T&T v Yorkshire, CLT20 qualifier, Centurion

Yorkshire qualify for main draw

The Report by Sidharth Monga

October 10, 2012

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Yorkshire 154 for 4 (Ballance 64*, Rashid 33*) beat Trinidad & Tobago 148 for 9 (Ramdin 59, Bravo 45, Sidebottom 3-13) beat by six wickets
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

Ryan Sidebottom took 3 for 13, Trinidad & Tobago v Yorkshire, Champions League T20, Centurion, October 10, 2012
Ryan Sidebottom took 3 for 13 © Getty Images

After the first three balls of the match, Trinidad & Tobago went 18 deliveries without a run off the bat. They lost three wickets in the process. They even struggled to score at four an over for the first nine overs. All the makings then of a stirring comeback for a Caribbean side. The stirring comeback happened through Denesh Ramdin and Darren Bravo, it was sustained by Ravi Rampaul and Samuel Badree with the ball, but Trinidad & Tobago ran out of quality bowlers.

Gary Ballance and Adil Rashid made astute use of T&T's limitations, adding 103 for the fifth wicket. Between them, Rampaul and Badree went for 44 in eight overs, but Yorkshire plundered 110 of the remaining 10.5. By chasing successfully, Yorkshire progressed to the main competition, leaving T&T and Uva Next to play an inconsequential game.

For a long while, though, the match followed the script written in the World Twenty20 final three days ago. Five of that winning squad were part of this XI. It was Ramdin and Bravo who did what Marlon Samuels and Dwayne Bravo had done in the World Twenty20. Ramdin, in particular, needed to do this because his moves as captain had put him in a potentially embarrassing situation. First he chose to bat first on a moist, sticky pitch. Then he came in to bat at No. 5, which seemed awfully early. Ramdin responded with a punchy little counterattack and Bravo provided solidity at the other end.

T&T had three openers in the XI, all three of whom played poor shots to make it 8 for 3 after three overs. Ryan Sidebottom and Steven Patterson kept the pressure on, but Yorkshire had only three seamers to use. From the moment they brought the spinners on, Bravo and Ramdin batted with freedom.

Rashid opened the floodgates in the 10th over, first staying away from bowling legbreaks, and then dragging them half way down when he did bowl them. The two legbreaks in his first over went for four and six, and T&T were away. That over started a spell of six overs that went for 63 runs. There were the elegant drives from Bravo, and improvisation from Ramdin, who hardly played any dots.

Rashid brought Yorkshire back, though, as Bravo played a mistimed loft just before he could reach his fifty. Despite two run-outs after that, the T&T lower order kept going, making it 111 in the last 11 overs. Sidebottom starred with 3 for 13, but his support cast had left the batsmen much to do.

The second part of the match also got off to a familiar start. Badree got a left-hand batsman grazing the stumps, Rampaul troubled the top order with some heavy balls, and Yorkshire threatened to disintegrate under the pressure of the chase. However, they had also exhausted seven of their eight overs. At 51 for 4, T&T needed one of their lesser bowlers to step up after the good work.

It wasn't to be. Rashid started the turnaround with back-to-back fours off medium-pacer Rayad Emrit in the 10th over. The big-hitting Ballance then took over, targeting the lesser bowlers ruthlessly. By the time Ramdin was forced to use Lendl Simmons, the game was clearly slipping away. And when Ballance hoisted Simmons for two sixes in the 16th over, only 31 were left to get in the last four overs. Rampaul's one remaining over was too few to make a difference.

Innings Dot balls 4s 6s PP Overs 16-20 NB/Wides
Trinidad & Tobago 46 13 4 22-3 48-6 0/5
Yorkshire 43 11 7 34-2 52-0 1/8

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Posted by Afrikaanse_Hoer_Seunskool on (October 12, 2012, 15:58 GMT)

great to see another rhodesian coming through the ranks, Such a pity the the administrators in Rhodesia have goofed it up so bad, so many talents gone waste or plying their trade for other teams. I just hope that Ballance performs better than Hick on the test arena

Posted by bumsonseats on (October 12, 2012, 11:56 GMT)

im missing randyoz wheres he at. i know hes living in the uk i hope his bar work in earls court does not keep him from making his witty comments and remarks.

Posted by Munkeymomo on (October 12, 2012, 8:57 GMT)

@Stark62: Same thing happened last year with Somerset and Leicestershire.

Posted by anver777 on (October 12, 2012, 5:19 GMT)

A well "BALANCED" team & Yorkshire might give others a good fight in this CLT20 !! Good Luck !!!!!

Posted by   on (October 11, 2012, 23:39 GMT)

Yorkshire played very well and deserved to win. T&T only have themselves to blame for the loss. Barath continues to be a big disappointment,for a test and odi player his shot selection continues to be very poor. Yes agreed that the qualifying games are not the best structure. However we knew that it was a must win game yet the batsmen 1,2,3 batted poorly. Congrats to Yorkshire and Auckland.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 11, 2012, 21:55 GMT)

@himohan007 on (October 11 2012, 09:53 AM GMT) Have I said or even intimated that it was anything to do with the BCCI re the international players? As a Somerset fan , my team's not out there anyway and I personally enjoy our domestic competition. BTW in the preview to this match I criticised ECB for not allowing Bresnan to play. Depending on which post of mine you read , my main point is that IPL sides field 4 overseas STARS to other CL20 sides who field 2 overseas players.

Posted by   on (October 11, 2012, 19:01 GMT)

Complete joke this competition is. Four Indian sides go straight into the competition proper when Yorkshire and Hampshire have to qualify.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 11, 2012, 17:41 GMT)

@Prázäd Krîs on (October 11 2012, 13:35 PM GMT) Re "Aus, RSA, England and so other nations domestic tournaments are born before IPL but no use" - what about the players from Australia,SA,SL,WI,NZ etc who play IPL? They didn't learn their cricket in India did they so how can you say they are no use?

Posted by JG2704 on (October 11, 2012, 17:40 GMT)

@SIRSOBERZ on (October 11 2012, 13:01 PM GMT) I thought you were booing about a Zim born player playing for Yorks so apologies there. TBH CLT20 gets little coverage over here with TV coverage on the relatively obscure Eurosport 2 and very little mention on Sky sports news etc. It was only because of cricinfo that I saw last years. Interesting factual comms on White and him having to play for his IPL side. Makes me wonder if the T+T missing players actually had any choice in the matter? Certainly empathise with your views and I guess the fact that the non IPL sides are disadvantaged (and before anyone buts in I'm not blaming BCCI) that if one of them wins it , the achievement will be all the sweeter

Posted by JG2704 on (October 11, 2012, 17:40 GMT)

@davidpk on (October 11 2012, 11:24 AM GMT) - Thankyou and likewise respect @yorkshirematt on (October 11 2012, 10:40 AM GMT) Answer is no - not surprised at all @Maxyboy_123 on (October 11 2012, 12:33 PM GMT) To be honest I don't think they'll go much further. To qualify with a full side is a tough ask. To do so with the depleted side they put out esp vs T+T is superb @Bruisers on (October 11 2012, 12:37 PM GMT) Thanks for the info.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 11, 2012, 17:40 GMT)

@kkk999 on (October 11 2012, 05:12 AM GMT) They've won both their qualifying matches and were probably underdogs in both matches - definitely were underdogs vs T+T. And how do these players expect to get exposure if they are not given the chance because people can't be bothered discovering names they've never heard of.?Yorks might well fail but had pretty much a full side of home developed players yesterday and were without 4 key players so just to qualify ahead of a team which is vastly more experienced is an immense achievement. Imagine if teams like Yorks had a Chris Gayle or Dale Steyn in their side. How well would IPL sides do in these competitions if the overseas stars (and I mean STARS not players) were spread out over all the CLT20 entrants? Please publish this time

Posted by   on (October 11, 2012, 14:35 GMT)

Without IPL, there's nothing to be seen such CL tournaments in a year. After the start of the IPL, the cricket boards from India, RSA and Australia had a joint venture to conduct this tournament. The sponsor also will be behalf of India, so no point to blame them. Aus, RSA, England and so other nations domestic tournaments are born before IPL but no use, teams spends money gets credits.

Posted by Venkat_Super_11 on (October 11, 2012, 14:14 GMT)

@ lahiru121, it's all for commercial reasons. This Champions League is anyway BCCI's discovery and it's own child. So we cannot question why 4 IPL teams get qualified to this CL. Moreover, it's done with a small hope that at least one of the IPL teams would reach finals, if not win it so that BCCI can fill up its coffers with commerical rights. It's simple.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (October 11, 2012, 14:01 GMT)

@JG2704 When I said the 4 sides rely on overseas stars I was referring to the IPL Indian sides not Yorkshire the commentators and Cricinfo all call him Zimabwean I mentioned it to because Zimbabweans don't get much attention these days. Oh and Watson plays for RR they din't qualify I remember the first CLT20 not 1 of the 4 IPL sides qualified missing overseas players so then they change rules on contracts I remember most the next year when Victoria won the BigBash captained by Cameron White he wasn't able to rep them in CLT20 as he was contracted to RCB and they also qualified, who knows what the deals are now if you want to see my opinions on CLT20 check the TANDT story from a few days ago on here I'm not interested haven't really watched it since the second one because it's a farse a failure of what could of been(still can be) a great comp.

Posted by exiledtyke on (October 11, 2012, 13:39 GMT)

@Stark62: the concept is, we played better & qualified. simple as.

Posted by Bruisers on (October 11, 2012, 13:37 GMT)

@JG2704 - FYI, AB de Villiers has been ruled out of the tournament and is doubtful for the Aussie tour as well.

Posted by Bruisers on (October 11, 2012, 13:35 GMT)

@SamuelH - Otago, Sussex and Wayamba were embarrassed in 2009.. Guyana, Wayamba and Central Districts were embarrassed in 2010.. That is exactly why CLT20 introduced QUALIFIERS system in 2011 and we saw an absolutely riveting tournament in which all 10 teams had an equal chance of qualifying for semis until the very end.

Posted by Bruisers on (October 11, 2012, 13:34 GMT)

@Lmaotsetung - The tournament gets 'meaningless' and 'funny' once your team is sent home during the qualifiers itself. How can a team, that can't win a little qualifying match, go on to win the cup!??

Posted by Maxyboy_123 on (October 11, 2012, 13:33 GMT)

@ JG2704 Well Im looking forward to seeing how yorkshire do. There is still some real quality in there side. @ Lmaotsetung well said.

Posted by bumsonseats on (October 11, 2012, 12:24 GMT)

JG2704 as is the norm with you, we get a well thought out point that goes to the heart of a particular matter. but pity some of the other banal posters can not follow your example.

Posted by WickyRoy.paklover on (October 11, 2012, 12:19 GMT)

I think Ipl,CL SHOULD B ORGANIZD AT the end of Each Icc t20 championship so that indian fans might find an outlet to expres their frustratn ovr india been knockd out 4rm each championship at super 8s stage.ANOTHR WRLD 4 DIS OUTLET Z CALD "CATHARSIS"

Posted by Chamithg on (October 11, 2012, 12:14 GMT)

I'l not surprised even they include all IPL teams in the main draw. Indian influence is that much high these day in world cricket. No point of talking against it. It's Indian money run the ICC. So they use it for their advantage.

Posted by DINESHCC on (October 11, 2012, 12:09 GMT)

Can any one take steps to stop this circus or for that matter comedy series. IPL has taken four years to spoil Indian Cricket. SLPL taken only one year to spoil Sri Lankan Cricket. If at all you want to organize such type of league travel with CURIOSITY and play there.

Posted by Gizza on (October 11, 2012, 11:51 GMT)

Surely the BCCI should think about letting Indians play in non-IPL T20 competitions? If a Tendulkar or Dhoni plays for a non-IPL team, their IPL team doesn't qualify there is a possible backup of their other team qualifying which should increase ratings? Maybe that is too optimistic. Anyway I'm glad more non-IPL teams have foreign players in their squads. It should even things up. Also this is slightly off-topic but I've always thought a Champions League is viable for 50-over cricket too. And even for first-class competitions, I don't why there can't be a County vs State club Ashes tour occasionally or a Ranji vs Plunkett Shield series (any first-class winner essentially).

Posted by yorkshirematt on (October 11, 2012, 11:40 GMT)

@JG2704 Are you really surprised about that though? If it's anything whatsoever to do with English cricket we get the inevitable comments, even if it is nothing to do with the England team itself. We don't even have any current England players playing for us here.

Posted by lahiru121 on (October 11, 2012, 11:23 GMT)

last year there were 2 IPL teams in the main draw and there were 2 in the qualifier this year why are there 4 IPL teams play in the main draw? and both english teams have to play the qualifier? It's high time that they stop favoring Indian teams and start having a single transparent standard for picking teams for the main draw!

Posted by exiledtyke on (October 11, 2012, 11:20 GMT)

@Dashgar : I agree. As much as possible I would like to see players represent their place of birth. sadly, Mr Ballance has been playing in English county cricket since he was 16 and I think is now England qualified. He is good enough to play for England. as a batsman (& fielder) he is better than Jonny Bairstow so if England won't use JB as a wicketkeeper they should pick Ballance instead.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 11, 2012, 11:08 GMT)

@Maxyboy_123 on (October 11 2012, 08:34 AM GMT) ctd - as for champs automatically qualifying etc I'm half with you on that but even in football you have champs from some of the lesser countries (Scotland for example) who have to play qualifiers and some countries get 3 or more (Eng,Spain,Italy etc). It would maybe be better if just MI as holders and 1 other IPL side automatically qualified but if we're talking about a level playing field it would be nice if all the non IPL sides had the same choice/amount of overseas stars as the IPL sides but unfortunately it doesn't work that way.Maybe a better way of doing it would be to still have all these teams having to qualify but you add 2 of the IPL sides and have 1 group whereby the top 4 qualify. This would at least mean that if you lose a match you're not out straight away and the 2nd phase of matches aren't meaningless

Posted by JG2704 on (October 11, 2012, 11:07 GMT)

@Maxyboy_123 on (October 11 2012, 08:34 AM GMT) Yes , it's a shame that T+T could not play Pollard , Dwayne and Narine. I'm not sure if there are any other players who have chosen their IPL franchises over their home sides - maybe someone could tell me? I'd like to see T+T totally go without this trio in their domestic leagues but I guess all it would mean is that other WI sides would pick them up so it would be self harming. I've just looked through the other squads and to me the only players who are playing for their home sides who IPL sides would/might be interested in would be (all from Sydney) Watson,Starc and Cummins. I know AB and Watson were both playing IPL last year so I'm not sure if they chose their home side over their IPL side or whether their IPL side did not qualify? No one from IPL would have been interested in Starc or Cummins before the WC

Posted by JG2704 on (October 11, 2012, 11:07 GMT)

I think it's quite sad that so few non English posters are giving Yorks any credit whatsoever for what they've achieved without their best players.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 11, 2012, 11:07 GMT)

@SIRSOBERZ on (October 10 2012, 21:55 PM GMT) I like T+T and would have liked them to have qualified but would you just have mentioned the nationality of one of the IPL sides stars anytime you got beaten? I think T+T are unique in that they have no overseas stars. I think all the other sides have one or 2 overseas players so it's up to T+T to strengthen if they feel appropriate. Ballance , I feel is different from the IPL overseas born players in that Yorks are developing him and haven't cherry picked him as an overseas star. I also think he looked awful at the start of the inns and I was thinking he would be the reason why Yorks wouldn't win and not the reason why he would win as he was looking awful. You also have to look at your Pollard's/Dwayne's and Narine's choices of their IPL sides over their home sides.

Posted by himohan007 on (October 11, 2012, 10:53 GMT)

@JG2704 AB's IPL team is not qualified. Also BCCI didn't block Aus,Eng,SA to play International players to play in their domestic tournament. So if they want they can. So don't show ur frustration of ur country's boring T20 competition structure on IPL/BCCI. Thats their fault and ur problem.

Posted by Stark62 on (October 11, 2012, 10:26 GMT)

So, the champions of England are out but the runners up are through?!?!

Can someone explain the logic behind that concept?

Posted by Maxyboy_123 on (October 11, 2012, 9:34 GMT)

@JG2704 Good point about AB playing for his domestic side. Its a shame other players from other teams cant show that same loyalty. Its what the CL needs to bring in a wider audience. I can understand why the shareholders have more teams in the competition, but to give it a chance of any credibility surely the domestic winners from around the world shouldn't have to qualify. I have been lucky enough to watch a lot of IPL over the last few years and genuinely enjoy it, but this is a classic case of overkill funded largely by TV money. Can anyone name the previous winners?

Posted by santokh on (October 11, 2012, 9:22 GMT)

kkk are you out of your mind? what planet do you live on. Yorkshire beat 2 fancied teams fair and square so why should they not be there. They won on merit (not luck or fluke) and it's not a popularity contest. It is a good up and coming team with a mix of experience and youth. remember Rajasthan royals in the 1pl1 they had no stars and look what happened. Come on you Yorkies do us proud.

Posted by yorkslanka on (October 11, 2012, 7:29 GMT)

Congrats to Yorkshire , enjoyed watching at headingley and can't wait to watch us taking the clt 20 by storm....good luck fellas

Posted by   on (October 11, 2012, 7:24 GMT)

@Lmaotsetung Your point is valid but the problem is, CSA and CA are stakeholders in the CLT20 so their teams will have to get direct entry. Now if they allow teams from other countries direct entry to the main tournament as well that would increase the number of teams in the tournament and possibly make the tournament longer and with the international calendar being as tight as it is now that's simply not an option. Still I think it can be done, instead of playing a qualifier tournament what they should do is increase the number of groups in the main tournament and allow all teams direct entry. They should make sure that there isn't more than 1 team from the same country in any group, so that way each group would have like 4 teams from 4 different leagues with the top 2 teams from each group qualifying for the quarter finals, the winners of which will play the semis and then the finals. This would create interesting scenarios and rivalries and make the CLT20 feel truly global.

Posted by   on (October 11, 2012, 7:09 GMT)

I feel bad for T& T , first of all 5 players out of their sqaud came directly from Wt20s , secondly three of their key players (bravo ,pollard and narine) choosed to play for their respective IPL franchieses , still they gave a good fight to Yorkshire. on this note , i felt its really unfair to make all the other domestic t20 champs apart from India-Aus and SA are made to compete inQFs . ideally champions league shud be only the champion team from all top 8 cricket playing nations , so here it shud hav been Sidney sixers(Aus) ,KKR(India) ,Titans(SA) , T&T(WI) , Uva Next (SL), Hampshire(Eng) , Auckland aces (NZ) and sialkot (Pakistan) . Am from india but I feel its unfair that 3 , at times four IPL clubs occupy the places in main draw. I understand this time 4th IPL team was given a direct entry since Mumbai Indians are defending Clt20 champs but still its a bit unfair for teams from other countries(no offence to any team, am a die hard MI fan myself)

Posted by jr2012 on (October 11, 2012, 6:47 GMT)

Poor people always beg and moan rather than perform. I see too much begging.

Posted by theswami on (October 11, 2012, 6:29 GMT)

I think its the choice of the team that's the problem. Also Ramdin should've come one-drop. The best team would've been, Bharath, Simmons, Ramdin, Bravo, Perkins, Cooper, S.Ganga,R.Emrit, S.Badree, R.Rampaul, Gabriel. Gabriel & Rampaul are their best pacers, Cooper is adequate backup in tha department, Badree & Emrit are their frontline spinners and Ganga is equally good. Simmons can only be a 7th bowling option, instead he was given 2 overs without giving all the frontline bowlers a go. T&T hava an awesome team, Ramdin mus manage his boys well.

Posted by Dashgar on (October 11, 2012, 6:15 GMT)

Gee, Zimbabwe could have seriously used this guy at the World T20, and even more in their tests coming up. Hopefully he sees the light and tears up his Kolpak deal to play some international cricket.

Posted by   on (October 11, 2012, 6:04 GMT)

@Sundar Subramaniam

re English teams having to qualify, it's worth noting that, of the two Engish teams who've been in the group stages, one got to the semis. English teams are no pushovers, and if they had their England players, they'd have a chance of winning.

BTW, Yorkshire are four players short of their best team, any wins in the group stage must be seen in that light.

Posted by Leatherman on (October 11, 2012, 5:51 GMT)

@Lmaotsetung yeah, CSA and CA are paying for part of the tournament while the "cricket mad nations" don't contribute much except for cricinfo comments... So I'd say its pretty fair for the paying boards to get more teams in the Champions League...

Posted by Udendra on (October 11, 2012, 5:22 GMT)

what absurdity! UVa has another match to play, yet they are out! more subcontinent teams would have meant more spectators. We all saw the empty stands at the ground!

Posted by   on (October 11, 2012, 5:18 GMT)

Yorkshire had the right balance. Root has a slight younger resemblance to Geoff boycott. Wonder if they are related in anyway lol gale gets in and gets out. Jaques likes serving his wicket on a silver platter in the two games gone and joe root has a brainwave just as he's about to cash in on a big score. Well done to rashid he played with intelligence and maturity and allowed balance to get his eye in. If rashid improves his batting technique against quality line and length seam bowling he would be a good punt for England's odi team as a batsmen who bowls a bit.

Posted by colombo_SL on (October 11, 2012, 4:59 GMT)

@Lmaotsetung; Agree with you. I can't understand the logic behind this qualifier round. Your comment is true. " Champions League loses a large pool of fans from the get go". Unfair to play two matches & go. Four teams out within 3 days. Might this be second IPL tournament of the year.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (October 11, 2012, 4:25 GMT)

Funny thing is that cricket mad nations like Sri lanka, Pakistan, and T&T gets one team in and one loss they are done so IPL...ahem...I mean Champions League loses a large pool of fans from the get go. On the other hand Aus and SA audience are pretty much non existent since there are a million other things competing with cricket in those countries especially Australia. Gonna love the brain trusts behind the Champion's League...

Posted by sarith01 on (October 11, 2012, 4:19 GMT)

IPL 2012 SEASON 2 is a far better name than CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2012

Posted by sarith01 on (October 11, 2012, 4:15 GMT)

teams represent world t20 finalists in champions league. amazing

Posted by Rally_Windies on (October 11, 2012, 4:05 GMT)

T&T selectors have paid the price for forcing an end to Dave Mohommed's 1st class career ....

T&T selectors also played with less spinners than the WI team.... This is a day I though would never happen in my life time...

WI playing more spinners than T&T ... what a mess ...

Posted by   on (October 11, 2012, 4:02 GMT)

@Natesan333 Are you kidding me? Even without their star players (Pollard, Dwayne Bravo, Narine) who are always stolen by IPL teams when the CLT20 is played, they managed to beat many of the top teams in the previous editions, they just lost 1 match yesterday and now they're out. With a full strength team they're one of the, if not THE best T20 team in the world. Speaking of IPL teams the reason why there are 4 IPL teams is because if there were only 2 of them neither of them would make it to the semifinals, the organizers increase the number of IPL teams every year in order to ensure at least one of them reaches the semifinal/final because if none of them do the organizers wont make much money. T&T and the runners up of the WI T20 league must get direct entry to the main draw, so should SLPL winners and runners up and NZ winners and runners up, only teams that should be playing qualifiers are England, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, this is just ridiculous.

Posted by AS7777 on (October 11, 2012, 3:57 GMT)

Congrats to Yorkshire. Real champion sides are kicked out. One IPL champions side and 3 loosers. Clt20 better be described as champions and loosers t20. what a shame.

Posted by   on (October 11, 2012, 3:36 GMT)

Yorkshire finally found their right Ballance ;)

Posted by jmcilhinney on (October 11, 2012, 3:08 GMT)

I don't think that the structure of this tournament, with it's qualifying and bias towards IPL teams, is fair either but people need to realise that the CLT20 is not an ICC event so there's no requirement for it to be fair. It's owned and run by the BCCI, CA and CSA, presumably with the BCCI as the major partner. As such, it has no specific responsibility to boards, teams or fans of any other country. It really does ride on the coat tails of the IPL and its popularity in India so, while fans of teams from other countries have a right to be disappointed, it's not like they were ever promised anything more so just quit complaining. There's money to be made by playing in the CLT20 and that fact is primarily due to the IPL and the IPL teams playing in the CLT20. If India loses interest then the whole thing will go away and noone gets anything.

Posted by Paley73 on (October 11, 2012, 1:38 GMT)

How is it that a side(T&T) that made two finals and winning one must go through the qualifying round. T&T should have been automatically slotted in the main rounds. Maybe I'm missing something here.

Posted by   on (October 11, 2012, 1:25 GMT)

We performed badly.

But if six teams are playing for two places would it not be fairer for each team to play five matches (each team playing the other five) with the top two going forward?

If the organisers, for whatever reasons, required the Caribbean champions to play preliminaries, we should not have been thrown into what was virtually a knockout competition against two of the other five contenders.

Posted by   on (October 11, 2012, 1:02 GMT)

There is a basic problem in identifying who has to play the qualifiers. Think about a team who has to play a qualifying game this year and goes on to win the trophy. Next year, the same team have to play the qualifiers again (if they are selected from their country). This is not an ideal situation.

Teams need to identified based on their victory averages. If a team has got 7 wins out of 10 on their local league, then its average is 0.7. If two are tied at the same victory average, then they can think about NRR.

This provides an elegant way to determine who has to play the qualifiers.

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (October 10, 2012, 22:55 GMT)

How sad that not even 1 side from WEST INDIES will be in CLT20 ! The ZIMBABWEAN Ballance batted very well today but what a terrible format it helps no one including India as all 4 sides rely heavily on overseas superstars.

Posted by Fareen on (October 10, 2012, 22:55 GMT)

Sidebottom still performing. What a bowler, England didn't use him properly in the shorter formats.

Posted by Rajesh_india_1990 on (October 10, 2012, 22:50 GMT)

Sad to see talented trinidad out of the tournament...shame on you clt20 organizers..

Posted by anton111 on (October 10, 2012, 22:48 GMT)

The TT players wanted to send a message to their cricket board...No increased money, no winning

Posted by Patchmaster on (October 10, 2012, 22:44 GMT)

Great performance from Yorkshire - go boys !!! It's funny how Ballance doesn't get picked for any IPL sides, because wow, when he bats like that, you have to wonder why not ? I wonder if he'll make the Eng squad ?

Posted by Indianpunjabi on (October 10, 2012, 22:39 GMT)


Posted by yorkshirematt on (October 10, 2012, 22:38 GMT)

@natesan Embarrassed? Well we'll have to wait and see won't we. Hopefully we can show that talent and heart on the field counts for more than money in this game.

Posted by Alanzo_B on (October 10, 2012, 22:31 GMT)

While one must admit that the format of this qualifying round is less-than-ideal - verging on ridiculous actually - the Trinidad & Tobago T20 cricket team must have been very much aware of this. That being said, I honestly expected this crop of players - though not necessarily being the most prepared - to have delivered when it mattered most. They must have been aware of the pre-conditions for qualification to the main draw. Better luck next time TnT.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 10, 2012, 22:12 GMT)

@drewkatski on (October 10 2012, 18:47 PM GMT) You have to go by how T+T did in this year's tournament. If they were good enough to win it they'd surely have stuffed a Yorks side with their 3 biggest names missing. Maybe WI do deserve a 2nd qualifying spot but 1 - Re WI being world champs , they would not have known that before they organised this tournament and 2 - even if the WI win counted their star players Gayle,Narine,Pollard would be choosing their IPL sides over domestic sides. Not saying that's good or right but that's the way it is.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 10, 2012, 22:12 GMT)

@Prabhu Sekar on (October 10 2012, 18:45 PM GMT) You'd probably find that in most similar tournaments in any sport the defending champions would not have to go through preliminary stages.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 10, 2012, 22:11 GMT)

@Natesan333 on (October 10 2012, 18:42 PM GMT) You could be right but then Somerset - whose 2 overseas players were Murali Karthick and Van Der Merwe (who probably would not get into most IPL sides) - beat KKR (Kallis,Lee,Al Hasan etc) TWICE in last years CLT20 and both times without Trescothick , Keiswetter and Buttler and they lost in the semis to winners Mumbai Indians by 10 runs compared to the 31 runs which they beat RCB by. Yorks are really up against it but then again T+T acquitted themselves well last year and Yorks are there in front of them.

Posted by JG2704 on (October 10, 2012, 22:11 GMT)

@Maxyboy_123 on (October 10 2012, 18:35 PM GMT) To be fair I'm not sure how long CL has been going but Indian sides to have the best players. I think they all have 5 overseas players per squad and can field 4 in any one game. Also the Indian sides have the cream of the overseas talent compared to many of the other sides. Yorks are unlikely to do anything and did well to beat the T+T side with some WC winners in it but even if they don't it would be great if a non Indian side won it because they are already disadvantaged by not having as good overseas players and less of them. I wonder if it would be allowed for an English or SA or Oz side to field 4 overseas players. It is refreshing to see AB playing for his SA side out there.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (October 10, 2012, 21:57 GMT)

@DIfill: Totally agree with you. T&T should be in the MAIN draw directly. They are the ONLY Caribbean team and WHY should they play in the qualifier ? The same applies to the teams from SL, PAK, and NZ. WHY must they play the qualifiers ? Even if the CLT20 organizers insist on having a qualifying phase for this tournament, how about making it one round robin phase with each team playing the other once. Then the top 2 can make it to the main competition. That's more fair because 1 loss does not mean an elimination. If the world has to take CLT20 seriously, then there has to be some MAJOR changes to the competition's structure. Also, more than 2 IPL teams is TOO MUCH. I am an Indian supporter and a big fan of the IPL, but this is ridiculous. I don't like to see more than 2 Indian teams in the event. Please CLT20 organizers, make some changes next year.

Posted by NkSad on (October 10, 2012, 21:34 GMT)

@alexk400 it's not that they did have any batting. The batting just did not get going. The top just went to fast and the rest got out trying to excelarate, I would have been good if there was Bravo and Pollard to help with that but you know their situation.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (October 10, 2012, 21:33 GMT)

The CL is a group venture among SA/Aus/Ind, hence teams from those countries need not qualify. Eng was given 2 spots as the one cricketing powers who is not part of the the ownership of Champions League but they have to go thru qualifying. The rest of the countries are allowed one team only and all have to go through qualifying. It's basically an extension of the IPL with SA and Aus teams thrown in there for flavor....NOTHING MORE...NOTHING LESS. Agree qualifying round format is poor. Basically one loss and you are done. Should have pool all 6 teams together and top 2 goes through. If I was T&T fan, I wouldn't care too much about this tournament. Ind/Aus/SA dictates the whole tournament so it's out of your hand. Your board can choose to ignore it as Eng will probably do next year (Ashes year) but in your case I can understand the money involved that can be life changing.

Posted by the_wallster on (October 10, 2012, 21:27 GMT)

This is a prime example of why despite being around for five years now, the IPL as a whole either is slow to, or simply hasn't evolved. When players like Dan Christian an Richard Levi go for 900k and 400k respectively, it's an embarassment the likes of Jos Buttler and Gary Ballance aren't picked-up for their paultry 50k base prices. Their should be scouts looking for the world's best players, so they aren't ripped off like they are with the likes of Levi and Christian. How Ballance (great fielder too) and Buttler (great fielder too) haven't been snapped up is an embarassment. White Rose-White Rose! White Rose-White Rose! Yorkshire!

Posted by   on (October 10, 2012, 21:25 GMT)

Tobago embarrassed the entire Western hemisphere with this performance. Guyana, Jamaica and Barbados are better teams than Tobago. They're not the most deserving team coming from the West Indies.

Posted by anton111 on (October 10, 2012, 21:20 GMT)

The T&T boys were not mentally prepared to play cricket. They had more important things on their minds like striking for more money to play in this tournament

Posted by SDHM on (October 10, 2012, 21:14 GMT)

@Natesan333 - I don't remember Somerset being embarrassed against KKR last year. In fact, I remember it being the other way round. Twice. The likes of Yorkshire, and indeed T&T if they'd been in the tournament proper like they should have been, would've more than held their own.

Posted by SDHM on (October 10, 2012, 21:11 GMT)

@drewkatski - why on earth do the champions of England or the West Indies, or indeed the champions of any domestic league, have to qualify at all? Why do the 3rd and 4th place IPL sides get in automatically ahead of Hampshire & T&T?

Posted by Alexk400 on (October 10, 2012, 20:12 GMT)

T&T has to go because they do not have batsman. They score 148 probably kinda fluke. 9 over 39. 11 over 110 they scored.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (October 10, 2012, 20:03 GMT)

Congrats Yorkshire and tough luck T&T. It's a shame that 1 loss dictates the terms in such a ridiculously structured 'qualification' round. In a format like T20, anyone can win or lose. How can the Champions League organizers be so naive ? They should have had 1 league phase for the qualifiers where every team plays each other once and the top 2 going through. Seriously, the format of this tournament is RIDICULOUS. I am not very pleased at the prospect of T&T, UVA and Sialkot all going home after 1 loss. Please CLT20 organizers, please get the format right next year and try to make this tournament legit !

Posted by NkSad on (October 10, 2012, 19:57 GMT)

Trinidad and Tobago fought hard but could not get it done. They need the 3rd attack bowlers to get wickets and tighten things up, which was Narine last year giving Kooper and the 5th bowler a chance at some wickets. I would like to say that Ramdin was a bad captain but he did okay with what he had. Congratualition to the IPL teams for weaken the the Trinidadian team over the years by stealing the players. Pollard, Bravo and Narine would have been amazing with their current line up.

Posted by Lion83Heart on (October 10, 2012, 19:47 GMT)

I do not agree with the format of this tournament. After team Trinidad and Tobago won their local competition to qualify for the Champions League, (mind you the only Caribbean team) they have to play a qualifying tournament to actually get into the main draw of the Champions League. It sucks cause other nations have more than one representative and have teams going straight to the main draw once they won their local competitions. Thumbs down for the structure of this tournament.

Posted by   on (October 10, 2012, 19:47 GMT)

Correction: Not missing Rafiq.

Posted by drewkatski on (October 10, 2012, 19:47 GMT)

TnT have lost their first QL match and are knocked out of the CL-T20 and cannot qualify. Here are my issues with this: 1. Why are they the only WI team brought into the Champions League? (Eng gets two, NZ gets two and SL gets two) And don't say we're not good enough to get it. Since we are the World T-20 Champs.

2. Why do they have to play a demeanour Qualifying Round? Now we're talking about the Former Finalists of the Champions League. So why do they have to play a qualifying round again. Having played it every single time and making it through not just to the MainDraw but to the Finals and almost making it through in the next one.

3. Why is only one of the three teams of the pool moving forward into the Main Draw? I find it rather silly that only one team is moving forward and that each team only plays two matches. Making Trinidad's exit very unfortunate and in a way, unfair.

Disappointed at the organization of this QR but will still watch the tourney for the excitement it offers

Posted by bumsonseats on (October 10, 2012, 19:46 GMT)

from a red rose supporter to the white rose, great win. looking at the T an T side they looked stacked full of guys who you should have thought would have won. nice to see some england future players doing so well.

Posted by   on (October 10, 2012, 19:46 GMT)

Very good Yorkshire. People have been saying about the absences in the T&T team, but don't forget, we're missing Bairstow, Miller, Bresnan, Starc and Rafiq!

Posted by   on (October 10, 2012, 19:45 GMT)

Cant understand why Mumbai Indians is not in the qualifiers !! If it is called champions trophy every team should be treated equally ..

Posted by Natesan333 on (October 10, 2012, 19:42 GMT)

......And people were wondering why these teams need to be "qualified". Can you imagin this team going up against any IPL team? They will be embarrassed.

Posted by Greatest_Game on (October 10, 2012, 19:39 GMT)

A great all round performance from Yorkshire. Excellent bowling from Sidebottom. Balance just took the game away from T&T - more than half his runs from sixes. (With his 1st Class & List A averages in the 50s, I wonder how long before the ECB will be knocking on his door - if he is eligible?) If they keep up this form, Yorks look like they could be contenders!

Posted by Maxyboy_123 on (October 10, 2012, 19:35 GMT)

This tournament is ridiculous. Champions League? Lets just rename it the Indian champions league and be done with it. How can four Indian teams go into the main draw? All domestic champions should go into the main draw and the rest should qualify. You watch this tournament won't exists in five years time.

Posted by Dav1daKing on (October 10, 2012, 19:32 GMT)

what kind of 11 was that? rather they had sent Jamaica when the Trini players were acting up!

Posted by   on (October 10, 2012, 18:03 GMT)

One hundred odd runs in the last 10 overs i see a rub off from the windies / lanka game here. 149s gonna be quiet a challenge for yorkshire

Posted by CricShanghai on (October 10, 2012, 16:23 GMT)

According to the live commentary, T&T is playing with four openers, and opted to bat first after winning the toss! ...

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