World Cup 2007 March 23, 2007

Why Pakistan needs a Woolmer sports institute

Bob Woolmer murdered
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The institute would be an investment in the talent in Pakistan, a talent that Bob so admired but felt frustrated that he could not develop quickly enough © Getty Images

Bob Woolmer murdered? The world is shocked and ashamed that a such a genial and warm-hearted soul could die by somebody's hand. I keep saying it can't get any worse for Pakistan cricket and it keeps getting worse by gigantic leaps. It is likely too that the identity of the murderer will make the matter even more unpalatable. Throughout all this I am amazed by how dignified Bob's family have been at a time of utmost distress. They are people of genuine character and fortitude.

The President of Pakistan has already awarded Bob a distinguished civil honour. My suggestion would be for the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to set up a sports science and cricket institute at a major university in Pakistan--and by this I don't mean another National Cricket Academy. The institute could be named after Bob or have a professorial chair named after him.

I think this would serve three purposes. First, it would create something that would chime with Bob's passion for the science of cricket and further the frontiers of knowledge. Secondly, it would be an investment in the talent in Pakistan, a talent that Bob so admired but felt frustrated that he could not develop quickly enough. Thirdly, it would mean the PCB had an onus to support the long-term development of Pakistan cricket, something again that Bob felt wasn't given enough attention while he was alive.

There is much to discuss about the future of Pakistan cricket but there will be time enough for that later. We require a pause for reflection on the life of Bob Woolmer and the tragedy that surrounds him and his family.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • attersollmget on August 11, 2011, 0:47 GMT

    Hi!!! Nice forum. This my first post.

  • syed on April 10, 2007, 13:28 GMT

    Bob's death was a tragedy, he died of natural causes, but Mark Shields has made a mountain from the mole, and media has left no stone unturned to support Mr. Mark sheilds. It has shocked me, how the media and agencies associated to deal with this case have expolited the death of a gentleman of cricket to take advantage of the situation. If Bob was strangulated how did he go to bathroom to vomit on the walls?how Mark Shields can explain this?

  • Buddu on April 7, 2007, 21:58 GMT

    I am a little dissapointed that pakintan would bring in regigion into sports. I always say there is a place for religion and a place fro sports. When we all get on thefield we are sportsmen first before ant religion as one would like to play a fair game. The coach of the Pakistan team was a great man who really felt his loss with the team losing. May he always be blessed, who ever did this to him will suffer no matter which God he faces. Pakistan get of your butts and play a game that you enjoy, keep politics and religion out as there is no place for it. God bless the coack's family and him.

  • Syed Imam Haider Abbas on March 29, 2007, 22:38 GMT

    I think we should take a deep breath. We all know that India and Pakistan didn't play well. But this doesn't mean that we are allowed to say anything we want. It's all in the game. Only one team can win the match. We should have the courage to accept our defeat as well. Proper action should be taken by the PCB. Also against the murderer of Bob. Pakistan has the chance to prove that they are against this situation and should follow proper actions to rectify this matter. PCB should also pay attention to all players of Pakistan , like Wasim Akram and Waqar Yunus. They should be a part of the team in the future and we need to take advantage of their experiences. First of all PCB must make sure that all players must be able to speak fluently English. For instance in Islam there is 'darhi'( beard ) but Islam is not in 'darhi'. Becouse this kind of impression doesn't reflect Pakistani international character. I still have great respect to all players of all countries that are participating this tournement. Offcourse it feels very bad that Pakistan and India are out...but next time better.... Our thoughts are with the Family of Bob.

  • Samad Saharan on March 29, 2007, 20:07 GMT

    looks like pakistan cricket reputation has gone as low as it cud poosible can now

  • M Yamin on March 29, 2007, 19:04 GMT

    It seems to me that Mark Shields, the detective investigating the Bob Woolmer murder is more of a showman. So far no breakthroughs but announcements e.g. Pakistani team questioned, not questioned; second autopsy ordered, not ordered; CCTV footage clear, not clear; time of murder determined, not determined.

    Mr. Shields, for all practical purposes, do your job. The rumor mill is not going to stop and the media WILL speculate. You do your job and speak only when there's been a break through. People are hanging on to every statement you make. I don't care what evidence you found or hope to find. Just find the person and we will have enough time later to analyze how you got to the bottom of this sordid affair. Everyday I read your comments to the press and it looks like you just want to grab onto your 15 minutes of fame.

  • dheeraj on March 28, 2007, 16:28 GMT

    I don't think Bob was murdered . I think it was a proabably an accident . I think like this because the motives and theories for woolmer's murder appear far fetched . The pakistan Ireland match would not have been fixed because the bookies needed Pakistan to progress to get more buisness in betting especially in the electric India - Pakistan encounter . And if it was due to some bookies who lost some money on the match their anger would have been directed at the pakistan team for their spineless batting performance . The only evidence pointing to a murder is a broken neck which can also be due to a fall . this uncertainity could harm the game more than anything else . therfore i prayy for aspeedy solution .

  • Tauqeer on March 28, 2007, 8:46 GMT

    All the comments by Zain Kazmi, zain saab kisne aapko editor kisne banaya, self confessed editor and judge. you collected all the nonsense and praising all the senseless comments,grow up, Mr Kamran has given a sincere suggestion. This is to Kazmi and all the other fanatics like him, First achieve something in life as inzi does and even half of could do.

  • sandy on March 27, 2007, 12:34 GMT

    idiots do not waste your time on match fixers & money soinners. forget cricket & pay more attentions to some good games. willl u learn any thing from this?

  • Kedar Pandit on March 26, 2007, 11:49 GMT

    I think it is an interesting article and some of your ideas are potentially radical. Having followed Indian/Pak fortunes for the past 30+ years (Sunny/Kapil/Z/Imran/JM days to Sachin/SG/RD/Inzy era), more than 18 of it from the relative objective environs of England, I must confess at never been as depressed at our combined showing in a show piece event. I shall however restrict my comments to India as it is a graver problem as Pakistan true to its mercurial form shall rise again, make no mistake about it. Its batting however is a big concern. GC was a great batsman, but his man management from the tough as nails Aussie school was always likely to be at loggerheads with the Indian "Theek hai/Chalta Hai" psyche! The other problem of course I feel is RD's classic "middle class safety first" mentality which combined with his own insecure traits made it practically impossible for him to be perceived independent of GC’s policies. This was always likely to back fire. SG is one hell of a politician, no doubt about it, but has fire in his belly. This makes him highly annoying to the typical Aussie/English counterpart. I should know having played first division in England for years with county pros as well as various off the record chats with some old timers. For all his technical deficiencies, he was one guy who could more often than not rise above it and take his team with it. His records prove that.

    Strangely I think that the biggest problem is our lacklustre bowling and fielding. Only in India a potential fast bowler starts his career by bowling super quick yorkers at 90+mph, only to turn into an average county trundler in next to no time! How GC could not get one of the new boys to be an out and out quick is beyond me. Personally I still think that the batting retains potential and feel that SRT should either open or be the finisher devoid of all fears at that stage. Give him a few chances and if he fails, it is time to go, no second chances there. I would suggest the following: 1. SG to take over, with a view to grooming Kaif as his deputy. 2. SRT should be allowed to add value for a few years if his body lets him. 3. Munaf and Irfan should be bowling at minimum average speeds of 85+mph, if not show them the door. 4. Drop Bhajji and only bring him back when he learns to bowl round the wicket! 5. Bowling coach is a must - Wasim Akram or Troy Cooley? 6. Sachin must play county circuit on early season wickets, will help him tremendously in terms of coping with bad wickets and play himself in. It will also tell him whether he still has the reflexes to go at this level. 7. Persist with Robin, he is a good lad. 8. Show Sehwag the door for the foreseeable future. 9. Arrange maximum India v India A type fixtures on bouncy tracks. Ideally send India A and Under 21 teams to England, SA and Australia to compete against local grade champions/counties. 10. As BCCI reform is unlikely in my own life time, I shall steer clear of such pipe dreams! Indians are the pits when it comes to altruistic acts and BCCI is a great reflection of that. 11. Brace yourself for a GC backlash in print and video media soon! 12. If Irfan can't bowl, then don't pick him, don't need another Ravi Shastri! 13. SG and SRT to double the gym load if they want to play for another 3-4 years as it is feasible. RD appears fit enough. 14. Retain Dilip as the selector and give him more powers. His no nonsense approach will pay off. 15. Adverts control a must, players’ human rights notwithstanding!

  • attersollmget on August 11, 2011, 0:47 GMT

    Hi!!! Nice forum. This my first post.

  • syed on April 10, 2007, 13:28 GMT

    Bob's death was a tragedy, he died of natural causes, but Mark Shields has made a mountain from the mole, and media has left no stone unturned to support Mr. Mark sheilds. It has shocked me, how the media and agencies associated to deal with this case have expolited the death of a gentleman of cricket to take advantage of the situation. If Bob was strangulated how did he go to bathroom to vomit on the walls?how Mark Shields can explain this?

  • Buddu on April 7, 2007, 21:58 GMT

    I am a little dissapointed that pakintan would bring in regigion into sports. I always say there is a place for religion and a place fro sports. When we all get on thefield we are sportsmen first before ant religion as one would like to play a fair game. The coach of the Pakistan team was a great man who really felt his loss with the team losing. May he always be blessed, who ever did this to him will suffer no matter which God he faces. Pakistan get of your butts and play a game that you enjoy, keep politics and religion out as there is no place for it. God bless the coack's family and him.

  • Syed Imam Haider Abbas on March 29, 2007, 22:38 GMT

    I think we should take a deep breath. We all know that India and Pakistan didn't play well. But this doesn't mean that we are allowed to say anything we want. It's all in the game. Only one team can win the match. We should have the courage to accept our defeat as well. Proper action should be taken by the PCB. Also against the murderer of Bob. Pakistan has the chance to prove that they are against this situation and should follow proper actions to rectify this matter. PCB should also pay attention to all players of Pakistan , like Wasim Akram and Waqar Yunus. They should be a part of the team in the future and we need to take advantage of their experiences. First of all PCB must make sure that all players must be able to speak fluently English. For instance in Islam there is 'darhi'( beard ) but Islam is not in 'darhi'. Becouse this kind of impression doesn't reflect Pakistani international character. I still have great respect to all players of all countries that are participating this tournement. Offcourse it feels very bad that Pakistan and India are out...but next time better.... Our thoughts are with the Family of Bob.

  • Samad Saharan on March 29, 2007, 20:07 GMT

    looks like pakistan cricket reputation has gone as low as it cud poosible can now

  • M Yamin on March 29, 2007, 19:04 GMT

    It seems to me that Mark Shields, the detective investigating the Bob Woolmer murder is more of a showman. So far no breakthroughs but announcements e.g. Pakistani team questioned, not questioned; second autopsy ordered, not ordered; CCTV footage clear, not clear; time of murder determined, not determined.

    Mr. Shields, for all practical purposes, do your job. The rumor mill is not going to stop and the media WILL speculate. You do your job and speak only when there's been a break through. People are hanging on to every statement you make. I don't care what evidence you found or hope to find. Just find the person and we will have enough time later to analyze how you got to the bottom of this sordid affair. Everyday I read your comments to the press and it looks like you just want to grab onto your 15 minutes of fame.

  • dheeraj on March 28, 2007, 16:28 GMT

    I don't think Bob was murdered . I think it was a proabably an accident . I think like this because the motives and theories for woolmer's murder appear far fetched . The pakistan Ireland match would not have been fixed because the bookies needed Pakistan to progress to get more buisness in betting especially in the electric India - Pakistan encounter . And if it was due to some bookies who lost some money on the match their anger would have been directed at the pakistan team for their spineless batting performance . The only evidence pointing to a murder is a broken neck which can also be due to a fall . this uncertainity could harm the game more than anything else . therfore i prayy for aspeedy solution .

  • Tauqeer on March 28, 2007, 8:46 GMT

    All the comments by Zain Kazmi, zain saab kisne aapko editor kisne banaya, self confessed editor and judge. you collected all the nonsense and praising all the senseless comments,grow up, Mr Kamran has given a sincere suggestion. This is to Kazmi and all the other fanatics like him, First achieve something in life as inzi does and even half of could do.

  • sandy on March 27, 2007, 12:34 GMT

    idiots do not waste your time on match fixers & money soinners. forget cricket & pay more attentions to some good games. willl u learn any thing from this?

  • Kedar Pandit on March 26, 2007, 11:49 GMT

    I think it is an interesting article and some of your ideas are potentially radical. Having followed Indian/Pak fortunes for the past 30+ years (Sunny/Kapil/Z/Imran/JM days to Sachin/SG/RD/Inzy era), more than 18 of it from the relative objective environs of England, I must confess at never been as depressed at our combined showing in a show piece event. I shall however restrict my comments to India as it is a graver problem as Pakistan true to its mercurial form shall rise again, make no mistake about it. Its batting however is a big concern. GC was a great batsman, but his man management from the tough as nails Aussie school was always likely to be at loggerheads with the Indian "Theek hai/Chalta Hai" psyche! The other problem of course I feel is RD's classic "middle class safety first" mentality which combined with his own insecure traits made it practically impossible for him to be perceived independent of GC’s policies. This was always likely to back fire. SG is one hell of a politician, no doubt about it, but has fire in his belly. This makes him highly annoying to the typical Aussie/English counterpart. I should know having played first division in England for years with county pros as well as various off the record chats with some old timers. For all his technical deficiencies, he was one guy who could more often than not rise above it and take his team with it. His records prove that.

    Strangely I think that the biggest problem is our lacklustre bowling and fielding. Only in India a potential fast bowler starts his career by bowling super quick yorkers at 90+mph, only to turn into an average county trundler in next to no time! How GC could not get one of the new boys to be an out and out quick is beyond me. Personally I still think that the batting retains potential and feel that SRT should either open or be the finisher devoid of all fears at that stage. Give him a few chances and if he fails, it is time to go, no second chances there. I would suggest the following: 1. SG to take over, with a view to grooming Kaif as his deputy. 2. SRT should be allowed to add value for a few years if his body lets him. 3. Munaf and Irfan should be bowling at minimum average speeds of 85+mph, if not show them the door. 4. Drop Bhajji and only bring him back when he learns to bowl round the wicket! 5. Bowling coach is a must - Wasim Akram or Troy Cooley? 6. Sachin must play county circuit on early season wickets, will help him tremendously in terms of coping with bad wickets and play himself in. It will also tell him whether he still has the reflexes to go at this level. 7. Persist with Robin, he is a good lad. 8. Show Sehwag the door for the foreseeable future. 9. Arrange maximum India v India A type fixtures on bouncy tracks. Ideally send India A and Under 21 teams to England, SA and Australia to compete against local grade champions/counties. 10. As BCCI reform is unlikely in my own life time, I shall steer clear of such pipe dreams! Indians are the pits when it comes to altruistic acts and BCCI is a great reflection of that. 11. Brace yourself for a GC backlash in print and video media soon! 12. If Irfan can't bowl, then don't pick him, don't need another Ravi Shastri! 13. SG and SRT to double the gym load if they want to play for another 3-4 years as it is feasible. RD appears fit enough. 14. Retain Dilip as the selector and give him more powers. His no nonsense approach will pay off. 15. Adverts control a must, players’ human rights notwithstanding!

  • Chacha Koora Kirkit on March 26, 2007, 11:38 GMT

    Are we 100% certain that Bob Woomer was not involved in match fixing or with the underworld? After all, he was the coach when Hansie Cronje was the captain of SA. Hansie then died in a mysterious plane accident.

    Could it not be the same crowd who killed Hansie responsible for Bob's slaying? I think we need a deeper independent examination that should go back to the last 10 years.

  • unknown on March 26, 2007, 9:51 GMT

    i agree with mr.abdul baseer!!kamran sahab plx filter such comments..

  • RK on March 26, 2007, 8:36 GMT

    I see few senseless comments made against India. Kamran, It is your responsibility to filter those comments and keep it focussed to the topic of the blog. Half baked news like indian guy involvement in the woolmer incident and match fixing etc are complete have no basis at all and such things shoule not be allowed to be written here.

    Thanks.

  • wasim saqib on March 26, 2007, 4:16 GMT

    George Sebastian:

    It seems your comments like most of the western writers on this blog were driven by political hatred towards Pakistan,In your narrow mind you never even gave a second thought that Bob might have been killed bcz of his own involvement with the bookmakers or due to any other reason,but no since your conscience is dead and your narrow mind wants you to point finger at Pakistani Players,so you couldnt help it. You used the words "Shameful land of Pakistan" Yes in past some of our players had association with bookmakers but can you name any country whose players were not involved in such incidents, Who invented This betting culture,who runs these huge betting websites,when you will look for answers for these questions your head will bow in shame for eternity, But then again I take back my words shame and you guys noway,jesus is forgiving all you have to do is go to church confess in privacy and you are clean again,just like a virgin.

  • Sajid on March 26, 2007, 4:02 GMT

    Kamran you are the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen. Just few days ago you were blaming Woolmer and now you want Woolmer sports institute? wtf?

  • farhan on March 26, 2007, 3:51 GMT

    I like the idea about the institue. I as an economist, like to see people stuyding the economics of cricket which I feel would bring professionalism not only for pak. cricket but for research stature for the university which has the institue... may be LUMS?

  • Imran Iqbal on March 26, 2007, 1:30 GMT

    First of all RIP for Bob and condolence to his family. I had no intention of writing further on Pakistan's cricket but the way the events are unfolding regarding Bob's murder, I was forced to read your blog to see what my Pak bros feel. I myself am ready for the unexpected and seriously believe it is not match fixing but something else..

    One thing I didn't like on this blog is the way our nation changes sides. Bob was receiving as much shit as Inzamam was but after he died, all of the sudden he is gr8 in Pak eyes. I understand pardoning the dead but one does not have to go out of the way to reverse what he has been saying.

    While I have nothing against Bob and understand Pakistan team has put some good performances under him before their odd tantrums since Oval Fiasco. Every body knows Pakistani team, cricket and its fans. I have some points and questions though and am sure many would not like them and some probably will try to preach goodness of religion but I seriously feel we should not react with emotions all the time. 1. I am not convinced that Bob's murder has something to do with match fixing. Considering Pak team's record and defensive approach often, I'd never buy this shit that match with Ireland was thrown. Ireland won this on merit. If muurder is linked with match fixing, then Indian team would have the same consequences. But nothing happened to them yet and wish nothing happens.

    2. Pakistan is not the first team invloved in match fixing that Bob coached, South Africa had Cronje scandal during his attachment to team as well. So this issue was not new to Bob and as a lot is said about his intelligence, he must have picked it a long time ago that Pakistan team has illegal connections with bookies. So question is why had he been quiet? What was the pressue on this cricketing genius? Going through media reviews about him, he would have found far better job anywhere else?? 3. Oval fiasco: On the day of forfeiture, his words were like he agreed with Inzamam to stay in dressing room but next day by his diplomatic demeanour he was successful to hi-lite it was Inzamam's stand only and he was not necessarily convinced of Inzi's decision. And he thought of quitting? Why not???? 3. Was not this clear indication of rift with Captain? Which today is confirmed by Shaharyar Khan that Inzi was unquestioned leader of his team and Bob struggled to have team's respect. Other reporters have written same about fight of power between two and Inzi's clear dlominance. How Bob was helping Pak cricket when he did not have all the freedom to implement his ideas? 4. Dope Scandal: It was written on Kamran's blog and other media reports, it was Bob's idea to conduct dope test. It suggests that he had hint what some of Pak players are doing and he did right to hi-lite these people? Though he must be disappointed of their odd acquittal. But this means more trouble in team where he already is not undisputed leader?? 5. If he really was laptop coach, why his team was ignorant about Irish players? Is this again indication of his inability to control Pak players?

    Point is why such an accomplished genius of cricket had to compromise with Pakistan Cricket in these conditions and why he did not dare talk about match fixing (if true) earlier and why he, as some suggested, was waiting for end of WC 2007? Was he keeping his commitment or came to terms with Pak cricket; was he just waiting for his contract completion or was over-optimist emotional about his team like common Pak fan?

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on March 26, 2007, 1:26 GMT

    First of all I would like to congratulate the Bangladesh team on winning this match today, and for entering into the next stage. And, I offer my deep commiseration to the Indian team for waiting so long just to know about their fate, which got a little more delayed and prolonged due to the rain, which must have added fuel to the fire. I can imagine the agony that they had to go through this period of waiting, only to see that Bangladesh is going to seal their destiny with an exit stamp!

    I also owe a debt of gratitude and offer my commiseration to the ever great and ever wise man of Gotham, "Missta E-soup Ahmed" who is now "noe-cho-ing the khamba" like a "Khisyani Billo". Look at his quote.....................: Posted by: Euceph Ahmed at March 23, 2007 4:23 PM

    Quote: "To be clear, I don't quite disagree with your (Kamran Abbassi's) idea of honoring Woolmer by creating and naming a cricket research institute after him. (who can dare disagree with such nobility of thought?)" Unquote.

    Wow, "NOBILITY"? ha ha ha!! This is the height of chucking or "Tee See-ing". You don't know whether you are criticizing or praising Kamran Abbassi. You say something and in the next sentence or in the next post you negate your own comments. This is called OTD (Old Timer's Disorder). And even while you are agreeing, you are using a double negative, that proves your mindset is all "ulta pulta". :-)

    Also, I am really disappointed at your poor choice of Urdu poetry. Out of all the poets like, Ghalib, Mir, Faiz, etc., you admire that pathetic "Peeplaan Da Shayer" Habib Jalib? And you wanna be his "awarra, dilwala" kinda poster boy which is often seen at the back of a truck? Don't worry I won't recycle your "disgustipatingly" pathetic quotes or your Shayeri, you better stick to your "Maam Deena" isshtyle Shayeri. Because, Urdu aur shayeri dono hee tumharay bus ki naheen ........ Esoof Mian, have you heard this b4 ... kay aati hai Urdu zubaan aatay aatay? Aur rehi baat Shayeri ki tou vo bhee sunn lo kay shayeri zindagi ki tafseer hai, iss tafseer ya tarjumani may sheriyat uss waqt paida hoti hai jab juzbaat aur taqaiyul dono maojood hoon. Tumharay juzbaat kay tou totay urr gaye, aur taqaiyul kay Khaleel Khan Fakhtay urra rehay hain....lehaza Urdu shayeri choro aur awargee may waqt zaye kero. :-)

    And Chacha Koora, you DON'T need forensic investigation team to investigate corruption and match fixing. Forensic science deals with crime scene investigations, unless you mean Scotland Yard, CIA, CBI or ISI type of team to investigate in catching the bookies?

  • Ashaq on March 26, 2007, 0:32 GMT

    Javed.A.Khan. My dear Bhai. Why should I bother to google the "Man From Gotham". Whilst we have such an Encyclopaedia of Knowledge such as Yourself.

    "Take a break take a KitKat" Keep working on the disses my brother.

    As for ignorance being bliss. Well my brother I havent read the 'Tales of Gotham'. I have however read about 'the Grammarian And the Sailor'.

    A Grammarian hired a boat to cross the river. He proudly told the sailor that he was a Scholar of Grammar.He then asked the sailor if he had any Knowledge of grammar.When the Sailor replied in the negative. The scholar kept chastising him for being ignorant off such a wonderful science.

    However the weather turned bad and the boat came into difficulties. The Scholar got worried and started begging the sailor to save them. The sailor turned around to the Grammarian and said "Sir since you where so proud of yourself why dont you Use Your Knowledge Of Grammar to save us".

    We all Know who the Pompous Grammarian on this Blog is.

  • Saleem on March 26, 2007, 0:00 GMT

    It does not benefit anyone to start using harsh remarks against the people of Pakistan. Cricket is a game and it is played by human beings. Please limit your remarks to the game itself and do not go into political / religious discussions. Thank you so much to all.

  • Umar,Karachi on March 25, 2007, 23:49 GMT

    There are some serious question that people has asked but it seems that those questions are censored .

    #Why religion has taken precedence over sports in Pakistani team?

    # Why PCB has not started work on its constitution yet?

    # Why there are no regular elections in PCB?

    # Why the issue of not discipline was not addressed by PCB earlier?

    # Why Sharhyar Khan bringing this up now? Was he an ineffective boss himself?

    # Is Pakistani criket a microcosm of Pakistani politics?

  • Abdul Baseer on March 25, 2007, 22:36 GMT

    Posted by: Sam Ellison at March 23, 2007 12:36 PM

    "Pakistanis are good at playing victims...."

    Kamran this is my request to you that please filter out such comments which directly hit one whole nation. after all this is a cricket blog and no such comments should be allowed...

  • salman jamshed on March 25, 2007, 22:23 GMT

    Dear Kamran we read your comments very regularly.Strange things are happening in Pakistan.And when a country is sinking deeper and deeper in trouble and turmoil how can you save its sports?We not only need an academy for cricket but for every thing else in Pakistan like desipline,law enforcement,education etc.I cant tell u how disturbed we (oversees Pakistanis)are on the situation in Pakistan.

  • Chacha Koora Kirkit on March 25, 2007, 19:25 GMT

    Kamran I think we need independent forensic investigation team to investigate corruption and match fixing.

    International cricket is fast losing its credibility as it is held hostage to the underworld.

    How else would you describe the unpredictability of the Pakistan team? Tell me the last time Pakistan won a one day series by a clean sweep?

  • Nasir doc on March 25, 2007, 16:43 GMT

    Kamran,I support your idea but with a caveat. Instead of formal coaching it should be experimental as to bring the best out of our cricketers. I have a feeling that both the south asian teams lost due to mental fragility not cricketing ineptitude. And despite the conventional wisdom it has little todo with the lack of formal education amogst our cricketers. If you remember, Kamran,in the early 70's our team boasted of the most awesome batting lineup in our history and with college educated urbane guys and yet we failed to chase 100 odd runs in Leeds and Melbourne. The point I am trying to make is that we should try to instill through an academy, aptly named after Bob, a sound cricketing psyche and lateral thought process based on our historical experience. Imported ideas have failed not only here but also in India.

  • Adnan on March 25, 2007, 15:10 GMT

    Bob woolmer death had openened up another chapter of cricket. The way investigations has been held is interesting because it gives you the glimpse of self-delayed process. I strongly urge pakistani higher authorities to take a more sharper look into this matter and in the future of Pakistani cricket. No one can deny the importance of media role in cricket and i believe the way things are handled will hurt pakistani cricket and fans in future. Thanks

  • George Sebastian on March 25, 2007, 14:29 GMT

    Hi Everyone i personaly feel pakistan has "no Rights" to Use Bob Woolmer for anything in the shameful land of pakistan. Of course he came to do a job as a coach to do a job, if team is not satisfied, why dont they let him go?? instead they killed him in his hotel room?? i personally think every pakistani player are responsible for this murder. and top of everything Bob did not play the game team played the game. how much shameful when inzi and his team cant do the job right in the feild to win, then kill the coach to survive. Where is this Micky mouse Mushtaq Ahmed comming in for?? care takeer coach?? pakistani players need more help with english rather than care taking for somthing else... they cant talk about god soo much but doing wrong things matters alot... bribes, drugs, fights and now murder where we gonna end this?? only allah knows it!!!!

  • Sri Lankan on March 25, 2007, 13:52 GMT

    Kamran what I’m gonna say is something outside the subject here. But I felt compelled to write abt it

    To all of them who say religion is different from cricket and religion cannot be brought into cricket – I would like to ask them where in islam does it say that when you are on duty your first priority should be to propagate islam????? Or where does it say, if you are a captain or leader you should always give preference to only bearded good muslims irrespective of how good hes to perform that job even when you know there is someone more deserving for that particular job??????????? With all due respect to inzi can someone PLS REPLY TO THIS

    Working hard to be an expert in your field (as long as the work you do doesn’t go against islam) is also part of being a good muslim. Its not just worship which most people fail to realize

    So just because some so called “Muslims” don’t follow the guidelines of Islam you cannot blame religion for that.

    Islam is a way of life which we need to implement in every aspect of it. Some people think islam should be followed only during sicknesses, at funerals and may be on Friday nights, but NOT during work and play because that’s the part of our lives we think we can handle on our own. May Allah forgive us for even thinking this way. Aameen!!!

  • Eric M. on March 25, 2007, 13:07 GMT

    Kamran,

    Yes, it is a great idea that PCB should honor Bob Woolmer by building a cricket academy after him. However, I strongly believe that it will only stay as the idea. Historically, PCB has failed to honor the greats who have not only brought fame to Pakistan by playing cricket for the country but has also left a legend in the cricket world. For instance, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and Saeed Anwar were let go unceremoniously…by the way, naming a stand in some stadium is not the way I would honor my great players. Jawaid Miandad still gets no respect from the PCB and Moin Khan, Rashid Latif, Abdul Qadir etc are other example of how PCB discards its greats. The list goes on and on

    At any rate, I hope PCB changes their attitude towards its former players and administrators. For Bob, I will suggest a stadium and a cricket academy. I would like to see a batch of players coming out of that institute who would take on the world like no one else has ever done before. That…my friend…will be the true way to honor Bob Woolmer because that is what he wanted for Pakistan Cricket to begin with.

    So long Bob. May your soul rest in peace.

  • Mohammad Umair Suri on March 25, 2007, 9:53 GMT

    What to say about the suggestion made my Kamran, I think this to make unnecessary hype of some thing which has been justifically closed by the government by giving him the best civil award of the country and its justified more than this will be PITTHOU GIRI of Asian syche towards GORAS, after reading this blog from kamran the REal stars of PAkistan Cricket " MUST BE DIEING To Die " to receive such praise and appreciation which they couldn't get in their entire lives .

    I pray to Allah that SOON the pride of our country and country men will return back which we have lost after the perfromance of Pakistan cricketers INSHAALLAH AMEEN.

  • srivathsan on March 25, 2007, 9:37 GMT

    It is really shocking that bob was murdered. Now the entire subcontinent has become vulnerable & suspicious for the eyes of west.Already SA's coach has echoed it .Pak team is under tremendous pressure & i hope the culprits are brought to book soon.As regards ur suggestion for an academy, it is a good idea. But dont restrict it to PAKcricketers alone.Let it be for all the sub continent team like MRF Foundation in india.Mr.KAMRAN I HAVE A GRIEVANCE AGAINST YOU.WHY DO YOU RESTRICT YOUR WRITING TO PAK. CRICKET ALONE? YOU SHOULD WRITE ABOUT ALL THE MATCHES ESPECIALLY SUB CONTINENT MATVHES.CONSTUCTIVE CRITICISM IS THE RIGHT OF A JOURNALIST & NOBODY CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT IT .IN FACT SUCH VIEWS WILL ONLY IMPROVE THE GAME.LOOK AT IMRANKHAN.HE IS VIRTUALLY LOVED IN INDIA FOR HIS FORTHRIGHT COMMENTS & I WANT YOU TO BE ONE LIKE THAT. I HOPE YOU WILL RESPECT MY(MAY BE MANY MANY OTHERS)VIEWS & START WRITING ON INDIAN /OTHER TEAM MATCHES ALSO.WILL YOU PLEASE REPLY ME ?

  • TK on March 25, 2007, 9:06 GMT

    Woolmer sports institute, great idea! But first the mess at PCB needs to be taken care of.

    Looking back at the WC, both Pakistan and India have spent significant amount of money to utilize the services of foreign coaches. But what is the end result? After all hype and hoopla attenuated, both teams could not survive the first round. Now the million dollar question regarding the selection of future coach is: desi or not to be desi? The present situation reminds one of an old joke.

    Long, long time ago, during the Gora raj time, there lived a simple farmer with his family in a small village. The farmer had a son who used to help him in his farms. Some how the son got implicated in a criminal case.

    The farmer’s son got imprisoned and farmer got very worried. Someone advised him to go to the city and get the services of a “good lawyer.” The farmer went to the city and looked for a good lawyer.

    He approached a desi lawyer and asked “how much would you charge to represent my son in the court and get him free?’ The lawyer replied “I will charge fifty rupees to represent him.”

    “Only fifty Rupees!” the farmer said.

    The farmer’s friends told him “fifty Rupees” lawyer won’t produce the desired results, so he better get himself a good lawyer who charges a “good fee.”

    So farmer went to a Gora lawyer, and asked him how much fee he would charge to represent his son. The Gora lawyer said “I will charge you five hundred Rupees.” The farmer’s friends told him “Yes, his fee is high; he must be a good lawyer.”

    So the farmer sold a part of his land for five hundred rupees, and hired the services of Gora lawyer. After all the legal formalities were settled, the court found farmer’s son guilty of the crime, and sentenced him to a 6 month prison term.

    Dejected, disappointed and heart broken, on his way back to his village, the farmer met the desi lawyer. The desi lawyer inquired about the case “what happened?” the farmer replied “We lost.”

    The farmer asked “what kind of sentence your son got.”

    The farmer replied “6 month sentence.”

    Desi lawyer asked “How much did you pay to the lawyer to get this sentence?”

    Farmer replied “five hundred Rupees.”

    Desi lawyer replied” You fool! I could have gotten you the same result for only fifty Rupees.”

  • Habib - Dubai on March 25, 2007, 6:32 GMT

    I am really embrassed by the whole affairs....why Pakistan is on defencive position,,,their coach has been killed in Westindies....where was the security arrangements...irrespective of the motive of the murder....question is how the security breached.....WI refused to tour Pak...due to so called security reasons....now...wht they can say about their own country...I am really shocked way the PCB has reacted....they should have asked them to cancel the world cup....can anybody tell me...wht wud have happened ..if Austrailain or England coach wud have murdered....and specially if it wud have happended in Pakistan....U CAN SEE THE DOUBLE STANDARDS OF ICC AND CRICKET WORLD

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on March 25, 2007, 6:00 GMT

    Ashaq, I don't wanna break your heart and shatter your dreams and destroy the moments of your joy with this breaking news: Boy! I don't get annoyed by you or by anyone on blogs, message boards and chat sites. Because, I don't come here to get offended on petty things, and that too in a virtual world? No way Jose, mois je suis tres kewl ;-) may be its your perception that makes you think like that, tou mai kya keroon? If you are upset on hearing this, I can offer you a kit-kat ......... take a break ........ have a kit kat. :-)

    AND.......why are you showing your ignorance by repeatedly asking the same question when you can always Google the info yourself. Or, do you believe in that proverbial truth that, 'ignorance is bliss'? Well, ignorance may be bliss, but that is exactly what the proverbial frog is in a pan of water slowly brought to a boil. He is ignorant of the truth and it leads to his death. That is why I say, in some cases "Ignorance is a Blister" and that too at the wrong place. Btw, as a child haven't you read the 'Fairy Tales about the Wise Men of Gotham" ? Its never to late, start reading now and you will find out who is the misspelled Prophet on the Blog?

    As regards that 'someone ignorant' and my response to him on the other thread, its a shame that the thread died soon after that and he didn't respond. But, he is not the only one, there are so many like him who have been brainwashed by the media and whenever I find an opportunity, I try to enlighten them with my "not so" judicious comments. And I would like you to do that, instead you are knocking at the wrong door. :-)

    Coming back to the subject of cricket, I am very keen to see the result of tomorrow's match between Bangla Tigers and Bermuda Sumo Wrestlers.

    Hum tou doobay hain shaitaan Tum hay bhee lay doobaingay! :-)

  • Amanzeb Khan on March 25, 2007, 5:21 GMT

    Its one of the saddest incident in the history of world cricket and has left everyone completely shocked. But what shocks me even more is fingers being pointed at members of the team. Lets just wait for the investigations to be completed first and not declare our team criminals before that. People are also suggesting expulsion from world cricket if God forbid one of the players is involved. I want to remind everyone that it is still going to be individual action of those involved and it should not have any bearing on Pakistan's status as a test playing country.

    Bob Woolmer, was no doubt a gentleman and a great coach. I always admired him for his innovation and the relationships he developed with individual members of the team.

  • apuraja on March 25, 2007, 4:07 GMT

    Who killed Bob Woolmer?

    Why?

    Will we ever know the truth?

    Media hype aside, this is definitely going down as the biggest scandal in the history of our beloved sport ... and sadly, we may never find out whodunit!

    I have a stinking feeling this runs deep .. very deep .. not just match-fixing mafia or a few rogue players ... but deep deep into the very leadership of world cricket ...

    I just can't believe that such a high profile person can be murdered by force aka strangulation in such a busy and packed hotel ... and the local police seem to have absolutely no clue ... or do they? The investigations, inquest, post-morten etc etc have been handled so poorly thus far ... it is just *not* possible for such a crime to go unwitnessed in an environment like this ... and that's why I just can't get over that stinking nagging feeling that this is not just a simple "crime of passion" of an angry fan/bookie/player/whatever ...

    Money talks my friends ... how easy would it be to cover up something like this in a relatively poor country like Jamaica? and how many mouths would need to be kept shut in a small police force such as this .. overwhelmed as it is without the WC2007 with a recent statistic of 5 murders a day since 2005.

    The amount of money involved in cricket these days is nothing less than the amount of money involved in illegal activities like drugs, smuggling etc .. corruption is very rampant ... remember "the departed"? not just developing countries like India and Pakistan .. these things happen in so-called advanced nations like USA, UK etc

    I think we as citizens of the world and lovers of the sport need to ensure the culprits are exposed ...whether they are mafia, bookies, players or administrators ... I have no idea how to do this, sitting here on my laptop in the good ol' US of A but I just can't sit quiet reading all the stupid media "exclusives" hypes, misinformation and finger-pointing ... but I am going to do something ... like I said, I don't know right now what but ... something!

  • Marty on March 25, 2007, 3:12 GMT

    Why are there comments being levelled about the lack of security at the World Cup? Bob Woolmer was murdered in his hotel room, for reasons which are yet to be established. The entire cricketing world is hoping that it isn't a word starting with 'm' and ending with 'atch-fixing'.

    I hope for both Pakistan cricket and cricket in general that this is not the case.

  • Vincent Jones on March 25, 2007, 2:20 GMT

    Hello, Firstly I want to say RIP Bob, the game has lost a great man and I can only hope that the people who are implicated in this crime are brought to justice and his family can get some form of peace. Now I realise that I may be upsetting some Pakistani fans with my next few suggestions but now seems a good time to discuss this. I believe that Pakistan have the ability to be world champions but rarely do they seem to ge it right as a team, they have some great individual players such as Afridi, Akhtar, Yousuf to name but a few. Now if Bob's murder was because of match fixing then perhaps all betting on cricket matches involving Pakistan hould be banned or perhaps betting on ANY cricket should be banned. Furthermore, If the Pakistani team / PCB is implicated in Bob's murder, then perhaps Pakistan should be banned from all forms of international cricket until all this match fixing business is cleared up. I understand this will upset many people but perhaps it is all we can do to protect this game we so love and players and coaches. If you want to stop match fixing you must hit the pockets of the people involved, i.e. the bookies, the PCB and the ICC, because Pakistani cricket makes many $ for these people. Furthermore, I would like some clarification from Pakistani folk, how can match fixing be so prevelent in Pakistan? Isn't gambling forbid in Islamic teaching? On a different note, I am not sure if the World Cup should continue, I suppose Bob would want it to go on. RIP Mr. Woolmer. Hopefully England can achieve something this time, If Fred stays off the pop. By the way it was nice to see the Pakistani President bestow an honour on Bob and I believe an academy should be named after him to nuture Pakistani talents.

    Thanks

  • A Kamran on March 25, 2007, 2:00 GMT

    Sir,

    Once again the "learned" commentators on your blog site are jumping the gun. Blaming the Pakistani players for a murder? Guilty unless proven otherwise. Passing judgments on the faith of the players. "Judge not, that ye be not judged", (Matthew 7:1). enough said.

    Throw reason out the window and make merry seems to be the mantra. Then enter the so called "greats" (tigers, ponies, panthers in the field and what have you) who are only happy to criticize with out taking on any responsibility or providing any positive contribution towards the cause, Pakistani cricket. One such "great" with effeminate mannerisms and voice was vocal in "denouncing" the 160 runs scored by Imran Nazir. Rationale?? Rationale?

    I wonder what would have been the response of the ICC and all its affiliates, associates, clans, buffoons etc. had the murder of Bob Woolmer (or for that matter any prominent cricketing personality) taken place in Pakistan? And what are the West Indies doing where security is concerned of the visiting teams and officials? Bungling it up to perfection? No one has raised any concerns over this, what seems to me as a fundamental issue of providing security and a safe environment for the teams. Despite the usual pig headed ( but business savvy ) brush off by a certain very accomplished cricketer, Mr. Speed by statements like, such things happen in sports, I am at least unable to recall anyone being murdered, literally, during all the previous world cups.

    To all and sundry, please watch the 1992 World Cup highlights and see what Inzi is really all about. Give the 2nd highest ODI run scorer in the world, for Pakistan some respect. He at least does not deserve scorn and abuse. And I sincerely hope that all the people who are calling derogatory names to Pakistani cricketers ( or for that matter Indian cricketers ) who are respected by the greater cricket playing world ( e.g.,"Aloo" etc.) can find it in themselves to forget their own painful early childhood school experiences and move on.

    A. Kamran.

  • Taimur Huk on March 25, 2007, 0:09 GMT

    building a bob woolmer sports institute seems like the good thing to do in honor of bob, but wats more important is that we learn a lesson from bob's passing away. bob's demise should teach the cricket fans of pakistan a lesson. cricket is just a game and should be treated as a game. its not worth being burning effiges of players on the road, having their life's in danger, and taking the life of a coach. from now on, paki cricket fans should relax and enjoy the game. winning and losing comes with the package.

  • shanimehmood on March 24, 2007, 23:43 GMT

    who killed BOB....MAY BE SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN ON THE PAY ROLL OF BOOKIES....FOR A LONG LONG TIME...MAY BE 16-17 YEARS...WHO PLAYED TO LOOSE THE WORLD CUP AND WHEN IT WAS FOUND OUT BY BOB WOOLMER THE DECIDED TO STOP HIM TELLING ALL THE WORLD...THE KILLERS EITHER IN THEIR QUANTITY OF TWO (CONSIDERING KILLERS WERE ALSO BIG MAN AND POWERFULLY BUILT)DID IT THEMSELVES,OR KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND GOT THEIR MAFIA FRIENDS IN.

  • unknown on March 24, 2007, 22:56 GMT

    to Sam Ellison : wht the hell do u mean by tht?pakistanis r gr8 at playin victims??n dey r involved em selves?how can u be so sure?plx mind ur own bussiness n plx keep ur stupid comments 2 ur self!

  • Why this hypocrisy? on March 24, 2007, 22:44 GMT

    I hate the hypocrisy that exists in the human society. Had Bob Woolmer not been "killed", every Tom, Dick, and Harry in Pakistan would have accused him of being the cancerous growth that eroded Pakistan's World Cup dreams. Now they are calling him a "martyr" who died for Pakistan's cause. Any takers for Prez Mush's Sitara-i-Imtiaz ?

  • Amir on March 24, 2007, 21:35 GMT

    Just to let u guys know about my previous comment that I posteed that comment on BBC website because of their continuous anti pakistani comments.

  • wasim saqib on March 24, 2007, 21:33 GMT

    When Ramiz Raja Proposed that Pakistan should be the first country operating without a coach I couldnt comprehend what he is really trying to say Is it that Pakistan Team is Un coachable? Or he was trying to say that Pakistan Cricket is Dead so it would not be worth while to spend money on a coach. Whatever he meant,I think he was on crack when he made that statement, he has been a strong advocate for foreign coaches and due to the death of BoB woolmer he thinks that no foreign coach would take Pakistans coaching Job and no desi coach is good enough. Well we have tried two foreign coaches Richard Pybus, and BoB Woolmer hoping that these tech savy foreign coaches employing their Laptops will transform the so called highly "talented" but average on the field Pakistan team into world beaters, But so far we have seen that technology was either not employed or was employed to judge the weakness of Pakistan team and probably the results were either emailed to the SA team OR Irish team.People have called BoB Woolmer a national Hero,the government Of Pakistan has bestowed the highest National Honor upon him, and Kamran is still not satisfied he wants a Sports science institue to be built after BoBs name,why because he was murdered on the Job and we in our deep subconcious level some how think that his untimely death is some how related to Pakistan team,if thats the case no matter how many awards we bestow on him is not going to do any good, On the other hand if we look at BoBs performance it hasnot been that good at all,People hiring him thought that he will do wonders with Pakistan team through his Laptop,but in reality our boys lost the basics of cricket. like How too bat on Green Bouncy Track,how to pace the innings,how too bowl in the depth of an innings etc. Except the first one the later two were the forte of Pakistan cricket team before BoB Joined us,and now it seems our boys will have to learn those skills all over again, thanks to technology. The world cricket is changing fast it is imperitive that we learn the new tactics,but I dont think any foreign coach can help us in this regard. If we are going to hire a Desi coach who should we hire,I propose Aqib Javaid he won us two Under 19 World cups,unlike other ex players he has consistently stayed away from controversial statements and has consistently been coaching in our domestic setup and producing results,he should be the senior coach and he should be given two assitant coaches one for batting and one for fielding.A lot of players in the current team are over aged we need to find young raw talent,specially for one day cricket. If we improve our domestic cricket and prepare all kind of pitches and test our players on those pitches before we go abroad we will be fine. But one thing is for sure the Pakistan fans need to learn how to support their team without being overzealous,its a long road,and we all need to be very patent.

  • Amir on March 24, 2007, 21:32 GMT

    To me one of the worst things in this world is English media. They are always Anti Pakistanis and anti muslims. “Woolmer would almost certainly still be alive if he had not taken on the job of Pakistan coach .”Look at the mentality of the people.This newspaper should be ashamed of having such people. There are some really genuine people there as well but of course media plays a really important role in developing hatred in the hearts of the normal public. As you can see majority of people here are the supporters of BNP and this media provides a chance to them to come here and say a lot of rubbish. Those supporting Darell Hair are just racists. All the cricket playing nations decided his future and not alone the ICC or PCB. What else do you want?

    All the Pakistani players and the Pakistani public paid a great tribute to Bob.Even the Pakistani president has attributed him and has awarded him a civilian award where is 606 debate on that???

    People in this media say alot of things which hurt millions of other people but its freedom of speech here. When I say something my comments are deleted. Why don’t you leave Pakistani Cricket alone and rather teach your own players how to play cricket….

    As usual my comment was deleted after 2 mins. Freedom of speech

  • Nasser on March 24, 2007, 19:42 GMT

    I agree with Faridoon. Shoaib Akhtar must now view the steroids in his system as divine intervention. If he was in Jamaica, he would have been named a prime suspect by the press based on his history with Woolmer. There is some irony in the fact that his steroid use (or injury) caused him to miss the world cup. What seemed like a disaster for both Shoaib and Asif has turned in to a blessing in disguise for them.

  • Jilani on March 24, 2007, 19:11 GMT

    ok, some more thoughts.

    I have to say that I was deeply touched by the teams display of professionalism during the Zimbabwe game.

    I still maintain that on its "regluar" day and NOT-THE-BEST day, Pakistan team can defeat ANY team in the world...perhaps not the Aussies. For that they would have to play their best..mentally and physically.

    In Umar Gul (8 to 10 year bowling life), Asif (8 to 10 year bowling life), Sami (6 to 8 year bowling life) and Shoaib 3 to 4 year bowling life), based on pure statistical analysis there is a 85% probability that Pakistan can get most of the teams out for 250 to 260 on average with the white ball (Trust me-I have done my statistical analysis). The one-day batting strategy should be focus built to ensure that the team ALWAYS approaches the 250+ mark consistently-batting 1st or 2nd...and then rely on the bowling sqaud to defend the total. This can result in wins in approximately 85% on the games. THAT IS A GREAT FIGURE TO STRIVE FOR.

    In my suggested last points for team's improvement, I missed perhaps the biggest one that everyone keeps referring to....GREEN-MEAN-BOUNCY-FAST pitches. Pakistan team should incorporate a regular regimen to practice on green pitches and "matted" pitches to the point that team actually views a green pitch as an advantage in critical matches. Seem, swing and bounce should be muscle memory for the Pakistani team.

    J.

  • Further bad news on March 24, 2007, 17:43 GMT

    some of u are wondering whether it could get any worse, the following are real possibilities

    1. Someone very close to the Pak team is resposible for the murder 2. pak team implicated in match fixing 3. WADA succeeds in its appeal 4. Miandad is reappointed

  • Euceph Ahmed on March 24, 2007, 17:10 GMT

    To my co-blogger JAVED A. KHAN, Daak Khana MONTREAL, Tehsil CANADA:

    Jaidee Bhaiyya, nice kiss-ass job to Kamran Abbasi while criticizing me. No wonder all your blogs get posted.

    Just for some kicks here's a little Habib Jaalib for you:

    Dil ki Baat Labon Par Laa Kay Ab Tak Hum Dukh Sehtay Hain Hum Nay Suna Tha Iss Basti Main Dil Waalay Bhi Rehtay Hain Ek Hamain Awaara Kehna Koi Bara Ilzaam Nahi Duniya Walay Dil Waalon Ko Aur Buhut Kuch Kehtay Hain

    Now recycle it in some other blog...

  • Rashid on March 24, 2007, 16:51 GMT

    My thoughts and good wishes goes out to Bob and his family. Mr. Abbasi!I really do not know from when you become a private detective. Before the world cup you was a foreteller with no vision. Now you are basically saying that one of the player is guilty. But I agree with you that the PCB board and the selector of the board need to be dumped. I think Imran is the only one with reputation and common sense to lead Pakistan cricket. Everyone is blaming Inzi, but it is the fault of PCB that he was captain for so long and Shoaib was the way he was. Inzi gave many good memories to remember,Why do you forget 1992? . I will be straight forward I do not support innovations of tablegee , but that is his personal life and you and no one has any right to intervene ! Period. Pakistan is not a grateful nation to it's own heroes.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on March 24, 2007, 16:50 GMT

    Caly high; from your statement it is not clear whether you are in favour of Miandad as a coach or stopping to trade with China? I know a lot of people hate Miandad, poor chap has two problems: One, he is not as good looking as Imran Khan. Two, he is not well educated and cannot express himself very well. But, he is not as uncouth and uncivilized as Sarfaraz Nawaz. He has a lot of passion for the promotion of cricket in Pakistan. Apart from Viv Richards, even the Guru of all the gurus Imran Khan says; Javed Miandad has a wonderful cricketing brain and he is a good planner of the game. He was a coach before Woolmer and just a series lost against India at home in which Pakistan did not play that badly and that was a petty reason to chuck him out and get Woolmer in, and Rameez who was CEO then, was behind all this.

    Lets first examine the ex-Pakistani cricket players as a probable candidate for the post of a main coach.

    Imran Khan: I don't understand why people always demand that Imran Khan should become the coach or the chairman of PCB? People should understand that he is in politics and aiming for the top position in Pakistan either a President or Prime Minister's post and for him this will be a very petty job and very rightly so. Therefore, please don't even talk about him for this post.

    Wasim Akram: Not a very cool headed person to coach, also had a reputation for having links with the bookies and his mysterious pull-off from the WC in Bangalore is viewed very suspiciously, whether it was a genuine chest muscle pull or a bag full (of crores of rupees) that kept him out of the crucial match.

    Waqar Younis: He was a good bowling coach and he can still get this job back, provided he works in harmony with the main coach. But, that is asking too much because, the tableeghi group were able to chuck him out that easily then the Miand$$$ question is, whether he would be able to take his shrewd and blunt comments?

    Aaquib Javed: Highly over-rated and a mediocre player, just because he has created an academy or a cricket stadium at Sheikhupura does not add any special qualifications to his CV.

    Majid Khan: Already held senior positions and may not be interested in taking up the job again. Besides, he is a very short tempered person who can blew up his fuse any moment. Forget about him. Besides, he too has lost his hope in Bazid Khan so he may not be willing to take up the job.

    Intikhab Alam: Don't even mention his name. The man has no integrity and he lost his respect very recently while commenting on Shoaib Akhtar.

    Zaheer Abbass: Very nice guy, an excellent batsman of his era, but a very cool relaxed and laid back type of person, again, not suitable for the job.

    Rashid Latif: Very controversial, extremely blunt and negative approach, he wants to be in the focus all the time. Besides, he would create a regional war between Punjabi and Mohajir and what not. He should pursue a career in journalism and a sports critic.

    Moin Khan: He should first learn how to control his emotions and keep his house in order before thinking of taking up any job and for him coaching or man management should only be a dream. May be he should contact alcohol anonymous first.

    Amir Sohail: The other day while commentating he was trying to preach humility and commenting how players should control their emotions and not throw away their wickets . To, me it was like a "Save the Dolphin" sticker on a Japanese fishing trawler. How conveniently he forgot his own actions at the Bangalore match in the 1996 WC when he asked V. Prasad to go and fetch the ball from the boundary line and got clean bowled on the next one, and that was due to his sheer arrogance. He thinks his arrogance has gone off with his hair, then he is "baldly mistaken."

    Rameez Raja: He should open a barber's saloon and promote Rambo's hair style. Thank goodness me that ICC has made it mandatory for all the commentators to wear a nice, fresh, lemony coloured cotton shirt or else we would have to bear the pathetic choice of stripy shirts in all sorts of gaudy colours and mismatch ties that he used to wear which was kinda eye-sore.

    While on the subject of dress code and commentators, I cannot resist mentioning the funniest of all the characters and that is: Laxman Siva Rama Krishna. Even in the extreme heat, humidity and temp as high as 40C, he used to wear a woolen jacket and look like a 'scare crow' and even more funnier is the way he sings his English phrases from a happy note to a melancholy note just like the Koyal (cuckoo) and from a high note to a flat note. Seems like he has two variable tweeters and no sub-woofer. Anyways, Rameez is like Majid Khan, "been there done that" and he should stick to whatever he is doing now. But, he definitely needs a hair cut and ask Rana Nayee to help him out.

    Tableeghi Coaches: Let them wait for a government change until then they can enjoy the mango season eat, sleep and NO gym.

    Is there anyone else that I have forgotten to mention? I am defo against the idea of foreign coaches but its just me and my opinion and PCB will decide what they think is best. If at all they go for a foreign coach, then they should think of Michael Holding. In my opinion he is very observant, his analysis and comments are very good and he provides a deep insight. Besides, he is experienced and have very good knowledge of the game. He has a very uncanny knack of expressing his views in a funny accent. BUT he is definitely not a diplomat like Woolmer and he won't hesitate to call a spade, a spade. And thats what you need from a coach. The players, if they keep on repeating their silly mistakes must be told of their deficiencies and short comings in a blunt way so that they remember it and take it seriously. Miandad does that, but being a 'ghar ki murghi' some senior players may not like that, whereas, Holding would be given more respect even if he yells at them for their mistakes.

  • Owais on March 24, 2007, 16:35 GMT

    From what we have seen, its clear that Bob was great coach and a true gentleman. However, I don't still believe the autopsy result !!! if he was strangled to death, what about the vomit and diarahea marks on the bathroom. Was that part original ? ofcourse they could not have killed him and then all that. I believe there needs to be a second pathologist report. We should also wait for the toxicology report. And if indeed he was murdered, we should wait for the result of all this inquiry because in case of murder, the actual story might be different. Anyway, given the information we have, I guess Kamran's suggestions are all relevant and should be implmented, but just wait for the final outcome of all this.

    Kamran mentioned that this academy will be good for Pakistan cricket, true. But we should also have better grounds, better first class, league, inter-collegiate and inter-school cricketing structure. The pitches should be brought upto international standard and many many pitches should be laid at each venue so that bounce does not vanish because of too many matches being played on same turf. First class structre should be improved, sponsors should be approaches and that along with a "bob woolmer" academy should start producing result in next 10 years. Currently Aussies and South Africans are way ahead, especially the Aussies. The difference is gonna grow I am sure if things remain the same. I saw Hayden and Ponting rip SA attack apart - the attack that dismissed Pakistani batting line up, read shitty batting lineup, under 125 3 out of last 5 encounters.

  • Mohammad Masood on March 24, 2007, 16:15 GMT

    This is further to my earlier comment that while Bob Woolmer's death is very unfortunate, it does not mean that we let our emotions take over and do not do a pragmatic assessment of his performance as a coach and give him more credit than is due. He was Pakistan coach, who was not able to deliver what was required of him and got adequtely compensated financially. In todays world the performance is judged by the results produced. If you are a sales person, you would be judged on how much sales you bring in. If you are a profit center manager then your performance is judged on how much profit you make for the organization. The performance is not judged on the basis of how nice a person you are. In my view nicities aside the performance of a coach should be judged on the following benchmarks and how would Bob score on each benchmark on a scale of 0-10. A coach is entrusted with the following responsibilities: 1) Remove technical weakenesses in players and improve their ability to play on sporting pitches.Bob score would be 0. No player showed any improvement. 2) Develop match strategy: Pakistani team lacked strategy in important games. Once they were put in the back foot, they would be able to seldom get back in the game. Bob score would be almost zero here as well. 3) Develop killer instinct in the team. Pakistan team lately lost that and gave up the game mid way thorugh in imaginative captaincy and lethargic performances. Bob would score low here may 3 or 4. 4) Mental and physical toughness: Pakistan thoroughly lacked both. Hence Bob score 0 here as well. 5) DEvelop back up players: Pakistan has no back up players.They had no replacement for openers, Abdul Razzak, Mohammad Asif and Shoaib Akhter. 6) Develop capability to win on sporting pitches: Pakistan record is miserable both in tests and one dayers. Bob would score 0 in developing Pakistan's capability in this area. 7) Lift players up from a slump. Kamran Akmal, Inzamam and some of the other players, who continued to perform under par yet for quite a long time. Bob would score 0 here 8) Deveop new talent: Non developed by Bob 9) Instill energy in the team. Bob could not move Inzamam and resultantly rest of the team. Here Bob would score low. 10) Hold long training session: Cannot imagine Bob doing that because of his age. Good coaches would work with the players long hours until their weakness are removed.

    These are some of the benchmarks that I would use to rate the coach performance. I am afraid, Bob doesn't score much in opinion.

    While we can pray for his soul to rest in piece, I would close Bob Woomer's chapter. As a coach, he did not deliver the results, hence does not deserve any praise for his services.

    We do not need nice persons, we need effe3ctive coach.

  • Jilani on March 24, 2007, 15:48 GMT

    Hi cricket lovers, I have seen so so many comments but I am amazed that we have yet to identify a real holes in Pakistan's armour as a international side.

    1) They should have a team psychiatrist for mental fitness. It is a common practice with sports teams in Americe to have train players the mental tenacity to hang in tight. That is what Pakistan lacks.

    2) Pakistan team should have a cricket strategy panel of former and current players to advise the team during important events. This panel can include people from related subject areas such as statistics, wicket-maker expert to provide facts on the next day's upcoming game.

    3) Coaching hould be specialized in 6 granular sub-categories---pace attack, fielding/wicketkeeper, spin-arrack, batting/running, physical fitness and mental fitness.

    4) Loose a single head-coach system. Have a team manager.

    5) Fitness should be mandatory and instituted like the military. Design a single fitness criteria for the following three combinations: fielding/bowling (stricter criteria) and fielding/batting (relatively loose). Have quarterly fitness exams for people in each category.

    6) Team should have a "presentation" training that should include--personal grooming, public speaking and basic english conversation. LOOSE THE BUSHMAN BEARDS.

    That is just am initial list. Glad we are not the only ones to miss out the super8.

    J.

  • mohidin gundroo on March 24, 2007, 15:30 GMT

    Out of all the matches played so far only in one match Pak/Ireland did the grounds man leave plenty of green grass on the pitch with obvious disadvatage to the team batting first.I just wonder who made the decision and more importantly why, to leave plenty of grass on in a vital match, which made major contribution to the ultimate out come and to betting odds.I am sure neither bob nor any Pak team member would have been involved in such decision making.just a thought?university dept of sports sciences to be named after bob for better in the long term.i am not sure if they are even aware of such sciences. i am sure our leading universities in this field will be willing to help and guide to set up the programme if approached

  • Naseem Ashraf ka chot bhai on March 24, 2007, 15:29 GMT

    Look ppl...you can have all the roads, bridges, stadiums, buildings and institutes named after Mr. Bob or you can give him as many sitara's you want, it doesn't make any difference at all. In the first place, they disgraced the old guy by hiring him as coach for our cricket team. He was a cricket coach...not a zoo keeper....and he had no idead how to tame wild animals. Plus, he didn't understand their language or their instincts. They should have handed Javed Miandad a "DANDA" made him a general in the army and posted him as chairman of PCB. Additionally, the should have made Imran Khan the Prime Minister of Pakistan and chief patron of PCB. Moreover, they should have assigned two all purpose servants, two body guards, two cooks, two shoe polishers, two drivers, three cars, one SUV, one Hummer, four houses (with wives in each) to Inzamam-ul-haq out of the army "khata"...so that at least he wouldn't have the players do all these jobs.

  • Raja Faisal on March 24, 2007, 15:28 GMT

    I wonder how come no one is talking about the "Security Arrangements" of the world cup. If this thing had happened in Pakistan, the cricket world would have taken extreme measures. I think the Jamaican Police should have done their jobs to avoid this situation rather than putting the Pakistani team through the mental stress of fingerprinting and DNA testing.

  • razi ahmed - USA on March 24, 2007, 15:16 GMT

    I think we have so many poor people dont have access to proper health, safe drinking water, education. We had million of earthquake victim. As I can understand that our team has failed to achieve and finish their task. As a repercussion they would dedicate their life alongwith 16 crore people to reduce those problem. We cant afford to spend so much money on 16 people rather we should spend money on 16 crore people.

  • khalid durrani on March 24, 2007, 14:29 GMT

    Kamran, first all thanks forposting my comments last time. Now I want to bring to your attention few comments from some one who even wants to keep his name as secret. I want all icluding yourself to go through it and Judge that why such comments are not blocked by you : Posted by: EXPOSE PAK CRICKET at March 23, 2007 12:26 PM Dear Mr Abbasi, YOU ARE A VERY SENSIBLE AND ARTICULATE MAN WHEN IT COMES TO EXPRESSING YOUR VIEWS ON PAKISTAN CRICKET. I THEREFORE REQUEST YOU PUBLISH MY MAIL ON YOUR BLOG. FIRSTLY I WILL ECHO YOUR WORDS REGARDING BOB'S FAMILY, THEY ARE SHOWING AMAZING DIGNITY IN ALL THIS. HOWEVER NOW WE HAVE IT CONFIRMED THAT BOB WAS MURDERED, QUESTION THAT NEEDS ANSWERING IS BY WHOM? AND AND WHY?.... I AM OF THE FIRM BELIEVE THAT IT WAS NOT AN IRRATE SUPPORTER, AS GIVEN THE FACTS IT IS VERY REMOTE. NOW LETS NOT BEAT ABOUT THE BUSH, EX PLAYERS IN THE GAME ALL ARE SAYING IT IS TO DO WITH MATCH FIXING, AND THIS SEEMS TO HOLD WATER. FIRSTLY IN ORDER FOR THEIR TO BE MATCH FIXING, THE PROCESS IS A TWO WAY THING PLAYERS AND BOOKIES WORKING TOGETHER. IT NOW MUST BE OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO FIND OUT WHO ARE INVOLVED FROM THE PAKISTAN TEAM? THEY MUST THEN FACE CRIMINAL CHARGES AND DEALT WITH THE MOST SEVERE WAY POSSIBLE. AFTER THIS THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR BOB'S DEATH SHOULD BE ROOTED OUT AND HUNG FOR THIS ACT. PAKISTAN OFFICALS MUST I STRESS MUST KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. THEY MUST FEEL THE WRATH OF THE INTERNATIONAL WORLD THAT IS THE CRICKET WORLD BE EXILED FROM PLAYING INTERNATIONAL CRICKET. THIS IS SURELY THE ANSWER, TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM WILL BE TO ELIMINATE THE PROBLEML; PAKISTAN CRICKET. IT JUST GOES TO REFLECT THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN PAKISTAN, CORRUPT TO THEIR BACK TOOTH, NO DIGNITY AND PRIDE. AS A GOOD HONEST MAN HAS PAID FOR HIS LIFE AND A FAMILY HAS LOST A FATHER A HUSBAND, I ASK YOU MR ABBASI TO HELP EXPOSE THESE CORRUPT ELEMENT OF PAKISTAN CRICKET. FINALLY, PAKISTAN SHOULD FACE POSSIBLE BAN FOR AS LONG AS THE ICC DEEM IS NECESSARY TO SOLVE THEIR CORRUPT HOUSE. PAKISTAN CRICKET IS A CANCER AND IS KILLING WORLD CRICKET. THESE ROGUE ELEMENTS MUST BE EXPOSED. ALSO I AM CERTAIN FROM WHAT I READ THAT PAK TEAM MEMBERS ARE INVOLVED AS IT COULD NOT TAKE PLACE WITHOUT THEIR INPUT. THEREFORE SHAME ON THEM SHAME SHAME. THAT THEY WOULD SETTLE FOR A FEW DOLLARS IN LIEU OF THEIR SELF RESPECT AND PRIDE OF THE NATION. WE MUST ALL STOP PRETENDING THAT IT DOES NOT EXIST, AND ELIMINATE THEM FROM PAK CRICKET. PS BEST WAY TO REMEMBER BOB WOULD BE NO TROPHY BUT TO EXPOSE AND CHANGE PAKISTAN CRICKET INTO WHAT HE WANTED. FAIR AND HONEST PLAY.

    I have been indicating to you earlier as well that there are some elements who instead commenting on the events always try to curse Pakistan and its people. There are bad elements in all societies and in all games but it is not true to hurt the feeling of a Nation. I would request you to not let your forum be used by anti-Pakistan elements. Please block such comments which I think is your Policy as well. Then why you are not paying any attention to it ? I would also request all not to start media trial and refrain from commenting on a issue which is still under investigation. This will be the best we can do for the soul of Bob and also for his family. Thanks Khalid Durrani,USA

  • Fareed Nasir on March 24, 2007, 14:10 GMT

    From shamrock to building and naming a whole university department in his name. What a change of opinion. How soon Woolmer has become a saint from a villian. This totally thanda or totally garam personality typifies most of us and shows how sentimental we are about this game. Sentiments Which can be and are used by people to make money out of it. Lots of money with Lots on stake.

    As far as Woolmers murder is concerned, lets wait and find out what actually happened before we make people into saints or devils.

    Here are some thoughts I will like to share and invite comments on.

    I think we have to wake up to the fact that cricket is deeply entrenched in gambling and betting. I also used to ignore and dismiss this but now its in our face. A person has been murdered just goes to show how high the stakes are and to what extent these people will go.

    Hansie cronje, Woolmers protege died an unnatural death too.

    The Pitch for the match looked more like a football pitch? Does the match fixing extend beyond players and involves umpires and groundsmen etc.

    Countries like Pakistan and india provide state level security for teams and officials in big tournaments. The security in Jamaica was non existent, which would be a big invitation to anyone wanting to get scores even etc

    Wolmer to all extent and purposes knew the people who killed him. So they must be people who are seen and known in cricketing circles.

    I bet other officials and players in world cricket have a fair idea of whats going on, but maybe they are afraid to come forward or maybe even involved.

    An IRATE fan would try to kill Inzimam at 5th floor not Woolmer on 12th.

    Throttling is also called exhibitional killing, Its either a result of extreme hatred or trying to send a message across to other people to make them co-operate.

    India lost to Bangladesh on same day. Is it turf war two big syndicates involved.One lost a lot the others made a lot. You help one the other gets you. Or maybe you dont help anyone but one side suspects you are helping the other.

    Woolmers diary is missing, Was that going to be his REAL book, and the coaching manual another book he was writing a red herring.

    Pakistan Team hotel had that fire incident and they lost their stuff, Including Woolmers book, PJ mir in PC said he "Woolmer" was very disturbed. Why would he be disturbed. I am sure there was a copy saved in many places So why the worry.

    These are thoughts, rantig and ravings of someone who is deeply disturbed by what is going on, And who believes that Cricket as we know and love is going to change forever and there is going to be a lot more that we will have to endure in coming days. I hope I am wrong.

  • Ayaz A. on March 24, 2007, 13:55 GMT

    I hope this be the lesson for the PCB, which I hate whole-heartedly. People who haven't even touched a cricket bat in their whole life are running this organization. What a shame?.... These are the people who should be getting prosecuted for the losses in World Cup and for letting SIFAARSHIS play for Pakistan. Shame on you Pakistan Cricket Board. I would be much happier if it is replaced by Irish Cricket Board and leprachaun as the president.

  • Mohammad Masood on March 24, 2007, 13:50 GMT

    Bob Woolmer's death was tragic and untimely and one feels sad about it, but we have to realistically view his achievements as a coach. If we take a dispassionate look at the achievement of Pakistani team under his coaching, one would see not much of improvement in the performance. The real test of a team's performance is judged from the overseas tours. Pakistan lost all overseas tours and all major tournaments, during his tenor as coach. The team did not improve technically in any department and lacked the will to win. If you compare to some top teams, their coach and captains would want to win every game (whether they did that or not it was a differrent matter), for Inzamam and Bob Woolmer you win some you loose some.

    Bob Woolmer did not instill confidence in the team. He, in lot of ways, had a defeatist attitude. I disticntly remember Ramiz Raja saying that Bob complained about the green top pitch before the Ireland match and in some ways lost the match before the start. It was also very strange for me hear from Bob that he fancy South Africa win the World Cup. In the 20 20 match in South Africa, he did not exhume confidence about Pakistan team's chamnces of winning the 20 20 match. I am not sure what did he really bring to Pakistani team, except poor performances against good teams.

    I believe that we should not evaluate his performance as a coach any differently than we would have done if he was alive. Mr Kamran Abbasi would you have recommended Bob Woolmer's institute if he was alive, or would the President of Pakistan have given Pride of performance award to him if he was alive? Probabaly you would be screeming to fire him from the job for bringing disgrace to the country. We would have disgraced him and fired him before he set foot on Pakistani soil for such a miserable performance in the World cup.

    Finally, I would add that as a nation our moods fluctuate. Bob Woolmer, who was criticzed for the performance of Pakistan, suddenly is portrayed as top class coach who have done wonders with the Pakistani team. Wonders he has done alright. This is the first time in the history of the World cup, Pakistan lost in the prleiminary rounds. This is a fact and must be remembered.

  • Faraz (the first Faraz on all of Kamran's blogs) on March 24, 2007, 12:56 GMT

    Kamran: It is deplorable as to what has transpired... BUT, KNOW THIS WELL, we are rushing to judgement here.....we are still unclear as to cause of Woolmer's death. It could be an outcome of a bookie conflict, bribe deal gone sour, some bookie loosing millions due to Bob's shitty strategies in coordination with Inzy ( I mean all tragedy aside, we know how impaired his judgement has been since Oval fiasco) and who knows what could have happened...Meanwhile we have awarded him "Sitara-e-Imtiaz", observed a minute's silence on Republic day and still talking about honoring him some more... I ask why?? Is it any less as to what we are going through as Pakistanis and what our cricket team has to endure? I am referring to our collective integrity as a nation…as a people ?? why are we not talking sense?..just because Woolmer's death we are caving into media pressure and those lousy Jamaican police officials who failed to ensure the safety of a visiting team. That’s where all the dirt flinging should be focussed towards, not self-incriminating acts and statements or this cheap and unnecessary talk of honoring Woolmer.... I mean for crying out loud people get a hold of yourselves…If it was determined that he died due to a direct consequence of some Pakistani fan’s outrage or as a result of depression from having to face the music of angry fans back home…ONLY then it is right to act like this (like thieves) and even then the worse that could have happened was he would have gotten fired ? BUT There is definitely more to it than just suicide or murder from some angry fan. I MEAN WE ARE THE VICTIMS….the security was flawed and the cricketing world should focus on consoling us not that our players get lined up, being fingerprinted and DNAd while we talk of ridding ourselves of a guilt that we did not commit ??

    Let me put this to everyone: WHAT IF WOOLMER'S DEATH IS DUE TO HIS OWN MALICIOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH BOOKIES?? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO THEN? STRIP HIM OF SITARA-E-IMTIAZ...OR DISHONOR HIM..??

    KAMRAN: YOU NEED TO VOICE THE MANHANDLING OF PAKISTANI TEAM AT THE HANDS OF THOSE JAMAICAN RASCALS AND OUR GOVERNMENT BEING MUTE ON IT AS IF THEY WERE MISSING TESTICULAR FORTITUDE. THAT IS HOW TO BEST APPROACH TO TACKLING THIS DILEMMA THAT HAS BEFALLEN US.

    ON A SEPARATE NOTE KAMRAN, YOU CANNOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO INSULT/CURSE legends like Javed Miandad on your blog. This is simply unacceptable!! A perfectly shameful example is post # 2 from a Kiran. Unless, this is a male, I have to admit that I felt a "fish out of water" after reading it, given that the source is a female. Undeniably, we have some "kanjars" who are no better than the pigs they make a living with and feel no indignity to spill their stark realities on a forum like this, knowing full well of the tragedies current and the ones that are in the offing.

    We need to address the situation head-on, only then are we distinguishing ourselves from the fools who are compounding this problem and making Pakistani cricket and its fans like murderers when they are NOT!

    Pakistan Zindabad ! Pakistan Paiendabad !

  • Shehzad Ghani on March 24, 2007, 12:42 GMT

    I did not wish to contribute to this blog except for reading from few days before the WC started. I am only writing now to show how worried I am for Pakistani cricketers and Pakistan's honor now. I hope they identify the murderer soon and I pray its not a Pakistani!!

  • KS on March 24, 2007, 12:25 GMT

    i was, yes i was following all the events of cricket till Mr. Bob Woolmer died (later revealed murdered). I believe there are lot more like me have abandoned watching or following Cricket after this tragic incident. It is a major blow for this sport. No sport should be responsible for a death of someone who was involved in so deeply. It time for people like to introspect supporting cricket. all thoughts with Mr. Bob Woolmer's family and hearty condolences to the bereaved family

  • Kashif Alam on March 24, 2007, 12:20 GMT

    Forget about a memorial for Bob, Kami. First keep your fingers crossed that Pakistani players are not involved in the murder of Bob. The news here in London is that Jamaican police believe Pakistani players were involved but are being careful until the DNA tests come through. This is a long way from over.

  • Saeed Sohail on March 24, 2007, 12:15 GMT

    The sports institute wont happen because this is Pakistan and the Military would rather use that money to buy BMWs for their wives and kids. The best tribute to Bob would be to name a stand at the Lahore Stadium or the Academy after him. As far as Pakistan cricket goes, Younis Khan is not the solution nor his Miandad. Younis has failed each time as Captain, and he is too inconsistent to be Skipper. Miandad has had 3 goes at the job and he was kicked out or made to resign each time because he was playing politics in the team (eg bringing his nephew Faisal Iqbal into the team ahead of deserving players like Asim Kamal, Hassan Raza, Misbah ul Haq etc). Under Miandad's coaching heroics Pakistan scored 52 all out and 50 all out against Australia in Sharjah of all places in a test match, and under Miandad's 'inspired' coaching Pakistan lost to England, Sri Lanka and India at home and against everyone else abroad. So no thanks, we dont need Miandad. The best bet would be to make SALMAN BUTT the new CAPTAIN of the team, and SHOAIB MALIK the VICE CAPTAIN. For a coach, we need an Australian. Despite the tragedy that befell Bob, under the right circumstances we will be able to get a foreign coach. I would go for Dean Jones of Australia. He was a hard headed aggressive batsman and a terrific fielder and he has an excellent relationship with the Pakistani players. Dean Jones as coach and Salman Butt as Captain would make a new chapter in Pakistan cricket and they can together return Pakistan to the glory days, when our players were aggressive on the field, and not a bunch of lambs or members of the tableegi jamaat.

  • Nasdaq7 SA RE:EXPOSE PAK CRICKET on March 24, 2007, 11:35 GMT

    I'm so glad you have posted those remarks. The truth is, it is something that which my subconscious mind have told me is a possibility. Few people are aware of the level of corruption at all levels of society. It is highly improbable that Bob Woolmer was involved in match fixing. I think he learned his lesson in the Hansie Cronje scandal. But if fast bowlers Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif are guilty of failing drug tests, it is possible for any Pakistan player to be corrupt. I'm sure whoever bet on Ireland that day is smiling today - big time. Often people discount the improbable, to satisfy their own view of the world. Corruption is everywhere and in every country, not only Pakistan. The super rich are often the worst offenders. It really doesn't matter how technologically advanced a country and modern its constitution and judicial branch. There are many undeserving people living in luxurious homes and driving luxury cars throughout the world. All beneficiaries of manipulated contracts, tenders, bribes and dealings... Corruption must be investigated and rooted out at all levels of society - to preserve our self-respect, leadership and performance.

  • Dr Tanzil Ahmad on March 24, 2007, 11:20 GMT

    Still saddened by the loss of Bob, a memorial will be a lasting legacy of what he tried to aspire within Pakistani cricket and would be welcomed.

  • Dr Khurram Sadiq on March 24, 2007, 11:13 GMT

    in the time of apartheid, he was the one person who came to help the Pakistanis. Despite of a language barrier, he mingled with the team at a personal level, and was not only their coach but their friend, guide, teacher and father at the very same time. No coach has so looked so good in thi sbunch before. You could actually feel the transference and counterference just by watching them on the TV screen. The loss is irrepairable. We can do some ammends by praying for his soul and giving our soul into one passion that Bob lived for. I hope, Allah give courage to Bob woolmer's family , Pakistani players and the whole nation to get over this irrpairable loss.

  • Pieter on March 24, 2007, 11:13 GMT

    Wow Kamran, man you are like a feather in the wind blown into any direction. Today SA plays AUS, but it will be hard to enjoy the game. With the Hansie Cronjie scandal, we cleaned our cricket. Other countries, like Australia, India, let their match fixers continue to play cricket. Hopefully SA can honor Bob with a victory over the Aussies, and winning the World Cup will also honor the contribution he brought to SA cricket. Pakistan it is to late, to honor him, just go and read this blog. Thank you Bob, we are number 1 because of your imput.

  • Javed Khan - Toronto on March 24, 2007, 9:55 GMT

    "Amir Aleem" is the only one who made any sense with his post above. The odds are pointing towards match fixing and Pakistani players having killed the coach. Pakistan cricket will never recover if this is the case. I suggest the so-called intellectuals above who are talking about "brown sahibs" and "beards" put that kind of nonsense to rest, and think about where this murder case is going because that is of the utmost importance at the moment.

  • Shwet on March 24, 2007, 9:00 GMT

    First of all my prediction that India too will join Pakistan in exiting early has been proved right . However enough of that later on what i would like to comment is that if indeed Pakistani Players are involved in this Ghastly barbaric act then there is no greater shame for pakistan than this latest fiasco. Pardon me my Pakistani Friends for my strong views but i speak totally from an outsiders perspective. If and it is still an If this has happened Pakistan needs to be Banned from cricket for at least the next ten years. How can the people of Pakistan justify killing an innocent human being. Yes India too is corrupt but what I have been hearing about Pakistan is totally scary , it seems that we cannot have enough of the match fixing scandal and then we have these murder accusations. The president is too busy in being populist and dictatorial tries to suppress justice and then gives a civilian award to woolmer in another populist scheming moment. This bloke is just interested in gathering points from the international media to prove what a liberated modern icon he is. As if playing america's stooge was not enough the chief justice is dismissed something which can never happen in India where the supreme court is all powerful and the politicians too have to remain in it's jurisdiction. However i will not digress from the point first of all some erstwhile pakistani players should refrain from making statements without the result coming out. Please somebody reign the stupid sarfraz nawaz i also blame the Indian media for entertaining such a buffoon.This man is a clown and wants to hog as much attention as possible. Unless Pakistan tries to nail the criminals and nail them justly there is little hope of anything improving.

  • Haqnawaz Habib on March 24, 2007, 8:45 GMT

    I would say again that whatever we do now, it will not bring back Bob.

    I think steps should be taken at the ICC level. The players who are involved in match fixing should be banned for life. The corrupt culture of sub-continent is in the game as well. We have seen worst of it. I hope that there is no involvement of Pakistan in this case. I feel that Pakistan cricket is on target. Pak/Eng series incident, Shoaib & Asif dope test and now this incident.

    Inzi is no doubt a great player but he will regret being a captain or containing it for long and producing one of the worst result in the history of Pakistan Cricket. We have seen him crying, but he can not undo what is part of the history now. The PCB should be blamed and later Inzi. Inzi could make his personal decision not to become a captain (like sachin) and rather concentrate on his individual batting. Winning a match is impossible now without a team effort.

    Bom Woolmer was a great man in terms of his experience and quality. Pakistan team should stick with local coach now. We have plenty of outstanding individuals who has lot of experience of different situations, grounds and opposition. The coach should have assistant coach who can do research/analysis. Statistics are very important in the cricket. Knowing your opposition, ground, weather and tactics. I did some research for the Pak tour of England when I was playing cricinfo fantasy league and won one-day series. I just browse cricinfo statistics of both team and the grounds where they were scheduled to play and the individuals performance. It is not a difficult job.

    Bom Woolmer academy is a nice idea. I heard they are doing something like that in south africa. Also president has given the bravery award to this man. For me the best thing for Woolmer will winning the next world cup. The ultimate goal of any coach at such big events is to win the cup.

    I feel sorry for Woolmer family and I was hurt like any other person. He did a great job for Pakistan.

  • Mohammad Masood on March 24, 2007, 8:35 GMT

    Mr. Abbasi is again off the mark with regard to his assessment of talent in Pakistan. He says there is a lot of un harnessed talent in Pakistan. This is not true and is borne by the fact we have not produced top quality players in the last 20 years. Lets face it Pakistan does not have, I repeat it does not have talent. It needs to go build one and to do that it needs to make some fundamental changes in its playing conditions. First of all, it sshould get rid of all cemented pitches from school cricket. If we cannot afford to play on natural surfaces, use matting wickets to allow the ball to move and turn. Our basic problem is that the cricket is played on cemented surfaces at school level, where most of the habits of playing cricket are formed. I can see two glaring problems with Pakistani batsmen. They are not good back foot players and they play half forward shots, without going to the pitch of the deliveries. Both these techniques are applied on cemented pitches.

  • amirali on March 24, 2007, 7:45 GMT

    for me beareds and stuff is a non issue u keep beards or have long hair it does not matter even rudi koertzen the umpire sported a beaared sometime back. its the mentallity that goes behind it. when mohd. yousuf's first priority while on a CRCIKET tour is to propogate islam it just pisses me off. and ofcourse dont forget mushataq ahmed the cheerleader withour pompoms opps our asst coach who demands the match be stoped for namaza break no matter at whatever satge the match is. the problem of increasing fundamentalism and pro religious approch is getting on the nerves of many. naseem ashraf tried to remove it but in vain. as for bob's acedmy i think its a good thought stop giving shit money to our players when they win against india n invest in something gud. and yeah i totally agree wid khansahab just hope Inzi & Co had nothing to do with it and plz people get a life stop critisizing kamran bhai n start appreciating wat bob did for this nation's ccricekt. and yeah the ex-players our som calleed heros. please respect the dead atlest for god's sake and javed miandad has lost all respect after the comments he gave on and before bob's death he is sick

  • Calgary Highlander on March 24, 2007, 7:42 GMT

    Javed Khan, your comments on religeon in cricket were insghtful but, having a coach from within our country would be terrible. Making Javed Miandad coach would be like stopping trade with China.It would be supid. And we all know that after what happened to Bob, noone wants to coach pakistan. As much as i hate to say it, i think Ramiz Raja was right. Pakistan will have to be THE FIRST team to play without a coach. This plan may also be screwed up but atleast it's one we haven't tried before. Oh n' btw, i could care less about what former players think about the game.

    And why shouldn't we name an academy after woolmer. South Africa did, and it'd look pretty pathetic if we didn't. I mean, he was our coach when he died.

    One more thing. There is no need to ridicule Inzi anymore. People will you all just stop. It's absolutley retarted at how much you hate the man. He may not have been a fantastic captain but I'd like to see YK do a much better job, which ofcourse he won't be able to do. (Champions Trophy Anybody?)

  • Ganesh on March 24, 2007, 7:10 GMT

    the WONDERFUL woolmer who sacrificed in the line of fire... chappel shouldn't mind doing that for a billion ppl

  • Aamir Aleem on March 24, 2007, 7:05 GMT

    Kamran, I think you need to write a blog on the horrific repurcussions on what has happened here. Not only have we lost a human life, the life of our beloved coach Bob Woolmer, but also our team is in tatters. Look at the way the investigation is going. It scares the living hell out of me. The Police are openly saying Bob was murdered by someone he knew. They are saying that he died early in the morning, they are saying he was comfortable with having the person or people in his room, while he was in the bathroom. That all means that the unfortunate and horrific likelihood of a Pakistani team player or players having been involved is more and more likely. Bob would not let someone he doesent know into his room, while he's in the bathroom, secondly no one can enter that floor without using the elevator and having a swipe card to open the door leading to the hallway, all of this is pointing towards Pakistani players being involved. It fills me with horror. If that is found to be the case, the culprits should be hanged, and the Pakistani team should be kicked out of cricket for a year at the very least to clean its own house. But we will never recover if this investigation ends up the way I think it will, which is with the implication of match fixers and the murder being committed by a Pakistani player. God help us.

  • Shiv Shankar Menon on March 24, 2007, 6:50 GMT

    Wonderful idea, do u suggest we in India build a similar thing for that no-good Chappell. He has brought nothing but dismay for a billion ppl, I can't imagine any other single person doing damage to so many ppl at the same time... And that tendulkar needs to take a cue from the GREAT inzi and retire...

  • Faridoon on March 24, 2007, 6:48 GMT

    Things definitely keep getting worse. One can only pray that the course of the investigation veers away from pcb board and players. The last seven months have been unbelievable for us. THANK GOD shoaib akhtar was not in jamaica, he would have been a prime suspec undoubtedly.

    Naming institutions and academies after the man is all weel and good to honour him. But is it truly honoring the man. Truly honoring him would be to implement the professionalism that he taught, to adopt his dedication and love of teh sport, to working as hard as he did to understand every little facet of the game and fine tuning it scientifically. Can we carry on his legacy?

  • Bhagwandas on March 24, 2007, 6:45 GMT

    Kami, teray ko tell karta hoon, this Paki team had great potential, they were united and even after the fall out staying united, they've stood to take the blame and I'd certainly like India to do that...

  • sameer desai on March 24, 2007, 6:10 GMT

    I am puzzled by the comments of a Zaheer who it seems has misunderstood the issue and lambasts the Indian press for so called biased coverage of the Woolmer tragedy.Zaheer must know that all the Indian news channels are showing is usually from Geo TV which is a Pakistani television channel.Also various correspondents,chiefs of bureau and the editor of Geo TV have spoken copiously on these channels,often contradicting what the press manager of the Pakistani team is saying in Jamaica.And various ex-cricketers from Pakistan are speaking on various channels in India and it was a Pakistani ex-cricketer who first said on Indian tv that Woolmers death was related to match fixing and some Pakistani players were involved in it.So its pointless to blame the Indian media for what your media and ex-players are saying on our channels.And why should any Pakistani cricket lover 'care' that Dhoni's house was 'molested'?. The issue here affects all sub-continental teams ,not just Pakistan.So let the authorities get to the bottom of this tragedy before we choose to go to war over it.And also,if the speculation in the Indian media is troubling you quite so much,you could ask your ex-players and journalists not to come on Indian television and blame x,y and z (all Pakistani players)for Bob's death.

  • Nasser on March 24, 2007, 6:07 GMT

    The news keeps getting worse for Pakistan cricket. The loss to Ireland now seems trivial compared to what we might be facing i.e. a murder of the team's coach with suggestions by several people that it is linked to match fixing. Therein lies the implication that one or more Pakistani players are directly, or indirectly, involved in the crime.

    The prospect of such a scenario is so scary that I shudder as I think through the implications. So I am not going to go there now. I am just going to sit back and watch the news and brace myself for the worst possible outcome. Given the downhill spiral of the last 7-8 months, I wonder when Pakistan cricket will hit bottom.

  • Ahmed Qaisar on March 24, 2007, 5:52 GMT

    A professional institute in one of the leading universities dedicated to Bob would be a great idea. And i also hope that they dont just build another academy which fill someones pockets rather than benefit cricket and Bob's memory.

  • tariq on March 24, 2007, 5:47 GMT

    hope v r not suggesting to built mausoleums for every one who render services to pakistan cricket.

  • tariq on March 24, 2007, 5:35 GMT

    at this point in time after bob's death every one appears to be showering flowers and sweet tongues anecdotes about bob's passion and love for the game. let be honest to the core that the kind of talent we have we don't need a coach specially the foreign one for very obvious reasons after the change in the world post 9/11 era. ever since he was appointed the coach of pakistan cricket team there has been a never ending debate on merits and demerits on his appointment. so much for the people at the helm of the affairs that even after humiliating defeat at the hands of ireland nasim was talking to extend the coaching assignment beyond the world cup.the inevitable has to happen and it has happened though under very unfortunate circumstances. let see where does pakistan cricket goes from here.

  • Farhan RE:EXPOSE PAK CRICKET on March 24, 2007, 5:25 GMT

    I was lazy and not thinking to write any comment on this article but after painfully reading EXPOSE PAK CRICKET'S comment I couldn’t resist. EXPOSE PAK CRICKET'S at least use some thing called critical thinking, once in a while. Your whole argument started with the fact that "you think" or " you believe" and upon that you not only started cursing but also started making decisions that ICC should Ban Pakistan because of " you" are sure there was money involved Please use CAPS lock so that it is easier for other to read also some one said that Miandad is SOB coz he could not hide his smile, I feel pity for mindless drones like you, we have a short term memory and we love to disgrace our Heroes, that’s probably one of the reason we don’t have any!!

  • Ashaq on March 24, 2007, 5:12 GMT

    Sir Javed.A.Khan of Montreal. MY dear and respected Bhai. The Brown Sahibs I was refering to are the ones in the P.c.b, and also the sports journalists like the one whose article you so proudly posted.

    You state."And Btw what is a half brown sahib or a half mullah doing in manchester? Playing cricketor tableeghing around? You can come out of that cake hole and go meaow a little loudly?

    First of all I have only visted manchester once in my life,and that was to drop somebody of at the Airport. I dont have any friend ,relatives or acquaintances in manchester. Perhaps KhanSahab can help you out I think he stated that he was from Manchester.

    AS for the rest of your comments my Brother I am disappointed. I was expecting some exceptional disses from an Intellectual giant such as yourself.

    Hell this should be a mismatch afterall we are on your turf.we are not competing under the QueensBury rules exactly are we. Me it is You who should be going meaow. By the way you still have not clarified who this "Man from Gotham is".

    Anyway joking aside I just like to congratulate you for the post that you wrote explaining the differences between Islam and Terrorism. Integration and segregation. To someone seemed to be confused about the difference.

    I would just like to add that although I more often than not disagree with what you say. I do enjoy reading your posts.I also enjoy annoying you as well.

  • Fahad on March 24, 2007, 5:08 GMT

    There's more to it. Woolmer's murder that took a little while to finally be confirmed is not what it looks like to be. Pakistan lost. Coach was killed. A crazy player? or an angry fan?? I don't think so. I consider myself to be a bit crazy when it comes to cricket. I myself hated the same people held responsible for the loss. But if a crazy and an angry person had killed, a gun or atleast a knife would have been used. strangling bob? more than likely would have taken multiple killers. What does this all then lead up to? A well planned murder. next comes the question - who and why? even though there's a difference in opinion amd witness, in cases where witness isn't found, opinions that make the most sense are half the witness. Rashid latif, known for openly fighting with the corruption in cricket in the past, nonetheless, thinks bob had something to tell, and someone had to stop him. stop him they did.

  • Asif (Seattle) on March 24, 2007, 4:58 GMT

    Mr. Kamran –

    You are the biggest hypocrite, but you being one of the Indian- Subcontinent media people - It doesn’t surprise me.

    Last Sunday morning (US Saturday night) you posted an article on your blog – Asking for Inzi’s and Bob’s head. You yourself criticized his polices and team attitude. Now after his death, you are calling him a legend and great coach. STOP this BS (stop trashing a good team and great coach).

    He was one of the best coach in Pakistan, he brought the team together, wasn’t afraid to kick-out pre-Madonna’s like Shoaib out of the team, improved Pakistan fielding and bowling (this is the same bowling who use to give up avg 20 extras in ODI’s). The reason for loss in WC2007 was bad lucks and failed Pakistan batting.

    People like you are the reason, why most Indian Sub-Continent public gets so idiotic for loosing a game of Cricket! Keep in mind these players are young kids, understanding and support from public will do a lot good for their morale. Win and Loss is part of the game!

    As far as bringing back Javed Minadad as a coach is concerned, that will be a huge mistake, same as giving captaincy to Aamir Shoail and Waqar Younis.

    Javid Minadad was the great batsman but he is a lousy coach and disappointing human being, especially being for his insensitive comments about Bob.

    I would suggest, making Majid Khan a CEO and leaving the team as-is with Younis as a captain and keeping Iniz as a batsman, so he can influence other young batsman. As far as coach is concern – Good Luck attracting any foreign coach to Pakistan –

    No one in their right mind want to coach Pakistan to put up with some of these idiots (Idiotic fans, who like to burn players house, b/c they loose a game of cricket and media people – who most doesn’t know ABC for cricket and/or management)

  • khurram on March 24, 2007, 4:56 GMT

    Hi Kamran You have performed a beautiful somersault. If i remember correctly, the day after the Ireland loss, you were after the head of Bob and suddenly now we are talking about an institute. If some thing happens to Inzi tomorrow, i am sure there will be talk of a Mazaar in Multan with branches of the same in all major cricket stadiums of Pakistan.

    Seems like you are avoiding the main issue which started it all i.e. Match fixing. I dont think many people have noticed that we still have a certain Mushtaq Ahmed as one of our coach. If i remember correctly, Mushtaq has had a tainted past and he had been barred by Justice Qayyum to not hold any post related to Pakistan cricket.

    Death of Bob was sad indeed but it has again highlighted the issue that matchfixing is still very much rampant in cricket despite efforts of ICC to curb it. I won't be surprised if the next breaking news will be that it was a Bookie with connection to Pakistani players involved in this murder.

  • Mabsoos Ahmad on March 24, 2007, 4:51 GMT

    Dear All,

    Kamran Sb's articles are always heart touching, but this time it is too early to honour BOB. It is a very critical and testing time in the world cricket. It is time to investigate who has murdered the beloved coach BOB. It is time to bring justice. Where is ICC?? Why the World Cup is being played? Had any coaches or members of the player murdered in the sub continent, there would not have been world cup. Remember, some of the playing country did not play WC in Sri Lanka and had rufused to play in Pakistan due to security reason. Kamran sb. I think, through your brilliance journalism it is time to expose the distinction. Our Coach has been murdered in such a way that we have no words to express the situation. What kind of security is there?? You better understand I mean to say. BOB was not only a coach but such a wonderful man and a great ambassador of cricket. Life goes on and we can honour him as and when require and there is no denying fact that which ever honour you give him is less. Remember we should respect a person in his life not after the death. Let us join hand and support BOB's family at this critical juncture. Frankly speaking, ICC is a bunch of joker who fails to provide necessary security of a high profile coach. Where is anti corruption unit of ICC?? I have been viewing news that the bookies are still approching cricketers. It is high time to clean the gentleman's game from the unwanted bookies. Ideally, we are loosing faith in cricket. We dovote our precious time, watch the cricket and when the results come, it is said that the matches have been fixed. ICC should come forward with strongly and put and end to this habit. It is not accepted in a civilized society and there should be a heavy punishment like hang till death if the nexus is proved. I am in favour of Mr. Allan Donald who said, this WC should be called off and this would be the best tribute to the departed soul - BOB. May his soul rest in peace. My eyes are full of tears and I am becoming more and more emotional while writing on this blog like Inzi. God bless you all ! Any comments please contact - mabsoos@yahoo.com

  • S.N. Kazi on March 24, 2007, 4:49 GMT

    In 1992 when the Pakistan cricket team won the World Cup not a single member of that team sported a beard . Since then , the number of bearded players has been rising each year and the majority of the members of the Pakistan team for the prsent World Cup have beards . For the first time the Chairman Mr. Naseem Ashraf appointed by the Patron in Chief of the Pakistan cricket , General Musharraf has a beard . The last straw that broke the camel's back ?

    Enlightened moderation indeed . It is a pity our President doesn't walk his talk .

    No wonder Pakistan cricket has sunk to its lowest

    level ever .

    Lastly , Mr. Kamran Abbasi , I total agree with your suggestion .

  • Sridhar on March 24, 2007, 3:53 GMT

    Let me tell you Mr. Kamran, Pakistan (India included) does not need a Sports Science Institute. Both countries need a Sports Discipline Institute where courses on honesty, integrity, and sporting spirit would be taught. Selectors and team management will need to attend these courses as well. The team is good at Science. Look where Math got the team. They seem to have played their odds well. In the process they played with the emotions of more than a billion people whose hopes were pinned on their respective teams. In these countries filled with corruption, they naively assumed that these eleven men were honest heroes who turned out to be zeroes.

    Ranting apart my sincere condolences to Bob Woolmer's family. I neither have the knowledge nor status to write an eulogy here. But he will be missed. May his soul rest in peace.

  • Arslan on March 24, 2007, 3:27 GMT

    Mr. Kamran, sorry to say but i completely DISAGREE with u. U want to build an institute only because Woolmer is now dead. If he had been alive i m sure you n everyone will be criticising him for the Pakistan exit from the WC. Now that he is dead everyone has forgotten that he was also one of the main reason for Pakistan exit from WC. There are so many better cricketers n legends in Pakistan. Why cant we built an Institute in their name. Perhaps because they are not dead. Rest In Peace BOB.

  • Wasiq on March 24, 2007, 3:19 GMT

    Mr Woolmer always treated the game as a game only and was man enough to move on from worst of defeats. Maybe the best way to honor him would be to listen to his message and enjoy the game for it's worth regardless of the outcome.

    I am simply heartbroken and depressed about his murder and I hope the culprit(s) are brought to justice so his grieving family can find closure.

    Rest in Peace Coach! You will never be forgotten.

  • raj on March 24, 2007, 3:07 GMT

    Will any non-Pakistani ever want to coach Pakistan in the near future? Generally speaking, foreigners who take on the job of coaching India and Pakistan should first think whether the money they are paid is worth it. The cultural gap -- even in this day and age, when the internet provides a wealth of info on many topics -- is simply too huge to bridge. Does that mean that a "desi" coach -- a Miandad or a Kapil Dev would not be in danger in the way that Woolmer was? I don't know.

  • fj on March 24, 2007, 2:43 GMT

    Woolmer sports institute? I dont think so.

    He made decent contributions to pak cricket, but when there are living legends like Javed Miandad, Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis who are willing to help and train the team but get no respect from the PCB (and who now give advice to foreign cricketers are a result), we know there's something wrong.

  • Hamad Khawaja on March 24, 2007, 1:42 GMT

    I think that the people who were not there are as much responsible for our defeat as those who were playing. I think Pakistan as a nation should take more honorable approach towards the entire thing. Shoaib Akhtar and and Mohammad Asif should never again be allowed to set foot on the cricket ground. We have reached this abysmal state of affairs because we allowed people who were involved in wrong doing to represent our country for our own selfish reasons and we sidelined people who deserved to play due to all the ongoing politics within PCBA. Its time for us to finally accept our faults and learn from them. Maybe it will be better for the future of cricket in Pakistan if we start training new people and let go of the so called "STARS" who cannot be there when we need them cause they were high on something. After all Pakistan is a country full of talent!!!

  • Tanveer Butt on March 24, 2007, 1:38 GMT

    Well, if there is MAFIA involve in the death of Bob then Pakistani player should be really Careful because anyone be the next on the list. Personally i don't think of this as a murder case.

  • Iqbal on March 24, 2007, 1:33 GMT

    One thing I dont understand that why Pakistan is not asking question to ICC or World Cup Organizer about the Bob Woolmer death. We lost our coach and we treated like we are the suspect. It is irony for Pakisan that they dont have strong voice, imagine that if this would have happend in Pakistan to someone else coach I can bet all my money that all of the teams whould have left the worldcup. Mr. Speed has to answer some tough question about the Woolmer death and why someone pass the security (if there is any). My condolence to Woolmer and his family, it was a great loss to Cricket.

  • MSR (BOSTON, MA) on March 24, 2007, 1:21 GMT

    Naming Institutions for Bob, …………………… making new Institutions dedicated to Bob, ……………changing the name of the existing cricket field with Bob’s name, ……………..honoring a dead man with highest civilian award, ……………all these are good effort and should be encouraged!……….But educating fans and reminding them that cricket is just a game………some day your team win, some day you team loose…………….accept it and enjoy it!…………….If we can use the high emotion, sympathy and momentum to educate our fans………that might be the best tribute to a gentleman who loved this game………….and sacrificed for this game of Cricket! …………………………………….I think we have nice tendency to neglect the talents when they are around, and have the habit of glorifying them when it might not be anymore matter to them!

  • jadogar-spin on March 24, 2007, 1:01 GMT

    The police haven't yet determined it was a murder yet, so will all the Inspector Clouseau's out there please hold their horses till they do?

  • SAL on March 24, 2007, 0:36 GMT

    I cannot belive that bob woolmer was murdered , i firmly believe that his death for whatever reasons has been falsely being posed as murder. the reasons behind it are very clear, to sully pakistan already sullied name. Its a pitty that pakistan coach has died and they are testing DNA , fingerprinting the pakistani team. There will be very few coaches in the world that have that good a control over their teams and such a great influence. It is a typical western mentality based on selfishness. ICC has most to gain on this issue and their butt has been kicked quite a few times recently by Subcontinent nations and they can seen the axis of power moving over from the west to the east and one can easily see malcolm speed capatizing on the idiotic mistakes of the stupid pakistani officials and uneducated pak players. We have to be professional as a nation and as individuals if we want to be remembered not as holligans.

    Idiots like sarfraz nawaz belong in Jail for all the BS that they do - frustrated ppl who have been worthless to pakistan and have always been a "shoaib Akthar" of the past- who can forget the time when during a test match series when he was the vice captain , he flew over to england saying that he will not play since he needs a pay raise - is this what is professionalism - shame on him.

    sal

  • Faisal on March 24, 2007, 0:31 GMT

    I am absolutely shocked at the news that Bob Woolmer was murdered. And as if that shock was not enough news stories are appearing all over the media that do not directly implicate the Pakistani team rather just hint at it and leave the rest to the readers imagination.

    This world cup has been a disaster. The organizers of this tournament have failed spectacularly and the murder of Bob Woolmer clearly goes on to show the lax security provided to these VIPs arriving in their country from all over the world. The Jamaica police which had been so inefficient in providing the security is now appealing to the people who have committed the murder to come forward and hand themselves in, this is absolutely laughable. And since the Jamaican police do not have any clue as to who did it, they are targeting the Pakistani cricket team members, fingerprinting them, taking their DNA samples, interrogating them and issuing statements that they will not be allowed to leave.

    West Indies does not deserve to host the tournament as whatever has happened until now has shown nothing other than their ineptitude. If not all, some responsibility does lie with the organizers of this tournament as to what has happened to Bob Woolmer. Hosting a successful world cup does not mean you just build new stadiums. There are several important factors to it and security is one of the most important one, which the organizers of this tournament seemed to have overlooked.

    Nothing has ever disgraced this game more than what has happened in the last five days. It is absolutely disgraceful and the ICC and world cup organizers are partly responsible for it. The organizers for not providing enough security and ICC for not ensuring that there was enough security for the participants.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on March 24, 2007, 0:27 GMT

    THIS IS A JOKE that Kamran Abbassi is using his blog to suss-out the views of readers on this blog and chose only those posts which are in his favour and censor the rest. And these are the views of our wise man Mr. Euceph Ahmad who says: "It is (again) quite obvious that your article is written to draw approval from your audience - something which you've grown so accustomed to enjoy that you ruthlessly censor any dissenting posts." Mr. Ahmad you are wrong again.

    I have disagreed with Kamran Abbassi's views many times and even on this thread I have expressed my disagreement and my posts have never been censored. In the past some people have used profanity and abused Kamran personally, still those posts were not censored. What makes you think he censors any dissenting posts? That is why I say, this is the best and the most read blog that I have come across and Kamran deserves the credit for being so liberal and open minded.

  • amli on March 24, 2007, 0:24 GMT

    Does any body know that this MR clean " Sarfarz Nawaz" is a characterless person. His wife actress Rani was terminally ill in a private hospital and while she died in ICU this man came in and asked the nurses to give her some time alone with her dead body, they did allowed that and left , one of the nurses who didnot know about that mistakenly eneterd the room and found that HE WAS GETTING THUMB IMPRESSIONS OF HER DEAD WIFE RANI ON PROPERTY PAPERS TO GET IT TRANSFRERED ON HIS NAME. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT OF THIS CREATURE.

    AMLI

  • Usman on March 24, 2007, 0:11 GMT

    Will the Pakistan government allow the suspects to be extradited and put on trial in Jamaica? (If indeed Pakistani nationals are accused of this murder).

    Or will they claim that the real killers are Indian bookmakers and the Pakistani suspects were framed?

  • Ahmad Jilani on March 23, 2007, 23:53 GMT

    wow. mr. abbasi your subtle racism truly amazes me. first it was the bearded men talking in a middle eastern language and now they are backstabbing murderers too. no man is guilty until proven so and your insinuation is way out of line. what is even more amazing is the fact that teams dont want to come to pakistan to play for security reasons, and yet it is our coach that died in a foreign country. great job on the security by WICB. this world cup needs to be stopped and someone needs to looks at if the personnel from other teams are safe in the West Indies (incidentally WI is the team that refused to go to Sri Lanka in 1996 on security grounds). if i come off as bitter, im sorr but i havent been able to get over the fact the woolmer has left us.

  • khansahab on March 23, 2007, 23:34 GMT

    Once again I would request people on this blog not to be aggressive towards Mr Abbasi as he is entitled on his opinions, just like we all are.

    I am not sure, frankly, whether naming an institute after Woolmer’s death would be an appropriate gesture. Woolmer’s family have been overwhelmed with the response of the Pakistani fans and he has been bestowed with the highest civil award in Pakistan. Yes, if the move would ameliorate long-term development of Pakistan cricket, then it is welcome.

    I think most people are getting confused, regrettably. The matter just can’t be limited to whether Woolmer “was a good coach or not.” The right question is, was Woolmer an apt coach to coach a team like Pakistan? To work in tandem with someone like Inzi? I have always maintained that Bob was the right man in the wrong place. You can’t have someone so learned and talented in an atmosphere where logic, reasonableness and maturity take a backseat and bias and politics prevail. The players don’t understand English. The players who come up the system are the ones with sources and only half as talented as players who do not benefit from those privileges. PCB is a nothing organisation; PCB works exactly like Pakistani government; there is no security, there is discrimination, no certainty, negligible funds, the majority of which are spent on unproductive measures. Hence, Bob was severely limited in what he could do.

    On paper Bob’s record is not impressive. Yet again I stress that this was expected with a captain like Inzi and an organisation like PCB. Pakistan didn’t win many overseas series and as always, did poorly against Australia and South Africa. So I wouldn’t say Bob’s presence benefitted the team enormously.

    I do not want to go into the match-fixing arguments for fear of making potentially libellous comments. All I’m going to say is that, the whole episode is depressing for Pakistan cricket. I just hope Inzi & Co had nothing to do with it. Imagine the ignominy of if they did! It would be catastrophic for Pakistan and Muslims.

    Mr Javed A Khan from Montreal, Canada, again you have written well and I agree with much of what you predicate. I am with you in your crusade against Pay&Do-ism and “beards in cricket.” :)

  • Sunil, uk on March 23, 2007, 23:07 GMT

    Great sentiments, but we are only worthy is we honour a man whilst he is alive. All this about posthumous awards and institutes does nothing for a man after he is dead. Sounds cold, but it is fact. RIP Mr Woolmer. I hope that Pak cricket gets back on its feet soon.

  • John Doe on March 23, 2007, 22:55 GMT

    Did you read the report that the coach and the captain were against a suggestion from the Chief to move Shoaib Malik up the order and bring Younus down the order, that's exactly what the order turned out once the coach was dead in the game against Zimbabwe (after the Chief spoke with the team on the phone). But the Chief's suggestion was not accepted in the Ireland game while the coach was alive.

    Imagine the money you stand to make in a bet that defies a predictable batting order - a batting order promotion that has not happened in 8 months. And then you look like a fool if the batting order turns out against your bets only because some coach wouldn't "listen to reason."

    Let's remember: The coach opened the door for someone he knew - and did not expect to struggle against. Someone important and familiar enough that the coach felt comfortable opening the door late in the evening. And someone with a quick enough business that could not wait till the next morning.

  • sayed hasan on March 23, 2007, 22:51 GMT

    Now you are reaaaaaly going overboard. We don't need any Bob Woolmer Institute, just to catch the perpetrators and hang them (no matter what their identity).

  • Fahad Hafeez on March 23, 2007, 22:50 GMT

    i agree wid ur thoughts...pakistan needs such an institution...and find new talent..not that it isnt der..its just that it needs to be luked for...properly. Also that we cud expect more innovative up-bringing of the future/current players.

  • Ali Akram on March 23, 2007, 22:44 GMT

    I Agree to your suggestions. Bob Woolmer was an institute, legend of the game and a master coach. His murder has left me and i ams ure everyone else shocked...may his soul rest in peace. Woolmer Academy is a MUST. He gave his life while being the coach of pakistan and we should honor him in all possible ways. Indeed we have lost a great friend of the game. regards Ali

  • Zeeshan Khamisani on March 23, 2007, 22:44 GMT

    I completely agree with the idea of having a Sports Sciences Institute names after Bob Wolmer. First and foremost, it will move towards the accomplishment of what so many have tried to do, and all of us now hope for. Cultivation and refinement of the raw talent at a domestic level. Secondly, it will show that our nation is indebted to the services of Bob, and that we will remember the man who gave his best to our national team and ultimately lost his life in the process.

  • Hussain R on March 23, 2007, 22:42 GMT

    Our thoughts go out to Bobs family, its just an absolutely horrific scenario for cricket in general. Make Ramiz Raja coach of pakistan hes the only opinion i can trust these days!

  • Zohair on March 23, 2007, 22:38 GMT

    Bob you were an amazing man. You came as a foreigner but won our hearts. You are a Pakistani Bob for the better or for the worst. Bob you truly deserve an entire univeristy dedicated to sports science named after you and that too won't be enough. Rest in peace Bob and I hope that your ultimate sacrifice doesn't go to waste and cricket gets its soul back.

  • Asad Faizi on March 23, 2007, 22:21 GMT

    Bob Woolmer was indeed a great cricket coach and even a greater man. His passion and dedication to make Pakistan cricket team the best in the world, and his love for Pakistan cricket team was unquestionable. I once saw the popular TV show, "Aik Din Geo Kay Sath" - where they spent a whole day with Bob and captured his life on camera. I would never forget Bob saying that Pakistani cricket team is his family and the boys are like his sons. No wonder why Inzi, Younus, Yousuf, Kamran, Malik and the rest of the boys wept openly on the demise of their loving 'father'.

    A lot of people don't realize that Bob's greatest contribution to Pakistan cricket is that he changed the whole culture around cricket coaching and team management - and culture has supremacy over strategy, because no strategy, no matter how good, can bring about changes without the power and support of culture behind it.

    Pakistani team today is lot more professional and cohesive than ever in the history of Pakistan - thanks to Bob.

    I totally agree with President Musharraf that Pakistan cricket will ever be indebted to Bob Woolmer.

    We will always love you and miss you Bob - Rest In Peace.

    Asad Faizi

  • nabil on March 23, 2007, 22:19 GMT

    nice idea Kamran but unless the petty politics of Pakistani cricket doesn't leave us quickly, we could be left waiting 10 maybe 15 years before we see any progress in this matter and by that time it would be all but pointless to carry on with this since most people would have forgotten about it

  • Ash Habib on March 23, 2007, 22:17 GMT

    Totally agree, but also this will be an important gesture from Pakistan as I'm sure many people will be a little annoyed with the way they have handled themselves these last six months.

  • Amir Hussain on March 23, 2007, 22:14 GMT

    What a great Idea.Kamran Sahib this what pakistan actually needs,educated cricketers.And by educated I do not mean people with some sort of degree , which can be bought off the streets of Karachi or Lahore. Pakistan really needs their cricketers and people who run cricket matters to be be thoroughly professional.We have a team whose talent is exceptional,but they don't have even the basic knowledge to communicate.Forget talking in english ,they can't even communicate in Urdu properly..Just ask ourselves which cricketer will be the next english commentator after they retire from the game? I think Pakistan should make it mandatory for cricketers to be able to speak proper english.Players from the under 15 teams should be monitored in the academics and people who flunk their grades should not be allowed to play..And we need to continue this trend all the way to the Pakistan team.Sure no one's going to agree to this but these are the steps that we as a nation should take.We should strife to have people with professional qualification to be able to to play professional sport,then only will we be able to sustain our presence in the world of sport because no matter what people say about the uselessness of computer's in cicket their is no denying thier benefits. Take e.g of teams around the world. It can only be a Pakistani who thinks that in this modern age of science and technolgy we can rule the world the old fashiond way that is be sheer talent. I think that now is the time to enforce these things so the next generation of crickters from this great cricketing nation will be the professionals that we would like them to be.

  • Jamie Dowling on March 23, 2007, 22:07 GMT

    An excellent suggestion, Kamran. The events of the last few days have left me (and, I hope so many others) stunned, sickened and confused. There is much to discuss about the future of cricket itself, not just in Pakistan or India (now they're almost certainly out of the tournament). Some very serious self examination is needed and action taken, not just talked about interminably.

  • Robert on March 23, 2007, 22:04 GMT

    Well India have just lost... I hope Chapel has body guards. I would hope that he joins the rank of Bob Woolmer.

    Jokes aside. Is any body truly safe? I mean really, who will be able to overcome this?

  • Beg on March 23, 2007, 22:00 GMT

    I think honoring Bob woolmer's legacy is the best thing to do in these trying circumstances and teh Presidential award is a right step in the right direction. I propose renaming one of the International Cricket stadiums after Bob to honor his legacy. After all, 'Bob Woolmer stadium' sounds much better than 'Gaddafi statdium'!!

  • Gollumbird on March 23, 2007, 21:48 GMT

    I couldn't agree with you more on the dignity and class that is shown by the Woolmer family. Best wishes to them for quick recovery from this tragedy.

  • Aditya on March 23, 2007, 21:48 GMT

    Well, now India got knocked out of the World Cup too, so you are not alone. Its sad that our generation of Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly and Kumble will retire without a World Cup to their name. At least in your team Inzamam was part of a World Cup winning team. But in any case, the World Cup looks dispassionate without India and Pakistan. Maybe we will get to watch some heroics from Brian Lara. I certainly hope the West Indies win

  • Raz on March 23, 2007, 21:46 GMT

    It is too early to make an institute in the name of Woolmer. I would suggest, lets find his killers first. If the killers turnout to be Pakistani fans, then we need a proper investigation as to who should get prosecuted. I think as reporters, ex-players and so called experts played a major role in inciting Pakistani public, they should get the blame and punishment. I can't wait to see some sort of court case against those who write open letters to encourage the fans to act irrationally or those players who couldn't find anything good in what Woolmer did

  • just_a_thought on March 23, 2007, 21:36 GMT

    Not too sure whether this is the right moment to air my views, but a strange thought. Bob Woolmer was the coach of South Africa when Hansie Cronje was involved in match fixing and now..!!!!

    Worth Pondering??!!

  • Taimur Huk on March 23, 2007, 21:32 GMT

    yes definitely, there should be a bob woolmer type of institute. he was a great man and coach, and a cricketing genius as well. we need to learn from him and follow his methods of analyzing cricket. but i think pakistan needs to invest money in other sports, because i think the only sport the majority follow in pakistan is cricket and that puts pressure on the players, and i think that may have been one of the reasons pakistan failed in the WC. by diverting attention to other sports, our cricket players will feel more relaxed and pressure-free.

  • Muhammad Asif on March 23, 2007, 21:23 GMT

    Another institute.........another pandorabox.Grow up dude. Its time to sit down & have a glass of lassi. Just Chill.........we will redo the things in the same fashion. I have said earlier that its how we are.......Please stop critisizing & statr apperciating if you really wana some change......

  • anonymous on March 23, 2007, 21:18 GMT

    man please... i think you also need to take a break and reflect on your life... instead of churning out new pieces on your blog and contradicting yourself again and again... Pakistan has lost the world cup get over it, and do not shower "false" praise on bob after directing such a "shameful" open letter to him.

  • Sam on March 23, 2007, 20:59 GMT

    Dear Kamran,

    Pls post this topic as separate article. I Just have a question regarding Imran Khan's statement for India and Greg Chappel, stating that Greg chappel is best in Market & India is second favourite in WC! and also stating BOB and INZI are worse in WC. ( STATED in NDTV Talk show)

    now my question is , Does this guy knows anything about cricket? I admired him as player but after his statements in INDIA against INZI and BOB before world cup made me against him. Well INDIA is out 2 IMRAN.

    I will really admire if you will post this article or something related to theme.

    Because i am too upset with death of BOB and everyone is saying now that he was a gr8 chap in Pakistan and before he was a bad guy!

    God Bless you BOB

  • Peter on March 23, 2007, 20:48 GMT

    Why do Pakistan fans burn effigies of Woolmer, and chant "Death to Woolmer",after losing a game, and then are upset when he dies?

  • Vincent Jones on March 23, 2007, 20:33 GMT

    I agree, the nature of Bob's death is sad and awful. I believe that he really wanted to make the Pakistani team the best in the world. They of course have the player base and talent to achieve this. The best way for Bob's legacy to continue is to build an institute in honour of him. He never quite achieved the results with the Pakistani team, although they were awesome on England's last tour there, with Shoaib firing on all cylinders, I think the biggest problem with cricket in Pakistan is pressure and a lack of organisation. Hopefully the PCB will allow Bob's legacy to live on by building a institute after him and nuturing young talent. RIP Bob, I just hope the killer(s) are brought to justice.

  • Umair on March 23, 2007, 20:23 GMT

    for the first time ... in a very long time I wholeheartedly agree with everything you have said.

  • ade on March 23, 2007, 20:21 GMT

    Another institute to be created and run by dimwits and run to the ground much like PCBA. There should be an overhauling of the entire organization, "Spring Cleaning" even and the old socks needs to be thrown out.

  • Concerned Paki on March 23, 2007, 20:18 GMT

    One man who could have had a motive to murder Bob - and I still can't believe he's dead :( - is back in Pakistan, fiegning injury and serving a drug ban. I don't think it can be anyone else we publicly know.

    I might be wrong.

  • uzair rasheed on March 23, 2007, 20:04 GMT

    Well..your suggestions make alot of sense but in order to plan anything like this (as u suggested), PCB needs to have a sensible chairman (or a chairman at least). Regarding pakistan cricket, i must say this that we have hit the rock bottom and we can only move up from here. i havent lost hope in pakistan cricket yet!!

  • Nids on March 23, 2007, 20:00 GMT

    As a huge follower of Pakistan cricket My heart goes out to Bob and his family, it's beyond tragic what happened, and it wasn't fair on them, but in all honesty,it seems as if Pakistan is trying too hard to rectify its mistakes. Bob was an amazing man, and i have no doubt that he did Pakistan a great service He was a father figure, but essentially he did what many before him have, he coached the Pakistan team. The only difference being he was murdered and those aren't grounds for the highest civilian award in Pakistan. Secondly, i feel that if his death was due to someone in the PAKISTAN team, board, or even a fan\bookie, that the ICC should ban Pakistan from playing cricket indefinably. If a Pakistani as supporters\ bookies\ board member\ team member took a life in the name of a game, then honestly speaking, we do not deserve to watch cricket. If the Pakistani public\officials are corrupt to the point that they have to kill someone for a game, then stop the game from being played. a change in mentality is desperately needed, and maybe after 10 of no cricket, the public and officials will realize that corruption isn't the way forward. If responsible, then Pakistan needs new folk and a new infrastructure. Clearly the current crop know nothing about values, no game is worth a life. It's disgusting.

  • Ahsan on March 23, 2007, 19:16 GMT

    Kamran,

    In your open letter “Shamed by the shamrock” you openly criticised Bob and earnestly tried to prove that he failed to deliver to Pakistan Cricket. Now, Bob’s tragic death, have suddenly made you realize that Pakistan needs a Woolmer sports institute to recognise Bob’s contribution to Pakistan cricket. I must say people like you used to be the harshest critic of Bob during his reign as Pakistan cricket coach. Your reasoning to blame Bob for every Pakistan defeat had always been irrational and used to typify your personal disapproval of Bob as Pakistan coach. I suggest you to take a break from Cricketing world, and should apologize for diminishing the impact of protagonists like Bob and off course one of cricket’s finest “Inzi”. It will be indeed a tremendous favour by you to whole cricket world.

  • Lionking on March 23, 2007, 19:13 GMT

    Hello everyone

    Please forward this email to as many as possible

    I urge every Indian to follow this PLEASE :-

    If this is done then India will never loose another cricket game again:-

    If India looses any match from today, please do the following:- - We Indian will ban/boycott all products for which Indian cricketers advertise - We Indian will not fill petrol or diesel in your vehicle for 3 days - We Indian will not go to any cinema to watch any movies for 3 days - We Indian will not go to any MALLS or do any shopping for 3 days

    This enough will give enough shocks to every one responsible for Indian team to play like losers.

    I sincerely hope this is followed

    If its just a Game then let the crickters be only players and not Stars on TV or any kinda of a STAR Except Sports Star

    Lionking

  • Noman 'Pugnate' Ansari on March 23, 2007, 18:51 GMT

    I felt like I knew Bob Woolmer by just watching him on TV. For the most part he seemed like a really gentle soul and my heart hurts every time I read about his tragic end.

    The fact that this is a murder is horrible, and I pray to god that it doesn't get any worse.

    The whole thing is sickening.

  • JAVED A. KHAN, MONTREAL, CANADA on March 23, 2007, 18:50 GMT

    The President of Pakistan has already announced a posthumous civil award, "Sitara-i-Imtiaz" (which is the highest civil award) for the services of Bob Woolmer, which itself is a big honour. So, there is no need for going beyond this point to the level of worshiping Bob Woolmer or giving him that "Saintly Status" by naming an institute of cricket or an academy after his name.

    I reiterate that Pakistan team members should have gone (still not to late) to meet Woolmer's family and offer their condolences. For the family of a bereaved, there is nothing more comforting than being with them at the time of distress and saying a few good words and that is a mark of respect and consolation. If the President wants to decorate that posthumous civil award to his family, he should invite them later and decorate them in person, that would be an additional honour. If they do not agree to that, then the Ambassador of Pakistan in that country, plus Inzi or a few senior officials must go there and present the award to the family, c'est ca, nothing more. Respect should be expressed in words and to a certain extent in deeds, but not by building monuments or naming institutes after them. So, Kamran I don't agree with your views on this subject.

    If this was a Pakistani coach, neither the President of Pakistan has reacted in haste nor Mr. Abbassi would have thought about this idea. Like Inzi and Imran Nazir confirmed: "We all love THE Bob and we all miss THE Bob and everyone miss THE Bob." Poor Bob is "Lost in Translation" here, but sure we will always remember Bob for a long time.

    If Pakistan needs to create a good team for 2011 World Cup, they have to choose a coach from within. Nothing against Bob Woolmer, no disrespect towards the deceased but, there should be no more foreign coaches. Just a few days ago Viv Richards has talked so highly about Javed Miandad, and tipped him as a new coach. Here is a link:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/other_international/pakistan/6475207.stm

    M Nawaz Janjua Jeddah

    Here is a retort, if a joke on Nihari for you is a "low level comment", then it is really very appalling to see that your sense of humour is very bland in fact it is non-existent. Also, it is obvious from the way you have perceived Nadeem Piracha's article (btw, he is not my friend or an acquaintance, in fact I have never heard his name before, I found that article on the Internet and posted it for those who have not read it) For me, the players can grow bushy beards or wear a "Dishdasha" and a "gatra" on their head or do "Bhangra" on the ground is not important, the only thing that struck me is, the point that Piracha made in the third last paragraph of his article: "Many also believe that it has softened the team's innovative and competitive nature that was rigorously nourished and encouraged by the likes of former captains, Imran Khan, Javed Miandad and Wasim Akram." That is so true, and I agree to that view. The results are also in front of you, if you are happy that the team is full of good Muslim Ambassadors then its your choice you can be happy in your own paradise! But, the fact remains that this tableeghi team has proved that never before in the history of Pakistan cricket that Pakistan team made such an early exit from the WC and that is due to this lack luster and laid back attitude of Inzamam - not talking about Inzamam as a batsman, but "Inzi the linzy captain".

    If you are happy to see Mohammad Yousuf leading the prayers rather than leading the team with runs, then I rest my case here. Because, we are on two different platforms, I am on the cricket train whereas, you are on the Raiwind Express heading for an Ijtemah.

    The difference between your ideology and mine is, you are biased that I am not religious, what can I say? Its your perception and your way of looking at people. And from your perspective you think that those of us living in the west have detached ourselves from the religion, culture and traditions, that is not true. Also, you being in KSA you believe that you've got a passport to paradise for being a real practicing good Muslim. You may believe like Inzi and a few others that if you bring religious studies in to the sports arena then, Allah will help you and you are good ambassadors of Islam. If that is the case, then on St. Patrick's Day, the Irish belief and their faith had won them the match? So is their religion or faith more stronger than the other? Do you agree with that or do you agree that Pakistan played badly? So, just keep the religion away from cricket. If you wish to create a team of Mullahs in KSA then go ahead, who is stopping you from doing that, eat, sleep and gym.

    LOL @ your analogy of comparing the Islamic wars with a game of cricket especially scaring me of the Dooms Day: Lemme quote Khawaja Mir Dard here which is a very apt reply for your typical Mullah like sermon: If you don't understand the verse below, ask someone to do the explanation for you.

    Wa'aez kisay dara way hai youm-ul-hisaab say? Giryaa mera tou Nama-e-Amaal dho gaya!

    To be a good Muslim one doesn't need to patent himself with a beard or try to brand himself through an outfit of outwardly appearance, in my opinion that is a very trivial approach. It has more to be from within, faith, conviction, self belief, inspiration and motivation are not visible yet so important in making your faith stronger and making things happen. Anyone can grow a beard or say a few words of deception, but that doesn't make things happen. It is so very typical of some Muslims that when it suits them, they say the whole world is Allah's (which is true) but, when it comes to define a Muslim, they restrict their words and views to the outwardly outfits and superficial appearances only.

    Finally: Ashaq, I think you are another example of kids of the same block, you've said: "People have claimed that we need to remove religion from the cricket team. I say remove the these Boarding school, Brown Sahibs first. I think these Pseudo-intellectual, native colonialist agents, should be banished for good."

    If you are directing your comments towards me, then let me clear this for you, neither I, or any of my family members or even any of relatives in any generation, have ever been to any boarding school. So, are you preaching or professing, by demanding to "banish" the so-called 'evil' and you like to replace it with the saintly 'Taleban style good will cricket ambassadors?" And btw, what is a half brown sahib or a half Mullah doing in Manchester? Playing cricket or tableeghing around? You can come out of that cake hole and say "meaow" a little more loudly! :-)

  • Mustafa Pasha on March 23, 2007, 18:28 GMT

    "It is likely too that the identity of the murderer will make the matter even more unpalatable."

    Thats quite a sensational statement to make, especially since it implies that the murderer is someone we all know. I, like fans all around the world have wandered in a haze of shock and disbelief these past few days. Pakistan's elimination was a low blow, which surely counts as our worst defeat ever. Even in death Bob did us a favour by reminding us that cricket is just a game, and our maddening obsession with it has now made it a matter of life and death. According to many people the betting syndicates may be involved, that Bob knew some dark secrets which made him a liability. This is sensationalism at its best. Though it may turn out to be that this grand conspiracy is true, there are countless scenarios which may have played out on that fateful night. The best way for Pakistan to honor Bob is to make sure that his legacy does not end with his passing. We must make a concerted effort to ensure that his vision for Pakistan cricket becomes a reality. We all know mistakes were made and that major problems were left unsolved, knowledge is power, but only when we act on it. I hope that the PCB makes sure that his death was not in vain. As a martyr of Pakistani cricket and a man of strong convictions, I along with millions of others, salute you.

  • RSN on March 23, 2007, 18:26 GMT

    I don't see a point in setting up a woolmer academy. We see lot of knee-jerk reactions here starting from inzi's retirement

    It is highly imperative that PCB offers unconditional unlimited co-operation in bringing the criminal to justice. that is what is top priority here. rest all can wait.

  • wasim saqib (detroit) on March 23, 2007, 18:25 GMT

    I agree with kamran that things will become even more worse for Pakistan cricket the fact that the whole investigation seems to be directed towards Pakistan players is very disturbing,I think we all need to be patient and wait for the investigation to provide any conclusive evidence untill then I dont think we need to bestow any awards as we never know how things are going to unfold. The Media and the investigation is focused towards Pakistan team but it can be somebody who had only connections with BOB or a disgruntled fan or somebody who lost a lot of money,the investigation so far is at its early stage a lot of questions are not clear yet but PCB should raise hell as why there were not adequate security measures in the hotel, all the other teams when they come to Pakistan make hue and cry over security issues,this is clearly a security breach and Pakistan should take up this matter with ICC and Jamaica.

  • QD on March 23, 2007, 18:22 GMT

    Future of pakistan cricket... make either shoaib malik or shahid afridi the captain... bring in hard working players like asim kamal... bring back our fast bowlers... get proper opening batsman...

    i dont know why afridi doesnt open the batting... whts the point of keeping him at no7... he cant play freely there... atleast he is free to open his shoulders if he knows there are other batsman to follow him... restricting him by keeping him with the tail in not smart...

  • Dawar, LA USA on March 23, 2007, 18:13 GMT

    we should say true.

    Before Bob Woolmer died, every one was crtisizing his polices.

    Now after his death, he is a legend coach, great coach etc

    Please stop this hyprocracy.

    True is true before or after the world cup or his death.

    Please remeber, under his coachship Pakistan out from the world cup in a very bad manner. Pakistan lost against ireland. Pakistan lost serise against South Africa in SA. Pakistan won the home serise against West Indies. Paksitan lost seriese against Enland after 26 years.

    So he was not a very great Coach for Paksitan cricket.

    But he was not too bad coach. We need to learn from his death, one very important lesson to respect people when they are with you.

    Do we give right respect to javed Miandad?

    If yes, we do not need any coach from out of country. Javed Knows cricket more than any one, I heard this from several test cricketrs who played with him. Recently, Sir Vivian Richard also praised him and adviced Paksitan board to assigned Javed Miandad as a Pkistan Cricket Coach.

    Regards, Dawar

    Dawar LA, USA

  • Muhammad on March 23, 2007, 17:48 GMT

    Well that is agood idea but i think what pakistan needs is a corruption free environment for cricket. There is politics,many cricketers play not because of their abilities but because of their good contacts with the cricket mangement in the country. All the first class structure needs to be rebuilt. I think master mind "Imran Khan" should be invited with open heart. He realy has a very sharp cricketing mind. Once cricketers emerge on the international level, the flaws in their techniques are never worked out. Salman Butt, Taufiq Umer, Yaser Hameed. Some thing has to be done about it.

  • Sri on March 23, 2007, 17:44 GMT

    I think Pakistan first needs an institute on honesty, gamesmanship and respect. I was watching a video yesterday of Shoaib pushing Bob away with disdain. First you guys learn how to show respect to elders. Then you can think about learning/playing cricket.

  • Muhammad on March 23, 2007, 17:44 GMT

    Well that is agood idea but i think what pakistan needs is a corruption free environment for cricket. There is politics,many cricketers play not because of their abilities but because of their good contacts with the cricket mangement in the country. All the first class structure needs to be rebuilt. I think master mind "Imran Khan" should be invited with open heart. He realy has a very sharp cricketing mind.

  • Ifzal on March 23, 2007, 17:44 GMT

    I am really sad & upset by the recent events. my sincerest condolences go to bob's family & he will be greatly missed.

    I just like to add that the past year has been a disaster for Pakistani cricket & it will be interesting to see what happens next.

    Also Mr Kamran you should resign as you are the worst correspondent i have ever come accross. Your articles such as " Abdul Qadir is better than Shane Warne" & " The only team Pakistan cannot beat is Austrailia" are classics. Coming to think of it can you please continue as your articles are very amusing. I have some suggestions for you such as " Mohammed Hafeez is better than Viv Richards" or how about " Rana Naveed is greatest bowler of all time" or even "Kamran Akmal can catch a bullet with his eyes closed".

  • Jibran on March 23, 2007, 17:43 GMT

    True. And all of us can only hold our breath until and if the identity of the murderer is found. No wonder how much room this rabbit hole still has for Pakistan Cricket..

    The Woolmer family have indeed been very dignified. Our thoughts and prayers are with them.

  • Nick on March 23, 2007, 17:40 GMT

    Well, it's a nice idea - but why didn't Pakistan sort out its situation while Woolmer was alive? Now they have lost a fine coach and good man - and the result will be just another institution to add to the corrupt gravy train that has ruined Pakistan's cricket. And now we have a fake e-mail being touted by Ashraf! I am sorry, but Woolmer obviously did not write the e-mail - it is ungrammatical, arrogant, and filled with obvious errors and misspoken phrases. I suggest that the Pakistan players who murdered him forged the email from his laptop, sent it off, and forgot that there are real English speakers out there. Investigate this sordid e-mail, fingerprint the laptop, and arrest those responsible. When the murderers hang, then clean up Pakistan cricket, and make that act the memorial to Bob Woolmer.

  • Ahmed on March 23, 2007, 17:27 GMT

    I support your idea of a sports science and cricket institute at a major university in Pakistan. Woolmer proved the significance of the Scientific study of cricket to the world. If a university in Pakistan successfully establishes such an institute then it will certainly open up the diverse field of biomechatronix to the country while serving the requirements of the sporting community. There is no need to hurry and do something for BOB for the sake of doing it. If proper research & laboratory facilities can be established at any of the universities, it will certainly one of the most spirited tribute we can pay to BOB, and his professionalism.

  • Asim Hasan on March 23, 2007, 17:21 GMT

    Whatever you say Kamran, this black mark will never be washed away, Pakistan Coach murdered, players fingerprinted, DNA tested. This is utter humiliation.

    I was following Bob Woolmer when he was South African Coach, since 1992. And I prayed and dreamed that is it possible that we have him as a coach. O Boy! was I happy when we actually got him as a coach. Then we had players who tried to humiliate him, ex-players who uttered total nonsense over him. You are right these Woolmers are thorough gentlemen - he never replied back to these rubbish.

    Whatever you suggest we can not bring him back. This pain will not go away. Something is dead in our heart and it will never live again.

  • Salman Malik on March 23, 2007, 17:13 GMT

    I totally agree that there be both an Institute of Cricket Excellence in Bob Woolmer's name in Pakistan and FAST. Also a tournament involving the state or local sides in his name as the Bob Woolmer Trophy should be made with proceeds going for cricket development to schools. What Pakistan needs is an investment into schol cricket grounds and faster pitches. It took the Australians 7-9 years when everyone was whipping them after Kim Hughes took the rebel tour to S Africa in the eary 80s, but their investments into domestic cricket at the grass roots has paid off in the form of World dominance, making Allan Border the champion he is in Australian cricket. We need to do this fast. First though the board needs to be fired and set up along democratic lines, rather than on ad-hoc basis. It's time to wake up and go with realty, otherwise Pakistan cricket will become like Pakistan Hockey - a has-been, while talent from Khushab and Gojra has wasted due lack of Astro-turf and other facilities - as rules and standards of Hocky changed we could not afford to keep pace.The same fate could befall Pakistan Cricket - which would be a loss bigger than the current tragedies befalling our cricket.

  • Baqar on March 23, 2007, 17:11 GMT

    Condolences to Bob Woolmers' family. Bob spent almost 3 years as Pakistan's coach and never once did he publicaly voice any comment against any player or PCB official- This is incredible given the fiasco that has plagued Pakistan cricket during the last year or so. Shows the integrity, moral and greatness of Bob Woolmer -a lesson for us all!.May Allah bless his soul and comfort his family.

  • Amir Faizi on March 23, 2007, 16:55 GMT

    Did I just read, "set up a sports science and cricket institute at a major university in Pakistan." What's a "major" university? Do we have one in Pakistan? Wishful thinking, but I don't think anything will happen.

  • Danish Khan on March 23, 2007, 16:54 GMT

    I agree with this in all totality! I am utterly shocked to have known firstly of Woolmer's death and then that it was caused by somebody else. Speculations into that are also disturbing and I hope they find out who did it.

    An institute would be great not just to signify Woolmer's achievements but also for Pakistan cricket to advance.

  • Hasan Ali on March 23, 2007, 16:43 GMT

    Bob Woolmer murdered!i just cant beleive it.Who would murder such a gentle man.He was a great coach.Things are getting worser for the Pakistani team.i hope the murderer would be soon caught and punished.I also hope it is no one in the Pakistani team

  • ahsan on March 23, 2007, 16:35 GMT

    brilliant idea, it would be a fitting memorial for a man that wanted just that in his life as a cricket coach, to unearth the best talent, to educate and watch it grow, than to unleash it to the world.

    R.I.P Bob Woolmer - LEGEND

  • Imran Shah on March 23, 2007, 16:34 GMT

    Indeed a good suggestion!

  • Rafi Mirza on March 23, 2007, 16:28 GMT

    What is the point of building an institute in Bob Woolmer's name? The Pakistani board and public failed to appreciate him and give him every support. In defeat and controversy he stood by the team and lifted the players (unfortunately they failed to deliver as they seem to have no pride in representing their country unless they win). As a Pakistani I was thoroughly ashamed at the actions of some of the public after the defeat to Ireland. A few days ago the public were asking for his head (I recall a few reports of people wanting him arrested and/or killed). The true sadness in this episode is not Bob's death (as terrible as it is and I sincerely offer my condolences to his family) but that the Pakistani people could not appreciate that they had the best coach in the world until after he was killed.

  • Euceph Ahmed on March 23, 2007, 16:23 GMT

    It's quite amazing to me that you avoid the real issue (matchfixing) and start talking about honoring people this early. That's the sort of zeal we show with naming stadium-enclosures for cricketers who are still into their careers (Abdul Razzaq stand, Shaihd Afridi stand).

    To be clear, I don't quite disagree with your idea of honoring Woolmer by creating and naming a cricket research institute after him. (who can dare disagree with such nobility of thought?) The only thing I'm wondering about is that a murder charge by the police opens up a whole Pandora's box of conspiracy theories some of which need to be discussed.

    It is (again) quite obvious that your article is written to draw approval from your audience - something which you've grown so accustomed to enjoy that you ruthlessly censor any dissenting posts. The advantage of a blog, in some cases, could've been to touch upon the taboo, to go where others are afraid of going. What I'm saying is that what needs to be discussed is MATCHFIXING.

    Whether Woolmer was murdered; if so, who murdered him; and most importantly, why was he murdered are the questions that need to be discussed at this stage. It is no secret that cricket world cups have been marred with heavy matchfixng and betting scandals. Most of that stuff has been successfully swept under the rug so far while some has been managed through window-dressing.

    It is time that we openly and frankly talk about those things now. It is time we find out the truth. Let's not forget that Woolmer was the coach when Hansie Cronje was going on a matchfixing spree. Let's not forget that Mushtaq Ahmed was implicated by justice Qayyum in Pakistan's matchfixing inquiries. Let's not overlook the fact that Asif Iqbal, the kingpin of cricket betting, was forcefully employed by Nasim Ashraf just two months before the world cup began. Let's not take lightly the fact that Marlon Samuels was chatting with well-known underworld people barely a month ago.

    Yes, it's good to honor Woolmer, but it's time to talk about the real deal Mr. Abbasi. Dare I challenge you to post this one?

  • Saima Kamal, USA on March 23, 2007, 16:14 GMT

    If cricket has started to take lives, we seriously need to take a hard look in the mirror. Violence and foul play have always been present in sport to a degree, but to have one of the world's most respected coaches murdered like this in the middle of the world cup - it defies belief! Has cricket the gentleman's game lost its soul? Is Bob Woolmer's murder a damning indictment of us as supporters?

    Saima Kamal New Jersey

  • md alam on March 23, 2007, 16:10 GMT

    it may be just possible tha bob woolmer was strangled by the pakistan cricket team

  • Ahmed Jamal Shamsi on March 23, 2007, 16:02 GMT

    My salutations to a great coach., He coached a team which is full of self centered performances and lust for self prosperity. He was a great person, a great warm hearted soul. I only met him once by chance at National Stadium Karachi, shook hands and he treated me as if he know me for ages. A nice person. May the departed soul rest in peace and supreme one forgive his mistakes and have mercy on him

  • HardBall on March 23, 2007, 15:46 GMT

    A superb idea! Woolmer was a great person; no one ever doubted that, even his sworn enemies in Pakistan....well, did I say Miandad! Woolmer name should always been symble of sportsmanship in Pakistan.

  • Shaiq on March 23, 2007, 15:46 GMT

    I wish you could have took the lesson from the Wolmer family and be dignified during the toughest time in Pakistan cricket history. But you guys don't want to loose any opportunity to lash out the individuals you don't like. It’s ironic that you do recognize something that you do not have. Good Luck.

  • Raza Zuberi on March 23, 2007, 15:45 GMT

    What a brilliant idea Kamran but only one thing though. For God sake make sure this Sports Institute is not in Punjab. It is about time we cultivate talents from the other less fortunate regions of the country. It seems like every sports academy and their respective place seems to represent only one favorite province.

  • BM on March 23, 2007, 15:41 GMT

    Bob's death cannot be allowed to go in vain.

    There has to be something done, both to eliminate the cause of this and to honor him with a lasting monument. The cricket world must make a statement that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated. In fact, galvanize the public and administrators into removing all that is insidious and harmful to the game. " It's not cricket " is a term that we should hold dearly on to. In sport and in life.

  • Zeeshan on March 23, 2007, 15:33 GMT

    Hi Kamran, I think you are getting a bit carried away here. Just before his death you were blaming him for our defeats. Now you are saying that we need to honour him. Woolmer was a great man but probably not suited to coach Pakistan. His style was well suited to coach South Africa though. Regarding the murder story it seems pretty obvious now who they are trying to pinpoint for this. Fingerprints of pak team have been taken,dna testing also done. Hamid mir still denies that they are being suspected? Maybe when they put inzamam and mushtaq in jail hamid meer would still say that they are not being suspected. We need to stop with these lies and clearly let the pakistani fans know the details of who the suspects are. In the meantime Indian media is taking full advantage of the situation and trying to indirectly blame pakistani players in this situation even before the investigations are over. Its pretty much like some commentators giving there opinion on a third umpire decision hence putting pressure on the 3rd umpire to decide in there favour. I thinnk the Indian media needs to just concentrate on there own cricket and think more about azharuddin taking bribe etc rather than blame the pakistani team indirectly through its comments and hence trying to lead the international public to inappropriate conclusions. If they dont do this then the pakistan media should also launch an all out attack on the indian team. We obviously couldnt care less if dhoni's house was molested or whatever. But now i think we should. Whatever happens in the next few days one thing is certain. Pakistani cricketers and other pakistani individuals will be blamed here as usual. If they have done something wrong then name and shame them. But dont start pointing fingers on them just like that.

  • Tariq Chaudhry on March 23, 2007, 15:32 GMT

    I agree with Kamran Abbass's sentiments a sports science & cricket institute in honour of Bob Woolmer would indeed be in keeping with the late Coachs ethics and love of cricket. I would also venture to suggest a bi-annual one international series between South Africa and Pakistan - proceeds going to the new Woolmer Cricket Academy and the sports Cricket institute in Pakistan (assuming the idea was taken up).

    Tariq Chaudhry.

  • Masaood Yunus on March 23, 2007, 15:30 GMT

    Kamran, SA overheard you floating the idea of the Woolmer Cricket Academy. They have announced one today leading the way. Should Pakistan follow ?

    Absolutely.

  • Ashaq on March 23, 2007, 15:20 GMT

    I dont see much point in having an institute. Bob was denigrated when he was alive.Know that he is dead we are going to show our gratitude.Bit pointless dont you think.

    The Woolmer family are setting up a trust fund.I think his family are the best people to set up any lasting memorial.

  • Arbaz on March 23, 2007, 15:19 GMT

    Well Kamran. You're absolutely right! This would be a good way to find cricket talent in pakistan and i'm sure Bob would be very happy if he would've been with us today

  • Usman on March 23, 2007, 15:17 GMT

    Having just heard that the Jamaican police have confirmed that Bob Woolmer was murdered, I have to say that I genuinely feel ashamed to be a Pakistani today.

    It will not have escaped anyone's attention that Pakistan is going through a difficult time at the moment, both internally and in its relations with other countries.

    Cricket has been a welcome diversion from this for so long now. An area in which Pakistanis can compete with the best in the world. An area in which Pakistanis can feel proud of themselves.

    This has all changed now. We have destroyed our own dream, and we have no-one to blame but ourselves.

    What a tragedy.

  • Asif on March 23, 2007, 15:12 GMT

    Let's not get over emotional. It seems that we do not have any middle way of doing any thing or expressing any thing. We win, we get over emotional. We lose, we get over emotional. Musharraf has already awarded him civil honour. PCB can name one of enclosures in National Satdium, Karachi or Gadafi Stadium, Lahore.

  • Usman on March 23, 2007, 15:01 GMT

    That is a rare good suggestion by Mr. Abbasi :P

    I totally agree, there HAS to be an institution, a building, or even a damn road named after Bob. I'm of the opinion that Gaddafi Stadium be called Bob Woolmer Cricket Ground, but yes that's not gonna happen.

  • S. Sheikh on March 23, 2007, 15:01 GMT

    The ugly face of betting and match fixing is started to show its face in horrible and most dangerous way. There is no doubt the death of Bob was a foul play, now ding bells who critsize innocent players and coaches should be ashamed of its a slap on their face. No one wants to bring bad name to thir country or destroy their wonderful carriers needless to mention players like Seed Anwar, Wasim Akram, Basit Ali, Saleem Malik, Ijaz Ahmed etc etc. These powerful run organizations either lure players coaches and big cats of the boards by offering big time ransome if that dose'nt work by threats. Some how or the other people comply because they are afraid of the consequences. Some they keep their mouth shut and never talk. But if one does not comply and persist might end up like Bob or getting family member kidnapped. These organizations are very powerful and rich.---- Coming to retirment a player keeps on playing until physicaly fit age should not be the factor for cry not loud there were times when players made their debut in early fifties and late forties. I am not denying talents but gifted players are not born every day plus grooming a talented player takes time not to dispose off because the poor chap is in his mid thirties and performing good. In the end my condolances to Bob's family and very special thanks and wishes to INZI good luck buddy.

  • Yusaf Khan on March 23, 2007, 14:54 GMT

    I am absolutely disgusted to hear that someone murdered Bob. He was a gentleman and I will always remember him fondly. I had a chance to meet him before the oval test last year and found him very friendly and humble. My prayers are with his family.

  • tariq from stockport on March 23, 2007, 14:45 GMT

    i respected and loved bob and all that bob was doing for Pak cricket before this tragedy. having read somewhere that his coaching job with the PCB was not immensely well paid, that he lived on his own in a house in Lahore and that he spent 6months of the year there, i can only say that i feel very close to tears - here was a man who wanted the betterment of pak cricket more than (i would venture) some pakistanis themselves. hats off to you bob, what a man. unfortunately i fear and feel that my 10 year+ interest in cricket is now coming to an end. pak has no coach, captain, chairman or selectors. on top of that they _may_ be implicated in a murder. intersting times ahead, but ive had my fill. ciao.

  • Ashfaq Shah on March 23, 2007, 14:38 GMT

    Pakistan will be last country to invest in sport sciences. What a sad end to a genius cricket mind. I hope atleast now our fanatics (ex-captains) realise we actually had a gem with us.

  • Ali on March 23, 2007, 14:35 GMT

    I totally agree with Kamran that this should be the least PCB should do.

    BUT THE QUESTION IS DO THEY HAVE THE WILL AND THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO EXECUTE!

    We wish for so simple things but it seems the people who have the power are the most ignorent in the world or just have other things on their mind.

    I used to live in US and recently returned to Pakistan and the thing that is most troubling inspite of all the forward steps is that we lack system in every part of our life. And this is something that is constantly haunting us and will forever until we develop some sort of systems and the right people for the right job.

    BOB, WHAT CAN I SAY! IT MIGHT GET MORE WORSE. WHO AND WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO KILL THE GENTLE CARING SOUL...

    AND I'M EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE SECURITY ARRANGEMENTS AT THE WORLDCUP. WHY IS NOONE TALKING ABT IT? ISN'T ICC RESPONSIBLE TO TAKE A NOTICE OF THE SECURITY.. THEY ARE BIG ON EVERYTHING ELSE AND CANNOT PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MONEY THEY BRING IN.

    AND WHAT CAN I SAY ABOUT SARFRAZ NAWAZ, THE MOST DUMB PERSON IN PAKISTAN. BIG MOUTH WHO DOESNT KNOW WHAT TO SPEAK. HIS COMMENTS ARE NOW TAKEN AND SPOKEN AT EVERY CHANNEL AND SOMEHOW IMPLYING PAK HAS TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT, EVEN WHEN NOTHING IS CLEAR AT THIS TIME. CAN SOMEBODY STOP THAT ID..T.

  • Razoo badmash on March 23, 2007, 14:31 GMT

    BOB WOOLMER National Academy, that should be the new name of the National Academy. If its a Pakistani responsible then we will need to look at ourselves as a people and give derious thought on how we need to change our ways and actions as Civilized people. My heart goes out to Gill and the kids. Bob chacha was loved and admired by the people of Pakistan and we will never forget his service to our nation. May he rest in peace

  • Masaood Yunus on March 23, 2007, 14:25 GMT

    Bob's dedication to cricket and appreciation for Pakistan's cricketing talent is an open secret. He was very fond of the raw talent and was at times frustrated at how it wasn't tapped and utilised properly. A sports academy, a high cricketing honor award or maybe a stadium named after Bob Woolmer will be a much deserved honor. He was a household named and was widely loved by this nation. This is probably the least we can do for the modern day "Father Cricket".

    Bob, you will always be remembered.

  • Samir Dada on March 23, 2007, 14:22 GMT

    A cricket institute named after Bob Woolmer ? First and foremost sort out the domestic structure of Pakistan cricket before doing anything else. The Patron should approve the constitution and have elections so someone who has the best ideas and a vision is in charge, we need to address these issues before we look to name anything after anyone.

  • Azam Farooqui on March 23, 2007, 14:11 GMT

    Schocking to see the revelations that Bob Woolmer was murdered, finally we can say cricket's no more a sport and cricket's an industry where money is more important than the lives of players, officials and others. I think it will be a great idea that PCB starts a sports science institute and name it after Bob Woolmer, an institute that Pakstan needs badly and no name with be more appropriate than Bob Woolmer, as Fannie de Villiers said, he wasnt just a player/coach, but a complete scholar of the game, something which has been rare in cricket. Also i feel Pakistan and South Africa should play a one day interenational in his memory, something the world can watch, two teams whom he coached playing a game in his memory. Just a thought, i think it would be a fitting farewell the man.

  • nasir on March 23, 2007, 14:05 GMT

    I think Pakistan need to get over this issue as soon as possible and unfotunately distance themselves from the name Bob Woolmer if they are ever going to recover.

    I think the damage done to Paki cricket will take years to overcome and we may not be able to play at a higher level for many years to come.

    This has been the worst 6 months of Paki cricket and am sure the players who were not selected for this ill fated campaign will be smiling and gld the selectors overlooked them. I think Bari will get a lot of nice mail from Yasir Hameed, Butt, Umar and Farhat.

  • Robert on March 23, 2007, 13:58 GMT

    Very sad and distressing news. I hope that this matter comes to a conclusion as soon as possible as I am sure the whole Woolmer family would like this to end as soon as possible.

    May all our thoughts with be with Gill and her boys.

  • Shahid on March 23, 2007, 13:56 GMT

    Kamran you are right. I would also like to chime in here to add something else. I think that Pakistan cricket faces a dilemna because of the lack of education to the players. Because of that our players cant work on their games, cant read about their flaws in newspapers, dont know how to use technology to the utmost, and cant make strategies. I mean just consider that if our players can read all the expert articles published on cricinfo exploring each and everything, stats about different teams and the basic flaws that are discussed on the website, i would say that they would be far better players if they can just get some education on their game. And in this regard the sports science institution would help. At least then we wont hear the excuse of Mohammad Asif and Shoaib telling that we were ignorant of the ingredients of a specific supplement. Another point that i have always made, here and on bobs website (and kamran i would like you to pass this on to PCB) is that Pakistan should dump their current cricket structure and should pick their teams from schools/colleges/universities. This in return would help a greater cause of making our players as better representatives of Pakistan. This will also help us to get more talent into the schools and we will see more rise in education. This also provides the players, who cannot make it to the highest level, with other options to develop their careers elsewhere.Also there will be a sense of competition amongst the schools *(being an ex cadet college student i can say that at school level the competition are feirce and guys seem to have better knowledge of cricket). And last but not the least is that, all poor kids who leave their education just to make it to the top level will have to get into the colleges in order to make it to the top level. On the other hand instead of investing all the money at the divisional/provincial level, we can provide schools with funds and provide them man power to develop the talent. I studied in abbottabad and often use to wonder what happened to those good school players. Now its good to see abbottabad has a good team. Another alternative is to have two leagues of cricket. One at the school level and one at the provinicial level(i know they have it but they need to make it better), just the way Americans do with their basket ball. I think this will help producce better cricketers:NO, better educated cricketers. After all everybody owes something to Pakistan. We should have a sports institute for woolmer and a stadium against his name. i hope sincerely that those who are responsible for woolmers death are caught and dealt with harshly. i also hope that KAMRAN ABBASI WOULD PASS ON MY SUGGESTIONS (and those of many others) to the PCB, AFTER ALL BEING A GOOD WRITER YOU ALSO OWE SOMETHING TO PAKISTAN as a whole and PARTIALLY TO PAKISTAN CRICKET.

    i know its getting long but i would like to end on this note. After all

    Nahin naumeed Iqbal apne kasht e veeran se. Zara num ho to yeh matti bari zarghaiz hai saki.

    Long live Pakistan. May bobs soul rest in peace.

    Thanks Shahid.

  • Usman Tahir on March 23, 2007, 13:42 GMT

    You never sieze to amaze me, here you were 1 day after the Ireland Loss, taking a swipe at Inzi & Bob, now that Bob is dead, he is suddenly your and Musharraf's Hero ? this tune is a far cray from what u wrote , QUOTE

    You have taken a group of players with ability and turned them into the most spineless, lethargic bunch in the world.

    So just because a person is dead , he becomes the hero.

    Lets be clear on one thing , i have nothing against BOB , i was and am a big Fan , world cup loss or no loss , he was a great influence for pakistan , but it annoys the living day lights out of me of when people like you make a demon out of someone one minute and take a U Turn the Next, pakistan loosing the world cup wasnt a tragedy, Inzamam leaving the way he did IS , so is Bob woolmers demise and the implication of this we see now and are bound to see in future. Also a note about the award from Mr. Musharraf, the world can see beyond your antics of award granting, will you take the award back if it materializes that there was gambling linkage here ? maybe you should have thought of Inzi to who is alive , and has given his life to pakistani cricket , has won more matches for pakistan then anyone else (Including Miandad). He didnt deserve to go this way.

    Lastly i do agree with you about Bob's family and the way they have handled this, my deepest condolences, he was a good man and did wonders for pakistan.

  • Hassan Farooqi on March 23, 2007, 13:39 GMT

    Can't agree with you more. Sometimes you really hit precisely what I think. I always thought Bob needed to grow beyond being a coach of the touring team and should be more of a national cricket advisor. I think Javed Miandad was more fit as a tour coach and Rashid Latif more of a National Academy leader. The cricket authorities needs to zoom out a little bit and see the bigger picture. A sports institute in Bob's name will only tell what Bob should have been doing.

  • Najam Saeed on March 23, 2007, 13:29 GMT

    I was extremely disturbed, disappointed and shocked when I learned that the police in Jamaica had concluded that Bob Woolmer was murdered. I am still struggling with this conclusion but I suppose the police must have reviewed all aspects of the situation carefully before making this announcement. I am appalled, upset and sometimes depressed at the loss of a very gentle, mild mannered, loving, and caring individual who was extremely professional in his interactions. He was indeed very sincere, committed, dedicated, and loyal to the team. It further saddens me to note that Bob died while he was coaching Pakistani team. Coaches can only coach, in the end it is the players who have to go out in the filed and perform. Somehow my intuition and sixth sense tells me that Bob’s death is directly related to dismal and poor performance of Pakistan against Ireland. I am praying that Pakistan team is cleared of Bob’s death and they had nothing to do with it. I felt very good when I learned that Pakistan government decided to award Bob the highest civilian award (Sitarai Imtiaz). It is the least we could do to recognize his services and contributions to Pakistan Cricket against very trying and often challenging circumstances. To further acknowledge and recognize Bob’s contributions to Pakistan Cricket and his dedication and commitment, Pakistan must name a premier cricket related building, stadium, organization or agency after him. We must show to ourselves, the country and the world that Bob was one of us; we will not forget him, and how much we valued him as a part of Pakistan cricket establishment. I have been thinking about it and it is interesting that Kamran Abbasi said suggested a very similar thing. Great minds think alike. :-)

    This World Cup campaign for Pakistan has been a nightmare – the shocking performance of the team, Bob’s death, the dark cloud over our team, and the mass exodus of the management. I hope that we have seen the bottom and we will go up from here. Maybe too naïve to think that way!!!

  • Rabi Sultan on March 23, 2007, 13:22 GMT

    I completely agree 100% with what you are saying. His passion was evident as was his dedication to the team and the betterment of Pakistan in the world of cricket. As such he fully deserves the accolade awarded to him by Musharaf and now the PCB should do something as well.

  • Bilal on March 23, 2007, 13:21 GMT

    As you rightly put, things seem to be getting worse by the days. The idea for a sports institute named after Woolmer is a very good one and should definately be persued. But who can tell with Pakistani cricket?

  • Farooq Anees on March 23, 2007, 13:12 GMT

    Well sir...you are right and i totally agree with you that we should praise Sir Bob Woolmer's death by naming an institute after it which teaches our young guns to play cricket more professionally. It was his guidance that made Shoaib Malik into a profound batsman. But first of all we have to change the whole scenario of the Cricket Board and give our great ex-players a chance and appoint them so the can guide our players and that academy or institute should be run directly by them so the young players there learn the tips and tricks that the senior player knew. As for Bob he was the best in business giving a scientific approach to the game was his idea and he took up the job when our cricket was at its lowest after the 2003 Wold Cup and transformed the boys into a fighting unit. Winning is loosing is part of game and i have no hard feelings toward my team. The death of Bob has made everyone sad and lets hope and pray that the murderer gets caught.

  • Sajid Khan on March 23, 2007, 13:12 GMT

    I strongly believe that Bob Woolmer's services to Pakistand & to the world of cricket should be acknowledged at any cost. And, the so called critics in Pakistan who until his death were against his role in Pakistan cricket should get a lesson from what 'tangible' he has given to Pakistan. Those crictics (e.g., some ex-cricketers) should be banned from taking part in national TV talk shows--they simply bring ambiguity to the image of the sport in Pakistan.

  • Mohammad Azeem Dada on March 23, 2007, 13:08 GMT

    I thought it couldnt get any worse and now this has happened. Just hope none of the team was involved. Now how will we ever find a good coach now that its is literally the most dangerous job in cricket. We need help and fast.

  • Najam Butt on March 23, 2007, 13:01 GMT

    I feel sick to the stomach with the news, first of his death and now it being confirmed as murder.

    As you point out Kamran, it gets worse by the day. But can it get any more so? This whole thing is becoming very murky, and if any players or officials are implicated, then perhaps it will be time for all Pak fans to boycott Pak cricket.

    I say this with a heavy heart because I am a devoted supporter. But there are limits.

    Bob... RIP.

  • Faraz on March 23, 2007, 12:58 GMT

    Good thought Kamran! but I think that its not worth it. You are right about the identity of the murderer and it can get much worse for Pakistan. Ever since the demise of Bob, I have been having nightmares that Pakistan has been suspended from cricket for 15-20 years. I jst pray they are mere dreams. Nevertheless, rest assured that in the next world cup, we would still be debating about improvement. Frankly speaking, I do not see Pakistan improving anywhere in the near future. Hope I am proven wrong, though.

  • Ali Khan, Cambridge UK on March 23, 2007, 12:56 GMT

    Kamran, I cannot agree more. After Bob Woolmer's death I thought surely this is the absolute depth our cricket could plunge into. But everyday I am shocked by the new developments. As much as I initially found the reaction of the likes of Sarfaraz Nawaz mere sensationalism, now I am forced to think otherwise. I just pray it doesn't get any worse from here on.

  • Jawad Jamil on March 23, 2007, 12:55 GMT

    The best idea one could think of... this is the least we can do in recognition of a magnificent person.. whom i would call the first Martyr of Cricket! God bless Bob's soul.

  • Sharmeen Desai on March 23, 2007, 12:52 GMT

    "It is likely too that the identity of the murderer will make the matter even more unpalatable" --------> I have an uneasy feeling about this.

  • sam on March 23, 2007, 12:48 GMT

    Well, it is funny. Do you really think at this moment to make an academy on the name of a person to motivate so called asian cricket philosophy. If you can do one right thing, then just change the way we give so much importance to game that can take life of a person. Just take it as a game and let the player play without pressure and let politics go out of it.. so it be President or who ever..

  • Nasdaq7 - SA on March 23, 2007, 12:48 GMT

    I think Pakistan ( and possibly India ) will struggle to attract coaches in the future. But if someone that bet a lot of money on Pakistan and lost, murdered Bob Woolmer, then the lives of players and coaches anywhere in the world, in future world cups are in danger.

  • Kivmohd on March 23, 2007, 12:43 GMT

    Absolutely in agreement! It's a pity it has to be done posthumously like all other posthumous awards which irks me somewhat but it's better late than never. A great cricketing character! RIP Mr. Woolmer...

  • Ashar Ahmad on March 23, 2007, 12:40 GMT

    good idea but thn we all know tht while, naming some thing after some 1 is almost a norm in pakistan and we dont take a minute to do tht,making something like a sports insitiute and thn naming it after bob will take ages to take place in a country like ours...so my idea would be to just name the "qaddafi stadium" after bob ..it will do two things ...1)it would be a tribute to woolmer from pakistan

    2)finally a cricket ground would be named after a cricketer and not some political personality who probably himself would be a starnger to cricket as well!

  • Jocalyn Clark on March 23, 2007, 12:40 GMT

    I read the news of Bob Woolmer's strangulation in the Canadian press this morning. Shocking. While I'm an amateur cricket observer I understood the man to be respected and good natured. I came to your blog, Kamran, to read your reaction and see you've made wonderful suggestions for his legacy to be memoralised and for others to learn from his good work. Always enjoy reading Pak Spin!

  • Sam Ellison on March 23, 2007, 12:36 GMT

    Pakistanis are good at playing victims. The truth is that the Pakistan cricket team was directly involved in Bob Wooler's murder.

  • Ash Zed on March 23, 2007, 12:28 GMT

    This is so ridiculous. Those who were cursing Bob few days ago are now believe he was the best thing that happened to Pakistan cricket.

    This is a sign of dead nation that only acknowledges something when it is no more. Many believe Pak cricket cannot go into more turmoil than the present chaos. However, lets wait and see until the murderer(s) are identified.

    I do not want to jump into conclusion but I do hope he is not a victim of religious extremism which is destroying this nation as well as Pakistan cricket team.

  • saqib bhatti on March 23, 2007, 12:28 GMT

    Great idea kamran uncle. I think opening such an institute would be a terrific idea. I'm alol for the use of sports science and sports medicine to enhance the way our cricketers perform. (using nandrolone is somthing i don't endorse however). I guess in the future our bowlers won't have to be sent to the University of New South Wales to have their shoddy bowling actions tested. RIP Bobby.

  • Abdul Wahab on March 23, 2007, 12:27 GMT

    Bob was a man of strong character. He was true to everything that came his way. Pakistan Cricket will always be indebted to him. I speak as a representative of the large Silent majority of the people of Pakistan, 'WE LOVED HIM ALOT , HIS MERITORIOUS SERVICES WOD ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED'.

  • EXPOSE PAK CRICKET on March 23, 2007, 12:26 GMT

    Dear Mr Abbasi,

    YOU ARE A VERY SENSIBLE AND ARTICULATE MAN WHEN IT COMES TO EXPRESSING YOUR VIEWS ON PAKISTAN CRICKET. I THEREFORE REQUEST YOU PUBLISH MY MAIL ON YOUR BLOG.

    FIRSTLY I WILL ECHO YOUR WORDS REGARDING BOB'S FAMILY, THEY ARE SHOWING AMAZING DIGNITY IN ALL THIS.

    HOWEVER NOW WE HAVE IT CONFIRMED THAT BOB WAS MURDERED, QUESTION THAT NEEDS ANSWERING IS BY WHOM? AND AND WHY?....

    I AM OF THE FIRM BELIEVE THAT IT WAS NOT AN IRRATE SUPPORTER, AS GIVEN THE FACTS IT IS VERY REMOTE. NOW LETS NOT BEAT ABOUT THE BUSH, EX PLAYERS IN THE GAME ALL ARE SAYING IT IS TO DO WITH MATCH FIXING, AND THIS SEEMS TO HOLD WATER.

    FIRSTLY IN ORDER FOR THEIR TO BE MATCH FIXING, THE PROCESS IS A TWO WAY THING PLAYERS AND BOOKIES WORKING TOGETHER. IT NOW MUST BE OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO FIND OUT WHO ARE INVOLVED FROM THE PAKISTAN TEAM? THEY MUST THEN FACE CRIMINAL CHARGES AND DEALT WITH THE MOST SEVERE WAY POSSIBLE. AFTER THIS THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR BOB'S DEATH SHOULD BE ROOTED OUT AND HUNG FOR THIS ACT.

    PAKISTAN OFFICALS MUST I STRESS MUST KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. THEY MUST FEEL THE WRATH OF THE INTERNATIONAL WORLD THAT IS THE CRICKET WORLD BE EXILED FROM PLAYING INTERNATIONAL CRICKET. THIS IS SURELY THE ANSWER, TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM WILL BE TO ELIMINATE THE PROBLEML; PAKISTAN CRICKET.

    IT JUST GOES TO REFLECT THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN PAKISTAN, CORRUPT TO THEIR BACK TOOTH, NO DIGNITY AND PRIDE. AS A GOOD HONEST MAN HAS PAID FOR HIS LIFE AND A FAMILY HAS LOST A FATHER A HUSBAND, I ASK YOU MR ABBASI TO HELP EXPOSE THESE CORRUPT ELEMENT OF PAKISTAN CRICKET.

    FINALLY, PAKISTAN SHOULD FACE POSSIBLE BAN FOR AS LONG AS THE ICC DEEM IS NECESSARY TO SOLVE THEIR CORRUPT HOUSE. PAKISTAN CRICKET IS A CANCER AND IS KILLING WORLD CRICKET. THESE ROGUE ELEMENTS MUST BE EXPOSED. ALSO I AM CERTAIN FROM WHAT I READ THAT PAK TEAM MEMBERS ARE INVOLVED AS IT COULD NOT TAKE PLACE WITHOUT THEIR INPUT. THEREFORE SHAME ON THEM SHAME SHAME. THAT THEY WOULD SETTLE FOR A FEW DOLLARS IN LIEU OF THEIR SELF RESPECT AND PRIDE OF THE NATION.

    WE MUST ALL STOP PRETENDING THAT IT DOES NOT EXIST, AND ELIMINATE THEM FROM PAK CRICKET.

    PS BEST WAY TO REMEMBER BOB WOULD BE NO TROPHY BUT TO EXPOSE AND CHANGE PAKISTAN CRICKET INTO WHAT HE WANTED. FAIR AND HONEST PLAY.

  • zain kazmi ( This article is on previous blog) on March 23, 2007, 12:24 GMT

    My friends I salute u on making some great comments on kamran abbasi’s blog. I don’t want to say my views on that rite now (since saying for the last 1 year on this blog) but I ve selected few comments made by few gentlemen which I thought really portrayed this nations feelings. some are very “funny” and some are related to “future cricket planning”. It took me an hour to select , edit and paste those. Anyway u got to read those and once again well done my friends. i supported with my views in brackets.()

    By: FahadQ at March 19, 2007 1:54 PM Bhaijan, I feel sorry for you at the moment. You are cranking out an article almost daily since the last couple of days. Aap na stress leyleyna! ( the most hilarious comment, good fahad)( kamran bhai that shows how much we care u and worry abt u)

    By: Sohail at March 19, 2007 2:51 PM All I know is this team has a blood on their hands. …….How self centered Inzi can be. A stubborn, lame and coward leader, who has turned the game into nothing but promoting his agenda and friends. retiring only from 1 day. Look at your belly "Aloo" and then look around, do you even fit to be considered as athlete. Spitting out few nice words will not wash away the blood this team has on their hand. They know in their hearts they are responsible for his death. (totally agree sohail. Players are responsible for bob’s death)

    By: Dealabc at March 19, 2007 4:55 PM When I saw Mushtaq Ahmed sitting with the Pakistani team during the opening ceremony, I knew that team had no chance. When will Pakistani cricktet get rid of such useless former cricketers? They are still in the same old mindset with same old tainted players. For God's sake, Now on Inzimam's retirement. I think he was thinking too much …………………. Except for Muhammad Yousuf, Younus, Sami and the rest don't deserve a place in an International team. Who the hell selected players like Rao, Anjum, Imran Nazir…….. They don't even deserve a place in a club team let alone an international team. Such club level cricketers have been given too much importance by the board and even public…….. Just look at Azhar Mamood. The guy thinks he is Viv Richard. (funniest haha) very well done dealabc

    By: Shahid at March 19, 2007 5:54 PM Bismillah-ir-Rahman-ir-Rahim First of all, thanks to Allah Yes, I means da boys they play well and they try the best but it is not the will of Allah that World Cup is ours………………. ( these opening comments were great , giving a familiar feeling of someone.. )

    By: ARZaidi at March 19, 2007 9:38 PM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Inzi must go from test cricket too. He is unfit and does not fit in Pakistani side on merit. For God's sake Inzi, let some youngster take your seat . You did play well in yester years but everyone who touches peak has to come down too. …. By: Ash Zed at March 19, 2007 1:43 PM With Pak elimination……….. With regard to Inzi, if he has made an emotional press conference, that does not mean he should be forgiven aqnd absolved of all the wrong doings. (U r absolutely right) He has inflicted irreparable damage to Pak cricket and its reputation. He must be eliminated from ODI and captaincy. However, I would like to see him playing in Test provided he is willing to bat at #4. Majed Khan should be appointed PCB head (totally agree). Although Imran is the best choice but I doubt he would accept the position. Afridi seems to be the only logical choice for captaincy for at least 5 years. Qaddafi Stadium should be renamed after Bob Woolmer.( best tribute really. Well done zed) Why do we need to name this beautiful stadium after Libya's...

    That sums up hope u people must have liked and enjoyed these.cant wait for kamran's next article! regards. thanx

  • eddy on March 23, 2007, 12:23 GMT

    i cant believe Bob was murdered, this game we all love above all other sports is just that...a game. money and betting will ruin this game as it has this world cup. On a slightly lighter note can somebody please help me with this. Pakistan were D1 and W indies D2. now that Pakistan have gone who becomes D1 or D2 for that matter. D1 will surley be the group winners yet ive read on Cricinfo that D2 (W indies when tornament began)will play A1 Australia on tuesday. can anyone clear this up? God bless Bob and his family. Eddy

  • zain kazmi on March 23, 2007, 12:17 GMT

    iam very disappointed at this news and extremely worried about the situation, to be very honest i think we must be prepare for anything.rite now there is a lot to discuss but we should keep are fingers crossed at the moment bcoz its a matter of conutry's dignity.

  • Dr Khalid Husain on March 23, 2007, 12:16 GMT

    Astounding developments, just when you think it could not possibly get worse! I hope against hope that none of the Pakistani players are implicated in the murder investigations as suspects. Thank you for seeking a positive side on this tragic affair. Again the fortitude of the Woolmer family has beeen amazing. The Woolmer Institute is a wonderful idea!

  • zain kazmi on March 23, 2007, 12:15 GMT

    iam very disappointed at this new3s and extremely worried about the situation, to be very honest i think we must be prepare for anything.rite now there is a lot to discuss but we sholud keep are fingers crosed at the moment bcoz its a matter of conutry's dignity.

  • Reehan on March 23, 2007, 12:11 GMT

    Great suggestion, but inappropriat at this time as I think attention should rightfully turn on whether the tournament should go ahead or not. I think its shameful the way a criminal investigation is being superseeded by a sporting event. The police took 2 days to announce it was a murder investigation when it would have been obvious he was strangled. The Woolmer family deserves justice, and the players and guests of the hotel should have been questioned and finger printed on Sunday. The longer the investigation takes the less chance there is to catch the real killer(s). Instead the murder investigation only commenced once Pak team had played its last match. Im a cricket fan and deeply hurt and upset at whats happened but the best thing for Bob right now is not a memorial but some peace to his family that his killers have been brought to justice. Kamran, its a shame that cricket has become so self obsessed that we have lost sight of the value of human life and the principles of justice. Reehan

  • Nabeel on March 23, 2007, 12:09 GMT

    Hi there,

    I think you are indead right if you say that the indentiy of the murderer will be even a greater shock. As far as honouring bob (may allah rest his soul) is concerned we surly have to respect his visions and set up a institute like that. The danger however is that with bob not being with us any more this project will be in danger of getting in the slump that pakistani cricket is and has been for so many years.

  • Kiran Ahmed on March 23, 2007, 11:50 GMT

    We must honor Bob's memory by naming something major after him - like the National Academy Residence for example. Bob lived at the NCA when he was in Pakistan so the residential block should be called the Bob Woolmer Residence. Another thing we can do to honor Bob's memory is to make sure that SOB Miandad never coaches Pakistan again. When the news broke on HumTV with Miandad was barely containing his smile.

  • Shehzad on March 23, 2007, 11:40 GMT

    I am saddened and shocked to see that someone could be murdered over a game. No doubt money is involved but what seems surprising is that someone would wish to harm such a gentleman. I wonder where the game will go from here and how Pakistani cricket will be affected. My condolences to Bob's family. May the perpetrators of this act be caught and the whole truth be revealed. R.I.P Bob

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  • Shehzad on March 23, 2007, 11:40 GMT

    I am saddened and shocked to see that someone could be murdered over a game. No doubt money is involved but what seems surprising is that someone would wish to harm such a gentleman. I wonder where the game will go from here and how Pakistani cricket will be affected. My condolences to Bob's family. May the perpetrators of this act be caught and the whole truth be revealed. R.I.P Bob

  • Kiran Ahmed on March 23, 2007, 11:50 GMT

    We must honor Bob's memory by naming something major after him - like the National Academy Residence for example. Bob lived at the NCA when he was in Pakistan so the residential block should be called the Bob Woolmer Residence. Another thing we can do to honor Bob's memory is to make sure that SOB Miandad never coaches Pakistan again. When the news broke on HumTV with Miandad was barely containing his smile.

  • Nabeel on March 23, 2007, 12:09 GMT

    Hi there,

    I think you are indead right if you say that the indentiy of the murderer will be even a greater shock. As far as honouring bob (may allah rest his soul) is concerned we surly have to respect his visions and set up a institute like that. The danger however is that with bob not being with us any more this project will be in danger of getting in the slump that pakistani cricket is and has been for so many years.

  • Reehan on March 23, 2007, 12:11 GMT

    Great suggestion, but inappropriat at this time as I think attention should rightfully turn on whether the tournament should go ahead or not. I think its shameful the way a criminal investigation is being superseeded by a sporting event. The police took 2 days to announce it was a murder investigation when it would have been obvious he was strangled. The Woolmer family deserves justice, and the players and guests of the hotel should have been questioned and finger printed on Sunday. The longer the investigation takes the less chance there is to catch the real killer(s). Instead the murder investigation only commenced once Pak team had played its last match. Im a cricket fan and deeply hurt and upset at whats happened but the best thing for Bob right now is not a memorial but some peace to his family that his killers have been brought to justice. Kamran, its a shame that cricket has become so self obsessed that we have lost sight of the value of human life and the principles of justice. Reehan

  • zain kazmi on March 23, 2007, 12:15 GMT

    iam very disappointed at this new3s and extremely worried about the situation, to be very honest i think we must be prepare for anything.rite now there is a lot to discuss but we sholud keep are fingers crosed at the moment bcoz its a matter of conutry's dignity.

  • Dr Khalid Husain on March 23, 2007, 12:16 GMT

    Astounding developments, just when you think it could not possibly get worse! I hope against hope that none of the Pakistani players are implicated in the murder investigations as suspects. Thank you for seeking a positive side on this tragic affair. Again the fortitude of the Woolmer family has beeen amazing. The Woolmer Institute is a wonderful idea!

  • zain kazmi on March 23, 2007, 12:17 GMT

    iam very disappointed at this news and extremely worried about the situation, to be very honest i think we must be prepare for anything.rite now there is a lot to discuss but we should keep are fingers crossed at the moment bcoz its a matter of conutry's dignity.

  • eddy on March 23, 2007, 12:23 GMT

    i cant believe Bob was murdered, this game we all love above all other sports is just that...a game. money and betting will ruin this game as it has this world cup. On a slightly lighter note can somebody please help me with this. Pakistan were D1 and W indies D2. now that Pakistan have gone who becomes D1 or D2 for that matter. D1 will surley be the group winners yet ive read on Cricinfo that D2 (W indies when tornament began)will play A1 Australia on tuesday. can anyone clear this up? God bless Bob and his family. Eddy

  • zain kazmi ( This article is on previous blog) on March 23, 2007, 12:24 GMT

    My friends I salute u on making some great comments on kamran abbasi’s blog. I don’t want to say my views on that rite now (since saying for the last 1 year on this blog) but I ve selected few comments made by few gentlemen which I thought really portrayed this nations feelings. some are very “funny” and some are related to “future cricket planning”. It took me an hour to select , edit and paste those. Anyway u got to read those and once again well done my friends. i supported with my views in brackets.()

    By: FahadQ at March 19, 2007 1:54 PM Bhaijan, I feel sorry for you at the moment. You are cranking out an article almost daily since the last couple of days. Aap na stress leyleyna! ( the most hilarious comment, good fahad)( kamran bhai that shows how much we care u and worry abt u)

    By: Sohail at March 19, 2007 2:51 PM All I know is this team has a blood on their hands. …….How self centered Inzi can be. A stubborn, lame and coward leader, who has turned the game into nothing but promoting his agenda and friends. retiring only from 1 day. Look at your belly "Aloo" and then look around, do you even fit to be considered as athlete. Spitting out few nice words will not wash away the blood this team has on their hand. They know in their hearts they are responsible for his death. (totally agree sohail. Players are responsible for bob’s death)

    By: Dealabc at March 19, 2007 4:55 PM When I saw Mushtaq Ahmed sitting with the Pakistani team during the opening ceremony, I knew that team had no chance. When will Pakistani cricktet get rid of such useless former cricketers? They are still in the same old mindset with same old tainted players. For God's sake, Now on Inzimam's retirement. I think he was thinking too much …………………. Except for Muhammad Yousuf, Younus, Sami and the rest don't deserve a place in an International team. Who the hell selected players like Rao, Anjum, Imran Nazir…….. They don't even deserve a place in a club team let alone an international team. Such club level cricketers have been given too much importance by the board and even public…….. Just look at Azhar Mamood. The guy thinks he is Viv Richard. (funniest haha) very well done dealabc

    By: Shahid at March 19, 2007 5:54 PM Bismillah-ir-Rahman-ir-Rahim First of all, thanks to Allah Yes, I means da boys they play well and they try the best but it is not the will of Allah that World Cup is ours………………. ( these opening comments were great , giving a familiar feeling of someone.. )

    By: ARZaidi at March 19, 2007 9:38 PM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Inzi must go from test cricket too. He is unfit and does not fit in Pakistani side on merit. For God's sake Inzi, let some youngster take your seat . You did play well in yester years but everyone who touches peak has to come down too. …. By: Ash Zed at March 19, 2007 1:43 PM With Pak elimination……….. With regard to Inzi, if he has made an emotional press conference, that does not mean he should be forgiven aqnd absolved of all the wrong doings. (U r absolutely right) He has inflicted irreparable damage to Pak cricket and its reputation. He must be eliminated from ODI and captaincy. However, I would like to see him playing in Test provided he is willing to bat at #4. Majed Khan should be appointed PCB head (totally agree). Although Imran is the best choice but I doubt he would accept the position. Afridi seems to be the only logical choice for captaincy for at least 5 years. Qaddafi Stadium should be renamed after Bob Woolmer.( best tribute really. Well done zed) Why do we need to name this beautiful stadium after Libya's...

    That sums up hope u people must have liked and enjoyed these.cant wait for kamran's next article! regards. thanx

  • EXPOSE PAK CRICKET on March 23, 2007, 12:26 GMT

    Dear Mr Abbasi,

    YOU ARE A VERY SENSIBLE AND ARTICULATE MAN WHEN IT COMES TO EXPRESSING YOUR VIEWS ON PAKISTAN CRICKET. I THEREFORE REQUEST YOU PUBLISH MY MAIL ON YOUR BLOG.

    FIRSTLY I WILL ECHO YOUR WORDS REGARDING BOB'S FAMILY, THEY ARE SHOWING AMAZING DIGNITY IN ALL THIS.

    HOWEVER NOW WE HAVE IT CONFIRMED THAT BOB WAS MURDERED, QUESTION THAT NEEDS ANSWERING IS BY WHOM? AND AND WHY?....

    I AM OF THE FIRM BELIEVE THAT IT WAS NOT AN IRRATE SUPPORTER, AS GIVEN THE FACTS IT IS VERY REMOTE. NOW LETS NOT BEAT ABOUT THE BUSH, EX PLAYERS IN THE GAME ALL ARE SAYING IT IS TO DO WITH MATCH FIXING, AND THIS SEEMS TO HOLD WATER.

    FIRSTLY IN ORDER FOR THEIR TO BE MATCH FIXING, THE PROCESS IS A TWO WAY THING PLAYERS AND BOOKIES WORKING TOGETHER. IT NOW MUST BE OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO FIND OUT WHO ARE INVOLVED FROM THE PAKISTAN TEAM? THEY MUST THEN FACE CRIMINAL CHARGES AND DEALT WITH THE MOST SEVERE WAY POSSIBLE. AFTER THIS THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR BOB'S DEATH SHOULD BE ROOTED OUT AND HUNG FOR THIS ACT.

    PAKISTAN OFFICALS MUST I STRESS MUST KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. THEY MUST FEEL THE WRATH OF THE INTERNATIONAL WORLD THAT IS THE CRICKET WORLD BE EXILED FROM PLAYING INTERNATIONAL CRICKET. THIS IS SURELY THE ANSWER, TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM WILL BE TO ELIMINATE THE PROBLEML; PAKISTAN CRICKET.

    IT JUST GOES TO REFLECT THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN PAKISTAN, CORRUPT TO THEIR BACK TOOTH, NO DIGNITY AND PRIDE. AS A GOOD HONEST MAN HAS PAID FOR HIS LIFE AND A FAMILY HAS LOST A FATHER A HUSBAND, I ASK YOU MR ABBASI TO HELP EXPOSE THESE CORRUPT ELEMENT OF PAKISTAN CRICKET.

    FINALLY, PAKISTAN SHOULD FACE POSSIBLE BAN FOR AS LONG AS THE ICC DEEM IS NECESSARY TO SOLVE THEIR CORRUPT HOUSE. PAKISTAN CRICKET IS A CANCER AND IS KILLING WORLD CRICKET. THESE ROGUE ELEMENTS MUST BE EXPOSED. ALSO I AM CERTAIN FROM WHAT I READ THAT PAK TEAM MEMBERS ARE INVOLVED AS IT COULD NOT TAKE PLACE WITHOUT THEIR INPUT. THEREFORE SHAME ON THEM SHAME SHAME. THAT THEY WOULD SETTLE FOR A FEW DOLLARS IN LIEU OF THEIR SELF RESPECT AND PRIDE OF THE NATION.

    WE MUST ALL STOP PRETENDING THAT IT DOES NOT EXIST, AND ELIMINATE THEM FROM PAK CRICKET.

    PS BEST WAY TO REMEMBER BOB WOULD BE NO TROPHY BUT TO EXPOSE AND CHANGE PAKISTAN CRICKET INTO WHAT HE WANTED. FAIR AND HONEST PLAY.