West Indies v England, 2nd ODI, Antigua

Enigma Bopara stays cool in tricky chase

The Report by David Hopps

March 2, 2014

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England 163 for 7 (Lumb 39, Bopara 38) beat West Indies 159 (Simmons 70, Parry 3-32) by three wickets
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

Dobell: A much needed morale-boosting win

Ravi Bopara has been an England batting enigma: a man proud of his streetwise upbringing in East London but rarely able to bring that sense of astuteness to the 22 yards of turf that will make or break his cricketing reputation. But Bopara was calmness personified in Antigua as England batsmen flapped all around him and his unbeaten 38 secured a desperately-needed victory in a mundane contest.

This three-match series will be settled on the same ground on Wednesday and one hopes it will be more enthralling than this. At least England's stumbling display racked up the tension before they edged home by three wickets with more than five overs to spare. After a winter like the one they have endured, they will accept the win with relief.

A year ago, the England side contesting this ODI series in the Caribbean would have been presumed to be a 2nd XI. That might be regarded by some as an alibi, as a reason for patience, but without Bopara's poise, skittishly supported in an eighth-wicket stand of 58 by his captain Stuart Broad on a day when his luck was in, it would also have been presented as proof of the pitiful levels to which England's one-day cricket has sunk.

A turgid pitch, an eminently achievable target of 160 for all that, a maladroit batting performance: such was the story of a humdrum match in which England combined bewilderment against the spin of Sunil Narine with a series of soft dismissals. Had Broad's contest with Ravi Rampaul not been so blessed - a decision overturned on review, a hook falling safely at fine leg, a drop by Dwayne Bravo at slip - West Indies might have been celebrating a series win.


Ravi Bopara was very composed in getting England back on track, West Indies v England, 2nd ODI, North Sound, March 2, 2014
Ravi Bopara stayed cool to steer England home © Getty Images
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Shorn not just of the ego of Kevin Pietersen, but the more socially acceptable egos of Eoin Morgan and Alex Hales because of injury (the prognosis on both, incidentally, is more encouraging), England began by looking short of nous. Moeen Ali hooked into the wind, Luke Wright was bowled as he consistently failed to read Narine and when Michael Lumb's innings came to grief courtesy of Nikita Miller's lbw, self-doubt set in.

Root played Narine well, but he was deceived by a Dwayne Bravo delivery that stuck slightly in the wicket. Jos Buttler fell first ball, failing to ride the bounce of a bumper down the leg side, and Tim Bresnan was excellently run out by Dwayne Bravo from wide mid-on. In between that, Ben Stokes tickled Miller onto his pad and looped a catch to Denesh Ramdin, and chose to walk even as the umpire Joel Wilson shook his head. Stokes should not be castigated for his integrity, not for one moment, but one can bet that some place, some time, he will receive an homily about "professionalism".

If they were grateful for Stokes's honesty, West Indies had reason to be aggrieved about a pivotal event in their innings - the dismissal of Dwayne Bravo. From the moment TV umpire Marais Erasmus ruled Jos Buttler's stumping of Bravo was legitimate, West Indies' flow silted up like a Somerset river. The dismissal came the ball before the compulsory Powerplay and, instead of marching into it with two batsmen set - Bravo and Lendl Simmons - they reached it at 133 for 5 and lost five more wickets for 26, Rampaul illustrating their mental collapse when he holed out at long-off against James Tredwell with more than five overs left.

The on-field umpires had turned to Erasmus when Bravo was drawn down the pitch by Tredwell and Buttler lost the ball in the process of completing the stumping. Buttler conceded that he was unsure when the ball had escaped his grasp and TV replays seemed maddeningly inconclusive, but not so for Erasmus who ruled that Bravo was out. Ottis Gibson, West Indies' coach, did not hide his exasperation, rising from his laptop to hold out his hands towards the middle in disbelief.

Stephen Parry, England's debutant left-arm spinner, finished with three wickets and the man-of-the-match award. Parry is very much a one-day specialist, having played only six first-class matches by the age of 28. He acquitted himself well, showing none of the qualms suffered by another Lancashire slow left-armer, Simon Kerrigan, on his Test debut against Australia at The Oval last season.

His contribution in the batting Powerplay was crucial. Simmons had again played judiciously and when he struck Parry over long-on for six, the stakes were ramped up. Parry held his nerve, the next ball was a touch shorter, and Simmons's half-hearted attempt at a repeat fell well short. As West Indies fell away, Parry picked off Darren Sammy at short midwicket and had Sunil Narine stumped, this time a fail-safe affair from Buttler.

The first half of West Indies' innings was a drag. For those who missed the first one-day international in Antigua, the teams staged a repeat. England again managed four wickets by halfway, West Indies' top order played with a bit more energy, but effectively the outcome was the same: a collection of spin bowlers drawing suspicion from West Indies' batsmen as they wheeled away to good effect.

Root's dismissal of Kirk Edwards was the highlight, owing much to a fast catch by Tredwell at slip as the batsman tried to force through the offside. Broad had good moments against the Bravos, causing Darren to drag on from the wicket and finding enough venom in a bouncer to strike Dwayne on helmet and neck and necessitate treatment.

If Broad could therefore claim to have two Bravos, it was Bopara who ultimately got three cheers. Sheepish cheers perhaps, but it was a celebration that England desperately needed. "We made it quite hard work for ourselves," Broad said.

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Posted by rohanblue on (March 5, 2014, 5:46 GMT)

i dnt understand how two players bopara and rohit sharma keep getting so many chances? even though they perform once in 50 matches.......

Posted by riverlime on (March 4, 2014, 9:58 GMT)

@bobmartin... The ball never touched the stumps. It flew out of the keeper's gloves BEFORE he broke the wicket, and it is clearly visible on the slow-motion replays, hence the surprise exhibited on this forum by everyone who watched the game. Next time, please watch the game before you post a comment.

Posted by JG2704 on (March 4, 2014, 9:17 GMT)

@Patchmaster on (March 4, 2014, 0:38 GMT) To be fair to Bopara there was no need to up the pace here. I said at the time that even Ravi could not stagnate the RR to that degree and with the team looking likely to lose he did a decent job.

But yes it does not mean that this way of playing is acceptable in all circumstances and I found it hard to believe that some of our commentators wanted him batting up the order as high as 3. At least down the order he is less likely to damage the team when chasing a half decent total or setting a total

Posted by Patchmaster on (March 4, 2014, 0:38 GMT)

Typical Bopara - fails for a whole season, then makes a mediocre contribution, that glosses over his inability to score quickly and score under pressure, and he'll keep his place for another year. Tragic for Eng fans, as he'll just fail and fail again.

Posted by   on (March 4, 2014, 0:28 GMT)

People we have to be reasonable, England likewise West Indies suffered at the hands of the umpires. Now, based on the performance of both teams, do you honestly think that either team deserves a victory? absolutely not! I was really disappointed with the match, especially with most of the batsmen. I am happy to see that Jerome Taylor making some progress. There should be laws to govern how players retire in International cricket. If there was teams like England wont be affected.

Posted by RandyOZ on (March 4, 2014, 0:06 GMT)

With the mess that England has been left in since their 5-0 drubbing at the hand of Australia (the second in less than 10 years), an incredibly scrappy win against an awful WI side is the best they can hope for.

Posted by JG2704 on (March 3, 2014, 23:45 GMT)

Credit to Ravi here. He saw us through.

We were lucky towards the end of the chase and Bravo was wrongly given out in my book. It looked like Buttler moved the stump with his glove without the ball in it and Buttler's body language was not of someone who thought he had taken the wicket. Stokes walking was a strange one as it looked like the umpire wasn't giving it. Naivety or great sportsmanship walking? It's like Broad - should he be lambasted for not walking in the Ashes or commennded for having the wherewithal to stand his ground when the natural instinct would have been to walk?

Posted by geoffboyc on (March 3, 2014, 21:16 GMT)

Surprised to see people calling for Luke Wright to go. He may not score any runs or bowl many overs but he doesn't fall out with the skipper or undermine dressing room team spirit and surely that's more important.

Posted by SwingandSeam on (March 3, 2014, 18:18 GMT)

I see Jerome Taylor is ripping it up against Guyana. Where has he been the last few years? He might be worth a recall.

Posted by bobmartin on (March 3, 2014, 16:55 GMT)

So those people who are questioning the stumping of Bravo claim to know more about the laws of the game than an ICC Elite umpire. I suggest they acquaint themselves with the Laws.. The wicket was broken by the ball, not Buttler's gloves.. Therefore the decision of OUT was correct... Lucky dismissal ? Yes.. most definitely... But wrong decision ?... Most definitely NO.

Posted by delboy on (March 3, 2014, 15:44 GMT)

Before Jerome Taylor comes anywhere near the WI team again his agent should get him an IPL contract. If he has the appetite for the game at the end of that contract or continues to be interested in regional cricket then subject to performance he can be considered for WI. I suspect he is back in the game because he realises he is too young to retire on the Stanford million. Gibson has wrecked many careers but his reluctance to stick around like Sarwan, Gayle, Pollard and the others who continue to get gigs in the IPL, County Cricket (Sarwan) Leicestershire were available for their country (islands) at least.

Posted by pareshnv on (March 3, 2014, 15:11 GMT)

Go on Ravi Bopara.England should finally learn something from this.Always keep Bopara in the squad if games need to be won.Hope he also gets to bat up the order.

Posted by   on (March 3, 2014, 14:27 GMT)

Jerom Taylor should be selected and I would like to see Gibson is fired he is more than David Moyes for Manchester United.

Posted by   on (March 3, 2014, 14:14 GMT)

west indies players played according to their ability. west indies struggles must be placed squarly on the shoulders of the selectors and coach.they are incapable or refused to select players based on ability. carter and sarwan must be in this squad.get rid of gibson and the selectors.

Posted by   on (March 3, 2014, 13:35 GMT)

Dreadful game.

WI without Gayle & Pollard to name but two looked very ordinary, but they were still nearly good enough for England. How Bravo was given out stumped, only Erasmus knows.

The visitors made a meal of a paltry total. Luke Wright has played his last international game, he looks incapable of pushing the ball around and getting off strike. Shame, as I believe he was under utilised as a bowler.

Parry looks like he might have some mileage, and may get a look in at the T20 World Cup.

Posted by Juiceoftheapple on (March 3, 2014, 13:07 GMT)

Spinners dominating matches and low scoring = boring cricket. Not in my book. Crash bank wallop and 350 can be just as boring and far more one sided.

Posted by USA_Res on (March 3, 2014, 13:06 GMT)

Well England managed to claw victory from the jaws of victory.

I just dont get it, they have batting that goes all the way down to #9 (even allowing for the fact that the 1st string low order bats are missing). And even though they bowled and fielded to a great position (RRR = 3.20 in a 5--over match is as close as you will come to a "gimme"), They seem to insist on playing themselves into a losing position before they attempt to get the win. Fortunately, this time they succeeded.

It seemed to me that since the required rate was only 3.2, they looked like they decided "well we'll just score at 3.5, and we'll win in the end.

This match should have been over in ~35 overs.

Posted by 2929paul on (March 3, 2014, 12:29 GMT)

Again, do not judge this group of players as if they are the ODI team. It is the T20 squad and not the squad England would have picked if they were overly concerned about the three ODIs preceding the T20s. Wright would not be in their first choice. ODI team.

Separately, the second part of Boycott's career coincided with Botham's debut, followed a year later by Gower's, with the maverick Willis playing regularly in the same team. Explain how they are boring figures and not worth supporting please. His return actually coincided with a pretty successful time, albeit during Packer and with help from some "friends".

Posted by Hoggy_Bear on (March 3, 2014, 11:40 GMT)

People do realise, don't they, that two of the main batsmen in this squad, Morgan and Hales, are missing due to injury? That's why the side includes Wright and has 9 players who can bowl. In all likelihood, if those two were fit Wright and, possibly, one of Root/Ali would not be playing.

Posted by LeeJA on (March 3, 2014, 11:07 GMT)

This was the final chance for Wright I would imagine... shame for him that he has failed again

This is an extremely unbalanced England team... 9 players who can bowl, that's just excessive by any definition.

There are a number of players currently competing in this team for 1 place in the team. Stokes vs Bresnan, Root vs Ali, Parry vs Tredwell... depending on who comes back into the team. Cook, Bell, Anderson (should he concentrate on tests?), Trott, Morgan are all shoe-in's so this is competition for the other spots.

On a normal pitch I'd expect to see: Cook, Bell, Trott (Root), Morgan, Root (Ali), Buttler, Bopara, Stokes, Broad, Anderson, Jordan/Parry/Tredwell

Posted by geoffboyc on (March 3, 2014, 10:55 GMT)

Notwithstanding England managing to scrape a win together, this must be one of the poorest standard international cricket matches I've ever seen. West Indies batting was awful and still England fumbled their way into a losing position and needed some luck to get out of it. If results and performances are a "job interview" for Ashley Giles then send in the next candidate please.

Posted by jb633 on (March 3, 2014, 10:52 GMT)

One thing I can't work out is the way the commentators are talking about Narine. They keep saying he doesn't spin it much but time and again we see the ball spinning appreciably in both directions. On these pitches the guy is class.

Posted by jb633 on (March 3, 2014, 10:30 GMT)

@RoshanP, I would agree with you on Botham. Wilkinson was avery good player but he was moulded very much out of the coaching manual. Rooney has ability but look at the way he has been tainted by England trying to turn him into a midfielder. Remember the player that burst on our screens was an out and out goalscorer. Why did we try and change that? Flintoff was exciting but i wouldn't use flare to describe him. Even when we were winning games of cricket it was incredibly dull and I always had the feeling that if Aus or anyone else got their head above the parfait we would not be able to cope. @BenBradley, although I always want England to win I understood why other fans were incredibly happy to see us get hammered after boring the life out of neutrals for so long.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (March 3, 2014, 10:24 GMT)

Agree with notimeforcricket (post on March 3, 2014, 4:44 GMT): My patience has run out for Luke Wright. 50 matches now, and only twice passed 50! That is not good enough - England don't need his bowling, and as energetic as Wright is, England SERIOUSLY need to bolster their batting. Wright definitely out next game and get a decent batter in there. If Root and Ali are going to be used to fill a few over of bowling every game (provided the pitches are spinning), why not sacrifice a bowler or two to strengthen the batting - which is where England appear to be nothing short of fragile. We seriously need decent, experienced batters like Bell, Trott and Morgan back imminently.

Posted by   on (March 3, 2014, 10:24 GMT)

Why do people always go on about second string XI after the event. All international teams selected are representive of what is available at that particular time. England have a vast array from which the could select a squad for this trip. The XI put on the pitch each time need to man up and be thankful of the opportunities which the umpire grant the along with the frailty and vulnerability of the WI to cope whenever a decision go against them. Had the WI not panicked 250 would be way out of England's reach. This time around I would like to see the WI chase.

Posted by   on (March 3, 2014, 10:12 GMT)

WI need one change for the next game. Out Darren Bravo, in Marlon Samuels. They could also consider Fletcher in for Ramdin. Those who cannot get over Pieterson's England career being over get use to it. In two years he will qualify to play for SA. Im glad we will see more of him at Surrey this season injury permitting.

Posted by BailsRgo on (March 3, 2014, 9:57 GMT)

Turgid, dire,totally inconsequential as most of the watching audience had either gone home or were in a deep sleep - induced by some of the most pathetic cricket I've seen since the last England match - mind numbingly boring hardly describes the England chase at 2 runs an over, frantic, full of fear with little sign of any sense of purpose or being. DIRE!

Posted by Manxmuppet on (March 3, 2014, 9:41 GMT)

I'm just thankful for espncricinfo. I can follow the cricket without having to pay £40 a month to watch this rubbish on TV! This would have to be a strong candidate for the worst game of international cricket ever played. Even though they won, I'm embarrassed to follow England cricket at the moment

Posted by   on (March 3, 2014, 8:32 GMT)

Eng almost made a mess of it.Well fought Windies

Posted by 2929paul on (March 3, 2014, 8:13 GMT)

Why is it only one other person on here has recognised that this is NOT our ODI team but the T20 team playing in ODIs. Luke Wright is our T20 Batsman so they have put him there for these matches for consistency. He has shown once again why he was dropped from the ODI team and only plays for the T20 side.

They dropped Jordan and played another spinner because of the pitch. Pitches in Bangladesh will be slow turners so this is good practice. Stokes is clearly struggling against spin and as his bowling doesn't seem to be trusted, he might be the one to give way for Morgan. Even in Bangladesh I can't see them going in without two specialist seamers and as Bresnan is still considered a safer bet, they seem determined to stick with him.

Posted by CodandChips on (March 3, 2014, 6:54 GMT)

Not sure if victory was a good thing. Yes it's good for confidence, but it could mean certain players dont get dropped.

Dropping Jordan for Parry was unfair given Jordan was one of the best bowlers in Australia. Bresnan should have gone as he has been poor for a while.

Parry bowled well and I think his figures were very similar to Danny Briggs on ODI debut. Just food for thought, given this was on a pitch that spun more and against a frail lineup where as Briggs was against a relatively settled Pakistan.

Wright once again abysmal. Stokes good honesty but another poor performance.Both could conceivably be playing their last ODIs (and Wright should never play again for England in any format). Bresnan appeared innocuous again even if his figures dont reflect it.

Bopara chasing down a total long overdue. He has still generally played poorly post CT13, and really ought be dropped still.

Hopefully Hales & Morgan will come back soon.

Posted by notimeforcricket on (March 3, 2014, 4:44 GMT)

we seem to have Luke Wright playing as a batsman and (presumably) 9th bowler. It is probably wise to have enough alrounders to ensure 6 or 7 bowling options but we have 9. people bowling a few overs here or there makes little sense when it is at the expense of the batting. surely we should bring a couple of proper batsmen in - ultimately even in ODI's you still need to be able to score runs off international bowlers....

Posted by wapuser on (March 3, 2014, 4:38 GMT)

We hope inshallah Afghanistan will beat sarilanka due to thiel last winnig match against to the test mation country and they will play with full confidence and all afghans anticipate from each player to accomplish his responsibaliyy long live lipns

Posted by Roysingh1972 on (March 3, 2014, 4:29 GMT)

How could the third umpire not see what everyone else have seen? Bravo is one of the few batsman who walks off without waiting for the umpire to raise his finger, and is the icc going to give the wicket keeper some games of as they did with Ramdin? This is killing the sports

Posted by   on (March 3, 2014, 4:17 GMT)

@jb633. I agree: it's the culture, and it runs deep. That's the lesson and lad would draw from KP and Gower's amputated careers -- the last straw for both was querying the militaristic Gooch style fitness regimes they were told was 'training.' That's why, when Boycott was England's 'best' batsman, I regularly supported the Aussies, the Windies -- any team not scared of flair. I do wonder about the brittle egos of our coaches: toe the line or you're gone. Cook, whose hobby is managing sheep, a classic case of what such coaches like: only good when he 'plays within his limitations,' his captaincy, mechanical at best.

A period of embarrassing losses may be the best thing for English cricket. Meanwhile, those of us who love cricket first -- rather than puristically following just one particular national team (born in Yorkshire though I be) -- still have Mitch Johnson, Steyn, Warner, AB de Villiers, Kohli, Dhawan, McCallum, Taylor ... & KP to grace our screens and fields

Posted by   on (March 3, 2014, 1:42 GMT)

Umpires who have the benefit of the tv replay and still gives a wrong decision. must be summaily fired

Posted by xtrafalgarx on (March 3, 2014, 1:09 GMT)

KP could nothing to help this motley rabble.

Posted by disco_bob on (March 3, 2014, 0:49 GMT)

2nd ODI match win is as many series, England on a roll.

Posted by   on (March 3, 2014, 0:20 GMT)

The debut for Lumb has me hopeful that Peter Trego will still get a call up. He may be a bit older but damn if he ain't a great sight to watch.

By far the best player in the domestic one day competition last year. Not even mentioned.

Posted by whoster on (March 2, 2014, 23:37 GMT)

I share the opinion that it'd be shameful if someone within the England camp gave Stokes a lecture on professionalism. Just as Stuart Broad was perfectly entitled to stand his ground in last summer's Ashes, it's every player's right to choose whether they walk or not.

The game itself was a dogfight between two mediocre sides, and England's victory was hardly inspiring.

Posted by Roshan_P on (March 2, 2014, 22:35 GMT)

This ODI XI is clearly not working out. Bopara clearly has some substance to keep his cool and produce a win here, so I don't believe you can take away his place now. In fact I would promote him to 3 - the top order needs his level-headedness and does not need Luke Wright. I would bring in Bopara at 3, give him some time to adjust there. Wright needs to be replaced, probably with Morgan. Strange that he isn't playing. We need some genuine quicks too - bring back Jordan and possibly play Gurney.

Posted by Twinkie on (March 2, 2014, 22:33 GMT)

If the "in form" Bravo had been allowed to complete his innings who knows what could have happened! I should be used to this by now but I'm not. England not looking like part of any "Big Three". Oh, sorry! We're talking only in money not cricket!

Posted by Roshan_P on (March 2, 2014, 22:18 GMT)

@jb633 I believe KP was one of those people that you are talking about. Then again, he was brought up in South Africa. How about Flintoff or Botham, Jonny Wilkinson or Wayne Rooney? You can perhaps think of better examples of people in the sport than these from other countries, but it proves we can do it. In football is probably where we lack the most flair, and it is pretty shameful that a team like Wales, comparatively minnows in football, produce such wizards as Ryan Giggs or Gareth Bale. But I believe our cricket team was doing well until the last Ashes, and we just need a revival now (and good selection!).

Posted by jackiethepen on (March 2, 2014, 22:14 GMT)

This team would have been regarded as a second XI a year ago? Now it demonstrates that our ODI batting is pitiful? This team ISNT even our second XI, which would surely include Taylor, Bairstow, Chopra, Woakes to name a few. This is our t20 side. I think it has been explained ad nauseum that this is a warm up Series for the t20 world Cup. We can only judge this side when it plays in the 3 t20 games against the Windies who are world champions. Why the pretence that this is our "new era" ODI side? It isn't. It may settle the argument that t20 specialists should play ODI cricket. Well it appears that their batting is well below ODI level. But they are t20 guns. They have to be judged in their own arena. They cannot build an innings. Does it matter? Wright might be fine in t20 but he looks absolutely awful in ODIs. We do lack some higher class batting, especially at 3. KP missed? His ODIs have not been productive recently. But in t20? You bet!!! There seems to be a large hole.

Posted by mattp on (March 2, 2014, 21:58 GMT)

Ravi has been one of the top performers for over a year now and has bailed the team out on a number occasions. Particularly the champions trophy. He was 5th for the batting averages and 11th for the bowling averages. And this is a tournament format where every game was a crunch game: in or out of the tournament.

Not only was it the averages but he has looked calm and collected throughout this "second spell" of his England career. Even in Australia in teh T20 when they were well behind the run rate and there was little to play for other than pride, he gave us that bit of pride by calmly sending it to all parts of the ground. He plays proudly for England, which is the most you can ask for in this era of professional players. Maybe they should be building the team around him!

Posted by lyl67 on (March 2, 2014, 21:25 GMT)

Once again the West Indies lost the match by not running singles to many dot balls and Darren Bravo batting is woeful, Captain Bravo you must realize by now the top order has not performed in both matches, never mind the lower order.Your brother should come to the party otherwise you willlose the one day series.

Posted by LeeHallam on (March 2, 2014, 21:25 GMT)

Anyone would think from the comments below that England had lost. It was a win, not a great win, but a win, and that's a start. These are hardly typical one day conditions, but England showed flexibility, using spinners with great success. I am very pleased for Stephen Parry, there is a place as England's one day spinner up for grabs. I am not sure if he can do the job, but he deserves further chances in other conditions. As for the batting, well Ravi is supposed to be the finisher, and he did just that. In these conditions England's shot players: Stokes, Buttler and Wright were ill suited. But it was a win!

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 21:23 GMT)

Mr Lebigfella; look at Tredwell's performances in limited overs international matches at then look at the venues for the next T20 & 50 over World Cups. He is exactly what England need and can field brilliantly and bat as needed. OK, he's a bit bald and colourless & is in no way a Test match spin bowler but he gets the job done & there's a lot to be said for that just now.

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 21:07 GMT)

Well done skipper, and well done Ravi too - nice to see someone take responsibility

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 21:03 GMT)

Time for the fans to get over Kevin Pietersen. It is just so annoying. You don't get the right to diss the team for that decision. Fine, criticize the team's performance,but leave the individuals alone. There's no need to drag KP in to compare each and every batsman with him every frigging time. He hadn't been in the batting form of his life either when he was dumped.

Posted by tutorial on (March 2, 2014, 20:54 GMT)

Kirk,Smith and Sammy who's job in the team is to bat, how could anyone expect the tail enders to make runs,what Ian Bishop should address is the top order battings worth to the team,select the proper team and win games,lil Bravo needs to practice everyday,that should be Gibson's job but if he is not qualified to do the job how could he.

Posted by CodandChips on (March 2, 2014, 20:45 GMT)

Thank you Ravi Bopara was finishing off a chase. Finally!

I'd still drop him though for being consistently poor. Wright once again pathetic. Bresnan innoccous again.

Parry bowled well.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (March 2, 2014, 20:41 GMT)

Erasmus Man of the Match . . . Seriously though great fight from Bravo again in all 3 departments true leader, Stokes is a real class act, Narine/Miller maybe the best spinning pair in the short format, Bopara real cool head to be honest I doubt he'd play again if he'd got out here and I'd guess Luke Wright likely has played his last.

Posted by german1 on (March 2, 2014, 20:33 GMT)

Darren Bravo and Kirk Edwards need a rest immediately !!!! Bring in Sarwan and Jonathan Carter

Posted by jb633 on (March 2, 2014, 20:20 GMT)

@CodandChips, I would say our identity in sport is a fear of flare. In rugby we have a conservative game with a big pack and decent kicker, in football we like to bank up behind the ball and hang on in there and in cricket we seem to like to grind runs at a snails pace. in all our sports we seem to be terrified to either play or play against anyone that may do something that doesn't correlate exactly with the coaching manual. It inhibits us in every sport I feel. I believe it is why we will never have a Christiano Ronaldo, Malinga/Mitchell Johnson or a Morne Steyn/Dan Carter. As kids these guys would have been told the tricks they were trying were a waste of time by some old coach.

Posted by lebigfella on (March 2, 2014, 20:15 GMT)

Never convinced by Bresnan... Luke Wright is so out off his depth... Perry a very strange choice... Bopara never really does much (although he may see us through to a win in this low scoring affair)... Broad is so inconsistent... Lumb debuts at 34!!! Ali is nothing more than a journeyman... Stokes, Buttler & Root are the future but need a little more time... but please don't start me off about Treadwell... Let's face it we are in a bit of bother... I wonder if KP is smiling to himself as he gently eases into the IPL and some nice easily earned sheckles (sic.) in his off shore account/s... I suspect he is!

Posted by ShaikhIsm on (March 2, 2014, 20:01 GMT)

The England dressing room has indeed become a better place without Kevin Petersen...and all the players prefer to spend most of the time there than the batting crease!!!

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 19:45 GMT)

the only way England can improve is By bringing Kevin.thats the only way otherwise they are done and dusted

Posted by Imran707 on (March 2, 2014, 19:36 GMT)

Gosh, what is happening to Eng? Is it the curse of BIG, 3? India losing left, right, centre and England humiliation continues....Aussies needs to be tasted!!

Posted by CodandChips on (March 2, 2014, 19:24 GMT)

People bemoan the lack of English identity. Here's an idea- the ability to throw away winning positions. Doesnt just apply to this series, or the Aussie ODIs, or CT13, or the Pakistan 2nd test 2012, or just cricket. England rugby team has done it on many occasions the last couple of years. Football has it as well. And dont forget Lewis Hamilton's first season with McClaren.

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 19:23 GMT)

You also have to feel sorry for the Antiguan public. I'm sure they don't get that much international cricket, and watching an England second-string playing on a pudding like this can't be much compensation for them. I suppose at least they get to see Windies win. Can't anyone produce a decent track now ?

Posted by KingSalz on (March 2, 2014, 19:22 GMT)

This cries KP all over again. Embarrassing!. Bopsy and Bresnan have to take it home or this is truly England's fall.

Posted by jb633 on (March 2, 2014, 19:15 GMT)

Look at this side and please identify the top level cricketers. Lumb Moeen (need to be gven chances) Wright (no) Root (up for debate IMO) Stokes (needs drastic technical improvements on spinning decks) Butler (yes) Ravi (no) Broad (yes) Bresnan (lacks pace and has been found out against top sides) Tredwell (short form specialist but ok) Parry (can't make the Lancs 1st XI but did well today). Even if you go resevers we have Morgan in the short form who is our best player but who else do we have?? Jordan needs serious work on his action if he is to find consistencey, Dernbach is a proven failure. Our only top draw cricketer has been sacked, although his ODI cricket has not been great in last 5 years. I am getting depressed watching our slide into that category of almost a minnow. WI are a really poor side and are missing most of their gun players. They have one world class bowler but the rest are average.

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 19:15 GMT)

Stokes walking back on his own. We do have a gentleman in the game.

Posted by jb633 on (March 2, 2014, 19:09 GMT)

I have seriously had enough with this same garbage for the last 3 years. The same deadbeat players making the same mistakes and nothing gets done about it. I don't honestly see a worse side than us in the world at the moment. Given home conditions and the T20 format I would genuinely expect BD to give us a hiding. The way our cricket is being run by the ECB there is virtually nothing left to support. It is no surprise to me that given Stoke's lead footed technique he wont succeed on these decks. I don't need to comment on Wright or Bopara because it seems they can't do anything to get dropped. Seriously seriously disappointing from all the fans. I want a complete overhaul of the staff from Flower's era. We need fresh blood and new ideas. We need to guys who can see the writing on the wall by picking guys like Wright and Ravi. This is just dimsal to watch but we have come to expect nothing less in recent weeks. Even if we win here we need serious changes.

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 19:08 GMT)

Horrible decision by Erasmus. Hope WI wins.

Posted by CodandChips on (March 2, 2014, 19:07 GMT)

Good northern honesty from Stokes.

One bright spot from a miserable performance

Posted by nikhil_indian_fan on (March 2, 2014, 19:03 GMT)

boring....omg...this match is turning out to be a scorcher (not as much as the IND vs PAK match) but still its twisting like anything. why did stokes walk off??? umpire thought he was not out? what comes first making sure your tema gets home our sense of righteousness???

Posted by JG2704 on (March 2, 2014, 18:51 GMT)

We start to show positive signs with the ball and then our batsmen mess up.

We're now 5 down with the inexperienced Stokes and Bopara at the crease.

The one thing that cant happen is Bopara stagnating the RR sufficiently for WI to win without bowling us out. Buttler looks really poor right now

Posted by BailsRgo on (March 2, 2014, 18:39 GMT)

Watching this tediously boring match one can understand why so many have said England players are suffering 'burn-out' - it is totally draining the life out of me and I've decided I need a holiday

As an aside, it has only taken a few weeks for Graeme Swann to change careers now that he is a commentator on BBC Radio - does this mean that sports journalism/ media is a closed shop now - only ex-professionals need apply????

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (March 2, 2014, 18:11 GMT)

Better performance there from England's bowlers, but Narine once again choking the life out of the batsmen. Can England mess things up from here? As Churchill says: Ohhhh Yessss!

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 18:05 GMT)

sweet revenge for the 1990 rob bailey dismissal

Posted by Pyketts on (March 2, 2014, 17:58 GMT)

Oh well Wright doesn't score any runs but at least he doesn't upset the ECB or Cook so I'm sure he'll keep his place for a while! I assume that is the new selection criteria for End?

Good to see that the batting coach that presided over the Ashes misery is looking at the Lions players to see how he can "help" them. If Gooch had any pride he'd quit (and he's not the only one).

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 17:55 GMT)

I still think Windies will win this one...Narine will be the main instigator. England are on an extended losing cycle which is very hard to break and looks set to continue.

Posted by tutorial on (March 2, 2014, 17:03 GMT)

like i said in my last post Kirk Edwards must go,Dwayne Smith his highest level of cricket is playing for Barbadoes,so send him back there,Sammy should be dropped immediately he is not a WI player in any way shape or form,but you'll think the selectors can see this Beaton,Barnwell and Sarwan should be playing,pick the right team and its a guarantee win everytime,Gibson must go he sucks at his job,good luck winning this one,also Ian Bishop expects tail enders to bat when top order can't what a joke surrounding WI team.

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 17:00 GMT)

If Joe can open the bowling and rock through WI i think we may have this one in the bag.

Posted by BailsRgo on (March 2, 2014, 16:48 GMT)

Interesting that Ashley Giles has, on BBC Radio, just said that if he was after results in this short series prior to the World Cup, he would have picked England's best one day team!! DoHH. Firstly, who is England's best one day team? Secondly, what sort of preparation is it for the World Cup? long term preparation is fine but what does that say about England's approach to the World Cup. Bizzarre in the extreme

Posted by jb633 on (March 2, 2014, 16:33 GMT)

It's a funny game when both sets of fans despair at the selections and the performances of their own sides. WI have been dreadful to today but still have a chance to win. The only thing I can say to fans is we know how you feel ...

Posted by Jda123 on (March 2, 2014, 16:31 GMT)

WI have been pathetic for a while...

Posted by jb633 on (March 2, 2014, 16:26 GMT)

@Derek Gift-Simmons, I can concede that he has done well here and as a Lancs fan I am pleased for the guy and wanted to be proved wrong. It just seems strange to me that a guy who has been whacked at county level and plays mainly club cricket is playing for England. However he has bowled an excellent length and has done the job required. Cannot complain with him at all. Maybe he has been doing a lot of work over the winter and has improved. Certainly since the last time I saw him he seems to have altered his line factionally as he used to stray onto leg stump a lot.

Posted by Roshan_P on (March 2, 2014, 16:22 GMT)

Bopara is definitely a better batsman than Wright but Wright is a good hitter. If the selectors are going to insist on playing them then at least switch their positions!!!! As for dropping Jordan, it seems extremely harsh after just one bad match. Bresnan or someone else should have made way.

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 16:20 GMT)

Ramdin again proved that he is non playing wk

Posted by Blackholesun on (March 2, 2014, 16:18 GMT)

WI slumps again ! No Surprises though. They are back to their True nature (batting collapse).

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (March 2, 2014, 16:13 GMT)

Mixing up the bowlers quite well today, is our Broad... but who's he going to save for the death overs this time?

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 16:09 GMT)

The current 50 overs , England vs CCT...CARIBBEAN CRICKET TEAM IN Antigua SAW A GROSS ERROR BY THE TV UMPIRE IN GIVING D BRAVO OUT; replays over and over shows the ball out of the gloves and not hitting the wickets , but it was the gloves minus the ball which dislodged the bails. Maybe the error was deliberate in favour of England. ANY THOUGHTS FROM THE COMMENTATORS?

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 15:28 GMT)

@jb653 Narine never made into the WI setup until T&T showcased him in the CL. It is still who knows you. Someone obviously has a better eye for talent..

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 15:15 GMT)

Where's the people calling for Dwayne Smith? Anyways. WI in the rut here. Need to pull of something like Friday tto have a competitive score.

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 15:12 GMT)

Broad's strike of Dwayne Bravo gave me some pleasure in seeing Bravo remove the accessory which in my opinion belongs in a valuables bag and off the field of play.

Posted by BailsRgo on (March 2, 2014, 14:43 GMT)

Can you just imagine what Gayle and Pollard would do to this lot??

I think I'll go and pt the Sunday dinner on ......

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (March 2, 2014, 14:37 GMT)

Come on Broad - stop with the short-pitched rubbish again and give Bopara a few overs instead of yourself.

Posted by   on (March 2, 2014, 14:04 GMT)

Seeing yet again 2 of 3 guy who should not b playing 1-day cricket for WI

Posted by CodandChips on (March 2, 2014, 13:47 GMT)

Good to see Parry get his chance. But why get rid of Jordan when he was one of the best ODI bowlers in Australia, compared to Bresnan who only has seemed innocuous ever since his injury.

Injuries to Hales and Morgan means Bopara & Wright have to play.

No idea why Wright at 3. Playing his 50th ODI apparently, but at an average of 20. He must be the worst batsman to had played 50 ODIs ( he can hardly be called an all rounder given he never bowls) and Bopara is also very fortunate to have played 100 matches.

Posted by jb633 on (March 2, 2014, 13:44 GMT)

Stephen Parry may go onto prove me wrong but I am a Lancs fan and he doesn't even make it into our side half the time. On what basis is he making the international side? I suspect the fact there is literally nobody else in the country who can bowl spin is a contributing factor but surely we must make playing for England an honour and not a god given right of any old player that has played any domestic cricket. I do hope i am proved wrong and he performs well but I am not sure he can be the answer to our spin crisis.

Posted by Click_Click_Cricket on (March 2, 2014, 13:34 GMT)

This ENG team is boring to watch. Hope WI does not get complacent and beat them again!

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David Hopps David Hopps joined ESPNcricinfo as UK editor early in 2012. For the previous 20 years he was a senior cricket writer for the Guardian and covered England extensively during that time in all Test-playing nations. He also covered four Olympic Games and has written several cricket books, including collections of cricket quotations. He has been an avid amateur cricketer since he was 12, and so knows the pain of repeated failure only too well. The pile of untouched novels he plans to read, but rarely gets around to, is now almost touching the ceiling. He divides his time between the ESPNcricinfo office in Hammersmith and his beloved Yorkshire.
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