Pakistan cricket January 12, 2011

Justice is best delayed

Pakistan's ex-cricketers are lining up to condemn a delay in the spot-fixing verdict. Zaheer Abbas, Asif Iqbal, Rashid Latif, and Sarfraz Nawaz have all joined the chorus
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Pakistan's ex-cricketers are lining up to condemn a delay in the spot-fixing verdict. Zaheer Abbas, Asif Iqbal, Rashid Latif, and Sarfraz Nawaz have all joined the chorus. Yet they miss the point. It matters little whether or not these players are available for the next World Cup. How important is that tournament when the integrity of cricket and future of cricketers is at stake?

Above all, the verdict that Michael Beloff and his team reach must be a considered one based on the evidence that has been presented to them. They will understandably take some time to digest the events in Doha. At the end of that deliberation the verdict must be one that can be substantiated. Any verdict against the players will inevitably meet with an appeal, most likely against a process which the players and their legal representatives have already muttered about.

On the face of it -- and a behind-closed-doors hearing doesn't present much of a face --punishments can be expected. Salman Butt, in particular, must be dreading a life ban. Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir will be hoping that they have sufficiently distanced themselves from any evidence of corruption. But the ICC is clearly in no mood to allow the players to escape. If any of the players emerges with a career that can be rescued, Pakistan fans should consider that a bonus.

The players and the cricket world are in limbo until 5th February while lawyers mull what they have heard. In their hearts most Pakistan fans wish that Amir, at least, is somehow innocent. But smoke signals from Doha have not been encouraging, and the players look to have only earned a stay of execution.

The best supporters of Pakistan cricket, however, can only want a fair verdict. If any corrupt players are lost to international cricket then so be it.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • Khair on January 20, 2011, 13:29 GMT

    It is just as well that the ICC is taking some time to come to a decision. Hopefully, this extended time will allow them to come to the most appropriate decision. It may even result in slightly more favourable outcomes from the perspective of many emotional supporters who are prepared to overlook blemishes on the part of the accused players. If the decision were to be taken hurriedly as some are demanding, I am afraid the outcome would have been very damning for the accused players. There should be no dilemma here. If fans really want good for the cricket of Pakistan, then it is important that the right decision is taken. The guilty ones should be exposed and punished and allowances should be made for any mitigating circumstances. If found not guilty they should be quickly exonerated.

  • faraz on January 15, 2011, 20:23 GMT

    You will be seeing the proofs very soon as ICC have promised to show all the truths after the judgement...

  • Hammad Qadir on January 15, 2011, 12:35 GMT

    As to why there are only 10 test playing nations. Well it is to maintain quality of cricket at the highest level. There is a reason why Australia has done so well over the years, and for that matter England are now taking the driving seat. It is because they have a select set of teams that compete in the top league. Do you really want to sit through countless matching round the year between Australia and Canada or a million "istans"? What would that serve? And this is the reason why Pakistan's domestic structure is so week.

    And I agree with Kamran Abbasi. Whether these cricketers play in the world cup or not is irrelevant when you consider the larger picture. Besides, given the largely differing stories, it is no longer a binary affair.

    And regarding the conspiracy theory, everything in this world is governed by economics. If anyone can tell me that there is monetary benefit associated with keeping these players on the sideline, then I am all ears.

  • Ibk on January 14, 2011, 22:00 GMT

    A.Ali has made a good point here, which no one really is thinking. what proof does anyone have that proves beyond reasonable doubt that these players are guilty?

    Can anyone tell me? Does anyone know?

  • Marlo on January 14, 2011, 20:24 GMT

    @ANIK you are only partly right. On papirs yes, IPL is india's domestic tournament so any one complaining for non inclusion is wrong, but then tell me (1) why is BCCI asking ICC to provide a window for IPL so that players from all the nations can participate. Would ICC then provide the same to every other domestic league. (2) How does ICC allow India to conduct champions trophy. Isn't it as if Italy was allowed by EUFA to run football champions trophy for European clubs. Don't you think, it is a valid ICC event which is hijacked by BCCI and a couple of other greedy boards. (3) How does ICC let centerly contracted elite umpires officiate a domestic competition of a single country. (4) Don't you think, it was a cheep practice when pakistani players were invited by the frencises and BCCI to put forward there names only for them not to bid for any single player.

  • Saiful Ansari, VA USA on January 14, 2011, 20:05 GMT

    ICC has dragged its feet for almost 6 months to try the 3 Pakistan players charged with spot fixing. One might say: they are innocent till proven guilty. Mr.Lorgat has reiterated that ICC has very compelling evidence against Butt, Amir & Asif. If that is right, why the ICC tribunal headed by M.Beloff needs till Feb 05, 2011 to give a verdict in the case? Is it fair for the ICC to suspend the accused players for months without pronouncing them guilty? Is there an Association of Professional Cricket players? If it exists, why it has not intervened on behalf of the players? If the accused are found not guilty can they sue ICC for defamation and loss of playing fees? The fans need answers to questions including the ones mentioned above. Justice delayed is justice denied. Deprived of the services of two quality bowlers Pakistan will play WC with diminished prospects of winning this prestigious event. Yet in every fans brave heart lurks a glitter of hope of triumph against heavy odds.

  • A.Ali on January 14, 2011, 19:16 GMT

    Spot-fixing is a crime and this alleged crime was commited on British Soil and this is why Scotland Yard is investigating the alleged crime. If the players are charged of spot-fixing then the case will go to British Court System. 6 months have passed and Scotland Yard has not charged the 3 players, Why? because there is no concrete evidence against the 3 players. ICC's tribunal is not a court of law and they can accept any lame evidence or statements from shady charaters which may not hold up in proper court of law and a verdict based on their openions. If these players are not charged in British Court System ever, then I will consider this fiasko as Conpiracy by ICC against Pakistan Cricket.

  • ANIK on January 14, 2011, 14:11 GMT

    someone dont understand if IPL has not taken any pakistani players in their local leage or if aus doesnt allow indians to play seffield shield its up to that organization and ICC and some persons speaking cannot change a thing. and obvious in the current setuation for the safety of paks cricketers it better not to be part of IPL as any one would find this oppertunity to disturb the IPL as it is a private party so they dont want pollitical or and other disturbance. even if there is any chance of termoil involving tendulkar or whole aus They would omit them as well. this is pure business not cricket only. SO when speak 1st read about IPL

  • Jim on January 14, 2011, 11:52 GMT

    We all know that if these 3 players are cleared they can be selected for the WC and there is a chance for the pakistan team to win the title. Even the ICC know this. That is why the are delaying the verdict..... Otherwise there is no such reason for the verdict to be delayed. I am sure that the ICC will again postpone the verdict after February 5...

  • Ali on January 14, 2011, 8:48 GMT

    6 months and still nothing. If they want to clear cricket from any type of corruption they have to act quicker than this. Either clear them or convict them and let's move on. Don't drag it forever.

  • Khair on January 20, 2011, 13:29 GMT

    It is just as well that the ICC is taking some time to come to a decision. Hopefully, this extended time will allow them to come to the most appropriate decision. It may even result in slightly more favourable outcomes from the perspective of many emotional supporters who are prepared to overlook blemishes on the part of the accused players. If the decision were to be taken hurriedly as some are demanding, I am afraid the outcome would have been very damning for the accused players. There should be no dilemma here. If fans really want good for the cricket of Pakistan, then it is important that the right decision is taken. The guilty ones should be exposed and punished and allowances should be made for any mitigating circumstances. If found not guilty they should be quickly exonerated.

  • faraz on January 15, 2011, 20:23 GMT

    You will be seeing the proofs very soon as ICC have promised to show all the truths after the judgement...

  • Hammad Qadir on January 15, 2011, 12:35 GMT

    As to why there are only 10 test playing nations. Well it is to maintain quality of cricket at the highest level. There is a reason why Australia has done so well over the years, and for that matter England are now taking the driving seat. It is because they have a select set of teams that compete in the top league. Do you really want to sit through countless matching round the year between Australia and Canada or a million "istans"? What would that serve? And this is the reason why Pakistan's domestic structure is so week.

    And I agree with Kamran Abbasi. Whether these cricketers play in the world cup or not is irrelevant when you consider the larger picture. Besides, given the largely differing stories, it is no longer a binary affair.

    And regarding the conspiracy theory, everything in this world is governed by economics. If anyone can tell me that there is monetary benefit associated with keeping these players on the sideline, then I am all ears.

  • Ibk on January 14, 2011, 22:00 GMT

    A.Ali has made a good point here, which no one really is thinking. what proof does anyone have that proves beyond reasonable doubt that these players are guilty?

    Can anyone tell me? Does anyone know?

  • Marlo on January 14, 2011, 20:24 GMT

    @ANIK you are only partly right. On papirs yes, IPL is india's domestic tournament so any one complaining for non inclusion is wrong, but then tell me (1) why is BCCI asking ICC to provide a window for IPL so that players from all the nations can participate. Would ICC then provide the same to every other domestic league. (2) How does ICC allow India to conduct champions trophy. Isn't it as if Italy was allowed by EUFA to run football champions trophy for European clubs. Don't you think, it is a valid ICC event which is hijacked by BCCI and a couple of other greedy boards. (3) How does ICC let centerly contracted elite umpires officiate a domestic competition of a single country. (4) Don't you think, it was a cheep practice when pakistani players were invited by the frencises and BCCI to put forward there names only for them not to bid for any single player.

  • Saiful Ansari, VA USA on January 14, 2011, 20:05 GMT

    ICC has dragged its feet for almost 6 months to try the 3 Pakistan players charged with spot fixing. One might say: they are innocent till proven guilty. Mr.Lorgat has reiterated that ICC has very compelling evidence against Butt, Amir & Asif. If that is right, why the ICC tribunal headed by M.Beloff needs till Feb 05, 2011 to give a verdict in the case? Is it fair for the ICC to suspend the accused players for months without pronouncing them guilty? Is there an Association of Professional Cricket players? If it exists, why it has not intervened on behalf of the players? If the accused are found not guilty can they sue ICC for defamation and loss of playing fees? The fans need answers to questions including the ones mentioned above. Justice delayed is justice denied. Deprived of the services of two quality bowlers Pakistan will play WC with diminished prospects of winning this prestigious event. Yet in every fans brave heart lurks a glitter of hope of triumph against heavy odds.

  • A.Ali on January 14, 2011, 19:16 GMT

    Spot-fixing is a crime and this alleged crime was commited on British Soil and this is why Scotland Yard is investigating the alleged crime. If the players are charged of spot-fixing then the case will go to British Court System. 6 months have passed and Scotland Yard has not charged the 3 players, Why? because there is no concrete evidence against the 3 players. ICC's tribunal is not a court of law and they can accept any lame evidence or statements from shady charaters which may not hold up in proper court of law and a verdict based on their openions. If these players are not charged in British Court System ever, then I will consider this fiasko as Conpiracy by ICC against Pakistan Cricket.

  • ANIK on January 14, 2011, 14:11 GMT

    someone dont understand if IPL has not taken any pakistani players in their local leage or if aus doesnt allow indians to play seffield shield its up to that organization and ICC and some persons speaking cannot change a thing. and obvious in the current setuation for the safety of paks cricketers it better not to be part of IPL as any one would find this oppertunity to disturb the IPL as it is a private party so they dont want pollitical or and other disturbance. even if there is any chance of termoil involving tendulkar or whole aus They would omit them as well. this is pure business not cricket only. SO when speak 1st read about IPL

  • Jim on January 14, 2011, 11:52 GMT

    We all know that if these 3 players are cleared they can be selected for the WC and there is a chance for the pakistan team to win the title. Even the ICC know this. That is why the are delaying the verdict..... Otherwise there is no such reason for the verdict to be delayed. I am sure that the ICC will again postpone the verdict after February 5...

  • Ali on January 14, 2011, 8:48 GMT

    6 months and still nothing. If they want to clear cricket from any type of corruption they have to act quicker than this. Either clear them or convict them and let's move on. Don't drag it forever.

  • Aamir on January 14, 2011, 7:59 GMT

    I totally agree with the view posted by Mr. Bilal Mustafa. Actually ICC role in spot fixing and corruption should also under consideration. ICC is not an independent body every member give it share to run it why PCB is not showing strong step to protect the players it is something doubtful

  • Aziz-ul-Qadir on January 14, 2011, 7:58 GMT

    Dear Mr. Kamran! You have given your verdict even before ICC. Bravo!

  • Syed Arbab Ahmed on January 14, 2011, 7:10 GMT

    If any of the three or all three are proved that they were not involved in spot fixing then, ICC must allow them to play in the world cup, due date for world cup player's name over or not, as they already served a ban for no reason as nothing is proved, but if any wrongdoing is proved then ICC should make an example of them.

  • Jawaid Mohsin Malik on January 14, 2011, 6:57 GMT

    A good article. Till proved they are innocent. What a nation are we? Every one used to tell the match is fixed. Players are involved. They should be brought to book. Now when they are under trial we are sympathesizers. Let the justice take its due course and justice should prevail. Justice delayed is justice denied. At this moment let us pray for the trio.It should be an eye opener for other players.

  • Salman Aslam on January 14, 2011, 6:24 GMT

    whats the heck you are saying Mr Kamran. why are you discouraging us (Pakis). If you want to make any statement make it with evidence. i m quite a liberal person but being a true fan of Paki cricket i must have say this " its disgusting"

  • Furqan Lakhani on January 14, 2011, 5:51 GMT

    M agree with bilal the jurry has heard everything . I think Indian cricket board involve in this matter And dectet ICC.

  • Oq on January 14, 2011, 5:25 GMT

    for once i agree with you.

  • Amin on January 14, 2011, 5:08 GMT

    yes 25 days are way too much

  • Saiful Ansari, Leesburg VA USA on January 14, 2011, 4:43 GMT

    All evidence so far is pointing against the three players. The fans realize that integrity of Pakistan cricket is at stake. The supporters of the team like to see Pakistan win the World Cup. They also understand that in absence of two quality bowlers currently suspended and likely to get life bans, Pakistan stands little or no chance of getting to the round of four.

    The Trio does not deserve any sympathy, unless they can prove their innocence. In that scenario, they should boldly admit their guilt and devote their lives to help eradicate any form of corruption from the sport of Cricket. If the Trio does elect to appeal the judgement of the tribunal after being pronounced guilty, the matter of spot fixing will remain in limelight without any hope of vindication in a higher court.

  • naseer aakhtar on January 14, 2011, 4:34 GMT

    yeah if any player is corrupt then he should be punished it is in the interest of pak as well as world cricket .but i do pray for amir .. my good wishes are with amir

  • Ahsan Iqbal on January 14, 2011, 4:18 GMT

    I agree if proven guilty these players should be handed a fair verdict. However, seeing how in today's cricket world T20 is the cash cow, and how BCCI has managed to destroy the ICL; how come the ICC never stepped in when these Pakistani players were being discriminated against at the IPL auction. No one can deny their talents, but isnt it the responsibility of the ICC being the governing body for the game to make sure that politics do not influence the game, that no one is being discriminated or judged against based on their religion, nationality or sexual orientation. What is the point of having a governing body when it conveniently excuses itself from controversial issues, citing them to be the headache for the national boards? To see how these talented cricketers were being denied their right to earn through the lucrative signings of the IPL, are people really that surprised that they are currently involved in this scandal? All I am saying is, maybe... this could have been avoided.

  • Aoun Hassan on January 14, 2011, 1:56 GMT

    I am not 100% sure if this further delay will help the players or not but one good thing about this delay is that it will give tribunal some time to consider the defense of these players. Since this incident happened, the judges have been confined to one side of the story and players were not even heard once to present their side of story. When players appealed against their ban, you got a feeling as if they had already decided not uplift then ban. Now once these players have put their defense on the table, I believe it is good that tribunal will have that in mind for some time before making a final verdict. As you said, being a true cricket fan, I just hope that talent like Amir somehow get away with this, at the same time, what ever the truth is, justice must be done.

  • AVMD on January 14, 2011, 0:08 GMT

    I don't agree, at all. True , any player found guilty should be punished, even if life ban, I don't care. But, six months is a long enough time to reach the virdict. What, if someone is found not guilty, his ban keep getting prolonged , even before he the virdict is reached. All of them are out of world cup, a harsh punishment for the players and the national team, even before the virdict is reached. You think ICC would have been doing the same had the players were from a stronger board ?

  • tarek on January 13, 2011, 23:25 GMT

    Agree with you Mr Kamran. It appears that Salman's playing days are over and Asif being a repeat offender will be punished while Amir will get his hands slapped. Salman Butt was in the position to stop all this corruption but got greedy. He shamed Pakistani all over the world. When would ICC go after w/k Kamran Akmal for selling out the Sydney test.

  • Ibk on January 13, 2011, 20:32 GMT

    I think the whole saga is just one joke.

    The Pak board (and players) handled the whole situation very badly. First off, the players should have sacked their 'agent', and made this clear to the public. The board should have reacted instantly and suspended all players involved until further investigation. Instead, we get a complete and total farce.

    I was really surprised at the ICC, a governing body, whose head make statements such as he did, a really great way of showing your ‘zero tolerance’ policy.

    I also feel that the ICC, Scotland Yard or whoever do not actually have sufficient evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt that these players accepted money for spot fixing. The ICC will probably give them big punishments, long bans, and the players will simply appeal against it, and probably win. I also think that Salman Butt is going to get the heaviest punishment. I think Asif & Amir have pretty much indirectly blamed him for it. Who knows, I maybe wrong!!

  • Wissam on January 13, 2011, 19:28 GMT

    Being a fan of Pakistan cricket team, I want a fair verdict, and honestly don't care who looses it's career even if it was Mohammed Amir. However I believe ICC is taking unnecessarily long time to put an end to this saga. 6 days of proceeding should not take longer than 6 days to digest. There was no reason to delay it for a month unless the Judges are not in agreement with a unanimous decision on the verdict.

  • siraj hassan on January 13, 2011, 17:28 GMT

    Kamran, Even after a murder trail the verdict is announced sooner than this. They need a month more? I am sorry but it may not be important for you that whoever gets exonerated should get to play the world cup but for Pakistan, this may be the difference between a quick exit or a longer stay in the tournament. No one is saying that these players should be favored or any leniency be shown. There is an uproar because this seems like delaying tactics by the ICC to ensure that match / spot fixing controversies do not hit the world cup. Well, I have news for them, look at the venues of the world cup ! :) It is bound to happen. With or without the trio.

  • Salman.G on January 13, 2011, 17:27 GMT

    Being a true supporter of Pakistan cricket, I obviously want to be rid of the corruption in the team and hope the tribunal reaches a fair verdict. However, I can't help but wish Amir is cleared regardless of whether he is guilty or not. Asif, having previously broken ICC rules, perhaps deserves it and Salman Butt should have been a responsible captain, but Amir seems to possess that aura of innocence that indicates that it was not his idea but just him following the orders of his captain. As a true Pakistani supporter, I believe he deserves a second chance regardless of whether he is guilty or not

  • Ali on January 13, 2011, 17:08 GMT

    I am hoping for a fair unbiased verdict. If they are not guilty then welcome back if not then as we know it, it would be a big lost to Pakistan cricket.

    I've no hope of Pakistan winning this World Cup whether these three are in the team or not.

  • Abid Shah Mashwani on January 13, 2011, 16:57 GMT

    The best piece of this article is "The best supporters of Pakistan cricket, however, can only want a fair verdict. If any corrupt players are lost to international cricket then so be it."

    Well said.

    Abid

  • Naveed Ahmad on January 13, 2011, 16:52 GMT

    I agree with the last comment. No room for corruption. I like to remind people that same corruption cost us the quarter final against India in the world cup. Same corruption cost us so many disheartening losses in Pakistani cricket. I hope ICC does the right thing and give a fair verdict. If these players can't make it in the 2011 world cup, so be it.

  • Bilal Mustafa on January 13, 2011, 16:52 GMT

    Dear Kamran!! I am quite a regular reader of what ever you writ on cricinfo but i would show a disagreament here. I think the jurry has heard to everything and posses every evidence so why the hell do they require almost 25 days to give their verdict :-o. 2-3 days would had been enough................

  • John Price on January 13, 2011, 16:39 GMT

    I am amazed at the stance taken by Amir's lawyer. It seems from such reports as have emerged that Amir has pleaded not guilty and saying he did not bowl the no balls deliberately. Meanwhile, Amir's lawyer goes on the record to say that he hopes Amir's age and good record will be taken into account in determining the punishment. If he believes what his own client is saying, then why is he talking about punishment? Presumably the players' guilt is obvious and he sees no point in pretending otherwise. So why didn't they plead guilty? Pretending they have done nothing wrong and, in consequence, lying under oath will only serve to increase their punishment. Meanwhile, can someone tell the ex-Pakistan players that missing the World Cup will be the least of the three players' problems when the verdicts come through.

  • Nadeem Kureshi on January 13, 2011, 16:20 GMT

    We have to be rational about the whole thing. We do not love these players more than we love Pakistan's cricket. People come and go; the sport stays.

  • Mujtaba on January 13, 2011, 16:18 GMT

    Corrupt players must be punished irrespective of the implications on individual teams bench strengths. It also puts greater responsibility on ICC in future to be as strict and as straight with other boards, more powerful than PCB, as they have been with Pakistan. A life ban because of spot fixing is still a harsh punishment to my liking but if match fixing has been proved then it asks for sterner action than a life ban. ICC must also bring their house in order, if a newspaper reporter can unearth such an incident than what the hell is ICC surveillance team is doing, taking fat salaries and enjoying siestas.

  • Imran Chandio on January 13, 2011, 16:12 GMT

    Assalamu Alikum Kamran Bhai, and also to all pakistanis all over thw world that read this, I find it so so hard to not feel victimised as a loyal British Pakistani I feel like the whole world has been against our team and our boys. Pakistan coming to play in England is like all Eids have come at once, we take days off work to go and watch our beloved Pakistan, however recent times have shown me that Pakistan face a tough task or have faced a tough task in the past few years, which makes it seem like nobody likes us and wants us to succeed. However I maybe wrong, we as Pakistan fans can sometimes try and lay the blame on someone but untimatly we must look at our own players and wonder why they do these things. it's totally crazy to think that 2 of Pakistan's and the worlds best bowlers are now suspended, it is hard to imagine our team without them, they are amazing bowlers, I think personaly all 3 will be banned, and for life, I hope not but we must face facts.

  • Omair on January 13, 2011, 16:10 GMT

    Good piece. Any cricket fan, specifically Pakistan supporters, fairness. We don't appreciate all the smoke screens being created on what actually happened. We want to know for sure if these players were involved or not in bowling those no balls intently. If the charge is established beyond any reasonable doubt, nothing less than life bans for Butt and Asif. I would want the same for Aamer but only for his age. Not because of his talent or bright prospect. One does feel that a semi-educated teenager can be guilty of an indiscretion if his seasoned team players cajole him into it.

  • Mohammad Asad on January 13, 2011, 16:05 GMT

    Mohammad Asad from USA ......................................... What about 'justice delayed - justice denied'??????????????????? But here I hope 'justice best delayed' since they have taken some time to digest the Doha events and to present a fair verdict ....

  • harshvardhan on January 13, 2011, 16:00 GMT

    everyone knows the outcome of this tribunal hearing butt,asif for life and amir for well not more than 5 years infact all should be handed a very hefty fine and since its not a ban given by PCB (hahaha) may be 2 to 3 million USD that should really help the cause and next time any cricketer be it pakistani,sl,sa will think thrice to do something like this and obviously indians,aussies and english are class apart and are heavily paid i dont need to go in detail its known to everyone sachin,msd,yuvi,pup,watto

  • Ram.R on January 13, 2011, 15:29 GMT

    Crisp and clear as always...... Well said Kamranji. When respected ex- cricketers talk about players not being able to practice or be selected to world cup squads, it is very obvious that they don't understand the gravity of the charges, and the impact that the verdict will have on the game of cricket for a long time to come. As much as we would love for talent to be showcased, a price has to be paid even if plain stupidity is the reason for someone as young as Amir to get tangled in this horrible mess that destroys the game from within.

  • BIlal Fayyaz on January 13, 2011, 15:22 GMT

    Kamran,

    That is the sad part, isn't it? Pakistani ppl in general have went off the road so badly that ethics and following rules and regulations just isn't important to them any more. This starts with a driver running a red light to paying off a cop so they don't have to go to the court. Carelessness for law and order, not caring about repercussions of one action on the society are something no one even thinks of these days. This thinking has filtered down to our support for three cricketers who were absolutely involved in corruption to some extent yet we still hope they come and represent the country even if they drag its name through dirt being a part of the elite team of Pakistan. It's a very sad state of affairs and one we cannot stress on enough.

  • Remagen on January 13, 2011, 14:57 GMT

    "The best supporters of Pakistan cricket, however, can only want a fair verdict. If any corrupt players are lost to international cricket then so be it." - Been watching my team play for 25 years now. Haven't missed a single series. And with that comment there in the end, you've summed it up perfectly! I do not wish Amir escapes a life ban if he's guilty. Butt and Asif, have had one chance too many. If banning all three players will deter the rest from even entertaining such thoughts again, please, do us fans this favour Beloff!

  • Doc on January 13, 2011, 14:31 GMT

    I am a die hard paki cricket fan. I say punish them all and let us get a clean image of our cricket and country. It is sickening to see these cricketers smiling on the cameras and hoping for a pardon. What pardon. Crooks are crooks. PUNISH THEM!

  • Abid Umar on January 13, 2011, 14:11 GMT

    I am very much agreed with Kamran Abbasi. These ex cricketers are just showing the common metality prevails in Pakistan that there must be some kind of conspiracy theory behind these players. They dont have a vision how to handle corruption or stand firm against the match fixing. I believe its very nice move to review all the evidance and defence offered in the case and make a unaminous decision, its will remove this thought that the judges were pre-set minded about the verdict. But Iam still worried about, after all this drama, what steps have been taken by the ICC for the appointment of a player's agent

  • Issam Ahmed on January 13, 2011, 13:44 GMT

    Well said

  • Rajesh on January 13, 2011, 13:36 GMT

    Well written and well said words... It was surprising to see so much support for Butt and Asif in comments for previous articles.. On the match fixing allegations in 2000s, Indian board did take a tough stand on a few cricketers and we see its benefit now... the next generation of cricketers were scarred to get involved in fixing... I think PCB also has a role to play in sending strong message to the players... and it would be good for Pakistan cricket, which being an Indian, we eagerly want to see at its best...

  • Rambo on January 13, 2011, 13:29 GMT

    I suppose this will go on forever, like what is going on with so called pakistani fans wishing for acquittal for Amir. Does anyone remember that the same thing happened for Asif, back when he first got into trouble with illegal drugs in his system? Punishment was reduced, citing exactly same reason. Back then all these fans similarly sang the same tune, Shoaib should be punished but not Asif due to his age. What has that done for Asif? Now that Asif is a little older, now you want Amir to escape punishment but not Asif. Ya few years down the line you will lose Amir too. What's the point of all this? Why can't you get the severity of these crimes? If Amir took money to bowl noballs, he should be banned, at the very least for a year. Same should happen for Asif a 1 year ban. However, I don't think life-ban is warranted for any of the 3. Although something like a life-ban is a good idea, for Butt, for example 5 years ban makes sense to me. The reason is this cannot be proven beyond doubt.

  • Ali Hussain on January 13, 2011, 13:25 GMT

    Kamran bhai - I am in agreement with what you say in the majority. However, a six day trial with months of preparation and no verdict? Could the reason just be the evidence produced by the NOTW is circumstancial - there is no proof there to find these players guilty. I am in agreement the video evidence is telling - but if it was enough the players would have been charged and that would have been the end of the story. Something must be holding them back, there must be something which they can't fathom. Forget the World Cup - I dont think Amir or whoever else is acquitted (if that is the decison) would have played anyway - this comes down to the evidence over 42 hours of proceedings - if they cant prove it in that time then im sorry the verdict should be not guilty...simple as that!

  • Omar Hussain on January 13, 2011, 13:18 GMT

    We can only hope that justice prevails but all three players have been tainted with corruption amd these blemishes are not easily forgotten or forgiven;especially the case with Salman Butt is damning.anyways as it hs been evident Pakistan have several potential players to fill the gaps and let's hope they don't fall into the same trap as Aamir...what a waste of great talent.

  • Captain Swing on January 13, 2011, 12:56 GMT

    I am an Englishman, but that does not stop me hoping for a favourable result. If Amir and Asif are able to continue their bowling careers Masha'Allah, just think how powerful the Pakistan team would be. With Younis and Yussuf batting in the middle order there is a real chance of the world number one spot.

  • sher muhammad on January 13, 2011, 12:43 GMT

    I agree that delay does not matter if fair decision is met. More than any one of these three, i guess Kamran Akmal is bigger culprit. He is more suspicious than any one in the team. Look at his delibrate missed run outs and dropped catches in test against Aus (where Hussey extended lead with last pair). I am so sad that this bad man is again in team..i am sure he has a strong back otherwise his performance with gloves as well as bat is also very poor.

  • Bilal Hussain on January 13, 2011, 12:39 GMT

    this is a conspiracy - to keep top pakistani players away from worldcup by certain people / boards. if Butt was culprit, he should have been handed a ban or only his decision could have moved to 5th Feb, rest of players specially Amir should have been released. secondly why ICC need 4 weeks to decide..why not a week or 2. give players time to prepare for worldcup if they turn out to be innocent...5th feb means that even if they are acquitted, they would still be out of worldcup .it has taken ICC already 5 months..what difference 4 weeks will make now...they will fail to gather evidence now. if there were proofs, ICC would have them by now. Inside ICC, they know their case is weak and they do not have concrete evidence to impose life ban on players.

  • Effy on January 13, 2011, 12:14 GMT

    I dont understand why they are hanging the players like this if the stupid ICC cant make a decision, until they are proven guilty they should be considered innocent, thats how it should be. Had they been from Australia or England I bet they would have been playing and even if found guilty gone scot free like Mark Waugh, Shane Warne and Tim May etc.... Its a delibrate ploy to keep them away form world cup beacause Amir and Asif can be o deadly, the trio should be allowed to play in the world cup, PCB wake up....

  • Owais on January 13, 2011, 12:14 GMT

    Mr. Abbasi,

    I hope some day that indian money from your account runs out so that for sonce you write some thing positive on Pakistan's cricket team.

  • H.Malik on January 13, 2011, 11:54 GMT

    Spot on Kamran , I fully agree with your assertions . Those now yearning for quick decision , would have been at the forefront of flouting it and terming it "injustice in haste" had the verdict been against any Pure all the Three Pures . World cup is not a reality but a nightmarish dream for our nation . If we could not do any justice 4 years ago and went down even to Ireland in group stages ! when we had the Greats like 2 Ws ( counter weight of Two As ) and a batman of the caliber Mauli Inzi , what can you expect from these 3 Yahoos ! The justice must be done and it must be examplory for the rest of the teams .... so what if it is delayed till Feb 5th ???

  • imran dada on January 13, 2011, 11:47 GMT

    ICC should take a swift action. If found guilty(which they are) ban them for life.No

  • raza on January 13, 2011, 11:27 GMT

    this wait is really absurd, so many months have gone by, still if you cant convince the jury then some one needs to really open up. i mean why provisionally suspend some one who is accused but you cant prove that in a weeks time. your haroon lorgat is always in the media speaking about the punishment before the accused are even proven guilty and in the same stride you cant decide what to do and who to ban? the investigation is good, the tribunal is good and i hope the verdict is fair and good as well but the wait is totally absurd!

  • The Champ is Here on January 13, 2011, 11:00 GMT

    "If any corrupt players are lost to international cricket then so be it!" That's the gist of this entire episode. We, as a nation should stop living in a state of denial. By any means, if these playesrs have muddled into swamps of leeches, then the best cure for them, for the world of cricket and for Pakistan itself is that these sick organs must be amputated! Once for all!

  • Shafqat Khan on January 13, 2011, 10:46 GMT

    Rightly said Kamran,the most important thing is that verdict should be fair,if the players are corrupt, they must be banned,and if they are innocent,then they should not be punished just for the sake of ICC trying to show its toughness..

  • Anosha on January 13, 2011, 10:41 GMT

    As a matter of fact everyone (except the real culprits) wants to have a fair verdict which can be substantiated. I wana discuss a factor which none of Pakistani ex-cricketers and other commentators are ignoring here is the psychological bearing of any verdict on the Pakistan playing elven in the World Cup. I think this verdict should be deferred until world Cup is over. Apparently Pakistan is not in daring need of including these players in world cup squad. They have sufficient cricketing talent and have proved this point in first test with NZ.

  • Ibrez on January 13, 2011, 10:40 GMT

    I really agree with Kamran bhai pakistani fans should feel as a bounus if any of these three(butt,aamir,asif) are rescued. The trio shud hv bn away 4m al thos things whch lukd risky for their careers afterall money is not evrything. I can just tel its a waste of great talents. Dont know wht wil be the outcome(verdict) Allah u alam

  • dagny Taggart on January 13, 2011, 10:31 GMT

    The PCB has alot to answer for. Their terrible management and lack of oversight has led us to this point, where 2 of our best players (Asif & Amir) are now fighting for their careers. Feb 5th will be a v sad day for PAK cricket fans if it results in life bans for Asif and Amir. Butt was a v ave opener anyway so his loss won't hurt as much as losing the 2 best opening bowlers in the world will

  • Shamaz Majid on January 13, 2011, 10:24 GMT

    I could not agree more; what everyone wants is a fair a considered verdict and one that can stand up to scrutiny.

    The initial plan to release a verdict on the last day of the trial was always absurd and downright stupid, if not ample evidence that the decisions had already been made by the ICC.

    As for Zaheer Abbas, Asif Iqbal, Rashid Latif and Sarfraz Nawaz, let them be. The world cares little for their opinions and Sarfraz Nawaz in particular is no friend of Pakistan cricket.

    I only hope that the guilty are punished severely and hope that Amir can salvage something from the current mess.

  • saqib rasool on January 13, 2011, 10:15 GMT

    Well said, I am Pakistani and i want severe punishments for them not only for dignity of sport but honour of the country [Pakistan]. I would like the PCB ban them life time if ICC show any leniency.

  • arehmani on January 13, 2011, 9:54 GMT

    In recent time Pakistan cricket made just about every record for the wrong reason, I suppose it will be the first of its kind under the ICC power to punish players for major transgression. I am pretty sure ICC will excercise its power, the magnifier is well & trully on ICC and the world is watching, will they get it it right? Whichever way it goes, it going to be an event before the workld cup.

  • Afzel M. Khan on January 13, 2011, 9:05 GMT

    It seems Kamran is basing his argument on the morality of the matter rather than legality of it, when all the proceedings went by closed doors with little evidence shared outside. I hope in the end legality will take precedence over the self-styled moral outrage. Better stop this hullabaloo at this moment, which amounts to influencing the final judgment. I hope the justices are not listening him and his ilks, and he is not their inner-conscience or a mouth piece!

  • mehmoodwarsi on January 13, 2011, 9:00 GMT

    now they have little time before hanging as mr. lorgate decide to do eveything against trio.if possible he himself sent them to prision we done mr. lorgate

  • asad on January 13, 2011, 8:35 GMT

    I completely agree that if they are corrupt ban them, but fans deserve to see the evidence, and the evidence must be stronger than that found against the likes of shane warne, mark waugh and hershel gibbs who were very clearly guilty of wrongdoing and admitted it yet got away with little more than slaps on the wrist..precedent in law must count for something but the icc has always lacked consistency and will probably cite newer tougher codes of conduct

  • Akhtar London on January 13, 2011, 8:32 GMT

    Totally agree that those who are moaning about the delay have missed the point. There is a lot at stake for the ICC who will be under pressure from all the other bodies who want to make money out of the sport but concerned that the image is being tarnished and numbers at test matches are reducing. I am also disappointed that only M Asif ran the only possible defence which was that he had been instructed to bowl a no ball type delivery for cricketing reasons and had no idea Butt was making money on the back of it. M Amir should have run the same defence and Butt should have been the fall guy as he is replaceable. Unfortunately M Amir has been poorly advised and seems to be maintaining that this is all coincidence or wrong rather than accepting the blindingly obvious. Meanwhile the dodgey M Asif has done well to get a good lawyer !!!!

  • Haroon on January 13, 2011, 8:19 GMT

    If our cricketers go then so PCB should also be investigated. What were the managers doing when this was happening under their eyes. We need answers. Why weren't the players warned. It was the duty of PCB to handle them and at least to warn them before things got too out of hand. All of this couldn't have happened without the knowledge of PCB. We in Pakistan have seen enough to know this for a fact. PCB is involved. And no wonder Butt keeps disappearing.

  • Swami on January 13, 2011, 8:07 GMT

    Finally a sensible and sober view ! The integrity of Pakistan cricket is more important than a world cup.

  • reasonhasvoice on January 13, 2011, 8:06 GMT

    exactly what consideration takes 25 days. its not as if they are waiting for some additional evidence they are probably going to read the statements agai. 25 DAYS? for reading what was said in 4 days? Also why wait 5 months before this hearing?

    Here is my bet (err sorry, i meant my guess): ICC, after their initial reaction, has figured out that proof of guilt required by a sleazy tabloid is not enough for police or courts or tribunals.

    They are trying to cool stuff down and put enough time between their earlier hasty statements and ultimate decision for people to forget their initial follies.

    Frankly, its not bookies and corrupt players which will do this game in, its idiotic bad lawyers running ICC who will.

  • Gauhar on January 13, 2011, 7:58 GMT

    Continued Corruption in cricket must end. To Mr Beloff and colleagues: please deliver a fair but robust verdict, to deter other cricketers from engaging in corrupt practices in future. But please be considerate towards Amir. He is young and impressionable, and has possibly been lead astray. In view of his previously unblemished record, he deserves another chance.

  • Emad Abro on January 13, 2011, 7:53 GMT

    Life ban is a light reprieve. Criminal cases would be more appropraite. Given that no remorse has been shown any any of the three (or admission of guilt) no sympathy is deserved especially for Amir.

  • Raks on January 13, 2011, 7:49 GMT

    very well written article Kamran. This is what we expect from authors. An unbiased opinion. Hope the ex-cricketers learn from you.

  • j on January 13, 2011, 7:21 GMT

    let the justice prevail. if these players are guilty let them face life bans. pakistan is mine of great cricketers it dons not make them any difference if 3 players faces life bans . inshalla

  • Naveed Khan on January 13, 2011, 7:18 GMT

    Kamran Abbasi has to toe the line of ICC so that he could make a comfortable living from Cricket. This article just shows how much morally corrupt this writer is. Instead of questioning why did it take ICC 5 months to constitute a tribunal and why did they delay the decision, he is justifying delay so that ICC panel can deliver a fair judgment. Why are the players then suspended? To me it seems that Panel has reached a guilty verdict and now they need logical, legal constructs to justify it. What a pity that when panel gives a guilty verdict it would be based on the evidence and logic which the entire world knows. I strongly object to calling this article Pak Spin. It does not represent the view of a vast majority of Pakistan Cricket Fans. This represents the view of a corrupt and inept ICC. I do not want Kamran Abbasi to write about Pakistan. He does not deserve it. He is an insult to Pakistan and Pakistan Cricket.

  • Indian friend on January 13, 2011, 6:40 GMT

    I know Aamer is a good bowler, but just by screaming out loud doesnt change the truth. Why are Pakistan fans supporting someone who is guilty and dishonest. "Just one No-ball" doesnt affect the outcome, agreed. But whats wrong is wrong. Cannot justify whats illegal.

  • Gohar on January 13, 2011, 6:36 GMT

    Well written, no one is superior than the game itself. If someone is accused and they have the evidence then punish them!

  • Dr.Omar on January 13, 2011, 6:28 GMT

    I Am Surprised,They talk for few minutes and then they take a break... Like this they will take one year to solve one case... Lorgat said that he was confident for the charges but WHAT NOW...They could not proof the charges with Strong Evidence...

    "How important is that tournament when the integrity of cricket and future of cricketers is at stake?" You are right so ICC should think about it and should take the decision without delaying it...May Be They Have Seen This Adv "Have A Kit-Kat, Have A Break For 1 Month"

  • Tanweer Abbas on January 13, 2011, 6:14 GMT

    I don't disagree with you but I am skeptical about the reasons for the delay. Amir's lawyer requested delay saying his client will be better prepared in case of a tough decision. If it was me I would rather have it sooner so I am over this dreadful period. So why did he make this request which was exactly in line with what ICC wanted? Also I feel ICC is coming up with harsh penalty for at least one or may be more players & since appeals to higher authority is almost certain by the player(s) ICC wants to make sure they have covered themselves properly.

    The fact that the criminal case is still pending and no progress is being reported, I have a feeling that there is not much concrete evidence of wrong doing and hence the player(s) may get benefit of doubt at next level of appeal and somehow ICC may want to ensure that does not happen. They would look really bad if they find the players guilty & players are acquitted by a higher authority.

  • Tughral Turab Ali on January 13, 2011, 5:58 GMT

    Correct. The issue is here is not the world cup. Many world cups will come and go. The issue is not even about losing young talent. The issue is about the sort of game we want in Pakistan and also internationally. This is about principles and the spirit of Cricket. Lets all hope for justice to be served. We could have fixed this problem ourselves 10 years ago at the time of justice qayyum commission. Instead we spent the time in denial and now someone else has to come and fix the problem for us. If we couldnt do the neccessary ourselves lets at least support those who are doing it for us. Sounds a lot like the affairs of the state in general doesnt it?

  • Alchemist on January 13, 2011, 5:57 GMT

    Icc's mantra seems to be 'Guilty until proven otherwise'. Icc is not judging them, but rather proving them guilty. I think Butt may get 7year or more of ban, while as Asif and Amir get 2 year or more of ban, Amir's might further get curtailed seeing his past record and age.

  • Dr. Mubashir Hanif on January 13, 2011, 5:46 GMT

    Assalamoalikum!Rules are for fools, wise men make them, wise men break them. What happened when England could not find a solution to Bradman´s batting?And then what happened when Windies got some fierce bowling attack? And then what happened when Pakistan got reverse swing in 2 W´s and now the two A´s?Would you agree that Justice is not just looking at this incident?What I see is that if Pakistan would go with 2 A's into the world cup, they have a good chance, so lets injure the tiger. Can ICC bring lalit modi to the hearings?On the name of security problems,CBs (cricket bullies) want to sideline Pakistan and Pakistanis (the 2 Ps) I still salute the two Ps, they always come out winning. One sharad is the ICC chief executive and the other Sharad is in the Judiciary committe!I wish CBs were also questioned and cross questioned, but no, CB´s are clean, they are the wise men, they make the rules and they break the rules.Please dont forget a tiger is a tiger even if injured. peace

  • NOC on January 13, 2011, 5:33 GMT

    If they have really done it then no one deserves to play again. But if one or two of them are innocent then it would be harsh to punish the two for even a year. If no evidence I think the ICC does not have any right to just decide to punish them because some newspaper published something.

  • Ali on January 13, 2011, 5:30 GMT

    Agree with you Mr Abbasi but all evidence and details should be made public irrespective of the verdict. Only then the fans like myself can consider this a fair trial.

  • Faraz on January 13, 2011, 5:28 GMT

    Well i think they should all be punished extremely hard. And the videos presented are enough for anyone to give a verdict.

    secondly we keep saying that Pakistani fans want Aamir to be given a chance the reason is that he is good. If it was somebody like Naveed Anjum or Wahab Riaz or some other XYZ bowler who are only included in team because the actual talent is behind the bars because of their wrong doings - BELIEVE ME NOBODY HAVE BOTHERED. We want Aamir back because he is a real talent we saw another Wasim Akram in Making....so our sympathies with him. He was corrupted by his Captain or maybe other senior members. But this is professional cricket. They know clearly by religion or ethics whats right and whats wrong. If it was a doping test we all agree they do those stupid things and can claim they didn't knew even that is not the WHOLE TRUTH. But taking money and delivering No Balls, they should be punished - IF PROVEN GUILTY.

  • Ifti on January 13, 2011, 5:26 GMT

    Kamran, I could not agree with you more. Punishment must be deliberated, meant, and, appropriate. If a harsh decision is made then critics likely to complain was made in haste; is a mockery; etc. However, one wonders if ICC has any plans to take on the PCB which in my opinion is equally delinquent of controlling corruption, and, I daresay people tend to read between the lines.

  • Samir Ashraf on January 13, 2011, 5:12 GMT

    I have a lot of respect for you Kamran, however, I am confounded by one simple thing.

    Since the day NOTW reported the suspect no balls.. every single article (on newspaper, from any journalist we see) that I read implicitly declares the trio guilty. In every single piece, writers claim that 'ICC is no mood to let the players escape' or 'we will be surprised if they get away' or 'ICC will finally stamp its authority' etc.

    It just seems like a propaganda to create an environment where people are compelled to believe that these guys are guilty even though justice has not taken its course.

    For me, I would not hesitate to put life bans if these are found guilty. However, I strongly stand against using phrases in articles that implicitly declare these people guilty.

    If I were someone from ICC reading the current wave of articles, I would feel as if I will do something wrong and against popular voice if I do not punish the chaps (whether guilty or not).

  • Bilal on January 13, 2011, 5:04 GMT

    'The best supporters of Pakistan cricket, however, can only want a fair verdict. If any corrupt players are lost to international cricket then so be it.'

    I will change this to: 'The best supporters of cricket, however, can only want a fair verdict. If any corrupt players, not just from Pakistan are lost to international cricket then so be it.' The verdict is always only against Pakistani cricketers, the cricketers from other countries are always go scot free or just a slap on the wrist. Is that fair?

  • dee on January 13, 2011, 4:53 GMT

    A very precise and realistic analysis. Examples will be made on Feb 5th, will be a deterrent for all nations/players. Pakistan Fans have to face the music - they should really write these players off from any future team combinations ..

  • fourstars1 on January 13, 2011, 4:44 GMT

    The tribunal can take as long as they need by why are the players suspended. Ever heard of the concept of innocent until proven guilty? They should have been able to play until it is proven that they are guilty. But the truth is, ICC in its self is corrupt, just ignoring the strong and going off on the weak boards. Why is New Zealand or Australia being Investigated?

  • Shahid on January 13, 2011, 4:33 GMT

    Kamran Bhai, It may look like as you describe it but there is always a possiblity of outcome going either way. Many would still hope for a verdict where Amir goes free. I can understand that the trubnal needed some more time to reach their judgement but a months deferment is out of proportions. Lets say one player goes unpunished, than who is responsible for him not being able to play in WC.

  • Javaid Abbasi on January 13, 2011, 4:27 GMT

    I simply ask - why are these three players banned from playing when they have not yet even been convicted of the crime? The verdict does not even come out until February 5th and yet they are stopped from playing cricket. Having said that I myself believe that they are all guilty - and should be pronounced as such immediately - and should all be banned for life.

  • waqas on January 13, 2011, 4:18 GMT

    I agree with most part of the debate but despite senseless loyalties, one has to realize that its not the 'names' but the 'Men' who bring glories.Take a cue from recent test performance in NZ, who would image on paper that in kiwi conditions, this team can win,let alone with 10 wickets. Its sheer determination & honest effort which helped bring these laurels. So don't be sympathetic with Talented yet Corrupt names. If Amir survives, he 'll have to rethink his strategy for rest of his career, choose between wealth and/or honor. If no, then we have already suffered for a decade at the hands of Wasim Akram, we dont want anymore of that. Good luck to Pakistan Cricket

  • amjad on January 13, 2011, 4:14 GMT

    everybody knows that BCCI behind this scene.they just want pakistani team out of the screen.just look at IPL auction.being a pakistani cricket fan i would love to see pakistani team at the top.

  • mobin on January 13, 2011, 4:14 GMT

    Even before judgement has been passed,Abbasi has found them guilty.Just like Osman S. writes what pleases his sponsors.After five months of investigation by ICC and the Met police and supposedly foolproof evidence ,the learned judges still need another three weeks,while Abbasi has become an expert in legal matters and without being privy to the proceedings expects a life ban for Salman and termination of career of the other two.

    If he and Osman S. were supporters of Pak cricket ,they would amongst other things write about the inexcusable attitude of IPL towards the Pak cricketers.They wouldn't dare as it would not go down well with their sponsors.

  • Harshvardhan on January 13, 2011, 4:12 GMT

    Its such a shame that world are gonna lose amir for may be two to three years and its better than a life ban but butt and asif will be having nightmares

  • Dinesh on January 13, 2011, 4:11 GMT

    Nice perspective! Availability for the world cup is definitely not as important as the careers of the players (especially so if they are innocent). If in fact any or all them are not innocent, make an example out of them for cricketers across the world!

  • Ali on January 13, 2011, 3:58 GMT

    Well said Kamran. We have had a long history of letting go people with dirty hands in Pakistan. I hope Amir is innocent but if found guilty he deserves the punishment like any other guilty player. A strong verdict against any guilty player will send the right message to our future cricketers.

  • Zeeshan Khawaja on January 13, 2011, 3:55 GMT

    I totally agree with you Mr. Abbasi and sincerely believe that these great ex-players should start contributing to the cricket of Pakistan as already their varied comments on each issue have hurt Pakistan cricket. If these gentlemen are sincere to Pakistan's cricket and think themselves a force an be heard then they should join hands and bring about a change in current PCB setup which is main cause of all the ills of Pakistan's cricket, it is far more easier to sit in their drawing rooms and criticize on every issue. If these players are involved in match fixing (whatever the form of it) they should be punished to make an example for the rest, unless this is done, we will keep on hearing the stories of match fixing / corruption in cricket, some of them would be genuine and some from the drawing rooms of these ex-cricketers.

  • FaircricketPunditl on January 13, 2011, 3:51 GMT

    Punish them if they are really guilty, and only if you have solid evidences.

  • Khusro on January 13, 2011, 3:51 GMT

    What integrity of cricket? You can ask anyone I know, everyone I know who barely knows anything about cricket tells me that it's the worst sport ever. They look at the IPL, they go "Oh my God look how they treat their athletes", they look at Test nations and they say "Discrimination, how come teams like Bangladesh and West Indies are still Test nations even though they can't play? In fact, how is it fair that from the 100+ countries that play cricket, only 11 are allowed to play tests?". You see, cricket doesn't actually have any integrity. And please don't talk as if they need the delay, it's been 6 months for Gods sake, if you aren't able to decide who's guilty after more than half a year then you should be out on the streets begging for money, not earning it.

  • haris on January 13, 2011, 3:47 GMT

    I 100% agree with you. We need to put an end to all this and set an example for our youth. The players should know that there are consequences for their actions and no one is above the law!

  • Javaid Abbasi on January 13, 2011, 3:43 GMT

    I simply ask - why are these three players banned from playing when they have not yet even been convicted of the crime? The verdict does not even come out until February 5th and yet they are stopped from playing cricket. Having said that I myself believe that they are all guilty - and should be pronounced as such immediately - and should all be banned for life.

  • Aftab on January 13, 2011, 2:15 GMT

    It is common sense to see that the judges have no rush to let these players play for the WC. That itself tells a lot. However, the fact that there was no common defense gives the panel the right to borrow time to sift through the presentations and try to make sense out of them. I am highly disappointed in the efficiency of the British prosecution. They are now giving the impression that they rather deviate from their normal process just so that these players are hanged.

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  • Aftab on January 13, 2011, 2:15 GMT

    It is common sense to see that the judges have no rush to let these players play for the WC. That itself tells a lot. However, the fact that there was no common defense gives the panel the right to borrow time to sift through the presentations and try to make sense out of them. I am highly disappointed in the efficiency of the British prosecution. They are now giving the impression that they rather deviate from their normal process just so that these players are hanged.

  • Javaid Abbasi on January 13, 2011, 3:43 GMT

    I simply ask - why are these three players banned from playing when they have not yet even been convicted of the crime? The verdict does not even come out until February 5th and yet they are stopped from playing cricket. Having said that I myself believe that they are all guilty - and should be pronounced as such immediately - and should all be banned for life.

  • haris on January 13, 2011, 3:47 GMT

    I 100% agree with you. We need to put an end to all this and set an example for our youth. The players should know that there are consequences for their actions and no one is above the law!

  • Khusro on January 13, 2011, 3:51 GMT

    What integrity of cricket? You can ask anyone I know, everyone I know who barely knows anything about cricket tells me that it's the worst sport ever. They look at the IPL, they go "Oh my God look how they treat their athletes", they look at Test nations and they say "Discrimination, how come teams like Bangladesh and West Indies are still Test nations even though they can't play? In fact, how is it fair that from the 100+ countries that play cricket, only 11 are allowed to play tests?". You see, cricket doesn't actually have any integrity. And please don't talk as if they need the delay, it's been 6 months for Gods sake, if you aren't able to decide who's guilty after more than half a year then you should be out on the streets begging for money, not earning it.

  • FaircricketPunditl on January 13, 2011, 3:51 GMT

    Punish them if they are really guilty, and only if you have solid evidences.

  • Zeeshan Khawaja on January 13, 2011, 3:55 GMT

    I totally agree with you Mr. Abbasi and sincerely believe that these great ex-players should start contributing to the cricket of Pakistan as already their varied comments on each issue have hurt Pakistan cricket. If these gentlemen are sincere to Pakistan's cricket and think themselves a force an be heard then they should join hands and bring about a change in current PCB setup which is main cause of all the ills of Pakistan's cricket, it is far more easier to sit in their drawing rooms and criticize on every issue. If these players are involved in match fixing (whatever the form of it) they should be punished to make an example for the rest, unless this is done, we will keep on hearing the stories of match fixing / corruption in cricket, some of them would be genuine and some from the drawing rooms of these ex-cricketers.

  • Ali on January 13, 2011, 3:58 GMT

    Well said Kamran. We have had a long history of letting go people with dirty hands in Pakistan. I hope Amir is innocent but if found guilty he deserves the punishment like any other guilty player. A strong verdict against any guilty player will send the right message to our future cricketers.

  • Dinesh on January 13, 2011, 4:11 GMT

    Nice perspective! Availability for the world cup is definitely not as important as the careers of the players (especially so if they are innocent). If in fact any or all them are not innocent, make an example out of them for cricketers across the world!

  • Harshvardhan on January 13, 2011, 4:12 GMT

    Its such a shame that world are gonna lose amir for may be two to three years and its better than a life ban but butt and asif will be having nightmares

  • mobin on January 13, 2011, 4:14 GMT

    Even before judgement has been passed,Abbasi has found them guilty.Just like Osman S. writes what pleases his sponsors.After five months of investigation by ICC and the Met police and supposedly foolproof evidence ,the learned judges still need another three weeks,while Abbasi has become an expert in legal matters and without being privy to the proceedings expects a life ban for Salman and termination of career of the other two.

    If he and Osman S. were supporters of Pak cricket ,they would amongst other things write about the inexcusable attitude of IPL towards the Pak cricketers.They wouldn't dare as it would not go down well with their sponsors.