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Dravid: 'Chanderpaul has to bat at No. 3 or 4'

Rahul Dravid analyses the West Indies batting line-up and Shivnarine Chanderpaul's batting position after their loss to India in the Kolkata Test

November 9, 2013

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Posted by boxer44 on (November 11, 2013, 4:57 GMT)

All this talk about what position or how selfish Shiv's batting is and no one cares to mention a test team that doesnt bat long enough to see the second new ball.

Posted by wapuser on (November 11, 2013, 0:20 GMT)

In relation to Chanderpaul batting up the order it won't make a difference to how the rest of the guys in the team will bat. Also Chanderpaul requested to have a settled batting position after he was moved up and down the order so much so that he was not sure of where his batting position would be. We went into this game a batsman short and that is why we ended up in trouble and none of the other players seem to understand that you can only score runs if you are out in the middle. Leave Chanderpaul where he is and tell the other players to do their job.

Posted by voyrison on (November 10, 2013, 23:25 GMT)

It has been tried before but he never does very well batting up the order. At his age it is not worth the risk, they are lucky he is still playing for them.

Posted by   on (November 10, 2013, 12:40 GMT)

I cannot agree more with MSOS. Your statement is nothing but the truth.With all respects to Boycott,I am surprised with a statement he made earlier.He said that Chanderpaul has one out of three qualifying points to make him a great batsman. His only score according to Boycott, is his impressive record,while he Chanderpaul has failed in the area to draw or win matches.This is unbelievable from a man that knows this game.Who were those that batted with him in the most turbulent times? What were there contributions?How many times was Chanderpaul left not out because everyone else was in the dressing room?Yet you talk of winning and drawing games.Recently he drew a game against India in the WI.One smart man gave him residency in his Island.He made a century in the second highest run chase against Australia. I would ask that people be fair to one of the greatest batsman ever i any form of this game.Chanderpaul is a rare jewel among those that hardly know the difference between copper and go

Posted by MSOS on (November 10, 2013, 5:31 GMT)

Haters will hate, Chanders is arguably one of the finest batsmen the world has ever seen....his greatness comes with the wobbly windies line up...holding up and uplifting his team over and over the years....i have seen other great batsmen..without discrediting them...they most of the time get some support from their batting line Chanders case others expect him to support all the time...go check his record out guys....he has performed in all formats in a greatway..only reason is the stuck up approach of the windies coach puts him down....sammy should be in the ODI and 20/20 and for that matter captaining them..not bravo..he plays like a school child when he is the captain...windies need to get a good opener and a solid one for that matter...I am from Sri Lanka and following Chanders from day you are no better to judge him better then me

Posted by   on (November 10, 2013, 1:26 GMT)

Batsmen get infuriated when they have to go through the run out route,and sometimes direct blames at the other end.Darren Bravo's demise was nothing but his own misjudgment.About Chanderpaul playing selfish is baseless.If everyone bats responsibly,there will be no finger to point.Him being not out in many matches confirms his ability to bat.No one has stopped the top order from doing same. In this concluded test match,he was left stranded very early.How much can he do with the tail, when the specialist are consistently failing? I will agree with Dravid that he bats up the order.Wasn't it for Chanderpaul,WI over the years may have lost all respect as a test nation.

Posted by nafzak on (November 10, 2013, 0:33 GMT)

Who says that Chanderpaul refuses to move up the order? That is absolute nonsense. If that was the case, we would have all known about from Gibson, because Gibson does not like Shiv, period! Shiv has batted at every position from opening to #6. How can one expect him to protect the tail in every innings? What about the responsibilities of the top order? What about the Captain, Sammy, playing every innings as if its 20/20? Ramdin is supposed to be a batsman, isn't he? yes, Sviv should bat higher up, but don't blame his for WI woes and don't call him selfish. If Sviv had proper support in his career, he would have had an additional 2,000-3,000 test runs. Just look at the 2 batsmen who made centuries in this match and what position they batted.

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 20:35 GMT)

Narsingh deonarine form has been amazing, an hes a better spinner than shillinngford

Posted by simonviller on (November 9, 2013, 17:28 GMT)

Thank you Mr Dravid ! You are so correct in identifying the problem with WI . I would go further to say it's not only the lower order that's technically deficient ,but also part of the top order . Looking into the whole team make-up ,we only have one world -class batsman in my opinion and that's why we cannot compete with the top teams . AS PATHETIC AS Sammy IS as a batsman ,he is not the lone culprit in this team . Some top order batsmen are trying to live-up to the reputation of the past greats before acquiring the skills and that has been their downfall . One must play within ones ability in order to succeed at test level .

Posted by   on (November 9, 2013, 16:42 GMT)

As per Brutalanalyst comment that Darren Bravo was cursing and swaring blaming Chanderpaul because of he was run out. Let us look back at the tapes, the ball hit by Bravo did not gone pass the fielder. The fielder was running in towards the ball which was travelling towards the fielder. Again, everyone underestimate the speed of Shami fielding or bowling. What if it was Chanderpaul who was run out, what would have been the comments? Every cricketer would indicate a run or stop their partner in a case like this but Bravo took off like a jet.

Come guy we saw worst run outs than this one.

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