West Indies v Australia, 3rd Test, Roseau, 4th day April 26, 2012

Learning from Chanderpaul a priority - Darren Bravo

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Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Test cricket's latest 10,000-run man, is providing incalculable value to a young West Indies team by the example he sets in training and at the batting crease, Darren Bravo has said. Bravo was at the crease with Chanderpaul when he passed the mark on day four of the third Test against Australia in Dominica, and their partnership briefly gave the hosts hope of chasing down a distant target of 370 to defeat the tourists.

Though both would be dismissed before the close, Chanderpaul lbw on a DRS referral by Australia's captain Michael Clarke in the final over of the day, Bravo said the progress being made by the Caribbean side was due in large part to the fact that the team's younger players have Chanderpaul's famously relentless batting to measure their methods against.

"The good thing about it is whenever you talk to Shiv and ask for advice, he is 100% willing each and every time [to share his advice]," Bravo said. "We're very fortunate to have him in this team at this point in time and we enjoy his company, he's going to be around for a very long time still. He's scored lots of runs and as young batsmen in the team we should try to take a page from Shiv's book as much as possible - as long as we do we're going to improve as a batting unit in the future.

"I think the way he practises, he puts his heart and soul into the way he practises. Shiv's a guy who will bat first at training and then be the last to leave the nets, so it is something us as young batsmen can look at. The way he goes about an innings is special, he plays the ball on its merits and his concentration level is very good. It is just a matter of learning from him as much as possible … very important for us to pick his brain at every opportunity."

Bravo said the privilege of being at the other end when Chanderpaul stroked run No. 10,000 would stay with him for a long time, and only served to strengthen a batting relationship that has already reaped six century stands in Test matches.

"Batting with Shiv when he achieved his 10,000th run was a special feeling, really nice to be out there with him and share the moment," Bravo said. "We're all happy for him and he's going to go down as one of the best batters for the West Indies, so I'm really happy for him.

"Shiv is someone I enjoy batting with each and every time, we have had a few partnerships, we tend to get pretty decent partnerships. When I'm batting with Shiv he's always there encouraging me and telling me to treat the ball on its merits and try to rotate the strike as much as possible. I try to do that. Batting with Shiv gives me confidence, we all know he's much more experienced so batting with him is definitely a plus."

Having made 45 to conclude a series in which he has made plenty of starts but never quite carried on, Bravo said he was determined to learn from his first meetings with Australia. As stumps approached on day four, Bravo had been undone by a quicker delivery from allrounder Shane Watson - the ball was onto him with more pace than expected and prompted an edge through to wicketkeeper Matthew Wade.

"I believe it was an effort ball from Shane that had a bit more pace than the previous delivery," Bravo said. "I think, looking at the replays, it was too close to cut. I have to learn from those mistakes and go from strength to strength. I don't want to focus too much on the negatives, I am always taking positives.

"I'm disappointed in my performances [in this series] but I think I tried my best. In certain situations I was able to get a partnership with another batsman going. It is a learning experience and it is very important for me to learn from my mistakes."

Daniel Brettig is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • Rally_Windies on April 27, 2012, 13:23 GMT

    Indian_wi_fan ......

    I 100% agree with your team selection, but you'd have to drop shilly and Sammy to bring in Russel and Narine ....

    Shilly is not bad, but we know he is not as good as Narine ...

    but the WI mentality is... : anytime a spinner demands to be selected by stellar regional performances ..... they pick a 3rd or 4th ranked spinner from somewhere else just to keep the performing and deserving player OUT ......

    do you remember Perry and Hendy Brian ? who were just there to keep Nagamotto and Dhanraj out ?

    and lets not forget Benn ... who has never been and will never be better than Shilly or Miller .....

    but now that the 2 best spinners are Narine and Miller ...

    Shilly is in luck, because he is the 3rd ranked spinner ......

    Only in the WI, you need to be 3rd best to play.. and 1st best gets benched .. we have a LONG history of doing that to our spinners. ...

  • king_kenie on April 27, 2012, 13:06 GMT

    In my assessment of Darren Bravo I see him getting out with shots that he is good at playing but don't suit the condition in which he is playing. A typical example was shown in the last innings he played. Twice I saw him coming down the track to launch Michael Clarke over long off. That's a shot he can play very well but in those conditions it was close to impossible to play. Both times he inside edged the ball just out of reach of the short mid wicket fielder. With that amount of turn he should have been looking to go over wide long on or mid wicket. My recommendation to Bravo is that he do like Shiv and select his scoring shots based on the conditions in which he is playing and not on his ability to play them nor his liking for them. This generally is the case with most batsmen who get good starts then get out often. I heard Jayawardene after making a century against Australia said that in his game plan he decided not to play any cover drive because of how much the ball was swinging.

  • on April 27, 2012, 13:04 GMT

    It devastates me to know that Chanders still has detractors in the Caribbean. It would make up for years of desolation if young WI cricketers apply the advice from the old heroes to become matchwinners. That's something the first post-1995 generation did not do.

  • on April 27, 2012, 13:02 GMT

    Darren said he is trying is best, & I like that. He is also willing to learn,that is a good sign. I know he will come good in England.

  • on April 27, 2012, 13:00 GMT

    My opinion is not important to the selectors. How I fell about GAYLE is my personal view. More than likely Gayle & Sarwan will return to the side. And Kirk should be tested as an opener. Also Dwayne will be back. Yes, no problem with Russell & Narine. With the batting strengthen WI can be more than competitive in Eng.

  • on April 27, 2012, 12:50 GMT

    What is important is that young Bravo is trying his best & willing to learn. I can live with that. Batting is no easy art.

  • on April 27, 2012, 12:47 GMT

    I agree with you Darren Bravo, just stay clear of Otis Gibson and Darren Sammy advice.

  • sachin_vvsfan on April 27, 2012, 12:15 GMT

    Why is kirk edwards not playing? How is he worse than Powell, brathwaite?

  • Boxilla on April 27, 2012, 12:10 GMT

    Big CONGRATULATIONS to Shiv Chanderpaul on joining the elite 10,000 runs club. As AllroundCricketFan says, the unsung hero for the last 10 years and more of the West Indies. A Long Suffering West Indies Fan!

  • nzcricket174 on April 27, 2012, 12:09 GMT

    Now if we could only get Gayle, Sarwan, Kirk Edwards, other Bravo and Narine to play for West Indies they could have some team to reckon with!

  • Rally_Windies on April 27, 2012, 13:23 GMT

    Indian_wi_fan ......

    I 100% agree with your team selection, but you'd have to drop shilly and Sammy to bring in Russel and Narine ....

    Shilly is not bad, but we know he is not as good as Narine ...

    but the WI mentality is... : anytime a spinner demands to be selected by stellar regional performances ..... they pick a 3rd or 4th ranked spinner from somewhere else just to keep the performing and deserving player OUT ......

    do you remember Perry and Hendy Brian ? who were just there to keep Nagamotto and Dhanraj out ?

    and lets not forget Benn ... who has never been and will never be better than Shilly or Miller .....

    but now that the 2 best spinners are Narine and Miller ...

    Shilly is in luck, because he is the 3rd ranked spinner ......

    Only in the WI, you need to be 3rd best to play.. and 1st best gets benched .. we have a LONG history of doing that to our spinners. ...

  • king_kenie on April 27, 2012, 13:06 GMT

    In my assessment of Darren Bravo I see him getting out with shots that he is good at playing but don't suit the condition in which he is playing. A typical example was shown in the last innings he played. Twice I saw him coming down the track to launch Michael Clarke over long off. That's a shot he can play very well but in those conditions it was close to impossible to play. Both times he inside edged the ball just out of reach of the short mid wicket fielder. With that amount of turn he should have been looking to go over wide long on or mid wicket. My recommendation to Bravo is that he do like Shiv and select his scoring shots based on the conditions in which he is playing and not on his ability to play them nor his liking for them. This generally is the case with most batsmen who get good starts then get out often. I heard Jayawardene after making a century against Australia said that in his game plan he decided not to play any cover drive because of how much the ball was swinging.

  • on April 27, 2012, 13:04 GMT

    It devastates me to know that Chanders still has detractors in the Caribbean. It would make up for years of desolation if young WI cricketers apply the advice from the old heroes to become matchwinners. That's something the first post-1995 generation did not do.

  • on April 27, 2012, 13:02 GMT

    Darren said he is trying is best, & I like that. He is also willing to learn,that is a good sign. I know he will come good in England.

  • on April 27, 2012, 13:00 GMT

    My opinion is not important to the selectors. How I fell about GAYLE is my personal view. More than likely Gayle & Sarwan will return to the side. And Kirk should be tested as an opener. Also Dwayne will be back. Yes, no problem with Russell & Narine. With the batting strengthen WI can be more than competitive in Eng.

  • on April 27, 2012, 12:50 GMT

    What is important is that young Bravo is trying his best & willing to learn. I can live with that. Batting is no easy art.

  • on April 27, 2012, 12:47 GMT

    I agree with you Darren Bravo, just stay clear of Otis Gibson and Darren Sammy advice.

  • sachin_vvsfan on April 27, 2012, 12:15 GMT

    Why is kirk edwards not playing? How is he worse than Powell, brathwaite?

  • Boxilla on April 27, 2012, 12:10 GMT

    Big CONGRATULATIONS to Shiv Chanderpaul on joining the elite 10,000 runs club. As AllroundCricketFan says, the unsung hero for the last 10 years and more of the West Indies. A Long Suffering West Indies Fan!

  • nzcricket174 on April 27, 2012, 12:09 GMT

    Now if we could only get Gayle, Sarwan, Kirk Edwards, other Bravo and Narine to play for West Indies they could have some team to reckon with!

  • joseyesu on April 27, 2012, 11:28 GMT

    How long peoples say the same thing" Learn from Chanderpaul". Even TENDULKAR will say, i am learning in every game. But people apply youself with whatever you have learned so far. WI has not moved a bit from their position in the last decade.

  • peacemaker on April 27, 2012, 11:08 GMT

    I'm just happy that no one has compared ____ to ____ in their comments so far. Let the man be himself and grow. Stay focused Bravo, you will do well.

  • AllroundCricketFan on April 27, 2012, 9:30 GMT

    Shiv Chanders - the unsung hero of Windies for the last 10 years. Well done young man. May you bat for another 10 years.

  • satish619chandar on April 27, 2012, 8:45 GMT

    Yes Darren.. It is as important as holding the bat to learn from the seniors.. And, Chanders is the only one available and you might need to shoulder the responsibility to cover his retirement too.. To have a guy with that amount of concentration and patience to construct an innings is a boon for any upcoming cricketer and hope u do learn things and implement it in future!!

  • FanofGoodCricket on April 27, 2012, 8:41 GMT

    Too early to think of him as a great batsman but he definitely has all the ingredients to become one... Only time can tell whether he joins that elite club or remains in an ever-growing list of players who did not do justice to their talents...

  • on April 27, 2012, 8:35 GMT

    Well played Bravo. Top 3 batsman need to lean more from Chanderpaul

  • on April 27, 2012, 8:21 GMT

    Chanderpaul has been a big influence right from the beginning. I remember in only his first test series he helped Lara concentrate when he broke the world record the first time. Well done Chanders, keep it up.

  • cricketdebator on April 27, 2012, 7:42 GMT

    Those of us who've had the pleasure of watching Bravo, knows he has what it takes to become a great batsman. It's simply just a matter of time before he starts dominating bowlers around the world, and I wish him all the best for the future. With regards to his lastest dismissal, I still believe the ball was there for one of his trade mark backfoot shots through the off-side, which we all love to see. It's just that on this occasion, he was slightly late on the stroke.

  • indian_wi_fan on April 27, 2012, 7:12 GMT

    This series has made the selector's job very easy. Just remove Barathwaite,Powell and Barath. Bring back Gayle, Sarwan and Kirk Edwards. Also include Russel and Narine. I think WI could stand up a good fight with England.

  • Meety on April 27, 2012, 4:58 GMT

    I've said before, I really hope this guy continues to track well. He seems to say all the right things.

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  • Meety on April 27, 2012, 4:58 GMT

    I've said before, I really hope this guy continues to track well. He seems to say all the right things.

  • indian_wi_fan on April 27, 2012, 7:12 GMT

    This series has made the selector's job very easy. Just remove Barathwaite,Powell and Barath. Bring back Gayle, Sarwan and Kirk Edwards. Also include Russel and Narine. I think WI could stand up a good fight with England.

  • cricketdebator on April 27, 2012, 7:42 GMT

    Those of us who've had the pleasure of watching Bravo, knows he has what it takes to become a great batsman. It's simply just a matter of time before he starts dominating bowlers around the world, and I wish him all the best for the future. With regards to his lastest dismissal, I still believe the ball was there for one of his trade mark backfoot shots through the off-side, which we all love to see. It's just that on this occasion, he was slightly late on the stroke.

  • on April 27, 2012, 8:21 GMT

    Chanderpaul has been a big influence right from the beginning. I remember in only his first test series he helped Lara concentrate when he broke the world record the first time. Well done Chanders, keep it up.

  • on April 27, 2012, 8:35 GMT

    Well played Bravo. Top 3 batsman need to lean more from Chanderpaul

  • FanofGoodCricket on April 27, 2012, 8:41 GMT

    Too early to think of him as a great batsman but he definitely has all the ingredients to become one... Only time can tell whether he joins that elite club or remains in an ever-growing list of players who did not do justice to their talents...

  • satish619chandar on April 27, 2012, 8:45 GMT

    Yes Darren.. It is as important as holding the bat to learn from the seniors.. And, Chanders is the only one available and you might need to shoulder the responsibility to cover his retirement too.. To have a guy with that amount of concentration and patience to construct an innings is a boon for any upcoming cricketer and hope u do learn things and implement it in future!!

  • AllroundCricketFan on April 27, 2012, 9:30 GMT

    Shiv Chanders - the unsung hero of Windies for the last 10 years. Well done young man. May you bat for another 10 years.

  • peacemaker on April 27, 2012, 11:08 GMT

    I'm just happy that no one has compared ____ to ____ in their comments so far. Let the man be himself and grow. Stay focused Bravo, you will do well.

  • joseyesu on April 27, 2012, 11:28 GMT

    How long peoples say the same thing" Learn from Chanderpaul". Even TENDULKAR will say, i am learning in every game. But people apply youself with whatever you have learned so far. WI has not moved a bit from their position in the last decade.