India in West Indies 2011 July 11, 2011

Plenty of progress for West Indies

ESPNcricinfo reviews the performances of the West Indies players in the Tests against India
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Adrian Barath slipped
For a man who scored a debut hundred in Australia this series was a disappointment. He was consistently squared-up by deliveries seaming away from the off stump. Ian Bishop reckons he has the discipline to work hard and come back with the required improvements.

Lendl Simmons looked out of place in Tests
He just didn't look like a Test opener. He was on song in the ODIs but couldn't handle the seaming tracks on offer in the first two Tests. His replacement didn't do too well either.

Kirk Edwards showed true grit
He might not have the greatest technique but he seems to have a big heart. He was willing to fight it out, willing to look ugly, willing to be remain patient and bat through sessions. He replaced Ramnaresh Sarwan and looked like he has it in him, at least mentally, to cope with the task on hand. It will be interesting to see how he handles the short ball on bouncier tracks. It's too early to say anything conclusive about him.

Chanderpaul likes a fight
He was under immense pressure ahead of the final innings of the final Test but came through with yet another patient fighting knock of real substance. He has shown his value in a batting line-up shorn of experience and has earned himself plenty of breathing space. When West Indies is in trouble, it's still Chanderpaul that you turn to.

Samuels makes a comeback
It was Samuels who played the most skilful knock by a West Indian in this series. In the second Test, the pitch was seaming but he played late and showed immense patience to fight it out. It was a stirring knock under pressure. In the third Test, in both innings, he failed as he hung back to relatively full deliveries though he got a bad decision in the second innings. He was one of the pluses for West Indies this series as he showed he has the class.

Carlton Baugh came through
He was very good behind the stumps and as the series went he showed his worth in front of it as well. He displayed character in situations when things were slightly dicey for the team. West Indies were at the risk of losing in the second Test when he came in and seized the Indian attack with his aggression. He hit a fifty in the first innings of the final Test and has now firmly gone ahead of Denesh Ramdin.

Darren Sammy showed guts
He faced plenty of criticism but he came through. He was the one that kept out Kemar Roach but impressed with his tireless spells and commitment. His batting never came on and unless it does, his place will be always under question. He led the team well on the field and the team looked a professional unit. Sammy might not have great skills but he definitely has the heart.

Ravi Rampaul sparkled
Rampaul impressed with his canny seam bowling. He showed intelligence and skill and hit the right areas nearly always. He always put the batsmen under pressure. He was attacking and yet never leaked runs.

Fidel Edwards sizzled
Eyebrows were raised when he replaced Roach but he turned in impressive spells, bowling with pace and fire to silence everyone. Sometimes it appeared he was overdoing the short stuff but he always attacked and was the chief aggressor in this unit. He was indefatigable and astonished with his commitment. On the third day of the final Test when West Indies were without Rampaul, the way Edwards took on the responsibility was a stand-out feature of the series. Also, the way he knuckled down and batted with Chanderpaul on the final day of the Test. He is a fighter.

Devendra Bishoo will have learned
He started off with a bang on the first day of the series but tapered off slightly as the series went on. This would have been a great learning curve for the young legspinner who continues to impress. He was guilty of bowling a touch short in the third Test but by then he perhaps was tiring.

Sriram Veera is a staff writer at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on July 14, 2011, 21:36 GMT

    Simonviller, you have to recognize that most of the people who put down those guys and the coach, are not true West Indian Cricket supporters. They were hoping that they would fail. I was happy to see some eat crow when Kirk Edwards got his century

  • on July 13, 2011, 14:31 GMT

    What was noticeable was that as the series progressed our players got better. Eg Baugh, Ravi, Bishoo, Sammy. We have completed back to back series, & what next? Here is where the Board comes in. They should arrange for our players to join top int'l clubs or even leagues around the wrld. When we were great our players played county cricket. What will our boys do fr now to Oct? The regional clubs do not have the std. Ov to the Brd. What about wooing a wealthy Indian entrep. to start a league in the Caribbean. Not 20/20! ODI or 3day matches. Just an idea!

  • Metman on July 13, 2011, 14:12 GMT

    @Squaddy !Lets' be honest too !Barath made a century on debut,and where is he heading now ? av.around 20 in his next 12 innings !Why highlight the negatives,why did't yu highlight those players who made centuries on debut and went on to achieve greatness.? A century is a century anywhere,anytime ! K.Edwards technically is a better batsman than both Barath and Dwayne Smith,and I expect him to av.in excess of 30 in his next 12 innings.A professional coach to work with any player regardless of his attitude ? Big man,we are living in a real world,not a fantasy world or a perfect world !NO COACH IN THE WORLD would ever work with a player who insults him, and have negative things to say to him,his capt.and team management.Furthermore,if yu do indeed follow world cricket ,those players who have problems with management,either don't insult and say negative things about their capt,and coach,and then turn around and demand that they pick them,or they simply apologise !

  • Navin84 on July 13, 2011, 13:40 GMT

    Can someone plz tell me when is WI next International assignment and against which team?

  • on July 13, 2011, 11:57 GMT

    you guys should spend some time analysing the effects of leadership on performance, have you not noticed there are leaders in industry who elevate performance wherever they work. have you ever heard of team dynamics?

  • CandidIndian on July 13, 2011, 10:38 GMT

    Lennon Dave Bhagwandin-After those humiliating losses of your team against SA ,England ,India and Pakistan in world cup its not surprising that you found it boring.Losers always find the winners boring.You guys have lost last three series to India, two of them were played in WI,still you are happy that your team showed some fight ,LOL ,this shows the state of Cricket in WI these days, such a disgrace to legendary team of WI with so many greats.

  • ranpath on July 13, 2011, 9:08 GMT

    Let us reserve judgement on Kirk Edwards until he has had a string of good performances. As the article said Bharath scored a ton on debut as well, against the then no. 1 ( Australia) and look how he has struggled throughout this series. Edwards ususally sizzles for a while every time he "makes a comeback" and then starts to wane and then gets an injury that puts him out for long periods. Let's face it , Sammy was never one with credentials for being captain. He was only put there by default and the team is probably getting along by skill and maybe a bit of pride.

  • Phat-Boy on July 13, 2011, 7:22 GMT

    I will repeat, for the mass of people who seem incapable of understanding it.

    Darren Sammy averages 28 for his career, and 24 for the five test season just completed.

    End of argument.

  • Alexk400 on July 13, 2011, 3:56 GMT

    West Indies major problem is balance. With sammy they have to play 5 bowlers. But their batting is weak. if carlton baug or sammy start to play like test batsman , they can have 5th bowler. Bishoo is best bowler they got. They can't drop him. They need one more bowler. Sammy bowling containment role. Not enough to take wickets. If he bats well then it will be ok. If he do not bat well ...WI always be so close so near losses.

  • Alexk400 on July 13, 2011, 3:53 GMT

    Bishoo was better than all indian spinners

  • on July 14, 2011, 21:36 GMT

    Simonviller, you have to recognize that most of the people who put down those guys and the coach, are not true West Indian Cricket supporters. They were hoping that they would fail. I was happy to see some eat crow when Kirk Edwards got his century

  • on July 13, 2011, 14:31 GMT

    What was noticeable was that as the series progressed our players got better. Eg Baugh, Ravi, Bishoo, Sammy. We have completed back to back series, & what next? Here is where the Board comes in. They should arrange for our players to join top int'l clubs or even leagues around the wrld. When we were great our players played county cricket. What will our boys do fr now to Oct? The regional clubs do not have the std. Ov to the Brd. What about wooing a wealthy Indian entrep. to start a league in the Caribbean. Not 20/20! ODI or 3day matches. Just an idea!

  • Metman on July 13, 2011, 14:12 GMT

    @Squaddy !Lets' be honest too !Barath made a century on debut,and where is he heading now ? av.around 20 in his next 12 innings !Why highlight the negatives,why did't yu highlight those players who made centuries on debut and went on to achieve greatness.? A century is a century anywhere,anytime ! K.Edwards technically is a better batsman than both Barath and Dwayne Smith,and I expect him to av.in excess of 30 in his next 12 innings.A professional coach to work with any player regardless of his attitude ? Big man,we are living in a real world,not a fantasy world or a perfect world !NO COACH IN THE WORLD would ever work with a player who insults him, and have negative things to say to him,his capt.and team management.Furthermore,if yu do indeed follow world cricket ,those players who have problems with management,either don't insult and say negative things about their capt,and coach,and then turn around and demand that they pick them,or they simply apologise !

  • Navin84 on July 13, 2011, 13:40 GMT

    Can someone plz tell me when is WI next International assignment and against which team?

  • on July 13, 2011, 11:57 GMT

    you guys should spend some time analysing the effects of leadership on performance, have you not noticed there are leaders in industry who elevate performance wherever they work. have you ever heard of team dynamics?

  • CandidIndian on July 13, 2011, 10:38 GMT

    Lennon Dave Bhagwandin-After those humiliating losses of your team against SA ,England ,India and Pakistan in world cup its not surprising that you found it boring.Losers always find the winners boring.You guys have lost last three series to India, two of them were played in WI,still you are happy that your team showed some fight ,LOL ,this shows the state of Cricket in WI these days, such a disgrace to legendary team of WI with so many greats.

  • ranpath on July 13, 2011, 9:08 GMT

    Let us reserve judgement on Kirk Edwards until he has had a string of good performances. As the article said Bharath scored a ton on debut as well, against the then no. 1 ( Australia) and look how he has struggled throughout this series. Edwards ususally sizzles for a while every time he "makes a comeback" and then starts to wane and then gets an injury that puts him out for long periods. Let's face it , Sammy was never one with credentials for being captain. He was only put there by default and the team is probably getting along by skill and maybe a bit of pride.

  • Phat-Boy on July 13, 2011, 7:22 GMT

    I will repeat, for the mass of people who seem incapable of understanding it.

    Darren Sammy averages 28 for his career, and 24 for the five test season just completed.

    End of argument.

  • Alexk400 on July 13, 2011, 3:56 GMT

    West Indies major problem is balance. With sammy they have to play 5 bowlers. But their batting is weak. if carlton baug or sammy start to play like test batsman , they can have 5th bowler. Bishoo is best bowler they got. They can't drop him. They need one more bowler. Sammy bowling containment role. Not enough to take wickets. If he bats well then it will be ok. If he do not bat well ...WI always be so close so near losses.

  • Alexk400 on July 13, 2011, 3:53 GMT

    Bishoo was better than all indian spinners

  • Majoreg on July 12, 2011, 21:14 GMT

    I agree with most of the comments here. The Windies team deserves a B+ for heart, determination and application showed between the 2nd innings of the 2nd test and the whole of the 3rd test. Lots of things are involved in these improved performances. The coach's insistence on picking only fit players. That showed in the bowlers ability to bowl long accurate spells in the 3rd test. WI was also missing Gayle a key factor since he was sure to perform well at some time in the series based on IPL form. The batting finally understood the demands of batting a session as well as for runs although the loss of clumps of wickets is still a worrying sign. With much of the future talent on display between 22 and 27 I believe Gibson's "give them exposure now" strategy bodes well for the future of West Indies cricket. The selectors now have a rare selection headache for the Bangladesh and India tours later on this year.

  • simonviller on July 12, 2011, 21:00 GMT

    Here we go again bashing those individuals whom we do not favour ,instead of encouraging them and wishing them well . Now Kirk Edwards joins Sammy as the criticised group . He has no talent ,he lacks technique ,doesn't play the short ball well etc: ,but what happened to the talented and technically sound players ? They couldn't cope with the conditions and they allowed the Indian pacers to dominate them with the shorter deliveries ,whereas Kirk Edwards challenged them with sucess only to be criticised for his style . He strikes me to be a quick learner , as he showed later in his innings and he will improve with time . If you folks want to talk about talent and technique ,you have to look a little further throughout the team ,even with some of the seasoned players .

  • jahrasta on July 12, 2011, 20:16 GMT

    Darren Sammy = best captain in the world, how else would he maintain a place on this side.....Baugh= best keeper in the world.. everything in this article seems based on the last match....which is nothing new for the WI team. They lost 1-0 to a second string Indian team....and the ODI's to a 3rd string.....

  • TeamSelector on July 12, 2011, 20:12 GMT

    Does anyone know the reason why Chanders bat so low down the order @ #5, instead of higher up @ #3 or #4 ??? I think the earlier he comes in, the more chances the other guys would get to bat around him & build a much bigger score. I think Baugh did enough to hold onto the gloves for quite a while. Sammy's a tricky situation ..... his bowling stats & captaincy seems to be quite good; but he is keeping out more talented guys like Russell & Roach from the team. Also, Gayle needs to stop clowning around & get back into the team ......... asap.

    1-Gayle, 2-Barath, 3-Kirk Edwards, 4-Chanders,5-Darren Bravo, 6-Samuels, 7-Baugh, 8-Russell, 9-Roach, 10-Fidel Edwards, 11-Benn or Bishoo

  • on July 12, 2011, 19:56 GMT

    Rain saved WI in the 3rd and 2nd test . Do not oversee that fact. If there had been no rain the article would have been lamenting a 3-0 loss.

  • wicricketlover on July 12, 2011, 19:42 GMT

    What I dont understand is everyone say that the chap that captains Trinidad and Tobago is the best captain in the caribbean, but his batting is what s keeping him out of the WI team. Then how the hell can non performing captain like Sammy retains a place in the team.

  • richard_cherry on July 12, 2011, 18:09 GMT

    Kirk Edwards is a major positive for west indies in this series, i believe he should be given more opportunities to prove his worth until Sarwan can ounce again prove his capabilities at the number 3 spot. Baugh, Sammuels and Bravo showed a bit of their class n determination but truly lacked consistency on more bowler friendly pitches which they will learn how to cope with when they play more test cricket. Shiv wasn't at his best this series bt in the 3rd innings of the last test match his patience showed why he has been one of west indies highest run getters. The bowlers were on cue this series with Fidel leading the charge. the west indian fans would have love a series win but with the support and content shown during the last match they seem quite satisfied with the effort the boys showed in the series. I can slowly feel the pride of cricket in the west indies rebuilding ounce again!

  • on July 12, 2011, 18:00 GMT

    Good article, captures the essence of the series. With the young order of Barath, Darren Bravo, Edwards, Simmons- add the experienced of Chanders, Gayle, Nash and Sarwan- and this is good batting lineup. The bowling has improved and Sammy can hold his head high as a performing bowling, although his batting needs improvement, captaincy and professionalism is there however. To the critics who complain, well its not our fault that India cannot perform like a number 1 test team and dominate opponents away from the sub continent on bouncy tracks. Thats their inadequacies, seems like they are still caught up on winning the most boring 50over world cup at home...

  • thegrownup on July 12, 2011, 16:58 GMT

    Too often in the past the way WI played, was like taking candy from a baby. NO guts no spine. It was like roll over and play dead. Over the last 2 series i saw some pride, some fight, some character. This however is not enough to win more that 1 or two games. More consistent performance will be needed. Gayle must come back as the opener and unless Sammy improves his batting his place cannot be assured. He is taking Russell's place right now and the batting was so uncertain that Russell's presence could have made a difference. The experience of Chanderpaul and Gayle teaching the talented youngsters patience is the mix that is needed right now.

  • javiso on July 12, 2011, 16:46 GMT

    I'd be the first to admit, I did not agree with K. Edwards' selection, but thankfully he proved me wrong. What was most impressive was the guts he showed by weathering the initial storm and settling in to bat long, though I am disappointed with his dismissal.....bad shot, and I hope he realizes he should have converted the 100 to 150 or even 200. Kudos to him nonetheless, and I sincerely hope he does not suffer the same fate as Dwayne Smith, and what looks to be afflicting Barath as well. These guys have to realize that oppostions work you out very quickly, so its incumbent on the individual to adjust in order to continue making runs. That Barath has not adjusted is a severe disappointment, and the same can be said of Bravo. I don't agree that Baugh "came through", as he was lucky, plain and simple....however, the lack of credible alternatives means he should keep his place and hopefully he will really "come through" soon.

  • squaddy on July 12, 2011, 16:39 GMT

    Lets be honest.. Edwards made a great knock and has some heart, Dwayne smith made a century against a strong South African bowling attack but where is he now.. I think W.I. have the worst selectors in world cricket.. Thats where the change needs to start from... We need a professional coach that an work with any player regardless of his attitude. if u follow world cricket u will see that most of the above n beyond players have problems with management and it has been that way for a while now.. I am only interested in seeing W.I. succeed i dont care what problem the coaches are having with the players, work it out so i can watch some good cricket

  • nafzak on July 12, 2011, 15:12 GMT

    Raj Sundararaman is unfortunately right. Were it not for rain, it would have been 3-0 in india's favour. The wickets were tailor made for bowlers, hence WI performance in this area is a bit deceiving. Let's not kid ourselves, after all, India were arguably without 3 of their best batsmen and 2 of their better bowlers, yet they were the only team that could have won all 3 matches. Sammy's ok with his bowling, but hardly a match winner and his batting (like Powell) is a good argument for not playing 20/20. Unfortunately he will always be seen as Hilaire and Hunte's captain. Outside of his home country, he would have a hard time getting any support. Gibson as a head coach don't have a clue. His has no inter-personal skills. I said it in the WC and that he (Gibson) is a terrible game day coach. He misread pitches and he has no idea (Pak series). A struggling Sarwan should have been dropped lower down the order and Shiv moved up. Gayle & Roach in and Sammy out is a 2/1 swap.

  • RaiseTheBar on July 12, 2011, 13:54 GMT

    Expect WI world ranking of of 1 - 3 within the next 2 to 5 years once the team continues to build around this current crop of players. Taking the bull by the horns by challenging the indiscipline now, the players have no excuse but to focus on getting their jobs done! Respectability for WI cricket must start with the players first. Once this more disciplined crop of players begin to win a few series, the WI crowds will follow on and support and become that 12th man on the field (like what we saw in Dominica). . .

  • CricketChat on July 12, 2011, 13:35 GMT

    WI team did a great job of giving Ind a run for their money. They also scuttled 0-5 (ODI) and 0-3 (Tests) predictions by many pundits. But for their weak batting display, there is hardly anything to choose between the two teams. If they can put up decent scores on the board, they are in with a chance against most oppositions.

  • on July 12, 2011, 9:45 GMT

    I am so proud of Windies and the fighting spirit they showed on the last 3 days of the test. You have to give a lot of credit to Sammy. He is a born leader and is worth his place for that. Darren Bravo has to mature and with the right guidance he will get there. Shiv is the master of stubborn, hard, dog- fighting spirit and it's great to see him back in triple figures. Edwards is all heart too and has a future. The WICB must please sort out the relationship with Gayle. I know he has opened his mouth more than he should have but it is time for him to give something to West Indies. He is a great opening bat and his off spin will be useful in Bangladesh and India later this year. WICB and Gayle must compromise and meet each other half-way. By saying "sorry" you show that you are more of a man than you appear to be.

  • on July 12, 2011, 8:16 GMT

    I think the scoreline of 1-0 is misleading and that is why it feels like WI have made progress. India should have won this series 3-0. In Barbados, WI were saved by rain and at Dominica, by some timid (lack of) leadership by Dhoni. Dhoni has been a wonderful captain but let us call a spade a spade. He showed no guts and as a result, WI got off with a 1-0 result. Not one WI batsman really impressed or showed consistency. Chanderpaul, despite his century is on his last legs. As for Kirk Edwards, one century does not make a summer. The bowling looked better but that is because the pitches aided the bowlers and they were bowling to inexprienced and tyro Indian batsmen. WI cricket is in the same rut as it has been for about 5 years now.

  • ste13 on July 12, 2011, 8:05 GMT

    Right comments below - indeed that is intelligence, which is the most important. But we rtegistered some fine individual performances too, which is promising.

  • on July 12, 2011, 6:17 GMT

    The future doesn't look as bleak as everyone reckons.The progress is steady. Dropping Sarwan n Nash was the right move,its time someone else is given an opportunity.If Edwards and Bravo can work on the promise they have shown, they will make a good middle order along with Shiv and Samuels.They have the temperament n patience,vital components often missing in Windies batsmen of late. But the key to windies doing well in the future is their opening pair.All said and done,they need Chris Gayle.Without his re-assuring presence,the pressure on the in-experienced no:s 3&4 is immense.Gayle's bowling also gives the option of picking an additional pacer in place of Bishoo on tracks like Barbados. The bowling attach has come up in leaps n bounds,esp Fidel. And to think they have reserves of the caliber of Roach,Russel and Taylor augurs well. The ideal test 11 - GAYLE,BARATH,K.EDWARDS,BRAVO,SHIV,SAMUELS,BOUGH,SAMMY,F.EDWARDS,RAMPAUL/TAYLOR and BISHOO (or ROACH/RUSSEL depending on pitch condition)

  • Alexei on July 12, 2011, 6:15 GMT

    What about Darren Bravo???

  • chicoguapo on July 12, 2011, 5:31 GMT

    West Indies have lots of talent, I dont doubt that...but talent is not a requirement in test cricket..you want to know what is? intelligence..kirk edwards doesnot have talent..but had enough sense to battle out and take what he gets...daren bravo has talent..but if he continues like this..he wouldnt get much chances in test cricket with the likes of kirk edwards around....Darren always throws his wicket...West Indian batsmen have to learn to mix talent with intelligence and patience..test cricket requieres that...not all pitches will allow you to play shorts....none of the indian batsmen got to play too much shots but the battled out...thinking first about giving their team an advantage and a secure position rather than extravagant shots and personal merits...we are on the way foward...but we have to eradicate these negatives quickly...

  • Fast_Track_Bully on July 12, 2011, 4:16 GMT

    Kirk Edwards is the real hero. Hope he will perform consistently.

  • gloriouscricket on July 12, 2011, 2:22 GMT

    Kirk Edwards was being written off even before he was given a chance in a test match ;one gets the feeling that his fighting 100 at the Meadow in Dominica in the just concluded 3RD. test is being taken lightly. He doesn,t have the pizazz of Bravo or Barath, but let me assure you they will be lots of runs coming in the future from his bat. Heis a fighter with a lot of character and class. He will partner Marlon Samuels on many occasion in the not too distant future.Bravo,Barath, Samuels Simmons & K Edwards will become a formidable force in Windies cricket.

  • US_Indian on July 12, 2011, 2:13 GMT

    Guys things are looking bright for WI at the moment, provided some sanity prevails to the board and the players as well, nobody is larger than the game itself, I foresee the return of WI to the top echoleons of cricket world. This current crop of players should be persisted with and rotated whenever necessary to include additonal players who are on the fringes and add new players coming through. Add Gayle,Sarwan,Simmons, Smith, Pollard and also stop relying on one or two players and unearth a suitable replacement of Shivnarain in the next couple of years because he is not going to play for ever and you need such a great fulcrum and shock absorber and rudder to manage the batting. Add Roach, Taylor, Benn, Russell to thw bowling. Baugh seems to be ok and look for some one like Derrick Murray or Jeff Dujon who can bat a bit and are clean behind the wickets. Add a few from the fringes and look to introduce new faces along the way, things are not as bleak as they seem to appear for WI.

  • on July 11, 2011, 22:47 GMT

    i'll always play fidel over roach, thats just my choice. WI are doing well, looks to me as if they are improving in some areas, SAmmy needs to look at how edwards played in the last game, made 30,gr8 knock by him,patients is key when playing test,thats y the likes of dravid and chanderpaul are just amazing to watch. atleast to me...WI have telented players,they all jsut need to focus on what their job is,they wont always take wickets or make runs,but put their whole hearts into it and the whole caribbean will be proud,win,lose or draw.....

  • on July 11, 2011, 21:38 GMT

    If Chris can resolve his issues and join Barath at the top things could prove to be interesting. Kirk Edwards will need to back up his 100 and Sarwan place will be in serious trouble. Darren Bravo has what it takes, he needs to keep his head down and focus in he middle. Chanders is good. Samuels is returning nicely, he needs to focus, Baugh as well. The bowlers are doing well to keep guys like Roach sidelined. Sammy really impressed with his leadership, he could could improve with the bat.

  • nat._ on July 11, 2011, 21:34 GMT

    If only Australia had shown the same comittment and heart during the ashes, we would have done better. It was the manner of the loss that was so terrible.

    To be a WI fan and see the way they played, you could only be proud of them. They were very impressive. These are good signs for world cricket.

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  • nat._ on July 11, 2011, 21:34 GMT

    If only Australia had shown the same comittment and heart during the ashes, we would have done better. It was the manner of the loss that was so terrible.

    To be a WI fan and see the way they played, you could only be proud of them. They were very impressive. These are good signs for world cricket.

  • on July 11, 2011, 21:38 GMT

    If Chris can resolve his issues and join Barath at the top things could prove to be interesting. Kirk Edwards will need to back up his 100 and Sarwan place will be in serious trouble. Darren Bravo has what it takes, he needs to keep his head down and focus in he middle. Chanders is good. Samuels is returning nicely, he needs to focus, Baugh as well. The bowlers are doing well to keep guys like Roach sidelined. Sammy really impressed with his leadership, he could could improve with the bat.

  • on July 11, 2011, 22:47 GMT

    i'll always play fidel over roach, thats just my choice. WI are doing well, looks to me as if they are improving in some areas, SAmmy needs to look at how edwards played in the last game, made 30,gr8 knock by him,patients is key when playing test,thats y the likes of dravid and chanderpaul are just amazing to watch. atleast to me...WI have telented players,they all jsut need to focus on what their job is,they wont always take wickets or make runs,but put their whole hearts into it and the whole caribbean will be proud,win,lose or draw.....

  • US_Indian on July 12, 2011, 2:13 GMT

    Guys things are looking bright for WI at the moment, provided some sanity prevails to the board and the players as well, nobody is larger than the game itself, I foresee the return of WI to the top echoleons of cricket world. This current crop of players should be persisted with and rotated whenever necessary to include additonal players who are on the fringes and add new players coming through. Add Gayle,Sarwan,Simmons, Smith, Pollard and also stop relying on one or two players and unearth a suitable replacement of Shivnarain in the next couple of years because he is not going to play for ever and you need such a great fulcrum and shock absorber and rudder to manage the batting. Add Roach, Taylor, Benn, Russell to thw bowling. Baugh seems to be ok and look for some one like Derrick Murray or Jeff Dujon who can bat a bit and are clean behind the wickets. Add a few from the fringes and look to introduce new faces along the way, things are not as bleak as they seem to appear for WI.

  • gloriouscricket on July 12, 2011, 2:22 GMT

    Kirk Edwards was being written off even before he was given a chance in a test match ;one gets the feeling that his fighting 100 at the Meadow in Dominica in the just concluded 3RD. test is being taken lightly. He doesn,t have the pizazz of Bravo or Barath, but let me assure you they will be lots of runs coming in the future from his bat. Heis a fighter with a lot of character and class. He will partner Marlon Samuels on many occasion in the not too distant future.Bravo,Barath, Samuels Simmons & K Edwards will become a formidable force in Windies cricket.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on July 12, 2011, 4:16 GMT

    Kirk Edwards is the real hero. Hope he will perform consistently.

  • chicoguapo on July 12, 2011, 5:31 GMT

    West Indies have lots of talent, I dont doubt that...but talent is not a requirement in test cricket..you want to know what is? intelligence..kirk edwards doesnot have talent..but had enough sense to battle out and take what he gets...daren bravo has talent..but if he continues like this..he wouldnt get much chances in test cricket with the likes of kirk edwards around....Darren always throws his wicket...West Indian batsmen have to learn to mix talent with intelligence and patience..test cricket requieres that...not all pitches will allow you to play shorts....none of the indian batsmen got to play too much shots but the battled out...thinking first about giving their team an advantage and a secure position rather than extravagant shots and personal merits...we are on the way foward...but we have to eradicate these negatives quickly...

  • Alexei on July 12, 2011, 6:15 GMT

    What about Darren Bravo???

  • on July 12, 2011, 6:17 GMT

    The future doesn't look as bleak as everyone reckons.The progress is steady. Dropping Sarwan n Nash was the right move,its time someone else is given an opportunity.If Edwards and Bravo can work on the promise they have shown, they will make a good middle order along with Shiv and Samuels.They have the temperament n patience,vital components often missing in Windies batsmen of late. But the key to windies doing well in the future is their opening pair.All said and done,they need Chris Gayle.Without his re-assuring presence,the pressure on the in-experienced no:s 3&4 is immense.Gayle's bowling also gives the option of picking an additional pacer in place of Bishoo on tracks like Barbados. The bowling attach has come up in leaps n bounds,esp Fidel. And to think they have reserves of the caliber of Roach,Russel and Taylor augurs well. The ideal test 11 - GAYLE,BARATH,K.EDWARDS,BRAVO,SHIV,SAMUELS,BOUGH,SAMMY,F.EDWARDS,RAMPAUL/TAYLOR and BISHOO (or ROACH/RUSSEL depending on pitch condition)

  • ste13 on July 12, 2011, 8:05 GMT

    Right comments below - indeed that is intelligence, which is the most important. But we rtegistered some fine individual performances too, which is promising.