West Indies v Australia, 2012 April 27, 2012

Australia's persistence the difference

In an extremely slow-scoring series, Australia's all-round strength and fighting ability proved crucial to the series outcome
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Given the extent to which Australia have dominated West Indies in recent years, the three Tests turned out to be more closely fought than expected. West Indies tried hard but were never quite able to sustain their intensity long enough in any of the matches. Both teams struggled to raise the tempo on pitches that provided assistance to spinners and it was only Michael Clarke's enterprising declaration that provided a chance of a result in the first Test in Barbados. West Indies, who had shown some form in the ODI series, were unable to match up to it in the Tests and ended up losing their sixth consecutive series against Australia. In Barbados, which was once their stronghold (no defeat for 59 years), they have now failed to win a single Test against top-Test teams for almost seven years. Meanwhile, Australia, who were not quite at their dominant best, won their third series since the Ashes defeat in early 2011. In the same period, they have compiled an excellent 9-2 win-loss record including series wins against Sri Lanka and India.

Australia were the team who ended West Indies' extraordinary run of 22 straight years without a home series defeat when they won 2-1 in 1995. Since then, they have completely turned the tables on West Indies and won seven out of eight series. The only series West Indies avoided defeat in was the 1999 home series when Brian Lara's batting exploits ensured a 2-2 draw. Since 2000, Australia have won 17 Tests against West Indies, the most they have against any opposition team in the same period. While their overall numbers against West Indies (win-loss ratio 1.65) are very good, it is their recent record that tilts the balance in their favour. In the period between 1970-1999, West Indies had a 25-20 record but that has fallen away sharply to 1-17 since 2000 with their solitary win coming in Antigua in 2003 when they chased down a record 418.

Australia's Test record against West Indies
Period Wins Losses Draws W/L ratio
Overall 1930-present 54 32 24 1.67
In Australia 1970-1999 12 14 6 0.85
In Australia 2000-present 10 0 1 -
In West Indies 1970-1999 8 11 9 0.72
In West Indies 2000-present 7 1 2 7.00

The teams have played six series since the start of 2000 and Australia have emerged victorious in all of them. Between 2000 and 2005, Australia boasted a top-class team and West Indies hardly stood a chance. In the drubbing in Australia in 2000 when they lost 5-0, Australia averaged 40.53 with the bat while the corresponding number for West Indies was just 20.05. In the 2003 series in West Indies, not only was Australia's average high (56.66), their run-rate through the series was almost close to four runs per over. In contrast, West Indies were way behind and the average difference (difference between Australia's batting average and West Indies' batting average) was 22.89. The average and run-rate difference (difference in run-rates of Australia and West Indies) were even higher in the 2005 series in Australia. However, since the retirement of their top players, Australia were not quite able to dominate West Indies similarly. Although they won 2-0 in both 2008 and 2009, the average difference and run-rate difference were greatly reduced. In the 2012 series, Australia's batting was highly inconsistent and they averaged under 40 against West Indies for the first time since 2000. West Indies, however, did even poorer averaging just 27.82. Another stand-out aspect of the series is the run-rates of both teams. For the first time, both teams scored at lower than three runs per over and the series was the slowest-scoring one between the teams since 1990.

Stats for the teams in series since 2000
Series (Host) Matches Series result Australia (bat avg) West Indies (bat avg) Avg diff Australia (RR) West Indies (RR) RR diff
2000-01 (Australia) 5 5-0 (Australia) 40.53 20.05 20.48 3.28 2.70 0.58
2003 (West Indies) 4 3-1 (Australia) 56.66 33.77 22.89 3.94 3.23 0.71
2005-06 (Australia) 3 3-0 (Australia) 50.33 23.85 26.48 3.70 2.85 0.85
2008 (West Indies) 3 2-0 (Australia) 41.89 31.34 10.55 3.38 3.20 0.18
2009-10 (Australia) 3 2-0 (Australia) 45.02 30.30 14.72 3.43 3.53 -0.10
2012 (West Indies) 3 2-0 (Australia) 30.66 27.82 2.45 2.81 2.73 0.08

In a series where batsmen struggled to counter the bowling on slow pitches, batsmen from both sides were unable to capitalise on starts. Except for Shivnarine Chanderpaul, who had scores of 103, 94, 68 and 69 in the three Tests, no other batsman was able to display any consistency. The top-three batsmen for Australia averaged under 30 and managed four half-centuries but could not carry on to post a single century. West Indies' top three were very ordinary with Kraigg Brathwaite in particular having a woeful run (three consecutive ducks). Brathwaite and Adrian Barath were often in trouble at the start, especially against Ben Hilfenhaus who dismissed them three times each.The openers managed just two fifties and had a strike rate below 40. West Indies' middle-order (4-7) batsmen did much better than their Australia counterparts primarily because of the remarkable efforts of Chanderpaul, who became the tenth batsman to reach the 10000-run mark. West Indies' middle-order batsmen finished with a better average and a higher number of fifty-plus scores. Australia's lower-order batsmen averaged higher than those of West Indies, and demonstrated grit and patience in all three matches to frustrate the hosts' bowlers.

Batting stats for the two teams in the series
Batting position Australia (Runs/avg) Australia (100/50, SR) West Indies (Runs/avg) West Indies (100/50, SR)
1-3 516/28.66 0/4, 43.54 315/18.52 0/2, 39.22
4-7 751/32.65 1/3, 43.56 730/38.42 1/5, 40.78
8-11 293/22.53 0/1, 45.56 294/19.60 0/1, 55.05

The series turned out to be one of the lowest scoring ones in the West Indies in recent years. It was no surprise then, that the teams found it extremely hard to stitch together useful partnerships consistently. Although Australia's opening pair averaged under 30 (two fifty stands), West Indies did not even manage to aggregate fifty runs in the six innings. Their partnership average of 7.83 is the second-lowest for a West Indies opening pair (minimum six partnerships in a series) since 1990. West Indies did slightly better than Australia for the second wicket, sharing a century and fifty partnership while Australia managed only two fifty stands. Australia did better for the third wicket but were well behind West Indies on the fourth and fifth-wicket partnership stats. Chanderpaul, who gave West Indies some hope in all matches, was crucial to their middle-order success. Matthew Wade, Australia's only century scorer, featured in a couple of vital stands in the lower order and this was a major reason why their lower-order partnership average was better than the hosts'.

Partnership stats for the two teams in the series (runs/average, 100/50 stands)
Partnership wicket Australia (Runs/avg) Australia (100/50 stands) West Indies (Runs/avg) West Indies (100/50 stands)
1 178/29.66 0/2 47/7.83 0/0
2 193/32.16 0/2 227/37.83 1/1
3 196/32.66 0/1 106/21.20 0/0
4 267/44.50 0/2 270/54.00 1/2
5 122/20.33 0/1 254/50.80 1/1
6 183/30.50 0/1 54/10.80 0/0
7 135/22.50 0/1 133/26.60 0/1
8-11 382/31.83 1/2 328/23.42 0/1

For years, spinners had found it almost impossible to have an impact in West Indies as most venues were extremely conducive to pace bowling. However, in recent years, that has changed drastically. When Pakistan toured West Indies after the World Cup last year, Saeed Ajmal performed superbly. In this series as well, not only did Nathan Lyon and Shane Shillingford trouble the batsmen, even Clarke was able to extract sufficient turn and bounce in the final Test in Dominica. Clarke picked up only his second five-wicket haul in Tests to give Australia a 75-run win in a match where 26 wickets fell to spinners (average 21.73). In contrast, pace bowlers managed only 12 wickets at an average of 41.00. Barbados, however, continued to favour pace, as fast bowlers picked up 25 wickets at 29.00 while spinners managed only eight wickets while averaging 52.75. In Trinidad, where Kemar Roach picked up a ten-wicket match haul, pace bowlers were slightly more successful than spinners. Overall, in the series, the fast bowlers picked up more wickets (54) than spinners (47) but had a slightly higher average (30.16) than the slow bowlers (28.21).

Pace and spin stats in the series
Pace (wickets/avg) Pace (5WI/10WM) Spin (wickets/avg) Spin (5WI/10WM)
Barbados 25/29.00 0/0 8/52.75 0/0
Trinidad 17/24.23 2/1 13/26.07 1/0
Dominica 12/41.00 0/0 26/21.73 2/1
Overall 54/30.16 2/1 47/28.21 3/1

Madhusudhan Ramakrishnan is a sub-editor (stats) at ESPNcricinfo

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  • POSTED BY on | April 30, 2012, 22:43 GMT

    As an Aussie, I think some of my fellow supporters on this site needs to be more realistic. Let's face it, the results under Clarke have been generally good, but have been based on: (a) patchy batting at the right time to win, and (b), some excellent bowling across a range of injury-prone bowlers. Clarke's captaincy and batting has been great, Harris, Hilfenhaus, Siddle, Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are an excellent squad, Wade looks the goods, and Lyon is still a work in progress. The top order batting has been very below par, and we will be destroyed by quality bowling from SA and Eng. Warner needs to actually play a great innings more frequently than one-in-15, Cowan needs to stop talking and score runs, and Watson needs to get past 40-50 every innings and not run out his partners. There is a strong basis for optimism and we will bowl out the top sides, however, we won't beat the best teams with this top order and an ageing middle order. New batting blood needed urgently.

  • POSTED BY mikey76 on | April 30, 2012, 19:21 GMT

    AussieDurban, if were talking current form then the ashes reside in England at the moment, and have done so for a few years now. Most ashes runs and wickets is not exactly relevant to the current situation. Just a few corrections, Pakistan are far from lowly and gave your guys a good hiding in England not so long ago. KP and Trott are south african just as Khawaja is pakistani. The others were just born there. David Gower was born in Africa, Colin Cowdrey was born in India, but they grew up and were educated in england just like Prior and Strauss. If you want to go into irrevelent history then Clarrie Grimmet was a kiwi, Kepler Wessels played for australia in the 80's and the likes of Symonds and Nannes have played for Aus whilst not being exactly 100% australian. But you dont see English people banging on about it. Pure jealousy on your part. And I dont think SA are going to win this summer either. But we'll see.

  • POSTED BY AussieDurban on | April 30, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    @Mikey76: RandyOz was referring to current form. He mentions "at the moment". SO based on current form, England are way down. I mean for a number 1 side to lose 3-0 to lowly Pakistan and then only manage a draw against Sri Lanka (who Australia beat there recently) doesnt bode well. I can assure you that South Africa will whip you boys in the upcoming test series and take the Number 1 ranking. At least we can say that the Australian team actually consists of Australians not South Africans; Pietersen, Trott, Strauss, Prior and the Irishman Morgan. That's almost half of your team who are not even English! SO much for national pride!!! When it comes to Ashes records, Australia lead Ashes wins with 31, most Ashes runs (Bradman), most Ashes wickets (Warne). Uhm do you see a trend there? The Poms are a joke. how many World Cup wins? Oh yeah, not one!!

  • POSTED BY mikey76 on | April 30, 2012, 16:00 GMT

    ah good old Randy, always good for a laugh. I dont think were really getting a sinking feeling about you guys. You have a batting line up so reliant on Hussey and Clarke with nobody credible coming through. Bowlers who spend more time on the physio's couch than out on the park and a workaday average spinner who would have spent his career cleaning Shane's boots had he been around ten years ago. And 30 odd years?? Well we won the 81 series, the 85 series and the 86/87 series so you need to re-adjust your maths old boy. And as far as dominating goes, erm losing to NZ at home doesn't really bare that fact out. I would be interested to hear your response for once.

  • POSTED BY on | April 30, 2012, 13:18 GMT

    I think the pitches made the matches very interesting as it neutralised most batsmen with the notable exception of Chanderpaul. Wade Played the truly outstanding innings of the series when he scored a really good century. Lyon may not be a great spinner, but he does have the courage to toss the ball up unlike Harbhajan who has become a defensive bowler and just lost his place to younger challengers. The difference was the fact that Australia did not give up even when they were way behind in the first test. The difference is one side did not know how to win while the other thought that it could win from anywhere and did win. I think Australia will do better this time in India than it has done in the past and I think the fast bowlers if they are fit can rock the Indians even on our placid surfaces. Of course they have to take a view on Cowan and Ponting . But Clarke"s leadership has been key to the turnaround of the Australlian team . Ramanujam Sridhar

  • POSTED BY dinosaurus on | April 30, 2012, 11:00 GMT

    @ Christopher Sunderland. Clarke's best figures were against India in India, They were pretty good figures too; 6 wickets for 9 runs. So if Lyon is only as good as Clarke has been, India better look out!

  • POSTED BY on | April 30, 2012, 9:33 GMT

    Guys, everybody's views and opinions are different. If it is taken too seriously it is just not cricket! Lyon is so far doing well but can he sustain that for 15 years? He'll be 39 by then and retired, maybe gone past Shane Warne's record of 708 wickets. Ajmal is either a good spinner or just an English basher. His average against Zim is above 30 and his record against Aus is 1 match, 2 wickets, average more than 100 and a strike rate of more than 200. Would like to see him play a few more matches against top sides. Although his record only stands out against WI and Eng.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 30, 2012, 5:44 GMT

    @Chris Sun - mate sometimes your wording can really present an arguement different to what I think you are trying to say! Anyways the fact is regarding Lyon are 1) he has barely played 20 FC matches, over half of them are tests, 2) he has world class stats atm, 3) compares favourably with a benchmark spinner (Swann) 4) Is so young in spinning terms, he would appear to have plenty more upside left in him. So whilst Lyon has played on several decks now that have been favourable to spinners he has also played on several piches NOT likely to see spin be a major factor (Hobart, Newlands & Gabba). For the time being Hauritz (as nice a bloke that he is) is yesterday's news. I would say several young spinners have overtaken him in the pecking order.

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | April 30, 2012, 3:34 GMT

    @popcorn - spot on mate. Australia is dominating World Cricket at the moment. The poms I know are getting seriously worried about how good we are looking. That sinking feeling they have had for the past 30 odd years must be coming back!

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | April 30, 2012, 3:07 GMT

    @Christopher Sunderland. You can only assess players on what they have produced to date as well as the potential. What Lyon has done to date has probably exceeded most Aussies expectations & good luck to him. His thoughtful bowling, line & length would suggest that he will acquit himelf well on any pitch served up to him. He definitely has his head screwed on right. The doomsayers would have banished Warne off when he was sitting on 1/251 after 3 tests, yet his potential was always there. He didn't end up with am ordinary career I would suggest. (And no way am I suggesting Lyon is another Warne!) I really think you underestimate Ajmal a lot! @Meety, excellent point re: WI issues with player retention, you just about nailed the main problem & potential solution.

  • POSTED BY on | April 30, 2012, 22:43 GMT

    As an Aussie, I think some of my fellow supporters on this site needs to be more realistic. Let's face it, the results under Clarke have been generally good, but have been based on: (a) patchy batting at the right time to win, and (b), some excellent bowling across a range of injury-prone bowlers. Clarke's captaincy and batting has been great, Harris, Hilfenhaus, Siddle, Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are an excellent squad, Wade looks the goods, and Lyon is still a work in progress. The top order batting has been very below par, and we will be destroyed by quality bowling from SA and Eng. Warner needs to actually play a great innings more frequently than one-in-15, Cowan needs to stop talking and score runs, and Watson needs to get past 40-50 every innings and not run out his partners. There is a strong basis for optimism and we will bowl out the top sides, however, we won't beat the best teams with this top order and an ageing middle order. New batting blood needed urgently.

  • POSTED BY mikey76 on | April 30, 2012, 19:21 GMT

    AussieDurban, if were talking current form then the ashes reside in England at the moment, and have done so for a few years now. Most ashes runs and wickets is not exactly relevant to the current situation. Just a few corrections, Pakistan are far from lowly and gave your guys a good hiding in England not so long ago. KP and Trott are south african just as Khawaja is pakistani. The others were just born there. David Gower was born in Africa, Colin Cowdrey was born in India, but they grew up and were educated in england just like Prior and Strauss. If you want to go into irrevelent history then Clarrie Grimmet was a kiwi, Kepler Wessels played for australia in the 80's and the likes of Symonds and Nannes have played for Aus whilst not being exactly 100% australian. But you dont see English people banging on about it. Pure jealousy on your part. And I dont think SA are going to win this summer either. But we'll see.

  • POSTED BY AussieDurban on | April 30, 2012, 17:37 GMT

    @Mikey76: RandyOz was referring to current form. He mentions "at the moment". SO based on current form, England are way down. I mean for a number 1 side to lose 3-0 to lowly Pakistan and then only manage a draw against Sri Lanka (who Australia beat there recently) doesnt bode well. I can assure you that South Africa will whip you boys in the upcoming test series and take the Number 1 ranking. At least we can say that the Australian team actually consists of Australians not South Africans; Pietersen, Trott, Strauss, Prior and the Irishman Morgan. That's almost half of your team who are not even English! SO much for national pride!!! When it comes to Ashes records, Australia lead Ashes wins with 31, most Ashes runs (Bradman), most Ashes wickets (Warne). Uhm do you see a trend there? The Poms are a joke. how many World Cup wins? Oh yeah, not one!!

  • POSTED BY mikey76 on | April 30, 2012, 16:00 GMT

    ah good old Randy, always good for a laugh. I dont think were really getting a sinking feeling about you guys. You have a batting line up so reliant on Hussey and Clarke with nobody credible coming through. Bowlers who spend more time on the physio's couch than out on the park and a workaday average spinner who would have spent his career cleaning Shane's boots had he been around ten years ago. And 30 odd years?? Well we won the 81 series, the 85 series and the 86/87 series so you need to re-adjust your maths old boy. And as far as dominating goes, erm losing to NZ at home doesn't really bare that fact out. I would be interested to hear your response for once.

  • POSTED BY on | April 30, 2012, 13:18 GMT

    I think the pitches made the matches very interesting as it neutralised most batsmen with the notable exception of Chanderpaul. Wade Played the truly outstanding innings of the series when he scored a really good century. Lyon may not be a great spinner, but he does have the courage to toss the ball up unlike Harbhajan who has become a defensive bowler and just lost his place to younger challengers. The difference was the fact that Australia did not give up even when they were way behind in the first test. The difference is one side did not know how to win while the other thought that it could win from anywhere and did win. I think Australia will do better this time in India than it has done in the past and I think the fast bowlers if they are fit can rock the Indians even on our placid surfaces. Of course they have to take a view on Cowan and Ponting . But Clarke"s leadership has been key to the turnaround of the Australlian team . Ramanujam Sridhar

  • POSTED BY dinosaurus on | April 30, 2012, 11:00 GMT

    @ Christopher Sunderland. Clarke's best figures were against India in India, They were pretty good figures too; 6 wickets for 9 runs. So if Lyon is only as good as Clarke has been, India better look out!

  • POSTED BY on | April 30, 2012, 9:33 GMT

    Guys, everybody's views and opinions are different. If it is taken too seriously it is just not cricket! Lyon is so far doing well but can he sustain that for 15 years? He'll be 39 by then and retired, maybe gone past Shane Warne's record of 708 wickets. Ajmal is either a good spinner or just an English basher. His average against Zim is above 30 and his record against Aus is 1 match, 2 wickets, average more than 100 and a strike rate of more than 200. Would like to see him play a few more matches against top sides. Although his record only stands out against WI and Eng.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 30, 2012, 5:44 GMT

    @Chris Sun - mate sometimes your wording can really present an arguement different to what I think you are trying to say! Anyways the fact is regarding Lyon are 1) he has barely played 20 FC matches, over half of them are tests, 2) he has world class stats atm, 3) compares favourably with a benchmark spinner (Swann) 4) Is so young in spinning terms, he would appear to have plenty more upside left in him. So whilst Lyon has played on several decks now that have been favourable to spinners he has also played on several piches NOT likely to see spin be a major factor (Hobart, Newlands & Gabba). For the time being Hauritz (as nice a bloke that he is) is yesterday's news. I would say several young spinners have overtaken him in the pecking order.

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | April 30, 2012, 3:34 GMT

    @popcorn - spot on mate. Australia is dominating World Cricket at the moment. The poms I know are getting seriously worried about how good we are looking. That sinking feeling they have had for the past 30 odd years must be coming back!

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | April 30, 2012, 3:07 GMT

    @Christopher Sunderland. You can only assess players on what they have produced to date as well as the potential. What Lyon has done to date has probably exceeded most Aussies expectations & good luck to him. His thoughtful bowling, line & length would suggest that he will acquit himelf well on any pitch served up to him. He definitely has his head screwed on right. The doomsayers would have banished Warne off when he was sitting on 1/251 after 3 tests, yet his potential was always there. He didn't end up with am ordinary career I would suggest. (And no way am I suggesting Lyon is another Warne!) I really think you underestimate Ajmal a lot! @Meety, excellent point re: WI issues with player retention, you just about nailed the main problem & potential solution.

  • POSTED BY on | April 30, 2012, 0:31 GMT

    @Sriraj G.S. FYI: I'm not an Indian supporter and I didn't mention anything about India preparing pitches which are raging turners or dead pitches specifically in India or specifically for Lyon. To be honest with you, India are a very hapless team. Lyon is so far a good spinner but it is early days and only time will tell whether he continues playing in the Australian team. He's yet to play in Eng, Zim, Pak, Ind, Ban and NZ conditions, plus he is yet to play against SL, SA, ENG, WI, ZIM, BAN, PAK at home. Once his career stretches past 25 tests, I'll would have a good idea of how good he is. It is funny that you think I am a Indian supporter when I actually follow all teams around the world, except for the minnows. Hauritz was supposed to be Australia's permanent spinner before he got the chop. I might send mixed views based on the topic, but that comes down to what the journalists write.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 29, 2012, 23:40 GMT

    @ V Khanvilkar - I don't think "strict" action will achieve much. The reality is the WICB is one of the poorest of the Test cricket world, talent gets drained towards American por-sports. The IPL if managed correctly I think can improve the talent pool of the WIndies team. They need to work around the IPL a bit better. It's an easy choice for an Ozzy or a Pommy to "choose" country over the IPL as the money differential is nowhere near as great as it is for a WIndies contracted player. Sammy is statistically superior to Zaheer & Sharma. None of the players you mentioned would of been shoe-ins for the test side. Gayle, - yes, the others, don't think so, I think DJ Bravo has underperformed for a while now & atm Deonarine's future looks brighter.

  • POSTED BY on | April 29, 2012, 22:08 GMT

    @Chris Sun: I don't understand these Indians' logic. If we beat you on a spinning track in Adelaide or even on a flat track in Sydney despite the vocal crowd support in India's favour, you call it home track bullying. You say you will prepare raging turners when Australia visit forgetting the fact that Lyon and Clarke spun you out on even a mild turner! Do you even have good enough spinners for turning conditions? And if Lyon gets wickets in turning conditions, you say you will give him dead lifeless tracks. As if that's going to create a result in your favour. And FYI he handled both SA and SL at their home with good results. He even picked up wickets in green tracks against NZ! It might help if you take a neutral view.

  • POSTED BY on | April 29, 2012, 18:17 GMT

    WICB should take strict action against players who value IPL more than their National team. I think such players should be permanently debarred from entering in West Indies. In a test series against a tough team like Australia , why the hell players like

    Dwayne Bravo , Andre Russell , Marlon Samuels playing in the IPL?? and how could WICB allowed it?? When Aus was 250/7 in the 1st Test what WI required was a third Fast Bowler and that should have been Andre Russell or an Intelligent bowler like dwayne bravo. I think one of the biggest drawbacks of WI is that they are playing only 3 frontline bowlers ,Darren Sammy cannot be your frontline bowler not atleast in test cricket.

  • POSTED BY popcorn on | April 29, 2012, 14:09 GMT

    What separate the Men from the Boys is AWAY WINS.Australia dominated World Cricket by winning 16 Tests on the Trot - TWICE - both Home and Away.The current Australian Side under Michael Clarke is showing positive signs of getting there. Test Wins in Sri Lanka, South Africa and West Indies.Their next big challenges will be against India IN India - and lookig at the way Michael Clarke goes about his Leadership,Batting,Fielding and Bowling,well -supported by the rest of the Team, I won't be surprised if he shocks the cocky Indians by a Series Win IN India in 2013. The Indians don't seemn to have introspected after their THRASHING by England and Australia AWAY. And then the biggest challenge of them all - The Ashes IN England in 2013.

  • POSTED BY on | April 29, 2012, 12:03 GMT

    Wi always fights well at home. Even when Australia defaeated them 3-1 at home,under lara, Wi fought hard in at least one of the innings in each match and chased down 400+ to win the kast test. Chanderpaul is already almost 38 and we on't know how long he will continue. I still submit that Wi shoul rest him for one full series. maybe that will force the team to stop depending on him with the bat !!!!!

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 29, 2012, 9:42 GMT

    @Chris Sun "...Even Ajmal got wickets here last year..." - mate he is currently the best spinner in the world! LOL!!

  • POSTED BY on | April 29, 2012, 9:20 GMT

    @Chris_P. Lyon is certainly doing well but I'm not sure how well can he handle the top teams in unfavourable or unfamiliar bowling conditions? By that I mean dead pitches with no life or spin. That's when a lot of spinners that Australia have tried got dropped. Only Warne and Murali could bowl well on those pitches. We can only wait and see until he's played every opposition in all conditions. Would be interesting to see how he handles SA and SL at home. Finally Australia have found stability in the spin bowling department. They thought that was true with Hauritz until he was unceremoniously dropped.

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | April 29, 2012, 7:48 GMT

    @Chris Sun. Have you got any idea about cricket or not? Lyon played due ot the fact pitches did take spin. Was he selected for Perth? He holds up an end and exerts much pressure on the batsmen, even upon your beloved Indian team in Adelaide, in coditions most close to Indian. True crickety enthusiasts look for positives and applaud skilful play. Try that for a change rather than seek negatives.

  • POSTED BY on | April 29, 2012, 6:31 GMT

    If you look at the ICC rankings Aus are 3rd with a rating of 112 whilst WI are equal 2nd last with NZ on 85. But WI certainly put up a fight. Nathan Lyon got wickets because the pitches were conducive to spinners, which even allowed part timers of Deonarine, Warner and Clarke to get wickets. On batsmen's paradises, Lyon would struggle as it happened in the 1st test. So Lyon in some ways has been lucky to get wickets courtesy of the pitch conditions. Even Ajmal got wickets here last year. So it is the pitch conditions that's making him get wickets. Wait until he tours India, he would struggle. So to compare Lyon with Ajmal and Swann is like comparing Clarke with Ajmal and Swann. Maybe Australia should make every pitch like the SCG and then he would get wickets all the time. To me I think Australia just managed to scrape through. Now for the SA series this summer.

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  • POSTED BY on | April 29, 2012, 6:31 GMT

    If you look at the ICC rankings Aus are 3rd with a rating of 112 whilst WI are equal 2nd last with NZ on 85. But WI certainly put up a fight. Nathan Lyon got wickets because the pitches were conducive to spinners, which even allowed part timers of Deonarine, Warner and Clarke to get wickets. On batsmen's paradises, Lyon would struggle as it happened in the 1st test. So Lyon in some ways has been lucky to get wickets courtesy of the pitch conditions. Even Ajmal got wickets here last year. So it is the pitch conditions that's making him get wickets. Wait until he tours India, he would struggle. So to compare Lyon with Ajmal and Swann is like comparing Clarke with Ajmal and Swann. Maybe Australia should make every pitch like the SCG and then he would get wickets all the time. To me I think Australia just managed to scrape through. Now for the SA series this summer.

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | April 29, 2012, 7:48 GMT

    @Chris Sun. Have you got any idea about cricket or not? Lyon played due ot the fact pitches did take spin. Was he selected for Perth? He holds up an end and exerts much pressure on the batsmen, even upon your beloved Indian team in Adelaide, in coditions most close to Indian. True crickety enthusiasts look for positives and applaud skilful play. Try that for a change rather than seek negatives.

  • POSTED BY on | April 29, 2012, 9:20 GMT

    @Chris_P. Lyon is certainly doing well but I'm not sure how well can he handle the top teams in unfavourable or unfamiliar bowling conditions? By that I mean dead pitches with no life or spin. That's when a lot of spinners that Australia have tried got dropped. Only Warne and Murali could bowl well on those pitches. We can only wait and see until he's played every opposition in all conditions. Would be interesting to see how he handles SA and SL at home. Finally Australia have found stability in the spin bowling department. They thought that was true with Hauritz until he was unceremoniously dropped.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 29, 2012, 9:42 GMT

    @Chris Sun "...Even Ajmal got wickets here last year..." - mate he is currently the best spinner in the world! LOL!!

  • POSTED BY on | April 29, 2012, 12:03 GMT

    Wi always fights well at home. Even when Australia defaeated them 3-1 at home,under lara, Wi fought hard in at least one of the innings in each match and chased down 400+ to win the kast test. Chanderpaul is already almost 38 and we on't know how long he will continue. I still submit that Wi shoul rest him for one full series. maybe that will force the team to stop depending on him with the bat !!!!!

  • POSTED BY popcorn on | April 29, 2012, 14:09 GMT

    What separate the Men from the Boys is AWAY WINS.Australia dominated World Cricket by winning 16 Tests on the Trot - TWICE - both Home and Away.The current Australian Side under Michael Clarke is showing positive signs of getting there. Test Wins in Sri Lanka, South Africa and West Indies.Their next big challenges will be against India IN India - and lookig at the way Michael Clarke goes about his Leadership,Batting,Fielding and Bowling,well -supported by the rest of the Team, I won't be surprised if he shocks the cocky Indians by a Series Win IN India in 2013. The Indians don't seemn to have introspected after their THRASHING by England and Australia AWAY. And then the biggest challenge of them all - The Ashes IN England in 2013.

  • POSTED BY on | April 29, 2012, 18:17 GMT

    WICB should take strict action against players who value IPL more than their National team. I think such players should be permanently debarred from entering in West Indies. In a test series against a tough team like Australia , why the hell players like

    Dwayne Bravo , Andre Russell , Marlon Samuels playing in the IPL?? and how could WICB allowed it?? When Aus was 250/7 in the 1st Test what WI required was a third Fast Bowler and that should have been Andre Russell or an Intelligent bowler like dwayne bravo. I think one of the biggest drawbacks of WI is that they are playing only 3 frontline bowlers ,Darren Sammy cannot be your frontline bowler not atleast in test cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | April 29, 2012, 22:08 GMT

    @Chris Sun: I don't understand these Indians' logic. If we beat you on a spinning track in Adelaide or even on a flat track in Sydney despite the vocal crowd support in India's favour, you call it home track bullying. You say you will prepare raging turners when Australia visit forgetting the fact that Lyon and Clarke spun you out on even a mild turner! Do you even have good enough spinners for turning conditions? And if Lyon gets wickets in turning conditions, you say you will give him dead lifeless tracks. As if that's going to create a result in your favour. And FYI he handled both SA and SL at their home with good results. He even picked up wickets in green tracks against NZ! It might help if you take a neutral view.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 29, 2012, 23:40 GMT

    @ V Khanvilkar - I don't think "strict" action will achieve much. The reality is the WICB is one of the poorest of the Test cricket world, talent gets drained towards American por-sports. The IPL if managed correctly I think can improve the talent pool of the WIndies team. They need to work around the IPL a bit better. It's an easy choice for an Ozzy or a Pommy to "choose" country over the IPL as the money differential is nowhere near as great as it is for a WIndies contracted player. Sammy is statistically superior to Zaheer & Sharma. None of the players you mentioned would of been shoe-ins for the test side. Gayle, - yes, the others, don't think so, I think DJ Bravo has underperformed for a while now & atm Deonarine's future looks brighter.

  • POSTED BY on | April 30, 2012, 0:31 GMT

    @Sriraj G.S. FYI: I'm not an Indian supporter and I didn't mention anything about India preparing pitches which are raging turners or dead pitches specifically in India or specifically for Lyon. To be honest with you, India are a very hapless team. Lyon is so far a good spinner but it is early days and only time will tell whether he continues playing in the Australian team. He's yet to play in Eng, Zim, Pak, Ind, Ban and NZ conditions, plus he is yet to play against SL, SA, ENG, WI, ZIM, BAN, PAK at home. Once his career stretches past 25 tests, I'll would have a good idea of how good he is. It is funny that you think I am a Indian supporter when I actually follow all teams around the world, except for the minnows. Hauritz was supposed to be Australia's permanent spinner before he got the chop. I might send mixed views based on the topic, but that comes down to what the journalists write.