West Indies news May 14, 2014

'Ramdin can help WI leapfrog NZ in the rankings'

Renaldo Matadeen
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Denesh Ramdin's appointment as West Indies' Test captain has received approval from several former players, though there also remains a level of surprise and a tone of caution at the choice. Former West Indies A captain Daren Ganga hailed the move as a "bold but promising one", while former fast bowler Colin Croft said Ramdin still had to work on improving his batting. Former wicketkeeper Deryck Murray, meanwhile, said it maybe worth considering making Ramdin "captain for all three formats of the game".

Ramdin took over the Trinidad & Tobago team from Ganga in 2011, ending the latter's nine-year stint as captain. Many saw that move as a stepping stone for Ramdin to hone his skills as a future West Indies leader - he was the team's vice-captain at that point.

Ganga told ESPNcricinfo that Ramdin is well prepared for the job. "It's a great opportunity to show his worth," Ganga said. "He has been groomed as a leader in the Regional Four-Day tournament for Trinidad and his experience at junior levels leading show he is ready to grab the reins of leadership.

"His tactical knowledge and understanding of the game is pretty sound. I've played for many years with Denesh. I think he can mesh the various personalities and motivate players of different backgrounds on the team. He can make a positive difference. Denesh can help West Indies leapfrog New Zealand in the rankings."

While Ganga felt there "should be no major concerns" with Ramdin's batting when he took over the extra responsibility of the captaincy, Croft said it is one area he really would have to work on. "With 56 Tests already under his belt, including four centuries, and 161 dismissals behind the stumps, Ramdin has just the right experience in Tests to command respect and demand excellence," Croft said. "However, his batting average in Tests, 27.25, has to improve."

Croft said there was no doubting Ramdin's place in the Test side though, as had sometimes been the case with his predecessor, Darren Sammy. "This appointment will certainly be a massive challenge for Denesh. But at least in Ramdin's case, there will not be any conjecture as to whether he deserves his place in the team or not, à la Sammy," Croft said. "Right now, by a long way, Denesh is easily the best wicketkeeper in the Caribbean."

Aggression, Croft said, had to be at the forefront of Ramdin's mind. "Ramdin has to be as aggressive for West Indies in planning and production as he has been for T&T."

Murray said appointing Ramdin across formats would promote consistency in the team. "With his position as wicketkeeper, he is present in all the squads. So if he's a constant, why not have him lead all the teams and give us more consistency?"

Renaldo Matadeen is a sportswriter and social media manager for ESPN Caribbean. @RenaldoMatadeen

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  • POSTED BY delboy on | May 19, 2014, 11:12 GMT

    The level of cricket played at regional level is far removed from what is required to compete against international TEST teams. Ib contrast how many of the regional players have the skills or experience of the five day tests, how many so called first class players are available and part take in the domestic matches? Is this why the WI struggle to survive 4 days of a test match? Its time people like westindiansupporter realise that the rankings are dictated not only by how many tests you play but who you play. Even if the West Indies play a 10 match back to back series against Zim or Bang and win all 10 the points accumulated will not be the same as beating Aus 3-0, England 3-0 and SA 2-1. Only playing 3 test series will take years as a result of the FTP to propel WI into the top 4 Those teams play 5 tests and can afford to draw the odd one or two.

  • POSTED BY westindiesupporter on | May 17, 2014, 2:14 GMT

    Whoever is our skipper, our West Indies will win this series and make it to the top 5 of the rankings very soon.

  • POSTED BY aclarity on | May 15, 2014, 15:33 GMT

    I watch a good deal of the regional tournament and without a doubt; Bonner is The Class batsman in the WI today bar none but Chanders. Philander noted this also. This boy has class and he can field. Blackwood is attractive and quick in the field. Lewis is a diamond in the rough while Ambris and L. Johnson must be watched. Deonarine, Fuddadin and Carter are very ordinary. I hope the selectors put the ordinary players under Coach Gibson because he has failed miserably at improving young talent. In fact they have all regressed.

  • POSTED BY roddybee on | May 15, 2014, 10:34 GMT

    Gibson should be fired, how dare he tell a man with 10,000 test runs how to bat. i expect windies to win this series, hot humid conditions, no swing for the NZ seamers and plenty of spin should see windies run out 2-0 winners.

  • POSTED BY kiwicricketnut on | May 15, 2014, 10:17 GMT

    people always seem to go on about the state of west indies cricket but they are still a good team and will surely be favourites against us at home, comparing the current windies team to the windies of the late 70's through to the early 90's is pretty harsh, that was the greatest team the world has ever seen, no team will probably ever reach that standard ever again whether they be west indian or not, there fans probably expect too much from their current crop but you are still producing great players just not the great quick bowlers of the past but your spin stocks are second to none this is your new strength so play to it and you'll beat nz who are clueless against the likes of narine. if the windies can produce a couple of terrorfying quicks they will be a force again but till then back your spinners they are very good

  • POSTED BY aclarity on | May 15, 2014, 1:05 GMT

    Interestingly, all the comments were made by TT nationals and Croft who resides in TT. None has given Ramdhin the best advice for his first step. Before saying what he hopes to achieve, Ramdhin must recognize his biggest error; put it front and center, and ask for the forgiveness of the WI people. Only, then can he start talking cricket aspirations. He should read the article by David Hinds in Caribbean.com to understand the heavy load that WICB has bestowed on him. He must also realize that criticisms should not be viewed as personal attacks but as important steps for maturing and improving.

  • POSTED BY tutorial on | May 14, 2014, 23:03 GMT

    Ramdin should be captain for the test and ODI formats, Dwayne Bravo captain for t20s and Sammy in the t20 team as a player. Shane Shillingford in the test team is a waste of space, it should be Bishoo, Miller or Permaul take your pick, Shillingford should be playing first class cricket, he isn't international material, too many problems with his bowling action. Whatever happen to that job offer from England for Gibson?? Get this guy far away from WI.cricket.

  • POSTED BY kentjones on | May 14, 2014, 22:43 GMT

    Sorry Deryck Murray, I am not in agreement for Ramdin as captain of all three formats. I think Darren Sammy deserved the captaincy of the T20, he commands a place in the squad and can really motivate the team with his overall energy and brilliance with the bat. Bravo is still learning his craft as ODIi captain. but \i think he will come on and be a good captain. Let Ramdin concentrate on his role as test captain, there is a lot of strategizing and planning to be done at that level, that would have him pretty occupied. I do not have a problem with three captains for different formats. It will leave options open for the selection process, where Ramdin can be possibly replaced with another wicketkeeper allrounder in the other formats. This will allow exposure for other keepers and permit wicket keeper options for all formats. Any strong team needs a good wicketkeeper batsman in it. People like Fletcher. Thomas, Watson and even Baugh can have opportunities to showcase their craft.

  • POSTED BY VivGilchrist on | May 14, 2014, 21:54 GMT

    Ramdin should not play T20I. He should focus on Test and ODI, leave the T20 team to Sammy. This is pretty much the way Australia go about it with Clarke and Bailey and they are currently no1 in the 2 important formats of the game. WI should do the same.

  • POSTED BY on | May 14, 2014, 20:34 GMT

    chris gayle can't run between wicket , he is too slow,marlon samuels is hopeless since his injury,we need younger batsmen in this team, bowling looks decent but batting is lacking depth

  • POSTED BY delboy on | May 19, 2014, 11:12 GMT

    The level of cricket played at regional level is far removed from what is required to compete against international TEST teams. Ib contrast how many of the regional players have the skills or experience of the five day tests, how many so called first class players are available and part take in the domestic matches? Is this why the WI struggle to survive 4 days of a test match? Its time people like westindiansupporter realise that the rankings are dictated not only by how many tests you play but who you play. Even if the West Indies play a 10 match back to back series against Zim or Bang and win all 10 the points accumulated will not be the same as beating Aus 3-0, England 3-0 and SA 2-1. Only playing 3 test series will take years as a result of the FTP to propel WI into the top 4 Those teams play 5 tests and can afford to draw the odd one or two.

  • POSTED BY westindiesupporter on | May 17, 2014, 2:14 GMT

    Whoever is our skipper, our West Indies will win this series and make it to the top 5 of the rankings very soon.

  • POSTED BY aclarity on | May 15, 2014, 15:33 GMT

    I watch a good deal of the regional tournament and without a doubt; Bonner is The Class batsman in the WI today bar none but Chanders. Philander noted this also. This boy has class and he can field. Blackwood is attractive and quick in the field. Lewis is a diamond in the rough while Ambris and L. Johnson must be watched. Deonarine, Fuddadin and Carter are very ordinary. I hope the selectors put the ordinary players under Coach Gibson because he has failed miserably at improving young talent. In fact they have all regressed.

  • POSTED BY roddybee on | May 15, 2014, 10:34 GMT

    Gibson should be fired, how dare he tell a man with 10,000 test runs how to bat. i expect windies to win this series, hot humid conditions, no swing for the NZ seamers and plenty of spin should see windies run out 2-0 winners.

  • POSTED BY kiwicricketnut on | May 15, 2014, 10:17 GMT

    people always seem to go on about the state of west indies cricket but they are still a good team and will surely be favourites against us at home, comparing the current windies team to the windies of the late 70's through to the early 90's is pretty harsh, that was the greatest team the world has ever seen, no team will probably ever reach that standard ever again whether they be west indian or not, there fans probably expect too much from their current crop but you are still producing great players just not the great quick bowlers of the past but your spin stocks are second to none this is your new strength so play to it and you'll beat nz who are clueless against the likes of narine. if the windies can produce a couple of terrorfying quicks they will be a force again but till then back your spinners they are very good

  • POSTED BY aclarity on | May 15, 2014, 1:05 GMT

    Interestingly, all the comments were made by TT nationals and Croft who resides in TT. None has given Ramdhin the best advice for his first step. Before saying what he hopes to achieve, Ramdhin must recognize his biggest error; put it front and center, and ask for the forgiveness of the WI people. Only, then can he start talking cricket aspirations. He should read the article by David Hinds in Caribbean.com to understand the heavy load that WICB has bestowed on him. He must also realize that criticisms should not be viewed as personal attacks but as important steps for maturing and improving.

  • POSTED BY tutorial on | May 14, 2014, 23:03 GMT

    Ramdin should be captain for the test and ODI formats, Dwayne Bravo captain for t20s and Sammy in the t20 team as a player. Shane Shillingford in the test team is a waste of space, it should be Bishoo, Miller or Permaul take your pick, Shillingford should be playing first class cricket, he isn't international material, too many problems with his bowling action. Whatever happen to that job offer from England for Gibson?? Get this guy far away from WI.cricket.

  • POSTED BY kentjones on | May 14, 2014, 22:43 GMT

    Sorry Deryck Murray, I am not in agreement for Ramdin as captain of all three formats. I think Darren Sammy deserved the captaincy of the T20, he commands a place in the squad and can really motivate the team with his overall energy and brilliance with the bat. Bravo is still learning his craft as ODIi captain. but \i think he will come on and be a good captain. Let Ramdin concentrate on his role as test captain, there is a lot of strategizing and planning to be done at that level, that would have him pretty occupied. I do not have a problem with three captains for different formats. It will leave options open for the selection process, where Ramdin can be possibly replaced with another wicketkeeper allrounder in the other formats. This will allow exposure for other keepers and permit wicket keeper options for all formats. Any strong team needs a good wicketkeeper batsman in it. People like Fletcher. Thomas, Watson and even Baugh can have opportunities to showcase their craft.

  • POSTED BY VivGilchrist on | May 14, 2014, 21:54 GMT

    Ramdin should not play T20I. He should focus on Test and ODI, leave the T20 team to Sammy. This is pretty much the way Australia go about it with Clarke and Bailey and they are currently no1 in the 2 important formats of the game. WI should do the same.

  • POSTED BY on | May 14, 2014, 20:34 GMT

    chris gayle can't run between wicket , he is too slow,marlon samuels is hopeless since his injury,we need younger batsmen in this team, bowling looks decent but batting is lacking depth

  • POSTED BY King900 on | May 14, 2014, 20:32 GMT

    "Laziness" - I look at the body language of some West Indians, especially in current IPL and I see them just about going thru the motions. Pollard can be a great player but he puts very little effort into his bowling. On the other hand you look at the Aussies, South Africans and New Zealand players and they put all the effort in and it is reflected in how they play for their national teams.

    If the Windies can address the "cool attitude" of Caribbean players they might just start playing better cricket.

    The Windies of 1970s and 1980s could "swagger" because they produced the results but NOT the current group of wannabees.

  • POSTED BY on | May 14, 2014, 15:42 GMT

    20 players called to prepare for NZ tests: Denesh Ramdin (captain), Chris Gayle, Kraigg Brathwaite, Keiran Powell, Darren Bravo, Dwayne Bravo, Marlon Samuels, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Kirk Edwards, Jermaine Blackwood, Sunil Narine, Shannon Gabriel, Jerome Taylor, Sulieman Benn, Shane Shillingford, Kenroy Peters, Shane Dowrich, Ashley Nurse, Jason Holder and Kemar Roach.

  • POSTED BY on | May 14, 2014, 14:54 GMT

    Why Why Why... very Sad day for WI cricket... We just can't seem to make progressive moves.. NZ is a more organized unit and will trash the WI (AGAIN)... Sammy was the best place holder until a youngster emerges to lead the team. Don't want to be too hard on Ramdin but he does not command any respect... We're about to get back to our indiscipline ways... How does he even qualify for the job? oh yea, he has a pulse..

  • POSTED BY on | May 14, 2014, 14:43 GMT

    One should never have used the word "sacked" in reference to Sammy's departure. He did what he was called upon to do. It should be recognized that he was not test material far less being captain. However he was thrust in that position because of egotistic action of a so called coach. Sarwan is still languishing from the coaches action. W.I cricket have not recovered from the dismantling of the team. I do nt believe that Sammy had a free reign. I hope that Ramdin will break that shackle and be his own. Gibson remains the only one left from the old order. The day should be at hand when the term " sacked" could really be used to fire Gibson

  • POSTED BY Rally_Windies on | May 14, 2014, 13:34 GMT

    oh no !

    ramdin cannot captain the 20/20 team... He is not a shoe in selection for 20/20 cricket ...

    Andre Fletcher, Nicholas Pooran and Dowritch , are all possible contenders for 20/20

  • POSTED BY FOUR-REAL-QUICKS on | May 14, 2014, 13:07 GMT

    T20 cricket has almost no resemblance to proper cricket, i.e. the test match. Any captain can say "pitch it up and keep it straight" and "knock it out the park". That basically sums up the kiddeie cricket that the world has fallen in love with from a captain's perspective. A test match on the other hand, commands real skill, knowledge, mental aptitude and determination. Ramdin deserves a chance to lead, he has done so for every other West Indian representative side so the natural progression cannot be overlooked. The ODI skipper and T20 can be chosen from others more suited to that type of game.

  • POSTED BY cricketdebator on | May 14, 2014, 12:48 GMT

    Thinking about it, I concur with the views of Derryk Murray. If Ramdin is going to be the wicketkeeper across all three formats (which he should), then it would make sense to allow him to captain in them all (like in the case of Dhoni). No point in having a different captain for the shorter formats, as long as the test captain is a member of either those teams.

  • POSTED BY rayinto on | May 14, 2014, 12:43 GMT

    The problem with West Indies cricket is the coach who demotivates the players ( e.g. killed Sarwan's cricket). If Gibson had allowed Sarwan to flourish, we would have had a really good and experienced captain. Instead we are stuck with mediocrity - Ramdin does not even have respect for our national Heroes ( Viv Richards), yet, he is the best choice for zcaptain - such is the state of our cricket

  • POSTED BY Captainman on | May 14, 2014, 11:20 GMT

    West Indies are actually better and far more talented than NZ. NZ are an overrated team and whenever they win a series or win 1 convincingly like once in a blue moon, people immediately overrated them as world beaters. I remember NZ toured Windies in 2012 and got heavily thrashed in every single match and I expect the same next month from the Windies. The main problem with Windies Cricket is because of lack of interest in Cricket as more and more West Indian people are participating and following sports like Athletics, Basketball and Soccer.

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  • POSTED BY Captainman on | May 14, 2014, 11:20 GMT

    West Indies are actually better and far more talented than NZ. NZ are an overrated team and whenever they win a series or win 1 convincingly like once in a blue moon, people immediately overrated them as world beaters. I remember NZ toured Windies in 2012 and got heavily thrashed in every single match and I expect the same next month from the Windies. The main problem with Windies Cricket is because of lack of interest in Cricket as more and more West Indian people are participating and following sports like Athletics, Basketball and Soccer.

  • POSTED BY rayinto on | May 14, 2014, 12:43 GMT

    The problem with West Indies cricket is the coach who demotivates the players ( e.g. killed Sarwan's cricket). If Gibson had allowed Sarwan to flourish, we would have had a really good and experienced captain. Instead we are stuck with mediocrity - Ramdin does not even have respect for our national Heroes ( Viv Richards), yet, he is the best choice for zcaptain - such is the state of our cricket

  • POSTED BY cricketdebator on | May 14, 2014, 12:48 GMT

    Thinking about it, I concur with the views of Derryk Murray. If Ramdin is going to be the wicketkeeper across all three formats (which he should), then it would make sense to allow him to captain in them all (like in the case of Dhoni). No point in having a different captain for the shorter formats, as long as the test captain is a member of either those teams.

  • POSTED BY FOUR-REAL-QUICKS on | May 14, 2014, 13:07 GMT

    T20 cricket has almost no resemblance to proper cricket, i.e. the test match. Any captain can say "pitch it up and keep it straight" and "knock it out the park". That basically sums up the kiddeie cricket that the world has fallen in love with from a captain's perspective. A test match on the other hand, commands real skill, knowledge, mental aptitude and determination. Ramdin deserves a chance to lead, he has done so for every other West Indian representative side so the natural progression cannot be overlooked. The ODI skipper and T20 can be chosen from others more suited to that type of game.

  • POSTED BY Rally_Windies on | May 14, 2014, 13:34 GMT

    oh no !

    ramdin cannot captain the 20/20 team... He is not a shoe in selection for 20/20 cricket ...

    Andre Fletcher, Nicholas Pooran and Dowritch , are all possible contenders for 20/20

  • POSTED BY on | May 14, 2014, 14:43 GMT

    One should never have used the word "sacked" in reference to Sammy's departure. He did what he was called upon to do. It should be recognized that he was not test material far less being captain. However he was thrust in that position because of egotistic action of a so called coach. Sarwan is still languishing from the coaches action. W.I cricket have not recovered from the dismantling of the team. I do nt believe that Sammy had a free reign. I hope that Ramdin will break that shackle and be his own. Gibson remains the only one left from the old order. The day should be at hand when the term " sacked" could really be used to fire Gibson

  • POSTED BY on | May 14, 2014, 14:54 GMT

    Why Why Why... very Sad day for WI cricket... We just can't seem to make progressive moves.. NZ is a more organized unit and will trash the WI (AGAIN)... Sammy was the best place holder until a youngster emerges to lead the team. Don't want to be too hard on Ramdin but he does not command any respect... We're about to get back to our indiscipline ways... How does he even qualify for the job? oh yea, he has a pulse..

  • POSTED BY on | May 14, 2014, 15:42 GMT

    20 players called to prepare for NZ tests: Denesh Ramdin (captain), Chris Gayle, Kraigg Brathwaite, Keiran Powell, Darren Bravo, Dwayne Bravo, Marlon Samuels, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Kirk Edwards, Jermaine Blackwood, Sunil Narine, Shannon Gabriel, Jerome Taylor, Sulieman Benn, Shane Shillingford, Kenroy Peters, Shane Dowrich, Ashley Nurse, Jason Holder and Kemar Roach.

  • POSTED BY King900 on | May 14, 2014, 20:32 GMT

    "Laziness" - I look at the body language of some West Indians, especially in current IPL and I see them just about going thru the motions. Pollard can be a great player but he puts very little effort into his bowling. On the other hand you look at the Aussies, South Africans and New Zealand players and they put all the effort in and it is reflected in how they play for their national teams.

    If the Windies can address the "cool attitude" of Caribbean players they might just start playing better cricket.

    The Windies of 1970s and 1980s could "swagger" because they produced the results but NOT the current group of wannabees.

  • POSTED BY on | May 14, 2014, 20:34 GMT

    chris gayle can't run between wicket , he is too slow,marlon samuels is hopeless since his injury,we need younger batsmen in this team, bowling looks decent but batting is lacking depth