West Indies v New Zealand, 1st Test, Kingston, 4th day June 11, 2014

Batting was 'bitterly disappointing' - Gibson

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Coach Gibson hits out at WI batting

Ottis Gibson, the West Indies coach, pinned the responsibility for the 186-run defeat to New Zealand in the Kingston Test on the side's batsmen, saying the performances in the two innings on a flat track were "bitterly disappointing".

West Indies made 262 and 216 in the game and only two top-order batsmen made fifties. The home side conceded a lead of 246 in the first innings and Gibson pointed out that the first-innings failure was a key factor in the loss.

"Obviously, [I'm] very disappointed with the way we batted especially," Gibson said. "By all accounts, after the first day's play, we agreed in the dressing room afterwards that it was a flat pitch, so to have a batting performance like that over two innings is bitterly disappointing and something that we need to put right as quickly as possible.

"They have just go to occupy the crease and look at New Zealand, the way they went about it - making runs, starts, getting yourself in first, assessing the conditions, assessing the bowlers, scoring areas. We had five batsmen over two innings in our top six who made ducks and that puts your batting under pressure.

"First-innings runs have always been important. Any team that's going to win Test matches needs big first-innings runs. New Zealand showed that in the first innings, getting 500, and we didn't really respond. We needed to respond with a 450 or 500 score and take some more time and overs out of the game. We didn't do that. To get bowled out on that pitch in the second innings in 48 overs is very, very disappointing."

While the batting was a let-down, Gibson said he was pleased with the efforts of the front-line bowlers, who had all come into the match after significant time away from international cricket. Jerome Taylor and Kemar Roach were battling injuries, while Shane Shillingford played his first Test since his suspension due to an illegal bowling action.

"I thought the bowlers worked really hard. We went in with only two fast bowlers and two world-class spinners," Gibson said. "When you look at workloads, I thought Jerome Taylor playing in his first Test after such a long time, stood up to that task very well and got better as the Test match went on. Kemar Roach, also, after a long layoff from injury and his shoulder surgery, got better as the Test match went on and bowled really well in the second innings as well.

"Taylor swung the new ball nicely and when he came back with the old ball, he was skillful and picked up wickets. Hopefully, he'll be fit and get through this Test series and, going forward, make us a stronger unit by being in the bowling attack."

While Shillingford finished with a match haul of 5 for 184, he had an impressive showing with the bat, slamming the second fastest Test fifty. Shillingford struck three fours and five sixes to bring up his fifty in 25 balls and, along with Sulieman Benn, nearly stretched the game into the fifth day.

"Growing up, I never used to be a bowler. I used to be a No. 3 batsman, playing under-19s, under-13s," Shillingford said. "The technique and all is still there, the way I like to strike the ball. My strength is to hit the ball straight. A lot of coaches, in terms of different teams, they see me bat and always tell me I will get runs. Even the Windward coach tells me that. So I am doing some work in the nets along with the assistant coach and staff on batting, and I'm glad it paid off today."

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  • on June 14, 2014, 18:24 GMT

    Mr Gibson has failed to recognize that he is the one most responsible for the team's performance . He should take a look at the epl and see who is the one to go first. Berating your players in public is unacceptable. He is responsible for their presence on the team? If this is not the case, then he should aim his annoyance at the selectors, etc

  • tutorial on June 14, 2014, 13:35 GMT

    Putting a 40 year old Chanderpaul to bat at #3 is no solution, odds are it will have the opposite affect and the team will find it self struggling to make triple digits, currently he is doing great, and every player selected should be expected to carry his own weight.

  • on June 14, 2014, 1:55 GMT

    time for samuel,edwards little bravo be remove from the side bring on some new talent like blackwood,the guy is scoring runs why not give him a chance also carlos brathwaite should also get in there as the allrounder.west indies batting is so fragile these guys cant even bat out a full day.time for radical change.

  • on June 13, 2014, 23:19 GMT

    For all those that talking about age and to young.look if they are good enough and can make the cut.put them in I say.Drop chris gayle or move him down the order.Marlon one more game and if no result . drop him.the batting order needs a shake up.

  • on June 13, 2014, 22:55 GMT

    not having a lot of first class experience didn't stop valentine and ramadin from being called up to the English test did it? what the opposition don't know could hurt them and u all know the quality of first class cricket in the west indies. get these guys in and let them learn what is the standard that they must get to. And people leave chanders alone.. he should not have to protect his fellow professional international players

  • VivGilchrist on June 13, 2014, 21:30 GMT

    We've all said it. Chanderpaul has to bat higher. The young guys need to bat lower. A new guy coming into the team should be batting 5 or 6, not the pivotal top order positions. Powell is class but being thrust to face the new ball early in his career may ruin him. If Blackwood comes in where will they put him? Probably the pressure of 3 or 4, while Chanders and Samuels get shielded. Chanderpaul is a great player but can he do what's best for the team?

  • delboy on June 13, 2014, 20:39 GMT

    Gibson is a confused man, just listen to his interview "Having Shoulder on his surgery..." I hope this isn't the manner in which he delivers directions to the players because the indecision and confusion shows in them not knowing when to commit. It may be just a coincidence but the longer players are around this coaching setup the worst their performances are. Monitor Taylor, Shillingford and Benn carefully for their performances to become that of Samuels, Powell and Bravo. I expect Samuels playing on his home ground to have a better command of his domain over everyone else except Taylor since Gayle is not that fortunate to play many domestic games these days. Those who pay attention to the armchair expert will consider dropping Samuels purely on the strength of him bagging a pair; the best of us cricketers are susceptible; it happens. Samuel's omission should be a result of him being out of form. If there is someone who can do better, then Samuels is out if no chance for redemption.

  • aclarity on June 13, 2014, 20:21 GMT

    Folks you cannot compare T20 cricket with test cricket. A much better comparison is FC cricket. Simmonds failed miserably in FC cricket this year. Are you replacing one poor performer by another? In the past WI was not afraid to be decisive. Weekes replace Headley. Kallicharran and Rowe were picked together when we were looking for one batsman. Haynes was picked after one good season. We need to get rid of Gayle, Samuels, Powell, Edwards and Bravo. Let the latter three sit and watch a while. Who was the best pace bowler on the Trinidad pitch this year. You guessed it, Matthew. Pick him! The only positive in keeping this old side is that Gibson would be kept away from the youngsters.

  • JoshFromJamRock on June 13, 2014, 16:59 GMT

    I think we need to look the order a little differently. A problem with the WI order is that the more senior batsmen "hide" down the order only for the younger guys to be destroyed by the new ball.

    The great teams of the past had two genuine openers (good players of swing) followed by the two of the better experienced batsmen then two younger players who were early in their careers.

    By this logic a suggested lineup for WI could be like this:

    1)Powell 2)Brathwaite 3)Chanderpaul 4)Gayle 5)Lil Bravo 6)Blackwood 7)Ramdin 8)Roach 9)Taylor 10)Holder 11)Narine

    The "5th bowler" is missing but for now Gayle can be a second spinner on seaming wickets as long as his back holds up. Benn preferably or Benn can come in for Holder on turning wickets but not until WI locate a good seam bowling allrounder to support Roach and Taylor. I'm not a fan of Gayle opening these days so a technically sound opener who can bowl (preferably seam at 75 mph+) would definitely help.

  • FOUR-REAL-QUICKS on June 13, 2014, 16:29 GMT

    Good point regarding the atmosphere tutorial...but I fear he may be waiting a long time if we don't sort ourselves out fast...

  • on June 14, 2014, 18:24 GMT

    Mr Gibson has failed to recognize that he is the one most responsible for the team's performance . He should take a look at the epl and see who is the one to go first. Berating your players in public is unacceptable. He is responsible for their presence on the team? If this is not the case, then he should aim his annoyance at the selectors, etc

  • tutorial on June 14, 2014, 13:35 GMT

    Putting a 40 year old Chanderpaul to bat at #3 is no solution, odds are it will have the opposite affect and the team will find it self struggling to make triple digits, currently he is doing great, and every player selected should be expected to carry his own weight.

  • on June 14, 2014, 1:55 GMT

    time for samuel,edwards little bravo be remove from the side bring on some new talent like blackwood,the guy is scoring runs why not give him a chance also carlos brathwaite should also get in there as the allrounder.west indies batting is so fragile these guys cant even bat out a full day.time for radical change.

  • on June 13, 2014, 23:19 GMT

    For all those that talking about age and to young.look if they are good enough and can make the cut.put them in I say.Drop chris gayle or move him down the order.Marlon one more game and if no result . drop him.the batting order needs a shake up.

  • on June 13, 2014, 22:55 GMT

    not having a lot of first class experience didn't stop valentine and ramadin from being called up to the English test did it? what the opposition don't know could hurt them and u all know the quality of first class cricket in the west indies. get these guys in and let them learn what is the standard that they must get to. And people leave chanders alone.. he should not have to protect his fellow professional international players

  • VivGilchrist on June 13, 2014, 21:30 GMT

    We've all said it. Chanderpaul has to bat higher. The young guys need to bat lower. A new guy coming into the team should be batting 5 or 6, not the pivotal top order positions. Powell is class but being thrust to face the new ball early in his career may ruin him. If Blackwood comes in where will they put him? Probably the pressure of 3 or 4, while Chanders and Samuels get shielded. Chanderpaul is a great player but can he do what's best for the team?

  • delboy on June 13, 2014, 20:39 GMT

    Gibson is a confused man, just listen to his interview "Having Shoulder on his surgery..." I hope this isn't the manner in which he delivers directions to the players because the indecision and confusion shows in them not knowing when to commit. It may be just a coincidence but the longer players are around this coaching setup the worst their performances are. Monitor Taylor, Shillingford and Benn carefully for their performances to become that of Samuels, Powell and Bravo. I expect Samuels playing on his home ground to have a better command of his domain over everyone else except Taylor since Gayle is not that fortunate to play many domestic games these days. Those who pay attention to the armchair expert will consider dropping Samuels purely on the strength of him bagging a pair; the best of us cricketers are susceptible; it happens. Samuel's omission should be a result of him being out of form. If there is someone who can do better, then Samuels is out if no chance for redemption.

  • aclarity on June 13, 2014, 20:21 GMT

    Folks you cannot compare T20 cricket with test cricket. A much better comparison is FC cricket. Simmonds failed miserably in FC cricket this year. Are you replacing one poor performer by another? In the past WI was not afraid to be decisive. Weekes replace Headley. Kallicharran and Rowe were picked together when we were looking for one batsman. Haynes was picked after one good season. We need to get rid of Gayle, Samuels, Powell, Edwards and Bravo. Let the latter three sit and watch a while. Who was the best pace bowler on the Trinidad pitch this year. You guessed it, Matthew. Pick him! The only positive in keeping this old side is that Gibson would be kept away from the youngsters.

  • JoshFromJamRock on June 13, 2014, 16:59 GMT

    I think we need to look the order a little differently. A problem with the WI order is that the more senior batsmen "hide" down the order only for the younger guys to be destroyed by the new ball.

    The great teams of the past had two genuine openers (good players of swing) followed by the two of the better experienced batsmen then two younger players who were early in their careers.

    By this logic a suggested lineup for WI could be like this:

    1)Powell 2)Brathwaite 3)Chanderpaul 4)Gayle 5)Lil Bravo 6)Blackwood 7)Ramdin 8)Roach 9)Taylor 10)Holder 11)Narine

    The "5th bowler" is missing but for now Gayle can be a second spinner on seaming wickets as long as his back holds up. Benn preferably or Benn can come in for Holder on turning wickets but not until WI locate a good seam bowling allrounder to support Roach and Taylor. I'm not a fan of Gayle opening these days so a technically sound opener who can bowl (preferably seam at 75 mph+) would definitely help.

  • FOUR-REAL-QUICKS on June 13, 2014, 16:29 GMT

    Good point regarding the atmosphere tutorial...but I fear he may be waiting a long time if we don't sort ourselves out fast...

  • tutorial on June 13, 2014, 14:55 GMT

    Four real quicks, I was thinking of going about it this way, put Simmons to open the batting with Gayle, Blackwood should replace Samuels, but you have to put him in the team after a win, or the aura around him will eventually ruin him.

  • FOUR-REAL-QUICKS on June 13, 2014, 10:07 GMT

    Another advantage of trying Blackwood over Simmons, for example, would be that he has just scored big runs against international players - the Bangladesh A side is full of guys with test experience. Simmons has been whacking away in T20 - we don't need any more of that.

  • FOUR-REAL-QUICKS on June 13, 2014, 10:04 GMT

    tutorial, I understand your reasoning. However, "if you are good enough, you are old enough" also rings true. Let us not forget that many greats started very early. I am stating that Blackwood is destined for lofty heights...but if you don't give the talented youth a chance, the alternative is what? Go back to tried and failed 30 somethings...? No, Blackwood should be given a chance. I'd select him for the remainder of the series. And scoring 3 centuries and six 50's in his first 16 first class matches is reason enough for a good look at the boy, averaging over 40 too by the way.

  • VivGilchrist on June 13, 2014, 7:33 GMT

    Samuels looks the most vulnerable, but his replacement depends on what bowling make up WI wish to go with. A balanced attack for Trinidad is 3 seamers and 2 spinners. The make up should either be 3 frontline seamers/1 frontline spinner/1 spinning allrounder, or 2 frontline quicks, 2 frontline spinners, 1 seam bowling allrounder. Therefore option 1 = Taylor and Roach, Holder + Miller + Deonarine. Option 2 = Taylor and Roach, Miller + Shillingford + Bravo/Pollard.

  • JermanSoldier on June 13, 2014, 5:31 GMT

    Looking forward to the second test now.. Possible and sensible changes are: play Brathwaite for samuals, Narine for Benn. Promote Chanderpaul to number 3, whether he likes it or not.. This is all that can be done. Lets hope the captain and coach does these changes and den hope for the best....

  • on June 13, 2014, 4:37 GMT

    West Indies players have continued to be inconsistent because they consistently fail to use their feet and play basic cricket. Tactically the order was right but we need Brathwaite back in this team to bat long innings. If we continue to play 2 spinners and two fast bowlers then 6 and 7 have to be capable of scoring 50s, would suggest a fit Bravo, Pollard, Dwayne Smith, or Carlos Brathwaite, Jonathan Carter as genuine options. Personally would give Pollard the opportunity if he fails Brathwaite. WILD OPTION, Gayle, K. Brathwaite, K.Edwards, D. Bravo, S.Chanderpaul 6,C.Brathwaite, Ramdin 7, Taylor 8, Shillingford, Benn & Narine We do have world class spinners

  • tutorial on June 12, 2014, 23:26 GMT

    One more thing!! Bishop's biases against certain type of players is starting to SPILL out in his commentary, noticed by those who pay attention.

  • tutorial on June 12, 2014, 23:19 GMT

    People calling for Blackwood, he is only 21 plus years and needs to play more FIRST CLASS cricket, or he is going to be ruined like the rest before him. Take Craig for example, he is 27 plus years and NOW DEBUTING. Test cricket needs maturity, its not t20 cricket,players should at least be 25 years old to make the test team, except for a few that come around once every ten years. So its either go back to the seniors or ruin the youngsters. WI.should play the seniors and mold,teach,guide and let the youngsters in the team one at a time. Plenty of regional cricket is the answer.

  • on June 12, 2014, 21:04 GMT

    Everyone keeps talking about how badly WI played, maybe we should look at how well NZ played and are playing. An extremely young team on the rise who are learning to win in all conditions. Give credit where credit is due NZ were the better team by a long shot.

  • on June 12, 2014, 20:38 GMT

    I see a lot of WI supporters bashing their own team here, selectors and coach. Very little acknowledgment that NZ is becoming a very good side. We just had our best summer at home ever and now beginning to win away from home. Southee and Boult are now world class bowlers and they are still young. We have two allrounders that are the envy of any side, and a middle order that is starting to capitalise on its talent. A couple of years ago we would not have been able to afford to players like Ryder and Bracewell but we niw have enough talent to select on character as well as form. Another opener would ne nice too. As a long time NZ supporter it's great to see a culture of scoring hundreds developing. Two huge partnerships led to that first innings score which is becoming more common for this Black Caps team. Great to ser.

  • mus_tard on June 12, 2014, 18:14 GMT

    @FOUR-REAL-QUICKS- You posted the exact same XI that I have been wanting since Blackwood hit his tremendous form. That XI will be able to beat this NZ team and even compete with most other teams. But as stated by various people, everything starts with the management, pitches, and quality of domestic tournaments.

  • cricuscrazy on June 12, 2014, 16:55 GMT

    It is not just issue with patience amongst the current lot for the longer version of the game.They are also technically deficient.Both bowlers and batsmen.NZ are an improved side.The skills of the bowlers- Southee and Boult has improved a lot in the last year or so.When the Windies bowlers bowl,one can hardly see and swing or movement.The Kiwi batters are also improving led by Mcullum.Unfortunately on the West Indies side,they have not shown much improvement.I mean players like Powelll,Kirk Edwards,Gayle keep making the same mistakes over and over again..I think it is time to hire a Rahul Dravid kind of player as coach.Someone who has proven himself over and over again in the longer format.On the bowling side some one like Allan Donald or a Jason Gillespie should be hired.

  • Frayninho21 on June 12, 2014, 16:53 GMT

    Another set of ghastly, predictable batting displays by the West Indies. Pretty much the same batting line-up that failed in New Zealand failed again in Jamaica. I really think it's high time the selectors looked to regenerate the batting side of things. Chris Gayle is clearly not fit and needs time off to sort himself out. I still think he has a lot to offer the West Indies in all formats but not in his current state. Kieron Powell has potential and is worth persevering with. Kirk Edwards does not have the technique to bat at 3 in tests. Darren Bravo is a special talent but is out of form. Chanderpaul is Chanderpaul. Brilliant, consistent and a wonderful test player but, in this team, he bats too low at number 5. Marlon Samuels has had his day unfortunately and should be dropped. My team for the 2nd and 3rd tests would be: K Brathwaite, Powell, DM Bravo, Chanderpaul, Jermaine Blackwood, Jonathan Carter, Ramdin, Roach, Taylor, Shillingford, Narine (Benn if the selectors won't budge)

  • TAJY on June 12, 2014, 16:11 GMT

    Players are getting chances left right and center. And they still fail most the time. Barath started good in his career, lost form, got dropped. Same thing with Kirk Edwards, good start to career, had a miserable England tour, dropped. He's back again. Darren Bravo has produced some huge innings, hence his average. But he's not consistent. Woe unto us! Everybody says the same thing eg. "Drop them! Bring back Sarwan! Bring back Brathwaite!" and so on, only for those players to fail again. I can say this, when Sarwan was in his pomp he was much more consistent than these young batsmen today. But the last time he played for WI he made a few ducks. Only Chanderpaul has stood throughout the chaos. Gayle is actually the second most consistent batsman we have, and he's 'hit or miss' due to his technique. Samuels has had one good year of cricket in his international career (2012). I'll say this, Don't be quick to drop these young batsmen. Let them play out the series and gain experience

  • TAJY on June 12, 2014, 15:54 GMT

    West Indies got destroyed yet again in this Test, however I did see a few positive things. I've always wanted the pairing of Roach and Jerome Taylor and I was pleased to see them finally fit and playing. Taylor especially bowled very well. Ramdin has improved his batting the past few years, which is good. Now the negative things. Samuels has been AWFUL in all formats since he injured his eye in the Big Bash early last year. He had such a good 2012, won us a World T20 title too. Since then, nothing. I wonder if something is wrong with his eye still. Its really baffling. Its sad that the future of our batting (Powell, Darren Bravo, Edwards) did so poorly in this test. They have each earned their spot and its frustrating when they fail in both innings. These are the best players that WI have at the moment. Sure you can drop them and bring other fringe players (K Brathwaite, Rampaul, Barath, Simmons) but those players have struggled as well. What can WI do but hope?

  • DonDaley on June 12, 2014, 15:52 GMT

    The Windies batted poorly. Samuels, Bravo, Edwards and Powell failed twice in two innings. That's a losing scenario unless two other batsmen score big centuries. Nonetheless this is the best balanced WI in years. The bowling looks able to get twenty wickets and the lower order is going to make more runs than any WI lower order in recent times. I say give the batsmen another chance to fail but keep Kraigg Brathwaite, Carlos Brathwaite, Dwayne Bravo and Sunil Narine in mind and find a way to blood young Blackwood

  • on June 12, 2014, 15:40 GMT

    I want this team for the 2nd Test: Braithwaite Gayle Blackwood Shivnarine Chanderpaul Tagenarine Chanderpaul Ramdin Taylor Roach Miguel Cummins Holder Shillingford/Permaul

  • on June 12, 2014, 15:27 GMT

    Rest and assure, WI will make changes and reshuffle after this series is over. Best to wait until 2020 for anew crop of players which will also highlight new WICB management, coaches and selectors.

    For now the focus should be on CPL.

  • on June 12, 2014, 14:26 GMT

    Here is some interesting stats. In the ten years between 2001-2010 WI had 8 captains including Hooper, C'Paul, Sarwan, Ganga, Gayle and Bravo among others. They played 67 tests and won 10 and lost 37.In the next three years under Sammy they played 30 tests and won 8 and lost 12, a definite improvement I believe. In between they had 6 consecutive wins. Sammy was always deemed a caretaker captain who would hand over the job once there were signs of improvement. Now Ramdin inherits a team whose core played in those 6 tests except for Kirk Edwatds, Benn and Taylor. Let us see how he takes it forward. Unfortunately the start was not very auspicious. But as the British say maybe a bad beginning makes a good ending.

  • tutorial on June 12, 2014, 14:22 GMT

    A coach arguing with his players and dorpping them because of petty disagreement, one example Sarwan! When we had guys who were very capable, they where all dismantled and left out of the team for years at times. Is that doing your best? Maybe the best in the opposite direction!!.

  • BRUTALANALYST on June 12, 2014, 14:16 GMT

    W.I need Bowling of Taylor Roach Carlos/Holder Narine with Dwayne Bravo as the all-rounder and they will be a much different side. Lots of people talk about Holder I like him but personally think Carlos Brathwaite who is the same height is actually a better prospect, he bowls with more intent stronger action and more pace I guess in future they can both play together. Carlos's batting is also better than Holders at the moment with W.I batting in such state another fact why I'd like him ahead of Holder but it seems they're set on Holder.

  • tutorial on June 12, 2014, 14:08 GMT

    Everyone is calling for change, but change must start on top, with Gibson who is obviously not qualified for his position, then selectors and finally team manager. This is the only way WI.cricket will progress.

  • on June 12, 2014, 13:52 GMT

    Why does every Windies supporter lambast Ottis? He's done his best and, for most of his tenure, the best players in the Windies have taken the field. And they've consistently failed to deliver as a team. Barring a few standout performances by individuals, they've always failed to play as a team. The bowling has always been decent, but the catching and batsmen are horrendous. You've got to give the poor bowlers some runs in the bank to work with. Even batsmen with 10+ years of FC experience don't seem to have the faintest clue about "batting time" or match/situational awareness. What do you expect the coach to do - go out on the field and score runs and take the catches too? Just admit that the team is a long way from Test-class. No coach can fix that in a couple of years, not even Ottis. Respect Ottis's hard work, and the fact that he's trying his best.

  • Rally_Windies on June 12, 2014, 13:36 GMT

    so everyone has different suggestions for the batting ...

    but 99% of the world agree, the Bowling should have Taylor,Roach,Holder ....

    The selectors who I trash so much, saw it fit to include Holder at the last minute ...

    Benn, and Shillingford are not "world class" ...

    all they are good for is holding up an end while the quicks take a break .... they are not attacking ... they need 40-50 overs to get 3-4 wickets ... and they are expensive as far as spinners are concerned.

    Roach and Taylor went for less runs and that is INCREDIBLE when 2 West Indian quick bowlers hold a better line and length that your spinn bowlers ....

    Anyone who knows ANYTHING about crickets would want 1 spinner who can bowl 50 overs for 80-90 runs , to give your quicks short bursts... Spinner wickets are a bonus .... Shilly and Benn are not attack options

  • on June 12, 2014, 12:35 GMT

    We may talk all we want about changes to the team with some merit but until we wake up and fire Gibson, sliding to the abyss is a done deal. It must be noticed that he has revised his out look for the team. HIs first goal was to have us at #5 by this year. That cant happen so now he is hoping to leave the team in a better position than he met it. What a farce!!! There has to be some relevance for a coach. Gibson has been given some real good talents yet not one has developed under him. On the contrary we have witnessed nothing but regression. He is the albatross around the neck of West Indian cricket and he must go. Until then ??????

  • creekeetman on June 12, 2014, 12:14 GMT

    no one should be questioning bravo?.. Why? what has he done so special that he just cements a place on the team? in his last 26 innings he has past 50 just 3 times, and two of those were against Bangladesh. by all means question bravo, because failure in the second test should mean being dropped.

  • FOUR-REAL-QUICKS on June 12, 2014, 11:58 GMT

    The best XI we could possibly field in this day and age would be the following: C.Gayle, K.Brathwaite, DM.Bravo, J.Blackwood, S.Chanderpaul, DJ.Bravo, D.Ramdin(c/w), J.Holder, J.Taylor, K.Roach, S.Narine. Will we see it? Doubtful, for various reasons. The pitches - worse than ever, management - apathetic, and lack of many past greats being involved in the coaching set up are all detrimental to the West Indian game. Longer season next year will help - but it needs to be played on hard, true wickets - to encourage batmsen and bowler alike. Forget this slow, low turner rubbish...time to get some life back into the Windies squares and squad.

  • haystak on June 12, 2014, 11:48 GMT

    I thought Sammy was the problem? Everybody said everything would be ok if Sammy is dropped, so we replaced him with Benn am not shocked with the results, using the same failing players

  • ilyas on June 12, 2014, 10:54 GMT

    Well well what did we expect? Virtually the same batting line up as last winter where WI got walloped by nz and india and we expect the results to be different? Gayle's days look done at test level as his foot movement seems to have disappeared, Samuels has been awful since he got hit in the face last year and may never recover, Powell and Edwards are technically flawed and need some serious work and Bravo but has some other issues in his mind which need resolving. The plus is that the bowling looks capable of taking 20 wickets - the 1st innings was just rustiness. Braithwaite needs to come in for Powell (let Gayle finish off this series and then retire him), bravo snr (if fit) for Samuels now and put Blackwood on standby for either bravo jnr or Edwards if they fail in the next test. OH YES AND FIRE GIBSON NOW!!!!!i

  • lyl67 on June 12, 2014, 10:26 GMT

    New Young faces is needed,Just Look at New Zealand, we cannot go back to the old Guard.There are some players who have performed well in Regional cricket, maybe ae should take a look at some of them.

  • on June 12, 2014, 10:22 GMT

    Samuels has been poor since England 2012 time to go.no point bringing back barath,nash or Edwards. Bravo jnr is vital and sarwan given one last try.. My team Gayle,powell,sarwan,bravo jnr,chanderpaul,bravo snr,ramdin,roach,Taylor,shillingford,narine.

  • on June 12, 2014, 10:10 GMT

    Lets stop applauding mediocrity what is Kirk and Marlon still doing in the team

  • FOUR-REAL-QUICKS on June 12, 2014, 9:19 GMT

    Nobody should be questioning D.Bravo, who is a fine batsman - end of story. Calls for the likes of Sarwan, Fidel Edwards or Ravi Rampaul are crazy, no other way to put it. Have you seen Sarwan or Rampaul lately? Their fitness has never been of an international standard but now, it's worse than ever. Pitches, coaches, management - three of the biggest areas of concern. Why try to produce slow, low turners and develop spinners who just tie an end up? That could not be further from the true West Indian way, which is positive cricket on lively tracks. Get some harder surfaces where batsmen can play their shots and bowlers are rewarded for bending their backs. Roach, Taylor, Holder etc would trouble most batsmen if given the track to support it. Benn, Shillingford etc can't keep a decent, but far from strong team below 500. The batsmen need to take a serious look in the mirror though, no sense of application. Brathwaite must be brought into the XI, he at least values his wicket.

  • creekeetman on June 12, 2014, 9:18 GMT

    of course the batting was a failure, thats because there is only one test batsman on the team. but don't only blame the batting... the bowling is also of a poor level, twice WI were not capable of bowling out NZ, and they scored over 500 in the first inning. new captain, same team, same results.

  • on June 12, 2014, 9:15 GMT

    Fantastic win for NZ in a series of two equally matched sides. WI came into the match with a strong batting line up, rewind a couple of years & they would have been out for under 200 in both innings. Samuels again was a bitter disappointment with his two ducks but rewind two years and he was the best batsman on either side in the WI tour of England. Samuels has regressed after that tour. with his ability, he should be averaging at least 45 with the bat in Tests. He will never be dropped though coz his off break bowling is quality & adds variety to the attack. Finally, unless the WI are trying to provide affirmative action for white cricketers, which i am not aware of, please don't bring back Brendan Nash, he's nowhere near Test class, however well he concentrates.

  • on June 12, 2014, 9:13 GMT

    Pretty abject batting performance from West Indies. If Shillingford needs a different ball to compensate for not being allowed to bowl the doosra, could he develop an arm ball? Swann used to use one to great effect, especially against left handers.

  • VivGilchrist on June 12, 2014, 9:07 GMT

    For all those calling for Darren Bravos head, didn't he score a match saving double century two Tests ago?

  • on June 12, 2014, 8:43 GMT

    There is no place in the team Mr. german1 for Barath,Sarwan or other failed acts.Brendan Nash`s style was a plus,but i think that the end of the line has been reached for Samuels and Gayle`s fitness issues suggest that it is time for him to focus on limited overs cricket.I have insisted that the entire restructuring of W.I. cricket and the sacking of a failing coach is the first step toward rebuilding.Simply putting in players and changing captains would result in continued failure.Ramdin should not even captain the team-he should concentrate on his batting and keeping.Short term changes should include inserting another genuine fast bowler,bring back Simmons and blood some of the young batsmen in the region.A fit Dwayne Bravo should captain this team.Powell,Kirk Edwards and Darren Bravo have to be given more opportunity to develop into future good players and not have to worry that every test might be their last.Former greats must be contracted on a long term basis to train players.

  • on June 12, 2014, 8:37 GMT

    We do not need to bring back decrepit old stagers who have certainly passed their useful stage in the world of cricket.

    I wrote before the start of the Test that the inclusion of young Bravo was a waste of time and a discredit to promising young cricketers.

    When we finally decide to eliminate the incompetents I sincerely trust that the first among the discarded will be Otis Gibson . As a former bowling coach he certainly has not brought the expected help and expertise that his life's exposure ought to have honed.

    I plead again that commonsense which is miniscule it seems among the selectors that communal help in the obvious absence of common sense will prevail. Drop Bravo, find someone else to open with Gale, pick Braithwaite, Marlon has got to the end of an up and down career.

    The future of Wes Indies Cricket is not going to improve among the continued selection of poor performers who have outlived their usefulness.

  • VivGilchrist on June 12, 2014, 8:15 GMT

    To all the keyboard experts out there, please consider these First Class batting averages. Please keep in mind these are FIRST CLASS averages in the very poor WI competition, not TEST - Simmons 33, Smith 29, Bonner 22, Johnson 33, Barath 32. These numbers are not good. On what basis do you think these guys would do any better ant International level? And for all those calling for Sarwan, he is hardly making any decent scores in the county comp in England.

  • harikeshan on June 12, 2014, 7:39 GMT

    Otiis Gibson Must Go....Bring back guys who have form and Temperament to play the longer format. Brendon Nash, Sarwan, Barat, whats happened to these guys. Samuels is a hit or miss kind of guy...when down is KO. What about guys like Dwayne Smith, had a good IPL and can bowl and field.

  • german1 on June 12, 2014, 5:58 GMT

    Gibson must go. Edwards, Bravo and Samuels need a long rest and prove themselves at the first class level first before getting another call up. Give some other guys a go. Brawaghtie * , simmions , Leon Johnson, etc the current top order have gotten too comfortable in their positions and take it for granted. I have never seen another sports team in my lifetime so woefully mismanaged and I follow a lot of other sports and teams around the world. No one is held responsible with the current WI team and mediocrity is widely accepted. Score a 50 now and then and your place in the team is secured !

  • on June 12, 2014, 5:01 GMT

    WI need to bring back Sarwan into the batting line-up.

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  • on June 12, 2014, 5:01 GMT

    WI need to bring back Sarwan into the batting line-up.

  • german1 on June 12, 2014, 5:58 GMT

    Gibson must go. Edwards, Bravo and Samuels need a long rest and prove themselves at the first class level first before getting another call up. Give some other guys a go. Brawaghtie * , simmions , Leon Johnson, etc the current top order have gotten too comfortable in their positions and take it for granted. I have never seen another sports team in my lifetime so woefully mismanaged and I follow a lot of other sports and teams around the world. No one is held responsible with the current WI team and mediocrity is widely accepted. Score a 50 now and then and your place in the team is secured !

  • harikeshan on June 12, 2014, 7:39 GMT

    Otiis Gibson Must Go....Bring back guys who have form and Temperament to play the longer format. Brendon Nash, Sarwan, Barat, whats happened to these guys. Samuels is a hit or miss kind of guy...when down is KO. What about guys like Dwayne Smith, had a good IPL and can bowl and field.

  • VivGilchrist on June 12, 2014, 8:15 GMT

    To all the keyboard experts out there, please consider these First Class batting averages. Please keep in mind these are FIRST CLASS averages in the very poor WI competition, not TEST - Simmons 33, Smith 29, Bonner 22, Johnson 33, Barath 32. These numbers are not good. On what basis do you think these guys would do any better ant International level? And for all those calling for Sarwan, he is hardly making any decent scores in the county comp in England.

  • on June 12, 2014, 8:37 GMT

    We do not need to bring back decrepit old stagers who have certainly passed their useful stage in the world of cricket.

    I wrote before the start of the Test that the inclusion of young Bravo was a waste of time and a discredit to promising young cricketers.

    When we finally decide to eliminate the incompetents I sincerely trust that the first among the discarded will be Otis Gibson . As a former bowling coach he certainly has not brought the expected help and expertise that his life's exposure ought to have honed.

    I plead again that commonsense which is miniscule it seems among the selectors that communal help in the obvious absence of common sense will prevail. Drop Bravo, find someone else to open with Gale, pick Braithwaite, Marlon has got to the end of an up and down career.

    The future of Wes Indies Cricket is not going to improve among the continued selection of poor performers who have outlived their usefulness.

  • on June 12, 2014, 8:43 GMT

    There is no place in the team Mr. german1 for Barath,Sarwan or other failed acts.Brendan Nash`s style was a plus,but i think that the end of the line has been reached for Samuels and Gayle`s fitness issues suggest that it is time for him to focus on limited overs cricket.I have insisted that the entire restructuring of W.I. cricket and the sacking of a failing coach is the first step toward rebuilding.Simply putting in players and changing captains would result in continued failure.Ramdin should not even captain the team-he should concentrate on his batting and keeping.Short term changes should include inserting another genuine fast bowler,bring back Simmons and blood some of the young batsmen in the region.A fit Dwayne Bravo should captain this team.Powell,Kirk Edwards and Darren Bravo have to be given more opportunity to develop into future good players and not have to worry that every test might be their last.Former greats must be contracted on a long term basis to train players.

  • VivGilchrist on June 12, 2014, 9:07 GMT

    For all those calling for Darren Bravos head, didn't he score a match saving double century two Tests ago?

  • on June 12, 2014, 9:13 GMT

    Pretty abject batting performance from West Indies. If Shillingford needs a different ball to compensate for not being allowed to bowl the doosra, could he develop an arm ball? Swann used to use one to great effect, especially against left handers.

  • on June 12, 2014, 9:15 GMT

    Fantastic win for NZ in a series of two equally matched sides. WI came into the match with a strong batting line up, rewind a couple of years & they would have been out for under 200 in both innings. Samuels again was a bitter disappointment with his two ducks but rewind two years and he was the best batsman on either side in the WI tour of England. Samuels has regressed after that tour. with his ability, he should be averaging at least 45 with the bat in Tests. He will never be dropped though coz his off break bowling is quality & adds variety to the attack. Finally, unless the WI are trying to provide affirmative action for white cricketers, which i am not aware of, please don't bring back Brendan Nash, he's nowhere near Test class, however well he concentrates.

  • creekeetman on June 12, 2014, 9:18 GMT

    of course the batting was a failure, thats because there is only one test batsman on the team. but don't only blame the batting... the bowling is also of a poor level, twice WI were not capable of bowling out NZ, and they scored over 500 in the first inning. new captain, same team, same results.