West Indies v Pakistan, 2nd Test, Bridgetown, 2nd day May 2, 2017

No-balls a sign of ill-discipline - Estwick

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We were sloppy between lunch and tea - Estwick

Twice during the second session in Bridgetown on Monday, West Indies were denied the wicket of Ahmed Shehzad on account of a bowler overstepping. In the first instance, Shannon Gabriel struck Shehzad plumb in front of the stumps, only for a review to show it was a no-ball. Shehzad was on 21 at the time and that delivery was Gabriel's sixth no-ball of the innings. A few overs later, Roston Chase, bowling off spin, would have had Shehzad out stumped for 32 had he not overstepped. Overall, West Indies conceded nine runs in no-balls in Pakistan's innings on the second day, eight from Gabriel.

It was the kind of performance that West Indies' bowling coach Roddy Estwick said was a sign of "ill-discipline", and prompted him to suggest some sort of penalty so that bowlers would start taking responsibility for these mistakes on the field.

"We have to make sure there is some kind of action starting from the nets, people have to be penalized for it," Estwick said. "Because you can't continue at the international level to be bowling no-balls. For me, it's ill-disciplined because you can go through ODIs and T20Is and not bowl no-balls, and then you come into Test matches and you are bowling a cluster of them. To make it even worse, the spinners are bowling no-balls and that is not acceptable at all.

"They could be fines, they could be any punishments - for every no-ball that you bowl, you have to do 10 sprints, whatever. But there must be some way that people will take accountability for what's happening. You have to accept the responsibility, it's you bowling no-balls. I can only help you prepare but when you go out in the middle you have to be as disciplined as possible.

"Just like, if a person plays a bad shot, there is nothing a batting coach can do about it. If someone drops a catch, they blame the fielding coach but I think it's all down to discipline, everybody making sure that on the field of play he is as disciplined as possible. I will try and correct it in the nets but it is up to the players to take ownership when they walk out on the field."

The no-ball issue isn't a new one facing the side. In the first Test in Jamaica, West Indies gave away 12 runs in no-balls in Pakistan's first innings, six from Gabriel. Although there were no wicket-taking chances squandered because of overstepping in that innings, West Indies still ended up conceding 27 runs in extras in Pakistan's total of 407.

West Indies did fight back in the final session in Bridgetown on Monday, taking three wickets in a space of five overs, but Estwick said the team would have to lift their game considerably given the lack of assistance for seamers on the track and Pakistan's score of 172 for 3 at the end of the day, 140 runs behind West Indies' first-innings total of 312. Estwick stressed they couldn't allow Pakistan to run away with a big first-innings lead.

"We were very sloppy between lunch and tea," he said. "That's the area that we have got to improve. We dropped one or two catches. We got wickets off no-balls. That's the focus we have to try and improve on because you can't afford, on an unresponsive pitch like this for seam bowlers, to make the kind of mistakes we did during lunch and tea. We came back nicely between tea and close of play but before tea it was disheartening to see the performance.

"We have to correct it and correct it quickly because we can't allow Pakistan to get a lead. Because once they get a lead, going into day three or four, that is going to be very, very difficult."

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  • Virtual78 on May 3, 2017, 23:02 GMT

    Sorry am I reading "suggest some sort of penalty so that bowlers would start taking responsibility for these mistakes on the field"...ok so what sort of penalty does WICB face for sacking most of the team and putting in inexperienced players? For poor and inefficient management. For lack of trasnparency. For destroying the game? What penalty do they face? Come on - does it matter? Papering over the cracks are we?

  • Cricinfouser on May 2, 2017, 21:49 GMT

    TONOBWOY I'd they don't bowl them at practice when the coach is there watching , then tell me why they should bowl them during a game. The coach can't be on the field with them. It's their responsibility to do their jobs effectively and professionally as well. The coach can only do so much. You should remember Sir Andy Roberts resigning in frustration complaining that the players weren't listening. Note we had better players back then.

  • mngc1 on May 2, 2017, 17:09 GMT

    WI need disciplined bowlers in all forms of the game. But just as or even more importantly they must be penetrative and create the chances to take wickets. For example Holder is very disciplined but slow and not penetrative. In 2 ODIs he gave up 104 in 10 and 91 in 9. In tests he lags Gabriel in wicket taking. In 37 innings Gabriel took 49 wickets. In comparison Holder had taken 31 in 31 innings. Therefore for Holder to catch up he would have to take 18 wickets in 6 innings and I do not see that happening. Test matches are won by taking 20 wickets and I would go for the wicket taker every time. Promote Holder up the batting ranks, bring in Blackwood or Mohammed and a bowler. Drop Singh, Hetmeyer and Hope who have all dropped catches on top of not making runs. Then we would have a chance at winning. IF scenarios do work at times.

  • Metman on May 2, 2017, 16:44 GMT

    West Indies need a DISCIPLINE FAST BOWLER bowling at 90+ mph who can take 3 or more wickets per innings and not one who has achieved that RECORD 5 years after he had made his debut. West Indies have an ILL- DISCIPLINE FAST BOWLER bowling at 90 + mph who after 5 years has more NO BALLS ( 91 ) to his credit than wickets taken ( 54 )

  • tonobwoy on May 2, 2017, 16:44 GMT

    NO! Mr. Estwick, no-ball is a sign of poor coaching. You are responsible for your bowlers' performance. Had you worked on their problem effectively, they would not bowl no-balls.

  • Cricinfouser on May 2, 2017, 14:21 GMT

    Holder isn't going to bowl any faster. He needs to learn to move the ball around

  • Cricinfouser on May 2, 2017, 13:36 GMT

    the bowling coach should tell holder to bowl more flat with some more pace and accuracy. at the present

  • Cricinfouser on May 2, 2017, 13:30 GMT

    RYAN RAMDIN the fact remains Ambrose was his coach and he wasn't getting wickets. The then coach Phil Simmons asked for who ? Estwick surprise surprise Gabriel got his 1st 5 wicket haul, tell me I'm wrong.

  • Cricinfouser on May 2, 2017, 13:27 GMT

    RYAN RAMDIN if Gabriel or any of the others isn't learning whose fault is it? Besides this is the best he has ever bowled in international cricket. Who do you think is responsible for that? I know you and other would like to give credit to someone else , but it goes to Estwick, and the bowler himself. Gabriel didn't just suddenly start bowling no balls did he? Stop nip picking . Responsibility is the word people like to place on somebody else for the failures of others. Estwick did his job now its up to the players to go onto the field and do theirs. The coaches can't do it for them. Personal Responsibility is what the players need to have but don't seem to have

  •   Ryan Ramdin on May 2, 2017, 12:25 GMT

    Cricinfouser - steuppps, Estwick is the bowling coach, he is the man who is meant to coach people like Gabriel to stop bowling no balls. Otherwise, what is he there to do?...just pick up his money and sit in the pavilion doing nothing? Well I guess at least he is doing that to a good standard.

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