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West Indies should aim for No. 1 in ODIs - Clive Lloyd

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October 13, 2012

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Ravi Rampaul celebrates a wicket with his team-mates, Australia v West Indies, 2nd semi-final, World Twenty20 2012, Colombo, October 5, 2012
"Nothing seems to faze them. And they're showing purpose," says Clive Lloyd of the current West Indies team © Associated Press
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Clive Lloyd, the former West Indies captain, has said the World Twenty20 winning West Indies team should now aim for the "next level" by targeting the No.1 ranking in ODIs. "The win suggests that we can be a good ODI outfit. This is the start, the impetus that we needed to excel in the longer version," he told Daily News and Analysis.

Lloyd, who led West Indies to World Cup wins in 1975 and 1979, said he expected the team to do well in Sri Lanka, as it had explosive batsmen and decent bowlers who are capable of performing the same way in longer formats.

"Out of the 15 big hitters in the world, six belong to our team. They are all phenomenal strikers," he said. "It gives them impetus on the field. They know they can go out there and dominate. That's what they must do in the longer version too. Apart from Chris Gayle, we have [Marlon] Samuels who's growing in confidence in both Tests and ODIs. We have a couple of good spinners and decent fast bowlers, basically an attack that can dislodge any opponent. We're close to being quite a balanced side."

Lloyd added the team needed to identify its players for different formats. "Someone like Kieron Pollard can do the kind of job Andrew Symonds did for Australia. Pollard is explosive and can be a handful down the order. We have enough bowlers to choose from - both pace and spin.

"At least we have two spinners who are able to confuse the batters," Lloyd spoke of Sunil Narine and Samuel Badree, both of whom played important roles in Sri Lanka. "In the longer format, we'll know how good they are. In the one-day game, I don't think too many people will attack them and be successful."

West Indies' T20 title was their first major international success since the 2004 Champions Trophy, but Lloyd said the current team appeared stronger than the 2004 winners. "They are gelling together. They seem to be quite happy when they go out there. Nothing seems to faze them. And they're showing purpose. You have got to give credit to the captain."

Lloyd said he was happy to see Gayle back in the team, as he was a "decent fellow" to work with. "Chris just wanted to be back. He looks a really happy soul. Once he is happy, I'm happy. He creates that force and sort of generates the warmth needed for team spirit. I don't think he's giving the establishment any problems. They had one little spat."

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Posted by UK_Chap on (October 15, 2012, 11:11 GMT)

To finish off my comment on this page, I would say to you Windies fans, you should be proud of your teams success. I have nothing but the admiration for what they achieved, as I had given them no chance and no hope before the tournament began. Also I have no problem with you celebrating your win, If I were in your position I would do exactly the same. I am not a hater, I just love good cricket. As I said before and I say again, I hope this win inspires the Windies to do better in the other formats.

Posted by Meety on (October 15, 2012, 0:05 GMT)

@ Sinhaya on (October 13 2012, 11:32 AM GMT) - whilst the WIndies didn't have much in the way of a travelling fan base, in Oz they were heavily supported & admired by Ozzys & Neutrals. Their pay cheques weren't what you get today, but it was a relatively lucrative tour, but they had to work hard for it as they were here for months on end!

Posted by Meety on (October 15, 2012, 0:01 GMT)

@Behind_the_bowlers_arm on (October 14 2012, 04:07 AM GMT) - I think their pitches (can't say for sure), have become slower due to a lack of investment in infrastructure. Pitches have a life expectancy to when they need to be relaid. I am not sure when any oth their pitches have been relaid, but they seem to be the way the SCG was in the 80s. i think you're right though, the WIndies need to get some of their old pitches back & bring back the chin-music!

Posted by UK_Chap on (October 14, 2012, 23:52 GMT)

I note that some people are making comments that some people including myself are trying to belittle or denigrate the West Indies achievement in winning the cup. This is not so, when they won the cup, I also congratulated them on their victory. What is annoying is the comments from some Windies fans and a few other so called neutrals that suddenly the West Indies is the best T20 side in the world since sliced bread. I want to point out a couple of things, first of all it is not the fault of the Windies the hand that they were dealt, they played the games that befell them, they took the opportunities and won them fair and square. All I was stating was that all teams need a little luck, but the West Indies had the luck of winning the lottery. Having said that based on the matches played and performances in the tournament, despite the cup, they are NOT the best T20 side in the world. Anyone who loves and knows cricket, also knows this to be true.

Posted by Principle on (October 14, 2012, 22:36 GMT)

As a West Indian I will not allow anyone to take this moment away from me. I have suffered long and hard over these years and it's only right that I have my time to celebrate. Whether you want to say it's luck or not it really doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that we are the champions of the world at T20 and anyone who doesn't like that too bad. Anyone who wants to correct this will have to wait two years. IT IS AS IT SHOULD BE.

Posted by   on (October 14, 2012, 19:54 GMT)

Wow! It's interesting to see how individuals can downgrade the importance of a win. A win is a win, regardless of a favourable group, or luck or one hour of good cricket. The Windies team did not construct the groups or the tournament format, luck always favours the brave and one hour of good cricket in a three hour game is significant. Let's admit that the win was well earned and it is better to build on positive results than negative. the next two to three years will be an indicator of the progression of West Indies cricket - whether up or down. YEAH.......GO WINDIES!!!!!

Posted by   on (October 14, 2012, 19:23 GMT)

its amazing that people say that west indies victory was a fluke because they did not play india, pakistan and south africa,but they beat the team that beat all those teams austrailia,you all are sore losers

Posted by SnowSnake on (October 14, 2012, 18:59 GMT)

WI is over analyzing their win. After they batted in the finals they were set to lose. They won because of one hour of good cricket. That one hour does not mean anything in bigger scheme of things. The current team does not have any potential to be sustainable #1 ODI team for next 5 years. After that, it could be anybody's game. Ironically, WI spin department is great. Fast bowling is noting special and batting is OK. The current talent can get the team to middle or upper middle ranking numbers. If they get to #1 in ODI then they will be replaced soon.

Posted by Sageleaf on (October 14, 2012, 18:59 GMT)

I like The West Indies very much even when they were under Clive Lloyd. But T20 suit them better and it was very bad day for Sri Lanka and if the toss was won by Sri Lanka it would have been a different story but it didn't and West Indies rightly Won the finals. ODI is little different and i do not think West Indies have the right bowling side to make it to No1. I hope the WI board does not mess with this winning team and continue to help them...Sri Lankan tour to the West indies next year will be a show case

Posted by Shivago on (October 14, 2012, 17:20 GMT)

What some people are suggesting on here is total rubbish! W I did not win the World T20 by fluke or luck! You can't win a world event by luck! Those who suggest WI were lucky against Australia in the 1st round game, should just think, Australia still had to go at 9 an over for 10 overs and anything could have happened, Australia were lucky because they had a daunting 191 to chase and they realised the weather would intervene, therefore with all wickets in hand, just smashed carefree and as long as they were ahead in Duckworth Lewis, they would have escaped! W I then came back to beat them in the Semis thoroughly! Which proves my point! They also lost to Sri Lanka and came back to beat them in the final! Like true Champions do, so please stop hating, it just shows bad sportsmanship. As for what Sir Clive Lloyd is saying, he only suggests that being number 1 in ODI format, to be the target, he never said they will! WI fans are not getting big headed, we are just celebrating, allow it!

Posted by keptalittlelow on (October 14, 2012, 17:07 GMT)

Windies must have grown a lot after winning that final match, they came from nowhere to win the match, I am bound to agree with Clive Lloyds.

Posted by UK_Chap on (October 14, 2012, 13:06 GMT)

The truth is that West Indies winning the T20 cup was a total fluke, they had a lot of luck. Despite the fact that in the tournament they only won 2 games, excluding the semi and final they managed to pull off a heist. Consider that Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Australia and India each won 4 games, the latter three teams were also in the tougher group. In the Windies first game the rain saved them from a total thrashing by Australia, had the game run the full distance the windies may not have even made it to the next round. As for the ODI format, which is much tougher, the West Indies lack any batsmen to build an innings and carry the team through 50 overs. They all seem to be dashers, all wanting to hit fours and sixes every ball, abit like Afridi only marginally more successful.

Posted by CricketChat on (October 14, 2012, 12:03 GMT)

Aiming high is good, but I think ex-WI cricketers and some fans are drawing a bit too much from this win. It wasn't like they totally dominated their opponents (like in the earlier era), they barely scrapped through the earlier rounds. They won bec they played like they had nothing to lose. They should use this opportunity to get new sponsors (financial help) and most importantly build the next generation of crickets.

Posted by UK_Chap on (October 14, 2012, 11:32 GMT)

NoPlay : you are right it is not a distant dream but definitely a FLUKE.

Posted by noplay on (October 14, 2012, 10:57 GMT)

Nothing wrong with Clive Lloyd and all West Indian fans (including me) living in some distant, distant hope. It is the only thing that gives WI team a fan base. We won a trophy without having faced SA, Pak and India, all of whom were battling against each other. It is a sweet dream. Hope the reality is not too harsh

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (October 14, 2012, 10:29 GMT)

If WI would stop messing around with their openers, and stick with the likes of Gayle and Smith, I said during the world T20 cup that WI could be dominant in the shorter formats. They have a reliable, consistent player in Samuels who can come in at 3/4, and potentially explosive players like Pollard who can up-the-ante. Bowling-wise, they need to give spinners like Narine and Benn a decent run. There's a battery of pace bowlers, who if used correctly and are looked after can get the job done. For tests, I think WI will still struggle... there are too many '6-and-then-out' batsmen and not enough Chanderpauls!

Posted by tommyhawk on (October 14, 2012, 9:07 GMT)

Lloyd never said No. 1 will happen overnight. But, like him, I see it as a very natural progression and a target they can aim for.

Posted by   on (October 14, 2012, 5:56 GMT)

lol..just won a cup and now their feeling all on top of everybody...

Posted by Nadeem1976 on (October 14, 2012, 5:52 GMT)

fools paradise. keep on dreaming. i been watching this roller coaster WI team journey for 20 years now. Nothing gonna happen. They will stay bellow #5 for years and years to come. Top teams are not going to give number 1 spot in plate to WI. They got to win every match which is not going to happen. WI was just lucky in this WC. admit it.

Posted by getsetgopk on (October 14, 2012, 4:39 GMT)

I think they can get to no 1 spot considering other teams abilities at present. WI is a decent side with good enough batters and bowlers, my only reservation about this WI is that what will happen when most of their players will be busy playing IPL while their team plays international games? Besides, how will they keep up with the highest demand of being the no 1 team with no rest what so ever. Thats bordering impossible I would say.

Posted by Behind_the_bowlers_arm on (October 14, 2012, 4:07 GMT)

I can see what Lloyd is saying about a progression from t20 but they have a long way to go. Like a few countries they need to develop some more batsmen. My last extended look at them was in the Aust home series and when they went to England and their opening batsmen particularly were rubbish. I'd suggest sending young batsmen to play in English leagues like the old days and also to sort out their home pitches. Bring back the old Windies wickets with pace and true bounce. Not sure how they've ended down the route of dry dustbowls. That's usually the preserve of teams who are scared of fast bowling. How ironic that would be if this was the Windies reason.

Posted by Htc-Android on (October 14, 2012, 1:22 GMT)

I really cant see WI reaching the Top 5 in ODIs. they have lot of match winners, but u cant win ODIs with big hitters. They need solid batsmen like kohli,amla,clarke who can rotate the strike, play spin well,good running between the wickets. in the past sarwan and chanders used to do it. at the moment they dont have any. Also the need a WK who can bat well. Guys like Pollard and dwayne brave,sammy are very inconsistent. Also thier team is not balanced well.pace bowling looks so thin because of too many alrounders in the side. they need atleast 2 genuine pacers and a spinner. my team. 1.Gayle 2.Simmons 3.Darren bravo 4.sarwan 5.samuels 6.dwayne bravo/russel 7.sammy 8.ramdin 9.rampaul 10.narine 11. roach. If they can get a good WIcket keeper batsman, they can become a very good Odi side. please drop pollard, he is too incosistent. you can play him in the T20s.

Posted by DingDong420 on (October 14, 2012, 0:50 GMT)

Windies were lucky to win the WCT20. They lost twice had a draw and also had a no result and still won!

Windies need consistency, they strung together 2 good batting performances and it was enough fo rthem to win but they werent even the 3rd / 4th best team in the comp.

Pollard is a waste of space who fires less than even Shahid Afridi. they need consistencyt and only Samuels is showing any at this moment

Posted by Meety on (October 14, 2012, 0:48 GMT)

Personally think they should be aiming for #1 across all formats.

Posted by   on (October 13, 2012, 23:02 GMT)

Winning any cup cannot be a fluke. Sometimes it is easy to get to the No. 1 spot or to win World cups. The important thing is keep winning them for a longer periods of time like Australia or WI in the past. Bangladesh recently beat both India and SriLanka in the Asian cup. So can we assume that they will win the next world cup in 2015? I am a very proud SL supporter.I am very proud of their achievements . CHOKERS or not they have reached 4 world cup finals. This means that they are the seconed best team in the world. I think that itself a great achievement. How many other teams did that before?. I rather get to the WC final and lose rather than knocked off in the group stage. If WI can win the next WC then it is good luck to them.

Posted by   on (October 13, 2012, 19:47 GMT)

MAN!......West Indies win WT20 Cup and all of a sudden Clive Lloyd is saying they should be world beaters, I doubt it, they did well for a flash in the pan competition, but it doesnt mean they are a dominant side like they used to be or like the great Australian team of the late 90s/early 2Ks

Posted by nccricket on (October 13, 2012, 19:01 GMT)

Everyone should always try to continually improve. However, when someone of Clive's standing comes out and says something like he does here in public, ie, WIS should aim to be #1, only 2 things can be made of that: either he is naive or he wants to put undue pressure on the work in progress. Anywho, now that the cat is out of the bag, I hope the WIS achieve their aspirations. Just like I hope for everyone else. Funny though, if everyone did achieve their aspirations, who would be #1 (unless a whole bunch of folks don't aspire to top gun).

Posted by almeda_riddle on (October 13, 2012, 18:15 GMT)

agree with Chaminda Wickremasuriya - of course it was a fluke, they won a combined total of 1 match in the first 2 group stages + a no result & a tie, hardly a dominant perfomance. Having said that the nature of T20 means any win is pretty much a fluke. I like the WI and hope that this is the start of long-term improvements for them but, as Chaminda points out, there is a long way to go for them to be no 1 in any format.

Posted by   on (October 13, 2012, 17:57 GMT)

Clive Lloyd has just join CARLISLE BEST in saying to the WICB/West Indies that they should try and become the "number one" limited overs' team in the world .Those words were echoed by Carlisle for years on every radio programme he was on . He said his idea was based on , seeing how WI TEST squad look, he do not seei it going on way in world cricket any time soon . So he asid " let focus on the LIMITED overs game and become the BEST in the WORLD.

Posted by Alexk400 on (October 13, 2012, 17:43 GMT)

What west indies need Strong openers and one truly tall fast bowler. Tall fast bowler is key. Edwards may be fast but he is muhammed sammy , fast is not everything , you need accuracy and bounce. Also sarwan is not finished. if he is physically athletic fit , he probably their best batsman.

Posted by yocasi on (October 13, 2012, 16:15 GMT)

Holding was a great player but that doesn't necessarily make him a good coach or analyst. He holds on to the absurd view that only genuinely quick bowlers can "trouble" batsmen. He doesn't mind bowlers who leak runs as long as they bowl fast and pick up a few wickets now and then. Mikey apparently doesn't realise that the extra 40 runs conceded by the Fidels have to be made up by the batsmen. By Holding's reasoning, Vaas, MC Grath, Shaun Pollock and other devastatingly effective bowlers who bowled medium pace have no right playing test cricket. If Sammy bowled 10MPH quicker than he does and took the same number of wickets that he has, Holding would have no problem with him.

Posted by SamRoy on (October 13, 2012, 15:42 GMT)

@Outswinging Even if the aspire they won't get that kind of consistency; not possible, there is not a single world class batsman in the team (ok Samuels nearly there, Gayle struggles against quality spin and Chanders past his prime) and one needs 3-4 world class batsman to be a great team. Roach can be world class but still has a long way to go, Rampaul currently is the second best fast bowler and he will never be world class. Pity on Jerome taylor, though he had seriously good talent. Spinners have more potential with Narine and Bishoo but both are still young and inexperianced. Dwayne Bravo past his prime and Darren Bravo still to realise his potential.

Posted by Testcricfan on (October 13, 2012, 15:33 GMT)

I think if they find a way to restore Sarwan like Gayle & fit Roach into the team, WI can be serious contenders in ODIs too. With 2 new balls regulation, ODIs do not provide the scope for 2 spinners, , so Roach slots in for Badree, unless the wicket is a batting paradise of 300+ variety - Those kind of wickets are endemic only to India. They also need to drop either Pollard or Russell for an anchorman in Sarwan and drop Johnson charles - Simmons or Keiron powell is a better choice anyday. One other aspect of their game which needs serious improvement is the way they rotate the strike, especially against spinners, as minimizing Dot ball % is key to ODI Success. Block and Bang techniques will not work consistently. Dont they have a keeper who can bat? Openers - Gayle, Simmons. Reserve: Powell. Middle order / all rounders - Sarwan, Samuels, DJ Bravo, Pollard Reserves: DM Bravo, Russell. Keeper - Ramdin. Bowlers: Sammy, Narine, Roach, Rampaul. Reserves: Badree, Gabriel.

Posted by   on (October 13, 2012, 15:29 GMT)

success in cricket is "united they stand"

Posted by Agila on (October 13, 2012, 15:20 GMT)

Spent most of my childhood watching the great WI teams of 70s/80s. Clive Lloyd was spot on, WI should set short term goals and focus on their resurgence in the longer format(s) over a period of time. I hope they get there and entertain the world like the way they did in 70s and 80s. Be it fluke or whatever, every zenith has a very modest beginning. From a bunch of exciting cricketers the WI team evolved into World Champs.What a line up they had. Greenidge, Haynes,Viv Richards,Larry Gomes,Clive Lloyd,Jeff Dujon, Malcom Marshall, Michael Holding, Andy Roberts and Joel Garner. They beaten my home team many a time, Not once did I feel bad, but still enjoyed every game!

Posted by braindead_rocker on (October 13, 2012, 15:18 GMT)

Hey Chaminda Wickremasurya...You for get that your team Sri Lanka was once the minnows of cricket. Was their 96 win a fluke...Big championship wins always transform a team. West Indies will rise again.

Posted by sumanchettri on (October 13, 2012, 14:53 GMT)

clive Lloyd is a legend those view must be respected as a cricket lover. But i dont see WI as a no 1 ODI side. World T20 was certainly a fluke for them just won three games consecutively does not mean that WI has the best T20 outfits. Without Chris Gayle they will be defeated by even Bangladesh and Ireland.

Posted by   on (October 13, 2012, 14:49 GMT)

For WI to be number one in any format of the game players need to get stronger and fitter especially the pacers. Rampaul needs to lose the fat and get stronger, Roach needs to change his bowling action otherwise he will be like Edwards a wicket taker but always injured. Adrian Bharath in the gym and work on his legs his has recurrent hamstring injury and keeps playing cricket before he is fit that is why he is still struggling to regain his form. Look at what 2yrs out of cricket did for Marlon Samuels his is unbelievably stronger and fitter than ever in his life (and that is a man who is literally walking around with one knee) the value of rest and physio cannot be understated here...For him that ban was a blessing in disguise he worked out his mental issues and worked on his fitness.(there was doubts following his knee injury that he could ever play cricket again it was supposed to be similar to Martin Crowe's knee injury) Also lose Sammy and Gibson and we have a chance to be number1

Posted by abhi587 on (October 13, 2012, 14:42 GMT)

i agree that WI are close to being a quite balanced side but disagree that WI would become the No.1 ODI Team. The main reason is lack of Batsmen with Patience in longer formats. I dont think any1 would disagree with me on that fact. I m sure that WI can defeat any opponent on its day but not on all days.

Posted by bumsonseats on (October 13, 2012, 14:35 GMT)

not sure what you mean have they been winning over a long period of 5 years or so. so clive when they have been doing that for longer periods than 2 weeks perhaps. at the moment they have done well to win a competition were towards the end was win the toss win the game.

Posted by cricket0007 on (October 13, 2012, 14:35 GMT)

its too early to make such tall claims and frankly speaking I don't see them becoming number 1 so easily. Although I respect Lloyd, he is legend but I think he is getting a bit carried away.. Lankans in the final fell into their own trap. Batting 2nd was never going to be easy and they lost the toss which played a crucial part, just like it did in the semis where Lankans batted first and Pakistanis failed to chase the score in very tricky conditions ,and I must say that those pitches were sub standard and ICC shouldn't allow the hosts to manipulate it so much.. But Lankans fell into their own trap like I said before and West Indies took full advantage. But one much appreciate the effort of windies team. They were brilliant with the bat and who can forget those huuuuuuuuuge sixes which Sameuls hit in Malinga's over. He literally destroyed Malinga and then Windies bowlers bowled well too.. But they still have a looooong way to go to become no1 in any format

Posted by VivGilchrist on (October 13, 2012, 14:24 GMT)

Not as overconfident as some other posters here. Still WI is made up of alot of bits and pieces players, which gets you by in T20 when you only bowl a maximum 24 deliveries and slog a couple of balls but 50 cricket requires more responsibility with both bat and ball. Russel is not good enough to play as the second seamer, so Roach comes in, this shortens the batting depth. Dwayne Bravo is a not a top 6 batsman away from T20 (check his records). You can not rely on part-timers to bowl there full quota in ODI as they do in T20. What I'm trying to say is the champion WI T20 are not necessarily going to be a good ODI team. The longer the game, the more you get exposed.

Posted by Sinhaya on (October 13, 2012, 14:09 GMT)

@Divinetouch, SamAsh07 and tanstell87, ignore what Chaminda Wickremasuriya says. If you see my comments as a Sri Lankan, I fully acknowledge West Indies's win. We as Lankans must work on overcoming finals losses. No way can a finals win be a fluke. Windies anyway played the finals with least pressure in contrast to Sri Lanka.

Posted by InsideHedge on (October 13, 2012, 13:57 GMT)

The Windies are picking better players now too, so hats off to their selectors. They seem to have moved on from, not so long ago, when they INSISTED on picking guys like Ryan Hinds, Darren Powell & Wavell Hinds. The latter played as recently as April 2010 when he was well past his best. They have plenty of quality players to choose from but now they have a "team", not just individuals. I've always liked Darren Sammy, a man who always smiled even when they were struggling.

Posted by Divinetouch on (October 13, 2012, 13:52 GMT)

I still agree with Holding that Sammy's place in the team is not the best. We can do better with a more balanced team. Charles is not up to it too.

Posted by InsideHedge on (October 13, 2012, 13:50 GMT)

The one PROBLEM the Windies need to sort out is the frequent INJURIES to their fast bowlers. Guys like Jerome Taylor are now on the scrapheap, Roach is often on the physio table, remember Shannon Gabriel from the tour to England earlier in the summer? Of course you don't.

Posted by Divinetouch on (October 13, 2012, 13:48 GMT)

Chaminda Wickremasuriya,

The definition of a fluke in terms of cricket is Sri Lanka winning a world cup tournament after 4 tries and will be a bigger fluke if they happen to reach a fifth final.

Posted by SamAsh07 on (October 13, 2012, 13:44 GMT)

@Chaminda - I'm assuming you're Sri Lankan, well your team choked at the finals for the 4th time, instead of judging West Indies, evaluate your team that keeps choking against different opponents in the Finals! I bet my cards that if it was SL vs Ban, Ban would win the final because you see....SL are the new 'chokers'.

Posted by tanstell87 on (October 13, 2012, 13:35 GMT)

@Chaminda Wickremasuriya - no mate the T20 triumph was not a fluke...infact after losing 4 finals of World Cups Sri lankan fans are frustrated...West Indies will soon be number 1 in ODIs..& that could be at end of this season...then in May the World Champions will take on World T20 champions in West Indies...that would be treat to watch for Indian fans like me...!

Posted by JermanSoldier on (October 13, 2012, 13:33 GMT)

Excellent article. Winning odi and test matches should be their real aim from now. Wi must find an opening partner for gayle. Smith and charles have not performed consistently. Charles must be given more opportunities. Sarvan must be called back for odis and tests. Sammy is one who least contributes to the team. Wi board must take a cold decision to remove him from the test team. All there done, wi will again become a formidable force in the longer formats too.

Posted by   on (October 13, 2012, 13:19 GMT)

Let us face facts!

Winning the T20 WC was a fluke. Lloyd seems to be day dreaming. There is a long way to go for WI become no 1 in any format of the game!

Posted by switchmitch on (October 13, 2012, 12:43 GMT)

Yes, they can dominate in ODIs too. Really chuffed to see the success of WI. They are going to be a seriously good team in a few years time. Of course, they have some questions to address in the Test format but they are better placed that many other international teams.

Posted by Outswinging on (October 13, 2012, 12:06 GMT)

Creekeetman, I fully agree. West Indies have to seek dominance in all aspects of the game. The need to look no further than Clive Lloyd's teams and aspire to that type of consistency.

Posted by   on (October 13, 2012, 11:59 GMT)

Dnt see them to do Good in ODI's against AUS, PAK, SA, Ind still lots of stuff to do..

Posted by Sinhaya on (October 13, 2012, 11:50 GMT)

Also, remember that Roach and Rampaul can spearhead the pace bowling whilst Narine can lead the way in spin bowling. Hopefully Roach and or Rampaul along with Narine can be a Vaas Murali like bowling combination for West Indies which should help them win test matches in the years to come. Windies winning home test matches may not be too far away, but might have to wait a while to see them win test matches or series away.

Posted by Sinhaya on (October 13, 2012, 11:32 GMT)

Remember AWESOME West Indies of the 60s, 70s, 80s and early 90s is a model example for all teams. They won test series in Australia, which only England and South Africa (once) managed in the history of test cricket. West Indies did it at a time when both local Aussie umpires officiated and winning in Australia back then was the most daunting. West Indies even did not have a single fan travelling to cheer for them during those times. I also think they did not get such flashy pay packets even. I was glad to see West Indian fans coming to Sri Lanka for the T20 world cup and good luck as always from a fan who adores West Indies from the bottom of my heart!

Posted by Sinhaya on (October 13, 2012, 11:28 GMT)

Yes West Indies are definitely capable of excelling in 50 over games. They could have won 5-0 against the Aussies in March this year but had to settle for 2-2. Remember the 2 losses were not too large. Hope teams organize bilateral ODI series with Windies as many fans will want to watch their power hitters in action. Looking at the power hitters of Windies they are Bravo (Dwayne), Samuels, Sammy, Russell, Pollard, Gayle, Charles. So there are 7 and not 6 Mr Lloyd! Test match success is someway off for Windies because they still lack the endurance. May be test match wins are not too far away, but test series wins require more temperament, which I feel Windies batsmen still lack. But hope I am wrong because I am all for West Indies succeeding in tests to the maximum.

Posted by u.t.k.a.l on (October 13, 2012, 11:25 GMT)

I wsih WI all the best for future..... I would love to watch WI Team in top 3 in ODI.... They should take these players in team to reach top 3......My best choices are:

Opener :- (1) Darren Bravo (2 ) Chris Gayle

1down :- ( Marlon Samuels)

2down:- ( Dwayne Bravo )

Middle Order:- ( Pollard/ Dwayne Smith)

Lower Order :- ( Sammy, Ramdin, Narine, Taylor/Edward/Roach, Rampaul, Badree/Cooper)

Darren Bravo shoul get the chance to open, he is a class batsmen. Gayle is as always the best. Samuels and Dwayne can handle if immidiate wicket goes and both are capable of stabling the innings. There are batsmans like pollard and dwayne smith who can blast in the death overs.

Posted by Percy_Fender on (October 13, 2012, 11:07 GMT)

I see Darren Sammy as a variation of Frank Worrell who made the West Indies see how good they can be. He is a good man even if he does'nt have the magnetism of Sir Frank. But Sammy is a God fearing man which is something the West Indians can do with !!As far as cricketing skills are concerned,they have everything. Great batsmen, tremendous pace an able wicket keeper bat and mystery spin. What is more is that they have a great bench strength. Such that no replacement can even be noticed on the field. Importantly, they have players who can be useful for specific conditions. That is why they can quite easily have separate teams for the different formats. That is with Sammy as the Captain for each. It seems to me that with Julian Hunte taking over their fortunes have changed. Now they have to bond together in ways other than cricket so that when they play for a non existent nation, they play as one. The West Indies.

Posted by creekeetman on (October 13, 2012, 10:48 GMT)

odi's, 20/20..... great to win them, but test cricket is the pinnacle, thats what teams and players should aim to be the best at, even samuels said it.

Posted by   on (October 13, 2012, 10:33 GMT)

Now its time to bring back Sarwan so he can supplement Gayle and Samuels. They also need to find a place for Dwayne Smith who can supplement both the bowling and batting. Charles should be dropped.

Posted by Nuxxy on (October 13, 2012, 10:01 GMT)

They need Pollard and Sammy to bat more reliably (score more often), and two fast bowlers who stay uninjured and they would be more than halfway there.

Posted by ozwriter on (October 13, 2012, 9:56 GMT)

go the windies! the most popular team for neutrals around the world

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