Netherlands v SA, World T20, Group 1, Chittagong March 27, 2014

Domingo blames 'poor thinking' for South Africa's troubles

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So this is how South Africa do not want their batting line-up to operate. After the New Zealand game, in which they seemed to settle into their strategy of starting slowly, setting themselves up and then speeding up, South Africa took several steps backward against Netherlands. They started in a hurry, shuffled things around, were strangled and almost went up in smoke as a result.

The showing left Russell Domingo steaming. "Our thinking during the innings hasn't been where it needs to be," he said. "There were some poor dismissals and some poor thinking which set us back big time today."

Although Faf du Plessis said net run-rate would not enter South Africa's minds ahead of winning the match, it was evident that it had. Hashim Amla smashed more runs off Michael Swart's second over than he has done in any over in T20 cricket in the past. Whether he was motivated by criticism over his strike rate, the loss of his opening partner early (which is when he has scored the bulk of his runs in domestic T20), the team cause or simply the opportunity to do so is anyone's guess but Amla did what was required of him when the situation demanded it.

"In our domestic T20s, Hashim had the second best strike rate of all players in South Africa," Domingo said. "His strike rate for me is not a major concern. He is a quality player. He is always going to find the gaps and the boundaries when it's his day. So we are pretty happy with how he hit the ball today."

What happened after that would not have made Domingo happy at all. Faf du Plessis and AB de Villiers played careless shots in an attempt to go big and put South Africa on a path of implosion. Neither have shown much responsibility with the bat in this format for a while. Du Plessis, who suffered patchy form stretching back to last year's Champions Trophy that saw him dropped from South Africa's ODI squad, has not crossed 30 in six innings; de Villiers hasn't breached that mark in nine innings.

Between them, du Plessis and de Villiers are supposed to be the spokes on which the South African batting wheels turn. Instead, they're getting the side stuck in the mud more often than not and leaving it to the players either side of them to make amends. They, and de Villiers in particular, may be playing out of character because of the continued shifting of their roles which hasn't given them enough time to establish themselves in a position.

Du Plessis wants to bat higher up but by doing so keeps de Villiers too low down for him to make the impact South Africa want. And if it isn't enough that the roles of these two yo-yo, South Africa can't even decide on a middle-order combination they will stick to, a problem that has been with them since Gary Kirsten introduced the floating batting line-up. JP Duminy, who is in form and was their top-scorer in the previous two matches, has had success at No.5 but South Africa opted to promote Albie Morkel ahead of him.

There is an argument to be made for giving Morkel time in the middle, mostly because he has not had much, but to do it in a major tournament illustrates South Africa have got the timing of their experimentation wrong. Morkel should have been picked for the umpteen matches they played in the lead-up to the tournament. To do it here, in a match they needed to win big, not only highlights how lightly they regarded their opposition but also how much homework they have not done.

Domingo justified the decision even though it did not pay off and accepted he would be criticised no matter which way he went. "If we stick with the same line-up, people say we do the same things over and over; if we change it, people say we change it too much," he said. "Albie Morkel is a player who goes in in with the intention to try and take it on from ball one and JP needs a bit of time to get started, which is why we sent Albie in. It looked like a bad decision because AB got out at the wrong time but the strategy was for AB to try and hold it together for us and Albie to try and take it on with batting still to come. It didn't work out for us."

Because it did not work South Africa could find themselves on the wrong end of a net run-rate calculation and may look back on the Netherlands match as the game where they got it wrong. Domingo already hinted as much. "The danger of playing sides like Holland," he said, "is that you try and do things that you maybe shouldn't have or try and take on players who you wouldn't have taken on if you are playing so-called established sides."

South Africa fell into a complacency trap of sorts but there was a positive they could take out of it. Beating Netherlands in such tense fashion made it the second game in succession in which pressure did not get the better of them. Like the approach to the batting-line up, Domingo accepted there were pros and cons to winning in such close circumstances but he could do nothing but hope the former outweigh the latter.

"We are a strange cricket nation. If we win two or three games comfortably, people are accused of peaking at the wrong time, and if we win two close games, people say we are playing badly," he said. "We can take a lot of positives out of the way we dealt with the pressure in these two tight games and we can fall back on those experiences when we get into tight games as the competition progresses." If, some will argue, their batting line-up allows them to get that far.

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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  • aahahaa on March 29, 2014, 8:41 GMT

    Tsotsobe, Behardien, Phangiso - shouldn't be there in 15. Albie's bowling is pathetic. Miller, from the looks of it, doesn't know what his role is. QdK and AB throwing their wickets away too easily. M Morkel, inspite of his speed and height advantage, is still not able to sort his length and line out for T20. If not for Steyn, Tahir and JP's brilliance SA might well be 0-3 down. It is hard enough winning T20 with 11 of your best players against top sides, especially in the sub-continent but to hope to do it with so many undeserving/ under performing players is next to impossible. SA might still win this but that wont be because they are best side in the competition. IMO, Faf has been good with his captaincy. poor thinking?? I thought the coaches and analysts are supposed to do the major part of that. get Jennings.

  • Shongololo on March 28, 2014, 23:41 GMT

    @ MrGarreth...isn't it about time Miller showed what he's supposedly capable of, because so far he has looked very ordinary. And as for the Afridi comparison, you conveniently omit to mention the four overs of pretty decent spin Afridi brings...whereas Miller is a batsman only so has to be judged solely on his performance with bat in hand. I do hope he comes good, just haven't seen anything to give me great confidence.

  • Greatest_Game on March 28, 2014, 23:25 GMT

    Batstats contd ...

    66% of de Kock's runs are boundaries. At SR 117 it means dots, few singles, & no strike rotation. That WILL slow Amla down, breaking his rhythm. QdK swings & misses, stranding Hash, who slows down to gain control. His 56% in boundaries & higher SR are more balanced.

    JP's 46% from boundsries, but good SR, mean running & rotating strike, not swinging. Faf, same SR, 54% in boundaries, hits out more, & gets out quicker. AB just swings - SR from 21 runs @ 87.5 to 30 @ 230.76. Always out caught fielder or bowled. 2 caught behind & no lbw in 20 inngs. He's not establishing & building inngs, in at 1, 3, 4, 5 or 6!

    Miller's 131 SR & 44% boundaries means 1s & 2s. He's been in & out early as the 9th over, & is usually in by the 15th Against SL he was in at 16, scored a 4, then ran 14. He's not being a finisher!

    Except JP, they are all OVERCOMPENSATING: its not WHERE they bat, but HOW they bat that screams lack of confidence, anxiety, & pressure. That is a COACHING failure.

  • Greatest_Game on March 28, 2014, 23:23 GMT

    Forget the opinions about SA's batting, lets talk batstats: the batsmens' stats since 2012. They have meaning, if well examined.

    BEST: Duminy's ave of 48 is huge, but his 29% not-out (n/o) makes Faf's ave of 33 @ 21% n/o pretty comparable. Amlas ave 27 @ 11% n/o is, realistically, close too: what ties the 3 as the "best in batting value" is ALL have a SR of 124. Hi scores: JP 86, Faf 85, Hash (& QdK) 48.

    NOT BAD: Millers ave 22 @ n/o 17%, & SR 131 balances with De Kocks higher ave 30 @ 27% n/o, but low SR 117.8. NOTE: QdK SLOWER THAN AMLA! Interestingly, QdK scores the most boundaries - 66% of score, with Amla's 56% 2nd. Miller's lowest of all, 41%, & a hi score of 36, suggest 'nurdler' rather than 'big hitter!'

    OH NO: AB's ave 18 @ 10% n/o, is just bad. Worse, he has the LOWEST SR - 116.96! 48% in boundaries is below ave, & a hi score of 39, for AB is pathetic!

    POOR: Albie, hi score 18, ave 18 @ 42% n/o. Big SR, no runs...might get lucky. Behardien ave 22.8 @ 46% n/o

    Continues...

  • GermanPlayer on March 28, 2014, 21:29 GMT

    Mr Domingo, for the love of God, please sort out this batting order. I don't remember the last time Miller and Morkel played a good innings lower in the order. However, I do remember two innings from Miller where he rescued the team and played well, meaning when given proper time, he can flourish. Albie is hopeless, giving those dollies with the ball and struggling as always with the bat. Either use Miller up or let him go. And use Albie at one down. He either fires or doesn't and at least you know that he has failed and can recover rather than see him waste deliveries at the end and then get out. pathetic so far from SA batting lineup.

  • crashed on March 28, 2014, 20:32 GMT

    S A vs Eng and NZ vs SL will determine semi final places nrr will determine first and second places the winners of these games go to the semis

  • Greatest_Game on March 28, 2014, 15:49 GMT

    @ Muneeb_Dawood comments that "AB's shot selection ... has been poor all tournament. It's difficult to single him out given his amazing performances over the last 2 years."

    AB's amazing test & ODI batting over the past 2 years led to his "best batsman in the world" reputation." But, this hides a BIG GLARING FACT: in T20s he has been rubbish!

    Jan 2012, in 20 inngs he scored 324, 2 N/O, ave 18 at SR 116.96. (Without the 2 N/Os, 18 inngs, 284 runs, ave 15.77.) That's decidedly less than amazing. That's awful!

    In comparison, Amla - accused of dragging the team down by slowing the strike rate - since 2012, as opener & batting anchor, in 19 innings made 461 runs, 2 N/O, ave 27.11 at SR 123.92! Seven LESS balls per innings, & 10 MORE runs than AB.

    And, REALLY underated is Duminy. Same period, 17 inngs, 577 runs, 5 N/O, ave 48.08 at SR 124.62.

    FACT: "over the last 2 years," the "amazing" Duminy was SA's best, Hash very good, & AB pathetic! Don't believe ALL the AB hype - stats don't lie!

  • AltafPatel on March 28, 2014, 14:49 GMT

    Poor bowling management was the main cause. By which logic Tahir was not called till 7th over (60 overs) when top 9 out of 10 bowlers in T20I are spinners and conditions has helped spinners so far and every team opens bowl with spinners. And they average score to defend. Under such circumstances, bowler calls their best bowlers first to defend not a big total. Even Steyn was given ball after Albie, Henrik, and Tsotsobe and that cost them. Luckily middle, lower order of Netherland threw away wickets and a wrong lbw decision saved the match for them. I am from India but SA is might first favorite but this time I wished they lose the game.

  • Greatest_Game on March 28, 2014, 14:16 GMT

    Let's be straight. A coach builds a team. With selectors, picks the BEST, defines strengths, builds strategies, & with the captain implements & directs them. He's in command -no fitness, form or injury worries. He wages the wars, & the Captains lead the armies into battle. BUT, the commander is still there!!!

    Domingo blames the team for "poor thinking?" HIS JOB is to build positive, directed, focused thinking. He's responsible for the stupid decision to send in Albie. Why was Albie picked if he needs time? He is always out within in an over or 2 anyway. Tahir gets no time, yet faced half the balls, made twice the runs, at 3 times the SR! Albie's bowling is worthless too.

    Miller needs time? Really? He had time: in at over 13, out in over 18, had half the strike & made 17 at SR 94.

    Why Albie & Behardien? SA has a dozen better. Tsotsobe is a liability, bat, bowl or field, yet Parnell & Hendricks carry drinks.

    Domingo: YOU are failing! Do your job! Don't blame the players - LEAD THEM!

  • on March 28, 2014, 13:37 GMT

    SA team selection is the mail problem. Faf will do better to go down at 6. AB at 3 and JP at 4 needs to be fixed. Number 5 can be floating- between Miller and Albie.. Then things can change. But it's going to hurt soon- the performance against the Dutch.- once run rate comes into play which it will.

  • aahahaa on March 29, 2014, 8:41 GMT

    Tsotsobe, Behardien, Phangiso - shouldn't be there in 15. Albie's bowling is pathetic. Miller, from the looks of it, doesn't know what his role is. QdK and AB throwing their wickets away too easily. M Morkel, inspite of his speed and height advantage, is still not able to sort his length and line out for T20. If not for Steyn, Tahir and JP's brilliance SA might well be 0-3 down. It is hard enough winning T20 with 11 of your best players against top sides, especially in the sub-continent but to hope to do it with so many undeserving/ under performing players is next to impossible. SA might still win this but that wont be because they are best side in the competition. IMO, Faf has been good with his captaincy. poor thinking?? I thought the coaches and analysts are supposed to do the major part of that. get Jennings.

  • Shongololo on March 28, 2014, 23:41 GMT

    @ MrGarreth...isn't it about time Miller showed what he's supposedly capable of, because so far he has looked very ordinary. And as for the Afridi comparison, you conveniently omit to mention the four overs of pretty decent spin Afridi brings...whereas Miller is a batsman only so has to be judged solely on his performance with bat in hand. I do hope he comes good, just haven't seen anything to give me great confidence.

  • Greatest_Game on March 28, 2014, 23:25 GMT

    Batstats contd ...

    66% of de Kock's runs are boundaries. At SR 117 it means dots, few singles, & no strike rotation. That WILL slow Amla down, breaking his rhythm. QdK swings & misses, stranding Hash, who slows down to gain control. His 56% in boundaries & higher SR are more balanced.

    JP's 46% from boundsries, but good SR, mean running & rotating strike, not swinging. Faf, same SR, 54% in boundaries, hits out more, & gets out quicker. AB just swings - SR from 21 runs @ 87.5 to 30 @ 230.76. Always out caught fielder or bowled. 2 caught behind & no lbw in 20 inngs. He's not establishing & building inngs, in at 1, 3, 4, 5 or 6!

    Miller's 131 SR & 44% boundaries means 1s & 2s. He's been in & out early as the 9th over, & is usually in by the 15th Against SL he was in at 16, scored a 4, then ran 14. He's not being a finisher!

    Except JP, they are all OVERCOMPENSATING: its not WHERE they bat, but HOW they bat that screams lack of confidence, anxiety, & pressure. That is a COACHING failure.

  • Greatest_Game on March 28, 2014, 23:23 GMT

    Forget the opinions about SA's batting, lets talk batstats: the batsmens' stats since 2012. They have meaning, if well examined.

    BEST: Duminy's ave of 48 is huge, but his 29% not-out (n/o) makes Faf's ave of 33 @ 21% n/o pretty comparable. Amlas ave 27 @ 11% n/o is, realistically, close too: what ties the 3 as the "best in batting value" is ALL have a SR of 124. Hi scores: JP 86, Faf 85, Hash (& QdK) 48.

    NOT BAD: Millers ave 22 @ n/o 17%, & SR 131 balances with De Kocks higher ave 30 @ 27% n/o, but low SR 117.8. NOTE: QdK SLOWER THAN AMLA! Interestingly, QdK scores the most boundaries - 66% of score, with Amla's 56% 2nd. Miller's lowest of all, 41%, & a hi score of 36, suggest 'nurdler' rather than 'big hitter!'

    OH NO: AB's ave 18 @ 10% n/o, is just bad. Worse, he has the LOWEST SR - 116.96! 48% in boundaries is below ave, & a hi score of 39, for AB is pathetic!

    POOR: Albie, hi score 18, ave 18 @ 42% n/o. Big SR, no runs...might get lucky. Behardien ave 22.8 @ 46% n/o

    Continues...

  • GermanPlayer on March 28, 2014, 21:29 GMT

    Mr Domingo, for the love of God, please sort out this batting order. I don't remember the last time Miller and Morkel played a good innings lower in the order. However, I do remember two innings from Miller where he rescued the team and played well, meaning when given proper time, he can flourish. Albie is hopeless, giving those dollies with the ball and struggling as always with the bat. Either use Miller up or let him go. And use Albie at one down. He either fires or doesn't and at least you know that he has failed and can recover rather than see him waste deliveries at the end and then get out. pathetic so far from SA batting lineup.

  • crashed on March 28, 2014, 20:32 GMT

    S A vs Eng and NZ vs SL will determine semi final places nrr will determine first and second places the winners of these games go to the semis

  • Greatest_Game on March 28, 2014, 15:49 GMT

    @ Muneeb_Dawood comments that "AB's shot selection ... has been poor all tournament. It's difficult to single him out given his amazing performances over the last 2 years."

    AB's amazing test & ODI batting over the past 2 years led to his "best batsman in the world" reputation." But, this hides a BIG GLARING FACT: in T20s he has been rubbish!

    Jan 2012, in 20 inngs he scored 324, 2 N/O, ave 18 at SR 116.96. (Without the 2 N/Os, 18 inngs, 284 runs, ave 15.77.) That's decidedly less than amazing. That's awful!

    In comparison, Amla - accused of dragging the team down by slowing the strike rate - since 2012, as opener & batting anchor, in 19 innings made 461 runs, 2 N/O, ave 27.11 at SR 123.92! Seven LESS balls per innings, & 10 MORE runs than AB.

    And, REALLY underated is Duminy. Same period, 17 inngs, 577 runs, 5 N/O, ave 48.08 at SR 124.62.

    FACT: "over the last 2 years," the "amazing" Duminy was SA's best, Hash very good, & AB pathetic! Don't believe ALL the AB hype - stats don't lie!

  • AltafPatel on March 28, 2014, 14:49 GMT

    Poor bowling management was the main cause. By which logic Tahir was not called till 7th over (60 overs) when top 9 out of 10 bowlers in T20I are spinners and conditions has helped spinners so far and every team opens bowl with spinners. And they average score to defend. Under such circumstances, bowler calls their best bowlers first to defend not a big total. Even Steyn was given ball after Albie, Henrik, and Tsotsobe and that cost them. Luckily middle, lower order of Netherland threw away wickets and a wrong lbw decision saved the match for them. I am from India but SA is might first favorite but this time I wished they lose the game.

  • Greatest_Game on March 28, 2014, 14:16 GMT

    Let's be straight. A coach builds a team. With selectors, picks the BEST, defines strengths, builds strategies, & with the captain implements & directs them. He's in command -no fitness, form or injury worries. He wages the wars, & the Captains lead the armies into battle. BUT, the commander is still there!!!

    Domingo blames the team for "poor thinking?" HIS JOB is to build positive, directed, focused thinking. He's responsible for the stupid decision to send in Albie. Why was Albie picked if he needs time? He is always out within in an over or 2 anyway. Tahir gets no time, yet faced half the balls, made twice the runs, at 3 times the SR! Albie's bowling is worthless too.

    Miller needs time? Really? He had time: in at over 13, out in over 18, had half the strike & made 17 at SR 94.

    Why Albie & Behardien? SA has a dozen better. Tsotsobe is a liability, bat, bowl or field, yet Parnell & Hendricks carry drinks.

    Domingo: YOU are failing! Do your job! Don't blame the players - LEAD THEM!

  • on March 28, 2014, 13:37 GMT

    SA team selection is the mail problem. Faf will do better to go down at 6. AB at 3 and JP at 4 needs to be fixed. Number 5 can be floating- between Miller and Albie.. Then things can change. But it's going to hurt soon- the performance against the Dutch.- once run rate comes into play which it will.

  • on March 28, 2014, 13:22 GMT

    Yes, the constant shuffling is a problem. South Africa's overall balance sucks, too. We're carrying one specialist bowler too many. As a result, we're failing to maximize our batsmen's abilities and then, when things go wrong, our long tail can't recover.

    IMO, Amla is fine - his ODI and other T20 performances prove that. de Villiers should never move from 4. Ever. Miller's best at 5. Always. Those 3 positions should NEVER change. Looking at the rest, Duminy's probably the batsman who adapts best to different situations - he's perfect at 6. de Kock's fine as the other opener, and Faf's suited to 3 as long as he just keeps his head. As you can see, with the exception of Miller and Duminy's switch, this was the line-up for NZ.

    Far more important: we need an all-rounder after Albie (7). A spinner would be best, but none are in the squad, so Parnell it is (8). No Lopsy on these pitches, please - just Morne/Hendricks (10) to support Steyn (9) and Tahir (11).

    Simple. Quit the shuffling!

  • i-s-r-a-r on March 28, 2014, 12:03 GMT

    The real problem here is domingo. He just does not seem like the person who should have been kirsten's successor. Plus faf's inexperience in international level is not helping either. What he needs is a better coach to guide him through. We simply do not have the luxury of waiting for faf to learn from experience at this point. Someone needs to guide him well. Devilliers could have been the person but he is not a good captain himself either.

  • tripple-Digits on March 28, 2014, 10:58 GMT

    I cant understand why people are calling for heads to roll. Its not going to happen now unless someone injures himself. I fully agree that CSA underestimated the Netherlands, and was very lucky indeed to not pay the price of a loss to an associate member. I think our guys needed these strong challenges and frankly fear that their batting is lacking lots of confidence, and poor Mr Domingo will have to take the criticism as the decisions made by the team and management have not really worked all round mainly because of the players' personal performances. I do not think we have the perfect T20 team but we have very good players and can only wish that they improve their approaches to the next game and move on to the next round. I would like to see our team do well, and if one or two players fails, that the rest will contribute.

  • Protears on March 28, 2014, 10:29 GMT

    Where is Reeza Hendricks, Themba Bavuma, Khaya Zondo, Robbie Frylick, Rillee Roussouw, Stiaan Van Zyl, Chris Morris, Dane Piedt, Simon Harmer, Kyle Abbott, David Wiese, Marchant De Lange, Herdus Viljoen? oh right they are back home.

    Albie Morkel - IPL god international flop show, Morne Morkel - Mentally tired, Lonwabo Tsotsobe - Gun barrel straight military medium. Maybe them and our quota coach can get lost.

    Against England we should go; QDK, Amla, De Villiers, Duminy, Miller, Du Plessis, Parnell, Hendricks, Steyn, Tahir, Phangiso.

    As for the test side, Rillee and Stiaan both getting runs again, why are they not in the test team.

  • MCC_Tie on March 28, 2014, 10:00 GMT

    Domingo is trying to have his cake and eat it by moaning about the criticism from fans. Of COURSE we're upset, a side packed with exceptional cricketers almost lost to The Netherlands...(!) Yes we wanted Albie in there but as the article mentions, you cannot throw him in at a major tournament and expect instant success. JP had scored a brilliant 80 odd just a few days earlier, STICK TO THE PLANS. You either want to power hit early OR you want to build slowly and have a crack at the end. His thinking is too muddled, starting to doubt his appointment now after this and the Aus series.

  • Marktc on March 28, 2014, 9:45 GMT

    Tsotsobe may have been the cream of our limited bowling once...but it is clear he is not at all anymore. The dutch smashed him as though he was a club cricketer. Phangiso is a different pace, but may just be what we need in Lopsy's place. Steyn needs no justification. JP should never come in after Albie Maorkel, who should onlyu see the last few overs. He is not an innings builder, but as smasher who plays big and goes out. Miller, needs to come in when he can play freely for us to really appreciate his talent. Domingo is quick to point out the problems, but must realize he is part of the problem. From the beginning, I have said he is not the right person to take over from Kirsten. I really think the Netherlands deserved to win yesterday and other than Amla, Steyn and Tahir, the only comfort was how we kept our cool and fought back--again..from the jaws of defeat. Sheraz, I really doi hope you are correct in your prediction because if SA carry on playing like this, we will be trashed

  • on March 28, 2014, 8:48 GMT

    I don't think it's "'poor thinking'" but rather "Poor Selection" which then leaves "Poor Thinking" inevitable. Tahir and Steyn are bowling well but they can only bowl 8 overs between them which leaves us with 12 overs to work on.. I never for a second doubted JP Duminy but damn I had banked so much on AB and hopefully with time it will pay off.. We have been very sloppy in the past 2 games and if we have any intention of even playing in the semis we need to pull up our socks..

  • KhilenNaidoo on March 28, 2014, 8:22 GMT

    IT, DS, HA, JPD have arrived. Well done to selectors on this. AB - Can shine at anytime FDP - Excellent fielding, inexperienced captain, needs to bat responsibly. AM - He has had his chance & now he is failing as normal. DJ Jacobs should have been selected. CS Delport, guys with fast hands on slower wickets, hit more boundaries. MM - One bad game, he will be back. LT - Not fast enough, not consistent enough & should not be playing T20. Kyle Abbot 1st choice replacement, never on the plane. 2nd choice Beuron Hendrinks. DM - Yet to show in international cricket & holds the bat to tight, goes hard at the ball, & try's to play straight on a wicket that skids or grids. Needs to stay deep in the crease & hit slightly to the leg side or offside & sweep the spinners with fast hands. Deserves his place & will shine. AP - Unlucky not to play & deserves his place. QDK - Young, inexperienced & has the potential. Place earned. He will shine. SA selection needs to wake up.

  • Stormf on March 28, 2014, 8:22 GMT

    The competition so far shows that spin is the best option yet we continue with a pace attack. Let Phangiso come in for Tsotsobe and Parnell for Albie. My team in batting order : Amla. De Kock, AB, JP, Miller, Faf, Parnell, Steyn, Hendricks, Tahir, Phangiso.

  • on March 28, 2014, 8:10 GMT

    Hendriks for Morkel was spot on, now Lopsy has to be dropped for Phangiso as Parnell is to erratic and can lose a game by himself. batsmen should stick to the game plan, it works.

  • Anubhav-the-Experience on March 28, 2014, 8:06 GMT

    This proves the point that you can only play to win and trying to be extra-safe can lead to unnecessary pressure and trouble...Its unfortunate that teams are asked to concentrate on something more than a win... I hope Indian fans will remember this match forever...cause bad luck happens and we need to learn to accept it...it will happen in any case..

  • MrGarreth on March 28, 2014, 7:54 GMT

    I know a lot of people are calling for Miller's head but I've got say that that is ludicrous. There really is no one in the our country who can strike the ball better than him. I would go so far as to say that our T20 team should be built around him. He hasn't been great yes, but when he comes off he will single-handily win a semi or final if we get there. You simply do not discard players like that because of a few bad performances. Think of Afridi: He's knocks in the semi and final were absolutely crucial in Pakistan's world cup win yet he is a player who can string together bad performances one after the other. But Pakistan know his value. Hope SA still see the value in Miller and give the best opportunities to succeed. On another note would just like to mention the unsung hero from the the Netherland's game: Beuran Hendricks. Steyn and Tahir needed support and the youngest of the bowlers provided it. Good on ya!

  • Akhter786 on March 28, 2014, 7:26 GMT

    Tsotsobe needs to go. First it was Morkel and now Tsostsobe.. This shows how much on Steyn this so-called best pace attack depends. It is always him or none. South Africa's fast bowling credentials are eroded by time n again picking Tsotsobe and keeping young exciting talent like Abott on sidelines. Well what is he in team for. He can't field or bat or even run couple of runs, surely he can't bowl good enough to justify his self, unless and untill there is some political pressure

  • KunzMan on March 28, 2014, 7:21 GMT

    What does he mean poor thinking? Isn't the coach supposed to be part of the think tank? Although am an avid supporter of SA, I was praying for the Dutch to win for SA's future sake. Faf's captaincy is hopeless. Should have started off with spin. A layman like me can understand Tsotsobe needs to be dropped. If they make it official that quotas HAVE to be followed, then I better stop wasting burning my blood

  • TJP1000 on March 28, 2014, 7:19 GMT

    Can we have a mass protest action against the inclusion of Tsotsobe? I agree totally with Muneeb that Parnell should be included in his place. Steyn cannot walk in at 8 and Tsotsobe is the weakest link because he cannot bowl after the 14th over against test opposition (Netherlands are not a test playing nation). You also can't drop M. Morkel after 1 bad game, as he has consistently been our best bowler (Eventhough Steyn is by far the best bowler at the moment). Hendricks are a future prospect, but I think Morkel should play the next few games. With Parnell in for Tsotsobe the team has got a small chance...

  • on March 28, 2014, 7:18 GMT

    SA have started this world cup different from all the other ICC tournaments they played. 1. not favorites, in fact not even predicted to progress to Semis. 2. all the group games were tight wins, previously, they won the group games convincingly (with an odd loss inbetween) but fall at the knockout rounds. 3. a top order bowler is expensive in a match (vs SL steyn went for 9+,vs NZ morkel at 10+, and NED Lopsy) the batting is off, the bowling is off, and the fielding is adequate, but not outstanding. i think that this team is going to peak from the next game and win this thing

  • on March 28, 2014, 7:11 GMT

    To win this tourn we need a 2nd spinner. I would bring in Phangiso for Tsotsobe. Tsotsobe and Morkel have struggled. I would also bring in Parnell for Albie to balance the seam attack.

    My 11: Hash, De Kock, Faf, AB, JP, Miller, Parnell, Steyn, Hendericks, Pahngiso, Tahir!

    438% behind the boys!

  • on March 28, 2014, 6:54 GMT

    SA is trying hard to get out of the tournament but somehow they are surviving. very poor attitude towards the game.

  • marc_smet on March 28, 2014, 6:54 GMT

    With England beating Sri Lanka, at least the net run rate is out of the equation and both Sri Lanka-New Zealand and South Africa-England can be considered quarter final matches. It is assumed that Netherlands will not win a match.

  • AB_DeVilliers on March 28, 2014, 6:43 GMT

    One other thing I noticed in terms of group A permutations: If we assume both England and New Zealand willl beat the Netherlands, that leaves all Test teams on 4 points. It essentially means the next round of games where they play each other (SA v Eng and NZ v SL) becomes a quarterfinal of some sorts - winner goes through, loser goes home. Regardless of anything, if SA beat Eng they're in the semi's.

  • AB_DeVilliers on March 28, 2014, 6:39 GMT

    I don't mind juggling the batting order and promoting Albie like we did. The fact is, AB's shot selection at the time was poor, and has been poor all tournament. It's difficult to single him out given his amazing performances over the last 2 years, but if we want to win this thing, he has got to reign himself in a bit, and bat through the innings - boundaries will come.

    What I do mind is the continuous selection of Lopsy. He has now taken one wicket in his last 5 or 6 T20s. There is no justification for his selection. If it is quota, then we are fooling ourselves thinking we have a chance. This will add much needed batting depth - Steyn walking in at 8 is one spot too high.

    One last thing - Imraan Tahir has hit more sixes than Dave Miller in this tournament. If that is not something to ponder about, then our management needs a wake-up call.

  • on March 28, 2014, 6:31 GMT

    Tsotobe needs to go. At this point in time anyone else would be better than him. Why is Parnell not playing? Better batsman and definitely couldn't do any worse with the bowling...

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  • on March 28, 2014, 6:31 GMT

    Tsotobe needs to go. At this point in time anyone else would be better than him. Why is Parnell not playing? Better batsman and definitely couldn't do any worse with the bowling...

  • AB_DeVilliers on March 28, 2014, 6:39 GMT

    I don't mind juggling the batting order and promoting Albie like we did. The fact is, AB's shot selection at the time was poor, and has been poor all tournament. It's difficult to single him out given his amazing performances over the last 2 years, but if we want to win this thing, he has got to reign himself in a bit, and bat through the innings - boundaries will come.

    What I do mind is the continuous selection of Lopsy. He has now taken one wicket in his last 5 or 6 T20s. There is no justification for his selection. If it is quota, then we are fooling ourselves thinking we have a chance. This will add much needed batting depth - Steyn walking in at 8 is one spot too high.

    One last thing - Imraan Tahir has hit more sixes than Dave Miller in this tournament. If that is not something to ponder about, then our management needs a wake-up call.

  • AB_DeVilliers on March 28, 2014, 6:43 GMT

    One other thing I noticed in terms of group A permutations: If we assume both England and New Zealand willl beat the Netherlands, that leaves all Test teams on 4 points. It essentially means the next round of games where they play each other (SA v Eng and NZ v SL) becomes a quarterfinal of some sorts - winner goes through, loser goes home. Regardless of anything, if SA beat Eng they're in the semi's.

  • marc_smet on March 28, 2014, 6:54 GMT

    With England beating Sri Lanka, at least the net run rate is out of the equation and both Sri Lanka-New Zealand and South Africa-England can be considered quarter final matches. It is assumed that Netherlands will not win a match.

  • on March 28, 2014, 6:54 GMT

    SA is trying hard to get out of the tournament but somehow they are surviving. very poor attitude towards the game.

  • on March 28, 2014, 7:11 GMT

    To win this tourn we need a 2nd spinner. I would bring in Phangiso for Tsotsobe. Tsotsobe and Morkel have struggled. I would also bring in Parnell for Albie to balance the seam attack.

    My 11: Hash, De Kock, Faf, AB, JP, Miller, Parnell, Steyn, Hendericks, Pahngiso, Tahir!

    438% behind the boys!

  • on March 28, 2014, 7:18 GMT

    SA have started this world cup different from all the other ICC tournaments they played. 1. not favorites, in fact not even predicted to progress to Semis. 2. all the group games were tight wins, previously, they won the group games convincingly (with an odd loss inbetween) but fall at the knockout rounds. 3. a top order bowler is expensive in a match (vs SL steyn went for 9+,vs NZ morkel at 10+, and NED Lopsy) the batting is off, the bowling is off, and the fielding is adequate, but not outstanding. i think that this team is going to peak from the next game and win this thing

  • TJP1000 on March 28, 2014, 7:19 GMT

    Can we have a mass protest action against the inclusion of Tsotsobe? I agree totally with Muneeb that Parnell should be included in his place. Steyn cannot walk in at 8 and Tsotsobe is the weakest link because he cannot bowl after the 14th over against test opposition (Netherlands are not a test playing nation). You also can't drop M. Morkel after 1 bad game, as he has consistently been our best bowler (Eventhough Steyn is by far the best bowler at the moment). Hendricks are a future prospect, but I think Morkel should play the next few games. With Parnell in for Tsotsobe the team has got a small chance...

  • KunzMan on March 28, 2014, 7:21 GMT

    What does he mean poor thinking? Isn't the coach supposed to be part of the think tank? Although am an avid supporter of SA, I was praying for the Dutch to win for SA's future sake. Faf's captaincy is hopeless. Should have started off with spin. A layman like me can understand Tsotsobe needs to be dropped. If they make it official that quotas HAVE to be followed, then I better stop wasting burning my blood

  • Akhter786 on March 28, 2014, 7:26 GMT

    Tsotsobe needs to go. First it was Morkel and now Tsostsobe.. This shows how much on Steyn this so-called best pace attack depends. It is always him or none. South Africa's fast bowling credentials are eroded by time n again picking Tsotsobe and keeping young exciting talent like Abott on sidelines. Well what is he in team for. He can't field or bat or even run couple of runs, surely he can't bowl good enough to justify his self, unless and untill there is some political pressure