As the Core Committee meeting of the BCCI was underway at the CCI, the
Parliamentarians and the CCI locked horns in a festival game for the
Jaipal Trophy. During the match, former Test cricketer and now BJP MP
Kirti Azad spoke to CricInfo on various issues relating to the match
fixing scandal.
Q. Do you agree that the Arjuna Awards should be taken away from
the tainted cricketers ?
A. I don't agree that such a step should be taken now. If
there was a case registered against them, the decision would have
come. Instead, there are more and more committees making more and more
inquiries into the matter. Almost every day a new committee is formed
to investigate the matter and also the report of the previous
committee. So all these committees are there but no one knows anything
concrete. Still it is not clear which match was fixed and who fixed
it. It is just the word of one player against the word of the other in
the matter. Even after so many committees and inquires, we still do
not know anything clearly yet. I am not happy with the various
reports. Considering the fact that the players were given the awards
for performances in a certain match, if that match is proved to be
fixed then I think the awards should be taken back. The bottom line is
that they have to prove the facts. Till now it is only trial by the
media, which has made a big issue out of it. The charges need to be
proved first, only then can a firm decision be taken.
Q. How do you think match fixing originated ?
A. As far as I see it, cricket has always been very popular
with the masses, but there was less coverage in the past. The only way
to follow the matches was through radio commentary. With the
introduction of TV and other media, it gained more popularity. More
people became aware of it. By listening to the radio, one cannot
understand what a gully is, or what a bail is. All Indians enjoy the
game but the awareness came only after TV came into the picture.
Slowly more and more people began following the game more closely and
it all perhaps started as a joke in the office between colleagues and
putting money on the results, all sportingly. Later, the betting
amount became larger, as more and more people began following the game
and small gambling syndicates started which may have led to the
scenario that we have today.
Q. What do you suggest to stop match-fixing ?
A. It's like this. We all know that a person has been
murdered, but we don't know who has been murdered. Like I said, it
needs to be proved first. If we are able to pinpoint the match that
was fixed, then the causes and the loop holes can be plugged. It is
very difficult to suggest any measures, if you don't know the cause of
the disease. Unless a firm decision comes up, there cannot be a
logical suggestion to solve the issue.
Q. What action do you think should be taken ?
A. If it is proved, those involved can be tried under the
gambling act. Even the punters or the bookies who have been in this
episode should be tried under the act. If they are able to prove that
players also are involved, they should also be tried under the same
illegal gambling act.
Q. Do you justify the life ban on Azharuddin ?
A. I will not like to name any specific player here, but I do
want to say that it is very hard on a player. I think they have
suffered a lot through this. There should be a firm decision either
way. Either they should be convicted or acquitted. One way should be
taken. There is no point banning a player for some time and then
reinstating him after he has been supposedly proved innocent.
Q. What is Parliament's reaction on the matter ?
A. Everyone is very passionate about cricket in India. Even
the members in Parliament are also very hurt on this issue. It's a
matter that concerns us all as Indians and not as parliamentarians or
officers. I initiated the first action in this regard and voiced my
opinion in the matter. Later when Hansie Cronje came up with the
statements, we were all hurt. Since we are very passionate about the
game, we would like to have a clear picture soon.
Q. Nayan Mongia was named to lead West Zone in the Duleep Trophy,
Both Tendulkar and Agarkar opted out. Do you think the players are
holding a grudge ?
A. No, I don't think that was the matter at all. In fact coach
John Wright must have asked a couple of players to have some rest from
cricket due to the hectic schedule that we have. So I think because
Tendulkar and Agarkar were not available for the match, Mongia got the
chance to lead the side.
Q. The Board has made it mandatory for the players to compete in
domestic matches. Do you think the coach is over ruling the Board's
decision ?
A. I think they would have had a chat and discussed the matter
and come to a logical solution. I don't think Wright has violated or
over ruled any of the Board's decisions.
Q. What is your reaction to the confrontation between Sunil
Gavaskar and Raj Singh ?
A. It is very sad to see that people in such high positions
are fighting over such egoistic matters. It is very sad for the game
in India coming as it does after the match fixing scandal. The NCA in
its first season produced talented boys who played for the country. I
think it will be bad for cricket in general if people in such high
positions act in such a manner. Cricket for us is more than a sport,
it is a religion that binds us all. It is very sad that such great
cricketers like Gavaskar are shown such treatment. We definitely need
more people like Gavaskar to help Indian cricket.