India in England 2014 July 24, 2014

Keeper Dhoni struggling for form - Kirmani

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'Dhoni's keeping not quite as outstanding anymore' - Kirmani

Syed Kirmani, India's most capped wicketkeeper with 88 Test appearances to his name, has attributed MS Dhoni's patchy performance with the gloves in the Investec Test series against England to "lack of form". Kirmani has urged Dhoni to study video footage, identify and work on his weaknesses to better his keeping.

Dhoni's glove-work has come under scrutiny after a string of errors in the two Tests at Trent Bridge and Lord's. He has conceded 24 byes in the series so far and has looked far from assured to either the seam bowlers or the spinners.

Kirmani, who effected 160 catches and 38 stumpings over his decade-long Test career from 1976-1986, told ESPNcricinfo that Dhoni's performance behind the stumps had declined.

"As the years pass, the performance of an individual peaks," Kirmani said. "I suppose this is what Dhoni is going through right now with his wicketkeeping, he isn't quite as outstanding anymore."

However, Kirmani said, a little rest could help the India captain regain his form behind the stumps: "Form will come automatically, it is only a matter of rest for these players of the current era. With the hectic schedule, there is no time for rest."

Kirmani, who was known for his immaculate keeping, said Dhoni's methods of gathering the ball were not "technically sound". As an example, he pointed to the manner in which Dhoni had been collecting takes from seam bowlers in this series.

"You don't collect anything over the shoulder or over the waist in this fashion (demonstrates method Dhoni employs with fingers pointing towards the ball as he gathers it)," Kirmani said. "That is not the right technique. Either you go this way (demonstrates with palms facing sideways to the ball on both sides of the body) or you go this way (demonstrates with fingers pointing in an upward direction). He is collecting the ball with the wrong technique but he is doing that very effectively."

Kirmani was also convinced that Dhoni was not employing the right method while taking throws from his fielders. "You have to be behind the stumps to collect a throw from any direction of the field. You have to judge the flight and you have to be crouching right on top of the bails to evaluate the flight of the throw," he said. "When you are crouching you will be able to judge where it's going to land or whether it's going to come into your gloves or hit the stumps. There have been many times when Dhoni has missed chances because he has been in front of the stumps collecting the throws and trying to flick the ball behind him. That's not the right technique."

Dhoni has also missed a couple of catches in the series, most noticeably an opportunity from Gary Ballance on the second day of the Lord's Test. Ballance was on 32 at the time, and England 91 for 3, when Dhoni failed to dive for a healthy edge induced by Stuart Binny and the ball went between him and Shikhar Dhawan at first slip for a boundary. Ballance went on to make a century and help England take the first-innings lead.

Kirmani sympathised with Dhoni over the chance, saying that when a catch is towards the "right side" of a close-in fielder, he should attempt to take it. In this case, the chance went to Dhoni's left and, according to Kirmani, may have created a moment of confusion between him and Dhawan.

"First slip always is a little behind the wicketkeeper, Dhoni could have gone for it," he said. "But both of them thought the other would go for it and that's where the ball went - in between them. We can't point to agility, reflexes or movement of a player in this case."

Dhoni's decision to stand back to Ravindra Jadeja when the latter was bowling to left-handers was one of the talking points of the Lord's Test with many commentators claiming they had not seen such a thing before at the international level. Dhoni later explained his reasons for doing so and Kirmani said the Indian captain should be lauded for employing this out-of-the-box strategy. According to him, the move was designed to play with the mind of the batsman.

"If you are in desperate need to dislodge a partnership, the captain and the fielders start to think of how to get it done," he said. "You try all sorts of different ideas to disrupt the concentration of a batsman. When he stood up for Bhuvneswar, he restricted the batsman from stepping out. In Jadeja's case, he just took a chance, thinking that the batsman might step out, loft the ball and get out. This was a strategy that he planned."

With the third Test a few days away, Kirmani's advice to Dhoni is to keep things simple: "Go the way you have been going, you will improve automatically. Look at the video footage of where you have made mistakes to know where you stand and where you need to improve. You have the benefit of technology, coaches, support staff, so make full use of that."

Gaurav Kalra is a senior editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • ultrasnow on July 26, 2014, 9:16 GMT

    MSD is not here to keep wickets or bat, he's here to captain TEAM INDIA

  • on July 26, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    I completely agree with u Dileep. He is the best in his own class and style. so the thing is we have to give him support him.

  • cheguramana on July 26, 2014, 2:22 GMT

    Dhoni has never been a great keeper. For that matter, when is the last time he played a match defining captains knock ? His captaincy has always been his most valuable contribution. Having said that, no harm in listening to the former legends of India and try to improve his wicket keeping.

  • US_Indian on July 26, 2014, 1:29 GMT

    It is a pity to see such comments when people take even a peace of advise in good faith as offensive and as a criticism. These legendary cricketers are trying to give back a peace of their mind and advise in the interest of the game and for India and not for Dhoni in particular, it is upto him whether he takes or leaves it. Many a players reputation might have been not the same if they had not listened to older, senior players advise whether it is Gavaskar or Tendulkar or Azhar or todays players but the arrogance and humility are two different traits, there will be no harm if Dhoni listens and corrects himself, he could become a better keeper. It is there for every one to see that he is a good captain, a good ODI batsman but the same you cant say about his wicketkeeping, which is again a proof why many decent catches are dropped, stumpings are missed and run outs are not effected. Keep things simple and technique is a requirement dont play to the gallery,Any good keeper will agree.

  • pratik_techy on July 25, 2014, 18:44 GMT

    I am agree with Kirmani. Why Dhoni does not come behind stumps? I saw many times he is far away from stumps. He missed run out chance in Lord's test. Even fielders can not be sure where to thow? Fielders may are not able to throw accurately.

    Dhoni's decision to stand back to Ravindra Jadeja when the latter was bowling to left-handers. I don't understand. You could miss many close stumpings chances.!

    Even Dhoni missed lots of chances in New Zealand and South Africa.!

    PS. I am fan of Dhoni's batting in ODI.! :)

  • on July 25, 2014, 9:05 GMT

    Kirmani may be the better wicket-keeper in his era. But MSD is the best. Earlier it is Kirmani who said in 2007 that Dhoni will soon be out of form in terms of his batting. But what has happened. He is the top 10 batsman in the world for the past 5-6 years. Kirmani should suggest Dhoni for the better option but should not criticize his style as Dhoni unlike Kirmani is the LEGEND OF INDIAN CRICKET

  • latecut_04 on July 25, 2014, 6:59 GMT

    @linguboy.thanks for your response.But beg to disagree with your comments.A good keeper should be able to keep wickets anywhere.Ageed it is difficult to adjust from low bounce to highbounce and slow pitches to fast pitches for a keeper,but thas what great keepers are successful at.eg:Moin Khan.Also Bouche and Gilly hae praised Dhoni???really??well I have never heard that

  • MD82 on July 25, 2014, 6:49 GMT

    Develop Kumar, dhoni has already surpassed all other Indian keepers in catches & stumping. It's just advice and it's good to listen to your elders at times but surely do your own.

  • varada59 on July 25, 2014, 6:08 GMT

    As Dhoni himself admitted he may not be playing Test Cricket again in England.Playing all round the year,you have no time to correct the flaws .Dhoni is a thinking cricketer and he will definitely take Kiri's advice in the correct sense.

  • on July 25, 2014, 6:00 GMT

    FOR ALL MSD CRITISISERSjust wait for one year then u will not see dhoni in all formats then everybody vi see indian team in vtout a legend....

  • ultrasnow on July 26, 2014, 9:16 GMT

    MSD is not here to keep wickets or bat, he's here to captain TEAM INDIA

  • on July 26, 2014, 7:04 GMT

    I completely agree with u Dileep. He is the best in his own class and style. so the thing is we have to give him support him.

  • cheguramana on July 26, 2014, 2:22 GMT

    Dhoni has never been a great keeper. For that matter, when is the last time he played a match defining captains knock ? His captaincy has always been his most valuable contribution. Having said that, no harm in listening to the former legends of India and try to improve his wicket keeping.

  • US_Indian on July 26, 2014, 1:29 GMT

    It is a pity to see such comments when people take even a peace of advise in good faith as offensive and as a criticism. These legendary cricketers are trying to give back a peace of their mind and advise in the interest of the game and for India and not for Dhoni in particular, it is upto him whether he takes or leaves it. Many a players reputation might have been not the same if they had not listened to older, senior players advise whether it is Gavaskar or Tendulkar or Azhar or todays players but the arrogance and humility are two different traits, there will be no harm if Dhoni listens and corrects himself, he could become a better keeper. It is there for every one to see that he is a good captain, a good ODI batsman but the same you cant say about his wicketkeeping, which is again a proof why many decent catches are dropped, stumpings are missed and run outs are not effected. Keep things simple and technique is a requirement dont play to the gallery,Any good keeper will agree.

  • pratik_techy on July 25, 2014, 18:44 GMT

    I am agree with Kirmani. Why Dhoni does not come behind stumps? I saw many times he is far away from stumps. He missed run out chance in Lord's test. Even fielders can not be sure where to thow? Fielders may are not able to throw accurately.

    Dhoni's decision to stand back to Ravindra Jadeja when the latter was bowling to left-handers. I don't understand. You could miss many close stumpings chances.!

    Even Dhoni missed lots of chances in New Zealand and South Africa.!

    PS. I am fan of Dhoni's batting in ODI.! :)

  • on July 25, 2014, 9:05 GMT

    Kirmani may be the better wicket-keeper in his era. But MSD is the best. Earlier it is Kirmani who said in 2007 that Dhoni will soon be out of form in terms of his batting. But what has happened. He is the top 10 batsman in the world for the past 5-6 years. Kirmani should suggest Dhoni for the better option but should not criticize his style as Dhoni unlike Kirmani is the LEGEND OF INDIAN CRICKET

  • latecut_04 on July 25, 2014, 6:59 GMT

    @linguboy.thanks for your response.But beg to disagree with your comments.A good keeper should be able to keep wickets anywhere.Ageed it is difficult to adjust from low bounce to highbounce and slow pitches to fast pitches for a keeper,but thas what great keepers are successful at.eg:Moin Khan.Also Bouche and Gilly hae praised Dhoni???really??well I have never heard that

  • MD82 on July 25, 2014, 6:49 GMT

    Develop Kumar, dhoni has already surpassed all other Indian keepers in catches & stumping. It's just advice and it's good to listen to your elders at times but surely do your own.

  • varada59 on July 25, 2014, 6:08 GMT

    As Dhoni himself admitted he may not be playing Test Cricket again in England.Playing all round the year,you have no time to correct the flaws .Dhoni is a thinking cricketer and he will definitely take Kiri's advice in the correct sense.

  • on July 25, 2014, 6:00 GMT

    FOR ALL MSD CRITISISERSjust wait for one year then u will not see dhoni in all formats then everybody vi see indian team in vtout a legend....

  • on July 25, 2014, 4:40 GMT

    it is the result that matters. you can not insist everyone to follow copybook style. In that case we would never have had Shehwag, Muralidharan, Kumble, etc... they all defied the traditional wisdom, still found their success. Dhoni does not have the right technique for keeping and even batting.He does not have a tight defence as well . But he is the greatest finisher in One day and T 20. And I am sure by the end of his career, he will surpass every Indian keeper in number of dismissals. Dhonis name will be etched in the annals of history as the greatest Captain India has ever had. With all respect to Kirmani and Farooq, pls leave him alone. He will find solution for his own shortcoming.

  • Sexysteven on July 25, 2014, 2:44 GMT

    Dhoni has never been a great keeper in my view he gets exposed a lot when playing overseas I think it's time he gives up test cricket he's better in white ball cricket and his batting gets exposed in test cricket specially against the new ball outside the off stumping knicking out his stats are ok at test level with the bat but not great like they are at white ball cricket with great talents coming through like samju Samson there's no need for dhoni to play tests anyone cos I do think samju Samson is so good and talented he's probably ready for test cricket now I think

  • on July 25, 2014, 1:37 GMT

    human beings are made to make mistakes, why these much discussions he knows when to leave, kirmani was obviously a great but the way is changed need more innovative ideas.

  • Chennai_Cricket on July 25, 2014, 1:16 GMT

    He is much better than kirmani and all other indian wicket keeper. Kirmani jobs is only wicket keeping but dhoni is a indian captain, he needs to think every ball and he need to analyze every situation. Even though he keeps superbly. He is a legend

  • IndCricFan2013 on July 25, 2014, 0:18 GMT

    Excellent analysis by Kirmani. But he did not say Dhoni is struggling for form in the video. What he said was he needs to take rest, look at videos and come back to form like how he was. Let us not to change what Kirmani, the gentle man said. You could point out that,Kirmani said, Dhoni's technique for collecting is not correct, but he is still effective.

  • Nampally on July 24, 2014, 23:44 GMT

    I agree with Kirmani in pointing out Dhonis flawed technique in taking catches, staying behind the wkts. while collecting throws for run outs. In addition I also felt strongly that it is wk.'s job to g for any reachable catch even if it is going to the slip because he has huge gloves to trap the catch. It is rare to miss a catch with a gloved hand as seen by all Baseball fielders. However Kirmani should realise that Dhoni did not have any formal coaching & comes from a small village in Jharkhand. So he is mostly self taught. His batting technique is lso flawed especially the footwork. But it is amazing that a guy with any coaching achieved so much & captained India for so long. Indan WK's in Kirmani era & earlier were superb in their technique. We had great keepers in Thamane, Kunderam, Engineer(all from Bombay) & Kirmani - all with copybook technique. Nevertheless Dhoni does a fine job with bat & as WK, despite his flawed technique. It is late to correct things learnt incorrectly NOW.

  • on July 24, 2014, 23:07 GMT

    Harshad Trivedi .... just remind me; how many Test-match stumpings did you get?!

  • ygkd on July 24, 2014, 22:03 GMT

    I remember Kirmani well. I don't think I've seen a better, more polished Indian keeper. By contrast, Dhoni's technique has always looked home-made. Now, there's no problem with that per se as Dhoni has proven with his successful career, but as he ages it is falling apart somewhat under the pressure of his workload. Captain, bat, keeper - one man can't be all things at once. Even his captaincy has not had sufficient spark. England have let India off the hook.

  • on July 24, 2014, 20:04 GMT

    Kirmani's comments are not right . If a fielder throws the ball in front of the wicket instead of over the wicket and a batsman will get inside the crease, it is the decision taken by the Keeper as to whether he should collect in front of the wicket or let them steal a run and a win ! How can a wicket keeper wait for the ball to come to him and miss a run out ? Yes he was found wanting in the 2 Tests but not because of lack of concentration. Kirmani is talking about his keeping technique but Dhoni is an innovator and he keeps on trying different things while batting and keeping.

  • on July 24, 2014, 19:15 GMT

    I guess we can have Naman Ojha as an alternative! He can replace binny and then we can have Dhoni not keeping! Btw his decision of staying back to jadeja can revolutionize the skill of wicketkeeping in near future!

  • on July 24, 2014, 18:32 GMT

    Dhoni is 33 years old.. should find a new keeper otherwise it will happen as before the selectors find dhoni...like dighe rathra patel dasgupta dahiya...btween dhoni and mongia inidan team has lot of wicket keeprs... they should promote keepers like sanju samson(who continues his form for long time..now also in australia he is playing well)

  • on July 24, 2014, 18:28 GMT

    MSD doesn't much care about technique and for the boost of performance he can take rest for some matches. but no one is ter to lead India at this stage. other than MSD everyone are kids to captaincy. cant handle it properly

  • on July 24, 2014, 18:09 GMT

    Excellent by Kirmani. No one should be above accepting advice for striving for excellence..A 3rd eye !

  • on July 24, 2014, 17:55 GMT

    @Jose Puliampatta. Dhoni is still the best in business, when it comes to standing up to the stumps, particularly on turning tracks, which is the toughest test for a keeper. It was only recently during the 4-0 drubbing of the Aussies at home, that he was at his brilliant best behind the stumps.

    Another solution could be to bring in Saha for Binny. Dhoni can then roll his arm over. Remember, he is also a medium pace swing bowler!!!

  • on July 24, 2014, 17:21 GMT

    Unorthodox is a word regularly associated with Dhoni.. Be it his batting, keeping or captaincy... It is working for him... (As Kirmani himself has observed)... So I'd say, leave him to his own devices... He is a strong man with a level head, who is well aware of his own strengths and failings... What's more, he knows how to capitalize on the former, and curtail the latter... As long as he is winning matches for the country, technique be damned!

  • St.John on July 24, 2014, 16:39 GMT

    What an authoriitive figure Syed Kirmani cuts in this interview. He certainly knows his wicketkeeping. In a calm and simple manner he tells Dhoni what may be wrong with the latters keeping and how to rectify mistakes. Brilliant...Kirmani should be on India's coaching staff.

  • on July 24, 2014, 16:34 GMT

    Dhoni is one of the best WK in the world...He is one of the quickest WK behind the stumps...He is one of the best WK batsmen,Captain etc...

  • Rahulbose on July 24, 2014, 16:14 GMT

    Ah the curse of the unorthodox technique. Such players always get a lot of criticism when not in form. From Brian Lara's backlift to Laxman's wrists to Malinga's arm, you won't find any of them described in a coaching manual. You couldn't emulate them or copy them if you tried. But the game is made great by these players, and we should celebrate them more.

  • DesaiVijay on July 24, 2014, 16:11 GMT

    Dhoni should be wise to act on the advise of KIRI and his good keeping will be a big boon to his exceptional captaincy and batting skills.

    Another surprise thing in this tour about Dhoni was his decision to pick Binny and having done this the way he handled him!. Sometimes it appeared it would have been better for Binny if he was not picked to play in playing 11. I only pray that Binny's Talent is also not spoilt similar to what we did for Irfan.

  • on July 24, 2014, 15:46 GMT

    After this series dhoni will be the most test capped Indian Wicket keeper, these things sometimes happen & dhoni should heed at the words of kirmani. India need Dhoni in all form of cricket whether its test, odi or t-20, there was no Dhoni before & there will be no Dhoni later.

  • on July 24, 2014, 15:23 GMT

    This article is about Dhoni's keeping skills and not his captaincy or batting. It goes without saying his calm and leadership skills are second to none. Kirmani's comments are spot on and something Dhoni would be wise to address

  • fairfan70 on July 24, 2014, 15:16 GMT

    This may sound harsh, but Dhoni needs to go, if not immediately at least after 2015 world cup. His wicket keeping skills have been deteriorating steadily, he has become a conservative captain (although Lords test was an aberration) and his batting only shines once in 6 or 7 matches. He achieved a lot of great results over the years, but now time is up for him. Unfortunate, hard reality!

  • on July 24, 2014, 15:02 GMT

    Ballance let-off: Both Dhoni & Dhawan should have gone for it. The close-in fielders take a bit in-and-out field positions behind the stumps; what for? If neither fielders near the passing ball attempts to grab it!

  • on July 24, 2014, 14:57 GMT

    @ Kalyan Budhavarti on (July 24, 2014, 13:08 GMT):

    A small correction. Dhoni's keeping skills have declined over the years.

    Saha is a better wicket keeper than Dhoni.

    Yes, he hasn't given us enough confidence to believe that he is a good keeper or batsman for the longest version. He is the best finisher in the short formats, though. But, that is not relevant at the moment.

    Unfortunately, Kohli's form has deserted (hopefully temporarily), and as such Dhoni can't do a semi-Prior, sit out, allow Kohli to take over, and let Saha keep.

    So.. .we will have Dhoni, as a "discounted " three-in-one (WK-Batsman-Captain), for a while.

    Fortunately, the players seem to have faith in him (I will not dare to ask Binny, though). Players' confidence makes a big difference. For instance,making Ishant do what he doesn't want to do is a great achievement.

  • Temuzin on July 24, 2014, 14:49 GMT

    I dont know what is peoples problem with Dhoni. He is currently best wicket keeper batsman in the world. Plus he has also broken all the records for an Indian wicket keeper including Kirmani's. Statiscally, he is far superior than kirmani's records/test. He may not be eye pleasing but is a very effective keepr .

  • on July 24, 2014, 14:38 GMT

    Dhoni's keeping technique, just like his batting technique is a country made one but effective enough. He may not do things the orthodox way, but is a good enough keeper. Despite being one of the best ever ODI batsman in the world, Dhoni's test record in comparison is ordinary, but that's in comparison to Dhoni the ODI batsman. He's averaging a perfectly acceptable 39 for a wicketkeeper. Dinesh Karthik can't keep and can't produce the goods consistently with the bat at the top level, Parthiv too is a less than average keeper. Saha is a good wicketkeeper but not that good a batsman. Sanju Samson does not take wicketkeeping seriously, he doesn't keep for Kerala in Ranji Trophy, he keeps only in limited overs. Anyways he's not ready with the bat and isn't a keeping prospect due to his attitude. Naman Ojha is coming of age only recently and his keeping and batting needs further refinement. What Dhoni should do though is to try and maximize scoring opportunities while batting overseas.

  • linguboy on July 24, 2014, 14:32 GMT

    @Anubhav Agarwal You may be right but I think you missed the basic point. In the past before DRS batsmen used their Pad as their second line of defense along with bat. So Bat alongside pad creates more chance of ball looping to nearby fielders rather. Now batsmen use their bats only to defend. So it generally reduces the chances. Umpires after the arrival of DRS are more convinced to give those leg before appeals when ball hits pad alongside bat. So batsmen changed their game according to it. Maybe I am wrong but Micheal Atherton explained it beautifully during the 2nd test. Nowadays balls that hits the glove only carry to backward short-leg and short-leg. Silly-point is an exception. Correct me if I am wrong. please publish cricinfo.

  • Venkat_Gowrishankar on July 24, 2014, 13:58 GMT

    @JamieMonaghan: Really? . Do me a favour , just get me the stats on when Australia , NZ , SA and Eng chased 200+ in the fourth innings against India in India. Let's face the facts, all the Southern hemisphere teams are good to play cricket only in conditions that are similar , they can never be dominant in Sub continent conditions, just as the same applies to other Sub continent teams. But , what we are seeing and albeit more and more is that the Sub continent teams are really pushing the envelope in conditions they are not supposed to .

    When a Sub continent team performs well outside of its country, its that "They just got Lucky". When they lose, " I Told ya so". So whatever the outcome is - "Subcontient teams are always average, they are never good, only Aus, NZ , Eng and SA are good. The rest might win World cups etc, yet they can never be good".And Australia being strong is a Joke, do I need to remind the 4-0 drubbing they received against India.

  • on July 24, 2014, 13:37 GMT

    I agree with the basic statement, at least. The bat pad catches in near batsman position are virtually non-existent since Dhoni came. These were a big feature in the past & India used to empty the tail-end through this type of fielding. So many jadeja bowl fell short of Kohli or Pujara. I hope someone grabs him by the collar & tells him his mistake or else he will keep doing same until India loses big once again. Anyways I do not think that he is a good captain and India needs a replacement on 3 counts- keeper,batsman and captain.

  • on July 24, 2014, 13:08 GMT

    Dhoni has never been or can ever be a test level keeper. He had the same keeping skills when he entered the scene 10 years ago as now. And one who has not improved for over 10 years cannot improve suddenly. It is not a question of orthodox or unorthodox, he is just not a good enough test keeper or test batsman. This series in itself is an example. 9/10 batsman would gone on to score atleast 120-130 in the first test and essentially finished off the game there. And then again failed under pressure in the 2nd Innings. This game, 2 dropped chances(agreed one was tough) and no contribution with the bat. yet India won. In SA and NZ too, we had several performances but had a captain who did not know how to close games. I repeat this, India won despite Dhoni in the side, despite esentially playing only 9 people in the team. In the past too, India won because of the (good) performances of the seniors and lost too because of the (bad) performance of the seniors.

  • Mr_Anonymous on July 24, 2014, 13:00 GMT

    I think you have to look at the options available as well. Wriddhiman Saha maybe a technically better keeper (who has also been working on his batting) although there are not too many other options on the horizon until Sanju Samson perhaps gets ready. Dinesh Karthik is a better batsman than keeper. So, while the Ballance miss could have proved crucial, in the final analysis, it was a tough chance as Kirmani has explained (and to a certain extent, both Dhoni and Dhawan should have gone for it, perhaps atleast one would have made it rather than both not going for it, sloppy on both counts). There is an option available in Dhoni playing as a captain, specialist batsman and fielder and picking Saha as the main keeper (kind of similar to McCullum transitioning into that role for NZ) although at this point, I am not sure it is time yet since the team balance is better with him as keeper for now. It might be interesting to try this option in a Test played in India at some point.

  • on July 24, 2014, 12:56 GMT

    might as well play saha as a keeper batsman, move dhoni up the order and the batting will get stronger, Saha is better batsman than bunny and jadeja and good keeper so will make the combinations better

  • on July 24, 2014, 12:56 GMT

    hCurrently he is the best Wicket keeper Batsmen in the world

  • SarthBetgiri on July 24, 2014, 12:30 GMT

    Dhoni is good as keeper, may be facing difficulties on English soil. Often seen in England ball moves after passing batsman, which doesn't happen in subcontinent. Moreover Dhoni can't play on his batting credentials alone.

  • stumpedlloyd on July 24, 2014, 12:24 GMT

    Dhoni's wicket-keeping might have slacked off a bit, but his presence in this team, I think, is immeasurable. Just the fact that he ordered Ishant Sharma to change tactics against the bowler's wishes and then made sure he saw it through speaks volumes about his leadership, something his English counterpart is sorely lacking. Nothing also seems to faze Dhoni, which is a good characteristic to have for a captain.

  • on July 24, 2014, 11:54 GMT

    Don't agree with Syed Kirmani at all - M.S. Dhoni keeps much better than Dinesh Karthik & Parthiv Patel!! Technically Wriddhiman Saha is better than Dhoni, but Dhoni is more innovative & thoughtful, as he had demonstrated while keeping to Ravindra Jadeja in the very, very recently concluded game!!

  • TestisRealTest on July 24, 2014, 11:47 GMT

    Kudos to Team India for coming out victorious from what must have been a draining test match indeed! Without doubt Indian players outplayed the English in all departments of the game. Having said that, this young Indian outfit is still in nascent stages of growing into a formidable test side. Accurate slip catching and wicket keeping are key requirements in an arsenal of any test side that aims to reach the top. Rahul Dravid, Mark Waugh definitely added another dimension to their teams with their flawless catching skills.Team India needs to identify their slip and close in fielders and train hard in a planned manner to ensure they 'grab' all opportunities that fly their way and not let the games 'slip' away with sloppy catching - pun intended :)

  • CheerforUnderdogs on July 24, 2014, 11:35 GMT

    Agree with @ linguboy. We actually need Dhoni the leader more than Wicket-Keeper or Batsman in Tests. Its not easy to keep one's composure during 5 days especially when the team is on loosing spring (away tests) and motivate team to perform.

    Leave him alone with the technique that he feels comfortable with ie.e his own.

  • chin-music on July 24, 2014, 11:32 GMT

    In victory, failings often tend to get papered over - just like defeat shines a ruthless spotlight on the same failings, especially so with an over emotional & not very rational fan base like India's. That is precisely the case with Dhoni -- his keeping has been deteriorating for quite some time, but generally passes uncommented upon -- since his capataincy/batting are more glamorous topics for the fans. Truth is he has always had very unorthodox technique - both keeping & batting - & while he has succeeded in carrying it off till now, with advancing age his keeping in particular is going to fall away very fast.

  • on July 24, 2014, 11:29 GMT

    Dhoni's contribution to the team effort is more than as a wicket keeper. He continues to add value as the team captain. SO if his wicket keeping capabilities are deteriorationg, Iam sure he will be first person to give up for a first hand wicket keeper. So let's concentrate on the team performance and not nit pick

  • linguboy on July 24, 2014, 11:11 GMT

    @latecut_04 Your comparison is unfair. How can you compare 2 keepers who grew up differently in different conditions??? Gilchrist and Boucher kept wickets for Fast bowlers from their childhood whereas Dhoni kept wickets mostly for spinners in Ranji Trophy. Both of them openly admired Dhoni for his keeping to spinners in subcontinent. Both of them made some crucial mistakes while keeping wickets for spinners in SC. In India while growing up you never would have encountered ball moving past 1st slip or going over your head consistently. Different players from different conditions will have diff. methods which works for them fine. You don't need to take stunners to become effective my friend. Everyone can't score like Sehwag or Viv. There will be Kallis, Dravid like batsman who won't score runs at rapid pace but they will be effective. If you took 9/10 catches that comes your way you are an excellent keeper. Dhoni took 8/10 so he is a very good keeper and I am satisfied with that. pls pub

  • Shaamy82 on July 24, 2014, 11:03 GMT

    I understand, Dhoni's wicket keeping, in the last 2 test matches were not up to the standard, which he naturally has.. But we can not oblivious to the fact that Dhoni is the best ever Weeket keeping batsman, India has ever produced.. Arguably, he is the best in the business of captaining an international team..He has brought countless laurels for the country in his career & he will , for sure, continue this for quite some time too. Likes of Kirmani & Farooq engineer are counted as just as one of the wicket keepers for india, out of all those players in the history..

  • switchmitch on July 24, 2014, 11:03 GMT

    @Jamie Moneghan : England got very lucky in the last test to get into that strong position before self destructing. Other teams like SA, NZ would (have) actually used the conditions better in the first morning, had they been in the same position. I think England will lose the series because they are shocking, no matter who the opposition is at the moment. Dhoni will not be worried about a whitewash down under but England for sure will be having nightmares about the next Ashes series.

  • on July 24, 2014, 10:58 GMT

    Dont worry, Dhoni will retire in 2016 as he will complete his 100 tests. Till date he has played 85 tests so 3 tests in this series+3 vs west indies in India+4 vs australia in india, where he will finished with 95 tests, if he wants to go with 100 tests he will lay series vs SA and SL in India in 2015-16 and will like to retire on high.

  • linguboy on July 24, 2014, 10:58 GMT

    Thank you Kirwani for your time and kind words. But Dhoni was, is, will be Dhoni only. He is UNORTHODOX. You don't develop players like him in schools or camps. He is comfortable doing it for almost 7 years in test cricket. So we should all just let him be. And talking of byes its almost springs to mind of the balls that spinners bowled that shooted along the ground. I remember 15 runs scored by this way. And add Lord's slope to that it will always look ugly. Don't expect technical things from him. It doesn't look pretty but it is effective. Chanderpaul don't look pretty but he scores runs which is effective.

  • cricketfeaver on July 24, 2014, 10:50 GMT

    That's the problem in the democratic country like india, every one have the a point to put even if its valid or not... more than technique things like attitude, presence of mind play and never die attitude win matches in present cricket.. Always its easy to talk about siting in commentary, but tough handling them in middle

  • on July 24, 2014, 10:41 GMT

    Dhoni's ball collecting techniques are aberrant compared to keepers of international level.The way Kirmani mentioned,yes,that's how he takes the should height balls which is blunder error for even a club level keeper.But he has been doing this throughout his career and God knows how has managed to be so successful. Only Dhoni can do that.Most of the modern day keepers collect throws infront of the stumps and then try to flick the ball back which really annoys me.They should stick to the old method which has been proven to be much more effective.

  • latecut_04 on July 24, 2014, 10:37 GMT

    Dhoni has never been a 'great' keeper especially in test matches.He used to miss a couple of chances here and there almost always.He couldntstand up to the pace of Praveen Kumar during 2011 tour which was very poor.His leg side collection has always been suspect and technically he cant be counted among great keeprs.All these guys who come up with stats like xx no:of catches are living in fools' paradise.How many match turning stunners has he taken like Gilly or Boucher.His batting also has issues outside Asia.Hes no TestNo:6.when the team wins no one will notice all this.I am afraid he ma be exposed both infront and behind the stumps very and get a lot of flak.Right now hes lucky that hes pitted against a keeper who is poorer.He may not have this luxury always

  • Coolcapricorn on July 24, 2014, 10:36 GMT

    Yes, MSD's wicket-keeping has been poor - judging his performances even in the current Test series & so has the team's close catching. That opportunity given by Ballance should have been easily pouched & so should that one from Moeen Ali by either MSD or Kohli towards the close of play on the 4th day. I sense sometimes these close fielders seem to be either day-dreaming or are not that alert - so they miss a chance which may require quick reflexes in having to make a dive or they sometimes even miss a dolly catch like the one Kohli missed off McCullum in NZ that proved very costly unlike the ones missed at Lords.

  • parvinder7 on July 24, 2014, 10:34 GMT

    no kohli should not be made captain for tests. Pujara or gambhir should be made captain for tests. Dhoni should give up the captaincy for tests and prove his worth as a batsmen. Its his batting form and the ability to attack and sometimes defend as a captain. Zaheer got injured and look at india's fortunes change. New people new luck. Dhoni u have to understand luck changes when people who deserve to be in the test team are picked. Dhawan should be dropped for gambhir and binny depending on how the pitch looks like.

  • on July 24, 2014, 10:29 GMT

    Dhoni get very lucky in that last test as England were in a strong position to chase it down but they self destructed , other teams like Aus, SA , NZ would of chased it down comfortably had they been in the same position. I think India will win the series purely because this England team is shocking at best so that should give Dhoni some relief for now , but if they were to get whitewashed again in Australia later in the year then it could be curtains for him as Australia are much stronger than the last 4-0 in OZ so it could happen.

  • on July 24, 2014, 10:22 GMT

    As evryone sugesting to d plyrs to play thr natural game thn wts d problm people hv wid Mr. Dhoni? He has his own style of plying crkt. India has a big list of greatest players but dhoni has set a milstine with his ordrny technique. He achived wt all people dreams. So i dont think dhoni shld work on his batting or wk techniques. He is unique cricktr with grt mindset. That is his natural technique and he shld continue with it.

  • sonikrana on July 24, 2014, 10:18 GMT

    I think its a fari suggetion from a very talented Wicket Keepr, Dhoni has improve a lot in wicket keeping since he has joined Indian team, and still need some improvement keeping also an art and it will only improve as long as you learn, might be dhone have more scalps if would have worked in the mentioned shortcomings, I hope he will work on it and defiitely improve and show results. I appriciate kirmani for such a good tips.

  • on July 24, 2014, 10:07 GMT

    I think this is being a bit too critical of the keeper. Yes the byes were there but byes are not always the keepers fault. Wayward bowling too can contribute to this. Also a keeper with a predominantly off side field is bound to start away from the off stump. Hence bad bowling leads to byes. However like his batting his keeping is not classical with over dependence on reflexes anticipation and guile. However some of the most game changing dismissals are by guile rather than traditional keeping. So dhoni needs just to concentrate more.

  • pritamdas_circ on July 24, 2014, 10:05 GMT

    MS dhoni in 85* TEST matches as Wicket-keeper:::: catches taken 235 (8th most), Stumpings made 37 (4th most), Dismissals made 272 (5th most)...... Criticising Dhoni for WK is more or less like criticising Jonty Rhodes for fielding :D :D

  • on July 24, 2014, 9:58 GMT

    @sunny i think u r ryt :p ....n lords pitch can make many great keeper luks ugly..take matt prior

  • ladycricfan on July 24, 2014, 9:46 GMT

    Kirmani is India's 2nd most successful wicket keeper batsman. Dhoni is the best Indian WK batsman. Dhoni played 3 fewer matches (85) than Kirmani(88) but Dhoni had more dismissals and scored more runs. Dhoni is not going to change from what comes naturally to him. But when a wk give tips to other wk you can always learn and improve.

  • on July 24, 2014, 9:46 GMT

    Have Faith in MS bhai.....Kohli is still not up there in terms of maturity and performance to be given the task of captaincy... Dhoni is the right man at the job right now...

  • DingDong420 on July 24, 2014, 9:46 GMT

    increase in pace and bounce doesn't just affect batsmen

  • on July 24, 2014, 9:40 GMT

    kohli is not as good captain as MSD....MSD binds the team together and he knows how to get 100% from individual...as far as kohli he is short tempare and we all know what happen in asia cup when kohli was captain...fancis mel I think u r english supporter thats why u oppose him

  • Jaykumar18 on July 24, 2014, 9:37 GMT

    Kind of funny to see Dhoni taking 235 catches in Test which are way more than Kirmani and 37 stumpings almost the same number of stumpings of Karmani's entire career. But yeah, an advice from the past players is always good.

  • on July 24, 2014, 9:36 GMT

    yeah drop dhoni bcci. sanju Samson please. drop anyone who fail to perform. let them prepare for the bcci's clT20.

  • prasanna on July 24, 2014, 9:28 GMT

    The fact is Dhoni took catches behind the stumps and despite all said about technique, he fought out in the middle on the 4th day when India was in a precarious position and scored a 50 in the first test as well. Add to that the splendid captaincy on the final day of the second test. All is good with Dhoni overall.

  • on July 24, 2014, 9:21 GMT

    A point made by Nasser Husein stuck with me. He asked will England miss Cook's accumen as a Captain if he is dropped? The answer is No. He said Cook should ask what value is he adding as a Captain. The very same applies to Dhoni. India needs to blood Kohli as a Captain and ask him to be an aggressive Captain.

  • on July 24, 2014, 9:15 GMT

    MSD's problem is he cannot get a place in the side as a batsmen so he cannot give up the gloves. India can do much better in overseas Tests if they can play Wridhiman Saha or Naman Ojha (3 tons in 3 innings in Australia) as they have much solid batting technique, especially Saha who is top notch old school specialist keeper batsmen. Its pointless talking about it though as MSD has enough clout in Indian Cricket to decide his own future. He will give up Test Cricket completely in a couple of years as soon as voices for Virat Kohli's elevation to Captaincy starts growing louder. Dhoni knows he aint gonna set many records at Test level as a batsmen. There have been many Test matches we have lost due to his dour defensive captaincy and inept batting but the world is blinded by the force that is MSD.

  • on July 24, 2014, 9:06 GMT

    Could be another case of over analysis. Dhoni's keeping , especially to spinners is without parallel. His stumpings are a testimony to the fact. He may not be spectacular, but he is effective. Plus considering the fact that he is also the captain, a key batsman in tests and the no.1 batsman (arguably India's greatest ODI batsman) for the team in ODIs, he is doing a commendable job.

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  • on July 24, 2014, 9:06 GMT

    Could be another case of over analysis. Dhoni's keeping , especially to spinners is without parallel. His stumpings are a testimony to the fact. He may not be spectacular, but he is effective. Plus considering the fact that he is also the captain, a key batsman in tests and the no.1 batsman (arguably India's greatest ODI batsman) for the team in ODIs, he is doing a commendable job.

  • on July 24, 2014, 9:15 GMT

    MSD's problem is he cannot get a place in the side as a batsmen so he cannot give up the gloves. India can do much better in overseas Tests if they can play Wridhiman Saha or Naman Ojha (3 tons in 3 innings in Australia) as they have much solid batting technique, especially Saha who is top notch old school specialist keeper batsmen. Its pointless talking about it though as MSD has enough clout in Indian Cricket to decide his own future. He will give up Test Cricket completely in a couple of years as soon as voices for Virat Kohli's elevation to Captaincy starts growing louder. Dhoni knows he aint gonna set many records at Test level as a batsmen. There have been many Test matches we have lost due to his dour defensive captaincy and inept batting but the world is blinded by the force that is MSD.

  • on July 24, 2014, 9:21 GMT

    A point made by Nasser Husein stuck with me. He asked will England miss Cook's accumen as a Captain if he is dropped? The answer is No. He said Cook should ask what value is he adding as a Captain. The very same applies to Dhoni. India needs to blood Kohli as a Captain and ask him to be an aggressive Captain.

  • prasanna on July 24, 2014, 9:28 GMT

    The fact is Dhoni took catches behind the stumps and despite all said about technique, he fought out in the middle on the 4th day when India was in a precarious position and scored a 50 in the first test as well. Add to that the splendid captaincy on the final day of the second test. All is good with Dhoni overall.

  • on July 24, 2014, 9:36 GMT

    yeah drop dhoni bcci. sanju Samson please. drop anyone who fail to perform. let them prepare for the bcci's clT20.

  • Jaykumar18 on July 24, 2014, 9:37 GMT

    Kind of funny to see Dhoni taking 235 catches in Test which are way more than Kirmani and 37 stumpings almost the same number of stumpings of Karmani's entire career. But yeah, an advice from the past players is always good.

  • on July 24, 2014, 9:40 GMT

    kohli is not as good captain as MSD....MSD binds the team together and he knows how to get 100% from individual...as far as kohli he is short tempare and we all know what happen in asia cup when kohli was captain...fancis mel I think u r english supporter thats why u oppose him

  • DingDong420 on July 24, 2014, 9:46 GMT

    increase in pace and bounce doesn't just affect batsmen

  • on July 24, 2014, 9:46 GMT

    Have Faith in MS bhai.....Kohli is still not up there in terms of maturity and performance to be given the task of captaincy... Dhoni is the right man at the job right now...

  • ladycricfan on July 24, 2014, 9:46 GMT

    Kirmani is India's 2nd most successful wicket keeper batsman. Dhoni is the best Indian WK batsman. Dhoni played 3 fewer matches (85) than Kirmani(88) but Dhoni had more dismissals and scored more runs. Dhoni is not going to change from what comes naturally to him. But when a wk give tips to other wk you can always learn and improve.