West Indies v Australia, 2nd Test, Port-of-Spain, 5th day April 19, 2012

Siddle and Pattinson fly home with back injuries

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Peter Siddle has flown home from Australia's tour of the West Indies and James Pattinson will follow him at the conclusion of the second Test in Trinidad after both were ruled out of the third Test, due to begin in Dominica on Monday.

Pattinson and Siddle, team-mates for club, state and country, have both complained of back trouble in the past week. Siddle's was at first described as "back stiffness" and emerged as he played in the first Test in Barbados, quickly ruling him out of the second.

He and the rested Ryan Harris were replaced as fast bowlers for the second match by Pattinson, who was playing his first Test since he suffered a foot stress injury during the second Test against India at the SCG in January. However Pattinson struggled for rhythm and left the field on the third afternoon following a throw from the outfield.

Siddle was not considered for Australia's ODI team following his Test match success against India as the national selectors wished to retain his full and aggressive style for the game's longest form, while also keeping him fresher physically. Australia's captain Michael Clarke said the loss of Siddle and Pattinson would be difficult to cover, but was glad Harris had been left in reserve alongside Mitchell Starc.

"Disappointing we lose two very good bowlers," Clarke said. "But Mitchell Starc comes into contention now as one of our fast bowlers or we have the option to play two spinners again. Ryan Harris freshens up, doesn't play this Test and he's fresh and ready to go for the next Test. We've still got some options, it's just about looking at conditions when we get there and see what our best attack is."

Clarke said Pattinson had shown no signs of discomfort until he threw while off balance in the field and immediately complained of back stiffness. "No back issues until he did that," Clarke said. "I walked up to him and asked how you going and he said 'I'm a little bit stiff', told him to go and see the physio and it didn't get much better from there. He was still stiff the next morning, had a scan and we didn't get the results until late last night.

"Got those results and the decision was made this morning on what his plans were because it's more positive than negative. Obviously it's disappointing that he's not going to be available for the third Test but the reality is, if he's not going to be fit for the third Test, our best option for both him and Peter is to put them on a plane and get them home and get them stuck into treatment ASAP so they're fit for our next tour."

Australia's physio on tour, Kevin Sims, said Siddle's scans had shown a "low back bone stress injury" while Pattinson's "acute low back pain" will require further diagnosis on his return to Australia.

"Peter Siddle developed some back soreness late in the first Test against the West Indies and scans conducted in Trinidad showed the early signs of a low back bone stress injury," Sims said. "He was subsequently ruled out of the second Test.

"After further consultation we feel that to prevent this injury developing any further it is in Peter's best interest for him to return to Australia to rest and for appropriate physiotherapy to ensure he is fully fit when next selected for Australian duties.

"James Pattinson had an episode of acute low back pain after fielding and throwing awkwardly late on day three of the second Test. We have since monitored his condition over the last couple of days and the initial investigations suggest that while the injury is not serious there is insufficient time for him to recover to play in the third Test match.

"As such, we have today made the decision for James to return to Australia to prevent this injury developing any further and for him to receive the appropriate medical and physiotherapy management."

Neither bowler will be replaced on tour, leaving Ben Hilfenhaus, Harris and Starc as Australia's only available pacemen for the third Test.

Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • POSTED BY Aussasinator on | April 21, 2012, 9:49 GMT

    This happens basically when a guy who can bowl at 140 tries to cross 145k under peer pressure. Body is taxed beyond its normal capacity. Pat Cummins is gone for good as far as pace is concerned, so is Pattinson as could be seen from his comeback bowling speeds. Siddle needs a year long break before he can get to 140 plus which is anyway not a consistent speed for him. Hilfenhaus should last another six months without breakdown if he cleverly sticks to sub 140 speeds. Aussie bowlers try to surpass themselves in the pace dept and hence are paying the price. I suppose the same thing happened to a wannabe quick bowler called Shane watson and he has paid ( is paying the price). He's merely in the team because there are no better choices.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 21, 2012, 7:43 GMT

    @ zenboomerang "Paine may never play again" - is actually a heading from a SMH newspaper heading & the theme of a former test cricketer who claimed to have inside knowledge of Paine's situation. This very website ran article titled "Paine's future uncertain following further surgery". Not sure if my post regarding "Carnage in the Ozzy bowling ranks is at epic proportions" has been posted, you have quoted statistics that Howard claims to be cover "...Across all grades..." - something which in my capacity as a board member of my local cricket club for nearly five years would find near impossible to verify. Apart from the fact there is no record keeping in terms of why players are not selected from week to week, (unless they may be targeted for rep teams), the only other way of tracking that accross all grades is via insurance forms, which in my experience unless there is a broken limb, never get claimed on. (cric info pls publish)

  • POSTED BY Behind_the_bowlers_arm on | April 21, 2012, 5:46 GMT

    I'm quite keen to see Starc back in this Test, I like the idea of a left arm fast bowler who isn't Johnson. International scheduling over-kill isn't helping. Since August 9 months have seen Tests against SL 3, SA 2, NZ 2, India 4 & now Windies 2 with another to come. There is an ODI tour of England in June but apart that I believe Australia don't play Tests again for over 6 months. In the face of this feast or famine bowler management is key and I think the best should become JUST Test bowlers and leave ODI's to oldtimers like Lee & up & comers like Coulter-Nile & Cutting. That said I'd use Pattinson, Cummins, Starc & maybe Cutting in the July longer form games for Australia A against the England Lions.

  • POSTED BY Moppa on | April 21, 2012, 5:17 GMT

    @Reece Agland, I don't think we can blame Siddle's injury on resting. Between the Adelaide Test in late January and the middle of March, Siddle bowled 112 overs for Victoria in all forms of cricket, which is more than any one bowler in the CB series. I imagine he would've bowled another 50+ in Melbourne grade cricket.

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | April 21, 2012, 4:01 GMT

    It's not a major deal because we have an embarassment of riches when it comes to fast bowlers. Any one fo Starc, Hazlewood, Cutting, Coulter-Nile, Butterworth, George could replace him. The list goes on!

  • POSTED BY tanstell87 on | April 21, 2012, 3:58 GMT

    @RandyOZ - how come Cummins is in top 3 international bowlers after playing only one test....Cummins was hit for 3 sixes in one over by India under 19 skipper Unmukut Chand that won India under 19 tournament in Australia....i would say Philander & Sunil Narine are find of international season 2011-12 !

  • POSTED BY tanstell87 on | April 21, 2012, 3:55 GMT

    i agree with Gupta Ankur......they are indeed delicate & yes Poms gonna beat them 5-0 next year !!!

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 21, 2012, 2:56 GMT

    @zenbooemerang - also, lovely to see that you sage advice does not extend to yourself, this what I said about Paine on (February 21 2012, 01:33 AM GMT - "...at best - he'll be back next year, at worst retired. Probably won't keep early in the Shield next summer & play as a batsmen,..." - totally different context to your "quote"! ps: Never mentioned Harris anywhere, but since you brought him up, yes I would say he is INJURY PRONE, by the simple fact he fails to last an entire series without some problem. On the topic of misquoting,"...making up comments & misquoting others regularly..." (this is an ACTUAL quote), I have been commenting on this site for about 2 or 3 years, had many arguements & debates, & you are the only person who claims to have been misquoted by me. Perhaps you should use some more clarity of thought before putting fingertip to keyboard!!!!!

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 21, 2012, 2:06 GMT

    @Gilly4ever - I think Hastings is still recovering from injury. He had a hiccup in the recovery process, so he'll struggle to be bowling by the start of the next Shield summer I would say. As for Copeland, he seems to be a good dependable bowler despite his lean frame. I think he needs to be close to the test team as I have a gut feel he would excel in English conditions.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 21, 2012, 0:26 GMT

    @ zenboomerang - following on from the previous post, clearly my refernce was to bowlers at or near International selection. Doing some analysis of the last 8 years, separated into TWO blocks of 4 years in Oz INTERNATIONAL cricket, it can be easily calculated that 36% of the ELEVEN fast bowlers we used between 2003 & 2007 had injury concerns, whereas the next 4 years the SIXTEEN pace bowlers we used - 68% had injury concerns. By injury concerns, I mean the probability that they are unable to play in a match as opposed to niggles which ALL pro-sports people play thru. My simple analysis, didn't go into grades nor inc Shield players on the verge of Test selection (like Coulter-Nile & Cutting or Cummins) either or some ODI players like Hazlewood. I even inc Starc as NOT having injury concerns despite only relatively recently returning from a major set back, for that matter I also inc Hilfenhaas as NOT an injury concern & did not inc Lee in the 2nd 4yr bracket at all.

  • POSTED BY Aussasinator on | April 21, 2012, 9:49 GMT

    This happens basically when a guy who can bowl at 140 tries to cross 145k under peer pressure. Body is taxed beyond its normal capacity. Pat Cummins is gone for good as far as pace is concerned, so is Pattinson as could be seen from his comeback bowling speeds. Siddle needs a year long break before he can get to 140 plus which is anyway not a consistent speed for him. Hilfenhaus should last another six months without breakdown if he cleverly sticks to sub 140 speeds. Aussie bowlers try to surpass themselves in the pace dept and hence are paying the price. I suppose the same thing happened to a wannabe quick bowler called Shane watson and he has paid ( is paying the price). He's merely in the team because there are no better choices.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 21, 2012, 7:43 GMT

    @ zenboomerang "Paine may never play again" - is actually a heading from a SMH newspaper heading & the theme of a former test cricketer who claimed to have inside knowledge of Paine's situation. This very website ran article titled "Paine's future uncertain following further surgery". Not sure if my post regarding "Carnage in the Ozzy bowling ranks is at epic proportions" has been posted, you have quoted statistics that Howard claims to be cover "...Across all grades..." - something which in my capacity as a board member of my local cricket club for nearly five years would find near impossible to verify. Apart from the fact there is no record keeping in terms of why players are not selected from week to week, (unless they may be targeted for rep teams), the only other way of tracking that accross all grades is via insurance forms, which in my experience unless there is a broken limb, never get claimed on. (cric info pls publish)

  • POSTED BY Behind_the_bowlers_arm on | April 21, 2012, 5:46 GMT

    I'm quite keen to see Starc back in this Test, I like the idea of a left arm fast bowler who isn't Johnson. International scheduling over-kill isn't helping. Since August 9 months have seen Tests against SL 3, SA 2, NZ 2, India 4 & now Windies 2 with another to come. There is an ODI tour of England in June but apart that I believe Australia don't play Tests again for over 6 months. In the face of this feast or famine bowler management is key and I think the best should become JUST Test bowlers and leave ODI's to oldtimers like Lee & up & comers like Coulter-Nile & Cutting. That said I'd use Pattinson, Cummins, Starc & maybe Cutting in the July longer form games for Australia A against the England Lions.

  • POSTED BY Moppa on | April 21, 2012, 5:17 GMT

    @Reece Agland, I don't think we can blame Siddle's injury on resting. Between the Adelaide Test in late January and the middle of March, Siddle bowled 112 overs for Victoria in all forms of cricket, which is more than any one bowler in the CB series. I imagine he would've bowled another 50+ in Melbourne grade cricket.

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | April 21, 2012, 4:01 GMT

    It's not a major deal because we have an embarassment of riches when it comes to fast bowlers. Any one fo Starc, Hazlewood, Cutting, Coulter-Nile, Butterworth, George could replace him. The list goes on!

  • POSTED BY tanstell87 on | April 21, 2012, 3:58 GMT

    @RandyOZ - how come Cummins is in top 3 international bowlers after playing only one test....Cummins was hit for 3 sixes in one over by India under 19 skipper Unmukut Chand that won India under 19 tournament in Australia....i would say Philander & Sunil Narine are find of international season 2011-12 !

  • POSTED BY tanstell87 on | April 21, 2012, 3:55 GMT

    i agree with Gupta Ankur......they are indeed delicate & yes Poms gonna beat them 5-0 next year !!!

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 21, 2012, 2:56 GMT

    @zenbooemerang - also, lovely to see that you sage advice does not extend to yourself, this what I said about Paine on (February 21 2012, 01:33 AM GMT - "...at best - he'll be back next year, at worst retired. Probably won't keep early in the Shield next summer & play as a batsmen,..." - totally different context to your "quote"! ps: Never mentioned Harris anywhere, but since you brought him up, yes I would say he is INJURY PRONE, by the simple fact he fails to last an entire series without some problem. On the topic of misquoting,"...making up comments & misquoting others regularly..." (this is an ACTUAL quote), I have been commenting on this site for about 2 or 3 years, had many arguements & debates, & you are the only person who claims to have been misquoted by me. Perhaps you should use some more clarity of thought before putting fingertip to keyboard!!!!!

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 21, 2012, 2:06 GMT

    @Gilly4ever - I think Hastings is still recovering from injury. He had a hiccup in the recovery process, so he'll struggle to be bowling by the start of the next Shield summer I would say. As for Copeland, he seems to be a good dependable bowler despite his lean frame. I think he needs to be close to the test team as I have a gut feel he would excel in English conditions.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 21, 2012, 0:26 GMT

    @ zenboomerang - following on from the previous post, clearly my refernce was to bowlers at or near International selection. Doing some analysis of the last 8 years, separated into TWO blocks of 4 years in Oz INTERNATIONAL cricket, it can be easily calculated that 36% of the ELEVEN fast bowlers we used between 2003 & 2007 had injury concerns, whereas the next 4 years the SIXTEEN pace bowlers we used - 68% had injury concerns. By injury concerns, I mean the probability that they are unable to play in a match as opposed to niggles which ALL pro-sports people play thru. My simple analysis, didn't go into grades nor inc Shield players on the verge of Test selection (like Coulter-Nile & Cutting or Cummins) either or some ODI players like Hazlewood. I even inc Starc as NOT having injury concerns despite only relatively recently returning from a major set back, for that matter I also inc Hilfenhaas as NOT an injury concern & did not inc Lee in the 2nd 4yr bracket at all.

  • POSTED BY Chris_P on | April 20, 2012, 21:28 GMT

    @Gupta.Ankur. Have you actually ever played or even seen a live game of cricket? Go comment on Indian criclet related articles, you are doing not only your countrymen, but mankind a great disservice.

  • POSTED BY Lees_Legends on | April 20, 2012, 21:00 GMT

    @Gilly4ever: Look at how many wickets Trent Copeland took in the entire Shield summer. I don't know the exact figure but it was single digits. 8 or something

  • POSTED BY Muhtasim13 on | April 20, 2012, 17:53 GMT

    Pattinson's frequent injuries must be a concern for Australia. I haven't counted but I think he must have had more injuries than the number of tests he has played.

  • POSTED BY Srini_Indian on | April 20, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    Honestly do anybody care? These are 2 average bowlers at best.

  • POSTED BY Ozcricketwriter on | April 20, 2012, 16:21 GMT

    Where is Trent Copeland? Or Clint McKay? Or John Hastings? There is such depth in Australian fast bowling that this shouldn't bother the team - at least so long as one of the quality bowlers that were left behind come in.

  • POSTED BY squarepeg on | April 20, 2012, 15:36 GMT

    May be the state of pitches and not training methods has to do something with frequent breakdowns. When pitches have low bounce and negligible movement, one tends to 'bend his back'.

  • POSTED BY Drew12 on | April 20, 2012, 14:54 GMT

    Perhaps cpt.Meanster meant meaningless in the sense that the Australian players just want this tour over with. They have been playing non-stop cricket since August. This tour should never have occured. They need a break and the performances of the team is indicative of the fact. SL, NZ, IND, SL, SL and IND then, in the midst of all this domestic cricket was being played.

  • POSTED BY AndrewFromOz on | April 20, 2012, 13:44 GMT

    Get off their backs (pardon the pun)...

  • POSTED BY zenboomerang on | April 20, 2012, 10:12 GMT

    @Marcio... Not arguing with your thoughts on Coulter-Nile/McDermott but the squad we have in the WI's is what we've got (& agree on bowler height)... Harris & Hilfy will probably bowl with 2 spinners if the 3rd Test pitch is similar to the others... Still I wouldn't mind Starc getting a chance with just the 1 spinner... With the weather looking wetter than the other games it looking bad for whichever bowler bowls...

  • POSTED BY Salim_123 on | April 20, 2012, 9:16 GMT

    I do not understand now a days Aussie bowlers are breaking down so fast. Someting is wrong somewhere. How come McGrath had no such problum. Even Geoff Lawson and McDermot were not breaking down so often. Nowadays feels as if a particular bowler may not last a full test leave aside series. Look at Dale Steyn. He may miss a test rarely but is always fully fit and raring to bowl whenever thrown the ball.

    CA needs to seriously look into this as it is becoming a joke now a days.

  • POSTED BY greybeardtt on | April 20, 2012, 8:36 GMT

    Modern fast bowlers aren't made of the quality stuff of the older guys - look at Courtney Walsh , who was the work horse of the WI team right up until the end of his career - how many times did HE break down?

  • POSTED BY Vivian_Richard on | April 20, 2012, 8:32 GMT

    Something's definitely wrong, is it just that the media highlights more injuries these days or are more players getting injured these days?

  • POSTED BY Aussasinator on | April 20, 2012, 8:13 GMT

    I hear that no Australian medical insurance company wants to accept policies for present and upcoming Aussie fast bowlers.

  • POSTED BY zenboomerang on | April 20, 2012, 7:46 GMT

    @Mervo :- "Makes Lillie and past players look like supermen"... Perhaps read some cricket history - Lillee broke down a number of times & required back surgery & I cannot think of any "fast" bowler that didn't at one stage or another miss Tests... Re: Mitch - might see him bowling in the shorter formats, but will need some good FC matches to prove himself again... Maybe the removal of that piece of metal from his big toe may be a blessing in disguise - maybe Mitch's "achilles heal" has been removed :) ...

  • POSTED BY zenboomerang on | April 20, 2012, 7:27 GMT

    @Meety... "Carnage in the Ozzy bowling ranks is at epic proportions"... "Paine may never play again"... Try & stick to the facts rather than making up comments & misquoting others regularly... Across all grades, Oz bowling injuries are at an all time low from when in 2002/2003 we had 41% injury rates down to our current low... Where once players would play through injuries, today they are rested due to a much more conservative approach (& not more injuries) - Harris spelled & Patto sent home... If you think Harris is carrying an injury then your knowledge of cricket has hit an all time low...

  • POSTED BY Claydo78 on | April 20, 2012, 7:17 GMT

    @Cpt.meanster You are and people like you are the direct cause of the demise of west Indian cricket! 25 years ago a Caribbean tour was a highlight of the cricket calendar and now because the west indies aren't the power house they once were it's become a meaningless test series? So I guess you only follow the team that's winning, is that what you are saying? Back to the point, something must be done about the steady stream of injuries, clearly training isn't as tough as it should be, training should get as close to the intensity of a test. If they get through training then they can survive a test match! Banning all forms of t20 cricket would be another benefit, once players realize once again that a measure of a cricketer is how well he does in test matches, t20 will fizzle out!

  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 7:14 GMT

    @ Cpt.Meanster: Mate, the WI are still a Test playing nation, and given their competitive performances in the first two tests of this series, they deserve it. If Australia are as good as they think, they should be thrashing the WI - this is not happening. Conclusion - every team needs to play every team so this is hardly a 'meaningless' series. And moving on to talking about the Ashes, if Aus continue to play in this (it must be said, mediocre) fashion, then I can't see anything other than a total wrought like the last Ashes being the result.

  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 6:24 GMT

    Bring Ben Cutting into the test squad, he will be the best replacement.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 20, 2012, 5:45 GMT

    @hhillbumper - I challenge you to name your ten "decent" bowlers! No imports either please! @Mervo - re: MJ, well he was injured too! (although he bowled more International deliveries than any other pacer over a 3 yr period until the end of the Saffa series). @Marcio - mate, it has to be who's in the squad, they'll never get them over there in time (unless they are playing in the UK - Maggoffin, Henriques...). Even if we could get players over there in time, I think it would be madness playing them after a long flight - if that is not a recipe for an injury..... @Gupta.Ankur - do you even like cricket?

  • POSTED BY Jimmy_Jim on | April 20, 2012, 5:44 GMT

    The more the coaching and fitness staff coddle these bowlers the more they seem to get injured. They're getting injured after seemingly long gaps of no cricket as well, why rest them?

  • POSTED BY on | April 20, 2012, 5:40 GMT

    God... Makes a change to not see NZ fast bowlers falling over as they always seem to with stress fractures... Bond & Allott anyone?

  • POSTED BY AdY113 on | April 20, 2012, 5:22 GMT

    This is what makes Umar Gul exceptional..that guy hardly is out due to injury and delivers most of the times..Its not great to be great..Its great to be fit and great simultaneoulsy.

  • POSTED BY Aussie_Cricket on | April 20, 2012, 4:11 GMT

    @gupta.ankur "India's tour of England 2011" need I say more?

  • POSTED BY Gupta.Ankur on | April 20, 2012, 4:00 GMT

    Quality without sustained performance is nothing. Its like you have the best car, but you need to send it to workshop every 15 days.

    Maybe the should be played in 2 most imp matches in Aussie summer and rested for rest of the year, considering they are so " delicate"

  • POSTED BY Cpt.Meanster on | April 20, 2012, 3:17 GMT

    @AUSOME_AWESIE: I am not sure why you are cross. It's a fact Aussie fast bowlers are dropping like ten pins. This is what meaningless cricket does to fast bowlers around the world. This WI tour is a meaningless one in the middle of nowhere. Adding to that, there are back to back Ashes series coming up. I feel like throwing up already. Meaningless test cricket = boring and pointless cricket. I feel sorry for Pattinson and Siddle.

  • POSTED BY Marcio on | April 20, 2012, 2:56 GMT

    I suspect Pattinson's injury is not serious. He will have no further part in the tour anyway, because Harris will play the last game. So off he goes. Siddle is usually very resilient, though, so he must have a genuine injury. I wonder who will replace them, if we play only one spinner? As I have said, these slow, low bouncing pitches are not good for tall fast bowlers like Pattinson. Starc would thus be the wrong replacement. He gets phenomenal bounce on harder wickets because he delivers the ball standing very upright with a very short final stride, and is 6-6. If the wicket for the last test is the same as the 1st two, they should pick one of the other up and comers like Counter-Nile or McDermott. There are plenty to choose from.

  • POSTED BY righthandbat on | April 20, 2012, 2:30 GMT

    I don't think the problem is to do with 'fitness levels' per se. It's a case that Boycott went on about - about how he used to have bowlers that worked in the mines and so on and because they did manual labour all the time they weren't likely to break down. The fine conditioning of the gym doesn't seem to produce a similar type of fitness - it's too 'perfect' in nature and the individual targeting of certain areas might not actually be ideal to produce a strong person who can continue to bowl for extended lengths of time. Another issue is definitely the actions of fast bowlers - McGrath for instance had the classic action that didn't put as much strain on his body and was very easy to replicate over and over. Like Roger Federer in tennis, these types of cricketers tend not to break down as much as the Taits of this world.

  • POSTED BY Mervo on | April 20, 2012, 1:34 GMT

    For goodness sake, bring back Mitch!

  • POSTED BY RednWhiteArmy on | April 19, 2012, 22:23 GMT

    Australias bowlers need to be more like Englands bowlers...Tough & Skillful

  • POSTED BY on | April 19, 2012, 22:03 GMT

    Should never have rested Siddle. You need to keep these guys in match fitness. Though funny (in sad way) as they were worried about Harris but it was the other two who have been sent home. Next time keep Siddle in one dayers, maybe not every game but a couple to keep match fitness and get used to the conditions. Oh well seems the grounds favour spinners anyway so maybe not huge loss to Australia.

  • POSTED BY Mervo on | April 19, 2012, 20:57 GMT

    Can't believe how fragile these guys are. Makes Lillie and past players look like supermen. What ever happened to Cummins? he was there like Pattinson, for 5 minutes?

    Well bring back Mitch Johnson. He is strong and durable.

  • POSTED BY mukesh_LOVE.cricket on | April 19, 2012, 20:55 GMT

    look at all current fast bowlers , all are injury prone - cummins , pattinson , zaheer , varun aaron , siddle , tremlett , broad , siddle , sreesanth , ravi rampaul , ryan harris... list goes on..

  • POSTED BY mukesh_LOVE.cricket on | April 19, 2012, 20:49 GMT

    its not just australien bowlers , almost all current fast bowlers are injury prone.. and wats up with gupta ankur ? is he living in some alternate reality where zaheer , sreesanth , ishant and varun aaron are the fittest bowlers in planet and ripping through the Australian and English batting line ups ??

  • POSTED BY Meety on | April 19, 2012, 20:29 GMT

    @jmcilhinney/RandyOZ - don't worry acording to some regular commenter on this site, we DON'T have an injury problem, they (he knows who he is), even likes to quote Howard who thinks we are in a 10yr low for injuries.

  • POSTED BY on | April 19, 2012, 20:06 GMT

    @Arjhun Srinivasan - mate, did you pay attention to how many injuries Gillespie & Lee had during their test careers?! Gillespie missed something like 40 test matches due to various injuries. And it's not just the Aussie quicks either. Where'sChris Tremlett been for the last 6 months? Where's Stuart Broad now? How many games has Zaheer Khan missed through injury? The simple fact is that bowling fast is an unnatural thing for the human body to do, regardless of how fit or well-trained you are. Some guys are lucky and don't suffer injuries as much as others, but any fast bowler at any time will at least have some sort of niggle to deal with.

  • POSTED BY SatishT2105 on | April 19, 2012, 20:03 GMT

    An interesting comparisson with the trio of McGrath, Lee, Gillespie, who were backed ably by Damien Fleming, Andy Bichel, Kasprowicz, Bracken, Stuart Clark at different times. However, one main reason the Aussie quicks are now struggling is with the lack of a class spinner like Warne. In fact even when Warne was away, they had the likes of Macgill, Miller or B. Hogg. Lyon is on a learning curve, albeit one that shall take some time. This is making the pacers try harder than what they would otherwise & as a result making them injury prone. In every successful team the stock bowlers have always been spinners; however, the Aussie team from 1993 to 2007 never needed a stock bowler. Warne was unbelievable & McGrath, Lee & Gllespie were outstanding when it came to picking wickets. Injuries are inevitable, but the important thing would be to build the base like what they had until 2007, where they had at least 2 out of the 4 world class bowlers in a playing XI at all times.

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | April 19, 2012, 19:34 GMT

    that raft of young bowlers keeps getting smaller and smaller. England could put ten decent fast bowlers in the team.It seems like Aus had better start that trick as they get through so many bowlers.

  • POSTED BY thebarmyarmy on | April 19, 2012, 18:22 GMT

    Get Pattinson fit again ASAP. England will smoke him all over the park when he comes up to England and we need him fit.

  • POSTED BY AUSOME_AWESIE on | April 19, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    @ Ankur Gupta, dude atleast our country HAS QUALITY FAST BOWLERS, what have you got bro???

  • POSTED BY on | April 19, 2012, 16:43 GMT

    it is easy to bowl fast but difficult to maintain it. aussie bowlers are finding out

  • POSTED BY Gupta.Ankur on | April 19, 2012, 15:57 GMT

    It seems australia has the most delicate and fragile bodied fast bowlers in the world. they must he wrapped in wool.

  • POSTED BY AdrianVanDenStael on | April 19, 2012, 15:46 GMT

    With this bad luck with injuries recently for Siddle and Pattinson, as well as Mitchell Johnson, one might facetiously suggested Australian pace bowlers are having the kind of injury epidemic associated with the England vintage of 1989 or 2002. However, the big difference is that Australia are winning test matches ... It was only the other day that Mitchell Starc's agent was complaining a little about his charge not getting any cricket this tour; but now he might have to get a game in Dominica, unless Australia decide to play both Beer and Lyon again.

  • POSTED BY Wallaroo on | April 19, 2012, 15:39 GMT

    Big blow. I have become so despondent every time things look good for Aus something goes wrong for us.

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | April 19, 2012, 14:56 GMT

    So, is Ryan Harris the healthiest fast bowler in the Australia team at the moment? Who would have thought? This is really not a good sign for Pattinson. Is it an indication that his body wasn't yet up to the rigours of Test cricket without having played all that many first class games to get used to longer matches? Has he just been unlucky? Is he just too frail? Only time will tell I guess. I'll say one thing though, I don't see Cummins getting back in the team too soon because the selectors will be very wary about placing too much strain on him too soon and ending up with yet another injury-prone quick. I doubt we'll see him again before the 2014 Ashes and maybe not even then.

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | April 19, 2012, 14:41 GMT

    Crying shame. Pattinson is one of the top 3 new quicks to the international scene, along with Philander and Cummins. Hopefully he makes a speedy recovery and is ready for the Aussie summer!

  • POSTED BY on | April 19, 2012, 14:39 GMT

    It's really sad to see the fitness of Australian young fast bowlers....Once upon a time Australia had great bowlers like Mc Grath,Lee,Gillespie who used to play in both the formats of the game and fitness levels will be so high that they will play almost every match for Australia.....I think this is the right time Selectors pay attention regarding the roles of support staffs so that these things can be avoided in future

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  • POSTED BY on | April 19, 2012, 14:39 GMT

    It's really sad to see the fitness of Australian young fast bowlers....Once upon a time Australia had great bowlers like Mc Grath,Lee,Gillespie who used to play in both the formats of the game and fitness levels will be so high that they will play almost every match for Australia.....I think this is the right time Selectors pay attention regarding the roles of support staffs so that these things can be avoided in future

  • POSTED BY RandyOZ on | April 19, 2012, 14:41 GMT

    Crying shame. Pattinson is one of the top 3 new quicks to the international scene, along with Philander and Cummins. Hopefully he makes a speedy recovery and is ready for the Aussie summer!

  • POSTED BY jmcilhinney on | April 19, 2012, 14:56 GMT

    So, is Ryan Harris the healthiest fast bowler in the Australia team at the moment? Who would have thought? This is really not a good sign for Pattinson. Is it an indication that his body wasn't yet up to the rigours of Test cricket without having played all that many first class games to get used to longer matches? Has he just been unlucky? Is he just too frail? Only time will tell I guess. I'll say one thing though, I don't see Cummins getting back in the team too soon because the selectors will be very wary about placing too much strain on him too soon and ending up with yet another injury-prone quick. I doubt we'll see him again before the 2014 Ashes and maybe not even then.

  • POSTED BY Wallaroo on | April 19, 2012, 15:39 GMT

    Big blow. I have become so despondent every time things look good for Aus something goes wrong for us.

  • POSTED BY AdrianVanDenStael on | April 19, 2012, 15:46 GMT

    With this bad luck with injuries recently for Siddle and Pattinson, as well as Mitchell Johnson, one might facetiously suggested Australian pace bowlers are having the kind of injury epidemic associated with the England vintage of 1989 or 2002. However, the big difference is that Australia are winning test matches ... It was only the other day that Mitchell Starc's agent was complaining a little about his charge not getting any cricket this tour; but now he might have to get a game in Dominica, unless Australia decide to play both Beer and Lyon again.

  • POSTED BY Gupta.Ankur on | April 19, 2012, 15:57 GMT

    It seems australia has the most delicate and fragile bodied fast bowlers in the world. they must he wrapped in wool.

  • POSTED BY on | April 19, 2012, 16:43 GMT

    it is easy to bowl fast but difficult to maintain it. aussie bowlers are finding out

  • POSTED BY AUSOME_AWESIE on | April 19, 2012, 17:17 GMT

    @ Ankur Gupta, dude atleast our country HAS QUALITY FAST BOWLERS, what have you got bro???

  • POSTED BY thebarmyarmy on | April 19, 2012, 18:22 GMT

    Get Pattinson fit again ASAP. England will smoke him all over the park when he comes up to England and we need him fit.

  • POSTED BY hhillbumper on | April 19, 2012, 19:34 GMT

    that raft of young bowlers keeps getting smaller and smaller. England could put ten decent fast bowlers in the team.It seems like Aus had better start that trick as they get through so many bowlers.