England v India, 4th npower Test, The Oval, 3rd day August 20, 2011

Sreesanth's steely stare, Raina's unwanted record

ESPNcricinfo's Plays of the Day from the third day of the fourth Test between England and India at The Oval
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Cameo of the day
Virender Sehwag's tour is heading from bad to worse - and that's quite a feat seeing as he already has a king pair to his name. On the first morning of the match his participation had been the subject of intense speculation, but right at this moment, it's hard to believe India could be any worse off without him. At Edgbaston he gifted his second-innings wicket with a loose drive to James Anderson, so Sehwag started his third attempt in a more circumspect fashion - at least by his standards. Two consecutive leaves outside off were enough to gauge the pace of the wicket, and he followed up with back-to-back boundaries through point, as his series runs tally (eight) briefly exceeded his balls faced (six). But one more dot was as much as he could negotiate. Anderson's final ball was fuller and straighter, and a crease-bound Sehwag was nailed plumb in front.

Hit of the day
At the end of the fourth over, Sachin Tendulkar arrived at the crease to a familiar cocktail of calamity and acclaim. The ground rose as one to salute a man still questing for that elusive 100th hundred, but at the seventh time of asking, the effect was not quite as electric as it most certainly had been at Lord's. It was another groggy start from the great man as well, as Stuart Broad restricted him to a maiden first-up, before clanging him on the helmet with his fourth delivery of the second over. It was quite a strike as well, as Tendulkar bent forward and met the ball on the rise, but he quickly confirmed there was no lasting damage. A grin and a pause later, and Tendulkar eased his next delivery, from Broad, through long-on for his first boundary of the day.

Fail of the day
At Edgbaston it had been Ravi Bopara who suffered the consequences of pad rash, as he came to the crease at 596 for 4, and added just 7 to the equation. Today it was the turn of Eoin Morgan, who turned down the chance to enter the fray on Friday night, and instead had to wait until 480 for 4, when the nightwatchman Anderson had snicked Sreesanth to slip. Almost as soon as he appeared in the middle, the ECB confirmed via press release that he would be captaining England in an ODI against Ireland next week, but the excitement did little for his judgment outside off, as he snicked his tenth ball, from Sreesanth, and trudged off for 1.

Stare of the day
After his first four deliveries to Anderson, Sreesanth followed up with a mouthful. Anderson remained unruffled, clipping a fine on-drive for four. But Sreesanth, who had otherwise been moving the ball nicely away from the batsmen, finally got Anderson to play a full, outswinging delivery, which VVS Laxman snaffled at second slip. Anderson, teasingly, stood his ground for a fraction of a second, and for a moment Sreesanth thought of charging at his victim, but thankfully resisted the urge. Instead, he just stood there in the middle of the pitch, hands folded, fixing a prolonged steely stare at the outgoing Anderson.

Over of the day
It was Tim Bresnan's third. The batsman was Tendulkar. And for each of his six deliveries, the crowd was on edge. First up was a slightly fuller delivery on off stump, which Tendulkar played on the up, a risky airy drive, which zipped past Bresnan before his left hand could respond to intercept it. He pushed the second delivery safely into the off side, then misjudged the bounce and was hit on the body by the third. The fourth brought a loud bellow for lbw but the ball was sliding down, while the fifth shaped away and beat Tendulkar's outside edge. But after all that, Tendulkar briefly released the tension of his innings, as he thwacked a solid square cut for four as Bresnan pitched it wide of off.

Duck of the day
Suresh Raina has flushed his Test reputation down the pan in this series. A feisty 78 in the second innings at Lord's has been offset by 27 runs in his other six innings. His susceptibility to the short ball was exposed at Trent Bridge, but today it was the spin of Graeme Swann that tied him in knots, as he equalled Irfan Pathan's record for the longest duck in India's Test history. It was strung out for 29 deliveries, all but seven of which were delivered by Swann with a forest of close catchers at hand. Eventually he was beaten by a ripper past the edge, and Matt Prior whipped off the bails with Raina's back foot flapping for the crease. The decision from Steve Davis was tight but fair. And one of the most painful passages of a grim Indian summer had been concluded.

Andrew Miller is UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • on August 21, 2011, 8:02 GMT

    Oh, the travails of the Indian supporters; blame the Indian team, and English fans say " Why don't you praise the English players?". Praise the Englishmen, only to face a barrage of comments from other sub-continental fans who all subscibe to the ABI school ( Anyone but India) deriding us for lauding the English and pointing out that their respective teams have fared much better. Guess it's best to keep quiet and hope for a distant dawn. By the way, the Sri Lankans are not doing all that well in the home ODI series against Australia, are they ?

  • CricketingStargazer on August 21, 2011, 7:51 GMT

    Dolce, interesting point. Pity that cicket is played in reality and not in fantasy, because England actually won the last ODI series between the two sides in England,at a time when the ODI side was significantly weaker than it is today.

  • WhiteRaven on August 21, 2011, 7:22 GMT

    @cricsteveway: can tell you one thing, see when did raina came to bat? after fall of lax and sachin, so pressure was there on him, he's young and still learning. the most experienced in the world and used to call God of cricket is getting out like a school boy, why are you blaming raina? have you ever seen an Indian batsmen/bowler giving tips during batting/boweling? as a team they are failed. i'd say this guys should retire, so we can groom sharmas/pujaras/badris/rainas/kohlis and more.

  • on August 21, 2011, 6:56 GMT

    someone truely said...... the series has become.... ENGLAND VS DRAVID :)

  • cricsteveway on August 21, 2011, 5:55 GMT

    Raina unfit to play test matches or even ODIs. Raina good enough only for IPL. Raina has support of Dhoni a lot. Kohli has better technique and mindset than Raina. We should stop hoping a lot on Sehwag as he can dominate only when he gets lucky with his natural strokes. Tendulkar is out there just to make some more records like 100th hundred and similar record as ODI. Tendulkar can retire in tests and play only ODIs as his body and mindset may not help him to play cricket longer these days. As rightly said by some of you Indian team under Dhoni has shifted gear to 20-20 format and remaining in that from some time. Most of the players including Dhoni are good for 20-20. Dhoni himself cannot play a test innings like a test cricketer. Even he can score only like limited overs cricket if he doesnt get out to a good ball. So it is to with the mindset and the preparation that these Indian players have towards test cricket. Probably they want to play quickly get out of the ground to relax

  • OutCast on August 21, 2011, 5:34 GMT

    Raina is like Bevan. He playes well in tight situation, but he doesn't play w/out fear. I could not understand why Raina failed even after he practiced in WI. Raina and Kohli should anchor #3 & #4 spots for the next decade. Dhoni better surrender gloves and play #5 and he will make a solid middle order. After wicket keeping he loses energy and plays lousy. Dhoni is so solid like Sangakkara or Gilchrist but he must follow Sanga in tests not to play dual roles.

  • Meety on August 21, 2011, 5:29 GMT

    India have been found wanting, the attitude is pretty poor & the results worse. I am very interested to see what the wash up of this series will be. Can't believe Rahul Dravid's lone hand in this series. I've been thinking for about 3 years he was way past his best. The rest should hang their head in shame. BTW - SRT missed a golden opportunity to 'do the right thing' & bat @ #3 for the FIRST time in his Test career. Instead VVS had to. I think that was poor from the great man, (given Dravid & VVS were prepared to put their hand up). As an Ozzy I've tended to fear VVS more than any other Indian batsmen (with good reason), I think he is probably either about to be dropped or retire or be told that the Oz tour is his last!

  • on August 21, 2011, 5:09 GMT

    @ wiseshah: Then England's test status should be taken long before when they were hammered by Aussies 5-0 in 2006 Ashes......Surely England will receive 5-0 hammering in ODIs.....so will it be right to take away England's ODI status.....????

  • on August 21, 2011, 4:08 GMT

    I just wonder how come all department failed collectively in all matches? Juts one man is shining that is RD & all his efforts are going into vain

  • nzcricket174 on August 21, 2011, 4:07 GMT

    @Bala Ca oh that is just gold! Haha!

  • on August 21, 2011, 8:02 GMT

    Oh, the travails of the Indian supporters; blame the Indian team, and English fans say " Why don't you praise the English players?". Praise the Englishmen, only to face a barrage of comments from other sub-continental fans who all subscibe to the ABI school ( Anyone but India) deriding us for lauding the English and pointing out that their respective teams have fared much better. Guess it's best to keep quiet and hope for a distant dawn. By the way, the Sri Lankans are not doing all that well in the home ODI series against Australia, are they ?

  • CricketingStargazer on August 21, 2011, 7:51 GMT

    Dolce, interesting point. Pity that cicket is played in reality and not in fantasy, because England actually won the last ODI series between the two sides in England,at a time when the ODI side was significantly weaker than it is today.

  • WhiteRaven on August 21, 2011, 7:22 GMT

    @cricsteveway: can tell you one thing, see when did raina came to bat? after fall of lax and sachin, so pressure was there on him, he's young and still learning. the most experienced in the world and used to call God of cricket is getting out like a school boy, why are you blaming raina? have you ever seen an Indian batsmen/bowler giving tips during batting/boweling? as a team they are failed. i'd say this guys should retire, so we can groom sharmas/pujaras/badris/rainas/kohlis and more.

  • on August 21, 2011, 6:56 GMT

    someone truely said...... the series has become.... ENGLAND VS DRAVID :)

  • cricsteveway on August 21, 2011, 5:55 GMT

    Raina unfit to play test matches or even ODIs. Raina good enough only for IPL. Raina has support of Dhoni a lot. Kohli has better technique and mindset than Raina. We should stop hoping a lot on Sehwag as he can dominate only when he gets lucky with his natural strokes. Tendulkar is out there just to make some more records like 100th hundred and similar record as ODI. Tendulkar can retire in tests and play only ODIs as his body and mindset may not help him to play cricket longer these days. As rightly said by some of you Indian team under Dhoni has shifted gear to 20-20 format and remaining in that from some time. Most of the players including Dhoni are good for 20-20. Dhoni himself cannot play a test innings like a test cricketer. Even he can score only like limited overs cricket if he doesnt get out to a good ball. So it is to with the mindset and the preparation that these Indian players have towards test cricket. Probably they want to play quickly get out of the ground to relax

  • OutCast on August 21, 2011, 5:34 GMT

    Raina is like Bevan. He playes well in tight situation, but he doesn't play w/out fear. I could not understand why Raina failed even after he practiced in WI. Raina and Kohli should anchor #3 & #4 spots for the next decade. Dhoni better surrender gloves and play #5 and he will make a solid middle order. After wicket keeping he loses energy and plays lousy. Dhoni is so solid like Sangakkara or Gilchrist but he must follow Sanga in tests not to play dual roles.

  • Meety on August 21, 2011, 5:29 GMT

    India have been found wanting, the attitude is pretty poor & the results worse. I am very interested to see what the wash up of this series will be. Can't believe Rahul Dravid's lone hand in this series. I've been thinking for about 3 years he was way past his best. The rest should hang their head in shame. BTW - SRT missed a golden opportunity to 'do the right thing' & bat @ #3 for the FIRST time in his Test career. Instead VVS had to. I think that was poor from the great man, (given Dravid & VVS were prepared to put their hand up). As an Ozzy I've tended to fear VVS more than any other Indian batsmen (with good reason), I think he is probably either about to be dropped or retire or be told that the Oz tour is his last!

  • on August 21, 2011, 5:09 GMT

    @ wiseshah: Then England's test status should be taken long before when they were hammered by Aussies 5-0 in 2006 Ashes......Surely England will receive 5-0 hammering in ODIs.....so will it be right to take away England's ODI status.....????

  • on August 21, 2011, 4:08 GMT

    I just wonder how come all department failed collectively in all matches? Juts one man is shining that is RD & all his efforts are going into vain

  • nzcricket174 on August 21, 2011, 4:07 GMT

    @Bala Ca oh that is just gold! Haha!

  • on August 21, 2011, 3:37 GMT

    raina is playing as the main spinner not as a specialist batsman. was he sent as nightwatchman?

  • on August 21, 2011, 3:13 GMT

    I think its high time Indian spectators and promoting companies provided Indian hockey players better support and stop supporting these rich non performing cricket players and promote the National Game.

  • JustIPL on August 21, 2011, 2:49 GMT

    Looks like sehwag's injury is limiting the movement of his arm. He cannot throw and also arm movement is not as sharp while playing his strokes. IPL should be stopped. Champions league is fine but it should be 40 overs competition. It will take a long time to undo the damage done by 2020 cricket to the temprament of Indian players. Better to start four innings two day matches where last innings will always be a chase. Seriously Indian cricket is in shambles as the players have switched their to advertising.

  • on August 21, 2011, 2:40 GMT

    Indian Team Sucks :( As simple as I can say :)

  • aracer on August 21, 2011, 2:29 GMT

    To be fair to Sachin staying at 4, it appears VVS prefers to bat at 3 - nobody is complaining about KP being protected at 4 when Bell moved to 3 with Trott out. Though with Sehwag as an opener, number 4 is the new number 3 anyway!

  • Trickstar on August 21, 2011, 2:12 GMT

    @Nandu Menon Your understanding of cricket balls seems to be next to nothing, as well as making things up, like no one likes using the Duke ball, just about every fast bowler and swing bowler loves to use the Duke ball, with it's more pronounced seam and darker colour, make it the ideal fast bowlers tool, your own best bowler Zaheer loves the ball, Kumar, all the Pakistani bowlers, great bowlers of the past, such as the WI side, loved to use the Duke ball, so what you've typed is just waffle. The part where you've put 'Let us see how good these english batsmen are at other venues later on' well we've heard that line before, wasn't it the Aussies that said the same thing, well it turned out the English batsmen could do pretty well there too, what more they have better bowlers than the Indians.

  • Chris_P on August 21, 2011, 1:47 GMT

    Come on you guys. Stop bagging your team and start giving credit where its due. At the start of the series, you were belittling England and talking up whitewashes (actually that part is correct, but the other way!). The much vaunted Indian batting limeup was going to feast on the English seamers like last time & Swann would be shown up for the ordinary bowler he was. Well? Let's hear some praise for a change?

  • wiseshah on August 21, 2011, 0:55 GMT

    Its time to take away indias test status

  • NRI- on August 21, 2011, 0:52 GMT

    Gavaskar never wore a helmet and never got hit on the head even by the great WI bowlers. Tendulkar is a great driver of the ball but both he and Dravid have been hit on the head in the last two years now. Gavaskar retired before he got to 35. Begs the question. This side has to stop protecting Tendulkar. If VVS comes at 5 and him at 4, injury to an opener should mean EVERYONE moves up the order. It is not worth sacrificing VVS for a protected God who scores 23. He opens in one days which maximizes the chances of hundreds in ODI's. Why not in tests, at least when one of the openers is injured? Even Sehwag has been sacrificed by forcing him to become an opener, which doesnt work overseas.

  • on August 21, 2011, 0:41 GMT

    Breaking News : BCCI has directed the the Chairman of Selection Committee to withdraw the men's team from England and send our Women's team instead, thereby greatly increasing the chances of a win in the One day series. ECB has welcomed the decision and is now assured of fair competition in the matches to follow.

  • on August 21, 2011, 0:32 GMT

    @Truemans_Ghost I don't think you realize how different sub continent wickets are. Medium pacers don't do anything for India in India. Its usually the spinners. Given that our spinners are pretty average right now I do think you are right about your assertion that India would have lost in India as well. They look worse than Bangladesh or even Canada for that matter. The most basic thing, zeall to will

  • on August 21, 2011, 0:32 GMT

    @ Arun Kumar Morishetty; You righly said mate...only SA was more competitive...yet IND lost in SL..for a less competitive side (according to your interpretation)...sorry mate....

  • on August 21, 2011, 0:21 GMT

    India should start praying for Rain and more rain for the balance of this test.All England need is one full days play to bowl India out twice.I wonder how the Indian fans home are feeling.As I said before,India's test cricket will suffer because of the IPL.India have truly become the laughing stock of the world.

  • on August 21, 2011, 0:13 GMT

    The ads say it all, as yet another Indian wicket falls or an English batsman strides majestically on, viewers are faced with a barrage of ads for the Champions T-20 League. It's all a bit too much !!!

  • kumarcoolbuddy on August 20, 2011, 23:12 GMT

    @Cric_info_pak, for a moment lets forget about this series and now tell me how do you judge players' talent?

  • on August 20, 2011, 23:09 GMT

    @anirudh sriraam tendulkar is not to blameee for india's failure. Why you people are so narrow minded?@anirudh sriraam tendulkar is not to blameee for india's failure. Why you people are so narrow minded?

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 20, 2011, 22:59 GMT

    Dear English Fans, England Team and Rahul Dravid, here I am, waving my white flag at you all as a sign of surrender as well as happiness for the wonderful test cricket I've witnessed. I stand here with my mouth shut and head down, taking a bow at you all, the England Team and Rahul Dravid. I have nothing more to say except for honestly feeling very very happy for you all. You have every right to celebrate this success as emotionally as you all deserve. Thank you England for this wonderful display of test cricket. ENGLAND AND DRAVID = RESPECT.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on August 20, 2011, 22:58 GMT

    @Riingo, I strongly believe I am cool. @Valavan, sorry if you guyz feel that as arrogance. My intention was not to demoralize ENG team or ENG fans. I understand some Indian fans are arrogant, in fact I saw even more no. of arrogant ENG fans, but that doesn't mean that all are arrogant. It makes me laugh when you say Indian players are arrogant :). When I said ENG was lucky I didn't mean they are winning luckily but other teams utterly failed. ENG definitely performed very well but at the same time other teams utterly failed because of their own problems. Did you see world top batting line-up failing like this continuously? They are proved world top after performing well in all kind of conditions. Think neutrally and tell me. Stick A was larger than stick B but B is made larger by increasing it's own size and decreasing A's size.

  • Truemans_Ghost on August 20, 2011, 22:48 GMT

    @Nandu.... England have been using the Duke ball for years. We were using it when India last came here and won and during numerous other home humiliations. Reading this board sometimes you would think this series (and the Sri Lankan one for that matter) was played with a square ball on the moon! I'm sorry, but England are a better team. If this series had been played in India, I'm pretty sure England would still have won. Not by so many perhaps, but would still have won. If these medium pacers can't bowl a side out in England, they won't in India

  • aracer on August 20, 2011, 22:44 GMT

    Swann takes 3/27 in 10 on a wicket where India's specialist spinner has the 12th worst bowling figures ever. If that doesn't shut the India fans up about "wait until England come to play in India", then I don't know what will. Or is their point something other than that the pitches in India help spinners rather than fast bowlers and that they have better spinners and better players of spin?

  • spinkingKK on August 20, 2011, 22:44 GMT

    Swan is THE BEST spin bowler in the world at the moment. So, it is not a big shame to give some wickets to him. However, to lose the wickets in a pack like this in a very short time is a big shame for a world-fearing batting line-up. Batting needed a revamp for very long time, but hasn't been done. I won't blame selectors completely. There was not enough talents coming through. This is the time when the selectors have to work some extra hours and choose the ones who are most suited to the test side than just selecting people by the domestic statistics. India need to build a team for the future right NOW, or we might face big humiliations like this. I can see people making comments about Yuvraj not being a test player. However, he only played one test match and he was able to score a half century in that. I think Yuvraj should be the one to lead the batting revival for India.

  • Domzo on August 20, 2011, 22:27 GMT

    @NanduMelon - oh for heaven's sake, now you're blaming the ball for India's failures?! That really is clutching at straws. England's bowlers are just fine with the red Kookaburra, and Kumar, like Asif and Amir during the Pakistan series, seemed to rather like the Duke because the more pronounced seam aids swing bowling.

  • on August 20, 2011, 22:24 GMT

    Ha Ha Ha! And England have 5 tests scheduled against this mob in 2014 thanks to the BCCI power play!

  • Full-Blooded-Wallop on August 20, 2011, 22:18 GMT

    It is not over yet, watch out for a 401* by dravid and 201 by dhoni. Go India GO :)

  • indian1980 on August 20, 2011, 22:10 GMT

    Again a terrible performance by the Indians. I understand our bowling is Very bad. But the batting , why we picked Viru and Raina, Laxman and Sachin . Rahul Dravid scoring more than half of the india's run. I hope we can socre 200 this time.

  • on August 20, 2011, 22:04 GMT

    indian cricket idol hunt or the indian cricket star hunt..what ever u call it..MONDAY TO THURSDAY at STAR PLUS AT 9:00 PM...Make sure to watch it everyday...

  • wolf777 on August 20, 2011, 22:02 GMT

    Now Raina can not play spin bowling? Why is he in the playing eleven? Don't play him in ODI. Give someone else a chance.

  • Raki99 on August 20, 2011, 22:01 GMT

    who should be held accountable for this fiasco? the captain, the coach the selectors the BCCI the players? I would say all of them and also me for watching and spending time on this jokers send them back to india and give the one day series too to england. England are real test champions and please don't tell me they have to perform in the subcontinent, they will and i bet you when they come to india for the test series next winter they will defeat india remember australia in 2004. Indian cricket needs serious soul seraching after this series where they want to be in next 2, 4 and 5 years. Otherwise we will be heading the west indies way.

  • cricfan0110 on August 20, 2011, 22:00 GMT

    Few days ago Dhoni said that its just a bad patch for indian cricket but can't he see that its a real horror, especially the batting. indian total not once crossing 300. that awefull. really these guys have become proud of what they have achieved and i really feel a clean sweep is necesary to bring them back on earth. sehwag lost in his own world where he sees ball and hits the ball sachin lost in the dream of 100th international hundred, raina is not going to learn how to play short balls and to make it worse he is now getting out on full length deliveries and against spinner. if eng bowlers bowl 100 ball they make indian batsmen play 80 of them and indian do just opposite, they bowl 80 of them outside off stump. except dravid every other player is getting worse. really frustrated watching this.

  • CricketingStargazer on August 20, 2011, 21:55 GMT

    Part of the problem is that there are some over-hyped players in the Indian side who have built up huge reputations playing against friendly attacks on dead pitches. A case in point is Virende Sehwag: he averages 26.75 in 13 Tests against England. It's not a case of seam-friendly pitches because he actually averages *less* against England in India than in England. VVS Laxman averages 30.91 in 17 Tests against England and also does better against England (average 35.12) than in India. Suresh Raina averages 30.86 after 15 Tests, dropping to a miserable 15.0 against England. Sachin Tendulkar is exempt fom such criticism because over 17 Tests in England he averages an impressive 53.0, only fractionally less than his average against England in India.

  • on August 20, 2011, 21:40 GMT

    @bravobravo .. Well I agree that India has played miserably bad.. but I don't think their test status has to be revoked and put under probation. When England got white washed during the Ashes in 2007 do you think they have to be removed.Well not so. Even when Aus lost to Eng last yr in Ashes , so Aus has to be removed. That's the not the way. Well sometimes you go on bad patch. All they need to do is focus on the next coming series try to bring back your form atleast get out from the laziness. Well the big problem with IND is they played alot of home tests during past couple of yrs. The only away they played was SA, Bangladesh & SL. Of that only SA was more competitive. So it's better India start playing more of away series than Home. It prepares them alot.

  • The_bowlers_Holding on August 20, 2011, 21:24 GMT

    Again a totally one sided game, I was anticipating a classic series like the Ashes of 2005 with two evenly matched sides. India were under prepared for the 1st test but as someone posted earlier this is the 4th test, so how much practice do they need. Indian bowlers have been generally poor and let's not forget they won two good tosses in the first two tests and still lost heavily. The batsmen have also failed, often guilty of poor shot selection with some very good sustained England bowling. kumarcoolbuddy (I suspect you are probably very uncool) why were England lucky to play Aus (1-3) and India (probably 4-0), Aus were still ranked a top side at the start of the Ashes and India were supposedly No. 1 at the start of the series. I live in a house with a 'big Indian fan' and after constantly crowing over the IPL and how not many England players are in it (they are under central contracts and prioritise )has gone suspiciously quiet, test cricket is a purer test of skill and tactics

  • Cric_info_pak on August 20, 2011, 21:23 GMT

    i never remember when any No 1 team perform tht bad .... this is like bangladesh playing in england not losing but losing by big margins .... even bangladesh been criticize n ask for take away test status .. now wht about india .... tht's y money can buy u world cup but not every series next time india well be more prepare and use their money power to make series equal sided.......

  • Valavan on August 20, 2011, 21:16 GMT

    @kumarcoolbuddy, whats about being lucky, 4 tests -18days till now to be lucky. Accept that England is better team and arrogance of Indian team and fans backfired and hurt everyone including you. Pathetic team, pathetic performance, make sure you win against windies at home.

  • on August 20, 2011, 21:10 GMT

    Cant bat cant bowl cant field.............Go home India

  • Cric_info_pak on August 20, 2011, 21:09 GMT

    real india talent shown in this tour..... some strong batmen line up ..... no excuse for not having sehwag now

  • citizenkc on August 20, 2011, 20:49 GMT

    I remember as a young boy listening to radio coverage of the 1974 tour. As a "new" cricket fan, I felt quite sad at the thrashing we received then, but despite winning in 1971, it wasn't unusual for an Indian side to be on the losing side. This time it's entirely different. We have-on paper-one of the best batting lineups in the world. On a pitch where the English batsmen are hitting double centuries, we are batting as if on the opening day at Barbados facing Marshall, Garner, and Holding. What gives? I mean, this is the 4th match. We have had time to acclimatize, etc. It almost seems that the team has given up and just want to go home. There is no attempt to even make a fight of it. This is a real disservice to the millions of fans who had looked forward to this series. I think we would have accepted a defeat at the hands of a better team, but to not even show up and lose in this disgraceful way. A third loss in four days. Someone owes us an explanation and not the usual banalities.

  • sameer111111 on August 20, 2011, 20:43 GMT

    Just confirms what I have been saying all along. Dravid is the best test batsman for India, ever. Instead of looking at pure statistics, one needs to look at the context of the innings. A 70 when the team score is 200 is far better than a double century on flat tracks in a drawn game. Plus he dosen't mind batting in any position (for that matter, keeping wickets) unlike some so called "better than Bradman".

  • ToTellUTheTruth on August 20, 2011, 20:43 GMT

    Enough already. Put us (Indian fans) out of misery BCCI, by picking up a silly excuse and calling off this tour ASAP!!!!!

  • CricketChat on August 20, 2011, 20:34 GMT

    Given the fact that Ind batsmen are brought up on spin, it was fun and the same time sad to see Raina struggle to put bat on ball against Swann. It is clear that the Yuvrajs, Rainas are just not suitable for Test cricket, but only for short formats.Time to look at other faces.

  • anirudh.sriram on August 20, 2011, 20:29 GMT

    now india struggles with all 3 aspects of the game... the batting order is out of form... the bowling attack looks dull without zaheer... and the fielding was not all that great anyway. Kris srikkanth needs to be sacked and someone who knows indian cricket better should be brought in to handle the pressure of indian selection.... personally i believe that the time has come for tendulkar to retire... laxy and dravid still have some stuff left... people like badrinath and kohli mst be brought into the team.... india needs to work on its short pitch bowling.... both bowling it and facing it. talent searches hav to be conducted if they were to find any real talent....

  • on August 20, 2011, 20:21 GMT

    The real culprit, to a certain extent, could be the Duke ball made in 2010 which England is using now. Every other team hates to use this ball as you have to really have to learn the knack to hit the deck hard enough so the ball really seams &swings! The English bowlers are adept by now in doing that type of bowling.Indian bowlers are not! Let us see how good these english batsmen are at other venues later on. But that still does not excuse the shoddy batting by the Indians!Single handedly as a team ,they took Indian cricket to the 60"s teams! The oldies have fear written all over the face. At least for this final test the selectors should have tried out Mukund,Rohit,ashwin,vinay,munaf and parthiv instead of the frozen players now playing. I sincerely hope the damn seletion commi as a whole including the chairman either quit or be fired!

  • Raqueel on August 20, 2011, 20:12 GMT

    Without gambhir, it was obvious that everyone bats one place higher than normal. But the great tendulkar sticks to his usual position. WHY??????????? After all those runs and centuries, he again has to prove that he is a good enough player, who does not hides behind others. Its time the selectors make the hard call because this man has no intentions of retiring since so many personal records are on offer. Tendulkar its about time you start playing for india.

  • krishna_kwb on August 20, 2011, 20:00 GMT

    Gambhir, Raina, Ishant , Shreesant, Virat Kohli were made as our future heros. See them know. Where are our younger cricketers gone. I am fearing one or two more series like this, and Sachin, Dravid, Laxman and Sehwag out of scene in next 2-3 y ears, our cricket may go like our hockey is there.My sincere advice to Sachin: as and when he complete his 100th hundred, may be in next 3-4 innings, he should retire gracefully likie his mentor Gavaskar did the day he scored his first 100 in one day cricket.

  • BravoBravo on August 20, 2011, 19:59 GMT

    Such a miserable show by IND over all. I don't question BCCI but I question ICC ranking to start with, how this pathetic team of IND got the #1 ranking to start with. I mean how much time you need to be prepared. You lost miserably 3 test match in a row, and still crying like a slacker. I think IND test status should be revoked, and they should be put on probation like ZIM. IND after playe some 80+ yeras has the worst win to loss ratio in test cricket, and other formats of game too. This misery of IND need to be stopped, they really need some hard liquor to ease their pain.

  • cricpolitics on August 20, 2011, 19:58 GMT

    Such a pathetic and humiliating performance from the Indian team was long due. This has been the reality and true standing of Team India all along. I had always said the Indian progression to No 1 was due to hype and BCCI's maneuverings of the other cricket boards to play tests inside India. These Indian players have lost their way since their mouths have been stuffed with money and God's like attention that is given to them by the Indian public and the media. Look at it yourself now, your GOD's are failing miserably. The Indian team looks like a no 8 team even below Bangladesh and Zimbabwe at the moment. BCCI is better off restricting this Indian team to IPL and the Champion League only. Thank you for ruining this team BCCI.

  • Evilpengwinz on August 20, 2011, 19:56 GMT

    What is it with part time spinners being better than the main spinners against England recently? I remember Marcus North was probably the best spinner in the Ashes last winter before he got dropped for not scoring enough runs, and I'd argue that Raina has bowled better than both Mishra and Harbhajan. Therefore, Hafeez is going to tear us apart in the UAE :P

  • xjunda on August 20, 2011, 19:43 GMT

    Is someone able to explain India's batting order to me please!

    Opening with Dravid makes sense if Gambhir is injured but why on earth would you send Laxman 3rd rather than sticking with the usual batting order???

    We all know that Tendulkar is capable of playing new ball & Laxman loves & has been very effective to bat down the order!!!

    Everyone makes mistakes, but it's all about learning from them. I don't think they are learning at all. Are they? Please give me just one reason to justify this move, just one.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on August 20, 2011, 19:42 GMT

    By the way why batting fails only when ENG is bowling. I agree that ENG bowling is good but definitely not so great to dismiss Indian batting in this way. I don't see consistency in any bowler except Broad. Even if lack of preparation is the main problem for Indians they wouldn't struggle in 7 continuous innings. Definitely India is not lacking batting talent. Ageing players is not the problem yet. Something else is going wrong for Indian players besides to injuries. Is it psychological problem? But ENG is very lucky to have this series with India and also with AUS.

  • Me_A_Gemini on August 20, 2011, 19:40 GMT

    Sorry indian fans but indian bating is following the trend they set at the start of series. Lost by 190+, 300+, Inning+243.....what is next?? You are absolutely right...the next in the sequence is a Follow ON for which indian batsmen are trying hard for. I am sorry to say that I can't see any success for india in the ODI series as well. May be....if at their best....they may win T20s.

  • chillarparty on August 20, 2011, 19:37 GMT

    ok Another comment that i desperately wanted to make is this..how on earth do we blame BCCI? why do we blame BCCI for lack of match practise for players? LOL. DO you guys even know what you are talking about? we have been playing for the last 4 test matches, im sure we should have been "practised" by now! haha. One test was enough for a wakeup call for such an awesome batting lineup! it does not take 3 matches to understand..these are professional batters, batting let us down! bowling is horrible i know, but we are known for Batting and not once did we post over 288!!! OMG, even Bangladesh could do better! Stop accusing BCCI, start blaming the batsmen who cannot bat like Dravid and just stick to the crease! Sehwag seriously needs to change his attitude, i mean its fun and games if the team is winning, but if team needs the wicket, you dont have to swat at every gosh darn ball u see! "oh but i bat this way..sehwag"..good for u buddy, u can play galli cricket for life then....chillar

  • on August 20, 2011, 19:29 GMT

    Ganguly is a great leader. Dhoni is a better manager. Ganguly builts a team that lasts for many glorious years. Given a good team, Dhoni can manage the players better. Dhoni was lucky to lay hands on the talents Dada unearthed and succeded in managing them better. Now he is running out of them. And his captaincy record in steep downhill. He can only apply band-aid fixes. Not capable of a bold surgery like Dada did. Dhoni will do well in IPL as talents can just be bought.

  • Jerry80in on August 20, 2011, 19:29 GMT

    Pathetic show from Indians! They were rightly stripped of the no. 1 tag. Except for Dravid, all are a big shame for Indian cricket. Sachin forget your 100th century & for God's sake retire... where the hell was your experience, application. I'm devastated with such huge & imposing victories. On Day 1,2 & 3 English batsmen make hay & here we're struggling with 5 wickets down....

  • on August 20, 2011, 19:28 GMT

    Dravid has another good year for India in front of him, perhaps two. Tendulkar and Laxman have scored heavily in Australia in the past - they will be selected for the tour of Australia, but should retire after that.

    The younger Indian batsmen are good at one day cricket, but lack the patience and technique for Test Cricket.

    Fielding will remain poor.The Indian bowlng is the biggest worry.

  • Cricket_Junky on August 20, 2011, 19:27 GMT

    Fully agree with afs_talyarkhan Even any English County team can beat this so called No 1 Indian team.

  • demon_bowler on August 20, 2011, 19:24 GMT

    How did a batsman as bad as Raina ever get selected? He can't play the short ball, he can't play swing, he can't play seam, and he can't play spin! As usual when a side is being hammered, it turns out that all the players who are not there would have done so much better...you wish.

  • serious-am-i on August 20, 2011, 19:24 GMT

    Hazra, raina could bowl a bit can Saha bowl ? I don't think so, there are no reserves who could bowl a bit and a bat too

  • kancnaic on August 20, 2011, 19:20 GMT

    While the less experienced English batsmen are making double centuries or atleast a century,the more experienced Indian batsmen find it difficult even to stay in the middle.PLEASE DECIDE WHICH IS IMPORTANT....TALENT OR EXPERIENCE?

  • on August 20, 2011, 19:20 GMT

    IPL entertainers getting killed again. Tests separate the men from the boys... no need to wait til Jan 26 for the Indian parade to continue... the team has no mental strength or the tenacity to play in the 5-day format. the team should be sticking to 20-over and 50-over entertainment... really feel sorry for Dhoni...

    Hope England will go easy & allow Tendulkar to get his 100th ton so that he can retire in peace!!! There is plenty of time for indians to complete 3 innings!!!

  • on August 20, 2011, 19:18 GMT

    Kohli deserved a place instead of Raina and Vinay Kumar, Mithun deserved a place instead of RP. Dhoni's luck is finally running out....SRTs fans have gone dumber from game 1 to game 4.

  • chillarparty on August 20, 2011, 19:16 GMT

    what a pathetic show of cricket. already 5 wickets down? 2 more days to go? what else can we do to humiliate ourselves? The legendary batting line up! even gods get jealous of the attention they get. I am sick and tired of sachin getting standing ovations every time he goes on the field! i mean c'mon, if he plays good then maybe they should cheer him and ovate him, but gawwwwd..the man just has to sneeze for the fans to celebrate his life! What about Rahul Dravid..the dude moves around the batting for team cause, puts his bat down and grinds it out. no respect or attention to him? WHY DOES TENDULKAR never shuffles in the batting order? how come nobodi talks about that? IS he superstitious that he might not make his success in other spots, cuz lately in the last 7 innings he hasnt been successful either! ok cricinfo, plz post this comment, as it is not derogatory. thanks chillar party

  • Jaggadaaku on August 20, 2011, 19:15 GMT

    Suresh Raina has become the Pravin Amre who scored century on debut against SA and disappeared in no time. Suresh Raina also blasted century on debut against SL and these days cannot find a single run after playing 25 balls. I personally was supporting Sachin Tendulkar and also wanted him to be awarded by "SIR". Sachin would ruin his next 20-30 innings in tense and nervousness hitting his 100th international century. All English batsmen blasting centuries one by one in every match and in Indian territory, except Dravid, no one even good enough to pass 25 runs mark mostly. I mean what is this? Am I watching the match of England Vs. Bermuda or what? We all know, we don't have good bowlers, we cannot all-out the opponent twice, but we have the world's greatest batsmen-4 batsmen carry 50+ averages, Raina, the century maker on debut, Laxman, the Indian wall of cricket. It means we have more than enough batting power at-least to draw every match. So, all the greatest batsmen failed @ once?

  • kancnaic on August 20, 2011, 19:08 GMT

    This test will be special for Swann.Because everyone in England side have shown their match winning knocks expect Swann.So this will be the time for Swann.

  • IAS2009 on August 20, 2011, 19:04 GMT

    it has been one of the nightmare series for India, It is miserable in all departments, even the weakest India team in the past did not fold that easily, the technique shown by experienced batsmen with almost 40 thousand test runs between them can not be explained, England bowling attack is good but not unplayable as shown by top class Indian batting, in the end on or two bad selection will not have changed the outcome of the series.

  • pom_don on August 20, 2011, 19:01 GMT

    Perhaps the Indian fans might now realize who is the best spinner in world cricket & who is without doubt the No1 team in test cricket.....it will be interesting to watch Swann bowl in the sub continent will it not? A totally professional game played by England ( & Dravid) the rest of it was sub club level yet again!

  • dsig3 on August 20, 2011, 19:00 GMT

    Isnt he supposed to be a fantastic player of spin? Doesnt really seem like it.

  • Bobby_Talyarkhan on August 20, 2011, 18:54 GMT

    This is an utterly demoralised team with no one who has the moral or atheletic integrity to lift their spirits and give them heart for the fight. This is the culmination of the template BCCI has been perfecting for the last few years for international cricket - cash is king, odi's and 20-20 galore, no warmup matches for touring sides, no attention given to the domestic structure of first class cricket, short termist grandstanding and tokenism, giving players "rest" when they need match practice, allowing players to play ipl and then have operations which lead to them not being fit for test matches, playing "stars" even when they are not fully fit (after all where can you play them if you don't have any warmup matches?), allowing young players to earn millions performing as circus monkeys in ipl (and then expecting them to have the motivation and desire to play test cricket???!!!), having every "promising" young fast bowler injured or no longer bowling fast - welcome to the future!

  • on August 20, 2011, 18:52 GMT

    I think for Next AUS tour India Need 6 Rahul Dravid and 5 Zaheer Khan..

  • on August 20, 2011, 18:50 GMT

    I don't understand the selection of suresh raina ahead of Virat Kohli which is more technically sound and can play english bowling attack more comfortably and also we could easily see suresh raina struggling with short deliveries.

  • on August 20, 2011, 18:50 GMT

    players like raina and rp are dhoni's first choice but he didn't give a single chance to wriddhiman the promising batsman.this is nothing but purely nepotism and politicization of cricket.rp hasn't played a first class match in three moths but got a chance, and eventually showed his skill to ashame Indian fans.

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  • on August 20, 2011, 18:50 GMT

    players like raina and rp are dhoni's first choice but he didn't give a single chance to wriddhiman the promising batsman.this is nothing but purely nepotism and politicization of cricket.rp hasn't played a first class match in three moths but got a chance, and eventually showed his skill to ashame Indian fans.

  • on August 20, 2011, 18:50 GMT

    I don't understand the selection of suresh raina ahead of Virat Kohli which is more technically sound and can play english bowling attack more comfortably and also we could easily see suresh raina struggling with short deliveries.

  • on August 20, 2011, 18:52 GMT

    I think for Next AUS tour India Need 6 Rahul Dravid and 5 Zaheer Khan..

  • Bobby_Talyarkhan on August 20, 2011, 18:54 GMT

    This is an utterly demoralised team with no one who has the moral or atheletic integrity to lift their spirits and give them heart for the fight. This is the culmination of the template BCCI has been perfecting for the last few years for international cricket - cash is king, odi's and 20-20 galore, no warmup matches for touring sides, no attention given to the domestic structure of first class cricket, short termist grandstanding and tokenism, giving players "rest" when they need match practice, allowing players to play ipl and then have operations which lead to them not being fit for test matches, playing "stars" even when they are not fully fit (after all where can you play them if you don't have any warmup matches?), allowing young players to earn millions performing as circus monkeys in ipl (and then expecting them to have the motivation and desire to play test cricket???!!!), having every "promising" young fast bowler injured or no longer bowling fast - welcome to the future!

  • dsig3 on August 20, 2011, 19:00 GMT

    Isnt he supposed to be a fantastic player of spin? Doesnt really seem like it.

  • pom_don on August 20, 2011, 19:01 GMT

    Perhaps the Indian fans might now realize who is the best spinner in world cricket & who is without doubt the No1 team in test cricket.....it will be interesting to watch Swann bowl in the sub continent will it not? A totally professional game played by England ( & Dravid) the rest of it was sub club level yet again!

  • IAS2009 on August 20, 2011, 19:04 GMT

    it has been one of the nightmare series for India, It is miserable in all departments, even the weakest India team in the past did not fold that easily, the technique shown by experienced batsmen with almost 40 thousand test runs between them can not be explained, England bowling attack is good but not unplayable as shown by top class Indian batting, in the end on or two bad selection will not have changed the outcome of the series.

  • kancnaic on August 20, 2011, 19:08 GMT

    This test will be special for Swann.Because everyone in England side have shown their match winning knocks expect Swann.So this will be the time for Swann.

  • Jaggadaaku on August 20, 2011, 19:15 GMT

    Suresh Raina has become the Pravin Amre who scored century on debut against SA and disappeared in no time. Suresh Raina also blasted century on debut against SL and these days cannot find a single run after playing 25 balls. I personally was supporting Sachin Tendulkar and also wanted him to be awarded by "SIR". Sachin would ruin his next 20-30 innings in tense and nervousness hitting his 100th international century. All English batsmen blasting centuries one by one in every match and in Indian territory, except Dravid, no one even good enough to pass 25 runs mark mostly. I mean what is this? Am I watching the match of England Vs. Bermuda or what? We all know, we don't have good bowlers, we cannot all-out the opponent twice, but we have the world's greatest batsmen-4 batsmen carry 50+ averages, Raina, the century maker on debut, Laxman, the Indian wall of cricket. It means we have more than enough batting power at-least to draw every match. So, all the greatest batsmen failed @ once?

  • chillarparty on August 20, 2011, 19:16 GMT

    what a pathetic show of cricket. already 5 wickets down? 2 more days to go? what else can we do to humiliate ourselves? The legendary batting line up! even gods get jealous of the attention they get. I am sick and tired of sachin getting standing ovations every time he goes on the field! i mean c'mon, if he plays good then maybe they should cheer him and ovate him, but gawwwwd..the man just has to sneeze for the fans to celebrate his life! What about Rahul Dravid..the dude moves around the batting for team cause, puts his bat down and grinds it out. no respect or attention to him? WHY DOES TENDULKAR never shuffles in the batting order? how come nobodi talks about that? IS he superstitious that he might not make his success in other spots, cuz lately in the last 7 innings he hasnt been successful either! ok cricinfo, plz post this comment, as it is not derogatory. thanks chillar party