England v Netherlands, World T20 Group 1, Chittagong March 31, 2014

Giles unsure of effect on job prospects

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Ashley Giles said he didn't know whether England's humiliation at the hands of Netherlands would have a negative impact on his prospects of becoming head coach across all three formats but accepted that the performance was unacceptable from the players he hopes to lead on a full-time basis.

A 45-run defeat to an Associate team completed a winter of miserable cricket from England. Giles has been in charge for a good proportion of it with ODI and T20 series defeats in Australia followed by another 20-over reverse in the Caribbean. But being rolled by the Netherlands saw England plumb new depths. It was not what Giles wanted to take into the interview room at Lord's.

"It never helps does it, losing to Holland," he said. "We wanted to leave here after what in some ways were some positive performances with a win. It has been a difficult winter. The sun will still come up tomorrow but sometimes it feels like it won't when you have days like that at the office and it wasn't good from anyone. I'm sure the ECB know that but there is not much more we can say except that it was unacceptable and embarrassing."

Giles thought England were complacent in their pursuit of 134 - a target that should have been swallowed up after previous totals of 193, 190 and 172 in the tournament. It was not the first time this winter that England have coughed up a match in pursuit of a target very much within reach.

"Unfortunately it has been quite a common trait of ours in these games to make them look difficult and to at times lose them and you can't do that," Giles said. "You can't just pick and choose when you are up for it. You have to be up for it all the time.

"We were not necessarily worried at half time," Giles said. "The messages were the same before the game and through the game. We prepared the side in the same way, we gave the same messages, the warm-ups were the same, our intensity the same, I thought we warmed up well. We had the same meetings and talked about concentrating on the job that needed to be done and then at half time making sure guys are in the right space."

Giles said he felt the pain of such a demoralising defeat and he will now hope he is given the chance to rebuild England. One result should not prove have too detrimental an effect on his credentials but he is entitled to field let down by his players. It would be a very disappointing end to his time as England coach if he wasn't appointed full time.

"We are all in this together. Don't get me wrong, when the guys go out there, there has to be some personal responsibility there as well, but we are a team, we stick together and we have all lost that match. It should hurt those guys as much as it hurts me and I hope it does.

"I would hope they will know that is not acceptable. Those sorts of performances are not good. We are playing for our country, all of us, every time you put on an England shirt, bowl a ball, field a ball, hit a ball you have to have everything in it and we weren't today.

"It wouldn't be your ideal way to go out. I said yesterday that we would have the odd blip and they don't get much bigger than this. If there could be any bright side it was that it wasn't all on going through to the semis. You would have hoped the team would have reacted differently if it was. It was a little bit of complacency but we can't afford those sorts of performances in a year. It is just not good enough."

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  • on April 1, 2014, 18:25 GMT

    Regardless of the strength of his squad, he has achieved nothing of note and frankly needed a miraculous innings from Hales to save him from absolute humiliation this tournament.

    Woefully short of ideas and his selection of certain players is laughable.

    The lack of pride on display shows how little influence he has.

    Welcome aboard!

  • on April 1, 2014, 15:19 GMT

    Disgrace that he can even be considered for the full job after the appauling performances with the team utterly devoid of character. What has he done to prove he can handle the Test team? Not a thing!

  • geoffboyc on April 1, 2014, 10:34 GMT

    Most of us who follow cricket avidly have ceased being surprised by ECB decisions so, in spite of this fiasco, who knows? Giles is a very decent bloke and was a steady player with bat and ball, but that won't make him a successful coach at Test level, particularly if others are telling him who he can and can't pick. Whoever they appoint will a bit of a gamble in the current climate but a Giles/Cook duo doesn't set the pulses racing.

  • Daniel_Smith on April 1, 2014, 8:38 GMT

    Giles unsure of effect on job prospects - well, Ash I can tell you being thrashed by part-timers isn't going to do your chances any favours at all. Although why you need other people to point out the bleeding obvious is beyond me but whilst we're at it how about a few other things.

    Teach the lads to bowl properly, teach them to catch and teach them to bat sensibly.

  • WillDuff on April 1, 2014, 8:14 GMT

    Giles must NOT get the job. He is just not up to it. He doesn't have the experience and he doesn't have the skills. Read Michael Carberry's interview today: his report of Giles's man-management skills is very telling.

    It's also said that the ECB might be lining up Peter Moores to come back. Again, the fans say NO. England need a fresh approach, not a return of the failed headmaster. We need players to take responsibility for their performances with the support of the management, not another sergeant major drilling them to produce yet another sterile series of failures.

  • Nutcutlet on April 1, 2014, 8:13 GMT

    Will someone (Paul Downton, I suppose) kindly put Ash out of his misery. I just don't like people suffering needlessly. Just tell him it won't be worth his while attending the interview. AG can then go on holiday and afterwards he can return to Edgbaston where work will be found for him, I have no doubt.

  • on April 1, 2014, 8:06 GMT

    Ashley Giles was an average player and he is an average coach...although I won't be surprised if he is given the England job...

  • on April 1, 2014, 8:03 GMT

    If Giles gets the job we can expect several years of "egoless" team performances - in other words, boring and uninspiring and playing to a pre-determined plan despite what the match position presents. Decent man but not an international team manager - hopelessly out of his depth and his appointment would ultimately affect attendances. It would be like appointing Torquays manager as England coach.

  • on April 1, 2014, 7:59 GMT

    @Nataraj Krishnan: Are you actually aware that Pietersen's last completed T20 game for England was February 2012 ? Quite a long time ago...

  • notimeforcricket on April 1, 2014, 6:50 GMT

    Australia were clearly a much better team than we realised, as shown when they went (probably exhausted and bruise) to SA and won but the manner in which England simply gave up was disappointing. Again, here, despite losing games, there was evidence that the guys were fighting. I would put Ian Bell in change with a completely new coach. They need to interview all the county coaches. Giles was always a good honest trier and, in his defence, he has always been heavily restricted - in this instance I am sure Stokes and Root would have made a difference to batting and bowling. Giles and Cook is a depressing combination though. need some inspiration. Ian Bell for captain I say. 2 years, then move to someone else. it is clearly an exhausting job. bring in Robson and Taylor to the test team.

  • on April 1, 2014, 18:25 GMT

    Regardless of the strength of his squad, he has achieved nothing of note and frankly needed a miraculous innings from Hales to save him from absolute humiliation this tournament.

    Woefully short of ideas and his selection of certain players is laughable.

    The lack of pride on display shows how little influence he has.

    Welcome aboard!

  • on April 1, 2014, 15:19 GMT

    Disgrace that he can even be considered for the full job after the appauling performances with the team utterly devoid of character. What has he done to prove he can handle the Test team? Not a thing!

  • geoffboyc on April 1, 2014, 10:34 GMT

    Most of us who follow cricket avidly have ceased being surprised by ECB decisions so, in spite of this fiasco, who knows? Giles is a very decent bloke and was a steady player with bat and ball, but that won't make him a successful coach at Test level, particularly if others are telling him who he can and can't pick. Whoever they appoint will a bit of a gamble in the current climate but a Giles/Cook duo doesn't set the pulses racing.

  • Daniel_Smith on April 1, 2014, 8:38 GMT

    Giles unsure of effect on job prospects - well, Ash I can tell you being thrashed by part-timers isn't going to do your chances any favours at all. Although why you need other people to point out the bleeding obvious is beyond me but whilst we're at it how about a few other things.

    Teach the lads to bowl properly, teach them to catch and teach them to bat sensibly.

  • WillDuff on April 1, 2014, 8:14 GMT

    Giles must NOT get the job. He is just not up to it. He doesn't have the experience and he doesn't have the skills. Read Michael Carberry's interview today: his report of Giles's man-management skills is very telling.

    It's also said that the ECB might be lining up Peter Moores to come back. Again, the fans say NO. England need a fresh approach, not a return of the failed headmaster. We need players to take responsibility for their performances with the support of the management, not another sergeant major drilling them to produce yet another sterile series of failures.

  • Nutcutlet on April 1, 2014, 8:13 GMT

    Will someone (Paul Downton, I suppose) kindly put Ash out of his misery. I just don't like people suffering needlessly. Just tell him it won't be worth his while attending the interview. AG can then go on holiday and afterwards he can return to Edgbaston where work will be found for him, I have no doubt.

  • on April 1, 2014, 8:06 GMT

    Ashley Giles was an average player and he is an average coach...although I won't be surprised if he is given the England job...

  • on April 1, 2014, 8:03 GMT

    If Giles gets the job we can expect several years of "egoless" team performances - in other words, boring and uninspiring and playing to a pre-determined plan despite what the match position presents. Decent man but not an international team manager - hopelessly out of his depth and his appointment would ultimately affect attendances. It would be like appointing Torquays manager as England coach.

  • on April 1, 2014, 7:59 GMT

    @Nataraj Krishnan: Are you actually aware that Pietersen's last completed T20 game for England was February 2012 ? Quite a long time ago...

  • notimeforcricket on April 1, 2014, 6:50 GMT

    Australia were clearly a much better team than we realised, as shown when they went (probably exhausted and bruise) to SA and won but the manner in which England simply gave up was disappointing. Again, here, despite losing games, there was evidence that the guys were fighting. I would put Ian Bell in change with a completely new coach. They need to interview all the county coaches. Giles was always a good honest trier and, in his defence, he has always been heavily restricted - in this instance I am sure Stokes and Root would have made a difference to batting and bowling. Giles and Cook is a depressing combination though. need some inspiration. Ian Bell for captain I say. 2 years, then move to someone else. it is clearly an exhausting job. bring in Robson and Taylor to the test team.

  • on April 1, 2014, 5:58 GMT

    for all english supporters claiming t20 is nonsence...y does ecb even send us a team to compete....u all can boycot...juss accept the fact that england is not good enough...even after purchasing players around the world....

  • on April 1, 2014, 5:34 GMT

    Look on the bright side. This was an egoless loss ...

  • on April 1, 2014, 5:06 GMT

    Kevin Petersen ! Kevin Petersen ! Kevin Petersen ! Kevin Petersen !

  • cloudmess on April 1, 2014, 2:47 GMT

    But he's been England ODI coach for over a year now. He's not just some novice starting out, looking to re-build. England have dropped several places in both ODI and T20 rankings in that time. How much will the test team decline over the next 2 or 3 years as he seeks to rebuild and improve team spirit? If after all of this, the ECB are still only considering Giles in the interviewing process than they are either being dishonest in some way or very stupid.

  • greenandgold_crickets_bogans on April 1, 2014, 1:54 GMT

    Dear ECB, if you don't see this as the final nail in the "Ashley Giles as director of cricket" coffin I don't see what is. There is no sporting code in the world who wouldn't be calling for his head already based on his results, let alone consider him for a promotion to director of all formats. Admittedly the players have to accept some responsibility here, but look what Boof did with the same team of ozzie players... Winning comes from the TOP. And to leave KP at home when his main adversary, Cook isnt even in the squad is punishable by firing squad. I will defect to following netball if he keeps his job beyond May.

  • JG2704 on March 31, 2014, 21:33 GMT

    I think it's unfair that a result like this should affect Giles chances of getting the full England job.

    What instead they shouild do is look at all our recent T20 performances and then rule him out. The SL,NZ and SA batting performances were decent but the bowling performances were abviously abysmal - as they have been for some time.

    The strange thing is that today's shambolic batting performance was more reminiscent of how we'd fold when we had a big score to chase against someone like India or Australia and not (no disrespect meant to the Dutch) a sub 150 score. Not wanting to tempt fate here but this has to be as low as it gets. We have been beaten by Netherlands and Ireland before but both fairly narrowly. This was a thrashing despite not having a daunting score to chase.

  • AnoMaLy on March 31, 2014, 20:55 GMT

    Giles has achieved nothing so far. Average player at best when he was playing for Eng. When you have someone like Sir Ian Botham, Ian Chappel why look for overseas coaches?

  • on March 31, 2014, 20:33 GMT

    Without KP England do not look like half the team they were with him. What will it take to prove this to the powers that be that there simply is no one close to his level in all 3 formats. Cook and Bell's magical form also seems to have come to an abrupt end. It feels strangely like the England of the 80s. Still lot of exciting young talent but absolutely no one showing any control over their nerve.

  • Farooq3 on March 31, 2014, 20:33 GMT

    That takes care of "England holding its head high" claim.

    ECB's entire top brass should be sacked which is making one bad decision after another starting from the sacking of KP!

    Broad should immediately be removed from captaincy along with Giles. Eoin Morgan is a suitable replacement for Broad.

  • on March 31, 2014, 20:11 GMT

    Do not want Giles. Average player in his prime, even average coach. Bring back flower full time for all three formats or find a suitable replacement.

  • mirandola on March 31, 2014, 19:32 GMT

    Interesting that Giles has been thrown to the lions - the problem lies with the whole ECB and its old-boy network, focus on profit as opposed to quality or comfort for its slaves (professional cricketers), inability to be flexible with 'untoward' players (Swann, KP ...) and general lack of any cricketing nous whatsoever. If you go to the well too often, you'll find it dry (Trescothick, Trott and - I think - Cook) and if you only look at numbers, you'll lose your perspective on the real world (which is not made up of numbers, but people). The whole bunch should be slung out and England should start again (as Oz have done, with remarkable results).

  • Big_Chikka on March 31, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    clearly he giles, is incapable of affecting this team positively.............had he been the man we would have seen better results, on that note i think broad needs to go too.

  • on March 31, 2014, 18:59 GMT

    Anyone else feel like me that Ashley is not the guy to lead us forward? Shades of David Moyes! I would like to see someone in the Lehmann mould (though with rather better table manners!). Michael Vaughan, Andrew Strauss or maybe Collingwood spring to mind.

  • 2MikeGattings on March 31, 2014, 18:48 GMT

    Yesterday's man before he even arrived.

  • zoot364 on March 31, 2014, 18:14 GMT

    It was a very different sort of surface from the previous games. So just perhaps giving the same messages was entirely the wrong thing to do...

  • Nimantha1982 on March 31, 2014, 17:57 GMT

    The beginning of sliding English cricket was different coaches strategy to tests and limited overs. Until then they were in top of both formats. 2 different coaches made it complex and ultimately team built by Flower is in all sorts of troubles.

  • stumpedlloyd on March 31, 2014, 17:24 GMT

    This opening sentence says it all: "Ashley Giles said he didn't know whether England's humiliation at the hands of Netherlands would have a negative impact on his prospects of becoming head coach across all three formats." That he doesn't know speaks volumes about how incompetent the ECB is. How on earth could they even consider him? Then again, the only difference between selector James Whitaker and me is that he has played *one* more test than I have. Apparently, that makes him eminently qualified to be a national selector. I am sure they are scrambling in the halls of the ECB right now to blame this debacle on Kevin Pietersen. His attitude forced them to kick him out of the team forever and because of that, England lost. See? C'mon Giles Clarke, Paul Downton and James Whitaker, find someone to blame except yourselves and your staggering incompetence.

  • LSMKirkpatrick on March 31, 2014, 17:07 GMT

    I find myself in a dichotomy: On one hand I am embarressed to be an England supporter following this abysmal performance, on the other, I really don't care about T20. As I described this competition to a (non-cricketing) colleague as similar to deciding the Football world sup with a 5-a-side tournament.

    I would ask that we now get on with the serious business of the County Championship and prepare for the Tests against SL and India and put this nonsense behind us.

    This short form is not suited to English cricket: It is not in our nature, our temperament nor is it culturally significant.

    If Ashley Giles is given the Test coaching position then let it be on the basis of his suitability for Test cricket and nothing else. Appoint Paul Collingwood as deputy/assistant coach and let him look after the short format.

    Test Cricket remains the highest and purest form of the game. Only a money-mad television advertiser should have any consideration for anything less.

  • on March 31, 2014, 16:54 GMT

    He is just not coach quality, he was never a player of quality either. Sorry Giles but you will take England back in the dark ages again.

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  • on March 31, 2014, 16:54 GMT

    He is just not coach quality, he was never a player of quality either. Sorry Giles but you will take England back in the dark ages again.

  • LSMKirkpatrick on March 31, 2014, 17:07 GMT

    I find myself in a dichotomy: On one hand I am embarressed to be an England supporter following this abysmal performance, on the other, I really don't care about T20. As I described this competition to a (non-cricketing) colleague as similar to deciding the Football world sup with a 5-a-side tournament.

    I would ask that we now get on with the serious business of the County Championship and prepare for the Tests against SL and India and put this nonsense behind us.

    This short form is not suited to English cricket: It is not in our nature, our temperament nor is it culturally significant.

    If Ashley Giles is given the Test coaching position then let it be on the basis of his suitability for Test cricket and nothing else. Appoint Paul Collingwood as deputy/assistant coach and let him look after the short format.

    Test Cricket remains the highest and purest form of the game. Only a money-mad television advertiser should have any consideration for anything less.

  • stumpedlloyd on March 31, 2014, 17:24 GMT

    This opening sentence says it all: "Ashley Giles said he didn't know whether England's humiliation at the hands of Netherlands would have a negative impact on his prospects of becoming head coach across all three formats." That he doesn't know speaks volumes about how incompetent the ECB is. How on earth could they even consider him? Then again, the only difference between selector James Whitaker and me is that he has played *one* more test than I have. Apparently, that makes him eminently qualified to be a national selector. I am sure they are scrambling in the halls of the ECB right now to blame this debacle on Kevin Pietersen. His attitude forced them to kick him out of the team forever and because of that, England lost. See? C'mon Giles Clarke, Paul Downton and James Whitaker, find someone to blame except yourselves and your staggering incompetence.

  • Nimantha1982 on March 31, 2014, 17:57 GMT

    The beginning of sliding English cricket was different coaches strategy to tests and limited overs. Until then they were in top of both formats. 2 different coaches made it complex and ultimately team built by Flower is in all sorts of troubles.

  • zoot364 on March 31, 2014, 18:14 GMT

    It was a very different sort of surface from the previous games. So just perhaps giving the same messages was entirely the wrong thing to do...

  • 2MikeGattings on March 31, 2014, 18:48 GMT

    Yesterday's man before he even arrived.

  • on March 31, 2014, 18:59 GMT

    Anyone else feel like me that Ashley is not the guy to lead us forward? Shades of David Moyes! I would like to see someone in the Lehmann mould (though with rather better table manners!). Michael Vaughan, Andrew Strauss or maybe Collingwood spring to mind.

  • Big_Chikka on March 31, 2014, 19:31 GMT

    clearly he giles, is incapable of affecting this team positively.............had he been the man we would have seen better results, on that note i think broad needs to go too.

  • mirandola on March 31, 2014, 19:32 GMT

    Interesting that Giles has been thrown to the lions - the problem lies with the whole ECB and its old-boy network, focus on profit as opposed to quality or comfort for its slaves (professional cricketers), inability to be flexible with 'untoward' players (Swann, KP ...) and general lack of any cricketing nous whatsoever. If you go to the well too often, you'll find it dry (Trescothick, Trott and - I think - Cook) and if you only look at numbers, you'll lose your perspective on the real world (which is not made up of numbers, but people). The whole bunch should be slung out and England should start again (as Oz have done, with remarkable results).

  • on March 31, 2014, 20:11 GMT

    Do not want Giles. Average player in his prime, even average coach. Bring back flower full time for all three formats or find a suitable replacement.