West Indies v England, 3rd ODI, Antigua

England survive Ramdin onslaught to take series

The Report by Andrew McGlashan

March 5, 2014

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England 303 for 6 (Root 107, Buttler 99, Moeen 55) beat West Indies 278 (Ramdin 128, Bresnan 3-45) by 25 runs
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Dobell: Root and Buttler are England's future

For the first time since September, England have won two matches in a row - with starring roles for two young batsmen - though it was not without some tension towards the end as Denesh Ramdin flayed the ball around the Sir Vivian Richards Stadium for a career-best 128, but ultimately West Indies' under-performing top order had left too much to do.

Ramdin's was not the first maiden hundred of the day; and it was Joe Root's that finished on the winning side. Two players viewed as central to England's rebuilding formed the most substantial part their success as Root, battling the pain of a damaged thumb, and Jos Buttler added 175 for the fifth wicket although it turned out more of those runs were needed than appeared likely at one point in West Indies' chase.

At 43 for 4 it needed something of James Faulkner in Brisbane and Shahid Afridi in Mirpur combined to turn the innings around. It was not far off emerging. For a while Ramdin and Darren Sammy threatened with a stand of 71 in 10 overs, then Ramdin continued the charge with the first hundred by a West Indies keeper in one-day cricket, reached with his third six off Stephen Parry. He took advantage of England's persistence at bowling short, fetching sixes on both sides of the wicket, and there was a lesson for the bowlers when Bresnan finally ended the chances of an incredible turnaround with, yes, a yorker that hit leg stump.


Joe Root celebrates his maiden ODI hundred, West Indies v England, 3rd ODI, Antigua, March 5, 2014
Joe Root batted his way to a maiden ODI hundred despite an injured thumb © AFP
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On a surface being used for the third time in a row, but that defied expectations having been extensively worked on between matches, strokeplay was easier than at any time in the series. West Indies will rue that none of their top four could provide a similar role to Root because Ramdin's late onslaught reminded, yet again, that asking rates of over ten an over are achievable with wickets in hand.

Root's hundred came off 112 balls and was another window into the character of a 23-year-old who, like many, endured a tough time in Australia where he lost his place in the Test and one-day sides. Buttler appeared set to join him with a maiden century but, facing Ravi Rampaul in the final over, got a leading edge so had to settle for 99 off 84 balls. Their impish partnership, pock-marked by Buttler's strong hitting in the latter stages, was England's second highest for the fifth wicket in ODIs. Root's fine day continued when he struck in his first over with the ball but he soon had to leave the field to have ice treatment on his thumb and be sent for an X-ray.

Plan was for Root to retire hurt

  • Joe Root will have an x-ray in Antigua on Thursday morning after sustaining a blow to his right thumb in the early stages of his match-winning century in Antigua.
  • England originally planned for Root to retire hurt when rain intervened and he had scored just 7.

  • But Root insisted he continue and, with the help of pain-killers went on to register his highest ODI score.

  • With the thumb visibly swollen, however, he spent most of the West Indies innings in the dressing room receiving ice treatment and must be considered a serious doubt for the Twenty20s in Barbados and the World T20 that follows in Bangladesh.

England's innings was in the balance at the midway mark, West Indies having removed four wickets to even out Moeen Ali's maiden half-century - a fluent innings ended by a return catch to Nikita Miller - but, after Eoin Morgan had been beaten by Sunil Narine's spin, Root and Buttler ensured England did not stall from a potentially tricky 116 for 4.

There was a key moment when Buttler had 22 and successfully overturned a caught behind decision, despite there not appearing to be conclusive evidence to do so, and earlier Root had been given a life on 23 when Ramdin could not gather an outside edge off Narine.

England played Narine cautiously for most of his allotment but his ninth over cost 21 as Buttler twice cleared the boundary - the second occasion off a free-hit. The batting Powerplay had not proved to be the downfall it so often seems, bringing a consolidating 36 in the five overs, which set up a final 10 overs that accrued 94.

Root had started his innings facing a hat-trick delivery from Dwayne Bravo after the West Indies captain had removed Michael Lumb and Ben Stokes. He calmly defended the delivery but was in some severe discomfort a short while later when a ball from Rampaul climbed at him from a good length, striking a nasty blow on the thumb of his bottom hand.

He needed several minutes of treatment, some strapping and a dose of painkillers before resuming and then had to ensure his thumb did not seize up during a brief rain break. He continued to shake his hand throughout the innings, especially when the ball struck higher up his bat, but in a tremendous display of focus and application did not let it impact his strokeplay.

Buttler had missed out in the first two matches of the series when his finishing skills were needed, but in this innings reminded that he can set a total as well as hunt one down. Early on he still barely knew what Narine was bowling, but reigned in his ambitions to attack him knowing that there was easier fare on offer from the other end.

After bringing up his fifty off 56 deliveries he then opened his shoulders to pick up four sixes, forming an ideal contrast to Root who, while possessing the power to clear the ropes, played the anchor role and ran West Indies ragged.

West Indies' chase began in fairly shambolic fashion; Kieran Powell missing a sweep and Dwayne Smith picking out deep square-leg against Stuart Broad's first ball. Broad bowled a lively five-over spell, which included a heated four-ball period against Lendl Simmons, who Broad was convinced had edged behind and was flabbergasted when the TV umpire, quite understandably, upheld the not-out decision.

"Come on lads, guilty shot coming," shouted Buttler from behind the stumps and three balls later Simmons dragged a pull into his stumps, much to Broad's delighted, although it could easily have been classed a 'poor shot' as much as a 'guilty shot'.

Unlike Buttler, a caught-behind decision off Marlon Samuels was upheld and when Dwayne Bravo edged Ravi Bopara behind the requirement was 173 off 20 overs. To start with there was a sense of hopeful dash in the way Ramdin and Sammy played, but such was their impact that the run-rate - if not the wickets in hand - was not unmanageable and there was relief for England when Ben Stokes took a superbly judged boundary catch at deep square-leg to remove Sammy.

Ramdin continued to swing freely but he could not rely much on the lower order. Miller found it difficult to get the ball away and Narine, after one towering six, was caught backing up too far. However, when Ramdin crunched the first three balls of the 48th over for six, four, four it was not beyond the realms he could finish the game himself. Then Bresnan remembered one of cricket's long-standing limited-overs deliveries. It was an untidy finish for England but, after the six months they have had, they will take a series win however it comes.

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Posted by JG2704 on (March 7, 2014, 20:46 GMT)

@CodandChips on (March 7, 2014, 17:38 GMT) This is it.I tend to find many of our T20/ODI batsmen seem to be boundary or nothing sort of players. This is why I mentioned about a passage of play in one of Buttler's inns and the placement/pace of the shots combined with the aggressive running with Morgan meant that he had scored something like 25 off 16 balls without even hitting a boundary. I have a theory in that a batsman can hit a ball almost anywhere and if both batsmen are geared up to take a run then it's usually pretty safe

Posted by   on (March 7, 2014, 20:20 GMT)

If I recall correctly, they were always saying Chanders bat slowly... WI over the past patches simply cannot bat out 50 overs... whats the point!

To me thats a problem for them that I hardly see any commentator mentioning...

Posted by CodandChips on (March 7, 2014, 17:38 GMT)

@JG2704 Love the example of Neil Mckenzie for Hants. He's had a vital role in the limited overs success between 2010 to now (he wasn't there in 2009). While we have had many big names and aggressive, such as Carberry scoring plenty of runs each year, Lumb doing enough to get selected for England, Afridi, Razzaq, Vince, Jimmy Adams (leading scorer for 2 seasons I think- was desperately unlucky not to get in the England squad, given that he was probably one of the best white ball openers in the country between 2009 and 2011), it was McKenzie who held the team together, especially when chasing. He scores his runs with little nudges and nurdles, usually finding the gaps. It may appear that he's scoring slowly due to lack of boundary's, but his strike rate usually was good.An awesome servant to the county.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (March 6, 2014, 22:38 GMT)

It's the spinners that tend to dominate the bowling in shorter formats, especially outside of UK, so I'd be more tempted to try and keep both Ali and Root (once his thumb gets glued back on) in the ODI side, and I like Tredwell so he'd always be there too. Broad has finally looked up in the cricket dictionary what a yorker is! Whether he and/or another pacer can finally master it and use it more is another worry. Until then, death bowling will continue to be a major weakness for England. Hope Finn gets his mojo back and gets another decent chance.

Posted by JG2704 on (March 6, 2014, 22:24 GMT)

@C&C ctd - I have few issues either way with Cook and Bell. I never liked Cook,Bell,Trott up top but 2 of the 3 I have no issue with and as I said they seemed to be addressing the SR issues in the Aus series and it was more Stokes and Ballance who stagnated the runs

Posted by JG2704 on (March 6, 2014, 22:20 GMT)

@C&C ctd - re batting Aggressive running. You don't have to be a big hitter to score at a run a ball if you try and score a run off every delivery you face. You often have to be set to play expansive cricket effectively but you don't have to be set to run aggressively and just deflect the ball for singles. Manipulate the ball/field etc. Mckenzie did this beautifully in several matches for Hants. Also feel its a good way of putting pressure on the fielding side and lead to mistakes by the bowler getting frustrated and the from the fielders.

Re your formula. Not sure. The thing I worry about is that batsmen would go along at too pedestrian a rate upfront and if they get out after about 30-40 balls they will have damaged the team's chances. I think we also ought to try and get significantly ahead of the game when chasing stiffish targets and cater for tight bowlers like Narine by targeting other bowlers so defending vs Narine isnt damaging the chase/setting the target...

Posted by JG2704 on (March 6, 2014, 22:10 GMT)

@Codand Chips - I think we ought to change the way we go about the game more than we need to change the personel.There are certain things we could do IMO to change any side we put out for the better

Bowling/fielding

1- Work harder on death bowling/yorkers etc 2 - Not save so many overs (if any) for the death if a bowler is bowling particularly well up front. I've seen guys like Broad bowl well up front and then save a number of overs for the death where they are likely to go for runs anyway. If they are flying up front there may even be no need for death overs 3- I tend to find that fielding sides relax the powerplay field (ie push a man out) after the set of powerplay overs regardless of the situation. If the fielding side is on top why not keep the pressure on by keeping more fielders in?

Posted by CodandChips on (March 6, 2014, 20:23 GMT)

@JG2704 also what about the death bowling?

Posted by CodandChips on (March 6, 2014, 20:03 GMT)

@JG2704 So you think we need to change "the way we go about our game" as opposed to changing personell. So what would you do? Stick with the formula used in previous years but just run more singles? Would you try and fit Cook & Bell into my amazing formulae? What did you think of my formulae?

Posted by CodandChips on (March 6, 2014, 19:53 GMT)

@JG2704 I've long considered Trego one of the most destructive batsmen in the country. However what puts me off him is his inconsistency and I dont rate his bowling at all. So I guess he'd be a much more destructive version of Bopara without Ravi's bowling.

Re Ballance he was horrible in the ODIs in Australia but he deserves his chance. His domestic numbers in all formats are awesome (though are inflated slightly by playing in Zimbabwe). I have seen him bat very destructively before, and his general batting ability would be an asset. I kinda hope that batting lower would help Ballance bat a bit more freely.

Your point on singles is valid. I used to think that dot balls outside of powerplay overs were almost inexcusable because with 5 fielders out there used to be so many gaps. However with the new rules and extra fielder there seems to be a lot less space. But I do agree we need to run more singles.

Posted by   on (March 6, 2014, 19:12 GMT)

No Gayle means no winning matches for W Indies

Posted by JG2704 on (March 6, 2014, 18:55 GMT)

@C&C ctd - so while I think batsmen should be able to up the tempo I think there's no reason why they should be going at a SR of 50 at any stage.My theory is to look for a single of each ball til you have your eye in.

Posted by JG2704 on (March 6, 2014, 18:51 GMT)

@CodandChips - I'm sure you only have Trego in there to keep me on side. Seriously , if he does play he needs to open or come in at 3 and be given license. That is where he is most effective. Interestingly you have Ballance in the ODI side but slate Cook and Bell for their SRs. In the last ODI series it was more Stokes and Ballance that let us down in that dept. Even when Ballance scored 70 or 80 or whatever it was , for much of his inns his SR was at 50. He increased his SR but I think it was only around the mid 70s when he got out. I think we need to work on changing the way we go about our game above changing our players. Lumb is a clean hitter of the ball but can get bogged down and when he's not scoring boundaries he aint scoring My favourite inns of recent times was one of Buttler's vs Oz and one passage of play where he was scoring 2 of practically every ball without taking a risk. Aggressive running IMO can be as damaging as clean hitting but not AS risky.

Posted by JG2704 on (March 6, 2014, 18:48 GMT)

@Mark Gerbs Isaacs on (March 6, 2014, 9:12 GMT) Would you say no room for Ali? I thought he showed enough. In his 3 inns he scored a 50 and a 40 and in the inns he failed - so did just about everyone else

Posted by Lord_mac on (March 6, 2014, 17:05 GMT)

>Wright & Bopara simply are not good enough, though to Ravi's credit he did his job in the second match. <

Amazing that RB gets so much stick and KP so much praise, when in their last 50 ODIs, RB averages 39 to KP's 33 and has taken 23 wickets as well.

Posted by wirus on (March 6, 2014, 13:21 GMT)

The galling thing about this series is that but for a few amateurish things WI could have won all three games or at least the last as well. In the 2nd when the batting collapsed again, had they hung around and scored 60 more runs between them, i.e. 10 runs more per top six batsman, England would have struggled to get that score (they struggled to get the small one put in front of them). In the last match were it not for some stupid short pitch half volley nonsense from WI MEDIUM PACERS (which was gratefully received by Eng), they could have been chasing 270 instead of over 300. And of course the sorts of shots, typified by Smith, that the top four played was sickening to watch. The decision to bowl Simmons (who went for plenty in his 1 over) when Samuels had 5 overs to go and was bowling tidily was just bizarre. Small, amateurish mistakes that costed the series. Eng were worthy winners though a more professional team would have won 3-0 against this Eng team.

Posted by please_concentrate on (March 6, 2014, 12:23 GMT)

@RobinDiaram Perhaps you could enlighten us as to who these entertainment gods are who outshine the mundane nglish team?

Posted by RobinDiaram on (March 6, 2014, 12:07 GMT)

West Indies beaten by the most boring team in world cricket! Unconscionable, to say the least.

Posted by CodandChips on (March 6, 2014, 12:03 GMT)

Perhaps outside of England: 1.Lumb 2.Hales 3.Taylor 4.Root/Ali 5.Morgan 6.Buttler 7.Willey/Ali/Trego 8.Broad 9.Jordan 10.Napier 11.Tredwell

Trego could also potentially open in this formula.

For the world cup, I'd adopt the formula for playing in England, given New Zealand and Australian conditions are similar to English ones. Perhaps I should have named it better. The out of England one is more for subcontinent and West Indian pitches.

@Mark Gerbs Isaacs that would explain why Buttler has a list A average of almost 50. Also I suggested Napier, and have been doing so for a while. He's certainly more deserving of a T20I place than the continuously expensive Dernbach, even if Jade was one of the better domestic players (what does that say about some of the domestic batsmen!?)

Posted by CodandChips on (March 6, 2014, 11:56 GMT)

And so in England: 1.Root/Lumb 2.Ali 3.Taylor 4.Morgan (C) 5.Buttler 6.Ballance/Trego/A finisher 7.Willey/An allrounder 8.Broad 9.Tredwell/Jordan 10.Napier 11.Anderson

Napier could also be used as a sacrifice pinch-hitter. I wouldn't select Bresnan, perhaps unfair y, because he has been innocuous for a long while, although he did bowl well yesterday and was the pick of the seamers.

Outside of England it's easier to bat. Therefore we need openers who can get off to a quick start. Lumb & Hales anyone? TThey just need to make sure they do play positively. 3 & 4 would provide stability, so Taylor and Root/Moeen. Morgan 5, Buttler 6, then an allrounder 7. Perhaps Ali, but a better finisher would be ideal. Then the bowlers. Ali would be my choice of 2nd spinner, but Parry did ok, and Briggs has only played 1 ODI, so maybe they deserve another go. Perhaps Anderson out of England in ODIs is a bad idea.

Posted by wirus on (March 6, 2014, 11:47 GMT)

So what have WI learned from this series? 1. That their batting is in a terrible mess because players' minds are scrambled - no concentration, no thinking on one's feet, no confidence. Only Simmons and to a lesser extent Dwayne Bravo performed and as so often, Sammy saved them huge embarrassment (if WI know how to be embarrassed anymore). 2. Apart from Narine they have no world class attacking bowler. Millar is perhaps worthy of consideration as is Holder, but in the absence of Taylor and Roach (or even Fidel Edwards on his day) there is no bite. Sammy, Bravo, Smith and co will never win matches. 3. WI selection policy remains a ridiculous shambles. Powell has been out of form so he is picked. Sarwan has been scoring runs so he is ignored. Clearly a Chanderpaul-type batsman is needed to hold the innings together but none (e.g. Fudadin, Brathwaite) are selected. One positive is that Ramdin has come of age which was evident from the overseas tour. In short nothing has been learned.

Posted by CodandChips on (March 6, 2014, 11:45 GMT)

(continued)

Morgan would come at 4 to lead the charge. Should also captain- since he shouldn't be in the test side therefore would not need to be rested & therefore miss ODIs, he is tactically aware, a strong leader & an automatic pick. Buttler yesterday showed he should be able to bat 5. Also consider his list A average of almost 50. At 6 should be the best finisher not in the team. Trego possibly, but is he consistent enough? Also wouldn't risk his bowling. But his fielding would be an asset. What about Ballance? Wright & Bopara simply are not good enough, though to Ravi's credit he did his job in the second match. At 7 should be an allrounder. Stokes' stats are dire, Woakes is a redball cricketer & Willey is injured. The bowlers 8-11, though with Ali, another spinner may not be necessary in England. Broad, Jordan, Anderson & Napier for me. Napier is easily the best death bowler in the country & can bowl decent pace. Wouldn't rely too much on his batting, despite a decent season.

Posted by LeeJA on (March 6, 2014, 11:42 GMT)

While I am ecstatic with the result, I am not sure how much we can read into the positives.

Broad - Was a little like AB in the sense that he was captaining like a 2020... changing bowlers every 2-3 overs. I am not a massive fan of it to be honest and I am not sure at times whether is was a help or a hindrance. Opening with Root turned out to be genius but that's about it.

Lumb - Good performances but isn't a viable long term option. Shame Hales was injured the whole time, this was his chance. I don't think he would have dislodged Cook or Bell despite looking good

Ali - Has his place in the team but I am not sure where. Not an opener for me...maybe at 3 or 4. Looks to be competing with Root

Bresnan vs Stokes for me - Bresnan winning the ODI battle, Stokes the test one!

Spin - Parry did good but Tredwell done enough to keep his place in the team when only 1 needed.

Wright - Last chance, goodbye!

Jordan - Needs to work on adapting his action.

Buttler... great but not consistent

Posted by CodandChips on (March 6, 2014, 11:36 GMT)

I suggest my own formula for ODIs. The Codandchips formula. Well formulas, given that in England the ODI game is completely different to everywhere else given the bowling conditions.

In England my formula is very similar to the one used by the England team in Australia. But rather than having 4 batsmen bat through, have 3, and make sure they can all raise their tempo, unlike Cook & Bell. How about Moeen Ali, Joe Root & James Taylor. Ali reminds me of Trott when batting as a slow starter who raises his strike rate as he bats- but unlike Trott needs to iron out sloppy dismissals. He also bowls well (and was underbowled). Root can bat through and score quick- 90 not out in a T20I in which he got hit in the face. He also averages more than Cook & Bell. Taylor has brilliant domestic averages in all formats therefore deserves a chance, and should have the ability to adapt his game to different situations. Michael Lumb could also get a spot, given his hundred on debut.

Posted by Damo_s on (March 6, 2014, 11:18 GMT)

I would agree with comments about Sammy. Without him the Windies would have lost the series 3 - 0, no question. The guy is severely lacking the appreciation he deserves. Englands bowling is looking a bit suspect at the moment. Tredwell has been fairly reliable in the spin department, Parry has looked good but was unlucky to get tonked today. Then Broad, who is supposedly the spearhead of our attack, just seemed to be a bit below par all series and he didnt even bowl out in the first 2 ODIs which says it all. We were a better bowling outfit when Finn was playing in my opinion. Root's man of the match was fairly justified, but in my opinion I think Bresnan is the guy who swung the result in the end. He produced economical overs when WI were tonking our bowlers and held his nerve to bowl Ramdin, who almost certainly would have won the game for WI had he stayed in. Looking ok for England, but we are a class bowler short of a decent attack.

Posted by JG2704 on (March 6, 2014, 10:23 GMT)

@Rollindice on (March 6, 2014, 8:42 GMT) Personally (and this may be biased) I think Sammy is a top player as well as being a top person. Let's face it , he has played this series without their 2 most dangerous batsmen and in the match they won he contributed massively with the bat (accelerating the inns to achieve a score they never looked like posting) and with the ball where he started drying up the runs when England were cruising. I think he may be one of the most underappreciated players in world cricket and unlike some will always put the country's needs above anything else

Posted by JG2704 on (March 6, 2014, 10:17 GMT)

Negatives

1 - We still at times have looked too boundary happy rather than constantly looking for ones and 2s and running the first hard to maximise the chances of turning 1s into 2s 3- Bresnan (and others) obsession with bowling short/length when it clearly isn't working 4- Stokes' should not be batting at 3 (for sure) and I hope they dont continue stubbornly with this experiment. We almost certainly need Morgan or Root at 3 - guys who can play spin better. I also wonder if Stokes (who is not particularly tight with the ball) is even worth his place in the side.

Posted by JG2704 on (March 6, 2014, 10:03 GMT)

@5wombats - I think he is fairly realistic here We all have fears of how the team will perform after the Ashes.We are genuinely in a transitional period having lost Swann and KP (2 of our biggest players in any format) and possibly Trott. I'm not sure if India are in a transitional period.They were in 2011 when we won 4-0 and in 2012 when we won in India 2-1 so I guess the transitional period will depend on the score so we'll only find out if India are in a transitional period after the series. Although we were thrashed in Australia - the way they performed in tests vs SA is of some comfort that we were thrashed by a side playing brilliant cricket.

@thozar - You're right that there is still much to worry about re our team. But then again your side haven't been that solid themselves - especially overseas. Thrashed in the ODI series in NZ and beaten in the test series so maybe best not get too excited. Guess we'll see who is the most vulnerable side is.

Posted by brusselslion on (March 6, 2014, 9:41 GMT)

@thozar "The minute Joe Root sees a mediocre bowling attack, he springs back to form". In which case, we can only assume that Joe is eagerly looking forward to the forthcoming series against India then.

Posted by   on (March 6, 2014, 9:12 GMT)

@CodandChips: Buttlers rep as a finisher for Somerset was undeniable. Cool when in early and aggressive when in late. Rated him as our best OD batsman, sure the Lancashire fans will enjoy watching him next season.

Agree that Stokes should be dropped, this side had too many allrounders. Bell back in at 3 replacing Stokes. Replace Parry with Jimmy at home and Bresnan with (someone mentioned Napier earlier, good shout. Still gets the speed gun going!). Almost hesitant to replace Bops, I think his bowling is very useful.

No room for Ali Cook. Shame... Oh well.

Posted by Rollindice on (March 6, 2014, 8:42 GMT)

I hear many people always downtalking Sammy and he isn't fit on team, I challenge any of you to do this simple task that I do, for any series that plays, I Usually check series average stats on espncricinfo's website to see who has performed for that series , bowling and batting, you can check all previous matches Sammy has played and you'll see he's in top 5 for batting and bowling economy rates also , others who should contribute didn't

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=8145;team=4;type=series

check link above and you'll see .All rubbish talk and stats show the guy is giving his all. This series we lost due to poor batting from our top order , only person batting in top order is Simmons. Talk is cheap, Sammy stats show.

Posted by   on (March 6, 2014, 7:41 GMT)

@5wombats you missed Asia cup as well where they could not get to final and lost to SL and Pakistan. So they can only win in India not even in subcontinent!!!

Posted by   on (March 6, 2014, 7:37 GMT)

What a batting by Ramadin, he brought equation closer but just the wickets which matter. I don't know why English bowlers were bowling so short but his hitting was clean too.

Posted by 5wombats on (March 6, 2014, 6:52 GMT)

@thozar (March 6, 2014, 0:37 GMT) a couple of points of information for you as you are looking forward to seeing your mighty india visit England so much: In 2011 india in England failed to win a single game in any format. When England toured india recently England won the Test series 2-1. In away ODI's England beat Pakistan 3-0 in the UAE, beat South Africa 2-1, won in New Zealand 2-1 and now have beaten West Indies 2-1 in the Caribbean. India, in ODI's on the other hand, lost 2-1 to Pakistan in India, lost in Australia, lost 2-0 in South Africa, and then just for good measure lost 4-0 in New Zealand. India have also lost a whole string of away Test series (SA, NZ, Aus, Eng). Horrible things aren't they, facts? In my opinion india fans should be keeping quiet about their chances the minute they leave india. I'm looking forward to seeing india play in England again. @thozar You talk about "India's hopes of winning yet another series in England"! What "yet another" is that then @thozar?

Posted by Roysingh1972 on (March 6, 2014, 4:24 GMT)

Well done Ramdin! Man you are batting like West Indies best batsman these days, talk na Viv.

Posted by Rally_Windies on (March 6, 2014, 4:07 GMT)

The WI selectors are utterly incompetent ...

Johnson Charles , was batting wonderfully, opening the batting ....

So the selectors dropped Rhamdin and Made Charles keep ....

Now , as a keeper, Charles averaged 20, and he is not a very good keeper. Since Rhamdin averages 20 and bats at 7, (not 1 or 2) . It means that Rhamdin is the better choice (being a much, much better keeper) ..

So Rhamdin is recalled, and Charles gets to just bat ! Right ?

Wrong ! Charles is dropped clean out of the team ........

Before he picked up the gloves Charles averaged 35 .......

Why don't they let him JUST BAT, and see if his scores would improve ?

The WI top order is in a mess ....

WE have an excellent fit opener ... who the WICB will not let play... because he is not a good keeper/batsman ....

Well, if you wanted you could drop Adam Gilchrist cuz he is a bad bowler .. Yeah ? That kind of logic will make plain sense to WI selectors

Posted by jmcilhinney on (March 6, 2014, 3:19 GMT)

I don't think many people would have expected Ramdin to be the one to almost bring WI home but I guess it was his responsibility in a way, given that he had dropped bot Root and Buttler during the England innings. Regardless of the result, I'm pleased for the crowd to have seen a fair few runs scored on what seemed to be a far better pitch than expected. The previous game was tense so it was entertaining from that perspective but I'm sure that the crowd were hoping for some runs to be scored and they were not disappointed.

Posted by rodzstars on (March 6, 2014, 2:24 GMT)

great fighting series windies . best knock ramdin keep it up. wa happen to these west indian comentators besides mr.bishop. dem cant recognize ah fighting team yes d top order failed us in d series but d lower order stand tall dey didnt jus die off as usual dey fought as a team an not evtin we did right was because england did somtin wrong.an anyways atleast we did somtins right. on to d t20s GAYLE-SMITH-SAMUEL-DW BRAVO-SIMMO-RAMDIN-SAMMY-NARINE-RAMPAUL-SANTOKIE-BADREE. beat dat england. and ill mute my tv until d presentation ceremony wit bish. go windies

Posted by sheru-sher on (March 6, 2014, 0:54 GMT)

Darren Sammy is liability on Vest Vindian side. His presence as Test and T20 captain undermines Bravo who is better captain. vest Indies shud play 4 fast bowlers as it is strength Taylor,Holder Roach and Rampaul and edwards as back up.Narain is good bowler and should play .Bring back Sarwan and Chanderpal as they have experience. Gayle only good for flat track IPL.

Posted by   on (March 6, 2014, 0:47 GMT)

Could Chanderpaul had made a difference in the staggering crashes the West Indies upper order is experiencing? Will Ottis consider playing this GREAT batsman in future ODI?

Posted by thozar on (March 6, 2014, 0:37 GMT)

lol, from 132-6, 'mighty' England let the Windies score 278. An ordinary batsman like Ramdin who has never scored a century before in ODIs cracks a century at more than a run-a-ball. England's 'attack' included Broad, Bresnan, and Stokes who will also play in tests:-) The minute Joe Root sees a mediocre bowling attack, he springs back to form:-) Just by these performances against the #7 or #8 team, I wont agree that they have come back to form. Besides other than Cook, Bell, and Root, I don't know who will be England's batsmen come summer. India's hopes of winning yet another series in England gets brighter by the day. But we should not be complacent. It is always difficult to win away. I hope Duncan and Dhoni are doing their homework.

Posted by   on (March 6, 2014, 0:36 GMT)

Dwayne Smith average hit 18 yet? Anyway great fighting knock by Ramdin. We need a top order. Gayle not scoring now. Charles out of form. Powell not so good right now. It's best we open with Simmons and Fletcher. Can't get any worse.

Posted by SoyQuearns on (March 5, 2014, 23:54 GMT)

Hilarious to see pics of Bresnan doing aeroplane moves when he gets out Denesh Ramdin.

That this terrible English side are so excited and enthused to be beating the Windies, padding their stats in the process, sums up just how devastated and destroyed they got in Australia.

So pleasing to see their smugness and confidence has been rightly and soundly destroyed, meanwhile on the other side of the world Australia thrashed SAF by 245 runs (sure, 27 balls left, but it was a one-sided affair and we won - that's all that matters) to take the series 2-1 against the BEST test side in the world.

Enjoy your middling, closely-fought success against Windies lads, they've already shown they are on the return and once they are, well there's always Ireland to beat (after you pinch all their players).

Congratulations to Ramdin for a superb lone-hand, much like NZ I think WI will return to glory via blooding in their short-format teams.

Posted by Happy_hamster on (March 5, 2014, 23:51 GMT)

Root finding a bit of form is a bonus, but for me the biggest plus is the introduction of Ali as a genuine batsman who is more than handy slow bowling choice, Stokes on paper should be perfect for this format but...Buttler is a decent choice in shorter forms of the game. In the longer form if Trott and Prior can sort out their demons, I don't take light the issue of stress related disorders and it is not a given, then England could have the nucleus of a decent side with the young uns coming through alongside Cook, Bell, Anderson, Broad..

Posted by   on (March 5, 2014, 23:40 GMT)

Why Broady not giving Maximum overs to Moeen Ali, He has been good with Bat and Ball. Unless he doesn't want him to settle in the Team.

Posted by   on (March 5, 2014, 23:30 GMT)

Poor result for the West Indies. Yes they didn't have Gayle Pollard and Roach but I fully expect them to beat this poor England side at home. Questions must be asked in how long Gibson can continue coaching WI.

Posted by coolie on (March 5, 2014, 23:18 GMT)

Wow! Must be the year 4 Pisces. This man has finally showed his true grit. Perhaps with Pooran knocking at the door this was inevitable...

Posted by sherwine on (March 5, 2014, 23:15 GMT)

Well done Ramdin! Our top order continues to fail. Powell should play 4 day cricket for LI and get some runs under his belt. Dwayne Smith was a big disappointment after the regional 1 day tornament. Darren Bravo and Samuels out was a bit unfortunate after they were looking good. I seriously think we needs a batting coach or maybe a next coach

Posted by tutorial on (March 5, 2014, 23:07 GMT)

Congrats to the English team for winning the series!! did not come as a surprise to a few American WI fans,well played Ramdin!A beautiful display of batting prue class!!! From the get go WI were lucky to win one game,because of the team that was selected,guys like Smith,Powell,Sammy,Miller and Kirk Edwards,the highest level they should play at is local cricket ( for there islands) they do not have what it takes for international cricket,to win games WI got to have Shiv Chanderpaul,Sarwan,Barnwell and Beaton not Gayle, Samuels need to learn discipline and he will be a good player, but for WI to get it right they have to FIRE the selectors and head coach Otis Gibson.

Posted by lyl67 on (March 5, 2014, 22:55 GMT)

The Top order is a disgrace, Nothing against Marlon but he is not fit. It is disgraceful that West Indies cannot find eleven fit players, sorry Sammy could not do it again.Well done Ramdin. I always rated you,but you missed that easy stumping

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (March 5, 2014, 22:50 GMT)

Eng win 3rd odi to take series 2-1.Congrats to Eng on their greatest win in last 20 years-vs mighty W Ind!! -:)

Posted by aclarity on (March 5, 2014, 22:15 GMT)

The WI team will progressively decline under Gibson. The worst coach in the world. Am I wrong to say the series last year against SL and India was bad; the last tour to India was worse, and NZ was horrible? Set these aside and ask Gibson which young WI player improved under his great stewardship. It could not be Powell, Daren Bravo, Edwards as batsmen and it is not Best, Cottrell or Holder as bowlers. Powell is somewhere in space, Daren is the statue of Lara and none of the bowlers could make this fast becoming geriatric WI team. When will Gibson have the guts to go because I don't think Pybus and President Dave can make this decision? Please selectors as long as Gibson is there keep on recycling get Sarwan, Smiths, Fidel etc. because we are building the old folks Home.

Posted by hambat on (March 5, 2014, 22:05 GMT)

English bowlers only know aonetrick each...They are truly one dimensional in the hunt for wickets. Nothing much upstairs. Why did Bresnan leak a four on his every other sixth delivery? Why wasn't Parry able to get away from Ramdin's heavy swings? Whatever happened to dotballs? Better get rid of the bowling coach and find some killer instinct.somewhere.. or mediocrity remains with England. WI played very poorly today yet England gave away 270+ runs. And Broad didn't lead well.

Posted by Twinkie on (March 5, 2014, 22:00 GMT)

What made the difference between these two teams? A couple of decisions that went the wrong way, I think. Dwayne Bravo in the last match and Marlon Samuels today were both looking promising. England really should not be so dismissive of our team when they need such help to beat us! "Big Three" indeed!

Posted by CodandChips on (March 5, 2014, 21:53 GMT)

A series win. Yay!

Still a hell of a lot of work to do. We need to find the right line up and method for ODI cricket. Also all 3 matches havebeen much closer than they should have been. We need to improve closing out games.

I've been critical of Bresnan but he bowled well today. Still dont rate him though. Bopara was abysmal first match but to be fair to him he did his job in the second. Still would get rid of him though- averages 30 in 100 matches. He is also a very poor finisher.

Death bowling needs work. Graham Napier anyone?

Stokes has to go from ODIs. His career stats are terrible. Let him devlop his game with Durham.

Posted by Roysingh1972 on (March 5, 2014, 21:52 GMT)

Hey West Indies selectors! Would Chanderpaul made a difference? But you all still would not learn!

Posted by   on (March 5, 2014, 21:10 GMT)

west Indies will continue down this road until the realize there are better players than Sammy and Darren brav. I bet u shiv and sar would put all of them to shame at their current age.

Posted by Lord_mac on (March 5, 2014, 20:49 GMT)

I guess we all know now :-)

Posted by RVDyal on (March 5, 2014, 20:45 GMT)

the WI lost this series before it start ,because of the continued racial campaign being wage against players like Shiv and Sarwan by Gibson ///////

Posted by steve48 on (March 5, 2014, 20:38 GMT)

This report has amazed me, making Joe seem like a cross between Steve Waugh and Braveheart, whilst praising Buttler as little as possible. Just to point out, Jos scored 8 runs less off 38 fewer deliveries! Confused...

Posted by   on (March 5, 2014, 20:35 GMT)

Really happy for Joe Root upon scoring his maiden hundred and Jos Buttler's terrific innings of 99. I agree that they were not playing against a very strong bowling attack, but their innings today bode well for England's future. One can say that the post-Pietersen batting scenario for England has been greatly exaggerated. Root has been around for some time and Buttler's performance was never a case of 'If' but 'when'. Good luck to England. Really nice to see some new, exciting talent.

Posted by GrindAR on (March 5, 2014, 20:19 GMT)

what the fun... For eng main bowlers are toothless.. (all with 0 wickets). Part time bowlers are ripping the WI batting lineup...(everyone got wicket(s))

Posted by   on (March 5, 2014, 19:57 GMT)

If PERRY can get in the England side then anyone can. He reminds of a bowler from a local village team.

Posted by exuma on (March 5, 2014, 19:36 GMT)

No surprise WI are in tatters. In the recent concluded 50 over tournament. K Powell team was the worse, far worse than the college team and he did nothing. D smith made allot of runs, but was dropped early in every innings, easy regulation chances. Daren Bravo also made no significant scores, was tied down allot. When you are playing again a good international Team, with excellent fielding then the substandard first class cricket you were brought up on, begin to show up. I actually took the day off to watch WI, guess I am a bit disappointed. EXUMA.

Posted by   on (March 5, 2014, 18:29 GMT)

As an American trying to watch the West Indies play is a waste of time. Having to wake up early to catch the game and see that.

Posted by   on (March 5, 2014, 18:28 GMT)

Come on. Really. Are the openers ever show some guts. Absolute gutless.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (March 5, 2014, 18:18 GMT)

With regards to Buttler's caught-behind review, the side-by-side replays showed conclusively that he was not out. If you assume that the two views were synchronised, which I think that we have to do, then together they show that the bat did not touch the ball. While the side-on shot showed the ball passing the bat, the front-on shot showed daylight between bat and ball and when the front-on shot showed that the bat could be touching the ball, the side-on shot showed that the ball was past the bat.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (March 5, 2014, 18:06 GMT)

Good intent shown by England from the outset and a much better batting performance. Oddly enough, I think that it actually worked in their favour that they lost their first four wickets in two pairs. A wicket tends to pull the scoring rate back but because they only lost wickets twice in that period the scoring rate was only pulled back twice instead of four times. You have to wonder whether they have batted really well on a difficult surface today or the surface wasn't so difficult in the last game and they just batted really badly.

Posted by CodandChips on (March 5, 2014, 18:06 GMT)

Lumb played well on debut and so might be worth another go come Sri Lanka.

Shouldn't get too carried away. Only just scraped 300 (although on a spinning pitch and it should be enough against this batting line up). Also Ali has been sloppy and Lumb not batted as freely. Buttler doesnt look up for chasing, which as we've seen with Bopara is an issue for a finisher. But Bopara kicked the habit this match so hopefully Buttler will (sooner though and hopefully long term).

Wonder if Bresnan can prove me wrong. Hopefully he can, given he'll never be dropped.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (March 5, 2014, 18:03 GMT)

@R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (March 5, 2014, 13:37 GMT), it seems England's strike rate wasn't so bad and apparently they're not the only team that can get behind in the over-rate either. Who would have thought?

Posted by delboy on (March 5, 2014, 18:02 GMT)

If Simmons gets in I hope he exercises patience and do not try to hit 13 off one ball. Smith, lil Bravo and Powell have opportunity (target) to get big ones today.

Posted by CodandChips on (March 5, 2014, 17:56 GMT)

Despite my wishes Bopara & Bresnan were never going to get dropped. But at least Wright went.

Stokes should have played his last ODI for a long while. His career stats are dreadful. Root played well and hopefully this will be the catalyst for a golden run for him. Morgan can be forgiven for failing once given he has been the best player in recent times, although going early to spin will attract vultures. Ali scoring a 50 and improving his strike rate is pleasing- hopefully he'll get more of a bowl this game. Butter playing a mature innings is also pleasing although getting nervous around 90s will worry. Lumb played well on debut and so might

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (March 5, 2014, 13:37 GMT)

So who's going to have the higher strike-rates? This England team, or the South Africans fighting for their lives against Australia in their final test?

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