West Indies v New Zealand, 3rd Test, Barbados June 24, 2014

Gibson wants more help for quicks in Barbados

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Ottis Gibson, the West Indies coach, wants more help for his fast bowlers from the Bridgetown pitch in the decisive third Test against New Zealand compared to what they got in Kingston and Port-of-Spain. The new-ball pair of Jerome Taylor and Kemar Roach bowled 85 and 86 overs respectively in the first two Tests, and while that brought them a combined 17 wickets, Gibson would like see their toil backed by a more responsive surface.

"We will have a look at the pitch and see what it holds. Kensington always has a little bit in it for the bowlers as well," Gibson was quoted as saying by CMC. "Trinidad was a very un-Trinidad like pitch; it was a good pitch for batting and the bowlers had to work hard. It was probably one of the best pitches I've seen in Trinidad for a long time. I thought the bowlers bowled well in Jamaica and we backed it up in Trinidad on a pitch where we had to work really hard."

West Indies lost the first Test by 186 runs before winning the second by 10 wickets. They dismissed New Zealand in 74.4 overs in the first innings in Port-of-Spain but ran into stiff resistance from the visitors in the second, which stretched for 152.2 overs till lunch on the final day.

Earlier in the series, left-arm spinner Sulieman Benn had said that West Indies were not in favour of "flat" pitches such as the one for the first Test in Jamaica, where New Zealand racked up 508 for 7 declared in the first innings. While Benn had asked for a "proper" Test pitch that had something in it for bowlers as well as batsmen, Gibson wanted a "good" track for the third Test.

"Hopefully we'll get a very good surface in Barbados, one that helps our quick bowlers a little bit more than maybe Trinidad and Jamaica. Our fast bowlers are bowling fantastically well so hopefully we get a pitch that gives them a little bit of support and they can continue to bowl the way they have been bowling and bowl us to a series win."

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  • Rally_Windies on June 26, 2014, 14:51 GMT

    Sage Rodriguez.. I guess Viv Richards was a terrible test batsman ....

    and I guess Shiv Chanderpaul is a terrible ODI batsman ...

    and Guess David Warner is a Terrible Test Batsman ...

    What is so hard to envision about Pollard , playing Test cricket, by batting properly ?

    His 20/20 batting consists of PROPER cricketing strokes ... Pollard hits straight ...

    This would be GREAT in test cricket ...

    and further more, he has played 4-day cricket and has showed an aptitude for solid defense.

    as a matter of fact.

    Pollard's 1st game after knee surgery , which he used to warm up before going to the IPL was a 4-day game...

    He made a patient century ...

    You had to be a mad man to ASSUME that pollard would try to score 4 ball 100's in Test cricket .....

  • Rally_Windies on June 26, 2014, 2:46 GMT

    Benn and Gabriel should be replaced by Narine and Holder !

    we are not saying that Benn and Gabriel did not do well ...

    BUT , we don't pick Tendulkar ahead of Bradman ...

    Holder and Narine are just better ...

    and oddly ... more than 50% of people in the Caribbean can see this as a DUHHHHHHH decision ..

    and the rest of the WORLD (90%) of the people see this as a DUHHHHHHHH decision ...

    the WICB,,, are proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that they know absolutely NOTHING about cricket ....

  • on June 25, 2014, 22:24 GMT

    why ask for pollard????????that guy has the worst technique u will ever see dosent even have the temperament for test cricket, ask for pollard when he trys playing a full season of fc n not the ipl

  • king_kenie on June 25, 2014, 16:44 GMT

    It is safe to say that NZ batsmen are better at pace than spin. Taylor is by far the best bowler on show in this series but he has less wickets than Southie, this is because WI batsmen cant handle the swing and NZ manages it far better. Just look back to the series in NZ and you will get a hint of how well we can handle fast tracks.

    Now its known that NZ are weaker than us at spin so why on earth would Gibson be asking for a fast track? The last track that was prepared for the Ausies should be on show again and Shillingford should be in for Gabriel and since Bravo is not fit Pollard should be called up.WI management seems to be stuck in a thought loop that was glitched by the millennium bug.

  • wirus on June 25, 2014, 13:52 GMT

    As usual just about anything that Gibson says can be safely ignored. Yes hopefully Bridgetown will provide the best pitch of the series but as others have said both teams will be able to bowl on it and NZ have good quicks. WI greatest need is for an allrounder. Benn can't keep bowling over 50 overs per innings. A 5th bowler is sorely needed and Dwayne Bravo would have fitted the bill but is not yet fully recovered. Pollard would be the next best thing or Simmons or at a stretch even Dwayne Smith. Carlos Brathwaite is not ready yet. In the mean time relying on Gayle's bowling is a real weak link that NZ will seek to exploit. It would be hard to drop anyone at this point after such a successful test but going into the 3rd test with just 4 bowlers is a huge risk. One of Blackwood or Edwards would be the ones most likely to lose out but I doubt WI selectors will do anything. They will use the same team and hope for a repeat performance. BIG RISK! They have to keep 1 step ahead of NZ.

  • Technical-1 on June 25, 2014, 13:43 GMT

    Courtesy 6/24/14 6:38:47 PM In reply to natty_forever

    Natty, with all de explanation on de other thread you still nah overstand. OK. Suppose the increase in production is the result of equipment change...(Ramdin batting with a lighter bat) and/or a technical change...(Ramdin just tweeking his technique).

    Would you say the increased runs scored by Ramdin is as a result of mental fortitude? Can you arrive definitively at this conclusion?

    This is why on de other thread me tell you it is a stretch to equate increased production (more runs scored) with mental fortitude.......... Now on the other matter, you still nah figure out de Holding statement yet.

    natty_forever: ask Mr. Courtesy: Can the Equipment and Technical Changes act by themselves without and External Force moving upon them? In other words it needs something, someone to use it to effect the changes necessary for improvement! That I say needs Mental Fortitude.. Mr. Ramdin is not a metaphor he is a reality.

  • on June 25, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    Seriously! Let not get carried away with this win. WI still have alot of work too do. As for Gayle this should be his last test series. mother time has caught up with him. playing T20 style cricket in all white just don't cut it. I rather not have the young players adapting the same tendency in test cricket. For the Bangladesh series I would like to see the 13 man squad: Simmons, Brathwaite, Edwards, Bravo, Chanderpaul, Blakewood, Bravo, Ramdin, Narine, Benn, Taylor, Roach and Holder. At the end of this year playing against SA 5 bowlers a must to compete 4 seamers 1 spinner. Lets make the positive changes for the future.

  • on June 25, 2014, 4:34 GMT

    i asking again why not kenroy peters from windward peters had more wicket than of the fast bowler play for west indies this series & still can;t get a pick .wow garbiel is lucky bowler

  • cricketWI on June 25, 2014, 1:46 GMT

    i still dnt understand why gabriel keeps getting picked, especially in front of holder

  • BRUTALANALYST on June 25, 2014, 1:20 GMT

    If W.I wanted to make advantage v NZ they'd prepare spinning track with both Narine and Benn in the side. Benn alone is a decent left arm spinner and he causes a few problems but he mainly keeps it tight Narine is real strike spinner and would of been handful for NZ like he has been every time he has played them even including a December green-top in NZ. Southee Boult and Wagner are far better than W.I pace attack at present so don't really see where he's going with this just sounds delusional to me, seems alot of folks the coach included have already gotten carried away with one win ! You can't expect Jerome Taylor to take 4 or 5 cheap first innings wickets every game and looking at how Watling and the bowlers batted for a day and a half in the second innings shows W.I are unlikely to beat NZ who will be fighting for a first historic W.I series win and most definitely wil unlikely lose 20 wickets to this same W.I attack come crunch time.

  • Rally_Windies on June 26, 2014, 14:51 GMT

    Sage Rodriguez.. I guess Viv Richards was a terrible test batsman ....

    and I guess Shiv Chanderpaul is a terrible ODI batsman ...

    and Guess David Warner is a Terrible Test Batsman ...

    What is so hard to envision about Pollard , playing Test cricket, by batting properly ?

    His 20/20 batting consists of PROPER cricketing strokes ... Pollard hits straight ...

    This would be GREAT in test cricket ...

    and further more, he has played 4-day cricket and has showed an aptitude for solid defense.

    as a matter of fact.

    Pollard's 1st game after knee surgery , which he used to warm up before going to the IPL was a 4-day game...

    He made a patient century ...

    You had to be a mad man to ASSUME that pollard would try to score 4 ball 100's in Test cricket .....

  • Rally_Windies on June 26, 2014, 2:46 GMT

    Benn and Gabriel should be replaced by Narine and Holder !

    we are not saying that Benn and Gabriel did not do well ...

    BUT , we don't pick Tendulkar ahead of Bradman ...

    Holder and Narine are just better ...

    and oddly ... more than 50% of people in the Caribbean can see this as a DUHHHHHHH decision ..

    and the rest of the WORLD (90%) of the people see this as a DUHHHHHHHH decision ...

    the WICB,,, are proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that they know absolutely NOTHING about cricket ....

  • on June 25, 2014, 22:24 GMT

    why ask for pollard????????that guy has the worst technique u will ever see dosent even have the temperament for test cricket, ask for pollard when he trys playing a full season of fc n not the ipl

  • king_kenie on June 25, 2014, 16:44 GMT

    It is safe to say that NZ batsmen are better at pace than spin. Taylor is by far the best bowler on show in this series but he has less wickets than Southie, this is because WI batsmen cant handle the swing and NZ manages it far better. Just look back to the series in NZ and you will get a hint of how well we can handle fast tracks.

    Now its known that NZ are weaker than us at spin so why on earth would Gibson be asking for a fast track? The last track that was prepared for the Ausies should be on show again and Shillingford should be in for Gabriel and since Bravo is not fit Pollard should be called up.WI management seems to be stuck in a thought loop that was glitched by the millennium bug.

  • wirus on June 25, 2014, 13:52 GMT

    As usual just about anything that Gibson says can be safely ignored. Yes hopefully Bridgetown will provide the best pitch of the series but as others have said both teams will be able to bowl on it and NZ have good quicks. WI greatest need is for an allrounder. Benn can't keep bowling over 50 overs per innings. A 5th bowler is sorely needed and Dwayne Bravo would have fitted the bill but is not yet fully recovered. Pollard would be the next best thing or Simmons or at a stretch even Dwayne Smith. Carlos Brathwaite is not ready yet. In the mean time relying on Gayle's bowling is a real weak link that NZ will seek to exploit. It would be hard to drop anyone at this point after such a successful test but going into the 3rd test with just 4 bowlers is a huge risk. One of Blackwood or Edwards would be the ones most likely to lose out but I doubt WI selectors will do anything. They will use the same team and hope for a repeat performance. BIG RISK! They have to keep 1 step ahead of NZ.

  • Technical-1 on June 25, 2014, 13:43 GMT

    Courtesy 6/24/14 6:38:47 PM In reply to natty_forever

    Natty, with all de explanation on de other thread you still nah overstand. OK. Suppose the increase in production is the result of equipment change...(Ramdin batting with a lighter bat) and/or a technical change...(Ramdin just tweeking his technique).

    Would you say the increased runs scored by Ramdin is as a result of mental fortitude? Can you arrive definitively at this conclusion?

    This is why on de other thread me tell you it is a stretch to equate increased production (more runs scored) with mental fortitude.......... Now on the other matter, you still nah figure out de Holding statement yet.

    natty_forever: ask Mr. Courtesy: Can the Equipment and Technical Changes act by themselves without and External Force moving upon them? In other words it needs something, someone to use it to effect the changes necessary for improvement! That I say needs Mental Fortitude.. Mr. Ramdin is not a metaphor he is a reality.

  • on June 25, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    Seriously! Let not get carried away with this win. WI still have alot of work too do. As for Gayle this should be his last test series. mother time has caught up with him. playing T20 style cricket in all white just don't cut it. I rather not have the young players adapting the same tendency in test cricket. For the Bangladesh series I would like to see the 13 man squad: Simmons, Brathwaite, Edwards, Bravo, Chanderpaul, Blakewood, Bravo, Ramdin, Narine, Benn, Taylor, Roach and Holder. At the end of this year playing against SA 5 bowlers a must to compete 4 seamers 1 spinner. Lets make the positive changes for the future.

  • on June 25, 2014, 4:34 GMT

    i asking again why not kenroy peters from windward peters had more wicket than of the fast bowler play for west indies this series & still can;t get a pick .wow garbiel is lucky bowler

  • cricketWI on June 25, 2014, 1:46 GMT

    i still dnt understand why gabriel keeps getting picked, especially in front of holder

  • BRUTALANALYST on June 25, 2014, 1:20 GMT

    If W.I wanted to make advantage v NZ they'd prepare spinning track with both Narine and Benn in the side. Benn alone is a decent left arm spinner and he causes a few problems but he mainly keeps it tight Narine is real strike spinner and would of been handful for NZ like he has been every time he has played them even including a December green-top in NZ. Southee Boult and Wagner are far better than W.I pace attack at present so don't really see where he's going with this just sounds delusional to me, seems alot of folks the coach included have already gotten carried away with one win ! You can't expect Jerome Taylor to take 4 or 5 cheap first innings wickets every game and looking at how Watling and the bowlers batted for a day and a half in the second innings shows W.I are unlikely to beat NZ who will be fighting for a first historic W.I series win and most definitely wil unlikely lose 20 wickets to this same W.I attack come crunch time.

  • Rally2014 on June 25, 2014, 1:18 GMT

    Narine and Holder in for Benn and Gabriel

  • gsingh7 on June 24, 2014, 23:30 GMT

    wi dont have pacers of yester years thats why they languishing near bottom of rankings in ALL forms of game. now their coach is asking for doctored tracks to help their below par bowlers.they surely need all the help in this world that they can get.

  • on June 24, 2014, 23:23 GMT

    Gibso wants quick pitch, But u cannot underestimate NZ quick bowlers. It will be strengthen wid the inclusion of Anderson and possible Wagner.

  • tutorial on June 24, 2014, 22:20 GMT

    Drop Edwards and play Johnson, drop Gabriel and play Holder. These and more gutsy decisions Gibson and company are incapable of. The dictators have song!! no more Narine for a while.

  • delboy on June 24, 2014, 21:19 GMT

    @Michael Radix , Gibson like most of his followers always forget that a cricket match is played between two teams. You would think he would realise that over the series the NZ quicks have been more consistent and disciplined than the WI quicks. NZ will look to come hard having lost so convincingly.

  • on June 24, 2014, 19:06 GMT

    I don't get it. If the wicket favours fast bowling doesn't it also helps New Zealand? My goodness why is this coach always looking for a scape goat. A coaches job is to prepare his players for any condition. The other side does. Or is he just a pretend coach. Enough already he must be replaced.

  • Ncnotorious on June 24, 2014, 19:05 GMT

    Swing*... Dont think Gibson should ask for better quick pitches. NZ, in my opinion has better fast bowlers than WI does (Both boult and southee swing the ball) and our batsmen (barring Shiv) already struggle with their technique while playing the moving ball. So please be careful what you wish for.

  • Ncnotorious on June 24, 2014, 16:08 GMT

    Holder instead of Gabriel please! Gabriel cant sing the ball and bowls nothing.

  • CricketChat on June 24, 2014, 15:33 GMT

    With Taylor, Roach and Gabriel in the side, does he need to remind the curator to prepare a fast pitch? It should be a foregone conclusion. With Gayle coming to some sort of form, WI clearly have the edge in the 3rd test.

  • on June 24, 2014, 14:53 GMT

    Agreed. Gibson needs more help!!

  • wizzla on June 24, 2014, 14:49 GMT

    What WI need is a More aggressive and attacking captain. i got the impression they were just waiting on something to happen in the previous two test rather than creating an opportunity for a wicket.

  • on June 24, 2014, 13:41 GMT

    I wondered the way of bowling jt and Roch. Hope Holder will b in for 3rd test.

  • on June 24, 2014, 13:28 GMT

    i know its hard and its difficult to alter a winning combination but i think holder and narine have to be considerd for gabriel and benn or narine dont forget the trouble he caused in new zealand my team would be gayle ,brathwaite edwards, d. bravo, chanders , ramdin, taylor, roach , benn, or narine , holder .if the windies put in a great effort in this test they will have turned the corner.good luck. and the near future i would consider santokie he is a let hander and most importantly he moves the ball in the air we havent seen this type of bowler since bernard julian.

  • on June 24, 2014, 13:04 GMT

    Gibson you should have known that Taylor is the best quick bowler in the Caribbean. Instead u vanished him from WI for the last 3 yrs that may have been his best days.

  • on June 24, 2014, 12:42 GMT

    I guess that depending on whatever side of the home team is stronger, you'd make the pitches to benefit the batters or bowlers and therefore giving them the best opportunity to press any home-advantage they can. I remember back in the 70s and 80s, the pitches in the Caribbean varied, Jamaica and Barbados were fast, bouncy tracks, Trinidad took spin and Guyana (Borda) was flat as a pancake. These days the majority of pitches all over the Windies are very simular to the dry, cracked, flat wickets of the sub-continent, the only difference being the humidity in the air is not as stifling as it is in parts of Asia. Beyond JT, Roach, Holder and Ravi Ramps, we don't have a great depth in newball quicks/seamers. With spin we have Narine, Shilly, Benn and what has happened to Bishoo?...Bottom line is you prepare the pitch to the home team strengths or pick the right balance to adjust to the pitch conditions accordingly.

  • on June 24, 2014, 12:31 GMT

    be careful what u wish for Gibson more assistance for fast bowlers also give new Zealand an advantage and we have not really played their two quicks convincingly plus I hear they are playing three for this test

  • on June 24, 2014, 12:08 GMT

    West Indies need to improve more to be worthy of any consideration as being back on track. I was not impress with the last test because rain could have wash away the victory that they should claim during the first session of the last day. New Zealand is a very strong team, and they are improving too. This is my team Chris Gayle, Kraigg Brathwaite, Darren Bravo, Jermaine Blackwood, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Ramdin, Benn, Sunil Narine, Jerome Taylor, Roach and Jason Holder.

  • muzika_tchaikovskogo on June 24, 2014, 10:45 GMT

    Here's hoping that pitches in Jamaica and Barbados get back the pace and steep bounce that once put the fear of God into opposition batsmen.

  • old_chap on June 24, 2014, 10:45 GMT

    jason holder must be included instead of shannon gabriel..suliemann benn comes in handy in these pitches becuase of his skiddy action and 6"7 frame

  • FOUR-REAL-QUICKS on June 24, 2014, 9:47 GMT

    Taylor, Roach and Holder would be a fine attack on any surface that offers encoragement for the quicker bowlers. Gabriel hasn't bowled badly but Holder brings more options with his height, control and movement - plus, he's added pace this last 12 months or so and is now bowling consistently around the mid-80's mph. Long term, the tracks must get back to being better for the Windies fast bowlers - remember what made them great years ago, the players that did the job then are mostly still around to help some of these younger quicks to develop into the next generation of West Indian fast bowlers - but Ray Jordan, Ronsford Beaton etc need the pitches to assist them also.

  • 9ST9 on June 24, 2014, 8:31 GMT

    Increased assistance for the pacers means that the New Zealand attack also becomes more potent.

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  • 9ST9 on June 24, 2014, 8:31 GMT

    Increased assistance for the pacers means that the New Zealand attack also becomes more potent.

  • FOUR-REAL-QUICKS on June 24, 2014, 9:47 GMT

    Taylor, Roach and Holder would be a fine attack on any surface that offers encoragement for the quicker bowlers. Gabriel hasn't bowled badly but Holder brings more options with his height, control and movement - plus, he's added pace this last 12 months or so and is now bowling consistently around the mid-80's mph. Long term, the tracks must get back to being better for the Windies fast bowlers - remember what made them great years ago, the players that did the job then are mostly still around to help some of these younger quicks to develop into the next generation of West Indian fast bowlers - but Ray Jordan, Ronsford Beaton etc need the pitches to assist them also.

  • old_chap on June 24, 2014, 10:45 GMT

    jason holder must be included instead of shannon gabriel..suliemann benn comes in handy in these pitches becuase of his skiddy action and 6"7 frame

  • muzika_tchaikovskogo on June 24, 2014, 10:45 GMT

    Here's hoping that pitches in Jamaica and Barbados get back the pace and steep bounce that once put the fear of God into opposition batsmen.

  • on June 24, 2014, 12:08 GMT

    West Indies need to improve more to be worthy of any consideration as being back on track. I was not impress with the last test because rain could have wash away the victory that they should claim during the first session of the last day. New Zealand is a very strong team, and they are improving too. This is my team Chris Gayle, Kraigg Brathwaite, Darren Bravo, Jermaine Blackwood, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Ramdin, Benn, Sunil Narine, Jerome Taylor, Roach and Jason Holder.

  • on June 24, 2014, 12:31 GMT

    be careful what u wish for Gibson more assistance for fast bowlers also give new Zealand an advantage and we have not really played their two quicks convincingly plus I hear they are playing three for this test

  • on June 24, 2014, 12:42 GMT

    I guess that depending on whatever side of the home team is stronger, you'd make the pitches to benefit the batters or bowlers and therefore giving them the best opportunity to press any home-advantage they can. I remember back in the 70s and 80s, the pitches in the Caribbean varied, Jamaica and Barbados were fast, bouncy tracks, Trinidad took spin and Guyana (Borda) was flat as a pancake. These days the majority of pitches all over the Windies are very simular to the dry, cracked, flat wickets of the sub-continent, the only difference being the humidity in the air is not as stifling as it is in parts of Asia. Beyond JT, Roach, Holder and Ravi Ramps, we don't have a great depth in newball quicks/seamers. With spin we have Narine, Shilly, Benn and what has happened to Bishoo?...Bottom line is you prepare the pitch to the home team strengths or pick the right balance to adjust to the pitch conditions accordingly.

  • on June 24, 2014, 13:04 GMT

    Gibson you should have known that Taylor is the best quick bowler in the Caribbean. Instead u vanished him from WI for the last 3 yrs that may have been his best days.

  • on June 24, 2014, 13:28 GMT

    i know its hard and its difficult to alter a winning combination but i think holder and narine have to be considerd for gabriel and benn or narine dont forget the trouble he caused in new zealand my team would be gayle ,brathwaite edwards, d. bravo, chanders , ramdin, taylor, roach , benn, or narine , holder .if the windies put in a great effort in this test they will have turned the corner.good luck. and the near future i would consider santokie he is a let hander and most importantly he moves the ball in the air we havent seen this type of bowler since bernard julian.

  • on June 24, 2014, 13:41 GMT

    I wondered the way of bowling jt and Roch. Hope Holder will b in for 3rd test.