England v India, 5th Investec Test, The Oval August 14, 2014

More questions than answers for India

MS Dhoni maintains that India have made progress in England and will continue to focus on processes rather than results. But they might ask 'Did we give it our all?' at the end of the Oval Test
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'Process more important than result' - Dhoni

The Oval on a sunny day can be a welcoming place to be. There is a general air of friendliness around. It seems within reach of travellers. Unlike Lord's, its brow is not high. You can enter from any gate. It used to be a quick pitch but has now become slow. Often two spinners can play here. There is no side ground so the practice pitches are on the main square, which means abrasiveness and reverse swing. Not when it rains, though. It can be cold, dank, and prompt people to call it ugly.

It rained when India arrived for their pre-Test training. Rain has not been India's friend on this trip. It has brought India reminders of missed opportunities. After Old Trafford, which India lost in three days, it rained for a day and a half, telling them if they had batted for another hour, they might well have saved the match. Here, India had three possible days of training before the Oval Test. The team missed one together as a unit, MS Dhoni stayed away from the second. He went to a firing range instead. And it rained the only time India's No. 6 might have got to bat before the Test.

The Oval usually hosts the last Test of a series, bringing a general wistfulness which is compounded on rainy days. If you are trailing after having led in the series, like India are, you tend to look back more than ahead. Did we give it our all? Did we get desperate enough? Did we overstep any lines? Did we under-step any? What else could have we done? You don't want to leave with a feeling you could have done things differently.

Dhoni is not likely to think about all that. He says he likes to stay in the moment. Being able to draw a Test each in South Africa and New Zealand, he says, was a step in the right direction. A five-match series is foreign territory for every player in this team, so it is natural that that one win at Lord's might be considered another step in the right direction. Even after Old Trafford he said he was happy with the team's progress. Hopefully that is just for a feel-good fa├žade for the public. For there have been problems of technique, of temperament, and of strategy that have led to this stage.

Not enough for desperation, says Dhoni. The openers are going to remain even though India have yet to add 50 for the first wicket since the start of South Africa tour late last year. "We will have to see whether that [extra] middle-order batsman has really contributed," Dhoni said. "We have played quite a few matches with five bowlers, which means he hasn't got much opportunity so all of a sudden in a big game to come with an application like that will have its own consequences.

"The big factor in not having big opening partnerships is that you expose the No. 3 batsman, irrespective of whether No. 1 or 2 gets out. And [Cheteshwar] Pujara has to face that pressure. He is always batting close to the third, fourth or fifth over, so he gets more pressure. But he is also getting more chances of facing the challenges in such conditions so it will only improve him."

The process continues to remain more important than results. "It's never that the result is more important than the process," Dhoni said. "It is always the process that will be the key because it puts less pressure on the team. As you said, rightly, it is an important Test match but at the same time still it is the breaking up of the sessions that matters because that will give us an advantage. So we will still be looking more into the process than the result."

India have chosen to trust what they have been doing over the Investec series. They will be pleased Ishant Sharma is fit. Bhuvneshwar Kumar, though, has been bowled into the ground. Stuart Binny could come in amid talks of a damp pitch, but India surely have to question this policy of playing a bits-and-pieces player. In three of the four Tests, India have gone in with five "bowlers" but at least one of them has always been neglected.

It was a bold move, but bits-and-pieces is not working. Yet, either Binny or Ravindra Jadeja are all set to play. An outsider might legitimately ask the question: do they care enough to revisit and reassess their plans and their openers, or put in extra hard work in the nets, or is one Test win - a significant improvement on previous tours - satisfying enough for them?

As India waited in vain for the rain to stop - some of them had a hit in the indoor nets - Ramesh Mane, their masseur and general good old man in the team, was seen sticking images of gods and chants in the dressing room. He always does that, and also plays devotional music before the start of matches. There is not much in his hands, though, apart from the massages. Hopefully the rest of the team, who have a more direct bearing on the result, are not thinking like him.

Sidharth Monga is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • Alexk400 on August 15, 2014, 10:58 GMT

    When you run out of answer , what will you say ? Process is important. If there is a scapegoat , what will you say? He did it. Last trip , it was senior's fault. This time he can't hide anywhere , all players are his favourites and handpicked. So dhoni will say lets do process hope we get lucky. India will lose this test again. No question in my mind. Have fun all. Dhoni should retire from TEST after this series. Mainly because he has nothing to offer to a TEST side. His contribution is next to nothing. Even players are not get inspired because he does nothing. If you keep on preaching and you do not produce people will start listening to him. He is still KING of ODI game though.

  • on August 15, 2014, 10:25 GMT

    no rohit sharma in 11...shocked !!!

  • Indian_1982 on August 15, 2014, 9:11 GMT

    Its disgusting to hear this word "PROCESS" from Dhoni time and again. Wonder whether our team follows the same "PROCESS" every single time despite repeated failures, or whether it simply fails irrespective of the "PROCESS" it follows. The "PROCESS" of implementing the "PROCESS" is definitely not working for Team India. I wish Dhoni/Fletcher's system could "PROCESS" this piece of data accurately sooner rather than later.

  • Mike_Tyson on August 15, 2014, 8:16 GMT

    @Nutcutlet - Spot on comment, however the Indian teamatleast owes it to their fans to show a bit of fight. Something that has been missing I would say on all overseas tours since 2011.

    @landl47 - Again spot on comment and again I would say as abve the Indian side owe their fans bit of fight. Eng are a better team no doubt, however the India side coame over with some very talented young players who have all got starts in this series yet hardly any have gone on to make the big score and give their fans something to cheer about. Their performance in the last test was shocking and there is no excuse for it. Ofcourse this si not Englands prolem however lookingat it from an Indian view, surely they can show a bit of fight?

  • sammysam on August 15, 2014, 7:40 GMT

    The process continues to remain more important than results. The only process MSD knows is how to lose overseas test matches. No amount of wins at home can cover their dismal displays abroad. For MSD to say The process continues to remain more important than results proves he is not capable of being a test captain let alone a test player. A more hungry captain will be all about the results. Has anyone told MSD that If you go for the right results the processes will take care of themselves.

  • on August 15, 2014, 7:13 GMT

    Three case-lets on PROCESS:

    1. A student followed all the processes of studying, as prescribed by his teachers. But failed the exams. He just didn't have the stuff!

    2. A teenager followed all the processes of wooing a girl. But she din't show any response. He wasn't good enough for her.

    3. A surgeon came out of the operation theater and announced quite clinically, "The operation was successful, but the patient died".

    As a management teacher, I had followed the case method of learning propagated by my Alma Mater HBS, quite successfully for several decades. I suggest Dhoni & Fletcher may try to use these nano case-lets for discussion in their team meetings. Best of luck. :-)

  • satishsasikumar on August 15, 2014, 7:07 GMT

    Wrong selection of players for different conditions, under-utilization of certain players under specific conditions/sessions of game, poor captaincy, batting and fielding..could any team win with glaring problems! I doubt!

  • Nutcutlet on August 15, 2014, 6:56 GMT

    Does anyone really take MSD's public utterances seriously? He comes out with any old guff to satisfy the media who - unbelievably and collectively - do take him at his word. He truly knows that India have scarcely turned up (exc. at Lord's when England gifted the game to India). This was India's big chance to get a very rare series win outside India (after all, Sri Lanka had managed it!). Thus, his statement after Old Trafford that he was happy with the team's progress must be regarded as disingenuous. It is disappointing, but it is honest in one respect: its subtext. That reads (for those who missed it): I don't much care about TC and my side isn't much committed either. We like short format cricket where we get paid extremely well, especially for the IPL. If you expect me to say anything critical about my team (apart from in the most general & gentle terms) then you're not going to get it. Our masters (the BCCI) could care less either. That's why I'm captain. Goodnight. Pls publish.

  • on August 15, 2014, 6:55 GMT

    Where is Naman Ojha ? Dhoni is ruining other Wicketkeepers Career

  • on August 15, 2014, 6:54 GMT

    Where is Naman Ojha ? Dhoni is ruining other Wicketkeepers Career

  • Alexk400 on August 15, 2014, 10:58 GMT

    When you run out of answer , what will you say ? Process is important. If there is a scapegoat , what will you say? He did it. Last trip , it was senior's fault. This time he can't hide anywhere , all players are his favourites and handpicked. So dhoni will say lets do process hope we get lucky. India will lose this test again. No question in my mind. Have fun all. Dhoni should retire from TEST after this series. Mainly because he has nothing to offer to a TEST side. His contribution is next to nothing. Even players are not get inspired because he does nothing. If you keep on preaching and you do not produce people will start listening to him. He is still KING of ODI game though.

  • on August 15, 2014, 10:25 GMT

    no rohit sharma in 11...shocked !!!

  • Indian_1982 on August 15, 2014, 9:11 GMT

    Its disgusting to hear this word "PROCESS" from Dhoni time and again. Wonder whether our team follows the same "PROCESS" every single time despite repeated failures, or whether it simply fails irrespective of the "PROCESS" it follows. The "PROCESS" of implementing the "PROCESS" is definitely not working for Team India. I wish Dhoni/Fletcher's system could "PROCESS" this piece of data accurately sooner rather than later.

  • Mike_Tyson on August 15, 2014, 8:16 GMT

    @Nutcutlet - Spot on comment, however the Indian teamatleast owes it to their fans to show a bit of fight. Something that has been missing I would say on all overseas tours since 2011.

    @landl47 - Again spot on comment and again I would say as abve the Indian side owe their fans bit of fight. Eng are a better team no doubt, however the India side coame over with some very talented young players who have all got starts in this series yet hardly any have gone on to make the big score and give their fans something to cheer about. Their performance in the last test was shocking and there is no excuse for it. Ofcourse this si not Englands prolem however lookingat it from an Indian view, surely they can show a bit of fight?

  • sammysam on August 15, 2014, 7:40 GMT

    The process continues to remain more important than results. The only process MSD knows is how to lose overseas test matches. No amount of wins at home can cover their dismal displays abroad. For MSD to say The process continues to remain more important than results proves he is not capable of being a test captain let alone a test player. A more hungry captain will be all about the results. Has anyone told MSD that If you go for the right results the processes will take care of themselves.

  • on August 15, 2014, 7:13 GMT

    Three case-lets on PROCESS:

    1. A student followed all the processes of studying, as prescribed by his teachers. But failed the exams. He just didn't have the stuff!

    2. A teenager followed all the processes of wooing a girl. But she din't show any response. He wasn't good enough for her.

    3. A surgeon came out of the operation theater and announced quite clinically, "The operation was successful, but the patient died".

    As a management teacher, I had followed the case method of learning propagated by my Alma Mater HBS, quite successfully for several decades. I suggest Dhoni & Fletcher may try to use these nano case-lets for discussion in their team meetings. Best of luck. :-)

  • satishsasikumar on August 15, 2014, 7:07 GMT

    Wrong selection of players for different conditions, under-utilization of certain players under specific conditions/sessions of game, poor captaincy, batting and fielding..could any team win with glaring problems! I doubt!

  • Nutcutlet on August 15, 2014, 6:56 GMT

    Does anyone really take MSD's public utterances seriously? He comes out with any old guff to satisfy the media who - unbelievably and collectively - do take him at his word. He truly knows that India have scarcely turned up (exc. at Lord's when England gifted the game to India). This was India's big chance to get a very rare series win outside India (after all, Sri Lanka had managed it!). Thus, his statement after Old Trafford that he was happy with the team's progress must be regarded as disingenuous. It is disappointing, but it is honest in one respect: its subtext. That reads (for those who missed it): I don't much care about TC and my side isn't much committed either. We like short format cricket where we get paid extremely well, especially for the IPL. If you expect me to say anything critical about my team (apart from in the most general & gentle terms) then you're not going to get it. Our masters (the BCCI) could care less either. That's why I'm captain. Goodnight. Pls publish.

  • on August 15, 2014, 6:55 GMT

    Where is Naman Ojha ? Dhoni is ruining other Wicketkeepers Career

  • on August 15, 2014, 6:54 GMT

    Where is Naman Ojha ? Dhoni is ruining other Wicketkeepers Career

  • crikhardcore on August 15, 2014, 6:52 GMT

    After one test match it seems all of India's problem lies in their batting or captaincy.Yes both were pathetic in the last two matches.But the main reason why India are so abysmal overseas is their fast bowling department.Among the test playing nations I'd say only only Bangladesh and Zimbabwe have poorer attacks than India.And the cupboard seems empty.And test matches in these parts are decided in terms of which fast bowling unit bowls better.That is why whenever the Indian seamers out bowl the opposition seamers it will remain a surprise and mostly just a one off(like in Lords).

  • duralsumo on August 15, 2014, 6:39 GMT

    Many of you who have read my rants previously would know I am a believer in the old style tours with tour matches. I am now recognising that administrators are trying cram as much cricket as possible in the shortest possible time. However if tours could be extended by one or two weeks to schedule tour matches between blocks of tests it would at least allow the touring team a chance to regroup. It is evident that once Australia gained the impetus against England last year and now that England is doing the same to India this year the touring team has no chance to regroup and the series will continue to slip away. The same happened when India last toured Australia and vice versa when Australia toured India last year. One or two more weeks administrators and you might avoid one sided series. Food for thought????

  • on August 15, 2014, 6:32 GMT

    No high expectations after the drubbing. It is a question of how long they would last in this test match. At least they should attack Moeen Ali and keep him out of contention.

  • on August 15, 2014, 6:27 GMT

    Three legendary professors of Wharton School / Pennsylvania University ( Cyert, March & Simon) had in the past done phenomenal research on decision making processes. A very small part of their humongous and Nobel winning findings says, there are two types of decision makers: SATISFICING & MAXIMIZING. Dhoni & Co belong to the former; one win at Lords satisfies them.

  • gopalgopi on August 15, 2014, 6:05 GMT

    We indians always over react for everything...Till the 2nd test everyone told England is in tatters and cook must give up the captaincy and he must be dropped...After 2 tests everyone says drop dhoni drop jadeja drop dhawan drop ("Drop all if you can").... Everyone must remember still series is not over.....It is (2-1) with a match to go if India wins the series will be level.It will be a huge thing if india pull this off with this young batters and relatively inexperienced bowling attack... Go India do it ....hopefulll to have great match....

  • on August 15, 2014, 5:49 GMT

    It is very clear that our players do not have enough experience playing in fast bouncy pitches. It gets further complicated with rain and cloudy weather. The real question is how BCCI is going to get them this experience. Unless this is done the story will be the same whenever India plays in England, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa possibly in West Indies also. I wonder why the Cricket Pundits do not recognize this point and take appropriate action.

  • on August 15, 2014, 5:27 GMT

    Both Gambhir and Dhawan should not play. Pujara should open. Any how he is coming in after 2-3 overs. Every batsman then will move one slot up. This way Rohit can also play.

  • on August 15, 2014, 5:10 GMT

    Both Gambhir and Dhawan should not play. Pujara should open. Any how he is coming in after 2-3 overs. Every batsman then will move one slot up. This way Rohit can also play.

  • Anoop79 on August 15, 2014, 4:31 GMT

    Can someone please tell me why Ishwar Pandey is not playing? Is he in England only as a tourist? As for the openers, both Gautam Gambhir and Shikhar Dhawan do not have the technique to open. Rather it would have been good to invest in a youngster like Karun Nair or Jiwanjot Singh to open the innings with Murali Vijay. If the openers can put up 100 runs partnership at the oval, the game will definitely change. The key reasons for our failure in this series is simple 1) Batting collapse each time: openers not putting up a partnership for the others to come in and flourish. 2) Not having the bowling aresenal to take 20 wickets. Though Pankaj Singh is a good bowler, the bitter truth is that he is not world class bowler and he will not run through any international team, definitely not England. 4) Our slip fielding has to be one of the worst in the world. Catches win matches. In our case, we hardly take any. Still we can turn it around if the team believes that i can. But does it believe?

  • landl47 on August 15, 2014, 2:44 GMT

    Here's a possibility that no-one seems to be mentioning. England won the 2011 test series 4-0, the 2012 series in India 2-1 and are leading this series 2-1, That's 8-2 with 2 draws.

    Is it possible that England is simply a better test side than India? If so, all the process or changing of players in the world isn't going to help.

    Indian fans wouldn't hesitate to say (rightly) that India is a better ODI side than England. It's beginning to look very much as though in tests the boot is on the other foot.

  • on August 15, 2014, 2:08 GMT

    I have always felt that most of us Indian fans over react to everythin. Which is why I try to refrain from commenting on these forums. But I really feel Dhoni has lost the plot completely. Jadeja is NOT A test player. I understand him playing tests on flat wickets in India but playing him in England/SA/Aus is insanity. And don't even get me started on Binny. We do not have an all rounder. Simple as that. So how about we go with 5 batsmen, 5 real bowlers and Mr. Process??

  • ccrriicc on August 15, 2014, 2:03 GMT

    Here is the eleven if India really means to do something about not loosing the series: Drop Ghambir: Pujara and Vijay, Rahane, Kohli,, Rohit, Dhoni, Ashwin, Bhuneswhwar, Ishant, Pandey, Aaron.

  • SanjivAwesome on August 15, 2014, 2:01 GMT

    If "process is more important than results" then we can assess Dhoni's comments against our observation of his process. Q. How robust is the process? Nicking outside off stump, dropping catches in slip cauldron, spraying bowling lengths, allowing attention to meander during long sessions, placing fielders in strange positions given bowling lengths, switching to defensive field settings after a few boundaries, selecting under-performing players on past form, disregarding innovation by suppressing bench strength ... I think Dhoni does not perform well on the "process" standard either.

  • vinosingam on August 15, 2014, 1:58 GMT

    India made a good process- tats one of d best jokes, we ve gone from bad to worse, we have the talent , but our ego makes us play rash shots, in quest of quick runs

    Dhoni's faith in jaddu , rohit s good, but why not the same faith is shown on our seniors like sehwag , yuvraj who are proven match winners

  • on August 15, 2014, 1:33 GMT

    If they are thinking of playing Binny,God save them.He won't bowl more than 15 overs.Jadeja might be economical,still won't get wickets.Since Eng has more left handers,Ashwin should get wickets.But he doesn't knows how to get them.So,it leaves 3 pacers to take 20 wickets,which is impossiible.You need 4 proper pacers with Ashwin.Ashwin bats,scores and looks more confident than the whole top order.So Bowlers-Bhuvi,Aaron are confirm.Pick 2 between Ishant,Shami and Ishwar.

  • glen1 on August 15, 2014, 1:27 GMT

    'Process more important than the result', this is straight from the ancient scriptures. But surely, that was meant for human interactions, decisions and just approaches. What is this guy Dhoni thinking about? Man, wake up, this is a sport where the whole country is invested. It does not need your preaching; act or leave the place for someone, anyone for that matter. Selection committee take note of this preaching.

  • ShriNavaratnam on August 15, 2014, 1:03 GMT

    The question of whether India will be satisfied with one win - a better outcome than their recent past - is laughable given the abject performance in the next two tests. It is thinking like this and the misplaced "process-is-bigger-than-results" attitude that separates side like India and those tough-minded, results-focused teams like Australia. If Clarke ever said that the process is more important than the results after a good shellacking from an opposing team he will be roasted by the media and public. But, of course Clarke and the Aussies know what is important and how to bounce back from hard times. India needs a reality check, especially Dhoni.

  • kalyanbk on August 15, 2014, 0:29 GMT

    During the Ganguly era, there was a concerted effort led by the team management that placed emphasis on winning away from home. The captain did not hesitate to try attacking Match winners and backing them. Sehwag, Yuvraj, Harbhajan come to mind. India's loss is that these cricketers collectively lost form after Ganguly's departure. Dhoni needs to similarly back attacking match winners. These are Umesh Yadav, Praveen Kumar, Pragyan Ojha, Karn Sharma with the ball and Ashwin as batting all rounder. Sehwag must play till World Cup 2015. Try Manoj Tiwari, Naman Ojha and Robin Uthappa in the batting.

  • Redbacks_Bite on August 15, 2014, 0:12 GMT

    "'Process more important than result' - Dhoni". really? Makes no sense really. The process explained by Dhoni is what being used to groom young talent. And from that groomed talent pool, a country picks top 11 in the internatonal team. The process at the top (International) level should be to measure performance of each of the players, assess their strngth and weaknesses and how it fits against oppositions. Based on that you pick the best eleven for each game and target a win every time. I am sorry but the international level is not to groom a cricketer and Indian captain got his 'process' entirely wrong

  • D-Ascendant on August 15, 2014, 0:08 GMT

    @ SpaMaster : Completely agree with you on Mr. Monga. His clunky, confused writing is really beginning to get on the nerves -- how can he produce so many words without saying anything at all? To think this is the same Cricinfo that gave us writers like Vasu, Vaidyanathan, Bhattacharya, Bhatia etc.

  • dp19668 on August 15, 2014, 0:06 GMT

    He just expert in replying to media with cool nature. These two loss does not bother him then he does not care about for Indian Cricket as captain.

  • wide_gully on August 14, 2014, 20:55 GMT

    Having seen Dhoni play over the years, I have always got the impression that he is highly results-oriented - someone who is looking to win at all times. But reading this article tells me that all his limited-over wins and laurels have probably simply fallen in his lap, and came more by fluke than design. Dhoni should be careful in making such statements as he could also be influencing the younger players to think that results are not important as long you have followed your plan and done your bit. Ask Steve Waugh, Ponting or Smith, and they will tell you it is all about constantly putting pressure through strategy and thinking the other team out of the match. The process is good only if it yields results.

  • Lahori_Munde on August 14, 2014, 20:49 GMT

    "'Process more important than result" - Dhoni" What process is he referring to? When India was being hammered in Australia couple yrs ago, he said the same thing. This is an international cricket-If you can't deliver the result what's that process good for?

  • on August 14, 2014, 20:33 GMT

    Come on guys, dis dude is delusional!!

  • ItHappensOnlyInIndia on August 14, 2014, 20:29 GMT

    What is a process? Does he even understand the meaning of anything he says? Or just picked up from some discussion somewhere and keeps blabbering the same thing every time.

    What process is he referring to? To not able to bat for a total of 90 overs in a test match? Surrender easily? finish a test match in 3 days and shamelessly say we have 2 extra days off...Always go in with a defensive mindset? No clear strategy on team selection? No lessons learned from 8-0 defeat? Continue to be pathetic and miserable outside the subcontinent? Break in one session instead of breaking the session?

    No shame in losing but the way they lost in Old Trafford and still no consequences to face. It happens only in India.

  • on August 14, 2014, 20:08 GMT

    Send in Ramesh Mane to open the batting, bowling and make him the captain of the team. This article is a waste of time. Yank it.

  • Idie on August 14, 2014, 19:30 GMT

    I guess India needs to send 3-4 of their openers & a couple of middle order batsmen to Aus immediately after this series so that they can learn how to play there in bouncy, swinging conditions - probably "arrange" playing for local sides / states there. Similarly bowlers need to go to SA or Eng or Aus to train with local foreign coaches with local boys; ensure that they really start from the basics, getting rid of their star status/tags.

  • whirlaway on August 14, 2014, 19:29 GMT

    Dhoni says: "... at at the same time still it is the breaking up of the sessions that matters because that will give us an advantage."

    What?! If he really had done what he says, he would have tried to play out the post-Tea session on Day 3. Everyone knew that of the next 12 hours in the match, the first 6 were surely going to be lost to rain, and the next 3-4 hours (or even all 6) were possibly going to be lost as well.

    And yet, the same Dhoni that talks about taking it one session at a time, threw away his wicket as if there's no tomorrow!

    I think it is time to replace this guy as captain, possibly even drop him from the Test team altogether. But I think BCCI will wait for the rout in Australia and WC2015 before they take that step! :-((

  • perl57 on August 14, 2014, 19:27 GMT

    To speak the truth, India is not interested in tests. So at least play less tests. What is the point of playing 5 tests in England When Oz and NZ will be lively pitches and not swinging. MSD had only once thought proactively and shrewdly and that was in ICC T20 World cup 2007. Rest of the times, he was plain unimaginative captain. But before we can jump on to the band wagon of making MSD resign, let us ask, does Virat have it in him to lead positively? I feel no one in this indian team has it.

  • Idie on August 14, 2014, 19:26 GMT

    Process is more important is suddenly the new mantra for Dhoni. I guess he is running out of stuff to talk. And he is highlighting about taking each match session wise; wasn't that how test cricketers have always looked at test matches? What is new about it? Looks like he rates the teams performance based on chosen session when the team does well and not all the possible 15 session in the test match.

  • cric_usa on August 14, 2014, 19:19 GMT

    'Process more important than result'. Yeah, we have been hearing this mantra for the last 5 years or so Mr.Dhoni. I think its time for you to step aside and have some one else take over "the process".

  • SpaMaster on August 14, 2014, 19:06 GMT

    Yawnnn.. this is tiring. Monga is becoming more and more rhetorical. I don't know what he expects. Shall we drop Gambhir, Pujara, Kohli, Jadeja, Dhoni, Pankaj and everyone? Shall we chop and change all the time? It's not always the fault of the players in XI. It is also an indication of the cricket talent we have in the country, the administration and the following of the game. The results on cricket field is just a reflection of everything from grass-root to bad flowers at the top. Can we give the players the room to make mistakes? Let's not blame the playing XI for everything. Batsmen lose form, players panic as a team, people make wrong decisions, let's have some perspective..

  • on August 14, 2014, 18:56 GMT

    @Unmesh_cric: My sentiments exactly! The Indian cricket fan has had enough of "processes". If MSD is not interested in test cricket, let him say goodbye and concentrate on ODI's where he is good. I saw the Lord's test and was impressed with his captaincy. But since then things have been downhill. Let him not harp on processes. Let us have results!

  • Unmesh_cric on August 14, 2014, 18:38 GMT

    This "Process is more important than result" thing reminds me of Greg Chappell- Dravid era. This was Greg Chappell's philosophy. But I think Dhoni is taking it too far. Process being important does not mean it is okay to lose. Losses should still hurt. It is a sport, and winning/losing IS important. The process is important too; in the sense that you try to rectify the things you are doing wrong and try to WIN the next match. I am afraid if you take this "process is important" thing too far, it could result in laid-back attitude. A loss must hurt whether you did the process right or wrong.

  • on August 14, 2014, 18:18 GMT

    India should always go with 5 bowlers and make every batting spot count and be a privilege

    The 5 bowlers should be the ones with the best bowling strike rate.

    1 Fast bowler like Varun Aaron 2 Fast bowler like Umesh Yadav 3 Highest strike rate bowler like Bhuvaneshwar Kumar/or most experienced Fast Medium like Ishant Sharma 4. Off Spinner Ravichandran Aashwin 5. Leg Spinner Amit Mishra/Pragyan Ojha

    6. Wicket Keeper

    7. Batsman 3 down 8. Batsman 2 down 9. Batsman 1 down

    10. Opener 2 11. Opener 1

  • on August 14, 2014, 18:10 GMT

    Win the toss and bat, post a good total... That is what worked for England and with a little lady luck on the Indian side things could be different...

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  • on August 14, 2014, 18:10 GMT

    Win the toss and bat, post a good total... That is what worked for England and with a little lady luck on the Indian side things could be different...

  • on August 14, 2014, 18:18 GMT

    India should always go with 5 bowlers and make every batting spot count and be a privilege

    The 5 bowlers should be the ones with the best bowling strike rate.

    1 Fast bowler like Varun Aaron 2 Fast bowler like Umesh Yadav 3 Highest strike rate bowler like Bhuvaneshwar Kumar/or most experienced Fast Medium like Ishant Sharma 4. Off Spinner Ravichandran Aashwin 5. Leg Spinner Amit Mishra/Pragyan Ojha

    6. Wicket Keeper

    7. Batsman 3 down 8. Batsman 2 down 9. Batsman 1 down

    10. Opener 2 11. Opener 1

  • Unmesh_cric on August 14, 2014, 18:38 GMT

    This "Process is more important than result" thing reminds me of Greg Chappell- Dravid era. This was Greg Chappell's philosophy. But I think Dhoni is taking it too far. Process being important does not mean it is okay to lose. Losses should still hurt. It is a sport, and winning/losing IS important. The process is important too; in the sense that you try to rectify the things you are doing wrong and try to WIN the next match. I am afraid if you take this "process is important" thing too far, it could result in laid-back attitude. A loss must hurt whether you did the process right or wrong.

  • on August 14, 2014, 18:56 GMT

    @Unmesh_cric: My sentiments exactly! The Indian cricket fan has had enough of "processes". If MSD is not interested in test cricket, let him say goodbye and concentrate on ODI's where he is good. I saw the Lord's test and was impressed with his captaincy. But since then things have been downhill. Let him not harp on processes. Let us have results!

  • SpaMaster on August 14, 2014, 19:06 GMT

    Yawnnn.. this is tiring. Monga is becoming more and more rhetorical. I don't know what he expects. Shall we drop Gambhir, Pujara, Kohli, Jadeja, Dhoni, Pankaj and everyone? Shall we chop and change all the time? It's not always the fault of the players in XI. It is also an indication of the cricket talent we have in the country, the administration and the following of the game. The results on cricket field is just a reflection of everything from grass-root to bad flowers at the top. Can we give the players the room to make mistakes? Let's not blame the playing XI for everything. Batsmen lose form, players panic as a team, people make wrong decisions, let's have some perspective..

  • cric_usa on August 14, 2014, 19:19 GMT

    'Process more important than result'. Yeah, we have been hearing this mantra for the last 5 years or so Mr.Dhoni. I think its time for you to step aside and have some one else take over "the process".

  • Idie on August 14, 2014, 19:26 GMT

    Process is more important is suddenly the new mantra for Dhoni. I guess he is running out of stuff to talk. And he is highlighting about taking each match session wise; wasn't that how test cricketers have always looked at test matches? What is new about it? Looks like he rates the teams performance based on chosen session when the team does well and not all the possible 15 session in the test match.

  • perl57 on August 14, 2014, 19:27 GMT

    To speak the truth, India is not interested in tests. So at least play less tests. What is the point of playing 5 tests in England When Oz and NZ will be lively pitches and not swinging. MSD had only once thought proactively and shrewdly and that was in ICC T20 World cup 2007. Rest of the times, he was plain unimaginative captain. But before we can jump on to the band wagon of making MSD resign, let us ask, does Virat have it in him to lead positively? I feel no one in this indian team has it.

  • whirlaway on August 14, 2014, 19:29 GMT

    Dhoni says: "... at at the same time still it is the breaking up of the sessions that matters because that will give us an advantage."

    What?! If he really had done what he says, he would have tried to play out the post-Tea session on Day 3. Everyone knew that of the next 12 hours in the match, the first 6 were surely going to be lost to rain, and the next 3-4 hours (or even all 6) were possibly going to be lost as well.

    And yet, the same Dhoni that talks about taking it one session at a time, threw away his wicket as if there's no tomorrow!

    I think it is time to replace this guy as captain, possibly even drop him from the Test team altogether. But I think BCCI will wait for the rout in Australia and WC2015 before they take that step! :-((

  • Idie on August 14, 2014, 19:30 GMT

    I guess India needs to send 3-4 of their openers & a couple of middle order batsmen to Aus immediately after this series so that they can learn how to play there in bouncy, swinging conditions - probably "arrange" playing for local sides / states there. Similarly bowlers need to go to SA or Eng or Aus to train with local foreign coaches with local boys; ensure that they really start from the basics, getting rid of their star status/tags.