West Indies v India, 3rd Test, Dominica, 5th day

Fletcher defends abandoned chase

Sriram Veera at Windsor Park

July 10, 2011

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It is a sign of the times that India not pressing for a Test win and remaining content with a 1-0 series victory becomes raging news. Not long ago, India's supporters would have lapped up the series win with glee. The times, they are a-changing. Of course, not long ago, India weren't the No.1 team in the world. On Sunday, ESPNcricinfo's commentary feedback was filled with angry emails, raging against the decision to give up the chase in Dominica. "Shame on India. Black day for cricket," screamed one. "Calling off a Test match needing 86 runs off 90 balls looks crazy to me," said another. Fire was raging in India. Peace and joy in Babylon.

And so curiosity prevailed at the press conference to see the Indian team's reply to that criticism. Duncan Fletcher, India's coach, turned up. And he decided to counterattack. He got increasingly irritated with the constant questioning. Surely he expected it?

Two minutes into the conference, Fletcher was beginning to steam. "I said it before. It [run-scoring on that pitch] was difficult. Once it got to four or five runs per over we were struggling to score. We were struggling to score three runs per over. The side decided it was difficult to get those runs and thought what's the point in going there and ending up maybe with just one side able to win it."

Three and half minutes into it, he was fed up. "Huh ... I have covered it. I have been repeating myself the whole time. I have told you it was difficult to score runs. If a man on 40 is struggling to score at three runs an over, how can you expect someone to go in there and knock five or six runs an over?"

His reaction wouldn't have surprised many. When he coached England, the local press called him Mr. Grumpy. How he manages the media shouldn't be an issue; how he manages the Indian team is the real deal, and by the perception you get from talking to players, he has started off on a fine note. Still, the abandoned chase rankled many.


Duncan Fletcher speaks to the press ahead of his first international game as India's coach, Queen's Park Oval, Port of Spain, June 3, 2011
Duncan Fletcher: "How is someone who goes in there meant to suddenly start scoring five runs per over?" © Associated Press
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He offered explanations for giving up. The chief reason according to him was the pitch. It was a difficult track to score runs on. It wasn't hard to stay in there but apparently it was tough to get moving, especially for the new batsmen. The fall of Suresh Raina sealed it for the team. "Once Raina was sent in he found it very difficult. He had gone there as the left-hander to take on the legspin bowler. But it was turning straightaway; they block off one side and it's always difficult to chase four runs an over in a Test match because you can do what you like with the field; there are no fielding limitations, and the most important thing was the wicket was very slow. Once it's so slow you can't play your shots, and that's a huge advantage for the bowling side. Unless there was some real bad bowling it was difficult to score."

Raina played 18 deliveries and scored eight runs. There were no boundaries. Fletcher said that more than his dismissal, the fact that he was unable to score during his stay was what decided the matter for them. "If he had gone in there and hit a couple of boundaries and then got out we would have said let's keep going because it's easy to score runs. Even Rahul [Dravid] said it wasn't easy to score runs."

The feeling one got was that perhaps someone like Virat Kohli could have been sent in ahead of VVS Laxman and asked to have a go. Kohli had had a poor series and there was nothing to lose. He would, perhaps, have cherished the opportunity to get out there, make a name for himself and get some confidence.

There is this other thought that's prevalent in the Indian fans' minds. Shouldn't the world's No.1 team go out there and make a statement? Wouldn't Australia at their prime have gone for it? "Well, you don't think we made a statement here?", Fletcher responded when the question was put to him. "I think we made a statement. We came here with four top players missing - Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar and Zaheer - and we have won 1-0; I think that's quite a statement. We are not sitting back on it, because at the end of the day we would have liked to have won 4-1 in the ODIs and 2-0 in the Tests. And that could have happened in Barbados. We have to look at this one and say this was a tough one to win. In Barbados, with another half an hour, if the bad light hadn't come in I think we could have won.

"I just think that when you look back at the pessimism with which people reacted when this side was selected, winning three series is great achievement."

Fletcher said he was happy with the series as a whole and there were many positives to emerge. "This series has been very good. Some youngsters were given an opportunity and especially the bowlers. Ishant Sharma winning the Man of the Series has shown a lot of promise. Unfortunately for Munaf, he had to sit out the first two Tests and it was very hard to ask him to come here, and a bloke like PK would have obviously found it very difficult with this very slow wicket and it didn't really swing. From a bowling point of view they should have learnt a lot and hopefully they have.

"Only thing is, it would have been nice if some of the batsmen had got some runs but it was good at the end of the day that all the batsmen got runs at some stage and that is very good for the England series."

Fletcher said the experience would be immensely beneficial to the young batsmen. "Just to be involved with the legends like Rahul Dravid and Laxman will only do them good. It was very difficult for them."

He turned avuncular for a moment and showed great understanding and sympathy for the likes of Virat Kohli, M Vijay, S Badrinath. "It's more difficult for young Indian cricketers than anyone else because they are given such limited opportunity and they have to try and replace these great players. They just put pressure on themselves and you can't stop putting that kind of pressure on yourself. You know you just get one or two opportunities and it will affect you. Hopefully they have learnt the mental side of things and it will do them some good."

Just don't ask him about the chase, though.

Sriram Veera is a staff writer at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by darkknight1072 on (July 14, 2011, 10:20 GMT)

A good leader knows when to push forward and when to abandon and save his followers. Sir Ernest Henry Shackleton, in 1909, had to turn back within the miles from being first man to reach south pole, to save his troops. After all the hardship and a thousand mile walk, they returned to England to be welcomed as heros and he was knighted for the attempt. They did not crucify him for not reaching the pole. Thats whats called leadership. Dhoni had to make an appropriate decision, and we can all go to hell arguing about this for rest of our lives. We (Media and people) are not matured enough to able to take e series defeat or draw. Until then, Dhoni's is right.

Posted by greeny69 on (July 14, 2011, 8:56 GMT)

This is the difference between australia and the rest they would have gone for a win. Anyway if india are number 1 they should have won the test series 3-0 against the number 7 in the world

Posted by CandidIndian on (July 14, 2011, 0:05 GMT)

Sine WI were 1-0 down they should have fought till last ball too,wasn't that giving up and being defensive? but then WI are no 7 and they are expected to be defensive.However its Fletcher who knows better how conditions were ,still India should have gone for the chase being the no 1 team.

Posted by   on (July 13, 2011, 22:33 GMT)

Chase or not to chase. Not to chase will be a difficult sell for Fletcher. Cricket fans thru out the world love a challenge. Its about the FIRE IN YR BELLY & DOMINANCE ask CLIVE & RICKY. Qualities real champs possess.

Posted by   on (July 13, 2011, 7:21 GMT)

if the media is against Fletcher now then it is good. Because it the same media which was overwhelmed when Chappel was appointed, though they later changed their sides.

Posted by   on (July 13, 2011, 2:17 GMT)

India giving up the chase...... was just being a 'CHICKEN' and made TEST Cricket boring. Come on Champs u can do better .....lol

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 19:39 GMT)

It's nothing but a shame for number one ranked team in test cricket.Champions always go for wins.180 in 47 ovrs was not a difficult task,it was chasable.

Posted by bestofluckindia on (July 12, 2011, 16:39 GMT)

Its shameful on part of us Indian fans that we quickly change sides immediately against our team. So what if they won 1-0 instead of 3-0, we saw them play, we enjoyed the cricket and we would love to see them play more and more. All we can do is watch them play. Let them be the judge of the cricketing decisions, strategies, team selections. And as a fan if we cannot respect their decisions and support them then shame on us.

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 15:29 GMT)

No matter what people think, I am satisfied with the result. When people compare India with say the Ozzies or the Windies of the past, they comfortably forget that these past great teams were never "under-strength" teams. These teams were full of their star studded players unlike the current Indian team, which consists of junior and inexperienced players. Some one criticized Dravid and called for his head. Not every weapon in meant for any and everything. Same goes with Dravid, he is "the wall". He brings stability to the team, of course at the expense of speedy scoring. There are others like Sehwag for pacy scoring. Just cherish the moment, be happy the young troops gained valuable experience, move on and look forward to the English challenge. Peace.

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 13:45 GMT)

I think India are going to lose to England. They have lost the stream which was there by the end of the first and second test.

Posted by Harshtmm on (July 12, 2011, 13:22 GMT)

thats why I never liked this guy. England was week worm of the earth team when he was coach and look what he has done to India already. How was it difficult to scoring for India and not for K.Edwards and Chanders, don't tell me they are more talented than Indian batsmen. Dhoni never gave excuses like this before. what a coach we got, bravo!

Posted by Midonoff on (July 12, 2011, 12:24 GMT)

I know that the Indian team would have like to bowl out west indies for lest than 300 runs, to make an easier run chase. But the urgency they showed to get the last 2 wickets was to give a good runs chase no matter what the tota - IPL style. Viewers was robbed in my opion. India had a good series though.

Posted by kapsy on (July 12, 2011, 11:00 GMT)

I'm not calling for their blood but Team India have let themselves and their fans down by opting out of their run chase. They have to 'learn' to be No.1 and let safe play be a thing of the past. One doesn't have to go too far back in history to see how the Aussies "manned up" and retained their numero uno position for so long. Defensive comments from Fletcher & Dhoni don't befit the world's best team.

Posted by adman63 on (July 12, 2011, 10:55 GMT)

The probability of losing was miniscule. The probability of winning was much higher. The spirit of a champion was missing. The purpose of the game was lost. The pride of the Indian fan was hurt. But, India won the series.

Posted by Aristocratt on (July 12, 2011, 8:57 GMT)

I think Duncan Fletcher will do to this Indian team what the East India Company did to the people of this country. He will fatten his own kitty, but by the time he is gone he would have depleted the Indian cricket team's collective guts, resolve and winning ways. A coach who is too busy defending Otis Gibson, too busy promoting West Indian cricket, and very comfortable evading the real issue ----- the lack of guts displayed by his team on day five at Dominica ----- has something missing inside him. Sure he may be the best we have right now, but post Gary Kirsten, this man Duncan feels a bit like uncovered, badly iced, roadside sugarcane juice after a glass of exquisite, red Bordeaux wine. Fletch was so "impressed with the WI team, the way they put things together, the way they warmed up…" Come on, Duncan, wake up. You are the coach of Team India. If this is what he's saying about the WI, what will he be saying about England in England?

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 8:46 GMT)

Rather poor effort from India, sure they did win the series, but it feels rather more like a LOSS in the grand scheme of things. A 0-1 defeat against the No.1 side in the world is really a WIN for WI considering the state of WI cricket in recent times. Sammy & the Windies deserve much credit, they have showed some true grit (and talent at times) the last few series and they are slowly making progress & I dare say if they can remain a tight knit group & keep working hard the results will come. I like Sammy, sure he does not have the raw natural talent of the big names, but he's got a decent cricket brain, plays to his strengths and gives 100%. If he can just get his batting ave up to 25 & keep his bowling ave under 30, he could be part of the backbone of the team for a good 5 years +

Posted by VenkatBaggu on (July 12, 2011, 7:56 GMT)

Now we can understand

What Sehwag can do

Posted by AjitNarayan on (July 12, 2011, 6:58 GMT)

As soon as Dhoni sent Dravid in at 3, you knew India had seconds thoughts on going for the win. Laxman would have been in a 3 and Dravid probably around 5 or 6 if they were going for the win. As an Indian fan, I was a little disappointed, but we all know Dhoni was happy for a 1-0 series win.

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 6:37 GMT)

There's no point in bragging about it now.Yes, India should've chased it down.But we can't actually blame Dhoni..We're not always right...We're humans after all......He's an instinctive captain and he knows what's good & what's not...

Posted by Ramamurthy.P.V. on (July 12, 2011, 6:32 GMT)

Declaration may not helped India ...But the draw has ensured that the cricket will be alive in West Indies- the "victory lap" of west indian team and the response from the crowd proves it...To summarise in two sentences- India won the series. Crowd in west indies have, at last, got little of what they want- which means cricket in west Indies is alive...Both matters a lot to us....Afetr all west indies has contributed a lot to cricket and they deserve it

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 6:29 GMT)

Sorry,Mr Fletcher with all these excuses u cant justify India being no 1 team. I have answers to all your excuses: the pitch was not for run scorin but who was responsibl for 8th wkt stand, Was their nobody 2 say 2 Bhajji 2 bowl on outside off stump line.Hewas throwing it way down the leg side. Not even a single wrong one was sent in by bahjji,there were far too easy single for Chanderpaul. Sudn't have Dhoni asked him to go over the top or deny him strike for few overs?He got a single every time he needed.A spread out field for no.10. A tail-ender is a tail- ender afterall no matter how much time he has spent in the middle & that too in a precarious situation WI were. How will u justify that Mr. Fletcher. Would not a bowl which got Sammy was all that was required 2 get rid off Edwards? let us com 2 bating: We knew always that 47overs were never gong to be bowled, IND sud hav gone for it like a 30ovr game, Ispent my hole nit for it when Lax came 2 bat, IND had given up. No1 vanis soon

Posted by gothetaniwha on (July 12, 2011, 6:27 GMT)

Looks like Fletcher will play for 0/0 three draws in England already .

Posted by bbn007 on (July 12, 2011, 6:20 GMT)

in ODIs it's a possible target. but in TESTs in slow track that's hard to score runs who is @40. i was watching the live telicast.... vijay tried to score some quick runs but he could't get it. am't shamed of being an indian. lets cheer fo the series win... this happened in this tour is't happened in the past tours.... so as an indian am proud to saay that they done it for good... if they went for the 2-0 win and got lost(1-1), the all media, all will not support them....

Posted by jonesy2 on (July 12, 2011, 6:10 GMT)

this is classic pommy sporting mindset now haunting india!! haha i look forward to fletcher taking them down the rankings.

Posted by BULTY on (July 12, 2011, 6:02 GMT)

I agree with Fletcher on why India dropped the chase. Yes, WI would have liked to add a few more runs early on the 5th day and perhaps think of a sporting declaration to see if their bowlers could India out cheaply.A veteran like Shiv was finding it difficult to get even the singles & two's, leave alone 4's & 6's. Many people had not the guts to go for the kill. Remember 4 experienced players did not go on this WI and many questions were asked on the composition of the team and many had written off the team winning matches, leave alone series. That they won all the three series, T20, ODI and Test match, is a great motivation to the youngsters. How difficult it is to win chasing in the 4th inning on the 5th day of a test match will be better explained by the likes of Gavaskar & Co. WI tour always has been difficult for India and no Indian team has ever achieved more than one win in a test series in WI, in the back drop of a match lost on 5th day 4th innings chase in Chandigarh.

Posted by KunalShri on (July 12, 2011, 5:58 GMT)

To all the fans who are disappointed... don't be.... let me take you to the series just before the world cup.... Indian team had gone to South Africa and you can say they kind of struggled out in the middle.... but my dear friends all of us know what happened in the world cup thereafter... so this may be a very intelligent ploy of the Mighty Indian team to undermine themselves... and to catch the English team a bit too relaxed. This team has been there and done that. they know there jobs well and better than us. They are very much aware that this England series id a golden opportunity for them to show the world that they have been at the top for 2 years and why... All the best to the team who has made a name in the world of sports as best. We can proudly say that at least we are NO. 1 in one of the sports played across the Globe. Go India Go.... Cheerz!!!!

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 5:28 GMT)

being the no.1 team and having the players like dhoni, kohli, bhajji and praveen still to bat... i think we must have atleast tried for the chase till all of them get bak to pavillion and the must have sent in laxman to defend the match for a draw if the power hitting lineup fails to get to the target... bcos a no.1 team should have the quality of getting the impossible thing done.... but this is a possible target... and team like us replacing the team like australia in no.1 place and even having the tougf competition from south africa its not a good decision to step back instead of charging ahead..... but the decision is already made....

atleast this shud not repeat in future because... a game should always give a thrill to the spectators and satisfy the players...

had they tried to chase... they must have boosted their confidence of having a brave heart to take up the responcibilities.....................

Posted by Aristocratt on (July 12, 2011, 5:01 GMT)

Send him to Webster for a month, he needs the conditioning more than anyone else.

Get real Team India. Even D Sammy was shocked at how easily it let go of a winning opportunity. Attitude will always determine the Altitude. This wasn't the best from a side that's No. 1 in Test cricket, and the World Cup champions.

Posted by fanofteamindia on (July 12, 2011, 4:43 GMT)

I am sure all the people talking India should have gone for the chase were not playing the match. We can say all these things sitting in our homes without knowing what the pitch was like actually.They have become no1 using these kind of tactics only which other teams haven't been able to. And as for the number one ranking, it doesn't say India is the best team ever. it says India is the best of the current lot which is true.

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 4:42 GMT)

i agree they dont have the courage or the brutal killer instinct of an Australia or West Indies in their prime. Actually most of their issues have been blanketed by either inferior sides or flat pitches. i feel a true test will be England but still this is not a number 1 side. 1 - 0 victory over windies is actually equal to a tied series since windies are really reeling. There were points in this match where they had 2 fit bowlers and one was sammy. Still they pegged india down and took wickets. Its truely disappointing from india as they couldnt score with any pace and couldnt even chase 190 at 4 an over after they struggled to clear the WEST INDIES TAIL. Actually this is truely pathetic in this day and age. India showed they are cowardly champions which is not something we are used to seeing from number one sides after Australia changed the nature of the sport with their aggression!

Posted by JustIPL on (July 12, 2011, 4:17 GMT)

It doesn't suit the world champions to always find excuses. Everyone knows that they are No.1 due to the past performance of greats like SRK, Wall, VVS, VSS, Kumble, Harbhajan and Zaheer. Dhoni and Gambhir came in via A-team route and augmented. Now atlesat Tendulkar, Laxman and Dravid in the veteran category so they should avoid the excuse of not having them. Going two points down on the ranking shows that their decline will start as soon as these stalwarts finally retire if not before. We have to accept that windies took advantage of India's experimentation and have done really well without some players were automatic choice for their teams for a long time. Raina and Paraveen are the find of the tour for India and this advantage will certainly be useful in England. Also, India will get couple of players from emerging tournament. Keeping this in view India have to sustain in the short run being calculated as they were in the last test against WI and then find replacements of quality.

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 4:14 GMT)

The Windies would have chased it. Fletcher must know they erred. Small target, 10 wickets in hand. No pitch is that slow that they couldn't have tried. If it didn't work they could have blocked. They couldn't have lost. If India want to stay No. 1 they MUSt learn killer instinct. That's what Lloyd & Richards' teams had and why they were No. 1 so long. And what an opportunity for the young players to take part in a great victory. Instead they wouldn't have learned much to help them in the future. Disappointing Fletcher.

Posted by ramsharat on (July 12, 2011, 4:13 GMT)

India should have gone for the win but things like these do take place. Guys if u have not forgotten last time when India toured down under and after winning Perth test the series was 2-1 in aussies favour and then at adilede aussies were content to secure the series and settled for a draw!! so when a win is required I think India would go for it...

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 4:01 GMT)

IT's one of the worst decision to stop at that point of time.Without trying anything how you could say its difficult to score.Its bad signal for indian cricket , we should play aggressive cricket as a No:1 team.Dhoni could have tried raina, virat kohli and harbajan up in the order instead of dravid and laxman.Indians would like to see more aggressive tactics from the coach like the gutsy declaration in the second test.Without any level effort giving up a winning chance is really bad sign for any good team.

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 3:32 GMT)

I have not read any of the comments but here is what I would say. India is Number 1 partly because its just edging on series victories of this nature, but they still do not have the courage of No. 1 team. Last time in England when dravid was captain he had said yes sitting in the living room I would think india should have asked Eng to follow on but I wanted to secure the series. Well, that seem have become a habit these days to india, I was looking at the Aus Vs SA scoreboard where RTP scored a rampat century chasing 287 in 60 odd overs where as 76 overs were remaining. Oz and windies were the real no. 1 when they where no. 1 India should have alteast tried until the 5th wicket, they could have asked bajji and praveen to blast and then Dhoni could have come in and in the mean time asking dravid to tie up one end. well Again I in the living room making these plans. I hope Dhoni doesn't miss such tricks, fear of losing might have forced this decesion. 2 win = -2 Rating points

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 3:03 GMT)

All said and done,fact remains that Team India Think Tank didn't quite explore the possibility of forcing a win that was by no means impossible, with likes of MS Dhoni ,Suresh Raina,Virat Kohli and the pinch-hitter Harbhajan around.The Team as a whole lacked intent,positivity and aggressive attitude and approach that was the need of the hour.Wicket had not deteriorated to warrant extra caution .West Indian bowling attack was not looking menacing either.With slight reshuffle in the batting order,India could have at least made an attempt to force a win.Murali Vijay,with nothing more to lose was showing positive intent but lacked support from the other end.India could have lost a couple of wickets more pursuing a dare-devil approch at the start of the innings.But things could have gone in favour of India as well ...one cannot deny ! Most importantly,the scoreline could have been 2-Nil.That would have done more justice to India's Top Ranking in Test Cricket ...

Posted by g.narsimha on (July 12, 2011, 2:00 GMT)

while comparing iIndia with Aus the India bashers convinently forget that theNO1 AUS never dominated IND .infact IND was the only team during those days challenged the AUS HOMEaAWAY IND stopped ihe winning streak of AUS at that time IND was rated far below the mighty AUS .DHONI should have gone fora kill instead of opting for adraw we hope better agressive appraoch againstENG.The entire series have been played in a very good spirit .More over INDIANS might have been laking motivation as we are playing against our BROTHERS WESTINDIANS

Posted by Silloh on (July 12, 2011, 1:43 GMT)

India whether they will claim there stars were missing must not forget that WI is ranked about 7th among other test teams. Having seen Dhoni's sporting declaration in the 2nd test, it is surprising and difficult to come to terms with reasons given by Fletcher for calling off the match prematurely. Sure the pitch seemed difficult to bat on but Dravid and Dhoni were still there. Happy Windies drew the match , but you bet England is watching and #1 India may be in for a big surprise. Well done Windies . We may have lost the series but from that series, with a few exceptions we are regaining that spirit to give a 100%. We will not claim our two experienced guys , Gayle and Bravo were also missing.

Posted by Vidyashankar on (July 12, 2011, 1:21 GMT)

I think if Viru Sehwag was there India would have gone for the target. Remember the chase against England at Chennai in 2008. Viru set up that game. Hope he plays all the upcoming tests vs. England.

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 0:50 GMT)

In my opinion, this does not create a good statement ahead of the England series. Indians won the series for sure but could not dominate a #7 or 8 team. and please stop giving excuses like 2nd string team, rain and etc as these are just hypothetical. MS Dhoni could have shown his character and at least go for it just to show the world(Strauss specially) that he's not afraid to take risk.

Posted by   on (July 12, 2011, 0:46 GMT)

that's how badly we missed Sehwag !! if he would have been there, it could be all different story....waiting for your comeback "Super Sehwag" and also Gambhir.

Posted by NRI- on (July 12, 2011, 0:33 GMT)

Why was the match called off? Crazy - someone rightly said Kohli had nothing to lose and Bhajji is always happy to have a swing.

Posted by Mob_King on (July 11, 2011, 23:43 GMT)

Dear Indian fans: if we all want to see India chasing a T20 total, why aren't Indian players in the SL t20 league?

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 23:30 GMT)

Am sorry Mr.Fletcher... you have no business justifying the decision to play for a draw... we are number one and we should play like one and be ruthless and not meek...... its a defeat in victory for Team India and Fletcher

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 23:08 GMT)

i think they should atleast have tried and go for the win, i knw it would have neva been easy, but wouldnt that prove to the world that they should stay nr1? they had doni and koli even harbajan in the changing rooms that could have gotten those runs. im not the biggest fan of india, but isnt that what made australia so good during their 16 match winning streak? they risked losing the games to win them and thats what kept thm nr1 for so long. im not saying thatit was a bad desicion to give vvs the nod to go bat and go for the draw, but i am saying the may have not given their all to win the game. it would have been good for test cricket in general if they did that and went for the win. if they had lost another1 or 2 wickets then they coeld have sent in vvs to go for the draw. but what they did was not a bad idea.

Posted by Yolk_Eater on (July 11, 2011, 21:50 GMT)

and another request to all the fanatic Indian fans, being no 1 doesn't mean that you will start comparing our Indian cricket team to the great Australian team led by Steve Waugh after each and every test match, no team in the world can be compared to that team, just feel lucky that you were on this earth to see them perform. Had our current team with Sehwag, Sachin, Gambhir and Zaheer included played that team, we would have been bashed 5-0. Our team is very good, no doubt, but no way is it an indisputable leading side, on any given day it can beat england and south africa, but i won't be surprised if it gets beaten back too, and that too badly. Be realistic guys, and please treat these players (kids) like humans.

Posted by maddy20 on (July 11, 2011, 21:49 GMT)

Correction folks India is No.1 WITH SEHWAG, Saching, Gambhir and Zaheer in the side. The side that toured WI was not the No.1 test team. We dearly missed Sehwag and Gambhir yesterday. I remember them scoring over 5 runs an over against a touring Aus side last year. It would have been a cake walk for him coz he loves those outside the off-stump stuff they were bowling yesterday!

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 21:33 GMT)

I really have to agree with howizzat. If Dhoni had gone on, and they had lost the game, what would the media say then? Obviously, they would start commenting on how Dhoni was way too aggressive and should have just drawn the match. The game could have been played on, but the 2 batsmen at crease were not the fastest run scorers.

Posted by Yolk_Eater on (July 11, 2011, 21:30 GMT)

@cricarch: i think you and many others have been affected by the 20-20 flu which is running wild these days. I read many comments stating that Dhoni, Kohli etc are power hitters, they could have done it, please tell me when was the last time Dhoni cliked on a pitch outside the subcontinent? This is test cricket we are talking about, a 5th day pitch, where just swinging your muscle packed arms isn't everything, the pitch affects the result a great deal. How do you play a guy who bowls a mile outside the leg stump?? Ever heard of negative bowling?? These things are not allowed in 20-20, thats why Dhoni and co can blast runs in batting friendly IPL pitches, not here mate. ALso remember, India could not win the 2nd match because of rain, and as far as the 3rd test is concerned, the reason for not winning wasn't Dravid or company, but the reason was the ever dependable Chanders and a great effort from Fidel too. Please do ot compare test cricket with 20-20,ODI's and avoid printing rubbish.

Posted by TexasCricket on (July 11, 2011, 21:06 GMT)

This is why India will never be true number one test team and once his term is done Dhoni will be remembered as the player who happened to be the ODI captain when India won the world cup 2011.No offense, Dhoni is a good player but his captaincy calls are going in the wrong direction.What happened to the aggressive win at all means, do not give up Dhoni? This would not have happened under Ganguly, Ponting, Imran, or under Kirsten. Were they afraid of getting bowled out in 15 overs?!! Play it out and if you come up short by 10-20 runs! at least you have the pride and everyone would have said well played and better luck next time. Chance to win a test match don't come often and if you decide not to go for it when it presents, you are not worthy to be called the number one team. Fletcher can try to explain or not explain in 100 ways but this will not sit well or be forgotten by a billion people. Boy we miss Kirsten.....

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 20:53 GMT)

all you who state that what happened was a disgrace and negative strategy and all. Why don't you all go home pick up your bats and ball, put on your smart pants and thinking hats and try to make it to your own national sides. and then try scoring 180 runs in 50 overs on the 1st day of a test match. do you notice that most teams reach an aggregate of 300 runs on the very 1st day of a test match, very rarely you will witness 350s and 400s. that suggests an average of 3.4 to 3.5 on a pitch that assists batsmen as the day moves along. So scoring at 4.2 runs an over on a 5th day??? You people speak as if you are playing on a video game in the easy mode. not to mention the determined opposition and negative line of bowling being in operation as well. Apart from the last day, India was sitting right on top of west indies the whole time. Respect players they have done more hardship than you can imagine to be there. And West Indies showed their metal, very well done. :)

Posted by Nampally on (July 11, 2011, 20:52 GMT)

180 runs in 47 overs is not a difficult target for #1 team against the weakest team in the World. How did West Indies score 2 centuries on the same wicket of which India was scared of? If Bishoo was difficult to score on this pitch why was Amit Mishra dropped in favour of a third pace bowler? India made 2 big mistakes. One is the selection of the team - dropping their best bowler who troubled the WI batsmen the most - Amit Mishra - in all 3 tests.Secondly, persisting with M.Vijay for all 3 tests when Parthiv patel opened the Indian innings in the ODI's and performed well.These are TWO big lessons for Dhoni and Fletcher to learn. With Parthiv opening the innings, there would never be a dull moment. He is aggtrssive batsman who can score runs at a fast pace. Mishra showed in ODI's that he is a much better bowler than Bishoo with a great googlie + huge leg spinner. India never had a wrist spinner while they struggled against Bishoo. With Mishra , India would have won the series 3-0.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 20:41 GMT)

I was hoping that VVS would come one down before the WALL. If the 2nd wicket drops quickly then the WALL. But, I think it was a little tame not to make 100. We had the fire power to easily go past 150 and show some interest in wining the game and carry some confidence to England. Having said that Chanders played a beautiful knock situation perfectly matched his style of play and he took full toll of the Indian bowling attack.

Posted by Night-Watchman on (July 11, 2011, 20:00 GMT)

Cricinfo seems to have got hordes of Newbie posters here after India's world cup win. Many of them dont seem to understand that ODI, T20 are essentially different games than test cricket. A ball a shade outside the leg stump is a WIDE in ODI and T20. It is not so in tests. There are no fielding restrictions. There is no restriction against negative bowling strategies. On top of it, by all accounts the pitch was quite a turner. Out of 3 match series, India won one and were in winning positions in the other two with 50+ overs lost due to rain. That is quite something.

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (July 11, 2011, 19:50 GMT)

@cricarch, please don't come back again and be a good fan of SA atleast. You guyz are talking about the team who struggled at hard times and won he WC and the captain who made India a good team. I believe that Dhoni is very good psychologically. I understand your emotions but we shudn't spit our emotions like this by just sitting on other side of the TV.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 19:35 GMT)

I an so tired of this "if rain did not fall we would have won 3 -0" excuse. Come on people, cricket is played on the day and the time.... rain puts different things into perspective, the stop start effect etc.... so there is no way one would have know how things would have turned out had it not rained. Who knew Kirk Edwards would have scored a hundred.... did it rain? No. So stop the rain excuse. I have no problem with India closing up shop when they did because if you look at the run rare throughout the entire match, on the last day are we saying all of a sudden 6 runs per over was possible... Well really!

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 19:35 GMT)

Being number 1 does not mean that we have to play with reckless abandon

Posted by Full-Blooded-Wallop on (July 11, 2011, 19:29 GMT)

just shocked at the few of the comments here, someone says 'dravid is incapable of winning matches' someone says ''test cricket should be banned, t-20 rules'' agreed i was also a bit disappointed after what happened yesterday but later on when i analysed i concluded that 1) westindies in no possibility were going to bowl those 15 overs. 2) bishoo would have continued bowling leg stump line from one end for 8 overs. 3)pacers bowling a mile outside off stump.. and you guys are cribbing about the abandoned chase! are you kidding me :P okay, just tell me one last instance when a team has scored 161 runs in last session of play to win the match? :D

Posted by ajju321 on (July 11, 2011, 19:25 GMT)

No matter what kind of explanation is given by captain & coach for the chicken escape. It is hard to believe that how come Test # 1 team and World Cup Champ team didn't een try to chase a target against an average bowling attack which require less than a ball RR. Just Pathetic!!!!!

Posted by bigdhonifan on (July 11, 2011, 19:24 GMT)

@ cricarch ... fighting Spirit???? or CHOKERS???? If you want to be a fan of fighting spirit, better be a fan of Bangladesh!

Posted by ramkeeys on (July 11, 2011, 19:21 GMT)

I hav seen som1 statng dat "its tim to leav d quality less keeper(dhoni) and go for d betr person"...wat knowldge does he possess to spk dis,dhoni s a wrld cup winng captain nd he mayb a bit low n test crkt bt no1 n india s as gud to replace him,whthr ppl wnt d 2feet parthiv to replace him ?...i hardly want ppl who hate dhoni to reply wat s deir problm....

Posted by Shankp5 on (July 11, 2011, 19:19 GMT)

stop BSing Fletcher..why u play cricket matches for? to win or not to lose?? this team has deprived us of an exciting finish by giving up so tamely for NO REASON..no team gives up a chase with 7 wickets intact..Dravid retire please..we beg you..

Posted by maninthewoods on (July 11, 2011, 19:13 GMT)

Some people are saying that the ranking system is screwed up. If that's the case, how can Australia be ranked the No.1 ODI team in the world after being beaten badly in the quarterfinals itself. So, do not question the ranking system because it doesnot show the No.1 team right now, but the best team over a period of time.

Posted by Full-Blooded-Wallop on (July 11, 2011, 19:13 GMT)

Alex-- he scored 90 against south africa, he scored 98 against kiwis, he scored 74 against westindies in last 3 series, his 91* win us the world cup, still you term him as 'non-performing' and want him axed? what else can you expect from a keeper..an average of 50 in odis and 40 in tests(batting at no-7) seems very ordinary, isn't it? ;) have you forgotten those times, when indian keepers were just mugs with bats..how many even remember the names of those keepers? tell me apart from sangkara,which other team has a keeper who can 'perform' better than dhoni? tim paine or matt prior?

Posted by SpartaArmy on (July 11, 2011, 19:13 GMT)

@rishi.. well test cricket is different from t20, its bcoz of him india atleast won the series. Seriously, u wanna replace Dravid with some one, who is it??

Posted by maninthewoods on (July 11, 2011, 19:10 GMT)

I am NOT going to say that India don't deserve no.1 ranking. They certainly do because India would have won the series 3-0 if weather didn't play a part. But, being a no.1 team, they should have the confidence that they can beat any other team easily. It is the confidence that is low for India, not the talent and No.1 status.

Posted by cricarch on (July 11, 2011, 19:08 GMT)

Sorry India. You just lost a good fan of yours. I am forced to worship SA from now, despite being an Indian. I'd love to go with a 'fighting spirit' any day as opposed to the 'fear of loosing'. World no. 1? I am sorry who?

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 19:08 GMT)

Scoring runs was difficult in the prevailing conditions and the decision to call off was acceptable. Test match is not the same like one day or 20/20 games. Bowlers should have tried a little hard to clear the wagging west Indies tail effectively but the pitch was not helpful. Anyway Indians have to be very aggressive to win in England dealing with shrewd minds like Any flower. All the best for success.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 19:04 GMT)

Series win … but it is VERY POOR performance by Indian team. How come a draw in this test match………..Only one thing to say that's a shame.

Posted by JAZZ_ARUN on (July 11, 2011, 18:58 GMT)

what if laxman falls as he was removed by chanderpaul in first innings, what if kholi gets a thick outside edge from fidel and wickets keep falling on a 5th day SLOW pitch....it might be 1-1...can u criticizing mouths tolerate it? U all saying this just sitting at your comfort zone....wear a helmet.pads,and kidney guard and go to the pitch and score the rest of runs... WAKE UP WE WON 1-0

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas_Atheist on (July 11, 2011, 18:53 GMT)

That was a tame call. The skies are not going to come tumbling down on the Indian Team if they tried for another 5-6 overs against the odds that test cricket brings in (no field restrictions, bouncers, negative line.....). I understand that if Dravid or VVS perish in the pursuit, then we don't have the batsmen to tackle the situation. But knocking around for singles off every ball for 5-6 overs isn't riddled with risk? Or is it? Of course, there is a chance for a snorter at any time. But then, sit at home Fletcher and Dhoni if you have to think of such negativity. I love Test Cricket more than any other format but the defensive Dhoni and the negative Fletcher stand as Janata Ka Mujrims as far as I'm concerned. Is there a way to get rid off Fletcher ASAP? He ain't helping the Indian cause. Dhoni is already a defensive captain (circa NZ 2009) and Fletcher is adding his negativity in the mix. No wonder test cricket is going to struggle with such disservice from the decision makers. Shame!

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 18:52 GMT)

According to cricinfo commentary, India needed 180 off about 45 overs. I tought it was tough ask but certainly gettable. Remember Adelaide Dec 06? Australia chased down 168 from 32.5 overs. The Sydney Jan 06, where they chased 288 off 60.3 overs.What made Australia a great test team was their hunger to win every match. They were not satisfied with just winning the series, they went for kill in every single game( Yes, it backfired on some occasions). The number 1 ranked team is expected to hold off the fight put on by a no.7 ranked team.The selectors obviously thought that the squad they picked was strong enough, didnt they? So why there's all these lame excuses like rain and as someone commented, Bischoo's bowling. Grow up my friend. he aint gonna bowl where it suits the batsmen.

Remember, SA wouldn't have chased down 434 had Smith thought like Dhoni.

I would say India still have some work to do to be called a GREAT TEST SIDE.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 18:51 GMT)

It's nothing but a shame for number one ranked team in test cricket.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 18:44 GMT)

The chase was possible only if there is no negative bowling. Everyone forgot about the fielding. There is no restrictions in fielding in test matches. So WI will start bowling a negative line if Ind goes for a try. Then no one can't score more than 3 if the bowling attack is at the body line.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 18:43 GMT)

To all the people who say it was a difficult chase on a 5th day and someone who pointed out something like that was done just in 22 instances before, my question for you. Take an ODI example. First batting team make 350.Now hasing 350 was done twice or thrice till now. Can the chasing team confiscate without even starting the chase? Whats wrong with it, they would have lost anyways right? The point here is not how difficult or easy the chase was. They shld have tried. Are you afraid of losing 7 wickets in 15 overs to send Kohli,Bajji infront of laxman? Or even with dravid and laxman could have played defensively and try to hit just bad balls. Who knows if they score 40 runs in the next 10 overs, the equation is 46 runs in 5 overs. Then somone could have tried hitting it out. Shaking hands 15 overs before is pathetic.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 18:42 GMT)

ppl get a life..stop criticising cricketers...they are playing for India just cis they are much better than u all...just sitting in front of ur laptops and writing comments..u want cent percent from ur players...how many of u have acheived that....thaey are trying their best..nd it isn't that opposition are nerds ..they too work that hard..so stop criticising nd start enjoying...we di welll....never were we loosing nything...just cos of the rainsd that we drew the series orelse we would have won 3-0 ....

Posted by cricexpt on (July 11, 2011, 18:36 GMT)

India and some of its fans are making lame excuses of barbados, because IF's and BUT's don't have any value in any game. If Kirk Edwards was not given wrongly out in the first innnings then he might have score a hundred and West Indies would have won this game. If Rahul Dravid was not DROPPED in the first test West Indies would have won the game easily. So no IF's and BUT's Just show the result Team India rather than making excuses. On Fletcher's comments that pitch was difficult then how did out of form Murali Vijay scored so fluently and others were struggling? Over to you Mr. Fletcher

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 18:35 GMT)

chill guys... the main problem was the inability of the indian bowlers to separate the 9th wicket partnership for 35 overs...a 2nd string indian team was able to win all the series on the tour.. jus enjoy the show dudes..

Posted by veturisarma on (July 11, 2011, 18:35 GMT)

ok there obviously has been a lot of criticism here but lets look at the way things played yesterday. The start was Vijay's wicket when he was scoring runs at good pace. WI would not want to lose the hard fought test and employed defensive tactics. Bishoo bowled an over of leg stump line and Vijay got frustrated and threw his wicket away in pursuit of quick runs pressing for vicotry. Then an inspired move by Dhoni to counter attach the defensive bowlng of Bishoo brought Raina up in the order, and he showed some sense of urgency. When he got out Dhoni did not have any other left handers and even if Kohli or Dhoni himslef got out to the middle, WI would have continued their bowling tactics to deny India a win. And we are not even talking about any number of wides a bowler can bowl in an over. So all in all i would say fair enuf.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 18:34 GMT)

I really missed Shewag in this series,it is true that Dravid Lakshman classic batsman but they does not have the agressive attitude to go for the run.Being a number one team in the world,they would have gone for the kill.It was a sad end for the series and need to appreciate the courage of Windies.

Posted by acumen.ram on (July 11, 2011, 18:33 GMT)

Mr Fletcher & Mr Dhoni - how difficult it was to score 5runs per over. Based on your comment i can only feel that, the Dominica is the ground where any format of the game (T20, ODI or Test Match) , the team will score 60 runs in T20 & 150 runs in ODI and yet the other team can give walkover in certain condition and say that they cant chase 150 in 50 overs because of the ground.... BS

Posted by ranjeetc on (July 11, 2011, 18:31 GMT)

So hard to please Indian fans, everyone expects every player to be like Sehwag. The fact is that Sehwag has made chases like this so easy that people expect every player to score like Sehwag. Give these young kids a break, they won the series, yes they didn't match the Aussies of the previous decade BUT WHO can, not even the current breed of the aussie team. And why does every comparison have to be with the old australia team. Why can't people be content enjoy the game and analyse the mistake. Chanderpaul was the roadblock and was magnificient, why do we have to say that the Indian team lost the match, give the windies team the credit !!! And People calling for Dhoni's head are REALLY REALLY hard to please, India hasn't seen a better and successful captain than him. So SHUT UP and give him credit where its due !!!

Posted by VAS4 on (July 11, 2011, 18:31 GMT)

What a shame! Could not believe their decision to give up chase yesterday. How on earth are you planning to keep the test matches alive if you do things like this? Why cant you go for it if it is within the reach? India missed Sehwag, Sachin and Gambhir. Vijay should go and play some domestic matches. Dravid should retire as soon as possible. Dravid was never going to allow us to win the match. Atleast we should have tried the faster run scorers first and then Dravid and Laxman to defend the fort later on. I think Dhoni is only looking for a series win against his name. He is not bothered if it is 1-0 or 2-0. SAD day for cricket. Shame on Dhoni and Fletcher.

Posted by Aussie_rulez on (July 11, 2011, 18:31 GMT)

To all children....I hope to knock some basic cricketing sense into your noggin... Kids, this was a test match, not a T20 match... Well Played India !!!

Posted by sharath_rao on (July 11, 2011, 18:26 GMT)

Why battle when the opposite team has conceded defeat ? It was for WI to fight it out, not India. It would have looked extremely stupid if India had continued to press for a victory it has already won and lost in that process.

Posted by bumsonseats on (July 11, 2011, 18:24 GMT)

the reason australia were so long the justified number 1 team for is that they took the bull by the horns and went for it. something indian should remember that teams that are worthy of the name the best team should act like it. the number of overs against the number looked very good and if they had lost 3 wickets they could have shut up shop. i thought the time when india were happy not to loose had gone. dpk

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 18:22 GMT)

point it is the matches due to the rain were effectively 3 days long, with a depleted bowling and batting line up, to win a match was good. India would have won all 3 had it not been for the rain. 86 off 90 is possible, but if they went for it and laxman and dravid got out, then kholi (rubbish series), dhoni (unreliable) would have to hold out for 15 overs on a very hard pitch while still scoring at 6 an over. We won the series, it would have been a cleansweep of victories in 4 days in all test matches.

Posted by VAS4 on (July 11, 2011, 18:19 GMT)

I was furious on team India's decision to give up chase. We can't expect anything more from Fletcher, that is sure. But I hoped Dhoni to have his say and send Virat, dhoni and Harbhajan ahead of VVS to try and accelerate scoring. Come on, we are champions. Everyone knows that WI team is weak, and I understand the pitch situation, but Chanderpaul played in the same pitch didn't he? This is where we miss Sehwag and Tendulkar. If Sehwag was there at the top, things would have been different. Dravid should move on, and let someone young to take his place. He made the chase impossible. He never tries to win, it is not always about guarding the fort. Dhoni, please perform in tests , or leave it to someone else and you limit yourself to onedayers and t20s.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 18:18 GMT)

Yes, I totally agree with Duncan Fletcher

Posted by howizzat on (July 11, 2011, 18:16 GMT)

Quick wickets of Raina and Vijay upset the the plans and Dhooni went for a draw. But the big question is if Dhooni goes for a win and makes a mess of it, the same critcs have blamed him for the agreesion. In fact with series in the bag, if captain played safely he has done the right thing. Our captain is not foolish. At right times he shows the agression. Otherwise why he promoted himself in the WC final? People praise Sammy and his thoughts. But the truth is he should have shown the agression. He had a chance of bundling India out and a golden opportunity to draw the series. He had nothing to lose in the gamble. A win against the Number One Team would have made him the Hero in the span of 15 overs. Frankly he should not have accepted the offer made by the Indian captain.Sadly nobody is looking through this angle. Leaving all this aside, the moot question is, is it not the time that the rule should be tweaked and ''the call off offer' should be scrapped.

Posted by gagans11 on (July 11, 2011, 18:09 GMT)

Come on Guys...its only rain in last two test matches which saved West indies otherwise series result would have been 3-0.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 18:07 GMT)

@ Rishi Darira: Reginphiilip also suggests that T20 rules and Tests should be banned. Should we take that suggestion on board as well? Apart from sacking Dravid? Because we would have lost the first and the second test then. But wait, with Tests banned (apropos Reginphillip), there's no question of losing test matches (overseas or otherwise)

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 18:06 GMT)

West Indies and India in my opinion has the best relationships with each other..player wise and fan wise..both teams play aggressive but drank beers after the matches..even on the field they played around with each other..i hope the other teams a round the world would take the as an example..great attidutde guys

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 18:03 GMT)

this is a negative thought,,,difficult or easy as a game,,, you should try your best at what ever cost,,and at all circumstances,,after all it is a game,,,,,we had nothing to loose,,the fun was lost,,,cricket spirit is lost,,,,,,why the play was not continued is a big question mark,,,safe playing is not game,,,spirit of the game is play and give your best,,,win or loose,,,records is not important,,spirit of the game and the oppurtunity is importan,,,,, to play for a astonishing win is lost,,,,

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 17:59 GMT)

lets respect the seniors such as dravid and laxman becuz they have won most of the matches for us and by the way we have already won the series long back then why soo greedy to win another test match.if u say tay play slow in faster formats like ODI's and t20 i totally accept.but it's test match dude.dravid - laxman - sachin - ganguly rock in tests

Posted by Jerseyite on (July 11, 2011, 17:54 GMT)

This draw is equal to a defeat, and Dravid is solely responsible for it with his catching or lack there of, and his ridiculously slow batting.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 17:48 GMT)

Really disappointment show from India.Was watching all the night just see the wining knock from the cricketing greats...Unfortunately, Dhoni is more than happy with 1-0 rather than go for the killing..This is the difference between India and Aus.Aus, they never satisfies with what they achieved and they all ways aims best. With this performance though on paper India is no.1. But they are far far behind to Aus and see with in no time Aus will gonna regain their no.1 position and it will happy in ending the series with draws... Shame on the Indian team...

Posted by indian_glory on (July 11, 2011, 17:47 GMT)

evry1 just needs a reason to criticize people be practical...day 5 pitch..negative bowling...i hope u all saw the match and would have seen what devendr bishoo was bowling.they packed one side and made their bowlers bowl wide on one side..it was difficult to get singles ..the pitch holding up...boundaries were almost impossible. it is very easy to talk nonsense sitting in your bedroom but very difficult to take harsh but necessary decisions to safeguard the bigger interest ( in this case the series win) and please stop complaining about dravid he won you the first test and will win you the series in england.i am an indian cricket fan and i will support my team in each of its wins and losses.stop complaining this team and various individuals have given you moments which the past teams were not able to give.realx and enjoy.go team india!!!!

Posted by pankajkumarsingh on (July 11, 2011, 17:35 GMT)

WI fast bowlers were bowling way outside the off stump. Bishoo was bowling way outside the leg stump hitting the pads. It was so negative it wasnt even worth appealing. They werent even attacking the batsmen. Sammy look a lap of honor while saving the game. He brought in all negativity in his approach to save the game. If Sehwag was around, maybe we couldve managed. But we didnt have Sehwag. And they did try hitting boundary (or two) every over while Vijay/Dravid were around. Once Vijay and Raina fell, team strategists took a step back and I cant blame them. Didnt we applaud the same Dhoni for declaring in 2nd test? They go aggressive or defensive depending on a situation, not just cos they have to. We always pick on players saying "Raina and Kohli are still in T20 mode. Looks like a few of our readers are in T20 hangover.

Posted by asif2311 on (July 11, 2011, 17:18 GMT)

it was a complete disgrace on part of india.....we as indian supporters want to know what really went on ......i do not buy fletcher's point as dhoni and harbhajan with praveen were not sent in to score quickly, neither did raina tried a lofted shot in his innings although he got out thinklessly doing the same in the one dayers.....there is something else to all this...may be the two board agreed for 1-0 my be dhoni and sammy mutually agreed in act of friendship ...i dun know but i as an indian want to know....this should not stop here and the govt must find out what was going on.....they cud hav easily played a draw once dhoni, praveen wud got out and laxman and dravid cud hav easily played out 10 or so overs....but they never tried.....that disgraceful

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 17:02 GMT)

@reginphilip - I completely agree "Rahul Dravid should be axed". He is incapable of winning matches. It is surprising that no one really criticizes him. People have been critical of Sachin and Dhoni but i have never seen anything about Dravid. His supporters never fail to point out ridiculous things "he allows others to score" or "he holds the fort". This clearly suggests that Dravid is incapable of really showing any positive intent. He has failed miserably for the last 5 years, still he continues.

Posted by Ahmer on (July 11, 2011, 16:53 GMT)

India should get inspiration from the this test where Pakistan was already leading the series by 1-0 but imran and javed went crazy and achieved the target with r.r of 6.60 in late 70's...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63219.html

Posted by Alexk400 on (July 11, 2011, 16:49 GMT)

you can't trust dravid for scoring runs. He shut down in any pitch and against any bowling. I am huge dravid fan but accelerating is not his sute. i think dhoni should come and startscoring singles...it shows mentality of new coach who just wanted 1-0 to start a series. he did n't trust the players he got to score , he was afraid they get bowled out and drawn the series. That is exactly reason. He do not trust the players he got.

Time to dump NON PERFORMING DHONI. Gambhir can lead. We just do not neeed low quality wicket keeper , can't bat in Test , defensive captain.

Posted by Valavan on (July 11, 2011, 16:49 GMT)

Still Dhoni will ever conquer England, either England looses 1 - 0, or England wins 2 - 1 or series level at 1 - 1, but India winning more than 1 test out of sub continent is not going to be that easy. as one of the guys wrote here, india needed ranking system to justify the 1 but Aussies of 2000s and Windies of 80s never needed such system to prove their force. Good luck Dhoni in England.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 16:47 GMT)

its not about series win. its about how you win it.. Ind should have won this series at least 2-0 but they didn't... yes , the australians in their peak would have gone for the chase and got it , even the good old west indies.. I wont accept that its a very good series win for india as dhoni says... Only when you are ready to lose to go for a win , you can be the greatest team of all time... just being in the top of the team table is not important but how dominant we are... the west indies were like that , australians were like that but India havent been in that position... I would love India to be more aggressive , but for that we need a world class bowling attack.. not a single bowler but a bowling attack..

Posted by Seaking_alpha on (July 11, 2011, 16:46 GMT)

Guys get a grip !!!! Chasing on a 5th day wicket is not easy.

Since 1970, there have been only 21 instances where a team has sucessfully chased a total of more than 179 at > 3.8 RPO in the fourth innings. 5 by Eng and WI each and 3 by India and Aus each. I dont think India is lagging behind in terms of showing a will to win as compared to others.

In Interational sport, it is only occasional that a team/individual earns an all conquering record of sucess. Cricket has been an exception in that it has produced 2 such world dominating teams in the last 40 years. But it is too much to expect all No 1 teams to have the aura of the WI or Aus teams of the past.

Posted by MeowCat on (July 11, 2011, 16:45 GMT)

enjoy good cricket.that is all....

Posted by PradeepR on (July 11, 2011, 16:24 GMT)

India missed Sehwag dearly yesterday and probably Sachin too. With both of them in the team, the team probably would have chased a win instead of settling for a draw. Instead of sending Dravid and Laxman, Dhoni should have sent Kohli at number 3, Raina as number 4, Dhoni himself at number 5 and should've gone for a win. At least they should have tried this way. If this strategy failed, then there is always a Dravid and Laxman to play for a draw and no one would've criticized the team.

Posted by kriskini on (July 11, 2011, 16:21 GMT)

Nice tme for critics. I wish India will win the series in England and Australia. If they do then they can maintain their ranking for one for year. How? After these 2 away series all series in 2012 will be played in India except New zealand.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 15:55 GMT)

Guys those who complain of yesterday's decision to abandon chase lets be practical and lets treat the current indian team as humans. They are on the winning stride..lets appricate it..this team has sweated out a lot this series..they did everything rite including barbados where they were short of an hour may be to close it with rain eating out two days. Yesterday's first two sessions were the time the team underperformed. Esp towards edwards the bowlers could have been more aggressive. With chanders..he was really playing good to tackle the balls. so edwards should have been the target to clear off.. But the bowlers and the attack was bit lethargic ..thats wat cost them the match. 60 overs 150 to win on a fifth day would have been interesting. Being in SG i watched it regardless of monday office until 2.30 am and when the target was 160 in 40 overs i more or less expected this result and went to bed. lets not be too aggresive on this team. All the best to win in england

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 15:48 GMT)

I dont understand why people are still asking these stupid questions to the players who were on the field !!!, is it because they just watched matches on TV ?. I think people forget that this was a test cricket, played on the same wicket for over 5 days. It was a day 5 wicket, which had been through rain, overcast and sun, and people expecting the players to play t20 or ODI innings ?. Isn't that funny.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 15:39 GMT)

i am disappoint with MS DHONI DECISION ...WE ARE NO.1 AND SHOULD AT LEAST FIGHT FOR IT....

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 14:43 GMT)

This is test match cricket, no fielding restrictions - hear what DAGF says, it was difficult to score at 3-4 runs an over let alone 6. Have we all forgotten what test cricket is? Now everyone expects 6-10 runs an over to be scored with ease. They'd already won the series, what was the point in risking losing just to win it 2-0?

Posted by sharidas on (July 11, 2011, 14:26 GMT)

I think its all about entertainment these days.The spectators and the TV audience want excitement and if its not coming there will be grumbles. Its for the guys on the field to decide what to do and what not to do. If India were already 2 up when they arrived in Dominica, would they have gone for the chase ? I dont think so ! If its difficult to score then there is no point in trying to prove something !

Posted by zico123 on (July 11, 2011, 14:18 GMT)

atleast India should have tried for 1 more wicket, Dhoni should have come out after Raina, had Dhoni got out too, then it would have been fair to close the shop

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 14:12 GMT)

I agree with Dhoni's decsion. A series win is a series win . Be it 1-0 or 2-0 . Years later history book will reflect it as a series win and the number of series India has won against WI wont change if it was 2-0. There was an element of risk in trying to enforce 2-0 it could have been 1-1. Practically it was a last day pitch...it was difficult to score fast on that pitch....it was a pitch where runs could be scored only at slow pace. Bishoo may be rookie bowler but he is Capable bowler and Dhoni respected that fact and one should never under-estimate any bowler. Cricket is a game played largely in the mind and if, for any reason, the players had any doubts whatsoever about getting the target, then it was best not to go for it.If Sehwag and Gambir was present then one could have tried to win this but even then it would have been risky. Better SAFE than be SORRY.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 14:01 GMT)

Yep! Australia in peak would have gone for it, as would have the West Indies of 70's and 80's. What people forget is that Australia would have relied on Gilchrist, Hayden or Ponting to attack; West Indies would have had Richards, Greenidge or Lloyd to go for the jugular. ( Not to mention they probably would have had McGrath/ Warne; or Marshall/ Holding/ Ambrose etc. to bowl out the opponents quicker). These are people learning their ropes in international cricket. Two inexperienced openers, two middle order legends who generally graft and craft rather than bash and thrill, another two young men who haven't yet cemented their spots. This was the World's best Team's second XI - the best team includes the likes of Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar and Zaheer. And they were mighty close to 2-0 even before this test started. Cut some slack guys! (or at least be honest, we are ranked #1 based on ICC's point system .. the aforementioned teams never needed one to prove that they're the best)

Posted by Percy_Fender on (July 11, 2011, 14:00 GMT)

I am quite shocked by the comments of many people who have said that India should have gone for a win when there were 80 odd to get from about 90 balls or so. I feel watching on theTV is one thing and actually playing on a dodo surface unsitable for batting is quite another. Even when Vijay was hitting out, it did not seem to be convincing because probably, of the slowness of the surface. Raina was caught and bowled to a ball that he would normally have played along the ground between mid off and mid on. That dismissal illustrates that the pitch called for a cautious approach. Another point is that the world and more are in awe of Dhoni because of his unflappable demeanour under pressure. They are in awe of him also because in his words he goes by his instinct. Now suppose his instinct told him that if you lose 2 wickets before 100 you could lose.He decided to close shop all too suddenly and this could be a plausible reason. Let us realise that and learn to accept his decision.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 13:57 GMT)

Sad but true, much as I hate to say it. If Mukund hadn't got out early, etc. etc. there might have been a chance. But once they let Fidel Edwards get 30 runs and went past lunch, it was all over. Chasing into the last hour would only have caused grief. No one managed to slam sixes off the fast bowlers. The rules for Test cricket overwhelmingly favor time-wasting: no rules on number of fielders, no PowerPlay, no wide called for leg side bowling, VERY liberal wide rules for bouncers and off-side bowling. There was zero possibility of India winning at 4+ per over. There was every possibility that if 2 more wickets would have fallen, then India would have got all out. So they had to stop while it was still an even contest and both captains would agree to stop. Too many Tests have ended this way - they need to think about the Wide-Ball rules and lopsided field-setting rules for Test cricket. No reason why those should be much different from 1-day, though there is no need for PowerPlay etc.

Posted by iamanindian1986 on (July 11, 2011, 13:51 GMT)

Certainly it was a very poor decision to give up the chase. At the end of the test it is not that they have won or lose, it is about being fighting untill the end. Who knows if they fought until the end they could have won the match.

Posted by srinathb on (July 11, 2011, 13:46 GMT)

This is not new to Indian Cricket and Indian fans..... Dravid's decision not to enforce the follow-on (in 2007 Eng-Ind Test Series) and saying that he's happy with series win , Dhoni's Late declaration in NZ test series (2009) resulting in a 1-0 win when actually, the result should have been 2-0 and now this !! and this time,no excuses please,because India's playing a 8th ranked test team or i can say 2nd String 8th ranked test team,and they had every opportunity after having a lead of 100+ runs to go for a win.although this test shows how Important Sehwag is,to the team..it should be remembered that he's not going to hang around the team since he had already made a statement that he's gonna retire after playing 100 tests.

Posted by Pankaj_INDIA on (July 11, 2011, 13:44 GMT)

Dhoni u r the best!!! we dont have to pay attention to critics who just say nonsense things about us. its TEST CRICKET, not a T20.. scoring more than 5 runs over when opposition is bowling negative bowling, on difficult 5th day pitch is foolish. India did right thing by not going for the chase, had we lost, same people would have been bashing us here. so stop complaining. we will show when we will win in england. aus couldnt score 107 on 3rd day against us in mumbai in 2004, lol.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 13:41 GMT)

there was only 90 balls to play, it was unlikely they would have been bowled out- negative cricket. tho credit to india they won the series with an inexperienced team

Posted by king_lion on (July 11, 2011, 13:30 GMT)

here comes the value of sehwag. he is the real no.1 when come to mental strength. no matter what coach has to say, no matter what the pitch would be, that guy would have certainly made sure that india team is at beach by 5 pm enjoying 2-0 series win. i dont see such opener in pipeline after him. we will cherish row action of sehwag's innings more than classic telltale innings of sachin or dravid.

Posted by Evilpengwinz on (July 11, 2011, 13:19 GMT)

I think in that situation, why not give it a go? I think India's tactics were wrong - Why did they send Dravid in 2nd ball? Surely it would've been better to promote somebody like Dhoni or Raina. If you do end up 3 down for not many after a few overs, then by all means send Dravid in and take the draw, but sending a guy in second ball with a test match strike rate of 42 who hasn't played a single T20 International in a situation where you have a huge opportunity to win the match, in my opinion, was far too negative.

I won't be complaining if India are that negative when they play over here next though :D

Posted by Feri on (July 11, 2011, 13:17 GMT)

Congratulations to the Indian team for winning the series. It is all about momentum which they will have before an important series with England. Even though India did not go for the kill in this match I still believe they are champions at the end of the day. Dhoni is human after all. We cannot expect the team to win everything even if they are the no 1 ranked team. Let the professionals decide how to play a game of cricket, stop making decisions for them. The whole series was a low scoring affair and the 1st innings score was the highest in the series. The young guns have not fired in all cylenders throughout the series and it is ridiculous to expect them to finish off this match on a tough 5th day wicket of the final test. Good luck to the team for their forthcoming series with England.

Posted by Raki99 on (July 11, 2011, 13:10 GMT)

The downfall of this team has started, Instaed of 1-0 this could have been easily 3-0, But No the indian mentality of conservetisiom and not not showing enough aggresion clearly showed here, This is the diffrence between the great WI team of 80's and the great australian team of 90 and early 2000, Mark my words India will lose their Series in england and down under this winter. And once Tendulkar,dravid and laxman retires it is going to be horrible. They are gone lose the first test at Lords. I hope i am proven wrong.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 13:03 GMT)

India won the series but cricket lost ! 86 off 15 overs and they called it off is disgraceful. That's a lousy way to end it, and cricket wonders about fan support for test cricket, I invested 5 days watching this game, I felt cheated by them not trying to force a result !!!!!!!!!! Play out the final 15 overs man !!! I don't know how other fans feel but I am annoyed !

Posted by demon_bowler on (July 11, 2011, 12:58 GMT)

Not a good advert for the game, calling the match off with so much time left. Personally, I don't think that declaring a fourth innings should be an option -- the team batting fourth should have to bat out the overs and entertain the crowd. We saw England also recently abandoning games when there was still a possibility of a result. Neither of these teams really deserves a number one slot and will not hold onto it for long if they do grab it.

Posted by dr.thirsty on (July 11, 2011, 12:53 GMT)

It would have been nice for the fans to see a good run chase but we need to reflect on the psychology of the situation. To go for a win called for an absolutely positive mindset and if players were cautious & thought the target too difficult then they were not likely to achieve it. Cricket is a game played largely in the mind and if, for any reason, the players had any doubts whatsoever about getting the target, then it was best not to go for it. To quote Henry Ford 'whether you think you can, or whether you think you can't, you're right'. India thought they couldn't and made their decision accordingly.

Posted by Sunny_kumar on (July 11, 2011, 12:48 GMT)

Shame India did not try a little harder to chase the win...Dhoni could have came in earlier or evan sent in Bhaji as a pinch hitter to try n get closer to the score...Shows how important Sehwag is for any chase for the team...But a series win is better than drawing or losing....will be interesting to see how Eng v Ind get on wont be easy for either side but with India being at full strength and doing well in Eng in the past few series will not be easy for Eng as some people think...

Posted by CricketChat on (July 11, 2011, 12:44 GMT)

I feel sorry for the thousands of fans in Dominica including women and children expecting a fitting finale to the test. I am getting more and more convinced that it is just a matter of time before tests will be ignored by fans (except in places where people are starved of top level cricket). Only T20 will rule. ODIs and Tests become supporting casts.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 12:44 GMT)

I think it was the right decision. For all the people who think India is defensive, why dont you please check out the score card of second test where a bold declaration was made. There are times when you have to stop and think logically and this was one of them..

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 12:36 GMT)

We won the series 1-0 not because we played well , but more because the WI team did not play well. If we did not have Dravid, Laxman and Ishant in this team the result would have been different. Which means we are still dependent on the seniors , without their services we may have to struggle against the weakest team in the world.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 12:21 GMT)

India screwed up the third test match through ineptitude bowling, poor fielding atrocious captaincy. India's bowling in the second innings was so pedestrian, I could have done a better job with my gentle medium pace. Ishant kept bowling too many short balls that Edwards just ignored. Lack of experience showed and he needs to be told. Harbhjan should retire. His batting is so iffy, he doesn't field at all and his bowling now has lost all its venom in a pitch not made for him. He is blocking the chances of other competent spinners. Finally Dhoni revealed how ordinary a captain he is. His field placings were horrible as were his bowling changes. He persisted with the ineffective Munaf Patel for too long. Worst of all his decision not to press victory was very negative and sends wrong signals to his team. He should have come at the fall of Raina and given it a shot. I hope his over rate issues prevents him from playing in England. We need an Ijazz Butt to deal with the likes of him.

Posted by WTEH on (July 11, 2011, 12:18 GMT)

Champion team need a champion coach. Pls can somebody bring bac our beloved coach.

Posted by Black_Rider on (July 11, 2011, 12:18 GMT)

I have a question guys...Why are you keep calling this Indian side as a second string side?..After all all the big guns are going to retire in 2 or 3 years.These youngters will come next.So according to you guys India will become a second string side.It's just a question......

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 12:14 GMT)

Fletcher may defend in whatever manner he chooses to but this has been an open secret that team India never goes for any risky wins. They prefer sitting with 1-0 series victory than risking a match which may finally risk the result of the series. India should have tried to score 85 runs in 90 balls. Virat kohli should have been sent ahead of VVS Laxman. Who knows few adventurous shots would have pushed India closer to victory.

The English team on their soil are very dangerous side. The way team india has played against depleted west Indies side worries many indian cricket critics. If Dhoni and Co. have to be so cautious against westindies the result against england in their cave could be dangerous one..so be ready for few shocking results.

Posted by nikhilbengeri on (July 11, 2011, 12:09 GMT)

I do not understand what critics and Indian fans need. I do understand why every time they talk about the Indian losing, and not about the cricket. I do not understand why they always talk about the management, seniors not doing well. Well, let me tell all you guys, even if had accelerated without sending Dravid at no.3, it would have been a waste as the WI bowlers had already started bowling the negative line. I feel they had planned to send Raina at no.3. But since Mukund was out the first ball, they again went at plan A. But after a healthy partnership betwn Vijay and Dravid, they sent Raina at 4. But what was the result..? He was out early. So if u know cricketing aspects, it would was a fine idea to salvage a draw. I don think so Aussies would have sent Johnson at 3 if Watson was out the first ball. They would hav still persisted with Ponting.

Posted by Karthik_1982 on (July 11, 2011, 12:04 GMT)

I am not sure how many ppl actually watched the match... more than 5 run per over its the negative bowling from Bishoo that sealed the match. With that tactic and slowness of the pitch even 3 runs per over would be difficult to achieve. 181 from 47 overs from outset may look achievable but its tes cricket and u r talking about no field restriction and 5th day pitch and last session.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 11:57 GMT)

I strongly believe that Dhoni made the right decision in not trying to chase. The wicket was slow, as was evident when Dravid was trying to force the ball on the leg side. This was a depleted side and if panic had set in, then the same critics who blame India for not chasing will criticise them for losing. I think watching T20 has changed the mindset of the people very much. You don't have field restrictions in a Test. In an ODI you bowl just a shade away from leg stump, it is a wide. Not so in tests. You can bowl continuously wide outside off stump. And you all expect batsmen to chase it after being on the field for two sessions! Get a break and watch T20s and avoid watching tests!

Posted by HarryKing123 on (July 11, 2011, 11:49 GMT)

this is really shame for champion team

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 11:20 GMT)

And people this is a 5th day pitch we are talking abt!! Its not IPL in which 5 runs per over is an easy get. Grow up

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 11:11 GMT)

Some people think that this match will be remembered for a long time because we didn't go for the win. Are you guys insane? 10 years from now we will remember how team India was ranked 1 for 2, 3, 4 or how many ever years it may be. This match is going to be long forgotten

Some others say that this is not a performance that represents a Champion side. Well of course it does not. This isn't a champion side, we have 5 players missing from that side. So of course they will not be as good.

Some say Australia in their prime would have chased it down. Yes they would have, but Australia - 5 top guys? They wouldn't have. That Australia team is what we see now. They are ranked 5th. Thats what happens when you lose so many of your top players.

Others are criticizing Srikkanth. I am not a fan of his either. But for the love of god lets realize that it was his selection with which we are number 1 and have won the world cup.

Posted by sjitendran on (July 11, 2011, 11:03 GMT)

Only if India had gone for the win cricket would be a winner. But playing with draw in match and series win in mind the team has played with a pessimistic attitude. Even if they lost the match in going for the win the series would be only drawn. Team India missed a trick. They should have sent Kohli/Harbhajan/Dhoni before the stalwarts like Dravid and asked them to do the pinch hitting. even if we lost few wickets Dravid could have come later and salvaged a draw. Champions always should positive attitude and play aggressively. I wonder whether Fletcher input made the team to play passively. Many people are commenting that this is a second string team without five of renowned seniors. But after couple of years this could be the Team India. By playing positively and aggressively the juniors would have got right initiation for future.

Posted by rsrinath on (July 11, 2011, 10:57 GMT)

congrats team india for winning the t20,odi and tests..all the best for the england series and show the world who the real no.1 is.......best wishes!!!!!!!!

Posted by chin-music on (July 11, 2011, 10:33 GMT)

From an Indian fan's point of view - this must be one of the most hollow series victories ever. So-called #1 plays #8 & is content to sit on a rather fortuitous 1-0 lead - what's more India's bold new age captain casually says "why would I risk a series lead to go after 4.5 run per over (for 20 over with 7 wickets standing !!)". Proof , if any is needed , that this is far from being a champion team - in mind or deed.

Posted by Rocket_180 on (July 11, 2011, 10:24 GMT)

lol India can score 85 off 90 balls with lots of wickets remaining against a poor bowling attack like West Indies

This just underlines how much of a poor test side India are, look at there last few series

India vs WI Win,Draw,Draw (1-0) India vs SA Lost,Win,Draw (1-1) India vs NZ Draw,Draw,Win (1-0) India vs Aus Win,Win (2-0) India vs SL Lost,Draw,Win (1-1)

so in 14 test India won 6 drawn 6 lost 2 not a great record really

Eng vs SL Win,Draw,Draw (1-0) Eng vs Aus Draw,Win,Lost,Win,Win (3-1) Eng vs Pak Win,Lose,Win,Win (3-1) Eng vs Ban Win,Win (2-0)

so in 14 tests England won 9 draw 3 lost 2

This just shows like everybody has said, England are the best team in test cricket inside the last 12 months, and will rip an good Indian side apart

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 10:09 GMT)

This was THE opportunity for India's young Turks to fire but defensive approach from seniors and bad management annihilated that. Yes the wicket was slowing down but couldnt the Best test team in the world chase 180 in 45 overs against the no. 8 team who were a bowler short???

Posted by montys_muse on (July 11, 2011, 10:01 GMT)

The only batsmen who were playing well were Dravid and Laxman. Raina did his part in the series but he got out early in the last innings.

Posted by reginphilip on (July 11, 2011, 9:59 GMT)

Ridiculous attitude by Indian players. They could have easily won the game. Chasing 4 an over is nothing no matter what the pitch. Rahul Dravid should be axed. To not have the confidence to play to win in which was an easy win was ridiculous. Chasing 86 off 90 with 7 wickets in hands is easy. In case, India would have lost 3 wickets, then they could have played for a draw. But not with 7 wickets in hand. This is anyways a disgrace to test cricket. It is for this reason I believe T20 rules & Test match should be banned!

Posted by montys_muse on (July 11, 2011, 9:57 GMT)

Considering the batting line up that India had, I think it was a good decision by Dhoni.

Posted by ssm2407 on (July 11, 2011, 9:55 GMT)

Its all about ifs, buts & maybes. If India had gone full pelt at the Windies - with a full strength squad - they would have won 3-0 easily, even allowing for the rain. Fact of the matter is this tour was merely a stepping stone to the bigger challenge that awaits in England. A case of 'Job Done', lets move on & welcome back the reinforcements

Posted by Archit2121 on (July 11, 2011, 9:36 GMT)

a couple of weeks ago you were bagging the same batsmen (kohli, dhoni) that you now say would have chased it down.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 9:33 GMT)

Why everyone is talking about just 85 of 15 overs... Look at the whole 180 run target for an average of 3.12 of an over... even a soccer team would have achieved it... but their approach since beginning was disastrous... they are just happy with 1-0 win... poor dhoni and fletcher shown their lazyness..

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 9:18 GMT)

why the people and media are blaming the Indian team??? the tests were marred with rain and if there wasn't any rain, India would have won the series 3-0.... and the Indian side was missing its 5 main players... so kindly stop criticizing and praise the effort.... seems many of the people who have commented haven't played test cricket before. scoring at a rate of over 4 runs an over is very very difficult....

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 8:54 GMT)

Just not acceptable no matter how hard anyone tries to defend the abandoned chase...Just remember the series when Australia was in India and had lost half of their side to injury,they still managed to win the series, flying in players from their country whenever needed. This is the commitment to win. In contrast ,look at India in a #1 vs #8 game .I dont think even Gary kirsten would have called off the chase with so many wickets in hand. I am not saying India ended up badly,but the commitment and dedication which should be in a world no. 1 team seems nowhere.

Posted by itisme on (July 11, 2011, 8:53 GMT)

India held on to the 1-0 lead which they achieved in the first test due to a freakish innings from Harbhajan. If the WI had dismissed him early, it will be the WI who will be celebrating. Wow, and India are the No. 1 team!!! ha ha ha.

Posted by Atindra on (July 11, 2011, 8:47 GMT)

Lousy approach by team India.This was mockery of of our No.1 status. At no point India showed that they are willing to chase it. Both the openers are terrible failure and I wonder how many chance Shrikant would give to Murali Vijay (Is he, his son in law?). When is Shrikant retiring from selection committee chairman? He deliberately kept Parthiv away, while knowing he is a better opener than Vijay. Parthiv has more experience in playing abroad specially West Indies, SA and Australia. As soon as Viru and Gauti comes back this Vijay should disappear from Test team but I am sure Shrikant can go to extent to drop Raina and Kohli to include Vijay etc.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 8:43 GMT)

Pathetic by India. Quite right that they had hitters of great ability left to bat. Cynical decision.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 8:34 GMT)

Here comes the value of Shewag. Nobody have the guts atleast to make a try to chase the score. May the god bless him with maximum years in the field in the form what he is......

Posted by concerned_cricketer on (July 11, 2011, 8:34 GMT)

Congratulations to the Indian team on winning the series. Well done! Also congratulations Ishant on your excellent performance. Congratulations Praveen on a fantastic debut performance. Keep up the good work in England. Dravid, it was good to see you back in action. Well done west Indies for saving thsi match and the second one. Excellent performances from Kirk Edwards, Shiv Chanderpaul, Fidel Edwards, Ravi Lionheart Rampaul and even Darren Sammy. Look forward to seeing you guys again. Really enjoyed this series.

Posted by luv28kapur on (July 11, 2011, 8:33 GMT)

Very disappointing. It was all set for a real exciting finish and suddenly we saw players shaking hands and India settling happily for a draw. I know it wasnt easy to score at 5 runs per over but wat was the harm in giving it a try?? Wat wud it cost in playing the remaining overs. Who knows maybe 3 or 4 big overs and suddenly the chase became easy!!!! Even WI were surprised at India's decision to give up!! It wasnt a draw...............cricket was the loser.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 8:31 GMT)

Riduculous day for India team! Player like sehwag could have made the difference. In his absence, Raina-Vijay (opening) and Harbhajan (one-down) could have been attempted. If these people fail to score, we have good back up (Dravid, Laxman & Mukund) in the lower middle order.

Posted by rsurya on (July 11, 2011, 8:11 GMT)

India should have gone for the chase, even they lose the match, the courage would have been spoken in history. This unmatched series win as 1-0 will be never a matter at all. Safe play is an optimal solution not a best solution.

Posted by srinathb on (July 11, 2011, 8:09 GMT)

first of all, I'm totally convinced that This is not the Champion side.This is not the way a Champion team plays...needing 4 runs an over in 47 overs (app) they should've tried for a win.you could easily conclude from the dismissals of Mukund,Raina,Vijay that they were not ready for it.This match will surely be remembered for several years.What a shame!!

Posted by spanishwestindian on (July 11, 2011, 8:09 GMT)

I'm not saying that I agree with India's tactics, and I was very surprised when the match was abandoned. I also have no doubt the past Windian greats would definitely have gone for it. But I can see the thinking behind the Indian tactics. With the asking rate at nearly five and a half an over, it was a one-day situation, but not a one-day match, where you have power plays, wides for anything a millimetre outside the leg stump etc. With three wickets down and more than 80 to get, they thought, if we lose another wicket now, then a bit of panic sets in, we could lose the match and throw away the series. The same critics who are right now castigating the Indians for giving up the chase would have been the first to stick the knives in if they had lost. Funny game cricket: maybe Windies should have gone for it!!

Posted by adith_thegod on (July 11, 2011, 8:09 GMT)

haha. all ppl asking why India didn't try or India didn't try will they lost 5 or 6 wickets, either didnt watch the match or dont understand the rules. The wicket was bloody tough to bat on and Bishoo was bowling a negative line. Once Raina got out, there was no left hander to counter that negative line and there was just NO POINT playing. And India cant continue to play and then opt for a draw after losing 5 or 6 wickets. You think Sammy is a fool to accept a draw after India loses 5 wickets or so? remember that 2 CAPTAINS HAVE TO AGREE MUTUALLY, and that includes SAMMY! i honestly feel sad for this Indian team. Though the team deserves the number 1 spot, the public dont. they certainly dont.

Posted by krdharmesh on (July 11, 2011, 8:07 GMT)

Let the captain and the coach decide what they want. However as a layman who love the game I wanted India to go for the kill. The world's number 1 ranked test team is expected to win on any surface, any condition and against any opposition, not only agajinst a very weak Windies team.

Posted by Raman2811 on (July 11, 2011, 8:04 GMT)

Very Shame.... Not looked like a Champion's Game....

Posted by khurramsch on (July 11, 2011, 8:02 GMT)

i think india was in double mind since start of chase. from start there was no urgency .16 runs in 1st 6 overs. then few in next 8-10. such decisions always remain disputed. but series win is a series win. though india should have win this as well.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 8:01 GMT)

Fortunately the opponent was West Indies, had it been England we would have lost the series. The main problem was with our bowling as we could not dislodge the remaining 3 batsmen within 250 when at one time the score board was 204-7, this was mainly because we selected two bowlers who are hopeless under any condition- Munaf and Praveen Kumar.

Posted by FAB_ALI on (July 11, 2011, 7:54 GMT)

SIDE EFFECTS OF T20 CRICKET - Only those who have very limited cricketing knowledge and are just crazy about 20-20 games are against Dhoni's decision. Rest is understood. NO SHAME FOR WORLD CHAMPS!!!

Posted by deol84 on (July 11, 2011, 7:54 GMT)

Its very sad to see the way india went for the chase,i know its not easy to bat on fifth day pitch but they didn't even try to chase it down.India should try kohali after raina or dhoni may promote himself in the batting order perhaps harbjan comes up the order,well we have won the series,hope we do well in england.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 7:43 GMT)

this fletcher is of no use....only grumpy attitude to show for....

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 7:35 GMT)

What if another 2 wickets were lost trying to chase or worse had we lost the test by 15 runs chasing? What would the media do? With a depleted team Dhoni and Flectcher are shrewd enough to understand what the team is capable of. This is the not 90's Azharuddin team to make zillion mistakes. Dhoni is a very smart captain. Lets move on to England and beat them with a full strength team.

Posted by Sameer-hbk on (July 11, 2011, 7:33 GMT)

This whole "abandoned chase" issue seems to take the focus off of the fact that our so-called world class spinner could not dislodge WI No. 10 and 11 for a session and bowled pathetically on the last day of a test match on a slow turner (despite rain eating away time). There is no questioning what Bhajji has done in the past but off late he seems jaded, pale and pathetic shadow of his past self... Watching him bowl was the most frustrating thing yesterday...

Moreover, by the coach's own logic if the track was difficult to score runs, but easy to stay on and bat for long durations, why could you not promote Kohli, MSD and even Harbhajan before letting VVS and Dravid play for a draw??? ICC wants people to watch Test cricket and yet has these rules where I stay up till 2 in the night to see people shake hands and not play 15 overs of the game. Ind might have played good cricket but their actions were not befitting of a team that carries the World Champion tag in a sport.

Posted by ragomsk on (July 11, 2011, 7:31 GMT)

I do not understand the thinking behind many of these comments. Passion is good, it is great that there are such cricket enthusiasts in India, BUT, there is no point talking about players who are not only not in the team but not in the squad!! We all know what Sehwag, Gambhir Yuvaraj can do. But do not forget that it only 4 years ago that the full Indian team which included both Sehwag and Yuvaraj had a disastrous time at the World Cup in the Caribbean. Anyway there is no point talking about players who are absent you can only pick a team from the players who are not only in the squad but who are fit when the match begins!! Also India were already 1-0 up in the series. A BIRD IN HAND IS ALWAYS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH!! That India indeed wanted a 2-0 series win is evident from the declaration in the second test. All things considered this Indian team has done great and good luck to them in England!

Posted by petz on (July 11, 2011, 7:11 GMT)

how about trying a luck with bhaji............. instead of Raina.he already prooved he can. Dhonni really missed the trick here.........a team with full of 20- 20 players..........,its a real shame.This all are not excuses..........,this is not the game of champions...........a difference between Australia and India.Expect a lot more from India,We can say this is not full strength team but still....................

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 7:07 GMT)

India sud have tried fr it till 5 wckts falls.....If 5 wckts were der in da wckts column only then they sud have opted fr a draw! Da killing instinct sud b der in No.1 Test team.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 7:07 GMT)

India would not have won it, with Bishoo holding up one end pitching outside leg stump. But what I don't understand is, even if it seems so unlikely, how come these professional cricketers who are paid to bat could not simply play 15 more overs? Even if they wouldn't have scored they should have played those 15 overs. maybe even if the equation would have come down to 50 runs from 35 balls, maybe they could have gone helter skelter again. Still hardly any chnance, but what would they have lost in batting for the last 15 overs of the entire tour? 1 hour?

Posted by poorselector on (July 11, 2011, 7:06 GMT)

I wish india doesnt win first match in england or else we would be watching 3 drawn matches in row....

Posted by Sumit83 on (July 11, 2011, 7:00 GMT)

"Lot of Criticism for Indian Test team not chasing 86 runs in 15 overs and calling off the match". But the fact is India gave a try to chase run , sending Raina ahead of Laxman. With Mukund out in first ball and Settled pair M Vijay and Dravid struggling to score even after playing more than 20+ overs. It was difficult for the team to score 86 runs in 15 overs. And Wes tIndies bowlers are not so generous that they would have not bowled negative bowling seeing India chasing. Also West Indies would have taken their own sweet time to see not to complete those 15 overs before the light been offered. This is test cricket and not T20 or ODI. Indian Team took the right decision and we should be happy with many top players missing and still we won T20 , ODI and Test series. Its time we look forward to England Series!

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 6:59 GMT)

India agreeing to call off the match with power hitters like Dhoni & Kohli still in the hut was just not acceptable.We say that we are the no.1 team in the world and have been there for a couple of years now but the killer instinct is still not there.If we want to intimidate oppositions like the mighty Oz or the West Indies used to then we have to press for wins.Nothing intimidates the opposition more than their oppositions winning streak.Also India's policy of bowling outside off stump to both Chanderpaul and a tail- ender like Fidel Edwards needs to come under the scanner.India just had to bowl a fuller length to Edwards and they were far from it. Indian pacemen unable to rattle the stumps of even tail-enders is a worry if they don't sort it out India may more often than not have to be content with draws.

Posted by jaweed.ali on (July 11, 2011, 6:56 GMT)

not happy with indian time as they didnt went for a win.... why rahul was playing like a kid....look at his strike rate. no. 1 should b like, they should do unexpected things by winning...

Posted by praths on (July 11, 2011, 6:50 GMT)

This is just ridiculous statement from the team ..

85 in 15 overs - that was not an impossible thing .. at the most they would have played for draw had they lost 2 more wickets ..

No #1 team playing no # 8 team and not able to force a result ..wht would have they done if it was a 20-20 match ... giving up even in this 20-20 era doesn't seem acceptable..

Posted by indianzen on (July 11, 2011, 6:46 GMT)

As far As we are winning the series, i don't mind. but a chance to Badrinath instead of kohli would have been better. Come on guys... we are thinkmen and cant win matches with labor. India is No1 and will be No1 where ever we go... Jai Hind...

Posted by andrew-schulz on (July 11, 2011, 6:36 GMT)

Fletcher's comments are amazing. Has he never seen a run chase where runs are scored at a greater rate as the target comes closer with wickets in hand? A disgraceful performance. Truly disgraceful.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 6:35 GMT)

shame on india!! if they cant get 86 runs from 90 balls and still claim to be the top test side its really a coward attitude from them...1-0 lead in the series and still not going for the chase..now some people r compairing india scoring capablity with WI...haha.. way to go guys

Posted by FAB_ALI on (July 11, 2011, 6:29 GMT)

I THINK THE BIGGEST FACTOR FOR GIVING UP THE CHASE WAS BISHOO'S BOWLING (NEGATIVE LINE) AND HE WOULD HAVE OBVIOUSLY BOWLED 7-8 OF REMAINING 15 OVERS. THERE WAS NO POINT TRYING TO GO AFTER HIM.

Posted by Aussie_rulez on (July 11, 2011, 6:29 GMT)

Well played India!!!....Winning the series, that's primary objective fulfilled... Duncan Fletcher, I fully endorse your views... It was a difficult pitch to score on, why waste time in the middle? besides, Windies have the rains to thank for not losing so badly xD

The combination of slow pitch, the Windies bowling a kilometer outside off stump and with limited overs remaining in the final day, Can you think of a winning batting strategy?

For T20 enthusiasts it's a bitter reality pill to swallow, Test cricket is not T20, kids...

Posted by Zycr9 on (July 11, 2011, 6:28 GMT)

Completely agree with fletcher. Though disappointed that match was called off. Pretty happy that second string indian team won the T20, test series and Odi series. Indian team did go for the win. Watching the chase I felt WI team were just pathetic bowling wide outside off and bowling negative line. Fidel edwards for all the pace he got was content on bowling wide outside off and bishoo cant even bowl wicket to wicket and he was bowling outside leg stump. And sammy was pathetic to say the least.WI should thank rain gods and umpires. Whole series is marred by poor umpiring. 1) Umpiring was poor so if india continued and got bad decisions it would have been even worse 2) Bad light could have stopped play and Indian team would have never got those full quota of 15 overs left 3) WI team bowling negative line and wide outside off 4) Virat, Dhoni and bhajji all got bad decisions in this series so why risk 1-0 lead on a pitch that was difficult? Overall I think 2nd string Indian team did well

Posted by ThinkerDR on (July 11, 2011, 6:24 GMT)

Shame on India - we all were up late night to see the Indian chase and suddenly shocked to see the tame handshakes.... This is the conservative coward mindset brought in by English coach. Scoring these runs were cake walk for IPL generation players... I am sure this would cost Fletcher and Dhoni their positions earlier than expected.

Posted by rawr94 on (July 11, 2011, 6:21 GMT)

perhaps the indians were mesmerised by chanderpaul and how he hovered around a 30-40 strike rate??

Posted by bharath74 on (July 11, 2011, 6:18 GMT)

Steve Waugh would have gone for the win. I think this series overall is a moral victory for Sammy who lead WI team with passion and courage unlike India who chicken out of the chase.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 6:12 GMT)

Leave alone Fletcher. What does this decision to abandon the chase say of Dhoni? He is a great modern day captain, but in crunch moments he goes defensive way too soon.

Posted by rawr94 on (July 11, 2011, 6:10 GMT)

australia wouldve gone for it, as long as we dont include hughes and ponting... :P

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 6:10 GMT)

BAD advertisement for TEST cricket......audience CHEATED once again.....if ICC really wants to save TEST cricket, try these things 1) nobody can prematurely call off a test match 2) allow lights to be used 3) make it 4 day + 1 reserve day (for rain etc) 4) each team plays max 90 overs in 1 innings (this will increase the run rates, force 2 innings per test match and force results) 5) bowling rules shud be as in ODIs, wide balls leg side bowling shud be punished with runs as in ODIs 6) so match will be over in 4days with 1 extra reserve day if needed 7) new ball after 50 overs 8) mandatory use of DRS hawk eye hotspot ball track etc in TESTS 9) colored clothing 10) add some entertainment music dance contests to spice up the game 10) allow people to interact with players afterwards - photos interviews autographs lunch etc i.e. give incentives to audience to participate and make test match lively........hope anyones listening in ICC ????????

Posted by Sumit83 on (July 11, 2011, 6:10 GMT)

"Lot of Criticism for Indian Test team not chasing 86 runs in 15 overs and calling off the match". But the fact is India gave a try to chase run , sending Raina ahead of Laxman. With Mukund out in first ball and Settled pair M Vijay and Dravid struggling to score even after playing more than 20+ overs. It was difficult for the team to score 86 runs in 15 overs. And Wes tIndies bowlers are not so generous that they would have not bowled negative bowling seeing India chasing. Also West Indies would have taken their own sweet time to see not to complete those 15 overs before the light been offered. This is test cricket and not T20 or ODI. Indian Team took the right decision and we should be happy with many top players missing and still we won T20 , ODI and Test series. Its time we look forward to England Series!

Posted by BoonBoom on (July 11, 2011, 6:04 GMT)

I think Fletcher is right here and important thing here is that India already had the series so there was no point getting risky on a difficult pitch. We also need to remember Indian battting is unpredictable therefore it was indeed a wise decision by Dhoni & Co. not going for the chase after loosing 3 wicxkets. Anyway, well done India !!!!

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 6:00 GMT)

Folks, please understand this is Test Cricket...Don't see Test Cricket thru T20 and ODI glasses. Draw is also a good result especially having the series in our side. I am sure, India would have gone all out to win this test if the series is still 0-0. One thing which I cannot accept being Dhoni's comment on the possibility of India loosing the test by going for a win. Even in the dreams of West Indians, it was impossible. By sending Dravid in 3, India haven;t tried to win from the outset which is slightly disappointing. Anytime, India would have shifted gears and opted for Draw but could have tried till 4 wkts down. Draw the test without trying for win from this situation is slightly disappointing otherwise, i am pretty happy with another overseas victory. Congrats Team India

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 5:51 GMT)

Rain n wi defensive batting played the spoil sport......other wise india could have easily made it....

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 5:49 GMT)

i don't agree with u at all MR. FLETCHER...Have u forgotten that u r the coach of the world's best team?? and as the world's best u ought to try to win not compromising with a draw in any situation.Ofcourse the world knows u could have tried to win by sending VK or MSD up the order.BUt u instead sent laxman so that u cud say in the end hey guys how can u xpect a new man coming in and make 6 rpo...crazy stuff!!!Who made it 6 rpo ??? it was not 6 rpo from the start.

Posted by ansram on (July 11, 2011, 5:46 GMT)

It was not Indians who lost it through batting but chanders who did it by seeing out 60 overs himself which was crucial in a rain hit match. 180 odd in 45 overs is very difficult on a pitch like this. A certain Viru might have made all the difference though.

Posted by Muyeen on (July 11, 2011, 5:37 GMT)

i do not think it was a draw because we gave up the chase..it was a draw because if edwards - chanderpaul partnership. Do we deserve to be no 1 side in the world if we struggle to dismiss the tail enders like we do. Also 1st innings they bowled with 2 and half bowlers. no rampaul..sammy half fit..n we managed to score only 343...If we score so much against this westindies side on a flat track then wonder what will happen against England. Only positive way to look at it will be may be Indians werent challenged thats why there was no motivation in this series.. against england... better side..better be motivated or else we will be humiliated...

Posted by aadi20 on (July 11, 2011, 5:30 GMT)

in yesterdy's chase definitely a guy like sehwag ws lacking...if viru ws dere anything cud hav hapened...i think its beter to blame the indian owlers dan d batsmen,becoz it liked awkward dat our bowlers cudnt get d wicket of edwards and he played 106 balls 4 his 30 runs..dats realy bad india!!! dats were it went wrong..u cant expect dravid & vvs to chase 86 frm 90 balls in a test match..A 3-0 series went jst 1-0!! india seems to b able to win only 1 test on away tours..see d majority cases frm 2002..in 2002 dey won 1 test in england..sereis drawn..in 2003/04 dey again won only 1 test in australa,series drawn again, in 2006 won 1 test in south africa,sereies lost, agian won jst 1 in windies,series drawn in 2007 england- 1 test won-series won in 2008 australia-1 test won-series lost in 2009-new zealand- 1 test won- series won in 2010-south africa 1 test won- series drawn nw again in windies dey won only 1 test...dis certainly luks like a jinx for india outside d subcontinent..

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 5:30 GMT)

this series is nothing one other than ishant sharmas come back. its good bcci gave rest to important players. the england tour will be very intresting and competitive.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 5:24 GMT)

The English must be highly confused about preparing the pitches after watching this Ind-WI series. If they go for green, seaming & bouncy wickets, India must be licking their prospects with the likes of Zaheer, Ishant, Praveen in their bowling armoury. Yes, the English have got Anderson & Tremlett but with an out-of-form Broad & the Indians possessing a stronger batting lineup (man to man) than the Poms, India would be certainly favourites to win. And if the English prepare dead slow wickets like this one in Dominica, the best that they can hope for is a draw. Swann is definitely in better form than Harbhajan but doesn't have a strong spin partner that India has in Amit Mishra.

Posted by msvknight on (July 11, 2011, 5:23 GMT)

It seemed a very conservative call. WI are only the 7th ranked team and only above a NZ and Bangladesh team that are sadly very weak. WI weren't playing their best players either (Gayle and Roach come to mind) and it was a bit cowardly to call it off 3 wickets down. However, please stop mentioning the Aussies and great WI teams. A half strength India is not in the same solar system as they are and are entitled to be careful. They would have taken a media hammering if they blew it and drew the series. They did what was required. Call it a C - which is a pass mark.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 5:20 GMT)

WI played for draw; they just saved their wickets and consumed as many overs as possible. when Indian finally got a chance, ofcourse, WI will bowl NEGATIVE line, leg stump line, 2 feet outside off stump, outside leg stump, umpires won't mind, no field restrictions, no bowling restrictions, they will bowl bouncers - Indians have to face all the negatives that are possible- but to be NO-1 they should tried their best to win against all these odds. that would have proved them no 1 and a strong statement. Kohli should hve been sent after raina, then harbhajan then dhoni then praveen kumar - they shud hve tried with another 4 wickets...15 overs 85 doable...am very disappointed....

Posted by sathishkrish on (July 11, 2011, 5:08 GMT)

Funny that many fans are blaming the batsmen and their strategy. The main reason why India weren't able to win was the bowlers weren't able to take the No.10 batsmen and allowed him to play 100+ deliveries. Shiv played an amazing innings that delayed things for us. As a No.1 test team they did miss someone like Kumble who could wrap up the tail. Great fighting effort from Windies.

Posted by TheOnlyEmperor on (July 11, 2011, 5:07 GMT)

It was very clear to me that Dhoni should have come after Raina's wicket or possibly a pinch hitter like Praveen who has been scoring those 20 odd runs in good time in WI. Dhoni and Kohli should have definitely come up ahead. The pitch was a 5th day pitch but the WI bowlers were also tired. The 3 pace bowlers were all struggling physically and WI is known to crumble mentally under pressure. That means bad bowling = Scoring opportunities for India. If Dhoni, Kohli and Praveen had gotten out hitting, then Laxman and Dravid could have decided to play for a draw with Harbhajan and the other wickets remaining. Every top team in the world wd have gone for it. Bishoo should have been swept for runs. A Chanderpaul like STANCE for Bishoo would have been very effective. Vijay and Dhoni are not imaginative and lack skill to improvise. Dravid and Laxman are too orthodox. Kohli could have been tested out. Should have been given a mandate to go all out. If Raina can courageously try why not Kohli?

Posted by akr47 on (July 11, 2011, 5:04 GMT)

Don't know how people r defending draw. don't deserve calling ourselves world no1. even bangladesh won 2-0 against wi and we could manage only 1-0 even with rain interruptions. second test was lost due to slow batting and not rain and less said about third test. At least they could have tried, but they gave up cowardly.

Posted by Rahul_78 on (July 11, 2011, 5:01 GMT)

What happened yesterday was a disgrace. By his own admission it wasn't very difficult wicket to stay on where WI no 10 Edwards managed to hang around for 37 overs. How on earth does one explain letting go of 15 overs when at least an honest attempt would have been made to chase a test victory none the less. There was only 1 team out there who could have won the test match and it was India. WI were on defensive and rightly so. If India would have played 15 overs and still would have been 30 runs short the Indian fans wouldn't have minded it as an honest attempt would have been made to persuade a victory.

Posted by SamikDG on (July 11, 2011, 4:57 GMT)

I am an ardent Indian cricket fan, a bigger test cricket fan, despise IPL and I felt really cheated after staying up till 2.15 in the morning on a Sunday night when I have a week of frenetic work to look forward to. I had stayed up for the Eng-SL Lord's test as well and had an almost similar feeling. Cricketers are doing a great disservice to test cricket and surely going to lose a few loyal fans. I think Dhoni and Fletcher probably have some accountability towards Indian test cricket fans also, isn't it?

Posted by Bapi on (July 11, 2011, 4:56 GMT)

Yes it is difficult to score 4 runs per over on that surface but not impossible. But the biggest problem is India's senior players are from the era, in which India loved to draw a match on foreign soil and India forced to sent Dravid as Mukund got out in the very first ball. Had he batted for five overs, then Kohli could have been sent. So overall, looking at Pitch and the batsman we have, this was fine.

WI should prepare such wicket for the next one year or so, to give some confindence to their players.

Posted by Karthik_indiancricket on (July 11, 2011, 4:55 GMT)

india miss viru surely in this match.... if he is in this match the match will be finished in 35 overs... i didnt over estimated the WI Players but its only the truth...

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 4:49 GMT)

I would still support Indians; the way they played thought the serious was spectacular. One should not forget that we cannot do anything with nature. If there is no rain in both the tests, it would have been a different story all together. Also we have to note one thing, WI intention thought out this test series is to get a draw, and they never compete with Indian not even in single innings. Having a week opponent like WI at other end, how can we expect good fighting sprit in a test match? All eyes waiting for India vs. England. Hoping that India can do a lot better than what they have achieve in the Caribbean.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 4:44 GMT)

Now watz d point in trying the world no 1 side confidant of winning doing such stupid things lets a country down man its not just winning series it should be a game of good cricket dhoni and kholi can make a diff cause they are t20 players could have tried disappointed thats d word

Posted by m_ilind on (July 11, 2011, 4:41 GMT)

Pak managed to beat India twice in the '79 series in Pak, chasing down 170 odd in 30-35 overs. There was frantic running between the wickets by Asif Iqbal & Co., with Imran hitting Bedi for three sixes in an over. I had conjured up visions of India doing the same in this match, but alas MS is very defensive. No way, India could have lost this match, so his explanation does not hold much water.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 4:35 GMT)

What bugs me is that they didn't even bat the overs. Cricket is a spectator sport and it hardly encourages people to buy tickets when teams just go for the cop out option, especially in these days of Twenty20. They could have at least batted the overs, and perhaps if they needed 25 off the last two with six or seven wickets left they could have had a dart. I love Test cricket but its outdated and encourages dumb, archaic mindsets in the teams. Get rid of the option for the final hour - make the teams play it. That's what they're paid for after all.

Posted by frommoonman on (July 11, 2011, 4:33 GMT)

People - just understand one thing...this is test cricket and there are no rules for field placement, wides, bouncer no-balls and number of overs a bowler can bowl. It would have been impossible even if Viv and Viru both were batting on opposite end.

Posted by the_blue_android on (July 11, 2011, 4:30 GMT)

Everyone saying Sehwag is the answer, he has gotten out many many times throwing his wicket away and putting the whole team under pressure. Sehwag would probably pull off this chase at the Kotla, not on WI pitches. Let's see what Sehwag can do in England considering he was a sitting duck in SA. Sehwag cost us the series in SA. Steyn's bunny Sehwag.

Posted by CRICSL on (July 11, 2011, 4:27 GMT)

India Chickenout and now talk about wining series against ENG..LOL

Posted by RD270 on (July 11, 2011, 4:14 GMT)

The point is not about going or not going for the win. The point is about giving up with 15 overs to go! They could have at least batted 8-10 more overs and assessed the situation from there.

What about the paying public at the ground. The ones who waited patiently through the rain over four days. Do they not deserve something of the so called MANDATORY overs.

The cricketers and the administration are taking the public for granted. Play should not be allowed to be called off by mutual agreement. The public deserves better.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 4:14 GMT)

Hey, guys. we are talking about the the No 1 team in the world. ok, what are we saying ?? why didnt they atleast try..c'mn they cud have gone after the bowling and never mind lost a few wickets and then cud have given up the chase...but this is silly and really ..uff cant say what i would really like to....its more than disappointing..it is a shame...lets see what they do in England.. :(

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 3:58 GMT)

lets look at chennai test against england when eng played 2 session of 4 day too slowly saying that pitch is too slow to score runs.needing about 350+ target in 2nd inning's IND started of well with shewag and then it was just constant 3-4 runs a over to get target.AND india did well.the difference is the mind set of team or just a bad decesion for not going for target.MAY be kiresten ..............................

Posted by NomDePlume on (July 11, 2011, 3:56 GMT)

India were never getting 48 overs - that would have meant a finish well past 6 PM. Maximum, they could expect 41 overs. To expect a half-strength Indian team to score 181 in 41 overs away is unrealistic even on a flat wicket. Also WI decided to play for a draw very early as they figured they couldn't bowl out India with their attack. If India had tried to push the scoring, WI would have bowled 2 feet outside off and leg - there are no bowling and fielding restrictions. The max run rate they could achieve would be 3.5. Something like 140 would have been doable. In reality, India were denied by the rain in both the matches, with full five days play, WI would have lost both.

Posted by rapidxxx on (July 11, 2011, 3:46 GMT)

@Kuljimder, couldnt agree more

Posted by Hindh on (July 11, 2011, 3:38 GMT)

At the end of the day what matters is a series win and that has been secured. They tried chasing it but once the players found it difficult to go after the bowling they shut shop and that was the right thing to do with series in the bag.....

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (July 11, 2011, 3:38 GMT)

WI dull and boring batting lead by Chanderpaul and rains on first two days were responsible....

If it hadn't been for rains, we would have won 3-0!

Posted by dhoni_hater on (July 11, 2011, 3:37 GMT)

Sehwag or gambir can tackle this situation properly not this minnow openers...

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 3:34 GMT)

I second Kuljinder and add that having Yuvraj wold have made a difference too. With his muscle power and timing he has often come in handy on such slow tracks and could have made the difference in chasing 4/5 runs per over.

Although I agree with Dhoni's decision to give up the chase. He could have tried sending Kohli and Harbhajan to force the issue and in case of their dismissal would have left it on Laxman to save the game. Although, this sounds like a decent plan but in case if Laxman or Dravid got out, it would have opened the flood gates for the Windies. With the series in the bag and chasing 4/5 runs on the last day track, settling with a draw sounds like a good decision.

Well played team India. Good luck against England.

Posted by svenkat02 on (July 11, 2011, 3:33 GMT)

But for rain, India would have whitewashed this series 3-0. Rain helped WI, also India were playing a rank 2nd string side (no Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar and Zaheer; all four major test players). Inspite of that, we were in this for a 3-0 whitewash (but for the rain). Speaks volumes of our performance. No problem with the 1-0 result, happy with it. We dominated the series.

Posted by anurag4u10 on (July 11, 2011, 3:28 GMT)

very funny mr. fletcher............. i think d bettr option wud hav been batting throughout as losing 7 wkts was very unlikely and if we wud hav batted thriughout chances were in our favors as laxman is a stoke maker nd we had dhoni , kohli and bhajji to fllw

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 3:28 GMT)

180 in 45 - 50 was always going to be a dicey chase. 85 in 15 come on man...it was difficult and be under no illusion that this WI bowling attack would given it up. Could have done this or that but the end result would have been a draw or a 5 wicket haul for a WI bowler.

YES WE MISSED OUR OPENERS....VIRENDER SEHWAG.

Posted by skart on (July 11, 2011, 3:25 GMT)

If you see, West Indies also struggled to score runs. Ideally WI also might have tried to put 30-40 odd runs extra when they are getting to the tail end.. But they could not even with the well settled batsman Chandrapal.. So, i think it is acceptable the decision of india to give up the chase. However, i would like if India had sent Harbhajan to try when raina got out.. Nothing bad if you give up after losing five wicket.. it wont make any difference..

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (July 11, 2011, 3:25 GMT)

WI played well in this test...thats the truth...and you cannot expect a result when you lost 90+ overs in a test match...that means you lost one day!...if the score was below 150, India had a chance...India were short of one bowler, Munaf was not enough to do something.

Posted by Test_Cricket_Best_Cricket on (July 11, 2011, 3:22 GMT)

The Big positive from this series is the form of M Vijay.. Hope the selectors find someone else as a back up opener. I thought even Dinesh kaarthik was better than this bloke..

Posted by yocasi on (July 11, 2011, 3:20 GMT)

It's easy to say "if this or that had happened ..." but the outcome of the series was a fair reflection of both teams' abilities. India dodged a great number of bullets in every match so it's crap to say they should have won 2-0 or 3-0. All three games could have gone either way at different points. Congrats to India but Windies put up a commendable fight.

Posted by Craving4Cric on (July 11, 2011, 3:15 GMT)

I watched all the 5 days, i am crazy about cricket, i would have been happy if they at least tried swinging their bat till they loose another 2 wickets. If they cannot get it, so be it. But it is worth trying. At least, Dravid would have become 2nd leading scorer, what is the hurry in finishing the day? But anyhow good job India for getting all the three formats. No sympathy for any cricket board, we have lost enough earlier, now try to win as much as we can. Forget this and go with full confidence to England, we all are there always with you. Go for it!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 3:14 GMT)

I would just say, with players like Dhoni, Raina, Kholi, Vijay in the team who are 20-20 giants, its a pretty poor display. 180 should have been knocked out pretty easy instead of giving WI a parting gift. No matter what explanations Fletcher might give, I have no clue why couldnt someone like kohli, or even harbhajan singh throw thier bat when 90 was required of 17 overs. Are you kidding me, we had 7 wickets in hand. Its indeed a decision that brought great shame. As if the players were just too lazy to finish it up. COme on guys

Posted by prasanna2929 on (July 11, 2011, 3:13 GMT)

he is d coach,he is der and has seen d conditions pretty well.....so the decision 2 cal off d match shoulnt b criticized......

Posted by deepu1469 on (July 11, 2011, 3:11 GMT)

should have tried ... shame on u guys..

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 3:08 GMT)

No amount of defensiveness from Dhoni and Fletcher can deny the fact that Indians should have aggressively pursued this chase. Dhoni needs to go beyond coolness to ruthlessness.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 3:07 GMT)

Yes only sehwag could have won it for India because India is really pessimistic.. I bet even Sachin wouldn't have tried to win it..

India is easily the best in the world at the moment in Test Matches but it seems it still doesn't deserve the tag because of its lack of hunger to whitewash Test Series.. Dhoni just wants to win 1-0..

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 3:05 GMT)

@Kuljinder Singh:Exactly....this team lacked Sehwag....he would have finished the match in a whisker...

Posted by TDOT-Indian on (July 11, 2011, 3:02 GMT)

Sucks bring number 1. Always have to face criticism. All good though they won and would hve won if not for the rain.

Posted by SHIV_KAAR on (July 11, 2011, 2:57 GMT)

Firstly I am disappointed to see the result. I would be happy to see 2-0 Test series win. But without Sehwag(primarily), Sachin & Gambhir who can score runs quickly in Test it is just ridiculous to ask for 6runs/over on this track.

Looking at the series, winning T20, ODI & Test series is definitely an achievement for a Young Team. Lets cherish that rather arguing on last 2sessions of the series.

Finally, Well Done Team INDIA.

Posted by IndiaGoats on (July 11, 2011, 2:53 GMT)

I remember during the last England tour, Dravid was criticized for not going for the follow-on. Indians just seem to lack the self-belief to have a go at it. This should reflect badly on the BCCI as well, going with a weakened team and then struggling. The net result is now India's test ratings points have declined by 2 points.

Posted by   on (July 11, 2011, 2:41 GMT)

Only one solution for this is Sehwag...Only one solution for this is Sehwag...

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