West Indies v England, 1st ODI, Antigua

Lumb hundred in vain as England collapse again

The Report by David Hopps

February 28, 2014

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West Indies 269 for 6 (Bravo 87*, Sammy 61, Simmons 65, Bresnan 3-68) beat England 254 for 6 (Lumb 106, Moeen 44, Narine 2-36) by 15 runs
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

Dobell: England's damage self-inflicted

Not since Dennis Amiss against Australia more than 40 years ago had an England batsman made a century on his ODI debut. Michael Lumb achieved that in Antigua, an England Twenty20 specialist given an unexpected opportunity at the age of 34. No matter, you might say, West Indies still won, and deservedly so. But if it did not quite smack of the new era that England had trumpeted, it was quite a story all the same.

Lumb was only in the squad because England have decided to use this West Indies tour, ODIs and T20s both, as a prelude for World Twenty20 in Bangladesh. He only played because Alex Hales was injured. When he was dismissed for 106, coming down the pitch to loft Ravi Rampaul to cover, England got all in a tizz over the remaining task of 90 in 78 balls with seven wickets left and succumbed by 15 runs. The turgid surface did not make it a breeze, but Lumb provided an invitation for victory that was not taken.

Sunil Narine's spin-bowling wiles did the damage - his 2 for 36 more decisive than it sounds. Lumb read him, not everybody did. Moeen Ali's smoothly-made 44 on debut faltered against Narine and finished with a tame chip to long on against Dwayne Smith. Joe Root and Ben Stokes both fell to Narine via malfunctioning sweep shots. In Ravi Bopara's hands, on his 100th ODI at only 28, the challenge died.

On the balcony, England's coach, Ashley Giles, scribbled furiously, who knows what? "Can't pick Narine," was surely there somewhere: perhaps even underlined.

There was even drama for Lumb on 99. Darren Sammy, whose buccaneering 61 from 36 balls, alongside Dwayne Bravo's judicious 87 not out, had allowed West Indies to post a substantial target of 270, stood at the top of his run, clutching his chest. As the physio checked him out, questions abounded in the crowd: back spasm, heart trouble? Sammy recovered enough to remind West Indies' fielders to be on the single for the next ball, but Lumb got one through cover and celebrated in the mistaken belief that the match was heading England's way.

As new eras go, to watch the ball disappearing into orbit as West Indies smacked 85 from the last five overs on a turgid pitch - a surface on which England's finale became so inhibited - ensured that the new era would have a false start. The smiles, if a good place to start the post-KP era, are superficial; England's inner psyche remains that of a beaten side.

Airborne: Dwayne Bravo puts all his power into a pull, West Indies v England, 1st ODI, North Sound, February 28, 2014
Airborne: Dwayne Bravo's efforts with first bat and then ball helped secure an unexpected victory © AFP

It was time for England to draw a line, many had urged, as they tried to come to terms with life after Kevin Pietersen. Some, perhaps influenced by the Caribbean scenery, had called for lines to be drawn in the sand.

Logicians preferred straight lines, Blondie fans wanted parallel lines, teachers naturally insisted upon 100 lines by start of school tomorrow and one could imagine that all over Antigua, council workers were drawing white lines, levying parking fines on unsuspecting motorists and pleading that England had told them to do it.

But the most controversial lines were on the pitch. The original pitch markings have long been superseded for additional guidelines for judging wides in one-day cricket, but as Tim Bresnan discovered when he was twice wided in conceding 16 off an over, even bowling within those is no longer regarded as acceptable.

England, who are searching for a survival mechanism at the death, were tactically bowling wide of off stump at that stage so it was imperative, rather than petulant, that Broad, skippering England in this series, sought an explanation from the umpire Marais Erasmus. He heard nothing to comfort him. That said, West Indies' late hitting was spectacular and overwhelmingly won what has increasingly become a loaded tactical battle between bat and ball. And West Indies suffered in similar fashion later.

If Broad's reliance on Bresnan went awry in mildly debatable fashion, his decision to risk Root's offspin so late in the innings was also a dubious choice. Root's first eight overs had relinquished only 24, with the wicket of Kieron Powell to boot, but Sammy delightedly heaved him for two sixes and two fours as his ninth over cost 23.

England gave the new ball to Root and, instead of a solitary over, which used to be his lot playing Twenty20 for Yorkshire, he stayed on for five overs, conceded only 13 runs, and picked up the wicket of Powell courtesy of an outstanding reaction catch at short extra by Chris Jordan, who dived to snatch the ball an inch off the ground.

Smith fell tamely when James Tredwell became the second offspinner to make an impact, the ball popping into the leg side off bat and pad whereupon Jos Buttler scuttled around from behind the stumps to take a catch upheld on review.

Bresnan also intervened, bowling Kirk Edwards off his pads, another indication of a lack of pace in the pitch. It was a promising opportunity for Moeen to purvey some debut offspin and he, too, took a wicket in only his second over, having Darren Bravo lbw; Bravo's attempt to overturn the decision by recourse to the third umpire coming to naught.

West Indies recovery began with a hard-working stand of 108 in 25 overs between Dwayne Bravo and Lendl Simmons, who escaped a tough stumping opportunity on 30, and who had made 65 from 94 balls when he was deceived by a slower ball from Bresnan. What had been witnessed was a normal recovery, but Bravo shifted from orthodoxy to innovation at exactly the right time, Sammy puffed out that big chest of his and the unfettered assault that followed in the closing overs will concern England. 1-0 down: two to play.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by BellaCricket on (March 2, 2014, 14:47 GMT)

Vivek Shan, totally agree! It is Sammy who made the game what it was. Wayne Campbell, I don't know if you actually got to watch the game live from the stadium but I was there and it was Sammy who captained the game, not Bravo. It was Sammy who also bowled brilliantly and batted superbly, not Bravo...still wondering why Bravo got man of the match.

Why is Sammy so underated, is it because he is a genuine and good person who has cricket at heart?

Posted by android_user on (March 2, 2014, 11:24 GMT)

ENGLANDEXPECTS get this into your psychi. An opponent is only weak on paper. In the heat of battle winning is achieved by him who persists. On their current form why would you interperate WI vs ENG with their new experinental team as anything more than two evenly matched sides? The fact the the WI having seen their results from India and NZ boosted by the NZ vs India matches gives them extra confidence that they can carryon with ENG where AUS left off. Your name does imply and insular view.

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 6:29 GMT)

Good job Windies! We showed a lot of character. Stayed focused and strategic in throughout!

Only goes to show how good we can be when we maintain a can do mentality no matter the odds stacked against us!

Bravo's leadership of the ODI squad is improving and he seems to be entering a new level of mental maturity not being as impulsive and/or over adventurous in both his batting and bowling as was the case before.

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (March 2, 2014, 3:04 GMT)

Congrats to West Indies on their victory. Not surprised that England is losing matches with this consistency. Something is not right with England and India.

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 2:58 GMT)

The last 3 games WI won in any format, came due to major contributions from Sammy. This one, the ODI Win in India and a T20

Posted by   on (March 1, 2014, 20:19 GMT)

The repurcussions of dropping Pieterson is showing up and it wont be long until they ask for him to represent England again. Also well done Moeen on your debut.

Posted by ENGLANDEXPECTS on (March 1, 2014, 18:16 GMT)

How can England be considering Ashley Giles as their Director of cricket. He should be sacked immediately from his position as limited overs coach. We are losing match after match from winning positions against poor opponents. Once again the same old problem, lose a couple of wickets so we stop scoring and let the rate build up to eleven an over, then when its to late and with four wickets in hand realise we better try and hit a few boundaries. England are playing boring, negative cricket in all formats. Results will not turn around until we get positive and attack.

Posted by   on (March 1, 2014, 17:51 GMT)

Lots of people talked about how ENG let the game slip away from them in both innings after great starts... no mention about WI holding their nerves after bad starts to finish both innings well.

Posted by   on (March 1, 2014, 15:58 GMT)

Glad England lost. Ever since they sacked Pietersen, I want them to lose every game this year until they beg him to come back. Nice hundred from Lumb though.

Posted by jb633 on (March 1, 2014, 14:44 GMT)

Another dismal display with the same old problems. No death bowling and we get clattered in the final overs and lack of power hitting means we can't chase anything above 240. We have deteriorated into a seriously poor side.

Posted by android_user on (March 1, 2014, 14:31 GMT)

well played Moeen on his debut for England

Posted by android_user on (March 1, 2014, 13:39 GMT)

congrats WI hope to win the next one as well let's take it one game at a time go windies

Posted by android_user on (March 1, 2014, 13:15 GMT)

@David Filcher Jordan went around the park before England batted. If he is the reason England failed then perhaps he sould open the batting and bat through????

Posted by USA_Res on (March 1, 2014, 13:02 GMT)

I see plenty of English comments, but they are difficult to identify because they have not trumpet to blow.

The difference in this match was quite simple. WI last 5 overs 80+, English last 5 overs ~30.

England should have been chasing 200-220, and unfortunately they played like that was the case.

They don't seem to be able to modify their plan when the situations change.

Posted by   on (March 1, 2014, 12:37 GMT)

With Jordan going round the park why didn't Ben Stokes bowl?

Posted by   on (March 1, 2014, 12:28 GMT)

Shocking. Broad, the captain and by far the most experienced and probably best bowler (on either side) getting the new bowlers to bowl his overs for him? Why? Allowing the WI to measure up part timers and keeping them bowling too long. Root is NOT a 9 or 10 over a match bowler and may never be. That insistence on bowling as close to the offside tram line as possible - and carrying on and getting wound up about it when it clearly wasn't working. The only bowler with the skill set to do that was Broad - yet he left it Jordan to do his job for him! The batting? What was THAT all about? So many wickets in hand , so many capable batters still to come out yet those at the crease nudge and push the ball about and fail to reach a target which at 150 odd for 2 looked to be such a simple task.

England... this is RUBBISH! Rubbish captaincy, rubbish batting and some rubbish bowling. Lumb and Moeen - well done. The rest of you.. SHOCKING!

Posted by xylo on (March 1, 2014, 11:23 GMT)

If Morgan and Hales had been around, England would have had some idea of chasing down a 250+ total in the absence of KP. The XI that played were as negative in their attitude like Giles in his playing days. But then, England have "moved past" KP and the dressing room is a "better place"...who cares about what happens in the middle?

Posted by android_user on (March 1, 2014, 11:19 GMT)

England are worse off without Petersen and lost every match since he was dropped. I cannot understand why they end his career while he was actually their best player. Wake up selecters.

Posted by geoffboyc on (March 1, 2014, 10:24 GMT)

Broad has said the England bowling in the last ten cost them the game. So why did he only bowl six overs while the bowlers getting hit bowled more and others none at all? On a broader point, England, when selecting the squad or managing the bowlers, didn't seem sure whether they were warming up for a future 20/20 tournament or trying to win an ODI

Posted by android_user on (March 1, 2014, 10:19 GMT)

another member of big 3 got down. pooooor performance by england

Posted by BailsRgo on (March 1, 2014, 9:54 GMT)

Extremely poor quality game only enlivened by the laughable collapse of the 'new-era' England team. They obviously have not dealt with the 'issues' that so affect them - maybe they should call for Pietersen, so they can still blame him for all their troubles. Ashley Giles no doubt disappointed that this will dent his non-existant reputation for the England coaches job - good !!!

Posted by   on (March 1, 2014, 9:32 GMT)

feel sorry about England.......

Posted by android_user on (March 1, 2014, 9:18 GMT)

@JoshFromJamRock easier said than done. In the middle you have to play the game against an opposition with their own plans. The first psycological foil was where England opened with spin; most likely a controlling card for a shot a ball Smith. That immediately makes him cautious about being bowled by Root. Once your team lose earky wickets to the "lesser known" bowlers then plan B, C, D come into the dressing room. If the team has to contend with more than plan A and B you are in a situation which is seldomly to familiar in WI teams known as panic. Plan B, should always bring you back on course to plan A.

Posted by Manxmuppet on (March 1, 2014, 9:17 GMT)

The thing that I can't work out is the total and utter lack of fight from England (in all formats). To score 35 in the last 5 overs when you have wickets in hand is almost unheard of in limited overs cricket, at any level. England batsmen seem terrified of risk and it is, quite frankly upsetting to watch.

Something needs to change in the mentality and attitude of the England dressing room, and quick.

Well done to Lumb and Ali, who both did exactly what was required of them with aplomb though

Posted by android_user on (March 1, 2014, 8:57 GMT)

@Rally The fastest trains must observe all signals along its route. I di not use speed as a measure of a bowler's effectiveness. In a 50 over game. I look at how best a bowler's 60 balls if he had to bowl a full quota helped to decide the result. There is no column added to the standard scorecard for speed of delivery. There are dots, digits and symbols to denote every delivery becsuse of the significance in the overall result.

Posted by southstoke49 on (March 1, 2014, 8:33 GMT)

I enjoyed Wright's masterclass in trying to fill in for KP. Almost bowled first ball, a few ungainly hacks that found fielders, a couple of defensive shots, an aerial slog that luckily dropped between fielders for one (his only run), before it all got too much and he guided an innocuous delivery into cover's hands. But don't worry he's a good chap in the dressing room and a team man who takes pride playing for England.

Posted by 2929paul on (March 1, 2014, 8:25 GMT)

I'm going to repeat to all those who want KP back in the team. He hasn't performed for five years in the ODI team other than two knocks in consecutive games in Dubai in 2012. England's most successful ODI batsman in recent years has been Trott.

I'll also say again that this is their T20 team. I believe that Broad did not bowl at the death because they were experimenting to see how others might cope under pressure. Clearly they have a lot to learn.

The biggest disappointment for me was the batting. Bopara has failed time and again in this position, although we were given a lesson in how to bowl at the death, as well as how to bat.

Morgan's absence was also sorely felt, our best middle order player of recent years. If fit, I assume both he and Hales will come in for tomorrow. Wright showed again why he is a T20 specialist, as he doesn't quite know whether to stick or twist in the longer format. In T20 he just goes out and has a go as he knows his role.

Posted by IndiaNumeroUno on (March 1, 2014, 8:10 GMT)

"Broad, skippering England in this series, sought an explanation from the umpire Marais Erasmus"... Really? and he got away without getting fined?.

Posted by Ali_Chaudhary on (March 1, 2014, 7:53 GMT)

It was Sammy who won it for WI. Who gives this Mom? Must be sleeping while the match was being played. Sammy first batted brialliantly and then bowled when Lumb and co were cruising. His economical spell and blitz batting won it for windies.

Posted by Rally_Windies on (March 1, 2014, 7:31 GMT)

why is anyone surprised by Broad's elevation ? Clearing KP out of the team was the only way Broad could lead.

England Needs KP more than Broad and Prior ,

England could have won this game....

They need to drop the childish bullies and punish them ...

I never understood how KP could be punished for RESPONDING to teasing and pranks and the pranksters get away without even a slap on the wrists .....

Posted by vishwa1111 on (March 1, 2014, 7:30 GMT)

@ Stewart Cruttenden...So England dressing room should be the only one in the world that happy with loss's....With KP, England is good(Not the best).....Without KP England is nothing.......This only is the start of lossing..prior,cook,broad thought their ashes lost can hide by sacking peterson..RIP england cricket.....Jokers

Posted by 200ondebut on (March 1, 2014, 7:30 GMT)

Broad was not only invisible as captain - but quite clearly lacked the bottle to bowl himself (as the most senior bowler) in the closing overs. Pathetic attempt to preserve his figures.

The middle order clearly lacked the presence that KP would have given. I dont even think a club side would be fearful of it.

So this is the new era - heartless captaincy, inept bowling and insipid middle order batting. Great.

PS Well done the debutants.

Posted by salazar555 on (March 1, 2014, 7:26 GMT)

How can a so-called batsman bat in the last 10 overs, finish not out and not score a boundary when the rate is 10-15 per over?

I think it's impossible, most people would think it impossible, Bopara has proven it is possible.

Posted by ihaq1 on (March 1, 2014, 7:23 GMT)

i think selection being totally inadequate to the situation...gurney, eoin should come in for bresnan and bopara...one fails to understand why bresnan and bopara were not taking the bowling apart...bopara can at least do that...and why stokes and bopara did not bowl...englands spinners should learn from Narine

Posted by CodandChips on (March 1, 2014, 7:15 GMT)

Have been calling the heads of Wright, Bopara & Bresnan for a while but I keep getting criticised for doing so. Anybody still want them?

Sammy & Bravo stood up and delivered- fair play considering all the criticism they get.

Broad not bowling his full 10 is surprising, as is Stokes & Bopara not bowling at all.

Moeen played well but should watch his strike rate. Lumb played well, especiallly considering many people think he's just a slogger. I myself was pleasantly surprised by how he played

Stokes career ODI stats are still terrible but he's young so deserves anothe change

Posted by milepost on (March 1, 2014, 7:12 GMT)

England lose again. Drama on the field, drama off it. How low can it go for England?

Posted by salazar555 on (March 1, 2014, 7:10 GMT)

Can someone tell me what Bopara is doing when he scores 21 not out in the last 10 overs? He didn't even hit one boundary. Talk about a player playing for his average and not the team. Unreal that he has managed to play 100 games.

Final 10 overs with the ball and the final 10 overs with the bat cost England.

Posted by Rastus on (March 1, 2014, 6:29 GMT)

At least the team are having a nice time in the "dressing room". Unfortunately the fans only see the mess on the field.

Posted by   on (March 1, 2014, 6:27 GMT)

Yes, but the dressing room's a lot happier now. That's what matters.

Posted by rodzstars on (March 1, 2014, 6:26 GMT)

We'll done windies good leadership bravo and sammy. Good knock Simmons .cricket is pressure we won today cause we never cracked we stayed in it till d end .hope we cud c more of dis . Good go narine smith and rampaul .lets start over and bat 50overs again in game 2.

Posted by android_user on (March 1, 2014, 6:25 GMT)

@sameer dave. absolutely.. cent percent agreement with ur views..

Posted by Rajeshj on (March 1, 2014, 6:17 GMT)

Pathetic captaincy from Broad.. Quite strange to see the ECB appointing him as captain in shorter formats.. He lacks everything that a leader requires.. Sammy is such a delight to watch and I would say WI is touch lucky to have such a guy in their team..

Posted by android_user on (March 1, 2014, 6:01 GMT)

inshAllah big three will lose after this monopoly in cricket

Posted by wapuser on (March 1, 2014, 5:48 GMT)

Not sure how this kind of batting is a test for T20

Posted by   on (March 1, 2014, 5:33 GMT)

England lost the Ashes due to Pietersen ( as he was the fall-out guy ), then they lost the one day series in australia due to pieteresen. then, they lost to below par west indies team again due to pietersen. If you don't pick him, this is gona happen.Soon, England will rest in peace due to pietersen.

Posted by MeijiMura on (March 1, 2014, 5:02 GMT)

England folding to record yet another loss - so what's new?

If England have finally decided that Michael Lumb is good enough to open the batting for them in ODIs then they should partner him with Alex Hales (when fit).

I think it is wrong for England to pigeonhole Hales as just a T20 player.

A Lumb-Hales opening partnership in ODI cricket is the way forward for England. They'll be far more competitive and win many more games with them at the top of the order than not.

Posted by mohanram82 on (March 1, 2014, 4:33 GMT)

You england please dont play any cricket without KP.. orelse this what will happen.. even if you lose to afghanistan we wont surprise without the legend KP..( the only trusted player in odi's for england)..

Posted by wapuser on (March 1, 2014, 4:21 GMT)

Why is the commentary so one sided pertaining to what England did not do as opposed to what Windies did? Windies just outbatted them on the day

Posted by Sinhaya on (March 1, 2014, 3:36 GMT)

Yet another game of fortunes swinging like a seesaw as shown by the Asia Cup game between India and Sri Lanka last night. West Indies have shown today that they can survive sans Gayle, Roach, Samuels and Pollard etc. Sammy's cameo has played a big part in WI triumph too.

Posted by neil99 on (March 1, 2014, 3:20 GMT)

Absolutely awful team performance, despite some top order sucess. A second rate team beaten by a better second rate team. Further evidence of heads still deeply buried in the sand, if England think they can rock up with nunerous senior players at home, let a team off the hook from 45-4 and concede 70 in the last 4 ovs.

Clearly attitudes have not changed despite the Ashes debacle. If this is a sign of what Ashley Giles has in store for the test side then all England fans should look to the heavens for help.

The England set up has imploded, carnage more deep and devastating then I feared. I've not felt this way about our great game for over 25 yrs.

Posted by Alexei on (March 1, 2014, 3:12 GMT)

This must be Bravo's best run of ODI batting form for a LONG while. Lara often had to remind him that he's a BATTING allrounder and that he should pull his weight. Even I have been critical of his batting especially as captain. But since the start of the NZ series, he's been on top of his game at the ODI level, I think its been two 40's, a 35, two half centuries and a century in about 7 innings. Sammy too has been scoring alot of runs and if Bravo didn't score this much runs, I'd reckon Sammy's average would have passed Bravo's batting average. If these two and Ramdin can keep up their runs with the bat, with a stable top order the WI should do well in NZ and AUS next year.

Posted by vishwa1111 on (March 1, 2014, 3:11 GMT)

And broad thought they can win without KP...many more loss's to come

Posted by Rally_Windies on (March 1, 2014, 2:38 GMT)

nah delboy, Holder is fast,,, if anything he is at least that ...

Posted by zaidvi on (March 1, 2014, 2:35 GMT)

RUBBISH from England. Even Chris Martin, McGrath, Walsh or Kaneria would have scored 90 off 78 balls.

Posted by   on (March 1, 2014, 2:02 GMT)

Bopara - the finisher who never finishes the games - was the biggest loser today :P , England once again showed how can one lose a game after getting way ahead in the game twice..hope they lose more since they dumped KP :P

Posted by sheku125 on (March 1, 2014, 2:01 GMT)

Come on England Fans. The captain is not even willing to bowl in death overs when things are not in bowlers' favor. Instead, he asks his rookies like Jordan and Part time spinner to handle the Job. Sheer cowardice. England can win an odd one day match here and there. But not on a consistent basis unless they have their home in order. You need better batters. Bowlers are anyway clobbered under the new rules in One Day through out the World unless the wickets favour the spinners or really sluggish. But still to concede 85 runs in 5 overs is just too much in this wicket.

Posted by   on (March 1, 2014, 1:37 GMT)

It will be a hard ask to tamper with a winning combination but W.I. must include Nikita Miller in the 2nd O.D.I. The nature of the pitch demands it.Miller will be a perfect foil to the wily Narine. England's task will be made more difficult -especially in the middle overs.Stay focused Windies. Congratulations!

Posted by Mipixx on (March 1, 2014, 1:20 GMT)

So this is the stronger England Matt Prior thinks exists now KP isn't in it? So why isn't he in it, then?

Posted by   on (March 1, 2014, 0:56 GMT)

No English commenting. Looks like they are still too focused on Australia after the whitewash.

Posted by   on (March 1, 2014, 0:53 GMT)

England continue to be masters at losing the plot halfway through an innings. Bowling rubbish from 30 overs in and seemingly no idea with the bat after a good start. Still I'm sure all we need is a breakfast coach and an sfter dinner coach to add to the growing entourage of ex players on the gravy train when we need competent ones on the field.

Against a West indies attack which is the very definition of mediocre and even sporting an extremely rotund Rampaul England still managed to squeeze out yet another loss.

Wright has never had the class and still doesn't, Bresnan remains adequate but no match winner and Bopara is well past his sell by date. This is no new approach from England simply a pretence. Broad was a laughable choice as Twenty20 captain and even more so in the ODI's. As arguably our best and most experienced bowler he forgot to use himself.

Good performances by the newbies, crap from the old guard.

Posted by android_user on (March 1, 2014, 0:32 GMT)

Thanks for getting rid of KP for us. WI whooped you all good. If he was here we won't be celebrating.

Posted by   on (March 1, 2014, 0:09 GMT)

Good start from England with both bat and ball. Then they utterly screwed up with both at the end. Bad batting, bad bowling, bad organisation, bad selection and bad captaincy. England have forgotten how to win and how to be efficient.

Posted by dappasnappa533 on (March 1, 2014, 0:00 GMT)

people are always calling fr darren sammy's gead. its funny i think we should be calling for the head of darren bravo. the boy to me is nothing but a passenger

Posted by Roysingh1972 on (February 28, 2014, 23:09 GMT)

Sammy and Dwayne is on top of there game! Narine is the bowler and Simmons is good down the order, rest Holder and Derren Bravo and play two spinners with Samuel, that is the team for the next game! Go windies.

Posted by tutorial on (February 28, 2014, 23:01 GMT)

WI struggles against a weaken English team, Sarwan should take the place of kirk,also Beaton should be in the bowling attack,Sammy looks like a wild man with a bat and got very lucky,maybe he should play the lotto tonight,WICB don't get it at all,BUTTS,GIBSON please do WI cricket a favor and leave,you guys need to realize the team belongs to the people NOT WICB.

Posted by disco_bob on (February 28, 2014, 22:54 GMT)

England (and cricket spectators), may not have KP any longer, but they do have a much happier dressing room.

Posted by ruester on (February 28, 2014, 22:54 GMT)

2929paul I agree KP has not been a Kohli in the last five years in odi cricket but he is also vastly experienced and our BEST batsman, England have hardly set the world on fire as a team. playing Lumb on debut is not hope for a new future despite his hundred. think you are unfair to say KP walked out on England during the World Cup, he had a very bad knee injury which actually prevented him from playing for months afterwards. KP is our best player and ECB dump him, I'm happy England lost because it shows up the idiocy of the ECB management.

Posted by xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on (February 28, 2014, 22:50 GMT)

I will whisper it but ......... what if KP had played?

England lose by just 15 runs with 4 wickets in hand and a run rate of only 6 per over the last 7 overs with a game to be won. Maybe these guys are so passionate about "playing for England" they do not dare being dropped by winning for England. Perhaps KP didn't fully comprehend this difference and that's why he was sacked.

Well, as long as the dressing room is happy ........

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (February 28, 2014, 22:47 GMT)

Didnt see the game but by the sound of things its the same old story. Congrats WI.

Posted by espncricinfomobile on (February 28, 2014, 22:42 GMT)

Well done West Indies Keep sinking the big three!

Posted by JoshFromJamRock on (February 28, 2014, 22:36 GMT)

Good performance by WI. The top order's rotation of strike is still a major issue. As a result they allowed 8 overs of maidens to be bowled. Smith, Powell and lil Bravo (The future top 3) should look to take advantage of the first 10 overs by playing aerial shots since gap piercing isn't their forte. Leave the middle over nudging to Simmons and Ramdin. Sammy and Bravo will deal with the last 15 overs. Narine, Holder and Rampaul can do a bit of batting if needs be.

1)Powell 2)Smith 3)Bravo 4)Simmons 5)Ramdin 6)Bravo 7)Sammy 8)Narine 9)Holder 10)Miller 11)Rampaul

Given the recently improved reliability of Sammy and Bravo, WI could play Miller as the second spinner next match as I have doubts about Edwards. Gayle and Samuels aren't needed right now. Their ageing, out of form and they have a lackadaisical attitude which is negatively contagious for the young and determined players coming up. Shiv and Sars don't have a chance.

England played well but.....CHOKED....big time.

Posted by   on (February 28, 2014, 22:34 GMT)

"Wided ???" Where the hell did that word come from ??

Posted by lyl67 on (February 28, 2014, 22:28 GMT)

West Indies did very well by coming back to win this game, however I cannot understand the reluctance to play Miller on this wicket. The selectors in my opinion has got away with this error. The top order apply themselves better in the early overs at times it seemed they were playing a test match always forward defensive whats about working on playing the ball in a gap and running singles.

Posted by JG2704 on (February 28, 2014, 22:27 GMT)

Ctd re Narine - If he is that unplayable then our batsmen need to make a point of trying to get way ahead of the game and allow for Narine going between 3 and 4 an over. In general I felt we were too lax in the chase with the attitude seeming to be that they all left it to each other in the chase rather than show any authority/ruthlessness. Congrats the debut boys - esp Lumb - and great from Tredwell but there are still many things we need to still address - esp rotating the strike and the running in general

Posted by souwesterly on (February 28, 2014, 22:21 GMT)

Phew....any good points for England?

Lumb's ton - excellent.

Root's opening spell and perhaps Bresnan's bowling.

And the bad points.

Lumb losing concentration after his ton.

5 out of 8 batsmen were a waste of space.

Using Root at the death.

Jordan's bowling.

If Lumb had been out to that 3rd ball he faced, England might have been lucky to reach 150 let alone 250.

Very disappointed.....

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (February 28, 2014, 22:16 GMT)

@ CodandChips I think Broad saw the way Bravo and Sammy were striking and thought he'd have a kitkat . . .

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (February 28, 2014, 22:14 GMT)

@salazar555 Your comments must seem stupid now ? I told you don't write off W.I in the short format. They recently smoked NZ away in the only 2 full length games the last one scoring world record 360 plus without Gayle Samuels Sammy or Darren Bravo v the same bowling attack that just whitewashed full strength India 4-0. Boycott called Bravo the best all rounder across all 3 formats a couple months ago and after watching his performance today and in NZ it would be hard for anyone to argue, some serious batting remarkable shots clever bowling, top fielding and cool headed captaincy. Sammy and Simmons were also brilliant great start for the series I'd expect Sundays game will now be an incredible atmosphere.

Posted by JG2704 on (February 28, 2014, 22:10 GMT)

Well played WI. Great rescue act from Bravo and Sammy with the bat and Narine/Sammy with the ball. Sammy is a gem and possibly my favourite non English player. I love the guy's enthusiasm and maybe the last of the games true characters. As for England - a predictable choke after starting both inns so well in the field and with the bat. For the 1st 20 overs+ they seemed to squeeze well in the field but unfortunately Bravo and Sammy's blitz at the end took the score about 40+ more than it looked at the halfway stage. After the opening partnership all our batsmen seemed to want to share in the responsibility of losing the game and didn't the share it well. It seems to be a regular pattern - being bogged down by spin. Is Narine that hard to play or are we mentally bamboozled by him? Australia used to get choked by Swann and Tredwell but they seemed to change tact and get after them a bit more and it seemed to work. I wonder if our batsmen should do similar with Narine?

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (February 28, 2014, 22:04 GMT)

How the hell? Bopara comes in when Required Rate is over 10 and plays 24 balls yet doesn't manage even ONE boundary?

Posted by espncricinfomobile on (February 28, 2014, 22:00 GMT)

I've been hearing the same rubbish about England's ODI strategy (or lack of) since the 1992 World Cup. It's so boring. The chopping and changing will continue till February 2015. Yawn!

Posted by android_user on (February 28, 2014, 21:58 GMT)

Alas the big 3 lose again. We should call them the three big losers!

Posted by wapuser on (February 28, 2014, 21:57 GMT)

I think england knw hw to loose from winning matches.....ravi booara is shame ......he is just a waste.....y stuard broad not bowld.....o he was skppr....cnt use himself....yuvi smackd him na

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 28, 2014, 21:55 GMT)

Well done WI; not a complete disaster for England, and certainly a few positive signs there indeed (cracking debuts there!). England's play/tactics at the death of innings has been a major weakness for some time now. The Dernbach experiment worked for a while (he used to be a brilliant death bowler, honest!) - but once that went awry I don't think I've seen any sort of recovery; and then batting-wise, you're always left feeling "they could have done better". Not much in it at the end, and both teams should focus on the positives for next game I guess. That said (and I'll probably be alone here), I do miss Trott at 3! Always preferred a grafter at 3 (unless the openers set a decent platform), otherwise we'll just see this annoying leapfrogging between the likes of Stokes and Wright for quite some time with no real consistency from either. Bell should open with Lumb, and Ali could bat at three in future?

Posted by class9ryan on (February 28, 2014, 21:51 GMT)

West Indies top order needs to pull up their socks, they can't afford to be that inconsistent.

Posted by KingSalz on (February 28, 2014, 21:50 GMT)

Oh Dear, with KP, England were at the 'very least' competitive, but without him they're hopeless!!! Com'on England. I can once again see an Asian domination. The Asian teams are so much stronger then England, Ireland, New Zealand and maybe even Australia. I reckon if Afghanistan get a few decent matches @ England, it won't take much time for the inevitable. Although England is not my team, I'm a massive admirer of the team, and I want to see them close to the top of the rankings and that too, without the dodgy rankings system.

Posted by FOUR-REAL-QUICKS on (February 28, 2014, 21:48 GMT)

delboy, "In my estimation WI does not have ANY QUICK bowlers, hence my emphasis."

If you refer to this actual squad then yes, one would have to agree. Holder is the sharpest - he has notably increased in pace over the last 6 months or so, now a fast-medium bowler rater than a medium-fast. However, there are several genuine quicks in the region - with Ronsford Beaton probably the fastest of the bunch. The young Guyana speedster is "distinctly rapid" (Tony Cozier's words). Watch out for him, he has a good action and delivers from a steep angle. Yuvraj compared him to a young (Sir) Ambrose. When I watched him bowl, he reminded me of the young Kiwi speedster Adam Milne, another who has plenty of pace. Current WI U-19 bowler Ray Jordan also bowls quickly, hitting 90mph in the recent competition. And, he has a knack for taking wickets regularly. Others who bowl sharply include Cottrrell and the more familiar Best, Roach, Taylor etc

Posted by android_user on (February 28, 2014, 21:47 GMT)

what a disaster chase middle ovz wer too boring and slow and Root is just over rated he shud just stick to test ckt he is to slow and let the rate climb and put pressure on others to score at 10 against Narine which waz never gonna happen.poor bowling didplay death bowling needs alot of working on.!!!

Posted by CodandChips on (February 28, 2014, 21:45 GMT)

Bopara failing again in a chase. Wright batting abysmally. Bresnan very ordinary all round.

Good mature innings from Lumb (well he is 34)

Posted by CodandChips on (February 28, 2014, 21:42 GMT)

Is forfeiting winning positions part of being English? Not just cricket (again and again), but also rugby, football, Lewis Hamilton in his first season.

Posted by USA_Res on (February 28, 2014, 21:38 GMT)

Again, it was embarrassing to watch the England bowlers being taken apart by the opposition, and WI ending up with 50 runs more than they should have had. Add to that the fact that England don't seem to know when it is time to stop defending, racking up dotballs, and attack. When the game is as good as lost and the asking rate is over 10, you might as well "go for it".

Posted by onebump on (February 28, 2014, 21:38 GMT)

Bring back KP! Need a match winner! Send cook home. Nowwww!,,,

Posted by espncricinfomobile on (February 28, 2014, 21:38 GMT)

No bigs in cricket big is the winner only!

Posted by geoffboyc on (February 28, 2014, 21:37 GMT)

Yes, England are certainly doing better without KP. And hasn't Ashley made a wonderful start prior (no pun intended) to his official appointment as Head Coach??

Posted by TurningSquare on (February 28, 2014, 21:37 GMT)

Wow, I just want to say to the rest of the world, we are NOT proud of our current team, it's incredibly embarrassing and I know how much you all love ripping on them anyway. Ravi Bopara and Tim Bresnan at the end were truly pathetic hacking the odd single and way too many dot balls.Their attempt at attacking strokes at the death were abysmal and resembled school children everything was a leg side hack, not to mention they couldn't even hit the ball!

Posted by Rahul_78 on (February 28, 2014, 21:36 GMT)

Bopara the master of inconsequential runs and not outs at the death. An english side falls short of 15 runs with 4 wickets in hand when their designated finisher is at the creese is pretty baffling. Three were no extra ordinary bowlers balling in the end. Boparas 23 balls 23 runs effort stands out as sore thumb. Time for Broad and Giles to shake things up and get some real finishers in the team to do the business.

Posted by Harlequin. on (February 28, 2014, 21:35 GMT)

Back when Trott was scoring 70's for fun, it was always his fault when England lost.

KP was the top run scorer in the Ashes but it was his fault that England got hammered.

So carrying on the trend, I guess England fans should be blaming Lumb for this defeat.

Posted by   on (February 28, 2014, 21:34 GMT)

Oh for God's sake.... my prediction England could win can be retracted.... No Hales, no Morgan?? That was the LAST thing a side now missing KP needed. West Indies did it easy. Annoying. Bet the pitch was a lifeless turd.

Posted by Bondre on (February 28, 2014, 21:31 GMT)

so disappointed at englands chasing ability. going at less than 6 an over in the last ten basically, cant say how poor that is

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (February 28, 2014, 21:28 GMT)

I always said Simmons was far better in the middle order for international cricket than opening; glad WI finally saw sense again. Can't stop smiling seeing Joe Root listed as the opening bowler. What is going on with Bopara constantly underbowled? Seems a solid opening by England is going to be wasted here.

Posted by Roshan_P on (February 28, 2014, 20:17 GMT)

Yes as I said I'd probably not play Wright at all. Maybe replace him with a better batsman, as the team seems to have four specialist bowlers and more than enough all-rounders and part-timers now, which should be perfect for ODIs. I'd move Bopara up to 3, a more natural position for a batsman of his quality. Wright has played 48 ODIs at an average of 21.39 and a high score of 52. His T20 stats are much better, and doubtless he would be better as a finisher or a middle-order slogger than a Number 3.

Posted by Roshan_P on (February 28, 2014, 20:03 GMT)

Lumb seems a good player. I remember he played well in the IPL one year. But I still don't understand Luke Wright at 3. He's more of a slogger or a finisher, and to be honest he's not that great at all. If you are going to play him have him at 6 or 7 and let him bowl a bit, and put Bopara at 3. I cannot believe a class ODI batsman such as Bopara is batting at 6 or 7. He's not a finisher like Buttler, he needs time to cement a good innings and he can do just that at 3, and he's in good form too. BOPARA AT 3!!!!!!!!

Posted by CodandChips on (February 28, 2014, 19:30 GMT)

Luke Wright at 3 was always going to be a disaster.

Call be a pessimist but not that much of an imagination stretch to 200 all out. Good thing Broad's at 10.

Posted by 2929paul on (February 28, 2014, 19:12 GMT)

Anyone who thinks we will miss KP from the one day team should check his performances over the last five years. Nothing much to write home about other than the two centuries in Dubai. And he declared himself injured and walked out on them during the 2011 World Cup. This is an England team that is put together in preparation for the World T20. I don't think they are too bothered about these three ODIs and are using them to test things out. They haven't taken the 50 over specialists as they want to build the T20 squad together for as long as possible. The three T20s that follow will be where they will be more concerned to see success.

Posted by CodandChips on (February 28, 2014, 18:54 GMT)

@salazar555 give the kid a chance. He was one of the best bowlers in the ODIs vs Aus, and one of the best bowlers in county cricket last season. Compare to Bresnan who had just 3 good games the whole ashes tour, the rest of the time he was innocuous and expensive. So much for a senior player.

Not a bad start from the openers (touchwood). Lumb showing he's more than the slogger people built him up to be (also it does a disservice to his half-decent championship season). He's certainly batted better (so far) than I expected him to, and he's a better player than many of us (including me) give hi credit for.

Posted by Parousia on (February 28, 2014, 18:53 GMT)

Lumb is a class act & so is Sammy & Bravo in the shorter format.. Looks like Enlgland have a new Amla Clone (left-handed) though..

Posted by Parousia on (February 28, 2014, 18:45 GMT)

i hope Lumb does well.. he's a class act who doesnt often get an opportunity to showcase his stalent in the 50 over format

Posted by salazar555 on (February 28, 2014, 18:38 GMT)

@cod and chips

Jordan certainly cannot afford to have a terrible game. He has done ok since coming in but nothing more than ok. Before today he was taking wickets in ODI's at 33 after today that's probably more like 35-40.

Not good enough. He needs to get his act together quick because a few more performances like today and his career will be a short one.

Bresnan took 3 wickets at 6.8, compared to Jordan's zero wickets at 7.5 it was world class.

Posted by android_user on (February 28, 2014, 18:30 GMT)

waoo a new Amla but left hand

Posted by delboy on (February 28, 2014, 18:25 GMT)

@Rally_Windies you obviously did not get my point. In my estimation WI does not have ANY QUICK bowlers, hence my emphasis. If my intent was to focus on grammar style would have been used as emphasis instead of CASE.

Posted by CodandChips on (February 28, 2014, 18:04 GMT)

Hopefully Hales and Morgan's injuries aren't too serious. Need KP and Vince/Taylor/Ballance on standby.

Well batted Bravo and Sammy. Both have been heavily criticised but both have stood up and delivered.

Jordan can be forgiven for having one bad game, unlike Bresnan, who has had too many recently.

If Colly was 13th man, does that mean a 3rd player was injured?

Bopara and Wirght and Stokes not bowling. A 3 spinners bowled well bar that one over from Root.

Why did Broad only bowl 6? Is he slightly injured? Or just poor captaincy?

Arguably this is the one instance where you would want Cook and Bell opening (or it would at least be tollerable). Good luck to Lumb & Moeen though.

Posted by Rally_Windies on (February 28, 2014, 17:38 GMT)

@delboy - no Taylor, no Roach... Rampaul is Fast-Medium Bravo is Medium-Fast Sammy is Medium

For the "quicks" , Holder is one. You cannot Pluralize "ONE" ....

Posted by mohanram82 on (February 28, 2014, 17:20 GMT)

without KP... england are ZERO.. and its the time to read them..!!!

Posted by Mekkayel on (February 28, 2014, 17:14 GMT)

Can we all take a moment to appreciate how BRILLIANT Bravo has been performing since the NZ tour? Whatever he's doing, he should have done it over 100 matches ago 5 innings, 2 fifties, 1 hundred, 3 Not outs

Posted by salazar555 on (February 28, 2014, 17:08 GMT)

Rubbish from England, thrown a good position away. Those thinking Jordan was the saviour better think again, he was rubbish today.

Not good enough but it's what we've come to expect from England

Posted by delboy on (February 28, 2014, 16:46 GMT)

Now here is evidence how most of the current game is decided off the field of play. The opposition appear to have more analytical data than the home team. They have chosen a bowling attack and complementary batting to suit the conditions. Will (Would) WI open with Narine or as the experts in this forum keep preaching FOUR QUICKS? Jordan is either nervous or cannot believe he is playing against the WI in the Caribbean. Then again I will reserve my opinion on his bowling until the WI QUICKS have done their DAMAGE.

Posted by 2929paul on (February 28, 2014, 15:21 GMT)

Has anybody else noted that some of the England players are smiling? Almost as if they're enjoying playing cricket again.

Posted by A-Gunnie on (February 28, 2014, 15:12 GMT)

Have the W.I batsmen forgoten how to bat......Ireland now Eng !!

Posted by espncricinfomobile on (February 28, 2014, 14:56 GMT)

One major problem for WI especially in 1dayer is batters 1-5 seem unsure in roles.ie who anchors innings etc

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