West Indies v Pakistan, 1st Test, Providence May 16, 2011

A win is a win

The success against Pakistan is not necessarily an indication of brighter times ahead for West Indies cricket, but it needs to be savoured
40

Don't look so sour. Despite yesterday's aberration, West Indies cricket is not back on track, and so many of you will be utterly relieved to hear that.

It is a measure of the enthusiasm-sapping impact of the staggering decline from the dizzying heights of 16 years ago, coupled with the unending series of controversies swirling around the regional game, that many people follow the Caribbean side these days merely to get more reasons to criticise and condemn.

In fact, the plummet from the summit has contributed to an intensifying of parochialism, tribalism, insularity and race-based loyalties to the extent that when, on one of those infrequent occasions when the team performs well and actually goes on to win, a new level of creativity comes to the fore as roundabout journeys are devised to navigate around the small matter of victory and still arrive at a destination comfortable enough to take a lag in the players' miserable tails.

Did you see the looks on some of the faces of those at Providence Stadium after Darren Sammy sealed the 40-run victory with his fifth wicket of the innings? If they weren't supporting Pakistan outright, more than a few appeared distinctly indifferent to a West Indian success that seemed completely out of the question after the first day of this first Test ended with the home side at 209 for nine. That they fought back and won on the fourth afternoon in defence of a target of 219 has briefly taken the air out of the tyres of those rolling along merrily with their respective agendas while West Indies slid from one humiliation to another, especially since the last Test win more than two years ago against England at Sabina Park.

Take the Trini breakaway posse for example. The members of this tribe support their fellow nationals to the hilt, but hope West Indies never abandon that losing feeling as it supposedly strengthens their case for the twin-island state to go it alone. Go where is not exactly clear, for the rules of the International Cricket Council suggest that it is long, complex and impractical for any territory to abandon the long-established principle of the West Indies as a unified cricket entity.

Then there are those who are not interested in any form of secession, but just put their own ahead of the broader interests of the team. So if West Indies lose, they lose. If, miracle of miracles, they win, they win. No big deal one way or the other, so long as Lendl Simmons and Darren Bravo are scoring runs and Ravi Rampaul is taking wickets.

More than any other sentiment, though, the most widespread concern will be that this hard-fought victory in Guyana will be a vindication of the modus operandi of the WICB

Just so that matters of loyalty can be complicated further, there's the segment of the population that values ethnicity above all else, even nationhood, so that the size of the Indian presence in relation to the African presence in the composition of the final 11 is of paramount importance. Poor Brendan Nash, who would obviously be classified as "other", just gets in the way.

And how could we ignore the issue of the captaincy, especially as it was presented on a platter to Sammy, and for an unprecedented extended first term to boot by his fellow St Lucians at the very helm of the West Indies Cricket Board? There is no question that his position at the helm creates an imbalance in the squad, both in terms of the depth in batting (Test average 16.10) and effectiveness in bowling. Still, there seems a general unwillingness to even acknowledge when he performs creditably.

If West Indies had lost that opening Test, it would have been Sammy's fault because of his mediocre all-round numbers (by the way, 36 wickets in 12 Tests at 26.25 with four five-wicket innings hauls is quite decent) and limited tactical acumen. Now that they've won means the credit is automatically shifted to the support staff, the individual contributions of other players and, of course, the spinelessness of the Pakistani batting. And what of the captain's figures of five for 29 off 17 overs (seven in the match and the Man of the Match award by the way)? Oh well, that's only because the man from Micoud is an up-and-down seamer flattered by an up-and-down pitch against players ill-equipped technically and temperamentally for such a challenge. Sammy must feel like building contractors contemplating taking the government to court over long-overdue money: when you lose, you lose and when you win, you lose.

More than any other sentiment, though, the most widespread concern will be that this hard-fought victory in Guyana will be a vindication of the modus operandi of the WICB. In this PR-driven multimedia era, expect mellifluous prose in praise of the boys from the much-maligned governing body, counterbalanced by a grudging acknowledgement of the effort by the West Indies Players Association that will not be able to resist one or two digs at the administration along the way.

Yet in the midst of all these complex and disparate interest groups, there will be a few simple souls who are just happy that they can savour a victory by their West Indies team. They know it represents no light at the end of the tunnel, no start of a turnaround, no new dawn, notwithstanding the tripe being uttered by those who should know better. For them, a win is a win, and in this protracted guava season, it will more than suffice, even if so many others around them are vex like hell.

Fazeer Mohammed is a writer and broadcaster in Port-of-Spain, Trinidad

Comments have now been closed for this article

  • Divinetouch on May 19, 2011, 14:27 GMT

    Fazeer,

    All I know is that ALLAH did not want Pakistan to win.

  • riverlime on May 18, 2011, 16:17 GMT

    (Fazeer, please forgive me this bit of fun) @Metman...You're not saying anything about the now infamous "No Cummins, no goings" boycott. On no other territory would the cricket have been held to ransom for the inclusion of a mediocre player. And your (ahem) "logic", viz. any supporters of England in Bdos are Trini's, merely suggests that Trini's will travel around the islands, pouring money into the coffers of the WICB. So who supports cricket in the West Indies again? Anyway, enough troll-baiting. Sammy has done enough , JUST, to deserve a place on a similarly flat St kitts pitch. Smith needs some practice against spin before being sent out against the lions of India. Baugh needs to take off the iron gloves for a change.

  • riverlime on May 17, 2011, 19:37 GMT

    @Metman.... Bdos always supporting WI cricket? What about "no Cummins, no goings." And as for supporting other countries, why do you think Bdos is considered "Little England"? I'll tell you why- it's because England have home support in Bdos. So don't lecture if you haven't studied the topic at hand. WI cricket needs fewer angry diatribes and more analytical insights. Do try to keep up.

  • gottalovetheraindance on May 17, 2011, 16:22 GMT

    overall a good effort but still sum errors cant be overlooked. we won this test due to poor catching & batting by Pakistan & luck more than anything else. here r the major errors 1- making a spinners track for a team with 3 settled spinners yet select 1 talented spinner & few of us can bat spin. The pressure on Bishoo+ inexperiene was most obvious in the 4th innings. he would have benefited if Benn was there 2 help. If Afridi & Yusuf/ Khan were in this test we would have lost 2- playing devon smith as night watchman & fielder, he cant bat spin. Roach or Bishoo r more able nightwatchmen. in 2nd innings sammy could have open & get runs by slogging since thats all he can do wit the bat. quick runs better than no runs. 3 at times we were 2 defensive- note how simmons, shaffique, umar& misbah mixed attack & defence! sarwan could have helped bowl Tiger& Bishoo played an extremely vital role & Sarwan & Nash fought hard. both were unlucky to get out, if not 4 dat we may have won easier

  • on May 17, 2011, 15:47 GMT

    naysayers will always be naysayers... this isn't a turn around, but a win is a win, and its nice to enjoy them when they come

  • Metman on May 17, 2011, 15:21 GMT

    continuing @ Lloyd Phillips......In Bdos,you get more WI crowd support regardless of how many Bajans are playing than in any other country in the WI,followed by Jamaica.If in doubt,ask any long standing WI cricketer.In Trinidad and Guyana,you often get scores,hundreds and sometimes thousands of WEST INDIANS hailing for the opposition.Those are FACTS ! not personal opinion and hearsay !What I want the ICC to do though ,is to split up WI cricket into the individual Islands,and let them compete among themselves on a home and away basis,and the winner or top 2,compete among teams like ,Ireland, Holland and a couple others,and the winner place among the test playing nations.The reason,biases and jealousy are rampant in WI cricket,from the Board ,the selectors and even down to the Umpires.Every body wants his countryman selected ,even if stats show otherwise.Umpires would deliberate make wrong decisions knowing that there is no review system in the WI,and then put it down to human error.

  • Metman on May 17, 2011, 14:42 GMT

    @Lloyd Plillips !How can Bdos be seen to want to break away from WI cricket when they engaged a rest of the world XI to celebrate our Independence ? Man some of yu come with some logic that boggles the mind,and because Frank Worrell said that we should engage the rest of the WI XI,instead .,it should be so? At that time we were fielding 7 or 8 players on the WI team,and we were beating established test teams,and by playing a rest of the WI XI, it would have been like taking lambs to the slaughter.Furthermore,playing a rest of the WI XI,was more likely to be seen by jealous opponents as being arrogant.There was no talk then about Bdos wanting to break away from WI cricket at that time,so don't put words in Bajans mouths.The only talk about breaking away from WI cricket is from the mouths of trinis,about a year or 2 ago,when they won a couple of titles,and feel that they are world beaters.Furthermore,Bdos is the no.1 venue where WI get the biggest crowd support ,and that is a fact.

  • on May 17, 2011, 13:50 GMT

    What Bangladesh did ie winning a series against West Indies (although 2nd str WI team) still Pak is yet to win a series against them.But my point of concern is another ie this was the great chance for Pak Cricket to win against them in WI.Normally subcontinental player's always good against spin,but I do'nt why they played so poorly.There are should not be no excuse only themself(Pak Team) to blame.

  • Cricket_Man on May 17, 2011, 9:28 GMT

    I am a Pakistani but i don't know why i was supporting West Indies. I wanted Windies to win. Maybe because they deserved it from a very long time or maybe i was so upset on how Pakistani cricket affairs are running. My passion for Pakistani cricket is more or less finished. If they win ok good, if they don't, who cares. And i guess many Pakistani now feel the same way. Unless something rejuvenating takes place, Pakistani cricket will remain mediocre and this cricket board will ruin our cricket.

    Well done West Indies. You deserved it for all the hard work you've done. Hopefully you will win more matches without Chris Gayle and Keron Pollard. Bishoo is my favourite cricketer :D

  • East_West on May 17, 2011, 8:48 GMT

    Loss is a Loss! Pakistan thought they can run over WI after Ajma's performance BUT couldn't deal with Pace! I thought Pakistanis are better at handling Pace:)) They surely missed Afridi:)

  • Divinetouch on May 19, 2011, 14:27 GMT

    Fazeer,

    All I know is that ALLAH did not want Pakistan to win.

  • riverlime on May 18, 2011, 16:17 GMT

    (Fazeer, please forgive me this bit of fun) @Metman...You're not saying anything about the now infamous "No Cummins, no goings" boycott. On no other territory would the cricket have been held to ransom for the inclusion of a mediocre player. And your (ahem) "logic", viz. any supporters of England in Bdos are Trini's, merely suggests that Trini's will travel around the islands, pouring money into the coffers of the WICB. So who supports cricket in the West Indies again? Anyway, enough troll-baiting. Sammy has done enough , JUST, to deserve a place on a similarly flat St kitts pitch. Smith needs some practice against spin before being sent out against the lions of India. Baugh needs to take off the iron gloves for a change.

  • riverlime on May 17, 2011, 19:37 GMT

    @Metman.... Bdos always supporting WI cricket? What about "no Cummins, no goings." And as for supporting other countries, why do you think Bdos is considered "Little England"? I'll tell you why- it's because England have home support in Bdos. So don't lecture if you haven't studied the topic at hand. WI cricket needs fewer angry diatribes and more analytical insights. Do try to keep up.

  • gottalovetheraindance on May 17, 2011, 16:22 GMT

    overall a good effort but still sum errors cant be overlooked. we won this test due to poor catching & batting by Pakistan & luck more than anything else. here r the major errors 1- making a spinners track for a team with 3 settled spinners yet select 1 talented spinner & few of us can bat spin. The pressure on Bishoo+ inexperiene was most obvious in the 4th innings. he would have benefited if Benn was there 2 help. If Afridi & Yusuf/ Khan were in this test we would have lost 2- playing devon smith as night watchman & fielder, he cant bat spin. Roach or Bishoo r more able nightwatchmen. in 2nd innings sammy could have open & get runs by slogging since thats all he can do wit the bat. quick runs better than no runs. 3 at times we were 2 defensive- note how simmons, shaffique, umar& misbah mixed attack & defence! sarwan could have helped bowl Tiger& Bishoo played an extremely vital role & Sarwan & Nash fought hard. both were unlucky to get out, if not 4 dat we may have won easier

  • on May 17, 2011, 15:47 GMT

    naysayers will always be naysayers... this isn't a turn around, but a win is a win, and its nice to enjoy them when they come

  • Metman on May 17, 2011, 15:21 GMT

    continuing @ Lloyd Phillips......In Bdos,you get more WI crowd support regardless of how many Bajans are playing than in any other country in the WI,followed by Jamaica.If in doubt,ask any long standing WI cricketer.In Trinidad and Guyana,you often get scores,hundreds and sometimes thousands of WEST INDIANS hailing for the opposition.Those are FACTS ! not personal opinion and hearsay !What I want the ICC to do though ,is to split up WI cricket into the individual Islands,and let them compete among themselves on a home and away basis,and the winner or top 2,compete among teams like ,Ireland, Holland and a couple others,and the winner place among the test playing nations.The reason,biases and jealousy are rampant in WI cricket,from the Board ,the selectors and even down to the Umpires.Every body wants his countryman selected ,even if stats show otherwise.Umpires would deliberate make wrong decisions knowing that there is no review system in the WI,and then put it down to human error.

  • Metman on May 17, 2011, 14:42 GMT

    @Lloyd Plillips !How can Bdos be seen to want to break away from WI cricket when they engaged a rest of the world XI to celebrate our Independence ? Man some of yu come with some logic that boggles the mind,and because Frank Worrell said that we should engage the rest of the WI XI,instead .,it should be so? At that time we were fielding 7 or 8 players on the WI team,and we were beating established test teams,and by playing a rest of the WI XI, it would have been like taking lambs to the slaughter.Furthermore,playing a rest of the WI XI,was more likely to be seen by jealous opponents as being arrogant.There was no talk then about Bdos wanting to break away from WI cricket at that time,so don't put words in Bajans mouths.The only talk about breaking away from WI cricket is from the mouths of trinis,about a year or 2 ago,when they won a couple of titles,and feel that they are world beaters.Furthermore,Bdos is the no.1 venue where WI get the biggest crowd support ,and that is a fact.

  • on May 17, 2011, 13:50 GMT

    What Bangladesh did ie winning a series against West Indies (although 2nd str WI team) still Pak is yet to win a series against them.But my point of concern is another ie this was the great chance for Pak Cricket to win against them in WI.Normally subcontinental player's always good against spin,but I do'nt why they played so poorly.There are should not be no excuse only themself(Pak Team) to blame.

  • Cricket_Man on May 17, 2011, 9:28 GMT

    I am a Pakistani but i don't know why i was supporting West Indies. I wanted Windies to win. Maybe because they deserved it from a very long time or maybe i was so upset on how Pakistani cricket affairs are running. My passion for Pakistani cricket is more or less finished. If they win ok good, if they don't, who cares. And i guess many Pakistani now feel the same way. Unless something rejuvenating takes place, Pakistani cricket will remain mediocre and this cricket board will ruin our cricket.

    Well done West Indies. You deserved it for all the hard work you've done. Hopefully you will win more matches without Chris Gayle and Keron Pollard. Bishoo is my favourite cricketer :D

  • East_West on May 17, 2011, 8:48 GMT

    Loss is a Loss! Pakistan thought they can run over WI after Ajma's performance BUT couldn't deal with Pace! I thought Pakistanis are better at handling Pace:)) They surely missed Afridi:)

  • on May 17, 2011, 7:23 GMT

    GAYLE TALYOR POLLARD ARE MISSING STILL WINDIES HAVE WON, AMAZING.. REALLY. SURELY THEY ARE NOT AS BAD BUT SARWAN MUST GO. HE IS A SHADOW OF HIMSELF. 2YRS BACK HE BACK WAS BRILLIANT(250..AND OTHER KNOCKS) AS WI BEAT ENGLAND SO WAS TAYLOR, GAYLE AND CO..TODAY HE HIS ON A SLIDE..MRLON SAMUELS IS BEST OPTION TO REPLACE HIM

  • simonviller on May 17, 2011, 1:43 GMT

    To some of you past players ,criticism is good when it's constructive ,otherwise you do more harm than good . Instead lend your support where possible and not decry those who are not now, as good as you once were . If West Indies team today had the talent of some earlier years ,the present captain would look like a genius ...Just my opinion !

  • simonviller on May 17, 2011, 1:29 GMT

    The complaints keep coming about Sammy's captaincy no matter the outcome . He must be a very strong individual to withstand all this negative criticism and still maintain his focus on the job at hand ,a testament to his fortitude as a leader . Some are still calling for another leader ,but who might that be amongst the fold ? We have no star players or leaders for that matter and the sooner we accept that and support him the better . A true West Indian he is ,or else he could have easily declined the offer to captain ,give all that we now know . ..... For you with the" small island" comment ,remember that good things come in small packages and you should thank God for the Small Islands amidst .

  • Silloh on May 17, 2011, 1:02 GMT

    Good article Faz ...yes, we waited a long time for this win and thanks to Sammy and the team / coaches etc. Does not mean of course our problems are resolved, but how we overcome them and the process applied are what matters Celebrate guys, but go back to the replays to see the missed opportunities. For the next game, I would like to see two changes ie . Brathwaite and Fidel Edwards, in for Smith and Roach. Doesn't mean these two are gone permanently . But Smith seems to be troubled by spin and Roach looks to be carrying some injury or just temporary out of form.On that pitch it's difficult to judge the batting and Desmond Haynes can just do so much. Michael Holding seem to be a much balanced commentator now, but hopefully Faz will be back for the India tour also.

  • on May 16, 2011, 23:05 GMT

    met man u have a short memorey b/think the could of break away too so it is not trini alone can u remember when b/dos challenge the rest of the world and was soundly beaten in b/dos even the great sir frank worrel advise them not to play a world eleven but play a w/i 11 so all of us have this belief that we can go it alone what we need to do is support the present crop of players with the technical know how of the game and w/i will be okay and trust me we r going to give india a run for their money come later this month fazeer what u say about guyana is so true i am a guyanese and it is those attitude by a certain section of the people that goes to see cricket in guyana is 1 of the reason why i had stop going to watch cricket theretheywill support any touring team before they support the w/i even when we were world champion so it is no surprise to me that they wanted pakistan to win

  • JiggsBda on May 16, 2011, 22:45 GMT

    Well done Windies, Well done WICB

    If you continue to give the right balance of youth and experience and have the fortitude to back your decisions we will surely prosper over time.

    Hold your head up Mr. Sammy

  • on May 16, 2011, 21:58 GMT

    I agree with almost all that the writer said, except with the vindication stuff, win or lose the BOARD made the right move to axe and rebuild. I always said the move against SHIV was wrong. TO play SAR was home town decision.SAMUELS should replace him for what it worth.WE were going nowhere with the likes of SAR and u know WHO.PRESENTLY we have a formidable bowling attack, one that can deal with both PAK and INDIA.WE need to set batting targets and work to achieve such. AN encouraging win.

  • mso797 on May 16, 2011, 21:00 GMT

    u're so rigth one game everbody comes in and contributes to make an outstanding win than the next day they let that got to there heads and make daft shots then they go out for such a low number than the bowlers got it the worst because they cant play with the ball jus like bishoo in the first odis personally whenever conditions r normal always bowl first

  • riptack on May 16, 2011, 20:59 GMT

    I love Chris Gayle, Chanders, Sarwan, etc. But the man I RESPECT most of all is Darren Sammy!!!!

  • on May 16, 2011, 20:14 GMT

    Just wanna say that it was an even match, and WI won it, as they performed when they should have. I hope to see them play well. And try not to collapse. Pakistan will also bounce back and fight better.

  • on May 16, 2011, 19:30 GMT

    What I do not understand is why some people view Sammy as a Peripheral player and dispute his position in the team. The fact of the matter is that Sammy statistically is the best bowler that West Indies have over the years. He gets a wicket in every 56 balls, second only to Roach's 54 balls, and compared with 60, 61, 76,86 and 88 balls for Edwards, Taylor, Bravo, Benn and Rampaul, respectively. He has the best bowling average, 26.25. With the exception of Kemar Roach (28.6) the average of the others ranged from 35.6 to 46.7. Sammy also has the best economy rate and gets a 5 wicket hall in every 6 innings. Of the other aforementioned bowlers, Benn comes the closest by doing it in every 9 innings. The objective of bowling in test cricket, is to take as wickets in as quick, efficient and economical way as possible. Darren Sammy has been doing just that unknown to those who are blinded and imprisoned by the legacy of quick and intimidatory bowling.

  • Metman on May 16, 2011, 18:52 GMT

    One thing for sure,the WI win and especially Sammy's performance,have some of the detractors making a bee line back through the woodwork like termites.@drtrinileggie ! Ganga capt.and Ramdin v.capt ,right and logical? man,you are trying hard to outdo yourself as far as being bias is concern.Man,the only people that would agree with you are the people at WASA.People calling for TnT to break away,and go it alone,you mean break away from Tobago,and then play each other on a home away basis throughout the year ? like if the ICC is going to place them among the big guns of world cricket.In the history of WI cricket,trinis have not been known to be world beaters,trinis have not been known to have excelled on the world stage.That title goes to Bdos,who can easily field an all time great WI team.When Bajans were dominating the WI team,the WI were world champions,we never thought about breaking away.,now you have 3 and 4 sometimes 5 mediocre players on the team,and u talk about breaking away !

  • khurramsch on May 16, 2011, 18:29 GMT

    yes 1 win is not everything but 1 win is a boost in confidence & can help in future to improve when u see this win in teams prespective WI not wining anything in recent times & pakistan going all sort of troubles. so this win for WI is very good for them I think main reason for pak loss was 9th,10th wcket in 1st inings & 10th in 2nd ings partnrship of WI . & thts where they won this match. otherwise both were same thats the diffrence.

  • on May 16, 2011, 18:17 GMT

    Boo Hoo Hoo. Sammy has lead us to a position that we can't lose the series. He has done this without the so called BIG STARS supporting him. We need to get our boys even more physically fit and the success will start to come. Go WINDIES of any ethnicity or nation.

  • on May 16, 2011, 18:06 GMT

    excellent article by Faz...

  • fooyoung on May 16, 2011, 17:57 GMT

    Sammy did a great job as captian and bowler,albeit against a weak Pakistani batting line up and a helpful wicket. Should he win the test series and then follow that up with a strong performance against India with both bat and ball, his troops will be inspired and they can surprise India. However, Devon Smith must be replaced with young Kraigg Brathwaite and Sarwan has to give way to Marlon Samuels. In Jamaica and Barbados, Fidel Edwards has to play against India whose batting is much stronger than Pakistan's but they don't handle short pitched bowling very well. Poor Bishoo may have to sit out these 2 test matches, especially if Rampaul and Roach are fit and continue to bowl well.

  • Rage468 on May 16, 2011, 17:45 GMT

    its always like that for pak only.. if bad pak beats good pak, they always lose matches whatever their oponents and vice versa......... this happened in this match too when their AWESOME fielding contributed to the loss

  • abiose on May 16, 2011, 17:30 GMT

    I'm a fan of Fazeer's writing, excellent insight,sad but truthful. By the way I was disgusted by all the quarelling here in Guyana over sarwan and Chandrpaul simply because we still don't see the big picture. A cricket team is more than individual talented players, leadership is needed. Sammy is not the best allround player but there is no one else who is fully committed, passionate and has sufficient guile ti lead WI right now. I will have one change for the next test, Samuels in and Smith out. Without Ajmal, Pakistan will not be very competitive, they need Yusuff and Yunis.

  • Biggus on May 16, 2011, 17:22 GMT

    @Rhonda S. Garcia-A most erudite and encouraging post. Respect!

  • on May 16, 2011, 16:13 GMT

    Mr. Mohammed, I have long admired your sensible perspective both in the visual and the written media. I have to tell you--the breakaway posse is both smaller and more strident than you would believe. Take it from a true Trini and West Indies supporter--I would NEVER want T&T to take the koolaid and try to go it alone. West Indies forever! Congrats to this team for overcoming long odds and so many naysayers. Finally--boys with backbone! Sorry Muhammed, but Pakistan did not beat itself. They team never came to the batting or fielding party. You can't win with one discipline clicking (and that, really just one man). Take it from a West Indies supporter. We know!

  • drtrinileggie on May 16, 2011, 16:13 GMT

    WI fans are fickle!!!!!!!!!!!!

    D Sammy IS MEDIOCRE AND CANNOT COMMAND A PLACE IN THIS TEAM.

    We shoiuldn't settle for beating a second rate Pakistani side. THIS IS NOT IMRAN KHAN'S BRILLIANT SIDE OF THE 80'S

    We should be aiming to beat INDIA WORLD NO 1.

    YOU THINK SAMMY COULD BE ON ANY OTHER INTERNATIONAL TEAM. NO!!!!!

    NOT EVEN SECOND DIVISION COUNTY TEAM.

    HE'S THERE BECAUSE OF SMALL ISLAND MENTALITY

    CAPTAIN D GANGA V CAPTAIN AND FUTURE CAPTAIN D RAMDIN

    NOT BECAUSE I'M TRINI BUT BEACAUSE ITS RIGHT AND LOGICAL.

  • Rage468 on May 16, 2011, 15:42 GMT

    a win is a win for sure.. even teams like ireland beat england and that was a win too... but this win hasnt changed much for WI.. they have to bring senior players back and change sammy as a captain.. he just doesnt have what it takes to be a captain.. I think WI didnt win the match.. it was pak who LOST the match... which they have made their habit of losing already won matches...........

  • on May 16, 2011, 15:41 GMT

    There is nothing special about WI in this WIN .. It was all About Pak... Pakistan Beat PAK ....

  • R_Joseph on May 16, 2011, 15:26 GMT

    While Windies fans are jubilant and filled with ecstasy at our win over Pakistan, the traditional Caribbean media lapse into their sage-like doomsday self fulfilling prophecy, and spurious analysis. Among the main culprits are Cozier, Mohammed, Bishop, and to a lesser extent Croft and Holding. Fortunately, we the people of the West Indies, no longer have to rely on their words of "wisdom" or folly, because we have social media like Facebook and Twitter and can communicate our views directly to each other. Yesterday there was an explosion of joy online by we the loyal Windies fans, thousands of us, and we were joined by cricket lovers from all over the world, willing Windies to do well again. Over 88% of the views were in support of Sammy and his team, (yes, I did the analysis). Pride and passion is back,win another for us, and let's leave the traditional media in their medieval stupor, clinging to their mics and pens, while we the loyal fans RALLY AROUND THE WEST INDIES. Hooray!

  • on May 16, 2011, 15:23 GMT

    Come on west indies way to go.

  • on May 16, 2011, 15:11 GMT

    Nice game, i do hope they keep it up, i like the vibes Sammy brougth to the team, as captain!

  • iqbaladnan on May 16, 2011, 14:55 GMT

    Dear Fazeer, An excellent insight. But I disagree with the last paragraph. I wrote on these pages prior to the start of test series that WI are serious contenders because they improved themselves significantly over one day series. I do not expect WI to give away second match easily either. Regardless of result, there will be a serious fight. Congratulation for WI for not only test win but also for a new dawn. I surely hope it is not a false one. A cricket fan from Pakistan.

  • on May 16, 2011, 14:50 GMT

    This is an excellent article by Faz and like the latter group, I'm just happy for a win.

  • Hindh on May 16, 2011, 14:43 GMT

    Pakistan must understand that only bowling cannot win a match . they have to bat and field as well. The tragedy is even pak bowling failed the moment they allowed the last wicket partnership to blossom. The overrated pak team has been shown its place.

  • riverlime on May 16, 2011, 14:41 GMT

    Fazeer, forget the Trini breakaway posse. That is just spoken out of frustration and years of hurt. When the West Indies were the (true and rightful!) world champions in the '80s, I never heard a word about anyone breaking away, and for years there was only Gomes who came from Trinidad. If WI continue winning , the "breakaway posse" will revert to the usual inter-island grumbling. Playing Devil's advocate though, perhaps there is something to be said for greater presence on the WI team from the two best teams in the region, i.e. Jamaica and Trinbago. I mean, seriously, MARTIN, as a spinner, when there are at least half a dozen better candidates out there? Having said all that.... WELL DONE GUYS...RALLY!

  • No featured comments at the moment.

  • riverlime on May 16, 2011, 14:41 GMT

    Fazeer, forget the Trini breakaway posse. That is just spoken out of frustration and years of hurt. When the West Indies were the (true and rightful!) world champions in the '80s, I never heard a word about anyone breaking away, and for years there was only Gomes who came from Trinidad. If WI continue winning , the "breakaway posse" will revert to the usual inter-island grumbling. Playing Devil's advocate though, perhaps there is something to be said for greater presence on the WI team from the two best teams in the region, i.e. Jamaica and Trinbago. I mean, seriously, MARTIN, as a spinner, when there are at least half a dozen better candidates out there? Having said all that.... WELL DONE GUYS...RALLY!

  • Hindh on May 16, 2011, 14:43 GMT

    Pakistan must understand that only bowling cannot win a match . they have to bat and field as well. The tragedy is even pak bowling failed the moment they allowed the last wicket partnership to blossom. The overrated pak team has been shown its place.

  • on May 16, 2011, 14:50 GMT

    This is an excellent article by Faz and like the latter group, I'm just happy for a win.

  • iqbaladnan on May 16, 2011, 14:55 GMT

    Dear Fazeer, An excellent insight. But I disagree with the last paragraph. I wrote on these pages prior to the start of test series that WI are serious contenders because they improved themselves significantly over one day series. I do not expect WI to give away second match easily either. Regardless of result, there will be a serious fight. Congratulation for WI for not only test win but also for a new dawn. I surely hope it is not a false one. A cricket fan from Pakistan.

  • on May 16, 2011, 15:11 GMT

    Nice game, i do hope they keep it up, i like the vibes Sammy brougth to the team, as captain!

  • on May 16, 2011, 15:23 GMT

    Come on west indies way to go.

  • R_Joseph on May 16, 2011, 15:26 GMT

    While Windies fans are jubilant and filled with ecstasy at our win over Pakistan, the traditional Caribbean media lapse into their sage-like doomsday self fulfilling prophecy, and spurious analysis. Among the main culprits are Cozier, Mohammed, Bishop, and to a lesser extent Croft and Holding. Fortunately, we the people of the West Indies, no longer have to rely on their words of "wisdom" or folly, because we have social media like Facebook and Twitter and can communicate our views directly to each other. Yesterday there was an explosion of joy online by we the loyal Windies fans, thousands of us, and we were joined by cricket lovers from all over the world, willing Windies to do well again. Over 88% of the views were in support of Sammy and his team, (yes, I did the analysis). Pride and passion is back,win another for us, and let's leave the traditional media in their medieval stupor, clinging to their mics and pens, while we the loyal fans RALLY AROUND THE WEST INDIES. Hooray!

  • on May 16, 2011, 15:41 GMT

    There is nothing special about WI in this WIN .. It was all About Pak... Pakistan Beat PAK ....

  • Rage468 on May 16, 2011, 15:42 GMT

    a win is a win for sure.. even teams like ireland beat england and that was a win too... but this win hasnt changed much for WI.. they have to bring senior players back and change sammy as a captain.. he just doesnt have what it takes to be a captain.. I think WI didnt win the match.. it was pak who LOST the match... which they have made their habit of losing already won matches...........

  • drtrinileggie on May 16, 2011, 16:13 GMT

    WI fans are fickle!!!!!!!!!!!!

    D Sammy IS MEDIOCRE AND CANNOT COMMAND A PLACE IN THIS TEAM.

    We shoiuldn't settle for beating a second rate Pakistani side. THIS IS NOT IMRAN KHAN'S BRILLIANT SIDE OF THE 80'S

    We should be aiming to beat INDIA WORLD NO 1.

    YOU THINK SAMMY COULD BE ON ANY OTHER INTERNATIONAL TEAM. NO!!!!!

    NOT EVEN SECOND DIVISION COUNTY TEAM.

    HE'S THERE BECAUSE OF SMALL ISLAND MENTALITY

    CAPTAIN D GANGA V CAPTAIN AND FUTURE CAPTAIN D RAMDIN

    NOT BECAUSE I'M TRINI BUT BEACAUSE ITS RIGHT AND LOGICAL.