England v Australia, NatWest Series, The Oval July 1, 2012

Bell and Bopara star in simple chase

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England 252 for 4 (Bopara 82, Bell 75) beat Australia 251 for 7 (Watson 66, Hussey 65, Bresnan 2-50) by six wickets
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

It is one of the ironies of England's recent resurgence in all formats of the game that, for all their meticulous planning, two of the crucial ingredients of their success have come through luck. Just as it was only the sacking of Kevin Pietersen and Peter Moores as captain that brought Andy Flower and Andrew Strauss together as captain and coach, so it has only been the "retirement" of Pietersen from limited-overs international cricket that presented another chance to Ian Bell as an ODI batsman.

It is not just luck, of course. It is how England have adjusted to circumstance and overcome the obstacles that have arisen. But it remains true that, had Pietersen not departed the England limited-overs set-up recently, it is most unlikely that Bell would have returned to the top of the England order.

Bell has certainly embraced his opportunity. Since returning to the ODI side, he has contributed scores of 126, 53, 41 and now 75 and played a significant role in England not only taking a 2-0 lead in this five-match series, but extending their unbeaten record to eight successive victories in completed ODIs this year. It equals England's best run of ODI results and sustains their chance of leapfrogging Australia to become the No. 1 ODI side; a position they will assume if they win this series 5-0. That will also make them the first team to hold No. 1 rankings in all three forms of the game. This was the first ODI in which they had beaten Australia at the Oval since 1997.

Here Bell showed not just his class - a straight six off the bowling of Shane Watson quite majestic - but also his composure and maturity. Against an attack containing two men bowling in excess of 90 mph, he had time, confidence and the range of stokes required. He slog-swept David Hussey, cut Watson, swept Xavier Doherty and drove Mitchell Johnson with power. He looked a high-class player, quite at home on the ODI stage.

Ravi Bopara also enjoyed an excellent match. Having contributed a miserly five overs and taken the key wicket of Michael Clarke, pushing indeterminately at one outside off stump, he produced an admirably calm and increasingly assured innings of 82 to take England to the brink of a comfortable victory.

Clarke briefly created some uncertainly in the England ranks. He ended Bell's innings with his first delivery - the batsmen attempting to cut a delivery that was too full for the shot - and then saw Eoin Morgan adjudged leg before just two balls later. Hot Spot, which showed (on the third umpire's television, anyway) the faintest of touches on Morgan's inside edge, reprieved the batsman. England were never seriously troubled again and cruised to victory with six wickets and 4.2 overs in hand.

But Clarke's senior seamers let him down. Mitchell Johnson, perhaps rusty having bowled just six List A overs since sustaining a foot injury in November, came into the side due to Pat Cummins' withdrawal with a side strain, but donated three no-balls in his first two overs, with Alastair Cook and Bell taking advantage to thrash two of the resulting free-hits through mid-off for four. Brett Lee also donated five wides down the leg side in his second over. Only Clint McKay, who beat Cook with a good one that swing back in to trap the England captain leg before, and Watson, who might have had Bell caught for 70 had David Warner, at point, been able to hold on to a diving chance, threatened to stem the tide.

Nor did Australia score enough runs. Winning first use of a good batting pitch, they were indebted to half-centuries from Shane Watson and George Bailey but would reflect that they fell perhaps 25 runs short of par in such conditions.

Watson lived dangerously for much of his innings and, apart from edging the ball just past his own stumps (on 2 and 30), was dropped by Jonathan Trott, at gully, on 8. He also survived a run-out chance on 47 - had Ian Bell, at mid-on, hit with his throw Watson would have been out - and two decisions that were referred to the third umpire for review.

But if Watson was somewhat fortunate, Australia were grateful for his sense of urgency. His top-order colleagues struggled for fluency and, after David Warner had top-edged a pull to square leg, Peter Forrest, having scored only two from his first 17 deliveries, was brilliantly caught down the leg side. The departure of Clarke and the introduction of Graeme Swann and Bopara, saw Australia make only 24 in 10 overs and 53 in 18 in mid-innings as Bailey, in particular, became bogged down.

The pressure told on Watson, whose final 10 runs occupied 25 balls, and who, in attempting to loft Graeme Swann over the top, succeeded only in gifting a catch to deep mid-wicket.

Bailey - who scored only 26 from his first 61 balls - eventually found some momentum and, in partnership with the more dynamic Hussey added 78 in 13 overs before Finn, in his follow through, ran out the latter with a superb throw with just one stump to aim at.

That wicket stalled Australia's hopes of some late-innings acceleration. Bailey's lavish drive was beaten by some inswing, before Matthew Wade's attempt to scoop one over the keeper's head resulted only in a simple catch to short fine leg.

But England were far from their best with the ball or in the field. England's bowlers, missing James Anderson who was absent with a groin strain, donated eight wides, two no-balls and numerous deliveries that drifted on to the pads. Apart from dropping Watson, Bailey was also missed on 52, a tough chance offered to Tim Bresnan off Graeme Swann at deep midwicket, and could have been run out on 55 had Bopara hit from short distance. Lee was also dropped on 2 and 17, from the final ball of the innings, after Morgan, at long on, failed to cling on to tough chances.

In an odd way, however, England might find it encouraging that they could play so far below their best and still ease to victory against the No. 1 ranked ODI side.

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • RedRoseMan on July 4, 2012, 7:55 GMT

    Personally I would like to see Woakes play in the 3rd ODI today - in place of Bresnan if Anderson is fit. Though he has still to prove that he can take his game up to the international stage, his stats for Warwickshire over the last couple of seasons have been amazing! And would be great to see him get a game on his home ground.

    Unfortunately, it looks like the weather is likely to have a major impact on today's match and it is quite possible that it will be a wash-out to go with the almost washed out Test at Edgbaston. That would be a great result for Australia! ;-)

  • JG2704 on July 3, 2012, 17:43 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark on (July 03 2012, 15:11 PM GMT) For me - in these 2 games - Swann did a much better job than Bresnan period

  • praveen4honestremark on July 3, 2012, 17:32 GMT

    @ RedRoseMan...The article in which they compared Swann and Doherty was little above reality. Swann is doing good in containing runs, but comparing is not a fair thing. England has just come playing in UAE against best spinners( Paksitan spinners) in the world, so right now they are going in right way. It will be again difficult even for England like Australia on playing spin if Doherty comes with a new weapon. It's just a matter of time and you can see even Doherty can do well, even better than Swann. (Please don't get me wrong, i don't hate Swann)

  • praveen4honestremark on July 3, 2012, 17:24 GMT

    @JG2704 on (July 03 2012, 13:54 PM GMT)..... Swann has showed improvement in his bowling from 1st ODI where he went for 47 runs. Yes, it is true he is very economical in bowling but the situation when he came and bowled was when Australia lost too many wickets and so they had to play wait and watch game. As a Batsman attacking a spinner will not be a fair idea when you don't have sufficient wickets in hand. Even that is to be noted here.As ball will not have so much speed to play, so Aussies played safe in second match. Even his bowling showed a little improvement though. Watson wicket was just a gift. Aussie players failed i should say rather giving credit to Swann. Bailey showed how you can play Swann getting 10 runs per over too during last 10 overs. So, as wickets were not in hand they played safe.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 3, 2012, 16:44 GMT

    @jmcilhinney .. I will surely answer / reply to all your questions and also ask you few more but once England looses a match. Because England loosing will have many a answers for your questions and doubts. It will also answer how much i know and follow cricket.Hope you can wait till then. Thank you. @RedRoseMan & @ JG2704....Yes, I accept that Swann was keeping pressure from one end but it doesn't completely mean Bresnan was beneficary. Even there were instances in the matches played where even after playing a tight over of Swann Aussies were not under pressure playing others bowlers to hit runs. They got them easily. But as captain brings Bresnon , he takes one or two wickets even during slogging effectively. Bailey wicket was such an example. Bailey even after slow start in second ODI had scored quickly from 37th over . Finn and Debranch who were economical were hitted by Bailey this time. Only in 46th over twin strike by Bresnan had stopped slogging. So, skills of Bresnan were imp

  • praveen4honestremark on July 3, 2012, 15:11 GMT

    @jmcilhinney .. I will surely answer / reply to all your questions and also ask you few more but once England looses a match. Because England loosing will have many a answers for your questions and doubts. It will also answer how much i know and follow cricket.Hope you can wait till then. Thank you. @RedRoseMan & @ JG2704....Yes, I accept that Swann was keeping pressure from one end but it doesn't completely mean Bresnan was beneficiary. Even there were instances in the matches played where even after playing a tight over of Swann Aussies were not under pressure playing others bowlers to hit runs. They got them easily. But as captain brings Bresnon , he takes one or two wickets even during slogging effectively. Bailey wicket was such an example. Bailey even after slow start in second ODI had scored quickly from 37th over . Finn and Debranch who were economical were hitted by Bailey this time. Only in 46th over twin strike by Bresnan had stopped slogging. So, skills of Bresnan were imp.

  • RedRoseMan on July 3, 2012, 14:01 GMT

    @Praveen - just to back up the comments made, if you read the new article that has just appeared comparing Swann and Doherty it gives a good indication of the difference in performance of the two spin bowlers and of the difficulty the Australians found in getting Swann away. Admittedly Bailey was bound to say something to try to cover up his lacklustre batting performance which placed inordinate pressure on those who came after him, but it is also true that Watson was similarly tied down by Swann and Bopara.

  • JG2704 on July 3, 2012, 13:54 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark ctd Full stats would take up too much time and space but for example in 2nd ODI - Bres comes on after 9 overs with Aus34/1 RR 3.77 , conceeds 12 runs and after 10 Aus 46/1 (RR 4.6).Bres goes off after 18 overs 5 ovs for 28 (Aus RR 4.88 - over a RPO more than before he came on) Swann on over 22 (Aus RR 4.9) and after 7 overs he has only gone for 17 runs and even after a bad 8th where he goes for 10 Aus RR is still less than 4.5.And Watson was a huge wicket as he looked the one player capable of taking Aus up towards and maybe passed 300. Swann may not have taken all the wickets but that was because batsmen have been too respectful of his bowling to push on. look at the commentary sections of bothODIs and look at what the RR for Aus was before he came on and compare it to when he went off and do exactly the same with Bres and you'll see the difference.I like both players equally so have no reason to favour Swann and on other occs Bres will do better than Swann.

  • JG2704 on July 3, 2012, 13:33 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark -I know exactly what I saw.Swann came on and dried the runrate up and created pressure.Anyone who watches cricket will know that creating runrate pressure(esp in shorter fmts)often leads to wkts and it's not always the bowlers who created that pressure who get the wickets - often is not because the wkts are taken when the batting side is trying to get back into the game and increase the runrate to a degree where they're not playing comfortable shots.Swann wasnt lucky to get Watson.He created so much pressure that Watson had to force it.And re Finn - Hussey was a run out so doesn't count on his figures. Also I believe Swann could have had another wicket in the last game but had a catch dropped on the boundary - ironically by Bresnan.TBH re taking wickets etc alot depends on when wickets are taken. If you take wickets after the RR has dried up it's surely less important/influential than taking wickets after another bowler has dried up the runs to begin with.

  • jmcilhinney on July 3, 2012, 13:17 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark on (July 03 2012, 10:59 AM GMT), have you ever watched ODI cricket before? "what is more important in ODI is taking wickets". That is about as false a statement as could ever be made. Unless there's a rain interruption and D/L gets involved, wickets are of no consequence and all that matters is runs. The team whose bowlers give up fewer runs wins. If team A loses no wickets at all and team B loses 9 wickets but scores more runs then team B still wins. All teams would like to take wickets but only because it generally reduces the number of runs the opposition will score. If I had the choice of each bowler taking 2 wickets or giving up 7 fewer runs then I'd choose the latter. Are you saying that you'd choose the former?

  • RedRoseMan on July 4, 2012, 7:55 GMT

    Personally I would like to see Woakes play in the 3rd ODI today - in place of Bresnan if Anderson is fit. Though he has still to prove that he can take his game up to the international stage, his stats for Warwickshire over the last couple of seasons have been amazing! And would be great to see him get a game on his home ground.

    Unfortunately, it looks like the weather is likely to have a major impact on today's match and it is quite possible that it will be a wash-out to go with the almost washed out Test at Edgbaston. That would be a great result for Australia! ;-)

  • JG2704 on July 3, 2012, 17:43 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark on (July 03 2012, 15:11 PM GMT) For me - in these 2 games - Swann did a much better job than Bresnan period

  • praveen4honestremark on July 3, 2012, 17:32 GMT

    @ RedRoseMan...The article in which they compared Swann and Doherty was little above reality. Swann is doing good in containing runs, but comparing is not a fair thing. England has just come playing in UAE against best spinners( Paksitan spinners) in the world, so right now they are going in right way. It will be again difficult even for England like Australia on playing spin if Doherty comes with a new weapon. It's just a matter of time and you can see even Doherty can do well, even better than Swann. (Please don't get me wrong, i don't hate Swann)

  • praveen4honestremark on July 3, 2012, 17:24 GMT

    @JG2704 on (July 03 2012, 13:54 PM GMT)..... Swann has showed improvement in his bowling from 1st ODI where he went for 47 runs. Yes, it is true he is very economical in bowling but the situation when he came and bowled was when Australia lost too many wickets and so they had to play wait and watch game. As a Batsman attacking a spinner will not be a fair idea when you don't have sufficient wickets in hand. Even that is to be noted here.As ball will not have so much speed to play, so Aussies played safe in second match. Even his bowling showed a little improvement though. Watson wicket was just a gift. Aussie players failed i should say rather giving credit to Swann. Bailey showed how you can play Swann getting 10 runs per over too during last 10 overs. So, as wickets were not in hand they played safe.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 3, 2012, 16:44 GMT

    @jmcilhinney .. I will surely answer / reply to all your questions and also ask you few more but once England looses a match. Because England loosing will have many a answers for your questions and doubts. It will also answer how much i know and follow cricket.Hope you can wait till then. Thank you. @RedRoseMan & @ JG2704....Yes, I accept that Swann was keeping pressure from one end but it doesn't completely mean Bresnan was beneficary. Even there were instances in the matches played where even after playing a tight over of Swann Aussies were not under pressure playing others bowlers to hit runs. They got them easily. But as captain brings Bresnon , he takes one or two wickets even during slogging effectively. Bailey wicket was such an example. Bailey even after slow start in second ODI had scored quickly from 37th over . Finn and Debranch who were economical were hitted by Bailey this time. Only in 46th over twin strike by Bresnan had stopped slogging. So, skills of Bresnan were imp

  • praveen4honestremark on July 3, 2012, 15:11 GMT

    @jmcilhinney .. I will surely answer / reply to all your questions and also ask you few more but once England looses a match. Because England loosing will have many a answers for your questions and doubts. It will also answer how much i know and follow cricket.Hope you can wait till then. Thank you. @RedRoseMan & @ JG2704....Yes, I accept that Swann was keeping pressure from one end but it doesn't completely mean Bresnan was beneficiary. Even there were instances in the matches played where even after playing a tight over of Swann Aussies were not under pressure playing others bowlers to hit runs. They got them easily. But as captain brings Bresnon , he takes one or two wickets even during slogging effectively. Bailey wicket was such an example. Bailey even after slow start in second ODI had scored quickly from 37th over . Finn and Debranch who were economical were hitted by Bailey this time. Only in 46th over twin strike by Bresnan had stopped slogging. So, skills of Bresnan were imp.

  • RedRoseMan on July 3, 2012, 14:01 GMT

    @Praveen - just to back up the comments made, if you read the new article that has just appeared comparing Swann and Doherty it gives a good indication of the difference in performance of the two spin bowlers and of the difficulty the Australians found in getting Swann away. Admittedly Bailey was bound to say something to try to cover up his lacklustre batting performance which placed inordinate pressure on those who came after him, but it is also true that Watson was similarly tied down by Swann and Bopara.

  • JG2704 on July 3, 2012, 13:54 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark ctd Full stats would take up too much time and space but for example in 2nd ODI - Bres comes on after 9 overs with Aus34/1 RR 3.77 , conceeds 12 runs and after 10 Aus 46/1 (RR 4.6).Bres goes off after 18 overs 5 ovs for 28 (Aus RR 4.88 - over a RPO more than before he came on) Swann on over 22 (Aus RR 4.9) and after 7 overs he has only gone for 17 runs and even after a bad 8th where he goes for 10 Aus RR is still less than 4.5.And Watson was a huge wicket as he looked the one player capable of taking Aus up towards and maybe passed 300. Swann may not have taken all the wickets but that was because batsmen have been too respectful of his bowling to push on. look at the commentary sections of bothODIs and look at what the RR for Aus was before he came on and compare it to when he went off and do exactly the same with Bres and you'll see the difference.I like both players equally so have no reason to favour Swann and on other occs Bres will do better than Swann.

  • JG2704 on July 3, 2012, 13:33 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark -I know exactly what I saw.Swann came on and dried the runrate up and created pressure.Anyone who watches cricket will know that creating runrate pressure(esp in shorter fmts)often leads to wkts and it's not always the bowlers who created that pressure who get the wickets - often is not because the wkts are taken when the batting side is trying to get back into the game and increase the runrate to a degree where they're not playing comfortable shots.Swann wasnt lucky to get Watson.He created so much pressure that Watson had to force it.And re Finn - Hussey was a run out so doesn't count on his figures. Also I believe Swann could have had another wicket in the last game but had a catch dropped on the boundary - ironically by Bresnan.TBH re taking wickets etc alot depends on when wickets are taken. If you take wickets after the RR has dried up it's surely less important/influential than taking wickets after another bowler has dried up the runs to begin with.

  • jmcilhinney on July 3, 2012, 13:17 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark on (July 03 2012, 10:59 AM GMT), have you ever watched ODI cricket before? "what is more important in ODI is taking wickets". That is about as false a statement as could ever be made. Unless there's a rain interruption and D/L gets involved, wickets are of no consequence and all that matters is runs. The team whose bowlers give up fewer runs wins. If team A loses no wickets at all and team B loses 9 wickets but scores more runs then team B still wins. All teams would like to take wickets but only because it generally reduces the number of runs the opposition will score. If I had the choice of each bowler taking 2 wickets or giving up 7 fewer runs then I'd choose the latter. Are you saying that you'd choose the former?

  • RedRoseMan on July 3, 2012, 11:56 GMT

    Sorry Praveen, you are simply wrong! Stats don't tell you everything. Bresnan is a good player but he is looking rather out of form at the moment (and did so in the WI Tests as well). At his best, he is quicker than he looks, bowls a "heavy" ball and is one of the most accurate bowlers around. He has been way short of that form in this ODI series, as JG2704 has pointed out - though I wouldn't go so far as to read his decline as terminal.

    Stats are misleading, particularly in ODIs and T20s - economy rates depend on when the bowler bowls - it is a lot tougher opening the bowling in the PP overs (particularly against power players like Watson and Warner) and a lot tougher closing the innings than it is bowling in the middle overs. The spell of Swann and Bopara pretty much closed the game out at the Oval (albeit helped by woefully unenterprising batting) - after that Australia were massively behind the rate for a reasonable total.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 3, 2012, 10:59 GMT

    Contd...@ JG2704....So when you look at the stats of three bowlers i.e., Bresnan, Finn and Swann the wickets taken by them are 4, 3, 1 and respectively with cumulative bowing averages of 5.8, 4.35, 4.025 in the two matches. Swann was wicketless during 1st ODI and gave away 47 runs, is that okay for u ?? Bresnan on other hand gave 54 runs and took 2 wickets, giving away just 7 more than Swann, but where is Swann in taking wickets?? He was wicket less in 1st ODI.And even Finn dismissal of Hussey was rather lucky; after hitting helmet the ball drops on stumps.Swann was most lucky to get Watson out. You will watch in coming matches, how Swann will be trashed. He is not a great bowler in ODI's. Just that he gives a little less runs but is that ok, even if you don't take a wicket??? Judge yourself.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 3, 2012, 10:39 GMT

    @ JG2704....I mean to say you will understand the importance of Bresnan in team after only if in a match all others fail to pick wickets , going for runs and captain goes for him.Bresnan is going for some runs, but this is ODI. It happens, and what is more important in ODI is taking wickets. But, okay..let's compare three of them Bresnan, Finn and Swann..Here are stats 4 u. 1st ODI ST Finn 10 0 47 2 4.70 [Watson & Hussey] TT Bresnan 10 0 54 2 5.40 [Smith & Clarke] GP Swann 10 0 47 0 4.70 [None] 2nd ODI ST Finn 9 0 36 1 4.00 [Warner] TT Bresnan 8 0 50 2 6.25 [Bailey & Wade] GP Swann 8 0 27 1 3.37 [Watson]

    Here you see Bresnan taking wickets at crucial juncture.The middle order Batsman and sloggers. Swann was lucky to get Watson in 2nd match, it was not a wicket taking ball, Watson was tired; if not Swann is wicketless. Finn is with 3 wkt

  • JG2704 on July 3, 2012, 8:10 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark on (July 03 2012, 00:23 AM GMT) You say about all the English bowlers getting trashed (and I'm talking about this series and nothing else). May I ask which England bowlers are being trshed all over the place before Bres has come on? I make it that he was the 2nd most expensive bowler in the 1st match and thee most expensive bowler in the 2nd even after Jade's horror at the end. Bres used to have much better control and could dry up the runs. Yes he took wickets but I'd say other bowlers have taken as/if not more crucial wkts and he does seem to improve after a few overs. I'd still say Swann and Finn have been our best bowlers in this series by far

  • jmcilhinney on July 3, 2012, 4:21 GMT

    @sweet2hrme on (July 02 2012, 17:15 PM GMT), did you see or read anything of the tour of UAE? The bowlers were very good throughout the whole tour, including the Test matches. It was the batsmen who let the team down. Also, England whitewashed the recent Asia Cup winners 4-0 in that ODI series. England certainly could do with some improvement in subcontinent(-like) conditions and they weren't great in any department in the last ODI series in India but I'm quite hopeful that they're heading in the right direction.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 3, 2012, 0:23 GMT

    @JG2704...hmmm, i hope you will understand the importance of Bresnan when every other England bowler getting trashed and Cook goes for Bresnan for wickets. Anyways he has taken 4 wickets in 2 matches, the most crucial wickets. In ODI's containing a batsman will not help, as they may slog in final overs. This guy bowls both in beginning and death overs. Very crucial link in England. I can say you this, he is way above Swann. Other bowlers may become ineffective in others places of world but Bresnan is more of a Flintoff like. He gets pace, yorkers and reverse swing.

  • 5wombats on July 2, 2012, 22:30 GMT

    @Riingo - he was one of the ones who began the india tour of England 2011 - full of the joys of spring; big talk galore about what india were going to do to England, etc. As the summer wore on he got quieter and quieter, until by the Oval Test there was complete silence.... Anway - that india tour of England didn't count because it was not in india, and it didn't count because india won in 2007, and it didn't count because, and, and, and.....

  • The_bowlers_Holding on July 2, 2012, 21:29 GMT

    Wombats your response to that renowned wit Bigwonder made me chortle, evidently the tedious and deranged obsession with trying to belittle any aspect of an England post is as irritating to you as I find it.

  • SirViv1973 on July 2, 2012, 20:19 GMT

    @KK_cricket, Shaun Marsh looked so bad in the test series against Ind, that I think the selectors have just decided to forget about him in all forms of the game for the immediate future, and to be fair 17 runs in 5 inns against that bowling attack you can't blame them. He's pretty injury prone as well so that's not going to help either. Perhaps an injury free season back playing for western Australia could get him back in contention. A similar thing has just happened to Kirk Edwards for West Indies after a very promising start to his international career he couldn't buy a run on the recent tour and will now have to go back and rebuild his confidence in domestic cricket.

  • JG2704 on July 2, 2012, 19:39 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark on (July 02 2012, 16:39 PM GMT) Bres has actually looked the worst of our bowlers in these 2 matches. And re accuracy , his radar has been all over the place , esp in the beginning overs of his spells

  • desi-blue on July 2, 2012, 19:03 GMT

    Why is this even news??...as it has been clearly proved in the past England ''Does not take odi's seriously''At least when they lose anyway haha...just kidding...on a serious note though,England do look good...but the series is still alive...hopefully the Aussies can make a strong comeback and we get to see some exciting cricket...PAK vs LANKA,ENG VS AUS,WI VS NZ,IND VS LANKA,ENG VS SA,T20 W.C!!!..Great time to be a Cricket fan..

  • 5wombats on July 2, 2012, 18:47 GMT

    @bigwonder on (July 02 2012, 14:38 PM GMT). Here's simple math. In order for india to reach #1 status in ODI, they should schedule all of their ODI's for next 2 years in india. They seem to win every match - test or ODI when they play in india. We have already seen how they perform outside of their den; Abysmally. Welcome @bigwonder - Hope you are enjoying watching England winning. Just like last year isn't it?

  • sweet2hrme on July 2, 2012, 17:15 GMT

    No doubt, England is very good side when they play at home. But what happen when they play outside. Their bowlers become ordinary except swann. You had seen how pakistani had cleaned up in test match. Their most of bowlers fears to go in subcontinents. Either they make excuse or their board say they are rested. Yes if England want to be NO.1 position in both Test & ODI they have to play their all matches in home condition atleast 2 years. As far as this Netwest series is concern Australian bowlers are too tired. It's surpise that their best bowlers HIlfanas & M Starc in these seaming condition are not playing. One genuine risk sinner is missing. Mr Foster is look like ordinary bastman. I think Warner & wade should open, then george baily and then 2nd down watson. Lots of things to be correct otherwise its look like England Vs Ordinary Australia.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 2, 2012, 16:39 GMT

    @JG2704...Cook mostly goes for Bresnon if he wants a wicket and he is most reliable bowler from some months; due to his accurate bowling. He is much reliable bowler after Anderson for Cook. Sometimes it happens he may miss some catches but he will learn it, just blaming is too bad.

  • bigwonder on July 2, 2012, 14:38 GMT

    Here's simple math. In order for England to reach #1 status in ODI, they should schedule all of their ODI's for next 2 years in England. They seem to win every match - test or ODI when they play in England. Now it still remains to be seen how they perform outside of their den.

  • wnwn on July 2, 2012, 14:32 GMT

    Australia should play the following team for Edgbaston: Watson, Warner, Wade, Clarke, Bailey, Forrest, D Hussey, Lee, Pattinson, Mckay, Hilfenhaus.

  • on July 2, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    So, yet another cracking warm-up match against Australia A. Does anyone know when the full Australian ODI team will be arriving?

  • Nathan30 on July 2, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    Orsoncarte - Funny stuff love it. Right here it is plain and simple. Bell = Class player no doubt Warner = needs to learn to move his feet Smith = useless get rid Johnson = useless get rid Wato = Absolute class bat but lose some weight off that fat ass and stop loafing in to bowl Clarke = Good player needs to bowl more Lee = too old now champ give it away Philip Hughes = rubbish test player but wouldn't he be more suited to ODI's? Jury is still out on the other young grade crickets representing Aus England = good team shame they still can't catch Swan = overrated Broad = overated Cook = Class Trott = Class Anderson = Class I really hope the Aus selectors and players read this and wake up to themselves, you are representing your country!

  • JG2704 on July 2, 2012, 13:27 GMT

    @praveen4honestremark on (July 02 2012, 00:30 AM GMT) - I think Bres has been a bit of a liability in this series by and large.

  • JG2704 on July 2, 2012, 13:27 GMT

    @Juiceoftheapple on (July 01 2012, 21:52 PM GMT) I would have Ravi as an accumulator. By his usual SRs which are around the same as guys like Trott,Bell,Cook etc. I'd say Jos is an inbetween batsman who can accumulate but can also hit a ball. He also seems to have a mindset to score singles from the off and wait til he's ready to play the big shots. Having said that he has yet to prove it for England and re being a decent player of spin Craig looked better in SC conditions in CL. Would still like to see him given an opportunity where he comes with plenty of time to use etc.

  • JG2704 on July 2, 2012, 13:27 GMT

    @Mayan820 on (July 01 2012, 21:09 PM GMT) I was trying to work out if there was an OD series result which would mean that SA go to number 1 in the ODI rankings before playing again but it looks as though if Eng win 5-0 they would go top and if they won 4-1 or even 4-0 (with 1 tie or NR) Aus would remain top. Eng still have to win the series and as an Eng fan who has had so many false alarms in this fmt just winning the series - even form here - would be great. Look forward to the 2 series with SA - Should be close as always

  • JG2704 on July 2, 2012, 13:26 GMT

    @anuradha_d on (July 01 2012, 21:01 PM GMT) The same format as which the world cup which India won last year. So international T20 isn't as important as IPL? I wonder how you come to that conclusion?

  • JG2704 on July 2, 2012, 13:26 GMT

    @CS - Re Swann - points taken. I know Jade was unlucky on this occasion but how often does he go for big runs at the back end of an inns? Just looked at the Lords stats and the 40th over Swann went for 3 , in the 42nd he went for 12 (but 10 of those runs were from 2 shots) and the 48th over he went for 6. Also the 42nd over was against 2 very well set batsmen who had to get on with it. But if you either take the 48th over alone or the ave from those 3 overs Swann went at 6/7 an over. If you were to take odds of Dernbach going at higher or lower that 6/7 an over at the end of an inns what would you take? I'd def go higher. Also seems strange that he doesn't use up his full quota.

  • JG2704 on July 2, 2012, 13:26 GMT

    @SirViv1973 on (July 01 2012, 20:24 PM GMT) SL weren't the only ones. Aus had Gilchrist and Hayden , WI still have Gayle. But to me Eng are probably doing the right thing if they don't have the personnel for that. I see parallels in their search for the number 6 batsman in tests.

  • JG2704 on July 2, 2012, 13:25 GMT

    @MrBrightside92 on (July 02 2012, 10:31 AM GMT) - To be fair , it was a totally different bowling attack from that which drew in tests in SA

  • JG2704 on July 2, 2012, 13:25 GMT

    @Joninnorwich on (July 02 2012, 08:13 AM GMT) - Not sure there. I did (maybe my imagination) notice in the last test when one of the WI wickets fell that KP seemed to distance himself from the celebrations where he'd normally be 1st in there. Morgan has started talking about the Eng T20 game needing to be glammed up (translated as please pay me IPL wages). I don't necessarily see KP as a disruptive influence (as in dressing room etc) but if he is encouraging other Eng players to play IPL and that leads them to stop playing for Eng in ODIs/T20s then I suppose it is kind of disruptive. Swann has openly said he does not like ODIs and Broad is very injury prone. If both guys were to be picked for IPL and play it in 2013 , I'd be interested to see if they'd continue for Eng in the blue colours.

  • JG2704 on July 2, 2012, 13:25 GMT

    @Jono Makim Problem is that the selectors want to try and keep as many bowlers fresh for tests. Cummings has just got injured on this tour and our Jimmy is the same - although I think it's more precautionary. I don't know what these guys are like in ltd overs cricket. MJ is acc to ICC the top Aus ODI bowler and many Aus fans were bigging him up pre this tour. Unless the rankings lie I'd keep him in there as he is often either a game winner or liability vs Eng and also it's not so important to keep him fresh as he plays no test cricket. Mckay looks really good. I like the look of Starc who has been doing well in Yorks. I also wonder if batting is not more of a problem. After Warner/Watson no one seems to accelerate the RR. I don't want to tempt fate by criticising individuals as it'll probably come back to haunt me

  • JG2704 on July 2, 2012, 13:25 GMT

    @getsetgopk on (July 02 2012, 03:25 AM GMT) Thanks for nice , respectful comms - full respect to team Pak and fans,

  • Trickz on July 2, 2012, 13:16 GMT

    Come on aussie, get stuck into it and show the world why we are world #1

  • YorkshirePudding on July 2, 2012, 12:44 GMT

    @Stark62, really I'd actually have the top three as being SA, Ind, Eng, as I think the number one in ODI's can change 3-4 times in the next 8-9 months, depending on results,with those three teams being ranked the number one. If england Beat Aus 5-0 they go top, but then if India beat SL by 3/4 games they go top, with SA being able to go top if they beat england by a clean sweep, or Engalnd regain the top if they beat SA by 4 games. Mind you its all based on engladn getting a 5-0 against Aus.

  • jb633 on July 2, 2012, 12:41 GMT

    I do not want to dismiss this Aus side because they do have some good players sat on the bench. I do however think that a number of their players are actually scared of playing against England. Johnson and Doherty are two examples. I watched Doherty play in the triangular series against Ind and SL this winter, well our winter anyway, and he bowled really well in most of the games. Ind and SL are better players of spin that the Eng bats, yet he looks so nervous. Johnson has a very good record in ODI cricket but whenever he comes up against England he seems to go to pieces. I think the pasting both of them received in Ashes 10 left a great deal of mental scarring that is still to heal. I think Bell has the same against Ajmal. I think regardless of form players do fear some opponents to the extent that it puts them off their own game. If both these bowlers bowled like they can do they would be fine, but simply they are not performing, and I don't think they ever will for that matter.

  • RedRoseMan on July 2, 2012, 12:35 GMT

    As for Australia? Watson- potentially the best no 7 in world cricket, but ordinary as a pinch-hitting opener. Warner - great eye, but will be found out when the ball moves because his foot movement is often non-existent. Bailey - why is a T20 specialist auditioning for Test cricket in a ODI team?! Clarke - class player and even classier captain. Forrest - I blinked and I missed him so cant comment. Hussey - useful bits and pieces ODI player, but is not in the same class as his brother. Wade - looks a decent bat, but his keeping (in English conditions at least) is weak. Smith - a specialist batsman - you must be joking!! Lee - still a world class bowler and frankly could bat in the top six in this line-up. McKay - looks a damn good ODI bowler - wouldtake a lot more wickets if someone else could bowl tight at the other end. Johnson - loads of talent, no bottle. Doherty - who? Cummins - great potential, but will he ever play more than two games on the bounce for Australia?

  • cyborg on July 2, 2012, 12:33 GMT

    a well played match , i dont why persons are gunning for Watson , he played a valuable knock with bailey , i think forrest and smith should get together with the batting coach , nice batting by Bopara , bell is world class , Morgan for me was out first ball , a good match

  • RedRoseMan on July 2, 2012, 12:23 GMT

    I'm not sure that this series is doing England any favours so far, other than in terms of confidence building. A facile win at the Oval to follow a win at Lords which was only close because the toss gave Australia a 25+ run advantage. The issue for England is that the real potential of players like Bell (as a ODI opener), Bopara, Kieswetter and Dernbach is not really being tested - and I certainly don't see this as a battle for the no 1 slot in ODI cricket. Flower and Cook are far too sensible to get carried away by success even if England do complete a whitewash, but it may not be helpful for names that have previously only been pencilled in to start being inked in on the basis of this series.

  • heathrf1974 on July 2, 2012, 11:57 GMT

    I wonder what Hilfenhaus is doing?

  • Hammond on July 2, 2012, 11:48 GMT

    Can I just add that I watched the whole game and here is what struck me. Firstly England lost the toss and Australia batted on a belter of a wicket. Secondly they were missing their best bowler (Anderson). Thirdly I can't remember how many catches England dropped. Fourthly the rain came down and both balls became wet (when England were bowling) and lastly England gifted Australia 25 extras when they bowled (fourth top scorer). And yet Australia still lost, easily. What will happen when England get everything right? Will Australia even be able to compete? I mean England gave them such a head start and still they just crumpled.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 2, 2012, 11:46 GMT

    I was thinking maybe Brett Lee should be hoisted up the batting order. His wicket tally is looking rather bare, but boy can he swing the bat! I'd even go as far to say he's a better option than Smith...

  • Charlie101 on July 2, 2012, 11:30 GMT

    It seems to me that the ODI game has changed drastically with the 2 new ball rules and we are lucky that or our coaching staff have fully understood that the bowlers are now in charge on English / seam friendly wiclets I dont believe that there is now room for bits and pieces players and slogging batsmen like a Sehwag or Warner ( certainly on our seaming pitches ) . Of couse these guys will come off from time to time but if they open the batting it will be less and less going forward . I think it will be good for the ODI game and make it also very different to the T20 game. It will be interesting on Wednesday if Australia strenghen their bowling attack with Hilfinhaus and Pattinson , dropping Mitch and Forest. Lets hope they keep playing Mitch

  • elle119 on July 2, 2012, 11:08 GMT

    I think a lot of people have mentioned Forrest and Bailey being too slow, which is of course very true. To me, however, yesterday's batting lineup, if not incorrect in its make-up, was at the very least incorrect in its order. After Warner, everyone else until Wade was a RHB... that makes it much easier for the bowlers to maintain their lines and lengths. I think Forrest/Bailey (not both) might be better used opening and put Watson down to 3. Wade in at 5 and D.Hussey who is more of a busy batsman pinching singles in at 6 would be a better combination in my opinion. It's quite amazing how much difference the absence of an efficient, busy LHB in Mike Hussey makes to the batting line up. As for Johnson <sigh> enough said. You cannot pick a bowler to come back in after months out of the game without prior match practice. Not that it makes a big difference... he seems to have picked up exactly where he left off... and here I was thinking Inverarity was different to previous panel :p

  • A_Yorkshire_Lad on July 2, 2012, 10:58 GMT

    @Randyoz - Hammond being a fair weather fan , what are you on about ? He's been posting quite regularly for a while . It's funny how even your sledging is comming off the rails , just like your team.

  • LALITHKURUWITA on July 2, 2012, 10:50 GMT

    "Watson questions England batting depth" I did not understand what Watson said before the start of the series. Is that Aussies are batting to No 11 or close to it as we we saw in the first 2 ODI's whereas Poms could not bat that far like they bat only upto No 6 or 7? Please somebody explain me. Would it continue in the next 3 ODI's as Watson mentioned ?

  • Stark62 on July 2, 2012, 10:34 GMT

    @ Peter Walcott

    I agree with you 100%!!

    The ODI rankings should be something like this: 1- Ind, 2- SA, 3- SL, 4- Eng, 5- Windies, 6- Aus, 7- Pak and at 8- NZ

  • MrBrightside92 on July 2, 2012, 10:31 GMT

    It really has surprised me in that I thought if Eng didn't get early wickets then Oz would milk the middle overs to their hearts content. The middle overs have been their downfall. Oz and India (even outside India) can nurdle to their hearts content in ODI's and Eng have historically been poor. Dernbach was unlucky with a number of drops whereas Broad gets a wicket with a poor ball and an excellent catch. The other thing about the second ODI was everybody made a contribution..top 5 bats...keeper and bowlers all contributed. RandyOz, ok comment about the fair weather fans but also if you make statements about OZ having the best bowling attack (backed up by Bill Lawrie I believe) these guys have to deliver...by the way, this Oz attack kept SA pretty much in check in the test 1-1...only saying..

  • Orienteer on July 2, 2012, 10:30 GMT

    To all the Australian posters who continue to berate England for having South African born players of English parentage in the team, could you please remind those Australian posters who are calling for Usman Khawaja to come into the team, that by doing so, it would destroy your flimsy excuses. As a Pakistan born player with no Australian lineage, surely by your arguments he should only ever be allowed to play for Pakistan?

  • Orienteer on July 2, 2012, 10:24 GMT

    It was very nice of Shane Watson to offer his advice at the start of the series about his fears for England's tail, with Tim Bresnan apparently not being good enough as a Number 7 batsman. Mr Watson, if Bresnan ever gets a chance to bat in this series, we'll see if you were right or not!

  • praveen4honestremark on July 2, 2012, 9:44 GMT

    @R_U_4_REAL_NICK.....Lyon stats- 1/48, 4/63 Australia v India Adelaide 24 Jan 2012 Test # 2031. I feel a specialist bowler Lyon can do more harm to England than Hauritz. His 4/63 against India(considering Indian Batsman play spinners very well) is quite a good stat to get selected for playing in Australian team against England. Hauritz bats well over Lyon,but what is hurting Australia more is that they are not able to pick wickets and Lyon can help Australia in picking wickets; at least 2 wickets. I expect Hilfy to come back if he fit and available keeping Brett Lee out. And Lyon in place of Doherty. Johnson will prove his worth in next game; i am confident on this. Australia need to shuffle it's batting line up too. Wade should come after 2down. Bailey should be retained and he will prove himself. If there is any one to be removed in Batsman, it should be Warner. He doesn't have great technique to play swing bowling. Try some other as opener, and all changes to be done urgently

  • on July 2, 2012, 9:37 GMT

    Not an Aussie fan, but i do miss the REAL Australian team. Warne, Gilchrist,McGrath, Ponting, Symonds, Hayden etc... I think had those guys been around now and with the current crop of English and SA players we wuda had some great matches. Friday and especially Sunday's game weren't great.

  • 5wombats on July 2, 2012, 9:34 GMT

    That was too easy. Look - this cannot possibly be a full strength Australia side - surely they have better players than this back in Aus??? This must be an Australia "Development" team - players for the future - that kind of thing. It's the only possible explanation. please pubish.

  • RandyOZ on July 2, 2012, 9:04 GMT

    A lot of people having a go at Watson. At least the bloke is scoring, whether he goes past 50 or not is irrelevant if the others are scoring, but they aren't. Where is the accountability for Forrest, Smith and Bailey. Oh and of course on top of all that LANGER? What has he done. The selectors are letting Australia down with their favouritism.

  • RandyOZ on July 2, 2012, 8:56 GMT

    Funny all the poms that have come out of the woodwork all of a sudden, isn't it? @5wombats @FFL @ Hammond @landl etc. Fair weather or what. @Hammond - considering you went absent for the entire Pakistan and UAE series, excuse me if I take everything you say with the smallest grain of salt I can possibly find.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 2, 2012, 8:32 GMT

    @NaniIndCri, praveen4honestremark: I think a good spinner is essential in an ODI team. It absolutely baffles me why Aus. insist on the likes of Doherty and Smith, when Hauritz and Lyon have shown much better promise. Clarke is a very useful, underrated bowler as he's shown time and time again, but alas his poor back isn't up to more than 3 or 4 overs max.

  • Joninnorwich on July 2, 2012, 8:13 GMT

    I have long suspected (though I have no proof) that KP is not that well liked in the dressing room and is seen by management as a disruptive influence. Undoubtedly he is a fantastic player (or at least he can be when he puts his mind to it) but there is something of the "I'm bigger than the sport that gets up my nose about the guy. I'm pleased he's gone, and if he left the test arena too, there are others who would fill the slot. The England ODI side looks far more of a team without him. Windies should treat Gayle the same!

  • Hasheem on July 2, 2012, 7:38 GMT

    The manner in which Australia got slaughtered must make Clarke sit up and take some hard decisions,Lee for one is a waste ,Jhonson deserves no place in the WA side forget playing for Australia. At Best the Aussie batting is mediocre for sure,chronic instability,Flat,lack of obvious class. Mackay at best can contain and not take wickets,Michel Hogan looks better.Doherty is plain ordinary . Is Clarke willing to look into this,if he does ,his side will stand a chance.

  • satish619chandar on July 2, 2012, 7:31 GMT

    Aussies are just vulnerable as anyone without Mike Hussey.. Even in WI they might have lost more if not for Mr.Cricket.. Australia lacks quality resources surely in batting.. Bowling wise, why pick Mitch if they had Pattinson in the squad? Is Cummins their NEXT superstar but for one game he plays to get injured for next season? Better they could play Hilfy/Siddle or anyone as regulars than Cummins..

  • on July 2, 2012, 7:20 GMT

    Having watched the two ODI's so far played, I suggest Aust are just going through the motions. They seem to be making very little effort with the team they have which isn't the best team they could have put on the field. Not really interested Aussies???. How quickly people forget KP and his brilliance. Ian Bell may be an excellent batsman but he will never be a Kevin Pietersen. I will eat those words after Sri Lanka if Bell does well on the wickets over there. We need KP in Sri Lanka . Without him I cannot see success . Think about it ECB!!!!

  • on July 2, 2012, 7:12 GMT

    Thank god this isn't our test team too... Really, this is miserable stuff from Australia. They've sent some young players over there for a bit of experience and a run out for the next ashes. But who sees Lee and Mitch opening the bowling there? Rather I think it's the selectors who need to be garnering experience from this and focussing on taking/playing our highest quality players. Hilfenhaus, Siddle, Starc, Pattinson, Cummins and Lyon should all be playing here with Harris getting a couple of runs too. On the upside McKay has been okay and the batting I think will click at sometime but really, what a crazy tour.

  • anver777 on July 2, 2012, 6:48 GMT

    A clinical win for ENG !! Bell's magic touch in ODI's continues..... Aus need to win the 3rd match to keep the hopes alive in the series !!!!!!

  • KK_Cricket on July 2, 2012, 6:45 GMT

    Australia are picking Forrest and Bailey.. What wrong have Shaun Marsh and Fergusson done? And even Mitchell Marsh.. Looking at current Aussie set up, both Marsh brothers deserve to be in the team.. Shaun Marsh is a match winner and can be lethal against pace and needs to be persisted ahead of Forrest/Bailey.. Aussies have got all wrong.. And please pick Mitchell Starc ahead of Johnson if you want to play a left arm fast bowler.. way ahead of Johnson for now..

  • Nizam1949 on July 2, 2012, 5:47 GMT

    It is nice to see England's resurgence, if not resurrection, in the game that they had invented. And, deservedly so.

    Cricket lovers all over the world arguably love England's county Cricket that has history, tradition and folklore. While upstarts make the game a marketing hoopla and advertisement bonanza, the serenity of county Cricket still glows in its luster for its laid back style.

    Keep it that way, England.

    The show must go on. Three cheers!

  • jmcilhinney on July 2, 2012, 5:46 GMT

    @RandyOZ on (July 01 2012, 21:56 PM GMT), I hope you don't think that saying "no excuses" is going to earn you any respect, especially since you tried yet again to blame the coach just recently, which sounds awfully like an excuse to me. If respect is of any consequence to you then you might try the concept of credit where it's due.

  • ajayrcs on July 2, 2012, 5:44 GMT

    Thats an Australian team outside Australia and without Ponting. Blame it on all the selectors. They dropped Ponting to bring youth and they drop Steven Smith For Lee and David Hussey. It is a signal for Australia losing No.1 Spot to England.

  • on July 2, 2012, 5:29 GMT

    WOW! Now we can easily say England invented this game!

  • YorkshirePudding on July 2, 2012, 5:20 GMT

    @gpm86,Not sure what the answer is for you guys but I'd liked to have seen Pattinson rather than Johnson play yesterday as I think he would have been more effective than Johnson. I thought McKay has looked the part and is just missing experience, I was also suprised they didnt open the bowling with him. I actually liked watching Bailey bat, he did a job after losing a few quick wickets with not many on the board. Clarke, Warner and Forrest were the real culprits yesterday with SR's less than 50. I also think moving Wade up the order might be one thing to look at as has he comes in too late to be effective so has to slog from the start rather than having time to shift up through the gears. Batting wise, who else is in the cupboard for the likes for Forrest? this wasnt a flawless performance from england either, I made 5-6 dropped catches (some expectionally difficult).

  • zenboomerang on July 2, 2012, 5:09 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas... Re: Ponting, Mr C... Both have been missed & added much more than just their batting skills in OD'ers... Ponting has had better form in OD'ers over the last few years than in Test series (excluding India Test series) so was surprised that he was dropped in preference for Forrest who doesn't have a one day game - not yet, anyway...

  • zenboomerang on July 2, 2012, 5:08 GMT

    @jmcilhinney... Re: Watson - I have lost confidence in Watsons durability (& mental approach since being named VC) as a batter, he often gets lost when around the 50 mark... This year his Test average is down 5 runs, while his ODI average is down nearly 11 runs... Not something you would expect from someone who is supposedly at the prime of his skills...

  • satish619chandar on July 2, 2012, 4:45 GMT

    Having Forrest and Bailey in same team wont work in ODI for sure.. I still believe, rather than Forrest, Smith can add more value to the side as fielder and a bowler(why he is heavily underused?) plus, try Smith as pich hitter too.. How about Voges for that position at 7? Better batter, better finisher, better fielder and can bowl too..

  • zenboomerang on July 2, 2012, 4:32 GMT

    I mentioned before the series started that in looked like a 3-2 or 4-1 scoreline to Eng... Be surprised if it isn't now... Oz didn't pick the best batters or bowlers for this series - Forrest, Bailey better suited to the 4 day game... Smith didn't show anything special in the Oz OD cup... Cummins still raw & broken again, Pattinson hasn't learnt his best game yet, Johnson coming off a long break, Lee goes through average patches... I have no idea why Hilfenhaus hasn't bowled yet or why Harris & Siddle aren't in the squad, let alone Starc who looks more dangerous than Johnson & had an excellent Ryobi Cup season... There are a number of Aust A players that have had much better results over last summer & should have been considered...

  • on July 2, 2012, 4:32 GMT

    Hughes is performing well in county cricket, and ha a good ListA and T20 record. Why not select him for the rest of the ODIs, he is in England at the moment and in good form for Worcs.

  • Okakaboka on July 2, 2012, 4:10 GMT

    I've been saying it for 2 years now....Spraygun Johnston is now nothing more than a grade cricketer. He must be removed...end of story...full stop....The end. As for hosting 2 batsman like Forrest and Bailey in a one day time......that is the equivalent of Geoff Boycott all the way down. Despite our stupid SFB selectors, England did bowl very well.

  • parram on July 2, 2012, 3:52 GMT

    Both Bopara and Bell played well, Bopara made his runs in less balls , he is the player of the match, why is Ian Bell's Photo on the front page and not Bopara's ? Why Ian Bells name is before Bopara? What is ESPN trying to prove again and again? Bopara's photo should be on the front page as he is the man of the match and made more runs in less balls.

  • simon_w on July 2, 2012, 3:50 GMT

    @Mayan820 the SA supporter -- completely agree, it should be a fantastic tour later in the summer, with so much on the line! SA seem to be the only side in the world right now who might be able to give England a game at home. We've been expecting challenges as the summer has gone on (from WI in ODI and esp. T20, and then from ODI #1 ranked Australia), but we've yet to see England out of cruise mode. Surely South Africa can push England?

  • on July 2, 2012, 3:46 GMT

    it was clearly a case of confused selection from the Aussies and Clarke's clear case of favoritism is playing a big part now...playing Forrest at no.3 when Bailey is available and not selecting proven finishers at intl stages like Ferguson n Voges got clearly exposed ..playing 15 dot balls upfront is enough reason to drop Forrest forever (I dnt undstd hw he is gettin repeated chnce despite his modest records)...play Bailey at 3 n bring back Ferguson n groom him to succeed MEK HUSSEY...David Hussey was also playing at 1 position too low..on current form even Cameron White deserves a chance...Aus is clrly missin someone like Symmo right now

  • getsetgopk on July 2, 2012, 3:25 GMT

    It was no fluke when they beat us Pakistan 4-0 in UAE, England are a very strong team both bowling and batting wise, the only team that could probably match them in world cricket is SA I dont see any one else over powering them especially in their own backyard. Well played England!!

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on July 2, 2012, 3:11 GMT

    Australia needs the services of Ponting and Michael Hussey.

  • tmd1 on July 2, 2012, 3:03 GMT

    I love multicultural cricket when England play, a South African born player bowls to an Australian born player and is dropped by an Irish born player.

  • jmcilhinney on July 2, 2012, 2:57 GMT

    Australia are a it of an enigma at the moment. I don't think that there's any doubt that they are capable of playing better than they are at the moment but, without the aura they used to carry, there's no certainty that we'll see better from them this series. Some people were predicting 5-0 to Australia despite the obvious weaknesses. That seemed silly even then but how silly does it seem now? They are obviously missing Mike Hussey in a big way. England have lost a big weapon too in KP though and Hussey won't be around for too much longer, so that's not really an excuse. They have lots more problems in that batting besides too. They will be a better side when they fix them but I'm still not sure that they will be good enough to dominate OD cricket. Their bowling was supposed to be their big weapon and that hasn't really fired in what are supposed to be relatively bowler-friendly conditions. Australia are still a good team but dominating is a thing of the past for them I think.

  • jmcilhinney on July 2, 2012, 2:50 GMT

    The England bowling was a little bit hit and miss today also. Too many loose deliveries and too many extras. Funny that, with four front-line quicks, it was Swann and Bopara who really broke Australia's back with that frugal section through the middle overs. Some will say that that was just Bailey's poor batting but Watson's strike rate dropped considerably through that section too. The fielding wasn't bad but there were a few significant blemishes. Dropping Watson could easily have been the mistake that lost them the match. I just don't know about Dernbach. It appears that England wanted a specialist power-play/death bowler and Dernbach was recruited as such. Maybe that's not the case and it's all just talk from the commentators. His variations appear a bit hit and miss though so he needs to bowl consistently well apart from that. That appears to be what he's trying to do, but he's not completely succeeding yet. he was let down by the fielders a little today though.

  • gpm86 on July 2, 2012, 2:45 GMT

    All those posting at about 8pm (your time) need to realise there is a time difference between aus and england you you were slanging off the aussie supporters for not commenting at what was 4-5am. Wake up to yourselves and get some common sense.

    That being said, I dunno how we select some of our players. Im so over Johnson its not funny. Definitely need to give our other options a go instead of him and re vamp our batting order.. Im not sure how we can to be honest. Unfortunately we have bbailey and forrest who are both similar in scoring rates (takes them 50 balls to get a roll on) and smith is utterly useless. Maybe we should just play 5 bowlers like you guys!who knows. wade should be coming in at top or at 5. Maybe wade at 3 will work... argh i just dont know.

    There are plenty ofplayers here at state level that can play different roles, but our lack of middle over accumulation shows how much we miss huss (M)

  • jmcilhinney on July 2, 2012, 2:42 GMT

    It's definitely nice to see to see England win, and especially against their greatest rival, but this was far from a consummate performance. I guess that that can be taken as encouraging that they can win consistently with obvious areas of improvement possible, but only if they can make those improvements when required. Cook maintained his recent good strike rate but that included a free hit boundary and he was out in one of his two favourite ways: LBW to a ball coming back in to him, with the other being nicking and angled ball early on. Bell played some classy shots but also had his share of luck. His strike was also not especially high. It didn't need to be here but would he have been able to accelerate if needed? Maybe, maybe not. Trott showed us haw alien to him trying to push the scoring rate really is. Bopara played a lovely innings but, after numerous disappointments, he'll have to show consistency to really impress. He also worryingly seems to like to get an early shower.

  • Gary_the_Pom on July 2, 2012, 2:34 GMT

    Dont worry everything will be ok. Glen Macgraph said they can still win 5-0.

  • jr1972 on July 2, 2012, 2:23 GMT

    He bowls to the left, he bowls to the right. Mitchell Johnson, get on the next flight.

  • Hammond on July 2, 2012, 2:11 GMT

    @RandyOZ- forget the Argus review. How about actually giving the English cricket team some respect? Maybe they are actually good at playing cricket? By the way the ACB should now be known as "Old Mother Hubbard"- the cupboard is well and truly bare. Roll on England, 2 down and only 3 to win against this bog average Aussie side. Should be a cake walk.

  • mikey76 on July 2, 2012, 2:06 GMT

    @englishcricket. Getting Morgan back at 6 for the tests v SA would be foolish. He just doesn't have the defensive technique for the likes of Steyn and Philander. Bopara should get first dibbs on the slot and if that doesn't work out then an experienced genuine county player like Taylor or Hildreth should be given a shot. Certainly Bopara's bowling makes it appealing. 15 overs from him a day would ease the load on the seamers.

  • MrKistic on July 2, 2012, 2:04 GMT

    @uscricket99 England are playing well for sure, bit as @RandyOZ points out, Australia are not picking their best team. Australia have two good bowlers on the bench while Johnson gets a run with only net bowling under his belt and a woeful record in England. Forrest doesn't have List A form and Bailey is only there because they made him T20 cap'n. A better team would at least give them a run for their money.

  • Orsoncarte on July 2, 2012, 1:29 GMT

    I'm led to believe that 11 Australian nationals were arrested in London last night and charged with impersonating a cricket team. The one real positive from their performance was that I won't be suffering sleep deprivation sitting up to watch the next 3 games. They are supposed to be professional sportsmen. Most professionals who do not provide the services for which they are being paid are sacked.

  • Sinhaya on July 2, 2012, 1:23 GMT

    England are a far superior side and this average Aussie batting lineup just cant handle the English bowling battery. Bell seems to be in the form of his life.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 2, 2012, 0:39 GMT

    George Dobell should stop dreaming about England. It's a good win , but i can say you this will not last long. You will see all that sudden down fall of England (needs) and all inspiration for Australia to win series. You doubt me...?? Then watch matches, it's coming......

  • Lakpj on July 2, 2012, 0:33 GMT

    this Eng team looks really good, it will be really interesting to see how the SA series comes out. but with the 2015 WC up for grabs, if Eng can work with these set of core players they can be really threatening in Aus/NZ. on the other hand this is fairly a young side, with swann being the only player above 32. Aus needs to find some answers pretty quickly. earlier this year fairly inexperienced SL side took them all the way during the 3-series in Aus, then WI should have beaten them in that ODI series and now this.

  • on July 2, 2012, 0:31 GMT

    Well Watson said that Bresnan at 7 was a weakness, guess we'll find out when they actually make him bat!

  • praveen4honestremark on July 2, 2012, 0:30 GMT

    Bresnon and Bopara are two big players for England in this series. Bresnon strikes when it really matters and helped England in the first ODI and this second ODI. And Bopara for scoring runs with so ease and taking wickets; with strike rate of above 100 and has bagged wickets, so a very useful all rounder. Morgan, many would say can also change game but i doubt it! He can't play spin and if there would have been faint edge in Clarke bowling he would have been OUT. Aussies should try spin and its all over for this England line up...I suggest Clarke to bowl his ten overs in 3rd ODI , i am sure he can bag 3 to 4 wickets. I dont know what Australian management is doing and thinking; but to win over England just bring spinners on, who can spin but not like Doherty. Doherty just give ball more pace than spin. A bowler who can give its more air, loop and turn as well as occasional arm balls should be taken. Clarke can do it a bit, but also a specialist spin bowler and swing bowler needed.

  • SDHM on July 1, 2012, 23:59 GMT

    @mikey76 - I don't think Woakes' lack of pace is necessarily the issue - it's hardly like Jimmy Anderson or Vernon Philander scream in at over 90mph and they're successful enough. I think it's more to do with the fact that, like we saw a bit in Australia, when the ball stops swinging he's far less effective and just the right pace to thump around. With two new white balls now though, you'd think it plays right into someone like Woakes' hands, and he's a genuine all-rounder with a fantastic temperament, able to spank the ball around the park in the closing overs. I'd prefer to see him in the side over Dernbach to be honest.

  • mikey76 on July 1, 2012, 23:58 GMT

    @englishcricket. Getting Morgan back at 6 for the tests v SA would be foolish. He just doesn't have the defensive technique for the likes of Steyn and Philander. Bopara should get first dibbs on the slot and if that doesn't work out then an experienced genuine county player like Taylor or Hildreth should be given a shot. Certainly Bopara's bowling makes it appealing. 15 overs from him a day would ease the load on the seamers.

  • uscricket99 on July 1, 2012, 23:20 GMT

    When will people stop putting England down. Australia are rank no 1 in world and England beat them soundly. Oh, but its because the Aussies are so bad.And of course, we cant ever acknowledge the fact that Ravi Bopara can both bat and bowl extremely well against good opposition. That wouldnt be done would it? Of course I am sure Bairstow of the great recent form would have done much better! Its time to acknowledge things when they go well, and they are. Congratulations to the team, the management, the whole England set up!

  • CricketingStargazer on July 1, 2012, 23:14 GMT

    Guess so landl, because his first 6 overs went for just 16. By my arithmetic that means that his last 4 went for 31 as Australia started to charge.

  • mikey76 on July 1, 2012, 22:40 GMT

    @cricketingstargazer. Yeah I think its high time Woakes got a game. This talk about him having a lack of pace is a bit erroneous. Dominic Cork had the same thing levelled at him but was a highly effective international bowler. Would like to see Meaker too though, his pace is apparently red hot at the moment. We have an abundance of quicks at the moment which makes Dernbach's inclusion all the more baffling.He wouldn't rate in my top 6 or 8 fast bowlers in county cricket at the moment.

  • CrickFan82 on July 1, 2012, 22:38 GMT

    Gentleman, Bell is a really class player. He has style, technique and temperament to perform at all forms of cricket. But if Bell, Trott, Cook, Strauss any of the top four hit centuries, the opposition still has a chance to win games. They did get tested in UAE and India. But if Pieterson hits a century, it demoralises the opponent, takes the game away from them. Bell has done good for himself and the team but the England team has just played West Indies and Aussies are playing well below their top game as of what i can see. When they really get tested, they will soon start criticising Bell, though the poor bloke isnt responsible for Pieterson's enigma!! At the moment, well done england.

  • on July 1, 2012, 22:35 GMT

    Fact is Australia is Rank 1 but they are probably No 6 in reality. WI should have beaten them 4-1 earlier this year. and WI are ranked 8.

  • on July 1, 2012, 22:30 GMT

    YES. Its working. After this FIVE NIL drubbing of Aus, Eng wil NO 1 in ALL formats of the game. Thanks for coming Australia.

  • subbass on July 1, 2012, 22:06 GMT

    What an atmosphere it will be at Old Trafford if we are 4-0 up. The crowd will be right behind the team as there will be no sweeter feeling than been top of the table in every format. The Indian team England haters will be seething if this happens.

    cricinfo plz publish - thanks

  • igorolman on July 1, 2012, 22:04 GMT

    Nice to win again, but frankly, nobody will remember this series in a month's time. Just hope we don't break Anderson and Broad before the Saffer tests! That's the big one!

  • EnglishCricket on July 1, 2012, 22:00 GMT

    England are clearly the best Cricket team in the World!, they may lose games here and there but the important thing is that they are very consistent. Though I want England to win this 5-0 its a tough ask and looks very unlikely mainly because its against the Aussies and the bad weather we have but hope I'm wrong. Just before I finish, I think yes Morgan or Ravi should be considered for that Number 6 slot against South Africa in the coming Test Series for now and that's with no disrespect or anything to Jonny Bairstow he's still very young and will struggle against this mighty South Africa bowling line-up but anyway congratulations on another convincing win.

  • RandyOZ on July 1, 2012, 21:56 GMT

    Well that was just downright embarassing. No excuses really. The Argus review results are again being completely ignored. Johnson, Smith, Bailey, Forrest are simply not international standard and the way they are continually picked without far better players available reeks of favouritism. Langer continues to be void of all responsibility despite the batting being sub-standard for his entire tenure. No improvement has been seen whatsoever.

  • Juiceoftheapple on July 1, 2012, 21:52 GMT

    How is Bopara an accumulator? he is an exceptionally good T20 player, I think Buttler or Bairstow will give him a run for his money thou, but well played today, superb, and as for not apparently having the right 'atitude' I dont think it matters (remember KP). Dernbach is an awesome T20 bowler, but not quite sure 10 overs at international is him, Woakes looks very good, and I prefer Meaker. Then theres Onions & Tremmers (one day please god!). Some people made a great point about the toss at Lords and this match confirms it. Hats off to the whole England side, really really impressive, & Flower. Whoever said we've never had a fast scoring opener needs to look up a certain Mr Trescothick. Regarding our 4,5 and 6, I think this is our big task for the World Cup. 2 slots including 1 wickie from Bairstow, Bopara, Buttler, Kieswetter, Taylor, Patel. I would once have said KP and Bairstow, but considering our problems against spin, Bopara and Buttler?

  • Lmaotsetung on July 1, 2012, 21:45 GMT

    What's going on with Broad btw? He used to bowl faster than Jimmy and Bresnan sometimes touching 90mph with the white ball but now he's barely getting it over 80mph often hitting 79mph. I know he said something about losing a yard or 2 when bowling a fuller length but shouldn't be that much of a dip in speed.

  • landl47 on July 1, 2012, 21:42 GMT

    @CricketingStargazer: you and I must have been watching different games at Lord's. Swann had to bowl the 48th over because Anderson wasn't fit to do it. He gave away 6 runs, 4 of which were a lucky heave by Lee which went nowhere near where he aimed it. Swann finished with 10 overs for 47, so his figures were hardly ruined. I thought that was a great effort, since Aus were in with a chance if he'd gone for, say, 19 as Watson did in England's innings. I wouldn't want to use him at the death all the time, but he would, in my opinion, have been better than Dernbach.

  • CricketingStargazer on July 1, 2012, 21:42 GMT

    @anuradha_d, India have the IPL, but they are not very good at the T20 format. Even after last winter's 5-0 pasting, England won the T20 very comfortably. Could it be, as it was for so long in ODIs after the 1983 World Cup, that going over the top is damaging the team's success? The IPL does not seem to be breeding a successful national side. It is analogous to the English Premier League in football: having a spectacular domestic tournament does not imply that the national team will be successful. England do not even play domestic 50-over cricket, but seem to be finding the recipe for success over 50 overs and have a low key T20 tournament, but seem to do OK in that format too.

  • NaniIndCri on July 1, 2012, 21:32 GMT

    Aus have their batting order completely wrong. Wade is not a slogger, he should not be at No.7, Forrest and Bailey take their time so both should not be in same team. Pick one and he should be at 4/5. Wade and Warner should open they will complement each other. Watson at 3 will make sure the scoring does not slowdown in case of a wicket. If sudden wickets fall at top then Forrest/Bailey and Clarke at 4 and 5 can steady the ship. At 6 and 7 they should have power hitters DHussey is not a great option but there is no one else and at least he can slog, so they should find another player who can score freely. In Bowling, they should look forward not backward. And Johnson is not a forward option. If Johnson did not have proper practice he should not have played. They have many reserve bowlers so they should try one. Finally If there is an award for "Producing the most ineffective spinners" then Aus will definitely get it for umpteen times. Forget spin and go with a seam bowler.

  • on July 1, 2012, 21:30 GMT

    Congrats to Bell, certainly a class player and if you need a clinic on stroke playing, just watch Mr. Bell. The other important note of England's luck, they have been very lucky. They got to play the West Indies "B" team and every thing seem to go their way, including the umpiring and the weather in the Test and One day series against the West Indies, but that is cricket. Even the WI limited and inexperienced team managed to cause Australia some trouble. However the best is yet to come...

  • Mayan820 on July 1, 2012, 21:09 GMT

    As a Protea supporter I am quite pleased with how this ODI series is progressing . . . The series score I would most like to see is Eng. 4 Aus. 1 This will just about set Eng. and South Africa on a par in Tests as well as ODI's, which will really liven the contest between these two sides up even more. Now that all 11 players of Australia have to perform to pull off international wins instead of them winning everything in sight because of the excellent performances of 3 or perhaps 4 players in their teams, other cricket playing nations will begin to see them as the nothing more than average team they really are instead of holding them in awe long before they even arrive at the cricket pitch. This is exactly what has happened in South African cricket for a good decade and a half in the recent past. Just as their great players are all retired now, so their mental hold over other teams has already disintegrated to nothing. Its only their die hard fans that cannot see it yet . .

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on July 1, 2012, 21:05 GMT

    Best in the world at One-Day cricket will do very nicely, thanks. !

  • anuradha_d on July 1, 2012, 21:01 GMT

    "England prosper in the dying format of the game".......bilateral meaningless, masala, ODIs, at home....who cares......

    whhat will matter in cricket is....test matches, IPL and 50 over world cup

  • Stark62 on July 1, 2012, 20:55 GMT

    Who would have thought, that Eng would have the chance to complete a 5-0 drubbing against their arch nemesis, Eng!!

    I know it hasn't happened yet but the Aussies look worse than the Windies and they don't have a match winner in the side like a Gayle or Afridi to turn the tables.

    Also, Warne might as well come out of retirement because Doherty looks like a lost soul out there and Aus don't have any spinners better than him.

  • landl47 on July 1, 2012, 20:51 GMT

    I didn't think England played very well today. The bowlers gave away 25 extras, Broad is trying to deliver from closer to the wicket and hasn't got his line right yet, Bresnan was expensive and Dernbach just isn't accurate enough for international cricket. Watson was dropped early and even Cook got the overs wrong and wound up bowling out Dernbach while leaving Finn and Swann, the best bowlers, with overs in hand. Bell was dropped by Warner and Morgan was lucky with his DRS decision (even if Aleem Dar got it right). England can play a lot better than this. Oh, and they still won by 6 wickets with 4.2 overs in hand.

  • Joninnorwich on July 1, 2012, 20:34 GMT

    An almost embarrassing gulf in class from 1 to 11 between England and Australia. A bit like Spain and Italy in the Euros. Not even half time in the contest and you no there's no way back for Italy or Australia!

  • Nathan30 on July 1, 2012, 20:24 GMT

    Ok so I'm Australian and I must admitt i'm embarrassed. What are the selectors thinking?? Honestly we are being totally out classed by a good England side but why we have to field a second rate c team I don't understand.

  • SirViv1973 on July 1, 2012, 20:24 GMT

    @JG2704, Ever since Jayasuira burst on the scene as a pinch hitter in the mid 90s Eng have been searching for something similar. Someone who can open the batting, score quickly during the opening powerplay and get the team off to a flyer. In all the years since, Eng have never found such a Batsman so finally they have decided to ignore what works for other teams and play to their strengths. By playing 4 accumulaters at the top and no real power players they have worked out they are more capable of keeping wickets in hand for the last 10 overs or so when it is now quite feasible to add 90 - 100 to your total provided you have 1 or 2 players who can finish an inns. Personally I think this move has been a longtime coming and I think we will now see a bit more consistency with the 50 over team.

  • richardror on July 1, 2012, 20:21 GMT

    RandyOZ I see you have gone very silent! 2 games already won and 3 more will be won comfortably to knock Australia off their very undeserved top spot so England will be top in all 3 formats where they belong!!!

  • hhillbumper on July 1, 2012, 20:20 GMT

    Malcolm Conn was in Wisden saying how Aus were the great team of the new era.While it is only one day cricket I would point out we are inherently crap at it so what happens when w elay test cricket against them?

  • CricketingStargazer on July 1, 2012, 20:06 GMT

    JG, Swann was used at the death at Lords and was milked. It was one of the reasons why the final result looked far closer than it was. It also ruined some exceptional figures for Swann!

  • CricketingStargazer on July 1, 2012, 20:03 GMT

    RandyOz has gone rather quiet since March. Can't blame him really. The first step on the way back for Australia is to acknowledge that they are not as good as they think they are. The second step is to go about fixing it, finding the players to take them forward. Over the last 3 years though we have seen the same players failing, being dropped and coming back to play against us time and again. No real clarity of selection. Too many injuries to the bowlers (when they were at the top, how often did they get injured? It looks like bad management of their resources) and some very ordinary bowlers like Doherty are fixtures in the side. We've heard about the England weakness against spin, but Australia seem particularly weak in this department and can't decide who their best spinner is anyway.

  • SirViv1973 on July 1, 2012, 20:03 GMT

    The second pasting in 3 days for the ozzies. As far as this series is concerned Eng look the better team in every department and unless there is a drastic improvement from Aus or we have a wash out then I can see this being 5 nil. No sign of Randy, Jonsey or Marcio when their team is getting spanked!

  • jmcilhinney on July 1, 2012, 20:01 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding on (July 01 2012, 19:31 PM GMT), quite so. Morgan looked quite positive that he'd hit it. That makes Bell's failure to review the other day all the more mystifying, as Morgan's edge here looked to be thinner than Bell's then. By the way, did anyone else hear a noise when Derbach put one past Warner in the second over? There was no appeal and they never did show a HotSpot but even on replay I could hear a faint noise and his bat was nowhere near anything but the ball, so I wonder whether Warner got away with one there. Maybe, maybe not. It's all academic now as it wasn't needed anyway.

  • jmcilhinney on July 1, 2012, 19:56 GMT

    Clarke said before this game that he wanted to pick the best XI in an effort to win each game rather than just using them as practice in English conditions, so he and Arthur obviously considered Johnson to be the best option available to them. He is still rated fairly highly as an ODI bowler but, while his line was relatively good today, he again showed how inconsistent he can be. If he continues to play, I think that it's only a matter of time before his ODI ranking slips. It probably would have already if he had been fit to play and been putting in poor performances. Pattinson hasn't impressed in ODIs so far so maybe we'll see Hilfenhaus or Harris in the next game. If Hilfy can get some swing going then he could be a handful. That still doesn't help the batting though. They need improvement all round and at least one of Forrest and Bailey to step up.

  • JG2704 on July 1, 2012, 19:47 GMT

    Well , a fairly comfortable win in the end but there are certainly still improvements which need to be made. I watched the game up until the 40 over mark of the Oz inns and then went for a cycle , taking my radio with me. Up til then I thought Bresnan was particularly poor with his line and Broad was not great either and was lucky to get his 1st wkt thank to CK's athleticism. Finn bowled well again and I thought Jade bowled with little luck. Ravi was an inspired bowling change and he and Swann (once again) stopped Aus from getting away. What I do wonder though is why Swann did not bowl his full quota and I wonder if on such a day Cook might actually be brave enough to use him at the death ,on these sort of days when batsmen are struggling with him. I know Jade was unlucky but I'd say Swann may have been a better bet. Well done to our batsmen for making the target look easy. And at least we're not getting hammered in this series now

  • YorkshirePudding on July 1, 2012, 19:47 GMT

    2-0 up with 3 to go, and still waiting for the Australia we all know are competative to turn up. I thought the Oval would suit the Aussie bowlers, but it didnt, the difference was that the batsmen were about 30-40 ruins short of a competative total, and that in part was due to some very low strike rates from the batsmen.

  • voma on July 1, 2012, 19:45 GMT

    The biggest threat to Englands batsmen today was Micheal clarkes off spin and the weather ! . That is the worst Australian cricket team i have ever seen , i never thought i would see Ravi Bopara totally dominate a match against Australia . Brett Lee should be in the comentators box , and Mitchel Johnstone should never play cricket again . What is the purpose of xavier doherty ? . Honestly at least Swanny can spin the ball . I feel sorry for the Aussie fans , they deserve better than that .

  • JG2704 on July 1, 2012, 19:45 GMT

    @R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (July 01 2012, 16:44 PM GMT) Hello mate , I'm still not convinced by having 4 accumulators at the top , but it seems to be working ok right now. It's weird that alot of the English batsmen from yesteryear who had reputations in OD cricket didn't have great strikerates. I think the game's just moved on. Back along I was looking through some of my old Wisdens and there was a Sunday 40 over league and many of the scores were between 160 and 190. These days that would be unthinkable. The other thing is that often when the side batting second would fall short , they would have loads of wickets in hand. It's as though they had no knowledge of where they were at in the game

  • pom_don on July 1, 2012, 19:44 GMT

    Well at least Jimmy can get his feet up for a while & if we get any more niggles with the bowlers they can always call up Katherine Brunt.....she should do well against this Australian side.

  • YorkshirePudding on July 1, 2012, 19:31 GMT

    @jmcilhinney, in regards to the lbw referal of morgan, a good sign for the review was that morgan referred it straight away, thus indicating he knew he'd edged it....@pomshaveshortmemories, 3 from 11 is not a lot of 'South African' players, besides I think you forget that Dernbach moved his focus from Rugby to Cricket when he came to the UK @ 14 years old, and has never represented any country other than England.

  • CricketingStargazer on July 1, 2012, 19:29 GMT

    @mikey76, personally I would pick Woakes ahead of Dernbach if fit and in form. Onions might also be worth a thought as like-for-like. My impression is that Dernbach will have match-winning days in England, but will not be very effective abroad.

  • The_bowlers_Holding on July 1, 2012, 19:29 GMT

    The weather forecast for the next game is poor so it won't be 5-0, I think Clarke would bowl more if his back was up to it, McKay looks good,why play Johnson I thought this was to give the young uns experience. And Praveen maybe the other Indian batsmen should have asked Dravid how to bat this time last year, I realise England only won because the 32 year old Khan was injured : )

  • pom_don on July 1, 2012, 19:28 GMT

    Well there you go RandyOZ the overrated Bell got another fifty, the overrated Finn bowled superbly, the overrated Swann bowled your team to a standstill & your highly acclaimed Warner batted like a total novice & as for Johnson........need I say more, roll on the next fun at Edgbaston.

  • jmcilhinney on July 1, 2012, 19:24 GMT

    I reckon RandyOZ is quite right that Australia would be doing much better if Hughes and Khawaja were in the team... that is, as long as they didn't have to drop anyone to include them. With 13 men they could just about make a game of it.

  • whatawicket on July 1, 2012, 19:20 GMT

    steve smith a great player golly gosh John does he set the standard for greatness in this aussie team. he don't bowl in the ipl, if a spinner does not bowl in india you will not bowl anywhere. good fielder pity about the rest.

  • sheila_4 on July 1, 2012, 19:10 GMT

    Brilliant! Well done England!! This is just too easy - England could have put another 50 on the board if they had to! There is the sort of depth and talent in this England team that the Australians could only dream of. To say there is a chasm between the two sides is an understatement. A 5-0 victory is not unlikely. It's only a matter of time before the inevitable happens and England become the no1 team in the world in all formats. And rightly so.

  • JG2704 on July 1, 2012, 19:05 GMT

    @John Ide on (July 01 2012, 11:20 AM GMT) You are indeed a genius. Both your selections came up trumps today - so very well done there.

  • hhillbumper on July 1, 2012, 19:03 GMT

    Has anyone seen Randy or Jonesey. They normally love contributing to an England thread but seem strangely quiet. Aus have already lost 1 bowler and today one went missing in Action.I missed Mitchell Johnson there is nothing quite like the sound of an Aussie summer than the sound of an umpire shouting wide or no ball.

  • JG2704 on July 1, 2012, 19:01 GMT

    @pomshaveshortmemories on (July 01 2012, 10:32 AM GMT) Funny you say that when our SA born players (I make it there were 3 - one of who would not have played had it not been for Anderson being injured) made little impact on the game. But thanks for the congratulations - you really didn't need to

  • baz72notout on July 1, 2012, 18:58 GMT

    Dernbach did not delight in this game. Although the selectors will feel honour-bound to include him in the next game (assuming Anderson needs resting further), it would be nice to see a length and line bowler like Onions being given a shot. If he's needed against South Africa against whom he has a strong record then now's the time to get Onions playing alongside his test teammates.

  • on July 1, 2012, 18:56 GMT

    Ian Ronald Bell & specially Ravinder Singh Bopara plays very well, their 90 runs stand confirms English victory tonight.

  • bumsonseats on July 1, 2012, 18:44 GMT

    gods randyoz/jonesy will go into melt down

  • Aspraso on July 1, 2012, 18:28 GMT

    Well now as the score stands 2-0 in England's favour, I reckon Watson knows now about the England's middle order, Warner knows about not being lazy while taking catches and Clarke knows about the all around capabilities of Johnson.

  • 2.14istherunrate on July 1, 2012, 18:24 GMT

    That's a good heartwarmer.What odds on winning again at Edgbaston? This time Aus had only one bowler to trust, McKay. Obviously the 5 bowler tactic is working so even if one is not doing too well there's then a parttimer to do a job.

  • jmcilhinney on July 1, 2012, 18:17 GMT

    As in the last game, England didn't put in a 100% performance and yet still won relatively easily. That's not to say that Australia played as well as they're capable of either mind you. Australia really need to lift their game because I don't see England playing any worse than this. If Australia do lift for the remaining games, hopefully England can push themselves a bit further too. They look quite capable of it. Their bowling was a bit wayward at times and there were some blemishes in the field, plus the fact that Ian Bell fairly cruised for most of his innings. If that innings had been England batting first then I'd say that they would have been scoring over 300.

  • on July 1, 2012, 18:17 GMT

    an again Johnson cant bowl

  • Damo_s on July 1, 2012, 18:15 GMT

    Hmm. Apart from McKay the Oz bowlers are looking pretty poor. That said, they didnt really have a great total to defend thanks to the quality of our (England) bowling. 5-0 would be awesome but I suspect Warner and Watto will fire at least once and post up a good total (I wonder what RandyOz's opinion is on the Oz batsmen going into their shells facing Swanny's half trackers and dollys lol )

  • mikey76 on July 1, 2012, 18:08 GMT

    All too easy in the end. Great to see the much maligned Bopara have such a good game with bat and ball. Just need to ditch Dernbach who I dont rate one bit and we have a pretty decent side. Aussies must be desperate recalling Johnson. Cook and Bell must have loved that...four balls on offer at least twice an over. If England maintain this intensity then 5-0 doesn't look too far fetched.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 1, 2012, 18:01 GMT

    2-0. Bopara MOTM. Great game; well done England!

  • CricketingStargazer on July 1, 2012, 17:55 GMT

    It really does look like the Australian batsmen are simply incapable of setting the sort of target that their very limited bowling attack has a chance of defending. We are seeing exactly the sort of match that we got uised to in England's bad years, only inverted. Kudos to Ian Bell for another fine innings and (JG please take note) didn't I say that Ravi Bopara was well worth his place and in good form? A run a ball and a big score.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 1, 2012, 17:38 GMT

    The major problem for Australia in this series is, " How to score efficiently against swing bowling( for Aus batsman) and how to bowl swing bowling". I suggest Australia team to take some suggestions from Zaheer khan, or Wasim Akram on how to bowl swing bowling. And how to play, just see Dravid playing England videos in Test matches recently. You will understand the way to play.

  • jmcilhinney on July 1, 2012, 17:30 GMT

    I'm going to get in early because I'm sure there will be plenty of people with something to say about Eoin Morgan's reprieve. I can't believe that there is any discussion at all to be frank. There is a clear mark on HotSpot exactly where and when the ball goes past it so what possible conclusion is there to draw but that the ball hit the bat? What people seem to forget, or else not understand from the get-go, is that all HotSpot does is detect heat. When the ball hits the bat there is friction and therefore heat. This was obviously a very thin edge so there was very little friction and therefore very little heat. The spot was quite bright immediately after the ball passed and then quickly faded as the small amount of heat that was generated dissipated. Only people who haven't done primary school science could be excused for thinking that that was out.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 1, 2012, 17:23 GMT

    In the similar words of somebody else that often posts here: I think Clarke's bowling is going to end the careers of Doherty and Johnson... he always out-bowls them both!

  • MartinC on July 1, 2012, 17:02 GMT

    Writing at 30 overs this is looking like a cake walk for England, its like we are batting on a different pitch to the Aussies. Australia were probably 40 short at least of a challenging total.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 1, 2012, 16:44 GMT

    @JG2704 (Post on June 30 2012, 17:46 PM GMT on Preview feed): Yeah I know what you're saying. It is important to take into consideration the 'age and situation' of the innings. But I grew up watching guys like Graham Thorpe, Alec Stewart... These guys were hardly legendary in ODI's by today's standards - avergages of 37 and 31 respectively - but there was something aesthetically pleasing about them if they were brought in at the right time. Those 30 - 40 runs they almost always scored in all their games often turned out to be crucial! I just feel '4, 6 or out' batsmen alone are not enough to win ODI's... T20's you can maybe get away with it more. Trott and Clarke now have very similar strike rates!

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 1, 2012, 16:39 GMT

    Why do I get the feeling Morgan and/or Kieswetter will have an important role again soon? 136-2 with 25 overs to go...

  • subbass on July 1, 2012, 16:04 GMT

    Yeah the England bowling attack is full of urrm...English born players. The S African born players all have UK parentage and played all all their pro cricket on these shores. Anyway we look to be cruising to another win, so 5-0 here we come !

    Plz publish..

  • on July 1, 2012, 14:39 GMT

    aus did well to get to 250.. they looked in big problems halfway. Bailey did well for them steadying the ship. could've been all out for under 200 but theyve got the runs on the board now. bet cookie Cant wait to face Johnson

  • kunderanengineer on July 1, 2012, 14:33 GMT

    2-0 England. Should make 252 in their sleep. Hope I'm wrong though.

  • pat_one_back on July 1, 2012, 14:13 GMT

    Credit to Bailey that he stuck it out but what is the strategy in this selection? Our T20 captain can't turn strike in soft ODI middle overs?? What a waste of Wades talent buried down at 7... Batting low as a 'finisher', let the bowlers swing in the last 5, the great Gilly did some very successful finishing in the first 15.

  • RednWhiteArmy on July 1, 2012, 14:11 GMT

    Pomshaveshortmemories, Correct me if im wrong but you have a Welsh prime minister (hahaha) so you can probably go ahead and give up on the whole "holier than thou" rubbish.

  • jmcilhinney on July 1, 2012, 14:05 GMT

    A lot of people are going to blame George Bailey for Australia not getting a bigger score and for Watson's dismissal. He does have to shoulder some of the blame but, to be fair, Watson himself was struggling to score during the same period. He was striking at over a run a ball at one stage but ended up with a strike rate of 82.5. If Watson's dismissal was a result of a shot played in frustration then it was frustration at his own inability to score as much as at Bailey's. England were bowling really well at that point. That said, when watching him here it is hard to believe that Bailey is considered primarily a T20 player. He looked more like a long-form batsman struggling to come to terms with the faster pace of the limited-overs game. Maybe he prefers the "slog everything" approach of T20 to 50-over cricket where you need to play aggressively but still build an innings. I'm not sure that Hughes and Khawaja are the answer for Australia but Forrest and Bailey don't appear to be.

  • pom_don on July 1, 2012, 14:03 GMT

    As an England supporter I really am a fan of the Wade ramp shot!

  • azzaman333 on July 1, 2012, 14:01 GMT

    Bailey's half-century was exactly what we needed. Would've been nice if he could've rotated the strike a bit more, but it's not as if Warner, Forrest or Clarke were setting the world on fire before they got out.

  • praveen4honestremark on July 1, 2012, 14:01 GMT

    Who are calling for Bailey's head are totally wrong.This is reason..See the scores and averages of all the Australian Batsman now. DA Warner c Bell b Finn 10 20 2 0 50.00 PJ Forrest c †Kieswetter b Broad 12 30 0 0 40.00 MJ Clarke* c †Kieswetter b Bopara 10 21 1 0 47.61 GJ Bailey b Bresnan 65 86 7 0 75.58 Can you people who are blaming Bailey see the averages of others. I donno whether the pitch was tough or bowling was too good; but it just looks only after you settle you can score big. Watson was only one exception as he faced new ball and thus for him strike rate is good than others and also he played after getting settled. So settling on wicket is CRUCIAL here on this OVAL pitch. Every one starting from Warner, to Clarke tried shots when they had averages of below 50 and also got out. Bailey came after 3 wickets were down. May be he should have rotated strike, but hard to say this and comment sitting in front of TV"S. Bailey has done a great work

  • Abhi_2410 on July 1, 2012, 13:54 GMT

    I guess it is gonna be easy win for the England again as Australia doesn't look in the best of their forms. !!! Still can hope we will get full quota of 50 overs for England team to bat on. no more rains. !!

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 1, 2012, 13:18 GMT

    GP Swann just needs 4 more wickets for 100 ODI wickets. As I write this, he's only got two more overs left to bowl, so somehow doubt he'll get there this match!

  • simon_w on July 1, 2012, 12:58 GMT

    @pomshaveshortmemories -- hehe, you can always tell England must be rattling their opponents when they start to complain about the fact that there are 3 (three) South African born players in the side.

  • The_bowlers_Holding on July 1, 2012, 12:58 GMT

    You have to think Watto was out because of Bailey's sloth like batting, if Wade is so good as most pundits report he is why is he coming in for a cameo role? Saying that it is the 38th over as I post and Wade, Wayward Johnson and Lee might belt it around a bit.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 1, 2012, 12:54 GMT

    I really don't think this is what Clarke meant when he said he wanted to "measure Australia progress" for the Ashes... Somebody needs to tell the Aussies this is an ODI, not a test match!

  • Hammond on July 1, 2012, 12:38 GMT

    @pomshaveshortmemories- so you obviously weren't a fan of Symonds or Khawaja then?

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 1, 2012, 12:17 GMT

    I'm guessing Watson's not going to be able to bowl his full 10 overs then!?

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 1, 2012, 12:11 GMT

    Why is Xavier Doherty there instead of Lyon/Hauritz? Are they injured? Missing? Visa problems? Striking?

  • on July 1, 2012, 11:20 GMT

    Damn I am a genius. In another CricInfo Blog, I suggested Forrest and Mitch J in for Smith and one other. Mitch J may bowl all over the shop sometimes, but he also has the potential to run through the England/Saffer team like a bad curry. Forrest has huge potential, I would rate him as a slightly more activated Trott.

    If they need to bring in another bowler, I would be looking at bring in Ben Cummings. He was terrific in the last Sheffield shield comp. He is not express but swings well and could be sensational in England.

    Stephen Smith is a great player, but he really must progress with his leg spin bowling. If he doesn't, he will just be a good shield batsman and a magnificent fielder.

  • VivGilchrist on July 1, 2012, 11:20 GMT

    Forrest 12 off 30 balls, whileWatto is scoring at over a run-a-ball. Why do the selectors rate him as an ODI batsman? and why as a no3? There are better ODI bats in Aus but he still gets selected. Bad tactical nous.

  • kevinpp24 on July 1, 2012, 10:48 GMT

    Hope it doesn't rain else our Turtles at the top order will be under pressure and out of their comfort zone only Morgan and a bit of Bell and Craig. I've seen trott, in WC against WI, getting 26 off his first 9 deliveries with 6 fours so he can definitely hit boundaries maybe the team need him to do what he's doing, I guess.

  • poms_have_short_memories on July 1, 2012, 10:32 GMT

    Is Australia playing England or Sth Africa?? Its hard to tell with so many Sth African born players playing for England these days, England would actually be fairly ordinary if they selected English born players only >:-D

  • Meety on July 1, 2012, 10:10 GMT

    Good replacement to bring in for Cummins. I think Oz erred by not having a left arm pacer in the first ODI. Doherty needs to lift his game, he did not look at all threatening on Friday.

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  • Meety on July 1, 2012, 10:10 GMT

    Good replacement to bring in for Cummins. I think Oz erred by not having a left arm pacer in the first ODI. Doherty needs to lift his game, he did not look at all threatening on Friday.

  • poms_have_short_memories on July 1, 2012, 10:32 GMT

    Is Australia playing England or Sth Africa?? Its hard to tell with so many Sth African born players playing for England these days, England would actually be fairly ordinary if they selected English born players only >:-D

  • kevinpp24 on July 1, 2012, 10:48 GMT

    Hope it doesn't rain else our Turtles at the top order will be under pressure and out of their comfort zone only Morgan and a bit of Bell and Craig. I've seen trott, in WC against WI, getting 26 off his first 9 deliveries with 6 fours so he can definitely hit boundaries maybe the team need him to do what he's doing, I guess.

  • VivGilchrist on July 1, 2012, 11:20 GMT

    Forrest 12 off 30 balls, whileWatto is scoring at over a run-a-ball. Why do the selectors rate him as an ODI batsman? and why as a no3? There are better ODI bats in Aus but he still gets selected. Bad tactical nous.

  • on July 1, 2012, 11:20 GMT

    Damn I am a genius. In another CricInfo Blog, I suggested Forrest and Mitch J in for Smith and one other. Mitch J may bowl all over the shop sometimes, but he also has the potential to run through the England/Saffer team like a bad curry. Forrest has huge potential, I would rate him as a slightly more activated Trott.

    If they need to bring in another bowler, I would be looking at bring in Ben Cummings. He was terrific in the last Sheffield shield comp. He is not express but swings well and could be sensational in England.

    Stephen Smith is a great player, but he really must progress with his leg spin bowling. If he doesn't, he will just be a good shield batsman and a magnificent fielder.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 1, 2012, 12:11 GMT

    Why is Xavier Doherty there instead of Lyon/Hauritz? Are they injured? Missing? Visa problems? Striking?

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 1, 2012, 12:17 GMT

    I'm guessing Watson's not going to be able to bowl his full 10 overs then!?

  • Hammond on July 1, 2012, 12:38 GMT

    @pomshaveshortmemories- so you obviously weren't a fan of Symonds or Khawaja then?

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on July 1, 2012, 12:54 GMT

    I really don't think this is what Clarke meant when he said he wanted to "measure Australia progress" for the Ashes... Somebody needs to tell the Aussies this is an ODI, not a test match!

  • The_bowlers_Holding on July 1, 2012, 12:58 GMT

    You have to think Watto was out because of Bailey's sloth like batting, if Wade is so good as most pundits report he is why is he coming in for a cameo role? Saying that it is the 38th over as I post and Wade, Wayward Johnson and Lee might belt it around a bit.