West Indies v England, 2nd T20, Barbados

WI show England the T20 way

Preview by Andrew McGlashan

March 10, 2014

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Match Facts

March 11, Barbados
Start time 2.00pm (1800GMT)

Injuries force lineup changes for 2nd T20

The Big Picture

The road to Bangladesh from Barbados is so far looking smoother for West Indies than England. Conditions in the first T20 may actually have given a fairer indication of what is come that some expected before the match. Spinners, and those taking pace off the ball, were the most effective bowlers: West Indies had by far the better balanced side.

Selection issues can, of course, be tweaked but it remains to be seen if that is enough for England whose short-form cricket has take a significant step back of late. They have now notched four defeats on the bounce - all comprehensive. The biggest issue is the batting and the fact that it still seems to sway from either block or bash with not much inbetween.

There are added issues for the visitors, too. Stuart Broad is sitting out the rest of the series and his stand-in as captain, Eoin Morgan, is not fully fit either. One of the spare batsmen in the squad, Ian Bell, has not played a Twenty20 match since January 2011 and the reserve seam bowlers are the inexperienced pair of Chris Jordan and Harry Gurney.

Stephen Parry gets through his action, West Indies v England, 2nd ODI, North Sound, March 2, 2014
Stephen Parry may earn his T20 debut on Tuesday © Getty Images

Everywhere you look in West Indies' line-up there is power with the bat, from Dwayne Smith and Chris Gayle at the top down to the captain Darren Sammy who was not needed in the first game.

Form guide

(completed matches, most recent first)
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Watch out for...

Marlon Samuels has called Samuel Badree West Indies' "trump card" going into the World T20 and that is some call considering his fellow spinner is Sunil Narine. Badree sped through this four overs two days ago and in the blink of an eye had 3 for 17 as England's top order flayed hopelessly. The tactic can't be just to play him out, somehow plans have to formed to score off him otherwise the Powerplay will go to waste.

Are England making the best use of Ravi Bopara? While he is adjusting to the finishers role in the ODI side, it appears a waste to have an in-form batsman down at No. 6 in the Twenty20 outfit. Bopara, himself, has said he would like a chance higher up the order and he also possesses the power to clear the rope, but it is pointless him doing so when the team is already in a mess. The impact of his medium-pace cutters highlighted the error of England's selection in the opening match.

Team news

Sunil Narine did not need a scan on the knee he jarred on the first game, but there remains a chance he could be rested as a precaution. With an eye on the World T20, West Indies may switch their pace-bowling options around and have a look at either Krishmar Santokie and Sheldon Cottrell, the two left-armers in the squad. Johnson Charles and Andre Fletcher are the batsmen waiting in the wings.

West Indies (possible) 1 Chris Gayle, 2 Dwayne Smith, 3 Marlon Samuels, 4 Lendl Simmons, 5 Dwayne Bravo, 6 Denesh Ramdin (wk), 7 Darren Sammy (capt), 8 Andre Russell, 9 Sunil Narine, 10 Ravi Rampaul, 11 Samuel Badree

Broad's injury and the need to adapt to conditions they misread on the opening game will mean changes for England. It could be the introduction of two spinners, Stephen Parry for Broad and perhaps Moeen Ali for the struggling Luke Wright. The form of Ben Stokes is also an issue. With Bell now confirmed in the World T20 squad the management will to give him some game time, too.

England (possible) 1 Alex Hales, 2 Michael Lumb, 3 Moeen Ali, 4 Eoin Morgan (capt), 5 Ben Stokes, 6 Jos Buttler (wk), 7 Ravi Bopara, 8 Tim Bresnan, 9 James Tredwell, 10 Jade Dernbach, 11 Stephen Parry

Pitch and conditions

It was a pitch pretty close to ideal for T20 in the opening match with enough pace and bounce to encourage strokeplay although the slower bowlers were still very effective. It should not have changed hugely after 40 overs.

Stats and trivia

  • Eoin Morgan needs 39 runs to become the second England batsman, after Kevin Pietersen, to score 1000 T20I runs

  • England's run of four consecutive defeats equals their longest losing run in T20

  • Lendl Simmons needs one run to reach 500 in T20Is


"We musn't panic from this game. We must look to take the confidence from the 50-over stuff, and come back in the next two.''
Graham Thorpe

"We have Ravi Rampaul, Dwayne Bravo and of course, Narine, who can defend any total."
Denesh Ramdin

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Posted by steve48 on (March 11, 2014, 17:45 GMT)

@JG2704; It is easier to say who should not be there, isn't it?! But you are definitely right about our approach to running and fielding. My earlier point was that it is not easy to smash good bowling for 4's and 6's, only a select few players can stand and deliver consistently. We don't really have players who play late enough, and are supple of wrist and mobile at the crease, which is why I am glad Bell is there. You need to be busy as well as powerful, get their captain questioning his field placings. As for Jade, I have to admit to being biased against his attitude, but if he gets the ball fuller and stops bowling a variety of long hops we need to stick with him for this tournament I guess...

Posted by anujbhasin56 on (March 11, 2014, 17:15 GMT)

Where are the KPs - Kevin Pieterson and Kieron Pollard?? Thought for England - Who wants to see Lumb when you have KP.....WI - Is pollard injured, why is he not playing for last 2-3 months?

Posted by JG2704 on (March 11, 2014, 16:27 GMT)

@steve48 - CTD

As I pointed out in previous threads also feel tactics etc are as big a problem as personnel.

Re batting - I hate the way our hitters will hit a 4 or 6 and then have a couple of dots rather than follow it up with a single. I also wonder how many more runs could be scored by aggressive running? Re bowling/fielding. We so often hold bowlers overs back after a decent 1st spell and then they come back at the death and go for runs. If they're on top of the game - taking wkts/not conceeding 1st time round why not bowl them for longer where they may even put the inns to bed? Also wish we'd squeeze a bit more in the field - not let batsmen find a rhythm.

From the T20 squad we have in the WC (presuming Bell is there) my team would be

Hales,Lumb,Bell,Ali,Morgan,Buttler,Bopara,Tredwell,Parry and 2 from Bres,Dernbach,Jordan

Also flexible so Morgan and Jos come up the order if they are only 1 or 2 down after 10-12 overs

Posted by JG2704 on (March 11, 2014, 16:15 GMT)

@steve48 - Just wondering who you think should be there - who is not there?

Patel is a fair shout. Ali is in the squad already.

But yes I agree that we have gone too heavy on pace with not enough spin options. So from the squad right now I'd definitely bring someone like Patel in for someone like Stokes. As for Bopara - the commentators were saying that he bats too low but are they forgetting all the times he almost fell asleep at the crease.It's a shame as he has all the talent but I'm not sure he has the urgency to go with it. Also imagine if Bopara comes in at 3 or 4 and then stagnates the RR and you have guys like Morgan and Buttler in the hutch? I'll openly admit that there are inns when I have wanted Bopara to get out early so he doesnt stagnate the RR. Despite his figures I liked the way Dernbach bowled last time out.Most of his balls were full and his 3rd over (which was expensive) he was unlucky not to get Samuels with the 1st ball of the over.

Posted by steve48 on (March 11, 2014, 15:00 GMT)

JG2704, thanks for the comments. Agree about Lumb and esp Hales, but they are far better against seam bowling, and the ball coming on to the bat. Bopara is a proper enigma, probably only kept in by his bowling! Buttler is actually a big favourite of mine, but a diet of late over slogging has taken its toll on him, and with the lack of spin, esp mystery spin means he is really struggling when faced with spin at the start of his innings. Anyone better, maybe not, but my point is we should have been putting a suitable, horses for courses side together for THIS tournament since the last one finished. I love all forms of the game, and want to see us plan seriously for these tournaments. I mean, even if we did misread the pitch for the first T20, give the guys who are going to play in Bangladesh a go now. One spinner? Ali and Patel should have been in, Bell too. Surely we don't plan to play 4 seamers?

Posted by Bajanstar on (March 11, 2014, 14:14 GMT)

'Everywhere you look in West Indies' line-up there is power with the bat, from Dwayne Smith and Chris Gayle at the top down to the captain Darren Sammy'.

If I may make a slight correction: In West Indies' line-up there is power with the bat, from Dwayne Smith #1 to Andre Russell #8. Andre Russell is an explosive hitter when needed. I think he's right up there with Dwayne Smith.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 14:01 GMT)

what about Moeen Ali?One has to think sensibly,what does Moeen Ali offer and what does Luke Wright offer?Elegance and useful spin v slogging and mediocre ""hit me" bowling....

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 13:31 GMT)

hales and lumb are looking useless at top of the order. well done bopara and bresnan will your batting . Rest of the team are not doing enough

Posted by iHitWicket on (March 11, 2014, 13:13 GMT)

England are missing KEVIN PIETERSEN.

Posted by JG2704 on (March 11, 2014, 12:30 GMT)

@steve48 Wright looks hopeless at the moment and prob should be dropped but I think Lumb and Hales have been OK for England up front. The latter was rated the best T20 batsman in the world until a few months ago. Re Stokes - I agree. I think for a SF all rounder to be a success - his SR as a batsman has to outdo his ER as a bowler - IE if as a batsman you are scoring at 8.5 runs an over your bowling ER should be less than 8.5 and Stokes is not. Re Buttler - he needs to show consistency in England colours but is there any WK who would do any better vs spin with the bat? Re Bopara - NO. Keep him right down the order.Bopara is one of the most selfish batsmen in our side and would rather finish not out with the side nowhere near reaching the target than sacrifice his wicket for quick runs. He has been proven time and again in shorter formats for England that he is a serial stagnater of runs wherever he has batted. At least down the order he does less damage to the team

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 11:33 GMT)

England is missing KP and Bopara cannot do it alone . The T20 squad need some "big hitters" in there . Its "swipe" cricket , not the good old time stuff where Ian Bell will be the star .

Posted by steve48 on (March 11, 2014, 11:03 GMT)

We were never going to prosper in this world T20 cos of the pitches, but we don't half make it worse with our selections. Forget KP for a moment, just why do we think guys NOWHERE NEAR test standard can smash international bowling around, especially if the ball is turning? Bell should always have been selected, as opener. Why are we trying to ruin Ben Stokes? He is not ready for this at limited overs, definitely not his bowling. Give Bopara a go up the order, where he wants to be. Samit Patel must play in the world cup, so pick him now. We have known where we are going to play the tournament for a while now, what are Hales, Lumb, Wright and Stokes doing there? Buttler is a question mark in a spin dominated tournament! Why do we keep trying to trundle the same squad around, regardless of conditions? And I haven't even mentioned Jade....

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 10:45 GMT)

england will win this match 100%

Posted by Damo_s on (March 11, 2014, 10:16 GMT)

England lack consistency at the moment. The batsmen usually fail miserably but occasionally do well (Bresnan and Bopara this time). We will never win tournaments playing like this. There is no doubt a huge amount of talent in the squad but they need to learn how to build t20 innings. A huge concern is the bowling. The squad is full of ok but not world class bowlers. Not one pof our bowlers will make the opposition look at and think "oo, we better just play him out". Bascically, we are fairly rubbish at the moment and have no chance at the world cup against the better sides, or in this current series against this WI team.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 10:14 GMT)

who will win 2day match ?

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 10:08 GMT)

in t20 format of cricket WI is the king..in home ground specially..

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 9:51 GMT)

Have they really brought (arguably) England's best batsman to the West Indies to have him watch when we need some stability at the top of the order. Bell must play and help to ensure a solid start - this will give the Buttlers and Boparas license towards the end of the innings (not coming in at 30 for 4 or suchlike). incidentally Bell can score as fast as any body - I seem to remember him taking Steven Smith apart.

Posted by ASk_Rockers on (March 11, 2014, 9:49 GMT)

No chance of winning WC for ENG.

Posted by JG2704 on (March 11, 2014, 8:53 GMT)

I wonder if it's possible for there to be a thread about England SF cricket without mentioning KP's absence and how long it will take for these posts to fizzle out?

I felt they should have retained KP for the 2 series vs WI and the WC even if they wanted to drop him from the test side - as there is no Cook or Prior (who it seems were the guys who KP fell out so badly with) in the side.

However , is KP even the same SF player he was - even a year or 2 ago , let alone 3 or 4 years ago? I have my doubts? England are not unbeatable with KP in the side and are capable of winning without him in the side.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 8:52 GMT)

england needs KP whether they like it or not.moize

Posted by JG2704 on (March 11, 2014, 8:46 GMT)

@Noorali Dharani on (March 11, 2014, 4:22 GMT) What I found most baffling is the pace heavy attck they selected when they had so much more success with spin/slow options in the ODI series in similar conditions.

Posted by 11_Warrior on (March 11, 2014, 8:19 GMT)

KP! England need just one man.

Posted by whofriggincares on (March 11, 2014, 6:32 GMT)

KP would have done this and KP would have done that , and KP is the best and Blah,Blah,Blah. Nobody could get on with the guy and he was more trouble than he was worth in the end , let him go , It's over , move on pleeease. I also remember English fans saying how he would take down the Aussie "second tier spinner" as well and I guess that ended badly for him.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 6:06 GMT)

Biggest problem we (England) have is our Ego. We always talk big and end up loosing matches. Is it not better to keep our big mouths shut, perform in the middle, win the matches and then talk if we must. We did the same before we went down under. Same again, how good a team we have, we bat deep, we have the best bowlers etc. History keeps repeating itself.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 5:02 GMT)

Is England missing KP? Or, their misplaced self-importance can erase all un-savory memories?

England without KP is similar to India without Dhoni. Don't ask me why I am comparing a batsman with a WK-batsman. I know. I am talking about fortunes in the World-cup. For India, in the Asia cup, Dhoni in place of DK would have made all the difference. I wonder whether England's fortune in WI would have been different with KP in the team.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 4:22 GMT)

what is he talking about(graham thorpe) Learn from the first game and come back in the next two.didn't they learn anything from the t20 played in Australi.they did the same thing there.they need to give themselves by building the innings and not just go out there bang bang hit or miss and put all the pressure on the middle and lower order.time is running out for them they nust learn and act fast before it's too late.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 3:51 GMT)

play Jade Dernbach. He will be very effective with his well disguised slower ball

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 3:00 GMT)

England is making too many unnecessary changes

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 2:54 GMT)

The flower led England have always been reluctant to change the batting line up, it goes back to when Flower had the genius idea of using Bell as an ODI finisher, then the bell was dropped, recalled at the top of the order and done well. Then with Bell again after Trott worries came around, again they learnt the hard way, now Bopara at 7, seriously ? Maybe he has to fail and return to get a gig at the top of the order.

England need to accept that their order of creating and inflexible order and forcing players to play against their natural game isn't going to work, how many times do they have to fail to learn ?

Btw KP would have made a mess of that second tier spinner that took 3-17

Posted by SamWintson92 on (March 11, 2014, 2:31 GMT)

My teams for 2nd T20I:

WI XI: 1 Gayle 2 D Smith 3 Samuels 4 Simmons 5 DW Bravo 6 Russell 7 Sammy (C) 8 Ramdin (WK) 9 Narine (if fit)/Rampaul 10 Badree 11 Santokie

ENG XI: 1 Hales 2 Lumb 3 Moeen 4 Morgan (C) 5 Bopara 6 Buttler (WK) 7 Stokes (Last chance to perform) 8 Bresnan 9 Tradewell 10 Parry 11 Dernbach (In specially for his last over in last match, if he goes for plenty in this match then he's out)

For me, Eng team should be renamed as ''ENG DUMPING KP'' team. World must be laughing hard looking at Eng has discarded their best batman KP !

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 2:19 GMT)

Ramdim must be honest give honour to whom honour is due,Santokie W I best t20 bowler,CPL player of the tournament. Its not a Trini thing. I would never make a Trini captain!

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (March 11, 2014, 1:02 GMT)

Not much to choose betw. the 2 sides.Both are among weakest in the format,though Eng crumbled in 1st game wont surprise if WI do in this.Or can we expect a close contest this time?Both these unfancied teams are unlikely to be threat in t20 wc unlike Aus.

Posted by   on (March 11, 2014, 0:00 GMT)

So this stuttering England side is getting the Windies' tails up is it? Tough to tell if this confidence will hur or harm them... but unless Gayle pulls it out of his behind, this West Indies side, with its technical deficiencies and propensity for drifting, flatters to deceive in my opinion. We shall see.... Looking forward to this t20 competition and think Black Caps have good chance, albeit no Rydr is a big blow!

Posted by   on (March 10, 2014, 23:37 GMT)

England may have gotten away with spin previously but they cannot hide anymore especially with SL in their t20 group. Moeen should get his go at T20 and also after T20 world cup should debut in the test team.

Posted by wapuser on (March 10, 2014, 22:55 GMT)

Its a pity we dont have the services of polly and roach...otherwise this WI T20 team would have almost been perfect to defend their title in the up coming world t20 cup

Posted by kc69 on (March 10, 2014, 22:35 GMT)

I know one thing for sure in any form of cricket, no matter how many specialist batsmen you bring in English team without Kevin Pietersen looks like a fragile lineup.

Posted by JG2704 on (March 10, 2014, 22:27 GMT)

I reckon - and am not against it - they may well bring in Bell. I'm sure they'll want to have a look at him. Dropping Stokes may leave us lacking in pace options but from wjat I've seen of our pace options in recent years that may not be a bad thing. A year or 2 ago I'd have said for Bell to be nowhere near the side but when he is in a fluent mode (which isnt often enough) he is a big asset. If Dernbach bowls like he did in much of the last game then I'd be happy for him to have another run. Just keep the slower variations to a minimum so that they ARE variations and not the norm

Posted by PakCricZindabad on (March 10, 2014, 22:16 GMT)

T20 Team 1. S Khan- (Avg 34 w/ 1 Int'l 50 & SR of 141.66 & 29.19 FC Avg w/ 5; 50's) #1 OR 2. Babar Azam - (Avg 40.87 FC w/ 2; 50's & SR of 115.54) #1 2. A Shehzad - (Avg: 25-30 w/ 3; Int'l 50's & 16 FC 50's & SR of 115.28) #2 3. M Hafeez - Capt (Avg: 25.51 w/ 7; 50's & SR of 118.48) #3 4. S Maqsood - (Avg: 16.66 Int'l & SR of 133.33 & 25.29 Avg FC w/ 2; 50's) #4 OR 4. Harris Sohail - (Avg: 48.13 Int'l FC w/ 6; 50's & SR of 108.73) 5. U Akmal - (Avg: 27.32 Int'l w/ 5; 50's & SR of 120.24) #5 6. S Afridi - (Avg: 18.98 Int'l w/ 4; 50's & SR of 143.01 ) #6 7. S Malik (Avg: 23.25 Int'l w/ 3; 50's & SR of 106.83) #7 OR 7. K Akmal (Avg: 21.76 w/ 5; 50's & SR of 123.22) #7 8. B Bhatti #8 9. Z Babar #9 10. S Ajmal #10 11. U Gul #11 11. J Khan - If Gul Is Not Performing, He Should Play)#11

Chances should be given to the non-selected players if the player chosen in there place does not perform. Some might say, why K Akmal & Malik? The duo is experienced, but this should be there last chance.

Posted by   on (March 10, 2014, 21:51 GMT)

windies will win this match

Posted by   on (March 10, 2014, 21:51 GMT)

Why no Ian Bell in 1st T20? Such a great player of spin. What if he has not played a T20 INT. since Jan 2011. Should replace the struggling Luke wright in the 2nd T20.

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