West Indies v New Zealand, 2nd ODI, Kingston

Can battered New Zealand survive?

The Preview by Abhishek Purohit

July 6, 2012

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Match facts

Saturday, July 7
Start time 0930 (1430 GMT)

Chris Gayle attacked after a watchful start , West Indies v New Zealand, 1st Twenty20, Florida, June 30, 2012
New Zealand have to get Chris Gayle early © AFP

Big Picture

You haven't played together as a team for three months. Forget warm-up games, you arrive for a long tour in completely different conditions from home without even a camp for the entire squad. One of your best batsmen, also your first-choice wicketkeeper, who has already had a month's break, is "rested" for the limited-overs leg of the tour. After you get hammered in the Twenty20s, there emerge reports of his arriving sometime "midway" during the ODI series, but scarcely anyone has a clue when exactly he is expected to reach, while his side gets thrashed again in the first ODI.

Another of your top batsmen is trading blows in a boxing ring, an allrounder is busy playing domestic T20s in England, and to top it all, you have lost your regular captain to injury in the first match of the tour. Welcome to an ongoing demonstration on How Not To Approach A Cricket Tour, or New Zealand's tour of West Indies.

That they have managed to make fellow strugglers West Indies look like some dominating force says it all. It was expected that their batsmen would have no clue against Sunil Narine, but tackling slight swing and bounce was supposed to be no great task. Their batting has looked utterly incapable in Florida and in Jamaica so far. Ross Taylor is expected to be out for some time; Brendon McCullum is now expected to arrive on July 10*.

What can this tattered New Zealand side do to turn around what is quickly becoming a horror tour? For starters, they can pray for a halt to the injuries before they run out of 11 fit players.

West Indies must be overflowing with confidence. Albeit playing with one medium-pace allrounder too many, including the captain, they appear a powerful side in these conditions; wonder why they don't win more often. Can they find some consistency?

Form guide

West Indies WLLLW (completed games, most recent first)
New Zealand LLLLW

Watch out for...

New Zealand have to get Chris Gayle early. Three matches, three brutal fifties, three easy wins. At least that will ensure there is some sort of contest. At the moment, Gayle is just biffing straight sixes, without expression and with minimal follow-through.

The visitors have lacked the kind of starts Gayle has given West Indies. And have never recovered thereon. Martin Guptill has to somehow revive his Derbyshire form.

Team news

Barring injuries, West Indies should stick to the same XI which won by nine wickets on Thursday.

West Indies: (possible) 1 Lendl Simmons, 2 Chris Gayle, 3 Dwayne Smith, 4 Marlon Samuels, 5 Dwayne Bravo, 6 Kieron Pollard, 7 Andre Russell, 8 Darren Sammy (capt), 9 Denesh Ramdin (wk), 10 Ravi Rampaul, 11 Sunil Narine

Andrew Ellis joined the injury list in the first ODI. New Zealand have Doug Bracewell and Trent Boult available. It was an interesting decision to play legspinner Tarun Nethula ahead of the experienced offspinner Nathan McCullum on Thursday. Probably it was influenced by the fact that West Indies have only left-hander, Gayle, in the top nine. At least New Zealand have a few bowling options left. Wicketkeeper Tom Latham is the only batting replacement available in the squad, but last heard, he had cut his eye during training. If this wasn't actually happening, it would be tragi-comic.

New Zealand: (possible) 1 Rob Nicol, 2 Martin Guptill, 3 Daniel Flynn, 4 Kane Williamson (capt), 5 Dean Brownlie, 6 BJ Watling (wk), 7 Jacob Oram, 8 Tim Southee, 9 Nathan McCullum/Doug Bracewell, 10 Tarun Nethula 11 Kyle Mills

Stats and trivia

  • New Zealand's nine-wicket loss in the first ODI was their heaviest defeat against West Indies (in terms of wickets) since January 1995
  • In 64 ODI innings, Dwayne Smith has batted all the way from the opening position to No. 9, barring No. 4.


    "We're not high in confidence at all and they are, so that's probably hurting us. We need to find it in the next game or two, otherwise the series will be gone before we even know it."
    BJ Watling, New Zealand's top-scorer in the first ODI, reveals their state of mind

    July 7, 2012, 06:20 GMT - The preview has been updated with Brendon McCullum's expected date of arrival in the Caribbean

Abhishek Purohit is an editorial assistant at ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (July 7, 2012, 16:57 GMT)

And all I focus on in the scorecard is Lendl Simmons opening once again... WHY? Just don't get it, WI! Why!?

Posted by vivek_khyati on (July 7, 2012, 9:39 GMT)

how can players survive the complete IPL and get injured while performing for national side???

Posted by jamieda on (July 7, 2012, 7:27 GMT)

The issue with NZ is not with the quality of their players but the administrators for allowing them to 1) undertake tours such as this, and b) allowing the players to dictate when and where they will play. NZ also put way too much emphasis on the comps coming up which is why James Franklin is still in England playing T20. With all due respect, the core of this team is still the one that beat Aus and the end of last year and pushed SA at home over the summer. Continually playing lower tier countries is a nonsence - NZ have never lost a test to either Bang or Zim though granted they did lose 4-0 to Bang in ODIs the last time they toured there. Remember, NZ recently battered Zim over the past summer here. Some also need to give it away (Oram is a broken man and can't stay on the pitch for a game let alone a series). Lastly, 2 test series do no one any good yet that is all NZ play now. Top tier, properly organised and prepared tours against the top teams is the answer here.

Posted by ForgeNZ on (July 7, 2012, 7:20 GMT)

Its been a tour of shambles really . Straight out of winter , no warmup matches , no pre team perperations. Oram in the side is rediculas. Neil Wagner not being there is stupid. Buchanan and Lawn Bowls man should be no where near the side. We had a great coach in Wrighty. Justin Vaughn is a twit of the highest order. No idea what he was thinking when bringing in Buchanan. Even Warny didnt lile Buchanan. NZ team has gone backwards since that historic win against Aus in Hobart. I dont think NZ will win a match. Bad time to be a Kiwi.

Posted by   on (July 7, 2012, 6:38 GMT)

It's simple: New Zealand don't play enough cricket. What was going on during the summer in NZ? You look at the top teams in world cricket right now and you see teams who are playing often in the international arena. Now is the time for the ICC to allow lower tier international teams to play the bottom 4 in the premier tier. Imagine if NZ were playing Ireland, the Netherlands, Namibia? No offense to Kiwis, but these would likely be a whole lot more competitive than many may think. This would allow these teams to test themselves against a top tier team while giving NZ players the practice they clearly so desperately need. NZ is sadly becoming a joke in world cricket and something needs to change. What happened to the team who used to punch above its weight? Instead they have a decent-ish player in Ryder literally punching while overweight.

Posted by lankan_style on (July 7, 2012, 6:10 GMT)

Seriously Windiess fans need to realize that they will never get satisfied! I mean when Windies looses a match, they question Sammy's captaincy! When they do win still people are questioning Sammy's captaincy. Well GAYLE had gone through a groin injury and it would be a risk to bowl him. Don't you want to save him for the upcoming worldcup? And as for Dwayne Smith he got his batting together now, let him focus on that. Can you guys please enjoy the moment while it last? To be honest what we ( I am a diehard west indian fan) need is some consistency!

Posted by   on (July 7, 2012, 4:01 GMT)

i donot think so that wi side is not bad at all.looking at the side they are very balanse side.in bowling department they have so many options. many allrounders some parttimers. chris,smith.simons,bravo,marlon,pollard,russel,sammy all capble of bowling and batting.they can beat any team. and they should find another one to help narnie.and give roach many chanses will male him one of best fastest bowler and best bowler in modern era.in batting line up the problem is lack of consistancy.they should make their minds for that.and they should find another 2or3 striking fast bowlers.then they can try many strategies.for the best they will find the best.i donot think that tino best should play any longer for wi. one or two matches cannot prove that he is a good player.all the best windis from srilankan cricket fan

Posted by braindead_rocker on (July 7, 2012, 3:09 GMT)

@regulator....Gayle and Dwayne Bravo were not playing against England....

Posted by beejaytee on (July 7, 2012, 2:46 GMT)

The tone of some of these comments is pretty funny. There is no crisis here, just an example of poor planning. The early results were always likely to look like this. NZ coming off a break, without B. McCullum, while WI have been playing AUS & ENG, and have recently regained Gayle. If it wasn't 2-0, 1-0 right now, WI would have some tough questions to answer. That said, NZ need a better showing from here in, starting with getting Gayle out early. Might as well let Wagner or Boult have a go in tandem with Mills, who looks to be bowling well. Batting remains.... an issue. Guptill & Williamson are obviously key. N McCullum should play the next match, should have played the last.

Posted by bajanrod on (July 7, 2012, 2:42 GMT)

Funny when the Windies getting beat(injuries or otherwise) all and sundry rejoice. Now we've won a few games and it's excuses excuses for NZ....smh.

Posted by   on (July 7, 2012, 2:14 GMT)

Money talks!! Are the NZC contracts up to scratch? New Zealander living in Australia I see how the Aussie board look after their cricketers. Not since the 1980's have the people in NZ got behind the cricket stars. A lot of self interest from stars of today also. Associate member I agree, they may even struggle against the likes of Ireland, Afghanistan and the Dutch. Maybe the bottom 4 nations of the top tier need a wake up call and qualify for all international tournaments!! See how many would MAKE IT!

Posted by corzaNZ on (July 7, 2012, 1:54 GMT)

hoping NZ does better or gonna be last ODI i watch until the test series

Posted by corzaNZ on (July 7, 2012, 1:47 GMT)

This is the perfect time for the experienced players like guptill oram and southee to step up and take control but to many times they fail! especially oram.. his batting has dropped off and hes picked as a bowler now but he gives away far too many runs. mills is the only one who can keep it tight he needs others to help!!!

Posted by   on (July 7, 2012, 1:11 GMT)

I hope the blackcaps steal at least 1 game. I predict 4-1

If you do a player to player comparison NZ would still be better than Zim/BD, the results just wouldn't be as 1 sided

Posted by   on (July 7, 2012, 1:06 GMT)

Seems like alot of people have serious doubts about NZC and there approach. There definitely aiming for as close to a full strength team as they can for the tests and i guess Jimmy Franklin is being groomed to feature in the WT20.

Posted by Aleckto on (July 7, 2012, 1:01 GMT)

What NZC are trying to do is look ahead to the tests and the WT20. I think its not always a great idea to always be looking to the future i think we should be looking to our results right now! Having a fit McCullum, Taylor, Vettori, Martin, Franklin & Ryder puts a whole new spin on the team. So i guess with that in mind there using this ODI series to blood new players and keep Franklin/McCullum fit for the WT20.

This NZ side is definitely weaker than it has been in a long time but i think wed still beat Zimbabwe, just maybe not bowl them out twice in one day.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (July 7, 2012, 0:48 GMT)

I also find it stupid that not 1 all out pace bowler is in this side what is going on just medium pacers ? I know Roach is injured but I'd love to see Best and Edwards steaming in at this unconfident inexperienced NZ 11, especially on this Jamaica track that like Barbados seems to be the only W.I pitch these days that has some pace in it.

Posted by 512fm on (July 7, 2012, 0:45 GMT)

This team is a disgrace to our country, still no one can figure out why McCullum is not playing. The Windies players have been playing non stop the past 2 months and they don't get a rest. Watlings quote pretty much sums it all up, I mean why would you come out and say we have no confidence? Even if that is the case, don't let the public know that. I would be extremely surprised if we walk away with a win on this tour.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (July 7, 2012, 0:44 GMT)

The only change that needs to be made is SMITH opening with Gayle and that becoming a permanent fixture so they can get used to opening together Simmons doesn't cut d mustard opening.

Posted by   on (July 6, 2012, 23:57 GMT)

We dismiss NZ for under 200 and someone wants to know why Sammy is not bowling Smith and Gayle. Shaking my head.

Posted by Regulator on (July 6, 2012, 23:39 GMT)

@braindead_rocker. It is the same side that faced England.

Posted by PierreCheuk on (July 6, 2012, 23:30 GMT)

This article hits the nail right on the head. What was NZC thinking? Who is responsible in N Z for these omissions. NZC's failure to send a properly prepared national squad to W I is a shameful embarassment. It surely cannot be the lame excuse of lack of funding. Poor John Wright. Top Associate cricket countries prepare better for tournaments or series than N Z for this tour. Perhaps that is where N Z Cricket is headed. Associate level. While injuries have not helped the tourists Ireland or the Afghans would arguably have performed better than N Z have v W I to date.

Posted by   on (July 6, 2012, 23:30 GMT)

It's amazing how uncomfortable everybody is with the idea of WI hammering a full member top 8 nation.

Posted by mancricbd on (July 6, 2012, 23:00 GMT)

Can any1 tell me why darren sammy d0esnt let dawyne smith to bowl at all. He is much better bowler than bgrav0 and P0llard. Als0 we want to see gayle bowls as well. Sammy needs t0 Pht his act togather.

Posted by jamieda on (July 6, 2012, 22:02 GMT)

NZ are on a hiding to nothing. No other country in the world 1) comes out of their winter straight into an international series, and 2) leaves their best players at home, or the IPL, or on holiday, or somewhere other than playing for their country. Until NZC grow some and TELL countries "um, no we are not going to be your cannon fodder by disadvantaging ourselves by agreeing to your timetable when you have come off series against Australia and England", this is going to continue to happen. Next year will be the same - NZ are touring England in May when their best are playing the IPL. McCullum, Vettori, Taylor et al will arrive in England a day or two before the test and play on a green seamer (common in England in May) when they have been playing on wickets resembling roads in India. I think the result will be obvious. Disregard the injuries etc that have occurred - they are the result of no cricket. This is all due to the administrators of the game - both the ICC and NZC.

Posted by mancricbd on (July 6, 2012, 21:55 GMT)

being h0nest this is t00 mhch 0f a 0ne sided game and f0r cricket fan its n0t s0mething we want t0 see.

Posted by   on (July 6, 2012, 21:19 GMT)

I feel sorry for New Zealand, but to be honest, this is exactly what West Indies just went through in England with the absence of Gayle, Smith, Bravo, Chanderpaul, Roach, Sarwan and several other key players.Why are Kiwis playing domestic T20's in England instead of for their county? Either some serious scheduling needs to come into play, or there should be rules governing international players in domestic tournaments to limit the schedule conflicts.

Posted by Adam_from_Maine on (July 6, 2012, 21:13 GMT)

Couldn't resist a little dig at D. Sammy, hmm? And if the Kiwis take your advice and do get Chris Gayle out early, who do you think is going to come in and pull the cheese out of the wind with yet another imprudent and technically primative captain's knock? Better too many medium-pace allrounders than a bunch of batsmen who can't bat.

Posted by NAZMO-CRICKFANN on (July 6, 2012, 21:01 GMT)


Posted by braindead_rocker on (July 6, 2012, 20:46 GMT)

I wish Windies win 5-0..They need the confidence..Right now windies team is looking very formidable..I wonder what would have happened had this team faced England?

Posted by EnglishCricket on (July 6, 2012, 20:39 GMT)

New Zealand only have themselves a blame and deserve to lose to not just because of them performing badly but also not selecting their star players and instead resting them and this clearly shows that they underestimated the West Indies. I don't get the point of why the New Zealand management rested the likes of McCullum, Vettori etc because I know they played in IPL but so did Gayle, Smith etc and they are still playing in this series and if I can recall these New Zealand players unlike the West Indies players, didn't play every game in the IPL so New Zealand are clearly having some issues and the last time they played before this series was over 3 months ago against South Africa plenty of time for valuable rest and regrouping.

Posted by SNIFFLEATHER on (July 6, 2012, 20:02 GMT)

The tourists are having some early tour problems, but I'm sure that these matches won't remain as one-sided as the first few games have been thus far. Having said that, as a Windies fan I must revel in the dominance they have shown so far. Sure, the Kiwis have some issues, both on and off the field, but the West Indies will take any slight advantage offered right now. Morale boosting victories are most welcome on the back of a difficult stint in the rain and cold of the early English "summer". Keep the intensity and maintain focus guys, and the season could end very nicely indeed.

Posted by   on (July 6, 2012, 19:45 GMT)

If you do a player to player comparison, Zimbabwe looks much a better side than this NZ side. Its a shame than an international side is so sub-standard.

Posted by playitstraight on (July 6, 2012, 19:35 GMT)

New Zealand may as well call off this series immediately. They have absolutely no chance whatsoever, with their current squad. To be honest, their bowling and batting is very weak. WI are looking to dominate and win the series, not something you usually see. My predicition is WI 5-0 with Gayle starring in all five matches and becoming man-of-the-series. As Watling said, WI are high on confidence and NZ are not at all. Psychologically, that is the difference between these two teams.

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