West Indies v Pakistan, 3rd ODI, Barbados April 29, 2011

Captains want more from batsmen

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Shahid Afridi, the Pakistan captain, while elated with the series win over West Indies, has stressed the need for his batsmen to step up. Pakistan took an unassailable 3-0 lead over West Indies in Barbados by chasing down 172, but they had to survive a top-order wobble as the first three wickets fell for 12. Misbah-ul-Haq, the Man of the Match, stabilised the innings and with support from Umar Akmal, Hammad Azam and Wahab Riaz sealed a three-wicket win with 29 balls to spare.

"There are still some problems, and I'm sure the management and coaches will come at us hard in the meetings," Afridi said with a chuckle. "The way the boys delivered in the series was good.

"The batsmen need to spend some time [in the middle]. We all know we made mistakes." Pakistan's batting, however, had come good in the first two ODIs where they chased down targets of 221 and 222 with considerable ease.

For West Indies, who are rebuilding after three of their senior-most players were left out, the problems with the bat were far more serious. In each of the first two games their batsmen were unable to build on starts, while in the third the middle and lower orders fell apart with the last six wickets falling for 21. The hosts fought hard with the ball, seamer Ravi Rampaul and legspinner Devendra Bishoo sharing seven wickets, but the runs on the board were inadequate.

"We as a batting unit, myself included, have to take more responsibility like Bishoo does with the ball," their captain Darren Sammy said. "It's about getting the formula right; we have had good starts but we haven't capitalised on it.

"The way forward is to gain experience. This group is not short on talent, we need to play and get more consistency. The selectors will meet now, maybe the team will stay the same [for the remaining matches in the series] but whatever happens we need to do well in the middle phase."

Misbah displayed lots of patience while steering his team out of trouble with an unbeaten 62 off 109 balls. At 148 for 7, the game was still wide open but Riaz, who had picked up three wickets, supported him well, finishing the game with two sixes.

"The pitch wasn't easy for us as there was bit more bounce and pace. I thought I have to bat till the end and we can win," Misbah said. "The ball gets soft as it gets old and you can handle it easily.

"I was telling Wahab to play his normal game. When just 10 runs were required, I told him, you can now go for one or two big hits."

Pakistan are currently ranked No. 6 in the ICC ODI team rankings, and will remain there even if they complete a whitewash. The system offers little rewards for wins against lower-ranked teams, and Afridi was critical of the concept. "I can't understand this system. There should be some advantage for the visiting sides as winning a series is never easy for them no matter who they're playing against," Afridi told Express Tribune before the third ODI got underway. "It's really difficult to prosper under the current ranking system. I have little clue what it is based on."

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  • bigrishi on May 2, 2011, 15:09 GMT

    personal attacks against anyone is not cricket...so let us move on, it is easy to throw blame around but we need to come up with solutions. i just read the chanderpaul article, and i am convinced that he can be picked above at least one of these current batsmen in the currrent series. however the west indies board has made abundantly clear that they are going with a policy of blooding younger players and that is fair, we need to give them a chance. if however the allegations made by chanderpaul are true, then it is blatant disregard, and disrespect for one of the bastions of west indies cricket. if they wanted him to retire they could have given a good send off and many thanks. could it just be cost cutting?...west indies board needs to become financially accountable.

  • on May 1, 2011, 12:19 GMT

    Afridi is right. No one can deny the home advantage and Pakistan hasn't got one since ages. The system would be fine if half the matches were played at home and half away, but with international cricket out of Pakistan, it is having a really bad effect on us. Also, I'm surprised because if west indies is ranked 8th, we are ranked 6th. It isn't a wide gap.

  • AyazNoorM on May 1, 2011, 9:57 GMT

    Afridi shouldn't talk about batting when he himself plays ill timed repeatedly failed pathetic slogs & gets out in no time

  • devocate on April 30, 2011, 11:00 GMT

    "A players heart cannot replace talent, effectiveness, efficiency and standards" we the West Indies have been coming in second place for too long. We are a result based society and clearly so far Darren Sammy hasn't provided, in my opinion the results we are looking for. This may sound harsh but the best thing that could happen to WI cricket at this time would be for Sammy to pick up an injury as this would clear space for some one who can be either a specialist batsman or bowler. our specialist wicketkeeper shouldnt be at the expense of an all rounder who clearly shouldnt be in the starting 11 in the first place.

  • PaddyRasta on April 30, 2011, 4:21 GMT

    Clearly the batting problem is not going to be solved in time to win the next match. They should concentrate on the batting lineup for the tests now and give those guys practice. Nash should brought back and dare I say it (as he is Australian born), forget the politics and give him the captaincy. He has shown great form in the recent 4 day game and frankly who cares about strike rate? WI can't even last 45 overs so it would make more sense with someone as the anchor of the innings. This would free up Sammy's spot for a specialist batsman/ bowler.

  • rayinto on April 30, 2011, 1:45 GMT

    Captain - you sure right. For 3 games in a row, we are unable to get to a minimum standard of 250 runs. So Sammy, CONVINCE THE SELECTORS TO SELECT BETTER BATSMEN in the side. They are MORE LIKELY TO LISTEN TO YOU. You have our best wishes. Let's see if you are convincing. GOOD Luck!

  • rayinto on April 30, 2011, 1:30 GMT

    Hillaire is leading West Indies to the grave with his "new blood" strategy. Well, it is not working as a sub-standard Pakistani team has them down 3-0.The only way to improve this performance is to pick the best team. Its painfully obvious that what you are doing is wrong and hurting millions of fans worldwide. I am all for change, but only if it is for good. Your strategy has failed. We have 3 world class batsmen in Gayle, Sarwan & Chanderpaul. Do the right thing. Bring them back. We will forgive you!

  • rayinto on April 30, 2011, 0:15 GMT

    West Indies need Gayle, Sarwan & Chanderpaul back. They are the best we have. Dropping them was the most foolish thing to do. Change is only good when it is for the better. Do the right thing and bring them back.

  • VivGilchrist on April 29, 2011, 23:44 GMT

    The ranking system is based on performances over a period of time. The 450th ranked tennis player doesn't go straight to number 1 for beating Nadal. The ranking system is based on consistency. I agree too much meaningless ODI cricket is played (3game series should be enough). Playing 3 games in a row in a place such as St Lucia ( 1 t20 & 2 ODIs) is really pushing the interest of the locals. Empty stands, but who can blame them? Give them one game and watch them pack it out.

  • FarazM.I.B on April 29, 2011, 22:49 GMT

    The West Indian fans need to give Sammy a break. I fail to understand why is it his fault if WI loses?!! Pakistan went through a similar rebuilding phase after the 2003 WC when so many senior players retired or were axed. When they made Shoaib Malik captain nobody was blaming SM for losing; it was the entire team's fault. Similarly they made Salman Butt captain and coincidently Pakistan won its first test against Australia and everyone thought it was because of Salman Butt and then he ended up getting banned for 10 years.... :/ you get my point? The team doesn't win just because of the Captain, we had two amazing bowlers in the side Mohammad Amir and Asif who led Pak to victory. The WI just needs to let this team settle and not make many changes; this is the mistake that Pak made from 2003 until now when Shahid Afridi insisted on keeping the same combination. This is how teams are built; over months and years not over single matches!

  • bigrishi on May 2, 2011, 15:09 GMT

    personal attacks against anyone is not cricket...so let us move on, it is easy to throw blame around but we need to come up with solutions. i just read the chanderpaul article, and i am convinced that he can be picked above at least one of these current batsmen in the currrent series. however the west indies board has made abundantly clear that they are going with a policy of blooding younger players and that is fair, we need to give them a chance. if however the allegations made by chanderpaul are true, then it is blatant disregard, and disrespect for one of the bastions of west indies cricket. if they wanted him to retire they could have given a good send off and many thanks. could it just be cost cutting?...west indies board needs to become financially accountable.

  • on May 1, 2011, 12:19 GMT

    Afridi is right. No one can deny the home advantage and Pakistan hasn't got one since ages. The system would be fine if half the matches were played at home and half away, but with international cricket out of Pakistan, it is having a really bad effect on us. Also, I'm surprised because if west indies is ranked 8th, we are ranked 6th. It isn't a wide gap.

  • AyazNoorM on May 1, 2011, 9:57 GMT

    Afridi shouldn't talk about batting when he himself plays ill timed repeatedly failed pathetic slogs & gets out in no time

  • devocate on April 30, 2011, 11:00 GMT

    "A players heart cannot replace talent, effectiveness, efficiency and standards" we the West Indies have been coming in second place for too long. We are a result based society and clearly so far Darren Sammy hasn't provided, in my opinion the results we are looking for. This may sound harsh but the best thing that could happen to WI cricket at this time would be for Sammy to pick up an injury as this would clear space for some one who can be either a specialist batsman or bowler. our specialist wicketkeeper shouldnt be at the expense of an all rounder who clearly shouldnt be in the starting 11 in the first place.

  • PaddyRasta on April 30, 2011, 4:21 GMT

    Clearly the batting problem is not going to be solved in time to win the next match. They should concentrate on the batting lineup for the tests now and give those guys practice. Nash should brought back and dare I say it (as he is Australian born), forget the politics and give him the captaincy. He has shown great form in the recent 4 day game and frankly who cares about strike rate? WI can't even last 45 overs so it would make more sense with someone as the anchor of the innings. This would free up Sammy's spot for a specialist batsman/ bowler.

  • rayinto on April 30, 2011, 1:45 GMT

    Captain - you sure right. For 3 games in a row, we are unable to get to a minimum standard of 250 runs. So Sammy, CONVINCE THE SELECTORS TO SELECT BETTER BATSMEN in the side. They are MORE LIKELY TO LISTEN TO YOU. You have our best wishes. Let's see if you are convincing. GOOD Luck!

  • rayinto on April 30, 2011, 1:30 GMT

    Hillaire is leading West Indies to the grave with his "new blood" strategy. Well, it is not working as a sub-standard Pakistani team has them down 3-0.The only way to improve this performance is to pick the best team. Its painfully obvious that what you are doing is wrong and hurting millions of fans worldwide. I am all for change, but only if it is for good. Your strategy has failed. We have 3 world class batsmen in Gayle, Sarwan & Chanderpaul. Do the right thing. Bring them back. We will forgive you!

  • rayinto on April 30, 2011, 0:15 GMT

    West Indies need Gayle, Sarwan & Chanderpaul back. They are the best we have. Dropping them was the most foolish thing to do. Change is only good when it is for the better. Do the right thing and bring them back.

  • VivGilchrist on April 29, 2011, 23:44 GMT

    The ranking system is based on performances over a period of time. The 450th ranked tennis player doesn't go straight to number 1 for beating Nadal. The ranking system is based on consistency. I agree too much meaningless ODI cricket is played (3game series should be enough). Playing 3 games in a row in a place such as St Lucia ( 1 t20 & 2 ODIs) is really pushing the interest of the locals. Empty stands, but who can blame them? Give them one game and watch them pack it out.

  • FarazM.I.B on April 29, 2011, 22:49 GMT

    The West Indian fans need to give Sammy a break. I fail to understand why is it his fault if WI loses?!! Pakistan went through a similar rebuilding phase after the 2003 WC when so many senior players retired or were axed. When they made Shoaib Malik captain nobody was blaming SM for losing; it was the entire team's fault. Similarly they made Salman Butt captain and coincidently Pakistan won its first test against Australia and everyone thought it was because of Salman Butt and then he ended up getting banned for 10 years.... :/ you get my point? The team doesn't win just because of the Captain, we had two amazing bowlers in the side Mohammad Amir and Asif who led Pak to victory. The WI just needs to let this team settle and not make many changes; this is the mistake that Pak made from 2003 until now when Shahid Afridi insisted on keeping the same combination. This is how teams are built; over months and years not over single matches!

  • Morfi on April 29, 2011, 22:11 GMT

    How about the following 11 for the Pakistan Test team for the next 2 years at least =/- a couple of players: Hafeez, Taufeeq, Azher Ali, Younis, Yousuf, Misbah, Umar Akmal (also WK), Gul, Wahab, Kaneria /Rehman/Junaid, Ajmal

  • on April 29, 2011, 22:10 GMT

    At least this new west indies team is bringing me some humour...I reckon I could get Smith out with my slow left arm..., poor Samuels hasn't played international in such a long time it's making him look all at sea, repeatedly slowing the team down after a good start from Simmo -- Kirk Edwards; completely clueless and out of his depth at English county cricket level, let alone international level. Bravo not really interested - and so he shouldn't be playing with such hopeless players...Roach disinterested - a specialist captain who can't captain or win the toss; repeated failures against spin.Just a joke.

  • Desihungama on April 29, 2011, 17:01 GMT

    Shouldn't Pakistan be getting extra points in case of an ODI or ODI series win since they are not playing a damn game at home? After all, it is the ICC that has stopped team from touring so for every home game played outside home (it's become a joke) has to have incentive.

  • NCassie on April 29, 2011, 16:40 GMT

    Marlon Samuels looks like he is school batting, baugh +thomas= Ramdin, bring back Ramdin, let Sammy captain the A team, Russel can stay, Edwards can't bat spin, leave the new spinner, ket Ganga captain the team!

  • cricket_for_all on April 29, 2011, 16:07 GMT

    The ranking system is surely not understandable. AUS is still #1 team while they were beaten up all good teams (India, SL and even Pakistan). If somebody win the world cup by default they should be the number 1 team (doing some kind of reference). There is no question that India, SL, SA and PAK are best four teams in the world.

  • cricket_for_all on April 29, 2011, 15:21 GMT

    All WI fans and Sammy haters; Did Gayle win matches while he was a captain with Shiv and all? the answer is "NO". Well, I would include Charder and Sarwan and I would also give sometime to this young team and Sammy to get some experience. Well Gayle play once in 8 matches and win the game(WI can do the same without him also). For me I hate to watch people like Gayle or Afridhi throwing wicket when it really needed (example WC). We need to understand that three WI players refused for central contract how is on the earth WICB will give them captaincy and how is on the earth WI people still believe them. They can simply say that I am not available for this match (ex: Pollard) since they are not bound to the board. I agree that WICB is not in this world rather they are in 1990. they should not schedule any matches during IPL time (simple common sense). Hope Shiv and Sarwan play again and give support to this young team. Devendra Bishoo is exceptional guy for WI future.

  • on April 29, 2011, 13:15 GMT

    Hey Clint,where were u living on Mars or in the clouds?this team was losing long before Sammy was skipper,and it probably will continue to unless it get more batsman that can make runs,everyone saw the problem with Smith when Swann bowls at him,now there is a better spinner so what do u xspect miracles?all can see xcept the selectors that the team is batsmen short,it only look like a batting team when Lendl and Darren is batting,Sammy should be blame for that coz, as i said before none of these so call batsman dominates our regional game where the standard is so poor.and he should make that a point when talking to the selectors who seem not to have a clue on picking a balance unit.6 bowlers 2 batsman and 3 wannabes. U have Dwayne Batting at 5 or 6 and he has never prove that he is a #5 or 6 so lay off Sammy,their are playing for the West Indies and their future.tell them make runs or be ship out. Please gave Marlon an eye check he is batting as though he has problems seeing the ball.

  • G4rgoyle on April 29, 2011, 12:58 GMT

    It is great that Pakistan is doing extremely well in this series however I wouldn't start the celebrations just yet. Despite Wahab's wickets in the 3rd ODI, he is not very consistent and the Pak seam attack in general is not at par. Afridi, while possesses strong leadership qualities has not been able to bat. I think he is at the end of the rope and PCB should strongly consider replacing him if he continues to perform like this in the remainder of the series. As far as the WI Cricket, their fans need to give their team some room. Constant thrashing of the team, in the middle of a series, does not exactly help raise the team's morale.

  • cgtboy87 on April 29, 2011, 12:44 GMT

    desperately need shiv and sarwan back to stable the middle.these youngsters are not ready...and no amount of experience will matter. its either you have it or you dont.

  • bbpp on April 29, 2011, 12:42 GMT

    Clint, Sammy didn't select himself so you cannot blame him....Mr.Butts, R Haynes & Browne picked him so they are at fault. The team is unbalanced with 2 so called allrounders and lack of 1 or 2 experienced batters (Gayle & Sarwan). A genuine allrounder can hold his place with one skill with the other being a bonus. Bravo has 3/4 each but Sammy is 1/2 a bowler and 1/3 a batsman. Samuels is trying to hold his place as Sarwan tried to do during the world cup and that is hurting their natural game. If Gayle's rants are anything to go by then this has to be Gibson's fault or the message that is being sent to these two who are our most naturally gifted strokemakers. Their game is being stifled and the team is suffering. Of course the selectors wouldn't know this since they were mediocre (but committed apparently!!!) during their WI days. I think the next WICB official who speaks of being committed should be "committed"

  • on April 29, 2011, 11:43 GMT

    when WI played agains SL,SA,and AUS in 2010 they all got the points but when it comes to pakistan WI is low ranked team?wot about PAk?PAK is on num 6 theres no much diffrence between pak and WI ranking.its mean when PAK will play against SA or AUS OR SL they will not get any points if they beat pak bcz PAK is low ranked team compare to them?u cannot beat top ranked teams all the time bcz they r best teams thats y they r on top,and series against poor teams u dont get every year and its the advantige to maintain ur ranking .

  • on April 29, 2011, 11:16 GMT

    They will never get 'the formula right' while you are captain, Mr Sammy. Based on what we are seeing, you are just 'the captain' and nothing else - no genuine role in terms of real cricketing skills or 'leadership' skills. You need therefore, to make way for those guys such as Russell and Ramphal to exploit the much more superior skills that they are born with, to the benefit of the team. That would also give the selectors the chance to pick one or two experienced batsman of proven substance (Chanderpaul, Sarwan, Gayle) who, with you out of their way, would now feel psychologically better to guide the younger guys to develop better international careers. Mr Sammy, as a human, do you think it is easy for a player such as Chanderpaul, who with flying colours has proven to the world his worth as an international cricketer, to be inspired by you to give 100% on any cricket field in the world, when you who are nothing but 'a fringe cricketer' is his boss?

  • on April 29, 2011, 11:15 GMT

    @aina maria WI is ranked 9th now, WI now slipped below BD in the ranking, BD ranked 8th.. though there is less difference in ranking, but there is a big difference in points. Pak has 104 points and WI just 66. so even if Pak lose alot of matches in next year, they wont slip below WI.. i dont know why people dont consider the points, just their ranking

  • on April 29, 2011, 10:56 GMT

    More than ranking, i m concerned about our batting failures. We desperately need a batting coach. The young batsmen must be taught as to how to read a given situation and play accordingly.

  • dmqi on April 29, 2011, 10:46 GMT

    Mr Afridi, the management should come hard on you as you are not scoring for a long time. This match shows that there is only one very dependable player in the team who can play as per the demand of the situation. He is Misbahul Huq and he should be the captain as he lead from the front, as he did in last couple of series. Misbah has definitely silenced his biased critiques. Complain about ICC ranking? Beat Aus and Ind and get #1 position.

  • Stark62 on April 29, 2011, 10:19 GMT

    Afridi FORGET THE STUPID RANKINGS!!!!

    We don't care if, your 1st or 6th as long as you keep winning!

  • on April 29, 2011, 10:01 GMT

    Misbah shows all of the benefits of having a cool, experienced batsman in the middle order guiding the chase. West Indies selectors please take note...

  • on April 29, 2011, 9:22 GMT

    Afridi is right. No one can deny the home advantage and Pakistan hasn't got one since ages. The system would be fine if half the matches were played at home and half away, but with international cricket out of Pakistan, it is having a really bad effect on us. Also, I'm surprised because if west indies is ranked 8th, we are ranked 6th. It isn't a wide gap.

  • on April 29, 2011, 8:48 GMT

    Don't worry Afridi, just keep winning We don't really care about this absurd ICC's ranking system, Should we really care? NO. Should you really be bothering about it? NO .. Just keep winning that's what matters not a system of ranking which is there to facilitate a party.

  • smartguy786 on April 29, 2011, 8:27 GMT

    UMAR AKMAL must start performing now, he is the next senior most Batsmen after Misbah. He needs strong talking to.

  • on April 29, 2011, 7:46 GMT

    Because of this clueless ranking systems higher ranked teams usually don't like to play lower ranked teams. Since there is no advantage (apart from feeling good about themselves of thrashing the other sides) so the ranking system needs overhauling.

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  • on April 29, 2011, 7:46 GMT

    Because of this clueless ranking systems higher ranked teams usually don't like to play lower ranked teams. Since there is no advantage (apart from feeling good about themselves of thrashing the other sides) so the ranking system needs overhauling.

  • smartguy786 on April 29, 2011, 8:27 GMT

    UMAR AKMAL must start performing now, he is the next senior most Batsmen after Misbah. He needs strong talking to.

  • on April 29, 2011, 8:48 GMT

    Don't worry Afridi, just keep winning We don't really care about this absurd ICC's ranking system, Should we really care? NO. Should you really be bothering about it? NO .. Just keep winning that's what matters not a system of ranking which is there to facilitate a party.

  • on April 29, 2011, 9:22 GMT

    Afridi is right. No one can deny the home advantage and Pakistan hasn't got one since ages. The system would be fine if half the matches were played at home and half away, but with international cricket out of Pakistan, it is having a really bad effect on us. Also, I'm surprised because if west indies is ranked 8th, we are ranked 6th. It isn't a wide gap.

  • on April 29, 2011, 10:01 GMT

    Misbah shows all of the benefits of having a cool, experienced batsman in the middle order guiding the chase. West Indies selectors please take note...

  • Stark62 on April 29, 2011, 10:19 GMT

    Afridi FORGET THE STUPID RANKINGS!!!!

    We don't care if, your 1st or 6th as long as you keep winning!

  • dmqi on April 29, 2011, 10:46 GMT

    Mr Afridi, the management should come hard on you as you are not scoring for a long time. This match shows that there is only one very dependable player in the team who can play as per the demand of the situation. He is Misbahul Huq and he should be the captain as he lead from the front, as he did in last couple of series. Misbah has definitely silenced his biased critiques. Complain about ICC ranking? Beat Aus and Ind and get #1 position.

  • on April 29, 2011, 10:56 GMT

    More than ranking, i m concerned about our batting failures. We desperately need a batting coach. The young batsmen must be taught as to how to read a given situation and play accordingly.

  • on April 29, 2011, 11:15 GMT

    @aina maria WI is ranked 9th now, WI now slipped below BD in the ranking, BD ranked 8th.. though there is less difference in ranking, but there is a big difference in points. Pak has 104 points and WI just 66. so even if Pak lose alot of matches in next year, they wont slip below WI.. i dont know why people dont consider the points, just their ranking

  • on April 29, 2011, 11:16 GMT

    They will never get 'the formula right' while you are captain, Mr Sammy. Based on what we are seeing, you are just 'the captain' and nothing else - no genuine role in terms of real cricketing skills or 'leadership' skills. You need therefore, to make way for those guys such as Russell and Ramphal to exploit the much more superior skills that they are born with, to the benefit of the team. That would also give the selectors the chance to pick one or two experienced batsman of proven substance (Chanderpaul, Sarwan, Gayle) who, with you out of their way, would now feel psychologically better to guide the younger guys to develop better international careers. Mr Sammy, as a human, do you think it is easy for a player such as Chanderpaul, who with flying colours has proven to the world his worth as an international cricketer, to be inspired by you to give 100% on any cricket field in the world, when you who are nothing but 'a fringe cricketer' is his boss?