Pakistan tour of West Indies 2011 April 16, 2011

WIPA questions West Indies selection process

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The West Indies Players' Association (WIPA) has questioned the decision to exclude Chris Gayle, Ramnaresh Sarwan and Shivnarine Chanderpaul from the West Indies squad for the first two one-day internationals against Pakistan. The association suggested there were factors other than "performance, potential, playing conditions and preparedness" that were behind the decision, and that these reasons were not explained to the players.

WIPA filed a notice of dispute, claiming that the selection process was not "fair and transparent", and was in breach of the memorandum of understanding between WIPA and the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB)

The WICB's explanation for axing the three experienced players was that it was in keeping with their policy to expose young players to international cricket. The WICB chief executive Ernest Hilaire also added that none of the senior players had been axed permanently, and that the selectors would explain to every player how they fit into the long-term plan.

The exclusion of Gayle, Sarwan and Chanderpaul comes after a disappointing World Cup campaign for West Indies in which none of the three batsmen scored a half-century against a Test-playing nation.

WIPA and the WICB have been at loggerheads over several issues in the past, the most significant stand-off between the two bodies being the one over player contracts that resulted in WIPA boycotting the Bangladesh home series in 2009. The player association had also slammed WICB's decision not to give Sarwan a central retainer in 2010.

In its press release issued on Saturday, WIPA said that after their exclusion from the national squad, Gayle, Sarwan and Chanderpaul should not be stopped from trying to earn money by playing cricket outside the Caribbean.

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  • InsideHedge on April 19, 2011, 14:03 GMT

    why are my comments not posted?

  • aleemhussain on April 18, 2011, 15:29 GMT

    The people in the Caribbean know that west indies have a bad world cup but that does not mean that u have axed the senior player .ok the WICB said they are build a squad for the next world cup but most of those player will be in the 2015 world cup maybe for the e expectation of shiv. This is the time to make Caribbean people happy to an extent by picking the best squad for the Pakistan tour and by not picking the senior players will be another disgrace and shameful defeat for the W.I

  • Silva-Surfa on April 18, 2011, 13:10 GMT

    I don't see the problem myself. If it was about the moral treatment of certain individuals, i'd have a little more sympathy, but as usual with WIPA, it's all about the dollar-dollar!..The Selectors are trying to experiment with some new faces, to see how they cope at International level, a trial & error concept. Russell and Bishoo made a good impression in the World Cup and some others are getting a opportunity against Pakistan. Gayle, Sarwan and Chanderpaul looked unmotivated and burnt-out in the WC. If WIPA are going to make this about players missing out on earnings and not what's in the best interest of Cricket in the Caribbean, then the Selectors made the right decision.

  • getsetgopk on April 18, 2011, 9:08 GMT

    wipa should let Wicb do its job and no need for explanations after what has happened recently. its quite clear !

  • Ashique129 on April 18, 2011, 6:07 GMT

    WI is looking for another workout by Pakistan (quite similar to what it got from Bangladesh in 2009) before realizing the stupidity of the decision. Gayle and Sarwan are 31, which means they have got a good 5-6 years more to offer. Gayle plays well in short bursts, and he's always been like this. One good innings every 4-5 matches can still help WI win games (the guy scored 2 300s in tests not long ago - am I the only one with this information?). Sarwan, with a few games under his belt, can go back to his consistent best. For Shiva, after serving the country incredibly for more than 15 years, this is what he deserves, right? This guy should be given the right to retire on his own terms. I mean, is there any complaint about his commitment? If not, is this how you treat a great player like him? God - please open their eyes!

  • on April 18, 2011, 3:10 GMT

    people this is what i am talk about hear we go with this wipa can have say wicb should let him know performance is also another measure to be on this team and there isnot so stop speaking these players if they not going to earn there spot thank you

  • USIndianFan on April 17, 2011, 23:13 GMT

    Its great the WICB have decided to get in fresh blood. However, I like bullbudman's picks - Chanderpaul for the tests, Gayle for the ODIs/ T20s and Sarwan should be given a fair try - he seemed to be doing fairly well.

    Forget the next World Cup campaign, the WI need to remain a competitive team, which they are not because of a lack of poor leadership. Unless Fidel Edwards and Jerome Taylor are injured, coupled with Kemar Roach that should be an excellent pace combination and the Suleiman Benn and Bishoo are decent spinners. They have sufficient depth in batting too, and Sammy or Bravo or the others should be given an incentive to work for their spots.

    Get with it, put some good leadership in, and axe those who don't want to contribute. The WI can be competitive!

  • AceB on April 17, 2011, 23:05 GMT

    @ all and sundry who dislikes or fail to comprehend what is happening in West Indies cricket . This present WICB unlike its predecessors has finally woke up to the fact that they are responsible for caribbean cricket . In the past the coach or the physio or the bagman even the tealady, would get the sack at the behest of certain players . Stats don't add up to much when senior (so called) players can add nothing to improve young talent that enters the team . Apart from Shiv. Let them all go play for WIPA .

  • on April 17, 2011, 19:21 GMT

    We tend to forget that the WI management team keeps on making foolish decisions that is causing the supporters of WI cricket heartaches. After the home test series win against England an the team was playing together, the management team accepted a tour to england immediately that should not have happened which caused disruptions to the team. That caused an understrength team loosing to Bangladesh at home. Decisions like those stopped the winning habbit WI need to develop. Then now the selectors selected a captain that cannot make the first 11, how wise is that? You are going to pick a specialist captain, pick the regions best then. Now look at this team they select, Devon Thomas again as wk. the selectors are getting into a habbit of selecting players for the senior team with just a few first class games and they cant maintain their 1 good performance in the senior set up. Its my view that management are blaming the players for their faults Shiv should never be in the world cup squad

  • bullbudman on April 17, 2011, 15:32 GMT

    I HAVE BEEN SAYING SOMETHING ALONG THIS LINE FOR THE PAST 6 TO 8 YEARS SINCE THE WEST INDIES TEAM WAS AT THE START OF THEIR HUMILIATING RUN OF DECLINE:CHANDERPAUL SHOULD NEVER BE IN THE O.D.I. TEAM NEVER MIND THE T20 TEAM BECAUSE HIS TRIKE RATE IS TOO LOW AND ALL HE DOES IS BAT.HE SHOULD ONLY PLAY TEST CRICKET FOR THE WEST INDIES AND NOT ONLY THAT HE SHOULD BAT HIGHER UP THE ORDER BECAUSE HE IS ALWAYS RUNNING OUT OF PARTNERS AND COMMING IN NOT OUT.SARWAN SHOULD ONLY PLAY O.D.I. AND TEST CRICKET NOT T20. CHRIS GAYLE HOWEVER ,WHO STATED THAT HE DON'T LIKE TEST CRICKET SHOULD ONLY PLAY O.D.I. AND T20 CRICKET FOR THE WEST INDIES. IF THE WEST INDIES TEAM HANDLERS FOLLOW THIS SIMPLE RULE AS FAR AS THESE THREE PLAYERS ARE CONCERNED ,THEN AND ONLY THEN THEY WILL GET GOOD PRODUCTION FROM THEM AND THEY WILL HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF HELPING THE TEAM TO WIN CRICKET MATCHES

  • InsideHedge on April 19, 2011, 14:03 GMT

    why are my comments not posted?

  • aleemhussain on April 18, 2011, 15:29 GMT

    The people in the Caribbean know that west indies have a bad world cup but that does not mean that u have axed the senior player .ok the WICB said they are build a squad for the next world cup but most of those player will be in the 2015 world cup maybe for the e expectation of shiv. This is the time to make Caribbean people happy to an extent by picking the best squad for the Pakistan tour and by not picking the senior players will be another disgrace and shameful defeat for the W.I

  • Silva-Surfa on April 18, 2011, 13:10 GMT

    I don't see the problem myself. If it was about the moral treatment of certain individuals, i'd have a little more sympathy, but as usual with WIPA, it's all about the dollar-dollar!..The Selectors are trying to experiment with some new faces, to see how they cope at International level, a trial & error concept. Russell and Bishoo made a good impression in the World Cup and some others are getting a opportunity against Pakistan. Gayle, Sarwan and Chanderpaul looked unmotivated and burnt-out in the WC. If WIPA are going to make this about players missing out on earnings and not what's in the best interest of Cricket in the Caribbean, then the Selectors made the right decision.

  • getsetgopk on April 18, 2011, 9:08 GMT

    wipa should let Wicb do its job and no need for explanations after what has happened recently. its quite clear !

  • Ashique129 on April 18, 2011, 6:07 GMT

    WI is looking for another workout by Pakistan (quite similar to what it got from Bangladesh in 2009) before realizing the stupidity of the decision. Gayle and Sarwan are 31, which means they have got a good 5-6 years more to offer. Gayle plays well in short bursts, and he's always been like this. One good innings every 4-5 matches can still help WI win games (the guy scored 2 300s in tests not long ago - am I the only one with this information?). Sarwan, with a few games under his belt, can go back to his consistent best. For Shiva, after serving the country incredibly for more than 15 years, this is what he deserves, right? This guy should be given the right to retire on his own terms. I mean, is there any complaint about his commitment? If not, is this how you treat a great player like him? God - please open their eyes!

  • on April 18, 2011, 3:10 GMT

    people this is what i am talk about hear we go with this wipa can have say wicb should let him know performance is also another measure to be on this team and there isnot so stop speaking these players if they not going to earn there spot thank you

  • USIndianFan on April 17, 2011, 23:13 GMT

    Its great the WICB have decided to get in fresh blood. However, I like bullbudman's picks - Chanderpaul for the tests, Gayle for the ODIs/ T20s and Sarwan should be given a fair try - he seemed to be doing fairly well.

    Forget the next World Cup campaign, the WI need to remain a competitive team, which they are not because of a lack of poor leadership. Unless Fidel Edwards and Jerome Taylor are injured, coupled with Kemar Roach that should be an excellent pace combination and the Suleiman Benn and Bishoo are decent spinners. They have sufficient depth in batting too, and Sammy or Bravo or the others should be given an incentive to work for their spots.

    Get with it, put some good leadership in, and axe those who don't want to contribute. The WI can be competitive!

  • AceB on April 17, 2011, 23:05 GMT

    @ all and sundry who dislikes or fail to comprehend what is happening in West Indies cricket . This present WICB unlike its predecessors has finally woke up to the fact that they are responsible for caribbean cricket . In the past the coach or the physio or the bagman even the tealady, would get the sack at the behest of certain players . Stats don't add up to much when senior (so called) players can add nothing to improve young talent that enters the team . Apart from Shiv. Let them all go play for WIPA .

  • on April 17, 2011, 19:21 GMT

    We tend to forget that the WI management team keeps on making foolish decisions that is causing the supporters of WI cricket heartaches. After the home test series win against England an the team was playing together, the management team accepted a tour to england immediately that should not have happened which caused disruptions to the team. That caused an understrength team loosing to Bangladesh at home. Decisions like those stopped the winning habbit WI need to develop. Then now the selectors selected a captain that cannot make the first 11, how wise is that? You are going to pick a specialist captain, pick the regions best then. Now look at this team they select, Devon Thomas again as wk. the selectors are getting into a habbit of selecting players for the senior team with just a few first class games and they cant maintain their 1 good performance in the senior set up. Its my view that management are blaming the players for their faults Shiv should never be in the world cup squad

  • bullbudman on April 17, 2011, 15:32 GMT

    I HAVE BEEN SAYING SOMETHING ALONG THIS LINE FOR THE PAST 6 TO 8 YEARS SINCE THE WEST INDIES TEAM WAS AT THE START OF THEIR HUMILIATING RUN OF DECLINE:CHANDERPAUL SHOULD NEVER BE IN THE O.D.I. TEAM NEVER MIND THE T20 TEAM BECAUSE HIS TRIKE RATE IS TOO LOW AND ALL HE DOES IS BAT.HE SHOULD ONLY PLAY TEST CRICKET FOR THE WEST INDIES AND NOT ONLY THAT HE SHOULD BAT HIGHER UP THE ORDER BECAUSE HE IS ALWAYS RUNNING OUT OF PARTNERS AND COMMING IN NOT OUT.SARWAN SHOULD ONLY PLAY O.D.I. AND TEST CRICKET NOT T20. CHRIS GAYLE HOWEVER ,WHO STATED THAT HE DON'T LIKE TEST CRICKET SHOULD ONLY PLAY O.D.I. AND T20 CRICKET FOR THE WEST INDIES. IF THE WEST INDIES TEAM HANDLERS FOLLOW THIS SIMPLE RULE AS FAR AS THESE THREE PLAYERS ARE CONCERNED ,THEN AND ONLY THEN THEY WILL GET GOOD PRODUCTION FROM THEM AND THEY WILL HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF HELPING THE TEAM TO WIN CRICKET MATCHES

  • robmaha on April 17, 2011, 12:47 GMT

    Silent_Fluke, I think you've got it wrong. Passion comes with proper motivation, encouragement, fair dealings and genuine guidance. Talent is something innate that you nurture and develop over time. Poor leadership is the ability to make bold and vindictive decisions that do not serve the public good and are likely to have serious consequences and repercussions. So you omit real talent in the side and replace it with passion to win matches? And this is sound leadership? How logical is that? Are you talking about comedy?

  • on April 17, 2011, 12:38 GMT

    i dont know why people forget the past too early . last two years with these great players wi has not win a single game against any test playing nation so is it fair to oppose those players who waiting to get achance to play for wi. lots of talent is there in carribean , gayle , shiv and sarwan are not new players they played almost 100 test each of them but compare them with there standard players like sehwag,ponting,kallis,graem smith, sangakara,jaywardane,sachin , these players did lots of for there team but these 3 players did nothing for wi, i m totally support to drop those players ,gayle may consider for all formats but shiv and sarwan should only play odi

  • on April 17, 2011, 12:22 GMT

    Don't know what the West Indies selectors are doing, but it seems like they are trying to shut down the West Indies team. It is all well and good to include young players but certainly not at the expense of experienced players who are available and ready to play. We need to bring the young players along with the experienced players as their guide so that we can have a balanced team. The current structure of this team is similar to the one that was embarrased by Bangladesh in 2009. Can West Indies survive more disappointment after a poor performance in the World cup? I really don't think so and the long suffering fans will have to think twice about giving their support to the team.

  • martin4587 on April 17, 2011, 11:55 GMT

    I actually say hooray for the WICB.what those three really do for WI cricket recently, they hardly even do enough to stay on the team, give the youngsters a break they can hardly do any worse. West Indies always have this tradition of untouchables on the team players who can do what the hell they want and no one can do anything about them. Hooray Gibson got the balls to tackle that hopefully it don't cost him his job like his predecessors. I see a fan in an earlier wrote about guidance trust me my friend you ain't want that giving guidance, the only thing they can guide on is indiscipline and rum drinking.

  • Silent_Flute on April 17, 2011, 11:42 GMT

    One of the characteristics of great leadership is the having the wherewithal to make bold decisions. Departing from the norm and what the masses say should be adopted.The WIBC has done just that..while many have expressed their dissatisfaction with decision, we must admit it's bold, departs from the expected and does embody a degree sound leadership. If it's one thing that is absent in WI cricket it's passion, hunger and resoluteness. It's not an absent of talent...i don't think Gayle, Sarwan or Chiv were left out because their talent is under question, I think it's the former. Sammy is included not because of his talent or lack thereof at this point...he's chosen because he is passionate. Talent you can fix, passion u can't! If and that's my thought,we are pooling a team of passionate players, in our hey- days it was passion that epitomized the WI team...today, it's money...and we know what the pursuit of money leads too and where its root is placed. A new course is in motion!

  • robmaha on April 17, 2011, 10:45 GMT

    People keep bashing Shiv for a slow 44 in 103 deliveries. At least he kept one end alive and waited on 10 other players to contribute fastertowards a winning total. So how many deliveries did it take the rest of the team, 10 players, to make 69 and lose their wickets and the game? And you think Shiv is terrible? Let's be fair? Please judge the rest and the so called young blood/stars by the same measure!

  • on April 17, 2011, 9:41 GMT

    windies only have 3 world class players, and now they have dropped them both. WI on the road to self destruction, i only watch windies because of Gayle,Sarwan and Shiv... the rest of the team would not make the starting 11 for any other test nation (bar maybe Bang). Sammy is rubbish!

  • on April 17, 2011, 8:08 GMT

    Its not only unfair. it a crime against humanity a matter for human rights.Here is a little stastical analysis 4 u. Sarwan was the most successful batsman in that series starting with srilanka ODI series, warm up matches b4 the WC n d WC, check d stats. Shiv played 4 games in d WC, batted at 7 twice to slog at d end n not out 1. I am surprise no 1 has notice the inconsistency of Bravo. Batting at 3 is d best opportunity to score n he had 6 consective failures in d wc.WICB is a 1 man show, Gibson said at d end of d final game of d wc that d senior players caused the team to loose 4 d past 10 yrs and what is d reality now. Well if u want to give d young players opportunity then they should earn it, check d first class stats of some players they pushing.Gayle Sarwan n Shiv r not d only players who have been around during d last 10yrs,they are d successful ones, check d stats,each match consist of 8 other players.Or is it personal jealously4 d name, fame n glory dat gibson never had?

  • cricketdebator on April 17, 2011, 6:40 GMT

    My good friend CRICKETMAN96. You mentioned about Tendulkar being impact player for India, De Villiers for South Africa, etc, ctc. That is infact so. However, you are missing out on one important point, which is:- "These players are winning matches for their respective teams." And whereas Gayle especially is suppose to be the impact player for WI, I am sure you will agree that neither Gayle, Sarwan or Chanderpaul have been doing likewise for their team. When was the last time any of these players played an innings that DIRECTLY won the game for WI? Certainly not in recent times. What kind of guidance are they providing for the youngsters anyway? Look at the way Gayle threw away his wicket against Pakistan. Irresponsibility to the highest order. Are you suggesting that young Bravo should look at the batting of Chanderpaul and try to emulate him? Certainly, we would not want to see Bravo in a limited overs match, face 106 deliveries and scrape 44 runs without stiking even one boundary

  • Rahul_78 on April 17, 2011, 6:38 GMT

    This is ridiculous..in normal world selectors are supposed to select the team and players lead by the captain needs to go on the field and perform to the best of their ability. No player in the world has born with the right to be selected in the team weather it is Sir Viv Richards or Bradmen or Tendulkar. What makes a players body question judgement of the selectors? Gayle hasn't even chosen to take the central contract offered to him. In fact he should be happy that he can now go and play T20 all across the world and in his backyard also if he wishes to do so. These are muddled waters indeed.

  • on April 17, 2011, 5:58 GMT

    How can the WICB expect the younger players that they want to give exposure to perform well without the guidance and intervention of senior players such as Gayle, Sarwan and Chanderpaul. Leaving them out of the Squad won't make the team any better. What is most likely to happen is that the fans that usually support the WI team will boycott matches and the WICB will lose in the long run. I am one of those persons who don't think that it's the total fault of the senior players for the poor WC performance and I also think the the WIPA is making matters worst; right now cricket for West Indian players seems to be more about money rather than pride. Gone were those days. Long gone. Why does Pollard still play in the IPL??? MONEY... And his game is getting no better. What will happen since most likely he won't get much in with the bat, if ever he does; come IPL 2012 he will get the same deal Gayle got, then he will then turn back to WI for a fixed placement. I AM A TIRED & WEARY WI FAN.

  • b4u8me2 on April 17, 2011, 5:48 GMT

    Why are people bashing WIPA for standing up for the players. At least this time I cannot say they are wrong. WICB is blaming the senior players, namely Gayle, Sarwan and Chanders for a failed World cup campaign. At least they got to the quarter finals ... the same stage the defending champions got to. But lets look even closer at why WI did not do as well as people wanted them to: 1. Neither Sammy or Thomas contributed anything to the team during the entire world cup ... not even against non test playing nations - so essentially WI was playing with 9 players. 2. We shud have won against England when Sarwan and Russell battled their hearts out but as soon as Russell got out the others came down and could not stay there with Sarwan ... yet Sarwan got the blame. 3. With Sammy as captain the side is imbalanced as we end up either a batsman or a bowler short. 4. Gayle is unable to play his natural game much the same way Lara was unable to because when he fails the entire team fails!!!

  • on April 17, 2011, 5:44 GMT

    The WICB should just disband. If the WIPA has such issues with the way cricket is run in the Caribbean, they surely could do a better job running it themselves.

  • Rahic on April 17, 2011, 5:36 GMT

    Yeah, way to go WIPA. we need more groups and individuals to stand up against these bullies. I wish some of the prominent voices in WI cricket like Tony Cozier, Richie Richardson, Brian Lara, Michael Holding and Ian Bishop can weigh in on this issue. I said this from day one that axing these players was a well orchestrated political move which has no place in the cricket world. These three players are the core of the current WI team, therefore to exclude them from the upcoming series is an injustice to the team and its fans. The excuse of grooming younger players is a lame one. These three players are not old, they still have a lot to contribute to WI cricket. We need to put the pressure on the Board and its selectors to be less partisan and more objective in its decision making process.

  • on April 17, 2011, 5:16 GMT

    i can understand y they drop sarwan, chanderpaul and gayle. but y the hell sammy still in the team??? wi selector board is all crap.. no surprise bangaladesh was above them in the ODI Ranking and the will overtake them again soon.

  • chandau on April 17, 2011, 4:23 GMT

    chk this column out :)

    Thursday, 14th April We've all been there. You've finished washing your baby. But there's a problem. The bath is full of both baby and water. What to do? Do you carefully extract your baby then tip away the water? Or do you throw the whole lot out of the window? Well, kudos to the WICB. In dropping Gayle, Sarwan and Chanderpaul, they have shown us that there is a third way: lose the baby and keep the bath water. And if anyone carps, you answer them by saying that the door is not closed to the baby, he can always make a comeback, but it's time we had a look at what the bath water can do.

  • WestIndianAlltheWay on April 17, 2011, 3:48 GMT

    The WIPA have no legitimate argument for this inquiry. It is fair that they are launching such a claim to gain clarity on the selection process but the Board's decision NOT to include Chanderpaul, Sarwan and Gayle was the right decision. These three were supposed to do their job in the WC and sadly they did not. Sarwan's batting was horrible against England as he could not get the score going or even secure the innings. Chanderpaul's form has been poor. Gayle I can somewhat say that should be back in the squad but given his injury and the team's dependancy on him. Perhaps it is time for him to have a little break. The team should rebuild with young players who have heart and not who lack mental fortitude in big games. My only problem with the selection was Darren Sammy for Captaincy. He did not perform in the WC, so how can he continue to lead? Darren Ganga is the strongest captain in the Caribbean. His maturity and experience should be used now. Let him have a chance at least.

  • kingstonsfinest on April 17, 2011, 3:45 GMT

    OH Please WIPA is talking crap!!! They can not tell the selectors or the board who to pick to play for the team, neither Gayle or Sarwan have central contracts and even if they have contracts that doesnt guarantee them of being picked, so Ramnarine needs to shut the hell up, West Indies cricket is bigger than any single player. As far as I'm concerned the only person who should feel hard done about being dropped is Shiv and lets be honest Shiv needs to focus on the longer version of the game. Ramnarine is just vexed cause nobody is talking about him I look forward to Hilaire telling him to shut up and sit down.

  • cricketman96 on April 17, 2011, 3:30 GMT

    CRICKETINGSTARGAZER AND AKSHA1994 got to be kidding me. Stargazer tell me which team that doesn't have an impact player that the team depends on.Can't be India cause Tendulker is there:can't be SA cause Alma or De Villa is there.Can't be SL cause maralitharan is/was there.England's Trott. NZ vittori.Zimbabwe's Price.So where did u get the idea that in order for your team to perform better you have to drop your most explosive/experience player(s)?Whenever players like Ponting, Gayle, tendulker and other perform good, its the team that benefits.Yes, their individual brilliance r recognized but overall its the team that wins. Cause cricket is and will continue to be a team sport.I do question the wisdom of dropping Gayle from the ODI squad, and wonders if its payback for not signing the central contract .Bringing in new players is definitely the right thing to do, but u can't just drop all your experience players. Who's going to guide and nuture them? give a WI with bet'r stats.GO WI!

  • ARJa on April 17, 2011, 2:48 GMT

    And yet again we see why west indies cricket has come crumbling down over the last couple of decades. Can the players' association seriously think that Sarwan and Chanderpaul should still be in the team after their atrocious performance of late. Gayle might be an impact player but he doesn't look 100% fit. The players association should question Bravo, Pollard and Taylor for getting stuck in the IPL instead. Pollard hasn't had a hit yet in the IPL, and how he is improving his T20 skills is beyond me. Tendulkar don't let him bat higher as he has the interests of his own local players at heart. So more often that not Pollard will end up at 6 or 7 which is useless in T20. The players association just want WI cricket to suffer because that is the only way they can influence the game. The should take at least half the responsibility to the demise of the WI over the last 6 years specially from the time WI won the champions trophy in 2004 against all odds.

  • akshay1994 on April 16, 2011, 23:57 GMT

    In my honest opinion, I think that Chris Gayle is one of the most over hyped players in the modern game. When his poor average average is mentioned (the only top teams he averages over 40 in ODIs are England and Bangladesh), people resort to saying that he is an impact player and has a high strike rate. This is also a lie, he has a strike rate of 83 in ODIS, and only gives the illusion of being a fast paced player.

  • Reuelsean on April 16, 2011, 23:29 GMT

    both the wipa and the wicb has done nothing to improve wi cricket, both these groups need to be dissolved.

  • CricketingStargazer on April 16, 2011, 23:10 GMT

    This year Chris Gayle has 202 runs in 8 ODIs, 80 of those runs against the Netherlands. Over the last 12 months his average is even lower (27.5) and he has struggled against South Africa (130 runs in 6 matches), Sri Lanka (32 runs in 3 matches). He's been way below his career figures. In Tests he's had that monumental 333 v Sri Lanka and a 73 v South Africa in the last year and a big century v Australia in the last couple of years, so he can still turn it on in the longer format, but he seems not to be able to get enthusiastic about the shorter format, but the team has got used to depending on him far too much. When the senior players refused to play against Bangladesh, although the side was desperately weak, they seemed to play with more heart and unity of purpose without the stars, so perhaps this is a smart move to build for the future and to teach the youngsters that they should depend on themselves, not on others.

  • on April 16, 2011, 22:59 GMT

    There goes WIPA again!!!!!

  • Shilly77 on April 16, 2011, 22:06 GMT

    I can understand why WIPA are making a statement on this matter. The WICB once again are making the senior players scapegoats for a poor world cup. It not only about the senior players, it about the WHOLE squad and the back room staff!

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  • Shilly77 on April 16, 2011, 22:06 GMT

    I can understand why WIPA are making a statement on this matter. The WICB once again are making the senior players scapegoats for a poor world cup. It not only about the senior players, it about the WHOLE squad and the back room staff!

  • on April 16, 2011, 22:59 GMT

    There goes WIPA again!!!!!

  • CricketingStargazer on April 16, 2011, 23:10 GMT

    This year Chris Gayle has 202 runs in 8 ODIs, 80 of those runs against the Netherlands. Over the last 12 months his average is even lower (27.5) and he has struggled against South Africa (130 runs in 6 matches), Sri Lanka (32 runs in 3 matches). He's been way below his career figures. In Tests he's had that monumental 333 v Sri Lanka and a 73 v South Africa in the last year and a big century v Australia in the last couple of years, so he can still turn it on in the longer format, but he seems not to be able to get enthusiastic about the shorter format, but the team has got used to depending on him far too much. When the senior players refused to play against Bangladesh, although the side was desperately weak, they seemed to play with more heart and unity of purpose without the stars, so perhaps this is a smart move to build for the future and to teach the youngsters that they should depend on themselves, not on others.

  • Reuelsean on April 16, 2011, 23:29 GMT

    both the wipa and the wicb has done nothing to improve wi cricket, both these groups need to be dissolved.

  • akshay1994 on April 16, 2011, 23:57 GMT

    In my honest opinion, I think that Chris Gayle is one of the most over hyped players in the modern game. When his poor average average is mentioned (the only top teams he averages over 40 in ODIs are England and Bangladesh), people resort to saying that he is an impact player and has a high strike rate. This is also a lie, he has a strike rate of 83 in ODIS, and only gives the illusion of being a fast paced player.

  • ARJa on April 17, 2011, 2:48 GMT

    And yet again we see why west indies cricket has come crumbling down over the last couple of decades. Can the players' association seriously think that Sarwan and Chanderpaul should still be in the team after their atrocious performance of late. Gayle might be an impact player but he doesn't look 100% fit. The players association should question Bravo, Pollard and Taylor for getting stuck in the IPL instead. Pollard hasn't had a hit yet in the IPL, and how he is improving his T20 skills is beyond me. Tendulkar don't let him bat higher as he has the interests of his own local players at heart. So more often that not Pollard will end up at 6 or 7 which is useless in T20. The players association just want WI cricket to suffer because that is the only way they can influence the game. The should take at least half the responsibility to the demise of the WI over the last 6 years specially from the time WI won the champions trophy in 2004 against all odds.

  • cricketman96 on April 17, 2011, 3:30 GMT

    CRICKETINGSTARGAZER AND AKSHA1994 got to be kidding me. Stargazer tell me which team that doesn't have an impact player that the team depends on.Can't be India cause Tendulker is there:can't be SA cause Alma or De Villa is there.Can't be SL cause maralitharan is/was there.England's Trott. NZ vittori.Zimbabwe's Price.So where did u get the idea that in order for your team to perform better you have to drop your most explosive/experience player(s)?Whenever players like Ponting, Gayle, tendulker and other perform good, its the team that benefits.Yes, their individual brilliance r recognized but overall its the team that wins. Cause cricket is and will continue to be a team sport.I do question the wisdom of dropping Gayle from the ODI squad, and wonders if its payback for not signing the central contract .Bringing in new players is definitely the right thing to do, but u can't just drop all your experience players. Who's going to guide and nuture them? give a WI with bet'r stats.GO WI!

  • kingstonsfinest on April 17, 2011, 3:45 GMT

    OH Please WIPA is talking crap!!! They can not tell the selectors or the board who to pick to play for the team, neither Gayle or Sarwan have central contracts and even if they have contracts that doesnt guarantee them of being picked, so Ramnarine needs to shut the hell up, West Indies cricket is bigger than any single player. As far as I'm concerned the only person who should feel hard done about being dropped is Shiv and lets be honest Shiv needs to focus on the longer version of the game. Ramnarine is just vexed cause nobody is talking about him I look forward to Hilaire telling him to shut up and sit down.

  • WestIndianAlltheWay on April 17, 2011, 3:48 GMT

    The WIPA have no legitimate argument for this inquiry. It is fair that they are launching such a claim to gain clarity on the selection process but the Board's decision NOT to include Chanderpaul, Sarwan and Gayle was the right decision. These three were supposed to do their job in the WC and sadly they did not. Sarwan's batting was horrible against England as he could not get the score going or even secure the innings. Chanderpaul's form has been poor. Gayle I can somewhat say that should be back in the squad but given his injury and the team's dependancy on him. Perhaps it is time for him to have a little break. The team should rebuild with young players who have heart and not who lack mental fortitude in big games. My only problem with the selection was Darren Sammy for Captaincy. He did not perform in the WC, so how can he continue to lead? Darren Ganga is the strongest captain in the Caribbean. His maturity and experience should be used now. Let him have a chance at least.

  • chandau on April 17, 2011, 4:23 GMT

    chk this column out :)

    Thursday, 14th April We've all been there. You've finished washing your baby. But there's a problem. The bath is full of both baby and water. What to do? Do you carefully extract your baby then tip away the water? Or do you throw the whole lot out of the window? Well, kudos to the WICB. In dropping Gayle, Sarwan and Chanderpaul, they have shown us that there is a third way: lose the baby and keep the bath water. And if anyone carps, you answer them by saying that the door is not closed to the baby, he can always make a comeback, but it's time we had a look at what the bath water can do.