Politics November 17, 2006

"Stupid Indian" is racist, Mr Sutherland

You might wonder why Pak Spin has strayed into foreign territory but I have two dogs in this fight
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You might wonder why Pak Spin has strayed into foreign territory but I have two dogs in this fight. First, I'm a British Asian like Monty. Second, calling somebody a "stupid Indian" is abuse that crosses national boundaries simply because it is more about colour, culture, and religion than it is about nationality. If the Australian who abused Monty had called him "stupid" or a "stupid Brit/Pom/Steelback" he might have just about got away with it. But the reference to Monty's Indian roots is a reference to race and I'm afraid, Mr Sutherland, that it is a racist comment.

On the same day that the UK minister for sport urged a war on racism, in the same sport that, according to the ICC, has a zero tolerance policy towards racism, and on the back of an embarrassing tour by South Africa, it is highly improper for the chief executive of Cricket Australia to dismiss the racist taunts at Monty Panesar as "not too much racist."

James Sutherland owes Monty and the England team an apology. He also owes the ICC an explanation. Let's hope one is demanded of him.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • Manisha on December 9, 2006, 16:06 GMT

    Saying 'Indians are stupid' IS DEFINATELY racist.....midly so but it is racist. If they had said that Monty is stupd it wouldnt be racist. I would just like to remind you all that racism is defined as 'The belief that one 'racial group' is inferior to another and the practices of the dominant group to maintain the inferior position of the dominated group. Often defined as a combination of power, prejudice and discrimination.'' Saying that indians are stupid falls into that category so therefore it is racist. Its implying that all Indians are stupid....and just to clear that up....we are not! lol x

  • Zahra on December 2, 2006, 10:45 GMT

    woW! Umair that was bad...:D but a good one... racism discrimation and treating other people differently...is vvvery offending. pity on Mr. Mony...Yeahh ICC should do something about it

  • Umair Jafri on December 1, 2006, 12:51 GMT

    Mr.Euceph Ahmed - yes I monty is proud to be from an indian national, thats why he is playing in English team. May be thats is the justification why he was called another "Stupid Indian"

  • Basim Ali SAUDI ARABIA on December 1, 2006, 12:11 GMT

    Cricket is a Passion and as I have heard from a friend that there are two religions in Australia 1.Cricket and 2.Beaches (oops) :D

    Its quite the same in pakistan, although the National game of Pakistan is Hockey, But people almost die hard for cricket. Life without cricket is almost impossible for some.

    Racial Discrimination should not exist in Games. Because its a GAME. whoever its is? Black brown GORA (White) whatever.

  • Paul on November 30, 2006, 22:47 GMT

    Why don't we concentrate on what we ALL have in common - A love of cricket. Cheers Paul (Australia)

  • Umair Jafri on November 30, 2006, 15:08 GMT

    Marty-WHO is CALLING all Austrailians are racists, the thing is that racism has been a part of the human nature. As Human Being is like an ever hungry Beast, different people have conflicting interest and all those people have priority for their own interest. Im a Pakistani, I dont say that we dont have racists in our country. But no one can ignore the fact that it has been proven that Darrel Hair (One of the Elite Umpire of Australia) was a racist according to the proofes he could not proof. ICC have given there decision which is the biggest profe, secondly Darrel Hair asked for Money to Quit. Get your facts right. Thank You Very Much.

  • Khan5 on November 29, 2006, 15:23 GMT

    Justifying a racist comment with things like "South Africans did this, Pakistanis did that, English did this, Indians...etc etc ?????? GET A GRIP OF YOURSELVES!!! If this similar comment was made by any other person from any nation then it would be just as wrong. IT IS A RACIST COMMENT. Like it or not. Don't justify one wrong with another.

    "TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT." (Write it down)

  • sumz on November 29, 2006, 6:42 GMT

    I agree with Pat - just because u live in australia doesnt mean your racist, I am a muslim australian with a pakistani background and i have never had any racist comment passed to me...and for all those people who just think it exists in australia come off it...its everywhere..and yes mr sutherland is an idiot and darrel hair is also an idiot..its got nothing to do with being an aussie...dont blame the race blame the person..if you say all aussie's are like that then your just showing you are racist yourself.

  • Arun on November 27, 2006, 8:25 GMT

    I am an Indian. And although the incident hurts, it is neither unexpected, nor unreciprocated. I have witnessed downright racial boorishness from the people of Australia, England and other European countries as well as USA. At the same time, I have met some Aussies, Eurpoeans and Americans who are probably the most tolerant and humble people in the world.

    I have been to the Eden Gardens on numerous occasions and the crowd there has always been passionate, excitable and more than a little racial. However, while an Aussie remark on stupid Indians rankle all the members of the subcontinent, the crowds in India have equally obscene remarks about Aussies, English, South Africans as well as Pakistanis. I have been witness to innocent white spectators being publicly abused at the Eden. In Pakistan, I am sure there are taunts about kaffir Indians as well.

    All these comments are definitely racial, no question about it. And Mr. Sutherland is talking through his hat when he says he has doubts about it. However, this is not an Aussie trait, or Caucasian ... it is a global trait which has one dimension in down under and another in the subcontinent while still another in South Africa.

    One need not glorify the inedifying comments by giving them undue prominence in the media.

  • Marty on November 23, 2006, 23:27 GMT

    Ghalib Taimur - what point are you trying to make? First you say all Australians have too much attitude, then you say 'only' a large contingent are arrogant? Which stereotype are you going to use.

    There is no true evidence that Darrell Hair is biased against Pakistan - though I am not supporting his decisions regarding the The Oval and Inzamam run-out. The following links also show that he was held in high regard by both the ICC and Wisden before his sacking;

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/australia/content/story/267653.html

    http://www.sportal.com.au/cricket.asp?i=news&id=91117

    You might argue that Wisden voters are probably more likely to be white - but going along with some of the comments that have been made here it wouldn't be racist or arrogant at all to paint them as racists too. Pathetic.

  • Manisha on December 9, 2006, 16:06 GMT

    Saying 'Indians are stupid' IS DEFINATELY racist.....midly so but it is racist. If they had said that Monty is stupd it wouldnt be racist. I would just like to remind you all that racism is defined as 'The belief that one 'racial group' is inferior to another and the practices of the dominant group to maintain the inferior position of the dominated group. Often defined as a combination of power, prejudice and discrimination.'' Saying that indians are stupid falls into that category so therefore it is racist. Its implying that all Indians are stupid....and just to clear that up....we are not! lol x

  • Zahra on December 2, 2006, 10:45 GMT

    woW! Umair that was bad...:D but a good one... racism discrimation and treating other people differently...is vvvery offending. pity on Mr. Mony...Yeahh ICC should do something about it

  • Umair Jafri on December 1, 2006, 12:51 GMT

    Mr.Euceph Ahmed - yes I monty is proud to be from an indian national, thats why he is playing in English team. May be thats is the justification why he was called another "Stupid Indian"

  • Basim Ali SAUDI ARABIA on December 1, 2006, 12:11 GMT

    Cricket is a Passion and as I have heard from a friend that there are two religions in Australia 1.Cricket and 2.Beaches (oops) :D

    Its quite the same in pakistan, although the National game of Pakistan is Hockey, But people almost die hard for cricket. Life without cricket is almost impossible for some.

    Racial Discrimination should not exist in Games. Because its a GAME. whoever its is? Black brown GORA (White) whatever.

  • Paul on November 30, 2006, 22:47 GMT

    Why don't we concentrate on what we ALL have in common - A love of cricket. Cheers Paul (Australia)

  • Umair Jafri on November 30, 2006, 15:08 GMT

    Marty-WHO is CALLING all Austrailians are racists, the thing is that racism has been a part of the human nature. As Human Being is like an ever hungry Beast, different people have conflicting interest and all those people have priority for their own interest. Im a Pakistani, I dont say that we dont have racists in our country. But no one can ignore the fact that it has been proven that Darrel Hair (One of the Elite Umpire of Australia) was a racist according to the proofes he could not proof. ICC have given there decision which is the biggest profe, secondly Darrel Hair asked for Money to Quit. Get your facts right. Thank You Very Much.

  • Khan5 on November 29, 2006, 15:23 GMT

    Justifying a racist comment with things like "South Africans did this, Pakistanis did that, English did this, Indians...etc etc ?????? GET A GRIP OF YOURSELVES!!! If this similar comment was made by any other person from any nation then it would be just as wrong. IT IS A RACIST COMMENT. Like it or not. Don't justify one wrong with another.

    "TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT." (Write it down)

  • sumz on November 29, 2006, 6:42 GMT

    I agree with Pat - just because u live in australia doesnt mean your racist, I am a muslim australian with a pakistani background and i have never had any racist comment passed to me...and for all those people who just think it exists in australia come off it...its everywhere..and yes mr sutherland is an idiot and darrel hair is also an idiot..its got nothing to do with being an aussie...dont blame the race blame the person..if you say all aussie's are like that then your just showing you are racist yourself.

  • Arun on November 27, 2006, 8:25 GMT

    I am an Indian. And although the incident hurts, it is neither unexpected, nor unreciprocated. I have witnessed downright racial boorishness from the people of Australia, England and other European countries as well as USA. At the same time, I have met some Aussies, Eurpoeans and Americans who are probably the most tolerant and humble people in the world.

    I have been to the Eden Gardens on numerous occasions and the crowd there has always been passionate, excitable and more than a little racial. However, while an Aussie remark on stupid Indians rankle all the members of the subcontinent, the crowds in India have equally obscene remarks about Aussies, English, South Africans as well as Pakistanis. I have been witness to innocent white spectators being publicly abused at the Eden. In Pakistan, I am sure there are taunts about kaffir Indians as well.

    All these comments are definitely racial, no question about it. And Mr. Sutherland is talking through his hat when he says he has doubts about it. However, this is not an Aussie trait, or Caucasian ... it is a global trait which has one dimension in down under and another in the subcontinent while still another in South Africa.

    One need not glorify the inedifying comments by giving them undue prominence in the media.

  • Marty on November 23, 2006, 23:27 GMT

    Ghalib Taimur - what point are you trying to make? First you say all Australians have too much attitude, then you say 'only' a large contingent are arrogant? Which stereotype are you going to use.

    There is no true evidence that Darrell Hair is biased against Pakistan - though I am not supporting his decisions regarding the The Oval and Inzamam run-out. The following links also show that he was held in high regard by both the ICC and Wisden before his sacking;

    http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/australia/content/story/267653.html

    http://www.sportal.com.au/cricket.asp?i=news&id=91117

    You might argue that Wisden voters are probably more likely to be white - but going along with some of the comments that have been made here it wouldn't be racist or arrogant at all to paint them as racists too. Pathetic.

  • Mohammid Omran on November 22, 2006, 6:18 GMT

    Oh, please! get over it. As an Australian of Jordanian background this is all soooo boring. If the idiot in the crowd referred to Monty as a 'smart indian', is that racist? The great part of growing up in this great country is that everyone is treated equally, and you are able to joke or laugh at others' expense without fearing stupid, political correctness.

    People are too sensitive these days. The english fans will abuse Shane Warne in a manner that is far worse than anyone can comprehend. But hey, do the Aussies whinge ?? No way.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on November 22, 2006, 4:08 GMT

    MR. EUCEPH AHMED ....

    I am not defending Kamran Abbassi, he is neither my relative, friend nor my employer. I think you need to read Kamran's comments once again in reference to James Sutherland's racial slur against Monty. He tried to explain that Sutherland had gone too far and stooped too low, he has gone to the extent of digging out the roots of Monty (Indian roots) whereas, Monty was born in the UK and he is a British subject. Therefore, there is no need for that.

    Au contraire, you are referring to a general notion which our people refer to the British as "Gora Saheb" which is not a racial slur. It is same like the way British; "blacks" or 'browns'. But calling a black, a 'nigger' or a black African stupid, would be different from simply 'a black guy' or 'a brown guy'. It is also to note in what context it is said and what the intentions are. If they are meant as a reference to the context in which it is being referred or is it intentionally used as a derogatory racial slur to insult the other person? And we are not naive to see what James Sutherland is referring to? So, only to differ from Kamran's views, only to argue for the sake of an argument or to make a point, whether it makes any sense or not if you are differing from his views and opinions is not going to make you right.

    I have earlier noticed that you were trying the same argument and tactics in creating a debate about spelling the name of Danish Kaneria as "Dinesh" and someone referred to you as a clown.........very rightly so. Because his name is registered as DANISH and NOT Dinesh. These are two different names with different meanings between Dinesh and Danish. Where as you are a case of LOST IN TRANSLATION....because of the way you spell Yousuf as Euceph.

  • Ghalib Taimur on November 21, 2006, 7:46 GMT

    All of you Aussies have got too much attitude.Agreeing to the fact that you guys are one of the best sporting nations in the world you guys have got no respect for others.I wouldn't say all Aussies but definitely a large contingent.

    Those who believe Darell Hair was a great umpire are way over their heads.How can you be supportive of an umpire who is biased against a particular nation?

    Im a Pakistani and if Aleem Dar is biased against any other nation i would be very critical of him.

  • Sawliha on November 21, 2006, 6:52 GMT

    Let us just assume that it wasn't a racist comment. Still, it is quite ridiculous to call a player, who is "born and raised" in England, INDIAN. Just because his parents are from India does not make him an Indian. It's like calling the Aussies or Canadians "English" because after all their ancestors are also from England. And logically if he was born, raised and attended school in England, wouldn’t that make English his first language? The Australian crowd needs to get some sense knocked into them. They are definitely deprived of common logic

  • usman tahir on November 21, 2006, 5:34 GMT

    I am a pakistani living in australia and trust me when i say that it is one of the least racist country i`ve been to. There are a few "idiots" everywhere just like there are in pakistan, but as a whole aussies are not racist. The comment however was racist in my opinion, if he was called a "stupid pom" that was another thing, panesar is a british national so calling him a "stupid indian" is not the same as calling sutherland "stupid aussie", why would you call someone an indian who isnt an indian is simply because you want to amplify the race factor.

  • pat on November 20, 2006, 23:14 GMT

    Sim:

    Read my first comment - I said the "stupid Indian...." comment IS racist - Sutherland did not make that comment, an idiot in the crowd did. The "stupid (at best)", was Sutherland saying it wasn't racist, when it is clear to see that it was. (The worst is that he was supporting racism, which I think (and hope) was not his intention)

    He might not mind being called a stupid Australian, but I hate the implication that I am a racist, simply because of my country of birth.

    By your logic "if A=B and B=C then A=C", if "Stupid Indian who doesn't speak English" is racist, then so is "Stupid Australian who doesn't understand racism"

  • Mawali on November 20, 2006, 22:35 GMT

    Mr. Abbasi, perhaps we are being a tad touchy, or perhaps too politically correct. Heck, racist is what one makes of it. The intent here was to get under Monty's skin and get him to lose focus on the game. Sometimes one just has to laugh stuff away literally. In the sporting arena no such thing as "acceptable sledging", its what one gets away with and accomplishes the goal of getting the opposing player all caught up and losing focus. Out on the street perhaps such comments can and perhaps should be a cause for bother. Chill!

  • Don on November 20, 2006, 12:17 GMT

    Racist or not (and I tend to the "not") - such idiocy should not be permitted. We can all agree it's hurtful, we can all agree it has nothing to do with his cricketing abilities, and we can all agree it doesn't fall anywhere close to what is accepted sledging. As worse, no comment should have been made - and at best CA and the ICC should have denounced the saying in public. I have been attending cricket matches at the SCG for 4 decades and there have always been idiots in the SCG crowds. These number in the dozens at worse. There have also been several tens of thousands who just come to support their team and enjoy a good game. We may jeer but we also cheer. If Monty gives us a good game - I can assure you he'll get an ovation when he comes off the field.

  • Humayun Mirza on November 19, 2006, 18:30 GMT

    The comment by Cricket Australia's chief is rather unpalatable. At best it is insensitive and at worst it is racial. But I believe it may be reflective of the Australian society at large. They perhaps do not perceive certain acts of theirs as being insensitive or even racially directed. Thus the attitude of people like Darrel Hair who is also a product of Australian society( and the Australian rush to defend him). He may be among the better umpires technically and he may "call it like he sees it"; the problem may reside in the "tint of glasses" through which "he sees it", giving an unsavoury color to the judgement.

  • Arslan Shaukat on November 19, 2006, 15:04 GMT

    This is in response to Mr. Intrepid's comment regarding "Pakistani teams cheating". I believe that a certain Mr. Mike Atherton was caught on TV applying soil to the cricket ball from his pocket. I also remember seeing Hansie Cronje steping "unintentionally" onto a ball, pressing his spikes on the ball in the process. Of course, whenever the ball starts to reverse swing, it is presumed somehow that Pakistanis must be cheating. But when Flintof, Simon Jones and co. destroy Aussies using reverse swing, they are credited with mastering this amazing "art". Mr. Darrel Hair or any other umpire surely would not have the audacity of even thinking about the prospect of "Noble Englishmen" cheating. English and Aussie bowlers have never lifted seam in county cricket, nor have they applied vaseline and cream to shine a cricket bowl (which also constitutes to tampering with the state of a cricket bowl), hence enjoying spotless reputations.

    Of course, only the lowly Pakistanis would cheat, right Mr. Intrepid! If this does not constitute to double standards, then what does?

  • Sim on November 19, 2006, 3:57 GMT

    pat - By logic if A=B and B=C then A=C

    similarly if you say that

    "stupid indian who cannot understand English" = not racist and "something stupid (at best)", then how can my comment be racist???

    Trust me, i have no intentions of making racial slurs.... i am angry at the stupidty shown by Sutherland. If he does not think / understand that the comments made about Monty Panesar were racist, then he (or for that matter anyone who shares similar beliefs) should have no problems in anyone calling sutherland a "stupid australian"

  • pat on November 19, 2006, 0:32 GMT

    Simar Jaggi - that was a racist comment (even by your own logic). I don't know whether or not the Darell Hair thing mentioned by Arslan Shaukat is true or not, and even if it is, I doubt it was meant as a racial slur. It was probably meant in that Pakistanis run around, jumping up and down, arms flailing everywhere, making random noises rather than saying "howzat?". The same could be said of most teams, to be honest.

    It is beyond doubt that Lehmann said a racist comment - and was well punished for it. And that Sutherland said something stupid (at best). Even if Darrell Hair is racist, as much of Pakistan will claim, please remember that these are individual people, not representative of the whole nation.

    Is Spain a racist nation? Whenever England's Football team tour there, the black players get taunted with repeated calls of "monkey". This does not mean that Spain is racist - it means those particular idiots are. The aussies get spat at in SA, and get called "stupid goras" by people in the Asian bloc. It is people, not the country, who are racist.

  • intrepid on November 18, 2006, 23:25 GMT

    lot of anger here guys...I used to think cricket was a game that brought countries together, but doesn't seem that way anymore..as for racist abuse in Oz, yes it happens, but every country has a small minority of idiots..Pakistan and India included..on the abuse of South Africans..I was at the test in question, and while the crowd was getting stuck into Nel (who invites it, it has to be said) it wasn't racist..how do white Australians racially abuse a white South African? As for Monty, calling him a stupid Indian is boorish, but no more racial than calling someone a stupid Australian for giving a dignitary a bit of a hand to leave the podium! As for Darrell, well being an umpire myself I'm biased, and support the open letter which was sent by the NSW Umpires Association to the ICC. And as for Pakistan teams cheating, people might like to check the article on Cricinfo about the NZ experience in Pakistan a few years back..and if not cheating, what was Afridi doing with his heel in the middle of the pitch..he should have got 5 years for that

  • Arslan Shaukat on November 18, 2006, 21:55 GMT

    I would like to believe that Australians as a nation are not racists. What bothers me though is that in the last couple of years, a pattern seems to be developing regarding racist comments being made by Aussies. Before this "Stupid Indian" incident, it was Mr. Lehman who was accused of passing racist comments about Sri Lankans. After the Oval fiasco, Wasim Akram in a TV interview accused Mr. Darrel Hair of saying that "Pakistanis appeal like monkeys". According to Wasim, this incident took place when Pakistan toured Australia for a test series in mid 90s; and apparently Mr. Hair's comments were reported in a newspaper. Lets not forget the racial slurs aimed at the South Africans when they toured Australia last year. As I have said, I want to give Aussies the benefit of the doubt but incidents involving racial abuse at the hands of Aussies just seem to be piling up all the time.

  • Simar Jaggi on November 18, 2006, 15:36 GMT

    All I have to say is Mr. Sutherland is a "stupid Australian who does not understand racism"

  • pat on November 18, 2006, 14:05 GMT

    I am an Australian, and I wanted to give Sutherland a gobful (which, for those who are unfamiliar with aussie slang, means to tell him off). Australians are not a racist nation, but no matter where you go, you will find racist people, and that was a racist comment. Last year at Perth, it was ex-pat South Africans (how many aussies can speak afrikaans? very, very few). The dumbest thing the SA's could have done was tell the media the words used, as it invited copycats all over the country, who then sensed a perceived mental weakness on the part of the South Africans. Sad, but true.

    I do not condone racism in any way, shape or form, and I don't like being branded a racist just because I live in Australia. Labeling Australians as racist is actually racist in itself.

  • Talha Ahmed on November 18, 2006, 14:04 GMT

    Although I question it, I am not surprised at this comment. It has been a way for the Australians to support their own and their actions, be it the players, the officials or the supporters. They sometimes rationalize their support with dubious reasons, other times they are plainly dismissive. Both these attitudes colour the responses of Ricky Ponting and Richie Benaud respectively in the Darrel Hair controversy. The media seems to help them out too. As I would like this way to change, I also think here is a lesson or two to learn for the Asian boards and media.

  • Ali on November 18, 2006, 10:34 GMT

    Being or not being racist doesnt change the fact that it is wrong. In my opinion, Australia's CA should not have chosen any comment which would appear to condone insults.

  • Faisal on November 18, 2006, 9:12 GMT

    Monty being racially abused by Aussie crowd was not entirely un-expected, but CA chief saying that he doesn't see that in the "Stupid Indian" remark is absolutely shocking, speaks volumes about CA's committment for fighting racism.

    I have read in the media about how good Darrel Hair was as an umpire, he was rated second best days before he was sacked etc. but nothing official from ICC on it. ICC annual awards were introduced a few years back, and I am sure he never won the award, not sure but don't remember if he ever was nominated for it. Aussies naturally feel bad about his sacking. Ponting's disappointment and media stories of his greatness as an umpire are no more than sympathies for a fellow country-man. But this has got nothing to do with his nationality, he made some horrible decisions on the field, one too many.

  • Martin on November 18, 2006, 7:25 GMT

    According to your logic, the tag 'Ugly Australians', which was used widely, and 'Pommy bastards' are also racist. That is ridiculous, politically correct people spoiling it for everyone else.

    I do not condone racist remarks, as it is completely unfair to criticise someone over their racial background or skin colour, but this comment is not racist at all.

    Slightly off topic, but still relevant, is Graeme Smith's comments to the press. Imagine that, a South African criticising someone for being racist! Look in your own backyard, mate, your crowds have spat on Australian players, which is just as insulting, if not more so.

    I hate to say this but I think other countries just like to pick faults in Australia because of our sporting (and cricketing) success.

    Mr Sutherland, its about time Cricket Australia started standing up for itself, over this and the sacking of one of the greatest umpires of modern times, Darrell Hair.

  • Sunny on November 18, 2006, 7:20 GMT

    Aqib Javaid (former Test player) often says "you have to talk about the issues to resolve them".

    I think cricket is suffering from racisim. Take the greatest e.g. of Darriel Hair or English Media targeting Asian team when they are touring England.

  • Aditya on November 18, 2006, 1:27 GMT

    If saying "stupid Indian" may not be racist, then it is most certainly closed minded and boorish. Let's see why. Both England and Australia have sizeable Asian communities. In this context, the phrase "stupid Indian who can't speak English" is a derogatory comment about someone's community, through perceptions built up from stereotypes created by xenophobic anti-immigrant groups within these countries. Therefore, when an Indian says "stupid Gora" it can be dismissed as pathetically racist and ill-informed, because not a lot of Indians come across white people everyday. On the other hand, when an English/Australian guy says it, it represents a deeper prejudice, and a deeper insularity that is worse than racism

  • Taha Marvi on November 17, 2006, 23:58 GMT

    Mr Sutherland , "Fighting racism is about targets. Not achieving them" . Choosing them. Quotas of black people, as in the South African Cricket team, miss the mark. Sport will only be free of racism when nobody notices ethnic composition. The ideal would be your record collection. Do you know the precise ratio of black to white music? Of course not. Positive discrimination is not required because we play and buy what we want, without thinking or seeing colour. That is true equality. Witch-hunts of old men, too entrenched in a bygone era to change their ways, are another dead end. The goal should be intellectual evolution: to be more tolerant than the previous generation. It is a forlorn hope that a 65-year-old raised before mass immigration will think about race with the same sensitivity as a young person brought up in multicultural Australia.

    Like they say it in Sydney..

    "I never believed in Santa Claus because I knew no white man would be coming into my neighborhood after dark. "

  • Euceph Ahmed on November 17, 2006, 23:24 GMT

    No Mr. Sutherland, "stupid Indian" is not racist. It is just the equivalent of "stupid Gora" and all you have to do is look through Mr. Abbasi's previous blogs and see how many people have posted derogatory comments about the Goras but Mr. Abbasi didn't utter a word about that. "Stupid Australian", "Stupid Chinese", "Stupid American" none of those sound like anything racist so why should "stupid Indian" be considered racist. If at all, Monty should be proud of his Indian roots.

    No Mr. Sutherland, you don't owe anyone an apology or an explanation. Mr. Abbasi just seems to have gone overboard with his nationalistic pride.

  • Abbas on November 17, 2006, 22:25 GMT

    Doesn't his reaction summarize the Australian mentality though? I mean regardless of it being derogatory or not, at the end of the day, the comment made by the fan was racially fuelled- it's not like he made fun of Monty's poor fielding or something(?).

    I'm glad the Asian bloc is gaining more momentum as time progresses.

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  • Abbas on November 17, 2006, 22:25 GMT

    Doesn't his reaction summarize the Australian mentality though? I mean regardless of it being derogatory or not, at the end of the day, the comment made by the fan was racially fuelled- it's not like he made fun of Monty's poor fielding or something(?).

    I'm glad the Asian bloc is gaining more momentum as time progresses.

  • Euceph Ahmed on November 17, 2006, 23:24 GMT

    No Mr. Sutherland, "stupid Indian" is not racist. It is just the equivalent of "stupid Gora" and all you have to do is look through Mr. Abbasi's previous blogs and see how many people have posted derogatory comments about the Goras but Mr. Abbasi didn't utter a word about that. "Stupid Australian", "Stupid Chinese", "Stupid American" none of those sound like anything racist so why should "stupid Indian" be considered racist. If at all, Monty should be proud of his Indian roots.

    No Mr. Sutherland, you don't owe anyone an apology or an explanation. Mr. Abbasi just seems to have gone overboard with his nationalistic pride.

  • Taha Marvi on November 17, 2006, 23:58 GMT

    Mr Sutherland , "Fighting racism is about targets. Not achieving them" . Choosing them. Quotas of black people, as in the South African Cricket team, miss the mark. Sport will only be free of racism when nobody notices ethnic composition. The ideal would be your record collection. Do you know the precise ratio of black to white music? Of course not. Positive discrimination is not required because we play and buy what we want, without thinking or seeing colour. That is true equality. Witch-hunts of old men, too entrenched in a bygone era to change their ways, are another dead end. The goal should be intellectual evolution: to be more tolerant than the previous generation. It is a forlorn hope that a 65-year-old raised before mass immigration will think about race with the same sensitivity as a young person brought up in multicultural Australia.

    Like they say it in Sydney..

    "I never believed in Santa Claus because I knew no white man would be coming into my neighborhood after dark. "

  • Aditya on November 18, 2006, 1:27 GMT

    If saying "stupid Indian" may not be racist, then it is most certainly closed minded and boorish. Let's see why. Both England and Australia have sizeable Asian communities. In this context, the phrase "stupid Indian who can't speak English" is a derogatory comment about someone's community, through perceptions built up from stereotypes created by xenophobic anti-immigrant groups within these countries. Therefore, when an Indian says "stupid Gora" it can be dismissed as pathetically racist and ill-informed, because not a lot of Indians come across white people everyday. On the other hand, when an English/Australian guy says it, it represents a deeper prejudice, and a deeper insularity that is worse than racism

  • Sunny on November 18, 2006, 7:20 GMT

    Aqib Javaid (former Test player) often says "you have to talk about the issues to resolve them".

    I think cricket is suffering from racisim. Take the greatest e.g. of Darriel Hair or English Media targeting Asian team when they are touring England.

  • Martin on November 18, 2006, 7:25 GMT

    According to your logic, the tag 'Ugly Australians', which was used widely, and 'Pommy bastards' are also racist. That is ridiculous, politically correct people spoiling it for everyone else.

    I do not condone racist remarks, as it is completely unfair to criticise someone over their racial background or skin colour, but this comment is not racist at all.

    Slightly off topic, but still relevant, is Graeme Smith's comments to the press. Imagine that, a South African criticising someone for being racist! Look in your own backyard, mate, your crowds have spat on Australian players, which is just as insulting, if not more so.

    I hate to say this but I think other countries just like to pick faults in Australia because of our sporting (and cricketing) success.

    Mr Sutherland, its about time Cricket Australia started standing up for itself, over this and the sacking of one of the greatest umpires of modern times, Darrell Hair.

  • Faisal on November 18, 2006, 9:12 GMT

    Monty being racially abused by Aussie crowd was not entirely un-expected, but CA chief saying that he doesn't see that in the "Stupid Indian" remark is absolutely shocking, speaks volumes about CA's committment for fighting racism.

    I have read in the media about how good Darrel Hair was as an umpire, he was rated second best days before he was sacked etc. but nothing official from ICC on it. ICC annual awards were introduced a few years back, and I am sure he never won the award, not sure but don't remember if he ever was nominated for it. Aussies naturally feel bad about his sacking. Ponting's disappointment and media stories of his greatness as an umpire are no more than sympathies for a fellow country-man. But this has got nothing to do with his nationality, he made some horrible decisions on the field, one too many.

  • Ali on November 18, 2006, 10:34 GMT

    Being or not being racist doesnt change the fact that it is wrong. In my opinion, Australia's CA should not have chosen any comment which would appear to condone insults.

  • Talha Ahmed on November 18, 2006, 14:04 GMT

    Although I question it, I am not surprised at this comment. It has been a way for the Australians to support their own and their actions, be it the players, the officials or the supporters. They sometimes rationalize their support with dubious reasons, other times they are plainly dismissive. Both these attitudes colour the responses of Ricky Ponting and Richie Benaud respectively in the Darrel Hair controversy. The media seems to help them out too. As I would like this way to change, I also think here is a lesson or two to learn for the Asian boards and media.

  • pat on November 18, 2006, 14:05 GMT

    I am an Australian, and I wanted to give Sutherland a gobful (which, for those who are unfamiliar with aussie slang, means to tell him off). Australians are not a racist nation, but no matter where you go, you will find racist people, and that was a racist comment. Last year at Perth, it was ex-pat South Africans (how many aussies can speak afrikaans? very, very few). The dumbest thing the SA's could have done was tell the media the words used, as it invited copycats all over the country, who then sensed a perceived mental weakness on the part of the South Africans. Sad, but true.

    I do not condone racism in any way, shape or form, and I don't like being branded a racist just because I live in Australia. Labeling Australians as racist is actually racist in itself.