West Indies v Zimbabwe, 2nd Test, Roseau, 3rd day

Zimbabwe surrender to Shillingford, again

The Report by Siddhartha Talya

March 22, 2013

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West Indies 381 for 8 dec (Chanderpaul 108, Gayle 101) beat Zimbabwe 175 (Taylor 33, Shillingford 5-59) and 141 (Sibanda 35, Shillingford 5-34) by an innings and 65 runs
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Shane Shillingford was among the wickets again, West Indies v Zimbabwe, 2nd Test, Dominica, 3rd day, March 22, 2013
Shane Shillingford was unstoppable in his hometown © WICB Media Photo/Randy Brooks
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It took just 42.2 overs on the third day for West Indies to clinch the second Test, sweep the series, win six Tests in a row and inflict another surrender to spin on Zimbabwe.

The hosts promptly declared during a 15-minute rain delay in the morning, and a solid start from the Zimbabwe batsmen was a hugely misleading prelude to what was to follow. Once again, Zimbabwe failed to sustain a promising phase of play long enough against a superior opposition. Shane Shillingford was their nemesis again, picking up 10 wickets in the match, several of which owed to the unsettling bounce he was able to extract from the track in his hometown.

The strategy for West Indies was simple, having successfully employed it in the first Test and the first innings in Dominica. The spinners, Shillingford, brought on in the 13th over, and Marlon Samuels, who picked up six wickets in the game, got the ball to turn, and more crucially bounce, from the off stump, surrounded the Zimbabwe batsmen with close-in fielders, who snapped up what came their way or had their team-mates in the outfield ready for opportunities borne out of a desperate attempt to find a release.

Vusi Sibanda and Brendan Taylor countered that pressure temporarily by sweeping Shillingford, Sibanda even struck him for six over deep square leg, but it was only a matter of time before the spitting bounce that proved Zimbabwe's undoing throughout the series returned to trouble them. Taylor was caught on the glove when Shillingford held his length back and caught at short leg.

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  • West Indies' victory is their sixth in a row. They have won two each against New Zealand, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Since the start of 2012, they have won six and lost four matches (two draws).
  • The win is West Indies' sixth in eight Tests against Zimbabwe. The two draws came in Tests played in Zimbabwe.
  • Shane Shillingford's haul of 19 wickets is the highest by a West Indies bowler in a two-Test series. He is also the first West Indian and 14th overall to take three or more five-fors in a two-Test series.
  • Shillingford's 10 for 93 is his career best and the best bowling performance for West Indies against Zimbabwe, surpassing his nine-wicket haul in the previous Test in Barbados.
  • Shillingford's 10 for 93 is also the fifth-best performance by a West Indian spinner.
  • The win is West Indies' second by an innings since 2009. It is only their sixth innings win since 2000 (two each against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and England).

Taylor's wicket marked the start of the spinners coming to dominate the innings, but Tino Best and Darren Sammy did their bit to end Zimbabwe's early resistance. Best was guilty of bowling too short, and Sibanda had cashed in, slashing hard through the off side and even driving handsomely for boundaries when the ball was pitched up, as he did against Shannon Gabriel. But Best went round the wicket to Hamilton Masakadza, who was also set, got him to seemingly glove one down the leg side, reviewed the "not out" decision and got it overturned. A possible reason for the third umpire to reverse the original call was a change in rotation of the ball as it reached Masakadza's glove, indicating there may have been contact.

Minutes earlier, in the same over, Masakadza had successfully reviewed another caught-behind decision, this time having been given out, though the evidence, in the absence of Hot Spot, was again inconclusive.

Just two balls after Taylor had been sent back, Sibanda played a rash shot across the line to Sammy to be trapped in front, his failed review confirming the ball would have clipped the bails.

With the top order out of the way, Shillingford and Samuels eased past those that came after. Sean Williams got a top-edge while trying to play a cut against Shillingford, to be caught at point, and the capitulation picked up speed following the lunch break. Craig Ervine survived 34 balls but was caught brilliantly by Chris Gayle diving to his left at slip to pouch an edge with one hand. The extra bounce in the track brought the backward short leg into play and Malcolm Waller found that fielder when he tried to work Samuels away off the back foot. Shillingford had, six overs earlier, dismissed Tino Mawoyo, forced to bat at No.7 after missing a good part of the second day's play, in the same region.

With Waller, perhaps Zimbabwe's best batsman in the limited-overs series this tour, back in the pavilion, West Indies required just four more overs to wrap up the innings. Graeme Cremer's stand-out shot was a six over long-on with his eyes staring at the ground at the point of, as well as after, impact, but inside-edged a catch towards midwicket trying the same stroke to give Shillingford his fifth wicket. It was also Shillingford's tenth for the match and 19th for the series - the best returns in a two-match series for a West Indies bowler, going past Courtney Walsh's 16 in New Zealand in 1994-95.

Paul Jarvis and Tendai Chatara lasted just two deliveries, Samuels hastening the end of a mismatch that continued West Indies' best run of consecutive victories in Tests - now six - since 1988.

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Posted by delboy on (March 23, 2013, 21:55 GMT)

@b4u8me2 the WORLD rankings derived by collating all performances against the qualifying team shows Sammy as the leading WI all rounder in tests and 50 overs.

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 21:41 GMT)

In two decades WI has won six consecutive Test matches. Indeed an achievement. What good was it to have a WI team captained by the record breaking batsman in the world and also at one time record breaking bowler in the world and you not winning. There is something about Sammy that you critics are to blind to see. There is something called discipline and God fearing and this boy from St Lucia has what it takes. HE is by no means a slouch with the bat,nor the ball; a greater fielder than any contender(s) surprises when all have failed yet when WI get onto a winning streak after twenty years instead of being happy they ruefully criticise. THe point is that a win is a win and lets BE HAPPY

Posted by delboy on (March 23, 2013, 21:38 GMT)

Why is a guy's position being questioned when his team is doing what they are expected and his personal performances are elevating him in the WORLD top 10? Do these armchair pundits respect personalities as a quantifier over statistics?

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 21:17 GMT)

Since Chris Gayle return to West Indies, they have not lost a test.

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 20:53 GMT)

Now we will have Marlon Samuels come out and claim the WI are back to become world beaters again. Playing against a lowly Zimbabwe shouldn't even be accounted for in the stat books IMO. I am not sure what the WI can take away from this series.

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 20:12 GMT)

Well, as per usual we win, yet Sammy receives abuse and disrespect on the comments. I agree with the comment that we were recently captained by our so-called better players, yet we were getting dealt with by all (including NZ, who are currently giving England a run foe their money) and yet along comes the Gibson/Sammy era, we start to get a 'winning consistency and we moan. Yes, it is only Zimbabwe, and yes, our six wins have only been against the lesser teams. However, do we not need to see who is ready for the next level in our team? We now have a settled team, with options for both batting and bowling. Personally, would like to now see Derlon Johnson get a go at Test Level (bowlng) and Kieron Pollard (batting). These two will now doubt help to add competition to places in the squad, plus both are match winners (Pollard's star quality already well known on the T20 stage) while Johnson continues to show promise. How we next deal with Pakistan will tell us more.......

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 20:02 GMT)

What an apportunity it is for us to be able to comment on our west indies cricket. It is indeed our business. But there was a time when West Indies was better , the time when my father listerned to commentaries on radio but such an avenue to communicate was not available. Not that there were no problems, in fact we went through some of the most difficult periods like players going to South Africa and many others. We should be thankful that we can express our views.. the foundation has been laid and we are rising. West indies forever the best for me.

Posted by tonyton on (March 23, 2013, 14:31 GMT)

Reading all the comparisons about driving BMW's etc etc, Guys its cricket. We have talented players. No one is knocking winning. But seriously, Zim had not played a test in over a year and they were supposed to be a challenge-not, BD had not played a test in over a year, again were they expected to put up serious challenge. Think Tiger Woods takes year off and come back dominating. All the comparisons are there to be made, but the fact remain, WI is a growing team, we had a good start, we have gotten back the attention of our youngsters. They are interested, they are playing and performing. We dont give them a chance, we will lose them again. If there wasnt better choices at the moment, then we could have agreed with the status quo, but there R, we need to use them, especially with practice games like we just had against Zim. That is not a test team, agree or dissagree, wont change the fact. WI selectors wake up, the real test teams will be here soon, step up guys, do the right thing

Posted by WestIndiesFan101 on (March 23, 2013, 14:03 GMT)

Could someone please tell me why our fast bowlers persist with this nonsensical short bowling...dont they know that if you bowl good line and length wickets will come...the coach should ban short bowling until they get line and length bowling correct. The purpose of new ball bowling is to get wickets and you cant do that if you're bowling short...all the great fast bowlers will tell you short pitched bowling is suppose to be a surprise...98% is line and length

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 13:36 GMT)

What good is it to give someone who cannot drive a BMW not because its a great car that means it can drive itself, remove Sammy now and that's what you will get

Posted by Reuelsean on (March 23, 2013, 13:23 GMT)

We win against a weakened NZ team, against Bang, and against a Zim team that hasn't played any Test cricket in a while, and we sing praises? I am glad we won, but lets not get carried away please. We still havnt been able to beat Aus, Ind, Eng, and all the other top teams. Sammy is a cool guy, but he shouldn't be Capt of the Wi test team, and Shillingford hasn't proven anything, happy that he got wickets, but lets be real, the guy got dropped last year in Eng, when he couldn't even get a wicket against them, smh. When he could do that damage against teams that are good against spin, then i would sing his praises, not before then.

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 13:22 GMT)

For the past 15 years WI been captain by some of our great batsmen. To name a few,Lara,Hooper Gayle we never won 2 consecative matches. Sammy has won 6 and you still disrespect his acomplishment. I will take this anyday,rather than being whitewash by SA. at home.

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 13:05 GMT)

Anyone reading these comments knowing nothing about the outcome of the math will believe windies lost!!! its like nothing Sammy do will be good enough for you people. I strongly believe that you people (Giovaughn Wilson) was happier when we were losing. Are you people forgetting that we first had the number 1 ranked bowler in the world and then the number 1 ranked batsman in the world as captain and we were being stepped on by all teams? Sammy is not the best but he has brought out the BEST in the team get off his back!!! BTW the more you guys hate him the more he make you all eat you'll words!!!

Posted by riverlime on (March 23, 2013, 11:15 GMT)

@colvillemounsey....If you are not happy with Ramdin, then who would you suggest could replace him ? He is still the best gloveman in the region, and has shown recent refinement of both his attitude and batting technique. As for Sammy, there are SEVERAL players lined up for his bowling, batting and captaincy slots. His batting in particular is, at best, a sort of Hit'n'hope style suitable for tailenders. His bowling is admittedly useful in certain conditions, and he should sometimes be picked on that basis. However, to assume that he is ALWAYS suitable to play as the CAPTAIN is to admit to a blinkered view of WI cricket.

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 10:50 GMT)

Sixth highest ranked West Indian test batsman (batting at number 8 mind you) , third highest ranked West Indian West Indian bowler and the only test all-rounder to breach the top 10 barrier in world rankings. For the last four test series Sammy's batting avg (batting at number 8 mind you) has been 31, 40.20, 41 and 41 and just in case some you bright people want to chalk it up to weak opposition, those series were against Australia, England, New Zealand and now Zimbabwe. He has has more than done his job as a line and length econ bowler, keeping things tight when Roach and Tino start becoming quite expensive and picking up wickets at intervals especially on harsh asian conditions. His test game has been far superior to his ODI and T20 since ascending to the captaincy, yet the bright people here wish to tell me he is the weak link. Meanwhile Ramdin just moved two points to avg of 25 while batting at number 6 (Just two points ahead of sammy) and not a boy looking to chastise.

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 10:02 GMT)

b4u8me2, if a specialist captain can motivate the 10 other players to give 100% effort and perform to the best of their ability, I would rather have that specialist captain, than 11 players performing at 40%. Just saying.

Posted by riverlime on (March 23, 2013, 9:53 GMT)

Can anyone seriously compare Sammy's batting to Dwayne Bravo's or Sarwan's, or think he has a better chance of getting a wicket than Permaul, Narine, Delorn Johnson or Edwards? Don't misunderstand me: I think he has a big heart and he clearly loves his cricket, but so do all of us, and most of the 6 million umpires in WI can see that he is only OCCASIONALLY in the necessary class to succeed at TEST level. And as for Shillingford, since I am pro-bowling , i would like to congratulate him on his 19 wickets. However, as a bowling purist, I must mention that even the most fervent supporter would have to admit that the more eagle-eyed umpires and commentators will eventually begin to question his action once again. It was questioned in the middle of a tour before and he was no longer as effective once his confidence dissipated. Please let him change his ways BEFORE touring.

Posted by AltafPatel on (March 23, 2013, 8:07 GMT)

Good performance by WI team. They need to stable with players. Seeing performance of teams like Aus, Srilanka, they can compete with more regular tests team and can improve their ranking. It's crucial time for them to build up. They need more longer format games to enhance the skill and experience. Well done team WI. Viv, Lloyd, Holding etc. will be satisfied now.

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 7:09 GMT)

West Indies selectors miss a great opportunity to select a few of the promising up and coming players. Zimbabwe was never going to be a challenge. basically we came away neither here nor there. the fast bowling was a lot of puff&fluff(BEST). Bravo head is not right (stuck on t20 mood). at this point he's only desired should be tests and odi. it's will be interesting to see Shillingford performed outside the caribbean, he could be a handful on the subcontinental pitches. Ramdin have greatly improved and can captain the team. Sammy! what can i say Zimbabwe was never going to be tested. i'll plea my case when one of the top five teams come's knocking.

Posted by grahaam on (March 23, 2013, 6:29 GMT)

The tour was always going to be a problem for Zim , ZC were in dispute with Ministry of Sport and Recreation over team selector criteria, Then they decided to tour without batting and bowling coaches, as a new approach to which they tried to add a theory! rather than tell us what we already knew. NO MONEY. This was not accepted by captain who voiced concern and then played the worst cricket of his career to date, trying to focus whilst other things were clearly on his mind. This would have effected the squad as a unit.Alan Butcher now departs Zim and I hope he will let us know how ZC works and why there is always so much controversy in the camp called Zimbabwe Cricket,

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 5:15 GMT)

@ Greyice b4 u make ludicrous claims there are always stats on the internet. Of the 7 series Walsh was captain he lost two, 3-2 in Australia & 3-0 in Pakistan. he tied in India 1-1 & won the other 4 series 2 vs New zealand , 1 vs India & 1 vs Sri Lanka, then the captaincy was taken from him & given to Lara & it all went downhill from there. Against weak opposition we can afford to keep Sammy as a captaining allrounder but against the stronger teams it would be best to play our best 11 of which unfortunately Sammy is not a part. Samuels & Deonarine are better allrounders than our current captain & i doubt Pollard , Russell or Bravo would do any worse. In the batting we have Kirk Edwards/ Fudadin & Sarwan & as bowlers we have Johnson, Holder, & Permaul. Sammy can always stick around as 12th man as his catching has improved drastically & is his best attribute. he can also play his role as a cohesive & motivating force as 12th man or as a part of the support staff.

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 4:39 GMT)

& with the Zimbabwean struggling to handle the spinners & Roach & Best struggling to make full use of the new ball was it so far fetched a decision that it never occurred to the captain to start the bowling with Shillingford & Samuels or even Shillingford & Gabriel? Sammy has been in the job long enough now man. Simple tactics like this should be obvious not rocket science. more than likely we would have bowled them out for less than 100 runs if we went with all out spin in the 2nd innings smh. tactilcal failures like these have proved & in future will prove very costly against stronger opposition.

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 4:29 GMT)

even though we have won 6 matches on the trot the quality of the opposition has been quite poor & there are still obvious instances where common sense & an ability to think outside the box are still lacking both on & off the field. with the obvious lack of quality of the Zimbabwean team why were the matches scheduled to start so early in the work week? it was highly unlikely that they wood have lasted 5 days so was it impossible for us to start the matches even on Thursday so if they lasted 4 days 'which they were unable to achieve' the spectators wood be able to come to the cricket on Saturday & Sunday? WICB continue to never fail to display their lack of understanding SMH.

Posted by inot on (March 23, 2013, 2:26 GMT)

Giving huge credit to anyone for these lopsided victories is akin to flattery. This Zimbabwe team is the weakest I have seen in 50 years. Most first class teams in other parts pf the world, including the West Indies could have defeated this team.

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 2:16 GMT)

On the other side of the coin. These results make a mockery of the much touted notion to group WI in a second tier with the likes of Zim, Bangla NZ etc. WI have just white-washed these three nations in consecutive series and clearly would be wasting time in such a zone at thisn time.

Posted by tappee74 on (March 23, 2013, 1:42 GMT)

This series clearly shows Zimbabwe to be below international standard.Their bowling is fair,but their batting lack stability.I am not taking any praise from the WI,they did a pretty job.Gayle, Chanderpaul and Ramdin have done well.Shillingford has made it clear that he is a bowler of some class while Samuels is blossoming in to a fine all rounder.Sammy still has a lot to prove as a captain.His ability to score is a question.

Posted by b4u8me2 on (March 23, 2013, 1:30 GMT)

Don't want anyone to think I have anything against Sammy. He's a great guy and the WI needed a puppet captain like him to do whatever the WICB asked of him. Other captains like Lara and Gayle was too strong willed and so were not easily controlled by the Board. Sammy has played his role excellently and we thank him. However, Ramdin should be captain and the best all rounder plays. If Sammy is the best test all rounder then he should remain captain and play in the test team. For 50 overs and 20/20 Sammy has deserved his place in the team. For test matches I think we play with 10 players and a specialist captain.

Posted by b4u8me2 on (March 23, 2013, 1:22 GMT)

Was funny to listen to Sammy's pre-match interview. He said they going in with the same approach in playing 5 specialist batsmen (Gayle, Powell, Bravo, Samuels and Chanders) and 4 specialist bowlers (Roach, Best, Gabriel and Shilly). We all kno Ramdin is the specialist keeper, so what is Sammy's role then - the specialist captain? I find it funny because he once justified his place in the test side as being a specialist bowler. Now he doesn't regard himself as a specialist bowler. If WI has the luxury to be picking a specialist captain why not Tamar Lambert who has led Jamaica to 5 first class titles and is unbeaten this season. I mean, apart from Gayle and Samuels, who hardly gets a chance to appear for Jamaica, there are no Jamaicans that the selectors think can make the test team so Lambert must be a damn good captain to have led such unworthy players to 5 straight titles. Point is - pick ur 5 best batsmen, best keeper, best all rounder and 4 best bowlers and then select a captain.

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 0:57 GMT)

Really ,you dont get to captain a team if you cannot lead from the front and absorb all the pressure ?? REALLY ?? Lara ,Gayle ,Chanderpaul ,Sarwan all failed to keep the team together for various different reasons.It is well known that as captain ,Sammy is not up to par with the other international captains ,especially at the test level ,but someone has to absorb the negatives .And as for the young ones ,Darren Bravo , Keiran Powell ,Roach ,Best ,Narine ,Ramdin aren't that great either ,so when these players get thier acts together ,only then will they become a valid alternative to sammy .As it is none of the potential candidates have the mental strenght to carry the team ,and make themselves the scapegoat to boost the egos of the other players the way Sammy does ,and that too is fact !

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 0:47 GMT)

Sniffleather you seem to have aproblem with Shillingford... he hadnt been given a chance on the team after taking ten wickets against australia on his home ground. the wicket was turning and wouldint it be a good thing to have the homeboy take another ten wickets... then u bowl spin. I guess Samuels is Sammy's friend too. the next person that should have gotten the ball to me would be Chris Gayle or even Deonarine. Ramdin does not have to mature any more . he owes west indies enough runs... is just a pity Devon thomas hadnt done well enough to keep him out of the side. He is not doing us any favour ... just paying his runs debt thats all.

Posted by   on (March 23, 2013, 0:13 GMT)

Does anyone really believe Sammy has leadership skill. Do you really believe that it took any depth of leadership to win against minnows. Samuels could have lead that team and came away with the same result. Sammy had the chance to show qualities of captaincy - insighfulness, decisiveness, shrewdness and calculated decision that brought about positive result against Australia. What was the result? A 5-0 drubbing! Sammy is baggage on the team, in the name of captain. It's time for him to go and turn over leadership to Ramdin. Less anyone forget, Shillingford played well against Australia in the Carribean, but when he went to England, his action was deemed to be suspect. The true legitimacy of his action will come when he tours outside of the W.I.

Posted by gtbadboy57 on (March 23, 2013, 0:12 GMT)

shillingford bowl more overs in the two games than anyblowers so he got more wickets than the rest what the fuss pakistan is next see what will be the result

Posted by mar2000 on (March 23, 2013, 0:04 GMT)

For Caribbean standard , this was a poor test match pitch . The kind of work that needed is soley lacking in order to bring back those "hard , fast and bouncy pitches ".

Posted by Swingit on (March 22, 2013, 23:58 GMT)

So stupid when west indies talk about small islands versus big islands or any such nonsense. I mean seriously people? EVERY island in the Caribbean is MINISCULE. There is NO big island in the West Indies set up (i mean is not like any even have the population of Cuba or Haiti!). where I live the SUBURBS have more people than some of those so called"Big islands." Enough already what does population size have to do with it? Would u rather be a cricketer from Antigua or from Kenya? Exactly, guess which has a much bigger population. And frankly EVERY cricket nation is a small island when you play against a country like India with over 1 billion people. Rell Ijiots sometimes West Indians. A team just won 6 on a trot irrespective of the opponent, so you leave the makeup alone. Why would anyone call for Ramdin over Sammy to lead the team? Thank god he had a decent knock or two in the last little while, but he is not batsman, no better than Sammy in the skill dept.

Posted by   on (March 22, 2013, 23:53 GMT)

Well played WI. Zimbabwea came to play test cricket and test cricket they played. They lost but it was an experience. They have bowlers that trouble WI batsmen. A few years down the road and they will climb the ladder. For all those critics on Chanderpaul, had he failed would WI made that large total? No way. He said the wicket was not an easy one to bat on and that caused trouble for the tourists as well.

I hope these wins bring about confidence in the team and challenge the stronger teams. I also see weakness in the WI team against spin. Sri Lanka, Pakistan and India will treat WI like WI treat the Zimbabwea team if they not seriously work on improving their batting on spin bowling.

Good performance from Shillingford who made use of his opportunity and come back. Well played Chanders, Gayle and Ramdin

Posted by   on (March 22, 2013, 23:29 GMT)

For your info grey ice Guyana is not an island . I was one to question Sammy as skipper but there is no doubt he brings his fellow young team mates together and that's good for wi cricket . Three points though 1. He should be captain for 20/20 not test nor 50 overs. 2 . Lets Dwayne bravo captain the 50 over team and rest Sammy play instead Gabriel ,Beaton , or Jason holder plus we got more young faster wicket taking bowlers. 3 . Let Ramdin captain the test team and give a young genuine batsman or bowler to develop Themselves and West Indies cricket . Sammy's a good 20 /20 cricketer I am hurt cause he is a nice guy but nice guys don't win test matches , players like sir viv, Lloyd ,Haynes ,greenidge ,holding,Marshall ,garner,Ambrose ,Walsh I could name many more of my and our true West Indies heroes

Posted by adkum on (March 22, 2013, 23:16 GMT)

Congratulations to Sammy and the boys on another convincing victory. But let us not get carried away with 6 consecutive wins. Of course it is an achievement despite the opposition. WI has done well and deserves compliments. I believe WI can do a lot better with the talent pool it possesses. But WI is still not playing its best 11. How Sammy earns his place is the biggest mistery in World Cricket today. Unless WI stop the insularity that exists it will not rise from the last 3 rungs of the rankings ladder. I do hope that good sense prevails and Hunte is not returned as President of the WI Board. To be really objective we should examine what role did Sammy play in these 6 victories. The only captain who was retained as a strategist was Mike Brearley but even his stint had to come to an abrupt end as his failures with the bat could not be tolerated any longer. Except for a few odd cases Sammy is not scoring runs and not taking wickets. He is no special captain either. Just lucky.

Posted by Meety on (March 22, 2013, 22:54 GMT)

@moramgo on (March 22, 2013, 21:01 GMT) - what you say is true (although I disagree about the NEED for Sammy to be faster). I would say though, that bowling is a partnership & Sammy keeps things a lot tighter than any of the other WI bowlers used in the last decade. This creates some pressure. I think he is a good foil to Roach (he of the brilliant S/R but wild radar). Sammy plays a part - doesn't always get the wicket next to his name, but he contributes with the pressure.

Posted by Meety on (March 22, 2013, 22:51 GMT)

There is talent in the Zim side. They however, are playing the WRONG team! They should be playing Bangladesh every year in Tests AND ODIs (home & away). They can't expect to out of the blue compete with the WIndies over there. I know Bangladesh is in SL, but there was scope to play a few months back. It would of provided some great experience against a side that is not too far (yet), above them. @tonyton on (March 22, 2013, 20:59 GMT) - mate, I think the reason why Sammy gets selected is, unlike other WI players, he seems the most capable of doing what the coach asks him to do, & seems to get the best out of his team mates. I think the WI have ALWAYS had the talent to beat anyone, but have underperformed for a decade. The Sammy years (IMO), will be looked at, as an important period of re-build in WI cricket. I do tend to think that he is coming close to his use-by date, but the fringe players need to be putting the pressure on.

Posted by vrn59 on (March 22, 2013, 22:27 GMT)

Although Sammy's leadership has really helped the West Indies, I still think he doesn't deserve a place in the Test XI. Although he generally contributes somehow, he's just not the match-winning type of player.

My WI XI without Sammy (although I am sure he won't be dropped): Chris Gayle, Kieron Powell, Darren Bravo, Marlon Samuels (C), Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Denesh Ramdin (wk), Dwayne Bravo, Tino Best, Kemar Roach, Shane Shillingford, Shannon Gabriel.

I would somehow like to squeeze in Ramnaresh Sarwan, maybe even as captain. The batting looks solid with Gayle, Samuels and Chanderpaul lending form and experience to Powell and Bravo, who both look very good, especially Bravo, whose elder brother is a handy allrounder to have in the team, if he focuses more on his five-day game. Ramdin is a decent keeper, Shillingford looks great (backup-Bishoo, Permaul, Narine) and the fast bowling attack is potent, with reserves like Ravi Rampaul and Fidel Edwards available.

Posted by KDLarsen on (March 22, 2013, 22:24 GMT)

I wonder what's stopping Bangladesh and Zimbabwe from setting up tours of 2-3-4 tests against each other? Other than the pathetic future tours programme (which noone can make heads nor tails of anyway, owing to the frequent rescheduling of tours), and perhaps the ICC wagging their finger.

Throw Ireland into the mix as well, with either some unofficial tests or just play 4-day games. They'll be hungry for some more 4/5-day action, so I'm sure some common ground can be found.

Posted by geygoose on (March 22, 2013, 22:05 GMT)

I think that we are truly a troubled people. Now that we are winning it seems that the call is for Sammy's place in the team to be surrendered to someone else. Those who are calling for his head must first have a look at the icc player stats. Before irrational comments are made as to what a bad or good player one is please have a look at the facts. Are you willing to give up on the most successful captain in recent times who has just brought us success in world t20 and led us to six test victories? The team is a young one and in the building stages and everyone must take his time in getting to the pinnacle of success. Patience is a virtue and my mom always said that if you have that you can see an ant belly. Wait and be patient people of the Caribbean. The cricketers of today are faced with new challenges which are more mental than physical and we were dominated for so long. We are now at the point where we have finally started to show some form ... are we willing to just destroy it?

Posted by yocasi on (March 22, 2013, 21:36 GMT)

Well done, Sammy & Co.! It's good to develop the habit of winning, regardless of the opposition's strength.

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (March 22, 2013, 21:06 GMT)

Zim need a whole lot more 5 day cricket. The bigger nations are not going to queue up to play them but the likes of Bangladesh and the lower teams cabn play their part and games v Ireland etc though not Tests would not hurt. They are not without hope but really need to string performances together. Batting for mpore than an hour seems to be a problem as well as putting together 6 over spells. Wi may have won 6 games on the trot but only NZ presented serious opposition.

Posted by moramgo on (March 22, 2013, 21:01 GMT)

I agree with tonyton. Sammy is clearly a good captain but his ability at test level will be questioned unless he can bowl a lot faster and get more wickets. 77 wickets from 59 innings with 24 of those from 5 innings ( 53 from 54 innings) is there a question here? How about 53 innings with 5 innings with more than 50 runs. Sammy has a big heart I hope his ability at the test level improves for the team to win against the top 5 teams.

Posted by tonyton on (March 22, 2013, 20:59 GMT)

@ greyicce, if you did READ, then why you mentioning about Shilli results against visiting teams in the Caribbean. Also, READ, no one questions Sammy leadership skills.These days we are fortunate to have 3 specialities in Cricket. Test, ODI and T20, I do say that Sammy is the right man for T20 and ODI captaincy. The consensus is, you dont get a spot on a team because of your leadership skills alone. If you have ever played team sports, you know every member of the team have to perform and perform at the top to be selected. Can you honestly say that Sammy's performaces gets him selected on WI test team? If you do find a way to justify that he does, then you do not really follow WI cricket or know anything about the talent pool we have presently. Look at the better teams today, almost all have 2 different teams, one for the shorter forms and another for tests. WI tried it against Zim durign this tour. Worked fine, but we need to step up our test selection. wont face Zim,BD and NZ always

Posted by Greyicce on (March 22, 2013, 20:23 GMT)

@tonyton. You need to read my response and I did read your comment. I am not comparing Sammy to the greats such as Lara and Walsh in relation to their batting and bowling respectively but in relation to their leadership skill. In the era of Lara and Walsh West Indies had better individual talents yet they hardly won a test series. Having talent and skill is one thing but having the leadership skill to harness and bring those things together is another thing.

Posted by   on (March 22, 2013, 20:18 GMT)

Well done west Indies. I was at home on sick leave recovering from dengue. This performance helped me. Keep it up. Avoid injuries in the ipl champion trophy is. Ne xt.

Posted by Thefakebook on (March 22, 2013, 19:59 GMT)

Congrats to the Windies for 6th test win in row! Finally they are on greener side,and don't matter what competition they play,you can only play what you are given. Shillingford looks like a good spinner but has to do well in AUS,Eng and SA then we can see how great he is.For now its party time in the Caribbean.

Posted by tonyton on (March 22, 2013, 19:52 GMT)

@greyicce, When you chose to reply to a posting , Please READ carefully before you reply. I never questioned Sammy's leadership abilities. I still think he is the best captain for the shorter forms, ODI's and T20. Also, are you serious, you want to compare Gayle, Lara and Walsh to Sammy. Dude I am sure you are aware that all of those guys held their places on the team on performance and talent/skill. The captaincy was just handed to them. Actually for Gayle and Lara it proved a hindrance to their own game at times. Also, you talked about Shilli against Aus (Carribean), Did you READ?? I stressed OUTSIDE the Carribean. I think you have some pent up frustrations and replying to some imagined slight you think I or others might have to smaller Islands. I never questioned Shilli as a bowler, just wanted to see him do it away from home. As for Sammy, you dont take a place on team just because you can lead. We have the young players who can PERFORM in that spot. WI deserves to see best 11

Posted by king78787 on (March 22, 2013, 19:26 GMT)

hopefully the ZCB discovers that you need your batting coach abroad for EXPERIENCE!!!!Most of the zim team have probably never played against Chris Gayle or chanderpaul and have no idea on how to imitate them. Coaches are essential!

Posted by Greyicce on (March 22, 2013, 19:22 GMT)

Whats the problem with you Tonyton, what is the difference between Lara, Gayle, Walsh etc as Captain and Sammy. Show me their records as captain and compare it to Sammy. Sammy is one of the most dedicated cricketer on the team. Maybe he does not always make runs but his leadership skill is good. What is Narine, Permaul and Bishoo test record compare to that of Shillingford. Shillingford has justify his place to me. Narine has been poor when it comes to test cricket. Oh and can you recall the last touring Australia team to the Caribbean and he wickets Shillingford got.'

You need to ride off the small islanders, West Indies cricket is not just for the large islands of Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Guyana.

Posted by SNIFFLEATHER on (March 22, 2013, 19:13 GMT)

You can only beat what is put in front of you, and the West Indies thoroughly beat the touring Zimbabweans. Some will say that it means nothing, to merely roll over weaker sides, but they are there all too often when surprises are handed out. West Indies took care of business in an efficient and professional manner, with notable individual performances along the way. Rather than trump up Shillingford, who was often gifted wickets by his friend Sammy the captain's decision not to let anybody else have a go at cleaning up the weakest batting order in the game, I would note the batting of Ramdin, which appears to be maturing consistently, the more than useful support of Samuels with the ball, and the somewhat limited but effective use of the young quick bowler Shannon Gabriel. A second specialist spinner is not a necessity in the current Windies XI, not with Samuels, Deonarine or Gayle able to do a job from one end anyway, but the continued lack of Delorn Johnson is a big mistake.

Posted by   on (March 22, 2013, 18:58 GMT)

i can't call that doing well when they lost every game and hardly put up much of a fight..not to sure what you mean grahaam..what they do need though is to play more cricket cause these guys are just too inexperienced

Posted by Great-shot444 on (March 22, 2013, 18:44 GMT)

I am from pakistan and following this series even i have to wake up all the night, first of all well done to WI but very sad to see Zim performing like that, zim need to play more with BD in their conditions so they learn how to play spin .

Posted by tonyton on (March 22, 2013, 18:40 GMT)

An expected result. But what does this do for WI cricket? Bowling, Does anyone really think Permaul, Bishoo or Narine could not have dominated Zim? Shilli is a good bowler, but until he performs outside the Caribbean, then he will be regarded as the Indian spinners, last year they could do nothing against England or Australia. Actually Shilli started in England and got dropped. Now on to Sammy, little cameos here N there does not justify his selection on a test team. Definitely the shorter forms, but not test. Sammy is really taking the place of several young promising players. We have several around the Caribbean. Maybe now that Ramdin has matured, we can let him lead and blend in some of the more talented younger players. People might think its a slight to Sammy, but its not, he is great individual, great human, but we have better players who can perform in his spot. With him there, we dont truly have the best team. I am sure he knows it, its up to him to do right thing, step down

Posted by grahaam on (March 22, 2013, 18:08 GMT)

Actually Zimbabwe did well for a team playing test matches without a batting or bowling coach...

Posted by   on (March 22, 2013, 17:47 GMT)

I think the Zim batsmen should be sent for conditioning camp to India or SL to gain skills to pay against spinners. Hard work will derive results. Zim batsmen have the talent. They need to work hard and hone their skills.

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