out of the crease, tries to whip the ball from off stump through midwicket for doesn't connect cleanly

6.5

McKay to Root, 2 runs, comes forward again, squirts the ball behind point, good running brings two as third man lollops round

6.6

McKay to Root, no run, beaten, that's a G-string line from McKay, teasing Root into a poke and a miss

End of over 7 (4 runs) England 31/2 (RR: 4.42)
JE Root    4* (7b)      CJ McKay    4-0-21-0
IJL Trott    13* (15b)      MG Johnson    3-0-10-1

7.1

Johnson to Trott, no run, zips a length ball past the outside edge, Trott coming forward and playing inside the line

7.2

Johnson to Trott, no run, skidding on, Trott plays across his pads and is pinned on the crease - up goes the finger but Trott decides to review! The only question really is whether it pitched outside leg, the ball clearly would have demolished leg stump ... but the replays show definitively that it landed outside the line of leg before striking the pad. Trott took a while consulting with Root before playing the DRS card but it was a sound review

7.3

Johnson to Trott, 2 runs, digs in a short ball, aiming for the top of the block of England's top blocker, Trott manages to shovel it through square leg for a couple

7.4

Johnson to Trott, no run, fired across the bows outside off stump, left alone

7.5

Johnson to Trott, no run, another speed fishing exercise in the corridor, no stroke

7.6

Johnson to Trott, no run, goes round the wicket now, fires it in fill and straight, Trott digs it out and the ball rolls slowly towards the slips

End of over 8 (2 runs) England 33/2 (RR: 4.12)
IJL Trott    15* (21b)      MG Johnson    4-0-12-1
JE Root    4* (7b)      CJ McKay    4-0-21-0

8.1

McKay to Root, 1 run, fullish, Root narrows the distance even further, works the ball wide of mid-on for a single

8.2

McKay to Trott, no run, defends a length ball outside off

8.3

McKay to Trott, no run, tighter, the ball just shaping back a little, Trott knows where his off stump is and shoulders arms

8.4

McKay to Trott, 1 run, pitched up and punched back down the track, McKay gets a finger on it but only takes the pace off

8.5

McKay to Root, no run, coming across his stumps, lets the ball through outside off

"Can't believe the umpire gave that, it was clearly outside leg, was always going to be overturned." It did look a slightly overconfident decision, Matthew R Cheek, but Gough is usually pretty decent

8.6

McKay to Root, no run, comes forward and drives back towards the bowler, who stops it effectively enough

End of over 9 (2 runs) England 35/2 (RR: 3.88)
JE Root    5* (10b)      CJ McKay    5-0-23-0
IJL Trott    16* (24b)      MG Johnson    4-0-12-1

These two bowlers have kept England firmly in check. Looked like a spot of rain on the camera just now, but the weather is holding

9.1

Johnson to Trott, no run, a fiery bouncer sears through and nearly takes Trott's nose off, as he jerks out of the way

9.2

Johnson to Trott, FOUR, well timed off the pads, Trott plays one of his favourite clips to leg and the ball beats long leg to the rope

9.3

Johnson to Trott, no run, Trott is caught walking in front of his stumps again, this time umpire Gough turns down the appeal - once burned and all that - but Australia decide to review. This is definitely in line but height may well be a question, it hit Trott above the knee roll ... and Hawk-Eye shows it clipping the bail over middle and leg, it's orange, so umpire's call and the not-out decision stands

Intriguingly, if that one had been given out, and Trott had reviewed it, he wouldn't have been saved... but hey ho, on we go

9.4

Johnson to Trott, no run, pushed across outside off stump, played square coming forwards

9.5

Johnson to Trott, no run, CLANG! Trott is having all sorts of difficulty against Johnson, this time a short ball hurries on at smashes into the grill of his helmet as he attempted to pull

9.6

Johnson to Trott, FOUR, Johnson continues with his bodyline attack, this time Trott is equal to it, scooping a short, straight ball in the air through backward square leg, well wide of the man stationed fine and it bounces to the rope

End of over 10 (8 runs) England 43/2 (RR: 4.30)
IJL Trott    24* (30b 2x4)      MG Johnson    5-0-20-1
JE Root    5* (10b)      CJ McKay    5-0-23-0

Powerplay done with, a change in the attack, Josh Hazlewood replacing McKay

10.1

Hazlewood to Root, no run, tight line outside off, Root covers his stumps

10.2

Hazlewood to Root, FOUR, slightly overpitched and this is gloriously played, an on drive straight down the ground and it outruns the man at mid-on, despite the damp outfield

10.3

Hazlewood to Root, no run, lets another length delivery through outside off

10.4

Hazlewood to Root, no run, touch too full and wide of the stumps, Root leans into a drive, a bump-ball flies into the hands of cover, to a few gasps in the crowd

10.5

Hazlewood to Root, no run, good length, outside off and just curling away a touch, no stroke offered

10.6

Hazlewood to Root, 1 run, strays on to the pads and Root nurdles a single through square

Here's David, on Mitch 2.0: "Can't help the feeling that MJ's new found fire will fizzle out come the first Test. He'll be bowling to the left, bowling to the right, etc."

End of over 11 (5 runs) England 48/2 (RR: 4.36)
JE Root    10* (16b 1x4)      JR Hazlewood    1-0-5-0
IJL Trott    24* (30b 2x4)      MG Johnson    5-0-20-1

Changes at both end, James Faulkner a southpaw-for-southpaw replacement

11.1

Faulkner to Root, 1 run, on the stumps and glanced through square for another to Root

11.2

Faulkner to Trott, no run, slightly short but the ball doesn't get up a great deal and Trott mistimes a pull, leading edge drops safely a few yards down the pitch

11.3

Faulkner to Trott, no run, this bounces a little more than Trott is expecting, again shuffling in front of his wicket, hit on the thigh pad

11.4

Faulkner to Trott, no run, fuller, angled towards off stump from over the wicket, played back to the bowler

11.5

Faulkner to Trott, 2 runs, drops a little short and Trott gets his paddle-pull right this time for a couple through midwicket - that's the 50 up for England, marked by a polite ripple of clappy hands

11.6

Faulkner to Trott, no run, line and length in the channel outside off, Trott ain't interested

End of over 12 (3 runs) England 51/2 (RR: 4.25)
IJL Trott    26* (35b 2x4)      JP Faulkner    1-0-3-0
JE Root    11* (17b 1x4)      JR Hazlewood    1-0-5-0

12.1

Hazlewood to Root, no run, Hazlewood maintains the discipline shown by Australia's attack so far, in the corridor, Root is certainly not going to play at that

12.2

Hazlewood to Root, no run, full and straight, not quite yorker length, comes back off a slight leading edge

12.3

Hazlewood to Root, no run, this tails in quite lte, again pitched up on the stumps and Root chops it towards mid-on

12.4

Hazlewood to Root, 1 run, bit of width, Root opens the face and takes one through backward point

12.5

Hazlewood to Trott, no run, length delivery outside the line of off, Trott defends it stoutly into the covers

Gough and Dar exchanging a couple of looks. Bit of drizzle/mizzle/weather around

12.6

Hazlewood to Trott, no run, comes forward and defends outside off

"I don't know why people are surprised about MJ's bowling," says Matt. "He's been one of the best one day bowlers in the world for ages now. Same way he's been a very spotty test match character for ages now."

End of over 13 (1 run) England 52/2 (RR: 4.00)
IJL Trott    26* (37b 2x4)      JR Hazlewood    2-0-6-0
JE Root    12* (21b 1x4)      JP Faulkner    1-0-3-0

Interesting - Clarke now throws the ball to Adam Voges

13.1

Voges to Root, no run, slow left-arm, round the wicket, tossed up and patted back

13.2

Voges to Root, no run, gets forward and works the ball, can't get it through the infield

13.3

Voges to Root, OUT, pops the ball back, Voges gets Root caught and bowled! Never let it be said Michael Clarke doesn't know what he's doing. Voges tossed it up, Root advanced but the ball stuck a little on the pitch and came straight back off the face of the bat, the bowler tumbled forward and held it well

JE Root c & b Voges 12 (36m 24b 1x4 0x6) SR: 50.00

Maybe the Voges ploy was to try and get through some quick overs, with the threat of rain, but working the ball around without any pace will likely be tough, if this Edgbaston pitch is like others of recent times

13.4

Voges to Morgan, 1 run, Eoin Morgan is the new batsman, works his first ball off the pads for a single straight up

13.5

Voges to Trott, 1 run, length ball on the stumps, pushed down the ground to long-on

13.6

Voges to Morgan, no run, continues over the wicket, length ball on the stumps, closes the face and nudges to midwicket

End of over 14 (2 runs) England 54/3 (RR: 3.85)
EJG Morgan    1* (2b)      AC Voges    1-0-2-1
IJL Trott    27* (38b 2x4)      JR Hazlewood    2-0-6-0

Left-arm something-or-other at both ends, as Clarke brings himself on now

14.1

Clarke to Trott, 1 run, gives this a bit of air, comes forward and steers one in front of point on the drive

14.2

Clarke to Morgan, 2 runs, little ramp shot from Morgan, innovating an angle for himself and scooping a couple over his shoulder

Clarke knocks out Morgan's leg stump ... but he had already pulled away and Dar signals dead ball

14.3

Clarke to Morgan, no run, leg-stump line, pushed back to the bowler

14.4

Clarke to Morgan, 1 run, on the stumps, Morgan tickles one through midwicket

14.5

Clarke to Trott, no run, tossed up, opens the face and steers to point

14.6

Clarke to Trott, no run, watchful stuff from Trott, who dead-bats defensively into the off side

Time for some drinks. We do need 20 overs per side for a game, so that is probably behind Clarke's thinking

End of over 15 (4 runs) England 58/3 (RR: 3.86)
IJL Trott    28* (41b 2x4)      MJ Clarke    1-0-4-0
EJG Morgan    4* (5b)      AC Voges    1-0-2-1

They're not going to be interrupted yet, however - Voges continues

15.1

Voges to Morgan, 1 run, tossed up and dabbed through backward point for a single

7.05pm: Match abandoned, that's it, shake your fist at the skies, we're done. The umpires and the groundsman have, probably quite sensibly, concluded that it there's not snowball's chance of getting the ground fixed up, if and when the rain does eventually stop, and have sent everyone home. Thanks for keeping us company as we mugged our way through the last three-and-a-half hours or so - we'll be back for more rain delays and fantasy cricket from Cardiff on Saturday. B-bye now!

7.04pm: Hello, me again. The umpires (all three of them) have perambulated out to the middle, umbrellas up, rain still falling...

6.40pm: Still it mizzles in the Midlands, the umpires have had a little look but, realistically, they can't start to think about a restart until the rain disappears. Speaking of which, I'm going to buzz off and get me tea ... Gnasher or I will be back with the latest in a bit.

6.30pm: BREAKING NEWS, from Julian Cook: "Hi, I use the paid service on the radar and unfortunately there is some more behind. Sorry folks!" Well, ain't that a stinker. *Looks at watch, thinks about dinner*

"Everyone's busy with British weather and game stuff, no one bothered to mention that one of legend of cricket Mathew Hoggard retired from international cricket," chides Wasiyullah. "Hoggy will be remembered for '05 brilliance but his ability to swing the ball in India should be recalled with equal fondness. Legend!" I think we referred to it earlier, Wasiyullah, but here's the link again. We've even got Alex Winter chatting about Hoggy, if you can understand his west country burr.

And here's Sven Holcombe, with more youthful japes: "Equipment: 1x Signature bat, 1x table tennis ball, 1x bucket, 1x brother. Rules: Bucket in middle of room, both players on knees, bowler bowls by chucking from a hand-on-neck starting position, any-wall-on-the-full is six, wall-on-the-bounce is four, couch-on-the-full is out, bowler bowls from where the ball stops. Result: Hours of fun, game ends when Mum starts yelling"

6.20pm: It's still raining in Edgbaston, confirms George Dobell, with theories ranging from an hour to 90 minutes to get the covers off, should it stop. Then we will need Duckworth-Lewis ... which, going by some of your feedback, I think we'll have to leave with the experts.

"Target would be 146 if England managed 100 in their 20 overs," declares Simon James, confidently.

Yasin is a bit more specific: "If Eng made 100/5 in 20 overs then target is 104, if they loss 3 wickets then its 145. If they lose 4 wkt, then it's 127."

While Darshak Shah comes up with something completely different: "If England manage 100 for 3 in 20 overs then Australia would have target between 115-120 to win..."

6.15pm: Looking at the radar, the majority of the rain appears to have passed Birmingham now. So, if it all clears in the next half an hour or so, we may still squeeze in that T20.

6.10pm: Some marvellous memories from Mike Walton: "The cricket game on a cloth - which I was given back in the forties - was called Balyna (2 'l's maybe? 'i' not 'y'???). The bat was a heavy metal disk hooked on to a pulley system. There were rings round the pitch to indicate the runs scored. Metal ball. Once you'd got the timing right you could get a very high score! If you hit it hard enough, you could even bully a plastic fielder out of the way! (Not like my real life experience at all!!!) I played this game for hours when it was raining outside! Wish I'd still got it today! I was given an "Owzat!" set a only year or two back by my thoughtful young daughter. So it's still around. At school, back in the fifties, we also refined the pencil game, so that it was more realistic. We needed two pencils. This enabled us to have some balls from which no run was scored - and to indicate how exactly a player was dismissed. Not so many sixes, etc. We also had a game we played by allocating values and wickets to all the letters of the alphabet. Including dots. Rare letters used for rare events (eg. hit wkt). We would then open a book at a random page, and play out a match by using the text to activate the scoreboard. If a teacher came in the room, rain stopped play. (It looks as if the whole staff have come in at Edgbaston!!!)"

6pm: Let's just assume it's still raining. "If England finish 100 runs in 20 overs then what will be revised target for Aussie in 20 overs?" asks Sid. The short answer is, I don't know. The long answer is, I don't, er, have the Duckworth-Lewis calculation to hand right now. But I'm sure someone out there could give us a ballpark figure...

"In our school days we used to play 'phone cricket'," declares Srivatsan, with the latest variant on conjuring up cricket matches from any old numbers you can find laying around. "Bowler should write an alphabet from A to F in a notebook and cover it. Then the batsmen is allowed to tell any number between 1 to 6. If the bowler's alphabet matches with batsman's number then batsmen is OUT,for eg A=1,B=2,D=4,F=6. Else if the bowler's alphabet does not match with batsman's number then the number is awarded to batsman., eg A=5, B=6 then 5 and 6 runs are awarded to the batsman. This is played until batsmen gets out and numbers are added to get the highest score. It was fun and my highest was 178." Er, you lost me along the way there. And when does the phone come in?

Here's Jude Burcombe: "My friends and I used to play marble cricket in one of our bedrooms in the 1980s. The bat was half a wooden clothes peg, with favourite bat logo drawn on in pen, held between thumb and forefinger, with a homemade cardboard pad worn on the thumb. The bowler could bowl anything with a small marble, over or under, leg or off breaks. Fielders were other marbles and we used a full score book, playing entire tests on wet afternoons. Great fun."

5.45pm: It's still raining (as far as I know, though I'm in London, not Birmingham. Let's just assume it is. Someone will tweet if it isn't). Here's Anurag: "Whenever Australia seem to win, the rain comes to save England! By the way how much time will it take to clear up? It must take less than an hour if play has to resume (assuming rain stops at 19.30)." I believe the groundsman is saying 40 minutes to get the covers off - once it has stopped - but that isn't quite the same thing as the ground being dry enough to play. Going to be very touch and go, I fear.

"Just when I thought I'd forgot being bowled out for 20, you bring it back up. Thanks." Apologies, Seb, you can blame Gnasher for that. At least you don't have to sit next to him (and he's a Lancs fan).

"I accidentally stepped on a table tennis ball and dented one side without crushing the whole thing," says Christian, taking a deep breath. "So, I placed a piece of carpet on the floor and folded a draughts board in half so it could stand on edge as the wicket. I bowled over-arm and my lopsided table tennis ball produced prodigious swing to dismiss Ian, Greg, Allan, Graham and Kim. The best ball ever pitched outside off, cut in towards the stumps, then swung away to take the edge to Murray. That might have been Sunny out."

5.25pm: No, in fact I won Division One of the Championship on normal. Which, as I'm sure you all know, was actually pretty hard. But anyway, that was weeks years ago... The latest from our man at Edgbaston, George Dobell, is that even ducks wouldn't risk it out in the middle right now.

"Surely someone else must have played car cricket...?" says Nick McGeorge. "A sure fire winner (?!) on long trips... looking at the cars you pass, different colour cars equal runs e.g. silver = 1, black = 2, red = 3, green = 4 and yellow = 6, any foreign vehicle = wicket... Simple and hours of fun..." I think we had someone on here suggesting a similar game a few weeks ago, Nick, though it involved a lot more reckless overtaking.

5.15pm Hope you've enjoyed the chat folks. I've really enjoyed hearing some of your stories. Keep them coming. I'm handing over to Alan who, when playing as Essex in Cricket Captain, didn't get bowled out for 20 like they did in real life this season.

5.10pm This game has to be finished by 10.15pm, so counting backwards (England need to bat 4.5 more overs and Australia have a 20-over chase as minimum) I'd say we need about two more hours of cricket. All speculation on my part, to fill time. Ah, just been tweeted by the Test Match Special crew: need to be starting by 8.30pm to get a game in.

Here's Kris "We played a homemade game (at least I think it was) whereby each player would choose any player they wanted, so you'd have Spofforth, Bradman and Lillee in the same team. It took a while to set up but that was part of the fun. On a sheet of paper you'd draw a small pitch and place your fielders. The batting side would put numbers at random on the paper to indicate runs scored. Ways of being out were also written. The batsman would be named and you'd put the point of a long pencil at the crease and somehow flick from the top. If the direction of the pencil line went in a direct line to a fielder you were caught, same for runs scored and being out other ways. Bit involved but you could play it anywhere and we wasted hours of classroom instruction on it! We kept a scorecard and played two innings."

5.05pm Mark Kidger: "The BBC are suggesting that the rain will stop around 1930, with the cut off time at 2020. This would reduce the match to around 20 overs a side. Not great news for England who have batted 15 overs already." May be too late by then, anyway, given the clearing up time needed

Phil: "@ Daniel Moroney: Test Match Cricket...thank you! Was trying to go back in time to remember what this was called. This was available in England. I remember playing this with my brother in the 80's. Back to back Ashes series are nothing...we had about 3 years worth of West Indies vs. England. Jeffrey Dujon won man of the series as I remember!"

Dave: "Did no one play rubber cricket?? You know, mark all 6 sides of a rubber with 4,6,1,2,3 and OUT and flip it for each batsman. Add up the totals after both innings and the highest score wins! Think my highest score was around 400 once!"

4.55pm Alex: "Midnight here in Perth, should I stay up or go to bed? How likely is there to be any play in the next hour?" In the next hour...not much chance at all.

Howard: "As kids in Jamaica, we used to pick up 11 random bottle caps with numbers stamped on the inside, added them up as the scores of your 11 batsmen and the person with the highest number had the wining team ... repeat as often as you wish."

Bhagyesh: "We used to play cloth cricket .. essentially the pitch was made up of cloth with fielding positions, pitch and 30 yard circle marked on it .. we had a small plastic bat attached to the wicket keeper like a crane and the bowler was a slide on while you put the small silver bullet .. plastic fielder figures .. the cloth (pitch) had to be ironed and there was boundary fence too .. We also had score sheets .. we played test matches on it .. was extreme fun"

4.50pm rohit: "talking about games, how come no one has said anything about book cricket? every school going kid has played it while the teacher is giving lecture" It has just been mentioned by Jebran as well. We at Cricinfo do not condone not concentrating in class, I should add.

Daniel Moroney: "My favourite cricket game that has yet to be mentioned has to be Test Match Cricket. Not sure if this is an Australian only game but it was pure brilliance, The bowler had a little cup that would fit a ball bearing, you pushed his arm to roll it down a chute to the waiting batsman that the other player controlled with a trigger who would try and place the ball bearing in between the 9 plastic fielder figurines to avoid being caught. Ohhhh the happy childhood memories are flooding back!"

Gocfe: "Didn't have the hexagonal dice for the score but used a hexagonal pencil instead. It used to drive our teacher at school insane all us kids rolling pencils across our desks instead of copying notes from the board...." Wasn't much school work getting done by the sounds of it

Keith Johnson: "I can't believe that no-one has mentioned Subbuteo cricket. A proper game!"

4.40pm Dan: "In the early 80's in Australia I had a dice cricket game called Max Walker's cricket. Eventually as the teams it supplied became outdated I used to make up my own, give them ratings and play the greatest Australian teams against each other. This is what we were forced into before cricinfo." Don't let us stop you.

Stephen Jepson: "My cricket game of choice was Owzat! (Note the exclamation). Two hexagonal dice, one with 1,2,3,4,6 & Owzat! the other with Bowled, Caught, Run Out, LBW, No Ball & Not Out on. Add a junior score book and you have one nerdy existence." Think I owned that game, too...

StoneRose: "Remember the cheesy advert featuring the ex-England captain: "MIKE ATHERTON'S WORLD CUP CRICKET...EVEN BETTER THAN T'REAL THING!"" Well, Atherton's World Cup record as captain wasn't great

4.35pm Phil Hayler: "This is all too modern for me - i still believe Flippin' Cricket to be the greatest cricket game made. It was essentially tiddliwinks on a mat with big areas for scoring singles or you could risk aiming for 4s and 6s which were nearer the wicket lost areas. I think it was discontinued in the 60s!"

Waqas Ahmed: "As everyone talking about games. Anyone like International Cricket Captain? I could not found in Pakistan except me :)" Yep, all of us on the desk have played that too!

Stuart: "Super International Cricket is still the best ever on SNES. You could appeal for anything...and sometimes it would be given. Or International Cricket Captain on the PC. All the fun of cricket without the controls..."

Nick Gerovasilis: "EA Cricket 2002 had a particularly unfortunate glitch where the ball would go past the stumps before taking a U-turn and bowling you. Suffices to say you wouldn't be happy when you saw the side-on replay."

Weather update It's very wet, and will be for some time to come.

4.25pm Mark P: "Who needs video games? Surely just video them playing a game of HOWZAT? All that dice rolling excitement..." Another classic.

Allan: "There was one (i think maybe an EA game) where the field for a test match was set with nobody in the outfield until the batter reached 30 odd. So you played yourself in for a couple of overs and the slogged everything after that. Clearly the game's developer was a fan of Virender Sehwag."

Kieran : "Wasn't that game the one where Craig White would regularly whip it down at 100+mph?" Surely that was just real life!

faisal: "I played in a Brian Lara 97 PS1 tournament in Pakistan. Epic game! They rigged it up to a projector so huge screen. Just about to win the final but the electricity went off:("

Back to real cricket for a moment: Ed Bowden: "Why do England bother with ODIs? They never have been and never will be a decent one day side. Blame it on English conditions, the prevalence of test cricket or the county system, but we just never score enough runs to be regularly competitive." Never a decent one-day side? Didn't they reach a global final a few months ago. Were No. 1 not so long ago. Fantastic home record over last few years, plus series wins in UAE, SA, NZ to name a few. Not too shabby, really.

4.15pm Nick Travers: "Wasn't that the game where to had to press a button to NOT run? Pretty sure England would defend this score pretty comfortably on that game." Can't quite remember that, but I do remember it took me a while to work out how not to be bowled by any straight delivery.

shailesh: "Cricket97 was epic..all manual controls"

Hasan Aziz: "Re: Brian Lara Cricket mine had a glitch too, didn't they all? One particular annoying one was... "Waqar younis steaming in... great shot, and Four, and out "" That sounds like some of the commentary you here on TV!

"I always liked being Sri Lanka," says Alan sat next to be as he reminisces of his Brian Lara Cricket moments, "but got all the wickets as Upul Chandana and not Murali."

Sha: "Speaking of Cricket games, there's a hidden pearl on the SNES called "Super International Cricket"... basic but the mechanics and techniques look better than the loopy six-a-thons created on 3D Game engines."

Matt: "Still play Brian Lara at our club when have a rain delay. Played at weekend - didn't help when we were all out for 69."

4.05pm Faisal: "Why don't the two teams decide the run affected match by playing Brian Lara 1999 on the Playstation and showing it on the big screen and on tv? It seems a fair way to decide the match." Ah, good memories of Brian Lara Cricket. What a game that was. Wasted many hours of my youth. Think my version had a glitch, though, where you would hit the ball into the air and it would get stuck...think I ran a 25 once!

3.50pm It's Gnasher back with you while the rain falls (well, hopefully when it stops, too, but that doesn't look likely soon). It's a bit of a miserable scene, as the English international season dribbles to a conclusion but there has been plenty of action in the County Championship today.

Mahesh: "Not sure - Alan Gardner if you are from England, sorry to say the weather in England is horrendous and not suitable for cricket at all.. Not sure if this would get posted, fingers crossed... :)" Well, Alan is taking a break. I'd suggest that is somewhat of an over-reaction. It's been a good summer in the UK. September is autumn. It will sometimes rain. Birmingham unlucky to get it again.

3.45pm The covers are firmly on, people huddling under umbrellas or heading off to the pasty stands. Nothing to see here (at least not for a little while).

3.35pm Ugh, not for the first time, I've served myself size 11 pie for dinner. The rain has turned authentic, fat little droplets falling and the players are going off, the umpires having had enough. The rain radar isn't all that encouraging, I'm sorry to say, ladies and gentlemen.

Anyway, while you work yourselves into an impotent fury about the English summer before realising that there are more important things in life, like reading good books and getting the washing up done wait for further updates, here's something to distract you: our espn.co.uk cousins have a competition for you to win one of David Gower's autobiographies and a Slazenger bat, both of which have been signed by the eloquent champion. Enter here.

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