England v West Indies, 2nd Twenty20, The Oval September 25, 2011

West Indies stun England to level series

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West Indies 113 for 5 (Samuels 35*, Patel 2-22) beat England 88 (Mathurin 3-9) by 25 runs
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

Garey Mathurin, a previously unknown left-arm spinner from St Lucia, produced a remarkable spell of 3 for 9 in four overs as West Indies secured a shock 25-run victory in the second Twenty20 at The Oval. After being asked to bat first on a slow and low turner, they struggled to a total of 113 for 5 and looked set for a second heavy defeat in three days. But instead, they rallied supremely to bowl England out for 88 with more than three overs of their allocation to spare.

With England set to embark on a tour of India next week, and with the defence of their World Twenty20 crown taking place in Sri Lanka in 12 months' time, this was a match that will have caused a few jitters in the team thinktank. On the same pitch that proved receptive to spin in Friday's opening game, both teams stacked their side with slow bowlers, but it was England's new-look order that ultimately dealt with the conditions the worst.

England's innings began inauspiciously, as Mathurin's high action and appreciable turn gave Friday's matchwinner Alex Hales a strokeless start to his innings. He had managed just two runs from his first eight balls when Krishnar Santokie, another West Indian debutant, and this time one who hasn't played first-class cricket, bowled him with a beauty that nipped through his defences and into off stump.

Four balls later, Mathurin made his first big impression, as Craig Kieswetter - with two fours to his name - was so bamboozled by a slider that he stood his ground after being bowled, in the vain hope that the keeper had been the one to whip off the bails. Ravi Bopara was then spun out by a beauty in Mathurin's next over, and at 26 for 3 at the end of the Powerplay, the match was exquisitely in the balance.

Ben Stokes did his utmost to change the dynamic of the innings, as he greeted Devendra Bishoo with the most violent assault of the night - a six and two fours in the space of a first over that went for 17, but at the other end, Mathurin twirled away without anything being allowed to break his zone. Jonny Bairstow, the hero of the Cardiff ODI, might have been tempted to block out the final four balls of his spell, but instead he dropped to his knees for a sweep, and was bowled for 4.

Stokes continued to provide England with a boundary-finding option, but as had been the case in the West Indian innings, working the singles proved to be a problem, not least when the less-than-fleet-footed Samit Patel entered the fray. He was run out by a direct hit from gully as he belatedly set off for a leg bye and, one over later, Stokes responded to three dot balls in a row with a missed sweep that left him lbw for 31.

The arrival of Tim Bresnan at No. 8 was arguably the most encouraging sight for England at such a stage, but even his big-match experience couldn't rescue his side. He drove on the up to that man Mathurin at long-off to depart for 2 from 4, and instead it was the rookie alliance of Jos Buttler and Scott Borthwick who hauled England back from the depths of 60 for 7. With more pace on the ball now that the spinners' overs were running out, they added 23 in 17 balls before a brilliant shy from Darren Sammy at mid-on left Buttler stranded short of his crease, and England deep in the mire.

Another calamitous run-out followed one over later as England began to panic. Graeme Swann turned down a single to cover with Borthwick stranded at the wrong end of the pitch, and the captain hadn't scored from either of his two deliveries by the time England's No. 11, Jade Dernbach, was also sent on his way via a run-out. Earlier in the match, Swann had chosen not to bowl his full quota of overs to give his team-mates the practice. It was a quiet night for the noisiest man in the camp.

On a bad night for England full-stop, Borthwick's performance with the ball was undoubtedly the highlight. In a solitary over against Ireland last month, he conceded 13 runs in unfavourable conditions. Tonight he went for 15 in a full four-over quota, without conceding a single boundary. His maiden international wicket was a collector's item as well, a perfectly pitched googly that bamboozled Johnson Charles, West Indies' opener, and bowled him for 21.

After allowing West Indies to rattle to 42 for 0 in four overs against the seamers on Friday, Swann cannily chose to open with the spin of Patel. His first ball was swept for four by Charles, the last of his quota was nailed through the covers for another boundary, and in between whiles he was clubbed for six by Charles over long-on. But the remainder of his 21 deliveries conceded a grand total of six runs, as West Indies found no way to keep the strike rotating.

Even Marlon Samuels, the most renowned batsman on display, found it tough to raise his game in the circumstances. He struggled for timing initially and had made 11 from 20 balls before drilling his first boundary at the end of the 15th over, and though he lifted his game in the closing stages, a run-a-ball 35 appeared to have done little more than hoist the West Indies total into triple figures. That, however, proved to be decisive.

England's fielding, such a strong factor in their victory on Friday, was once again sharp, with Hales sliding round the deep midwicket boundary to cling onto a slog from Christopher Barnwell, before Borthwick at long-off swallowed a firm lofted drive off Sammy to give Bopara his fifth wicket of the series, and his first of the night. Dernbach was England's other wicket-taker, with an early lbw to remove Dwayne Smith, but at the end of a memorable summer, it was West Indies who were left to cavort around the outfield. Their season is only just beginning, but what a fillip this will be as they head off towards Dubai, Bangladesh and beyond.

Andrew Miller is UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • jmcilhinney on September 28, 2011, 6:44 GMT

    @Josey Taylor, so you're saying that the England players did handle the moment, played well and it was purely and simply great play by WI that won them the night. England played no part in their own downfall? That's great because it means that England have no issues to address and they can just carry on playing the same way. After all, that's what India are doing. They played well all summer and it was just the weather and injuries, not even the opposition, that led to their defeats.

  • 5wombats on September 27, 2011, 19:55 GMT

    @Josey Taylor - "rear end kicking"! Really? No - that was what happened in the first T20 between England and West Indies. 10 wickets and 5 overs to spare wasn't it? In a 20 over game!? Get a grip mate.

  • marq7 on September 27, 2011, 18:12 GMT

    Well played WIndies. Please don't undo this in the next match.

  • on September 27, 2011, 16:50 GMT

    Swann, you complained that your boys could not handle the moment, that is a lie, you got your rear end kicked in.

  • on September 27, 2011, 16:36 GMT

    Not the first time Santokie has got the better of Hales http://hcpcl.play-cricket.com/scoreboard/scorecard.asp?id=10138283 Got him out first ball once too.

  • Silva-Surfa on September 27, 2011, 12:46 GMT

    Friday's performance was so bad, that i was reluctant to watch Sunday's match and when the Windies were restricted to 113-5, i thought this would be over inside 10 overs, how wrong was i?...Credit to Sammy and the rookies for showing such belief and competitive fighting spirit, that proved with the new-look England side are capable of human errors, once a bit of pressure is put upon them. A minor consulation for Sammy's team and let's not forget that this is a makeshift side without the IPL mercaneries and T&T committed to the Champions League.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on September 27, 2011, 12:44 GMT

    It is not god judge based on one match or one series. Let it be India or ENG. After all every game is psychological. I definitely don't mean to discourage ENG but Indian team and it's bad situation made easy victory for ENG. Till WI series India was playing good but all of a sudden may be it is India's bad luck or ENG's luck (ofcourse both the teams had good talent) everything went wrong. Ofcourse India couldn't use some good opportunities as well. By the way WI is not bad team. They have good fighting spirit.

  • on September 27, 2011, 11:57 GMT

    @5wombats.. Ya.. If outcome of a coin Toss is a 100% unpredictable, thn its a fact that England is very lucky to win it in all ODIs against India this season.. I am sure dat u r not naive enuf, not to understand this fact.. And obviously, England was helped a lot by weather, dew and D/L method in all their chases.. None can deny on that.. Oh.. Now I got it.. U seems to say that England would hv won even if u hv lost the toss and batted first.. Then, why didnt u try this in atleast a single match.. Ans is - Luck was in ur way and u want to make most of it.. And, you did.. NO big deal..

  • 5wombats on September 27, 2011, 8:35 GMT

    @Antriksh Saal - "England were lucky with the toss..." GARBAGE. Don't you mean; "india weren't good enough to beat England... all Summer"?

  • chiggers on September 27, 2011, 8:17 GMT

    'there u go. Brilliant performance follwed by a pathetic one. Poms going Pak way? I hope not.' - I think that you will find it's a lot more than one brilliant performance, followed by a bad one. Facts are such an awkward inconvenience, aren't they?

  • jmcilhinney on September 28, 2011, 6:44 GMT

    @Josey Taylor, so you're saying that the England players did handle the moment, played well and it was purely and simply great play by WI that won them the night. England played no part in their own downfall? That's great because it means that England have no issues to address and they can just carry on playing the same way. After all, that's what India are doing. They played well all summer and it was just the weather and injuries, not even the opposition, that led to their defeats.

  • 5wombats on September 27, 2011, 19:55 GMT

    @Josey Taylor - "rear end kicking"! Really? No - that was what happened in the first T20 between England and West Indies. 10 wickets and 5 overs to spare wasn't it? In a 20 over game!? Get a grip mate.

  • marq7 on September 27, 2011, 18:12 GMT

    Well played WIndies. Please don't undo this in the next match.

  • on September 27, 2011, 16:50 GMT

    Swann, you complained that your boys could not handle the moment, that is a lie, you got your rear end kicked in.

  • on September 27, 2011, 16:36 GMT

    Not the first time Santokie has got the better of Hales http://hcpcl.play-cricket.com/scoreboard/scorecard.asp?id=10138283 Got him out first ball once too.

  • Silva-Surfa on September 27, 2011, 12:46 GMT

    Friday's performance was so bad, that i was reluctant to watch Sunday's match and when the Windies were restricted to 113-5, i thought this would be over inside 10 overs, how wrong was i?...Credit to Sammy and the rookies for showing such belief and competitive fighting spirit, that proved with the new-look England side are capable of human errors, once a bit of pressure is put upon them. A minor consulation for Sammy's team and let's not forget that this is a makeshift side without the IPL mercaneries and T&T committed to the Champions League.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on September 27, 2011, 12:44 GMT

    It is not god judge based on one match or one series. Let it be India or ENG. After all every game is psychological. I definitely don't mean to discourage ENG but Indian team and it's bad situation made easy victory for ENG. Till WI series India was playing good but all of a sudden may be it is India's bad luck or ENG's luck (ofcourse both the teams had good talent) everything went wrong. Ofcourse India couldn't use some good opportunities as well. By the way WI is not bad team. They have good fighting spirit.

  • on September 27, 2011, 11:57 GMT

    @5wombats.. Ya.. If outcome of a coin Toss is a 100% unpredictable, thn its a fact that England is very lucky to win it in all ODIs against India this season.. I am sure dat u r not naive enuf, not to understand this fact.. And obviously, England was helped a lot by weather, dew and D/L method in all their chases.. None can deny on that.. Oh.. Now I got it.. U seems to say that England would hv won even if u hv lost the toss and batted first.. Then, why didnt u try this in atleast a single match.. Ans is - Luck was in ur way and u want to make most of it.. And, you did.. NO big deal..

  • 5wombats on September 27, 2011, 8:35 GMT

    @Antriksh Saal - "England were lucky with the toss..." GARBAGE. Don't you mean; "india weren't good enough to beat England... all Summer"?

  • chiggers on September 27, 2011, 8:17 GMT

    'there u go. Brilliant performance follwed by a pathetic one. Poms going Pak way? I hope not.' - I think that you will find it's a lot more than one brilliant performance, followed by a bad one. Facts are such an awkward inconvenience, aren't they?

  • on September 27, 2011, 8:12 GMT

    Low scoring matches are far more exciting. Proven fact

  • Haleos on September 27, 2011, 7:16 GMT

    there u go. Brilliant performance follwed by a pathetic one. Poms going Pak way? I hope not.

  • garibaldi on September 27, 2011, 6:48 GMT

    Superb comeback by WI - brilliant in the field after a very disappointing first match. Eng batsmen were poor - I hope they learn something from this. No excuses! But wait - I must be in the wrong place - all the comments are about England vs India... and apparently I must have been dreaming that England had a great summer and won almost every match, because the message is clear: India are invincible and perfect, and England are mediocre at best and only ever win by luck. Silly me! Perhaps I'll wake up soon...

  • 9ST9 on September 27, 2011, 3:45 GMT

    @davidpk - only team to win in the summer? Can't you remember SL Racing to victory in the T20 and then taking the ODI series (3-2) to the final match? Clear as day that of the two teams that toured for full series SL were miles and miles ahead of India.

  • on September 26, 2011, 20:09 GMT

    At last all the england team and commentators brought down to the earth...good one wendies,,,,

  • on September 26, 2011, 18:00 GMT

    Talent is never ENOUGH...Where Talent fails...It is only Heart and Passion that can compensate and give the same results. And that is why Darren SAMMY is the Captian of the West Indies team. He is the one that transfers this Passion and Heart for the game to the other players....And this Heart and Passion is what the West Indies team needs at this present time.... WE DO NOT NEED MORE TALENT. It is clear that we have all the talent we will need for this time in our cricketing history...but it is Heart and Passion we lack. This match was a display of what can happen when this Talent, Heart and Passion combines. Well done Sammy... Well Done West Indies.

  • hhillbumper on September 26, 2011, 17:53 GMT

    Call me old fashioned but while certain fans are crowing about last night just how many agmes did you win this summer? and while crowing about England losing to a west indies d team where exactly does that put india.Of course you were unlucky with the toss,umpires pitches and all those other things.By The way when did you last beat Australia in AUstralia.That would be never then.

  • damngood_Ajax on September 26, 2011, 17:44 GMT

    The first thing I see is that the fanatic Englishmen are hiding behind their victory against India. Dear people.....you say that Morgan would have made a big difference....i can't but just laugh at your excuse....India had....you know it!!! Swann says that if his batsmen see the way they played, they would know the mistakes. They weren't deliveries to become out at.....I wonder if all his wickects are just batsmen's mistakes....surely not his "spin bowling".....India had a bad series and definitely you must agree that the ODI's weren't one-sided like the tests...if you can't bear the defeats, better not celebrate your victories....All good things come to an end - Nelly Furtado....have fun...cheers.....

  • RohanMarkJay on September 26, 2011, 17:40 GMT

    As a fan of the England cricket team. Delighted to see WI cricket do well for once even though it was 20/20 match. I always thought West Indies and its fans always showed the best of cricket. In the 70s and 80s they played the most thrilling and imaginative cricket and a tour to the west indies with its party going very knowledgeable and fair cricket fans was one of the best experiences a cricket fan can have, a tour of India, Sri lanka or Australia comes nowhere near to the enjoyment of cricket by West Indies cricket fans in their hay day. Also west indies fans don't make it a point to insult England fans like Indian, Sri Lankan, Aussies or South African fans do. As an England cricket I for one am absolutely delighted for their victory. It is always good for the game of cricket when WI win! Which we have seen precious little in the last decade. Well played and well done West Indies, here hoping you keep it up and recover your glory days again.Cricket needs a Strong WI team.

  • Juiceoftheapple on September 26, 2011, 17:37 GMT

    As a staunch England fan I have to say I was a bit gutted we lost last night, added to that as a Somerset fan was gutted for Super Jos for running himself out on his debut when he should have coasted England home. BUT!!!!!! Have to say well done West Indies, absolutely brilliant performance, the improvement in bowling and fielding and even in batting was incredible, for such a young side, that could have rolled over again in the face of a rampant England was just SUPERB. Really impressed by the guts and fighting spirit they showed. Top class! World cricket is all the better for a strong proud Windies side, and I would really love to see them doing really well again in their uncomprimising and cavalier style old. And thats nothing to do with the fact Viv and Joel are two of my boyhood heroes, honest! And what this match has got to do with Indians I've no idea, they should be sorting themselves out after the drubbing we gave them.

  • on September 26, 2011, 16:43 GMT

    ENGLAND WERE LUCKY IN ODIS WITH THE TOSS(ALL 5 WON) INDIANS BOWLED WITH THE WET BALL IN 4 GAMES WHEN IT WAS TURNING. 3-0 WAS NOT A THRASHING THAT PEOPLE MAKE IT OUT TO BE.INFACT ENGLISH BOWLERS WERE THRASHED IN ALMOST EVERY GAME EXCEPT SWANN AND INDIANS ARE CRITICISED FOR BAD BOWLING.

  • on September 26, 2011, 16:41 GMT

    This is a very ordinary WI team by any std. But it shows that when commitment,pride,love for game & country & not MONEY come into play,what can be achieved. A lesson for others to follow. WI can be great again, if only all concern can get their act together. Great victory!

  • Lmaotsetung on September 26, 2011, 16:39 GMT

    LMAO...41 comments from the first match report. 120 comments on this match. I guess we were right in saying had Eng lost everyone including their mother-in-law would have had something to say. *YAWN*...wake me up when Eng is in India :-)

  • on September 26, 2011, 16:26 GMT

    England got beaten by a second string Windies side..Andrew Miller's in hiding I suppose..disgraced?

  • Yevghenny on September 26, 2011, 16:13 GMT

    @cric7, if conditions were so much in favour of bowlers, why did India look so toothless? VVS, Tendulkar, Dravid - how many tests between them? Sehwag a KING PAIR? Raina and Yuvraj are fine as long as they're playing on puddings that offer no bounce. The batting for India was embarrassing!

  • Precioustar84 on September 26, 2011, 16:06 GMT

    Why is everyone comparing India with West Indies?? This is so stupid. Give credit to the teams that are playing. Why must everything come down to comparisons between other teams? No one is better than other; just better for the day. If one match determined everything then there would be no team at the top ever!! As a die hard Team India fan, I think it's good India couldn't beat England because it was a good lesson for them and now I hope they will pay more attention to tours than these stupid CLT and IPL matches. It's a good lesson to learn for Team India but England have prepared and did better job in that tour. Now they are showing signs of overconfidence once again. Good job West Indies. Better luck next time England but it's still a long way to go!

  • Nemmo on September 26, 2011, 15:37 GMT

    Really nice to see Dwayne Smith having a game. He is a massively underrated player who deserves more games but is overshadowed by Gayle. As to the loss, this stuff happens in T20 cricket. You get the underdog coming out on top sometimes due to the nature of cricket when applied to the very limited amount of overs.

  • 5wombats on September 26, 2011, 15:25 GMT

    God knows what all you india fans are crowing about. Played 10 won 0 credibility 0 I expect. This game was England V West Indies. india had 10 chances and they blew every one.

  • on September 26, 2011, 14:56 GMT

    I would like to first congratulate the entire West Indies team players AND management for a spirited repose to their first game defeat. Let us all remember that their were as many as 7 players in thier 11 have never played in England before and their are 4 debutants in their squad. 6 first choice players (NOT including Gayle) are away either on Champions league duty for T&T or other teams. On top of that, these players have not played competitive international OR Regional cricket since July compared to English players who have been playing WINNING cricket continuously. So, with that said, I wish to reigister a stern verbal chastising to some of the commentary team (most expecially Nasser Hussain) to have respect for your opponents. Some of the snide comments were quite unbecoming of the high standards that are usually displayed by their team.

  • sarosh_siddiqui on September 26, 2011, 14:41 GMT

    In a nut shell. West Indies is batter team than India.

  • sachin_vvsfan on September 26, 2011, 14:03 GMT

    COmmon. this is just T20 .WI are never short of good bowlers. AS a neutral i want to see a contest here but I dont see their batsmen standing up against the ENG bowlers in longer formats.

  • Romenevans on September 26, 2011, 13:35 GMT

    Get oiled English team! Because you gonna receive some serious bashing in India...

  • cric7 on September 26, 2011, 13:19 GMT

    @davidpk, Indians are happy because this shows how great the England Team is, they won due to conditions that favor them. If India had fit bowlers like Zak, Ishant, Harbie things would be different.

  • on September 26, 2011, 13:14 GMT

    Commentators very biased when we batted made some awful comments, should be made to apologise to the West Indies team and supporters. Go on West Indies

  • rohitrainakohli on September 26, 2011, 12:59 GMT

    its good to see west indies bounce back into the game England should learn how to tackle against spin

  • on September 26, 2011, 12:47 GMT

    few days back when india was whitewashed, i commented here that i would bet even WI would have won atleast one match, well i was right. West Indies achieved in 2 attempts what India cudnt even in 9 attempts. WI is much better than India!

  • on September 26, 2011, 12:33 GMT

    WI selectors got a few things wrong. Maybe because of the abundant talent. But this I know WI should never play a T20 match without Santokie. This is a tailor made T20 bowler. Seeing him bowl for the 1st time, Iwas so impressed. His height & pace is the perfect ploy. His 5' 6'' makes it difficult to detect his change of pace, & his 78mph is the perfect speed. Not to mention he is a leftie. One more thing, he should bowl yr final over. He is yr tour find. Garey is good but teams will soon work him out. Not SANTOKIE. How the selectors never noticed that?

  • on September 26, 2011, 12:26 GMT

    Congrats West Indies!!! West Indies administration should persist with Krishnar Santokie and stop making the excuse that he isn't quick enough...Chaminda Vaas was a bowler of similar pace and he was very effective. Santoki is accurate and his length will give any batsman problems; he also swings the ball...

  • bumsonseats on September 26, 2011, 11:45 GMT

    im not sure why so many indians supporters should be so happy. WI were the only team to win in england our summer, dont say much for your team playing in uk conditions. WI seemed to manage it. dpk

  • aclarity on September 26, 2011, 11:37 GMT

    The WI Selectors should hang there heads in shame. Santoki, the best T20 bowler in regional cricket, finally played and WI won. He swung the ball dummies. Mathurin another top T20 regional player was not in the squad - a replacement for Nurse. Remember Bishoo - ICC player of the year and was not good enough for the World Cup. Let us see what they do next year at the T20 World cup. They should pick on regional performance and not on name. Dwayne Smith is not a prospect for any form of WI cricket. I hope this was confirmed by this short series. Another tip, Pollard is a better prospect for test cricket than Samuels. The record of Samuels tells the story. Samuels is more shape than substance while Pollard is on the way up.

  • iamsuperman on September 26, 2011, 11:21 GMT

    Well done team windies! You guys bowled well, cant really say batted well, but batted way much better than England did. Yesterday I heard Nasser Hussain say WI beated the team of the Year 2011. I dont agree with that, England win % in 2011 is less hardly 45%. How can you calls a team who lost 55% of their 2011 match the team of the year? That is just hyped up. Yes I agree they are on top now, but definetly not team of the year. Let England finish their Asian tour, and if they are on top then, all praise to England then.

  • on September 26, 2011, 11:05 GMT

    as an Indian, i just don't want to comment about English team, i want my Team back home to learn one or two things from this young WI team- whatever the resource we have, we must try to play as a unit, then even a formidable side too can collapse...thats what shown by WI..kudos to them... -VENU

  • on September 26, 2011, 11:01 GMT

    Fab_ali ...u got it wrong...WI don't have problems with Pollard, Bravo, Chanderpaul or Sarwan.....Pollard is representing Mumbai indians, Bravo is representing Chania Superkings...Chanderpaul is not picked for 20/20 but he's in the test team...sarwan is ill

  • on September 26, 2011, 10:54 GMT

    Some are still crying about the non-availability of some of the former WI players. The intensity , desire to win and we are all in the same boat attitude is what got us over the line. That had been lacking in many a star-filled previous outing. See, the players respect their captain and the coach

  • mars2009 on September 26, 2011, 10:29 GMT

    Kudoos to West Indies, they squared the series by 1-1, what they achieved in only second attempt Indian can't achieved even in 10 attempts.

  • on September 26, 2011, 9:54 GMT

    What's new? England can't play spin. Say goodbye to your WorldT20 title, Poms as next edition's in the SC.

  • anshu.s on September 26, 2011, 9:26 GMT

    I am n Indian observer but found the run out decision of butler n dernbach dubious.....hardly couple of angles were seen which were inconclusive n third umpire who was in a tearing rush gave them out within a minute !!!! Wow

  • on September 26, 2011, 9:17 GMT

    As keen as people clearly are to see England do badly, I think a bit too much is being read into this result. Losing a single game and drawing a 2 match 20/20 series is not exactly the disaster people are making out.

  • Ray24 on September 26, 2011, 9:03 GMT

    If one T-20 defeat means that much to the Indian fans, then India should be placed below the West Indies :-) Its an Eng WI game, guys why are you so much into it trying to find cover ups for the Indian embarassment? Get over it, and make a good team that can play in any condition.

  • FAB_ALI on September 26, 2011, 9:01 GMT

    I hope WICB can solve the spate with players very soon. I would love to see Gayle, Bravo, Pollard, Chanderpaul and Sarwan back in this team and they will be really competitive again.

  • FAB_ALI on September 26, 2011, 8:59 GMT

    I always love the passion with which the West Indians play!! They enjoy their game and I enjoy watching them play. Its really amazing to see how they celebrate after winning games. True Cricket lovers these guys are.

  • JG2704 on September 26, 2011, 8:57 GMT

    SKUMAR96 and others - Why can you not look at your own performances rather than blaming injuries , winning the toss , the way the wind blows etc? As others have pointed out , India were not depleted in the test series anything like you say. And in the ODIs/T20s . England have been without KP and Morgan - their 2 most dangerous batsmen for throughout nearly all the ODI's / T20's and we basically did the same as India in resting players etc. The difference is that the players (esp bowlers) we brought in performed. WI fans have had so much more to deal with in terms of their top players not playing for them and you don't hear them going on about it all the time. Get a grip man

  • FAB_ALI on September 26, 2011, 8:57 GMT

    WI had nothing to lose, really!! So, they enjoyed their cricket and gave it all and they won. The problem with India was they never enjoyed their game in England because they had so much to lose and thus a worried team kept losing players and kept losing matches!!

  • kalyankk1985 on September 26, 2011, 8:54 GMT

    @eng team and fans : true bench strength :) not able to beat a class-D or E WI team .. :P

    its time to come back to the reality !!

  • JG2704 on September 26, 2011, 8:44 GMT

    MEETY - Re bench strength . I still believe England have it. Let's not forget that this was practically the same side which stuffed the WI in the first match , except for Borthwick - who performed well - for Finn. It was just that WI upped their game/belief while we under performed. METMAN - Re strongest teams always being fielded. I disagree. These are exactly the sort of games where we should experiment a little , whilst giving others a break. Also as I put above , the batting line up was exactly the same as the one which won the previous match by 10 wkts. ASIBA BUFFALO - Sorry but your post is nonsense contradictions. Saying you were stunned but not shocked , knew WI would win but that no one can predict cricket matches. VEXX2 - Sorry , but I wouldn't get carried away with WI's result. They still looked poor with the bat and were basically poor in 75% of the 2 games. Very well done to them for their fielding efforts and spirit though

  • Guernica on September 26, 2011, 8:34 GMT

    Well done West Indies. I think it serves England right for always sticking to their 'win toss, bowl first' game-plan. They are not always going to win the toss so they need practice at setting and defending a target, both in T20 and ODI. Hopefully lessons learned and they can improve.

  • first_slip on September 26, 2011, 8:33 GMT

    @Nampally, WI won because of Bad Pitch and Pure luck, they will not win a series against quality opponent in near future, And Sri lanka won 2 ODIs and T20 against England and win against lions as well, and 2 test draws at the early English summer , India got whitewashed in better part of the English summer, hove could u say sri lanka didnt win against England???

  • on September 26, 2011, 8:23 GMT

    By the way, do we any player who can captain the country, bat well regularly, and keep wickets? Yes, in the recent days there has been dip in Dhoni's scoring but he is still a match-winner. Champions Trophy, T-20 and ODI World Cup, winning IPL two times. England is the only failure but then again look at the bowling strength. England scoring 113 and yet falling to WI bowling and excellent fielding

  • on September 26, 2011, 8:03 GMT

    Despite last nights defeat I am still extremely optimistic about this team in all forms of the game. In the test arena the first team have showed that they are a talented and disciplined team who thoroughly deserve the number one ranking status. Whilst in the one day game, there still is many areas we need to improve upon but beating both the WC finalists this summer shows we are headed in the right direction. And whilst they may have let themselves down last night, the batch of youngsters coming through look very promising indeed which will hopefully mean that this current success is long lived.

  • on September 26, 2011, 7:59 GMT

    As an England fan, yesterdays performance was really disappointing. We have seen in recent times that England have become a far more ruthless side whereby when they get a team on the floor they keep them there. After Windies tepid batting performance, England were most certainly in the ascendency however we let them off the hook last night out of sheer complacency. It was taken for granted that we could chase down the miserly target and it appeared each batsman thought the next guy could get the runs with no-one standing up and playing a sensible and authoritative innings. Granted Windies did put out a much improved bowling and fielding performance but one good enough to bowl out our talented side for 88? I don't think so. It highlighted how vulnerable England still is against spinners and medium pacers on sub-continent style pitches. With the next 20/20 world cup being held in Asia, I think it is going to be tough assignment retaining the trophy.

  • on September 26, 2011, 7:52 GMT

    Its the beginning of the end...of the fairy tale...wont be sunny always..Poms.

  • natmastak_so-called on September 26, 2011, 7:52 GMT

    that someone who blasted 41 of 21 against India ,also played na.just reminds me reading, " a new hope/strong benchstrength" about him. . d:-) good luck eng .

  • KarachiKid on September 26, 2011, 7:50 GMT

    @maja2834, you can re-set your stats by including blaming the umpires also 5%. Having said that, I believe Dhoni is the best captain in the world today. The only area where he needs to lower his ego a bit is his post match comments in which he seldom appreciates that quality of opposition, in both cases, i mean when he wins, he lauds his batsmen and when he loses, he blames his bowlers only. However, again, this is just a minor blip in Mr. Perfect's leadership abilities. And Dhoni, like Sehwag and Zaheer Khan, remains a match winner, unlike Dravid, Bhajji and Tendulkar !!! We should never confuse stats with watch winning qualities. Like Inzi was truly a match winner, though his stats only make him a class batsmen, not a modern day great like Tendulkar, Dravid, Kallis, Ponting...

  • natmastak_so-called on September 26, 2011, 7:40 GMT

    team England finally playing like team England.

  • maja2834 on September 26, 2011, 7:15 GMT

    This is for all Indian fans to see..West Indies have several players (gayle,Pollard,Bravo) missing still they manage to win ..Why? They dont have a big mouth captain in form of Dhoni Who 90% times blames his bowlers and 9% times his batsman and 1% times blames himself and do nothing on field.In the series in India on flat pitches where India scores 300+ all the times why will the opponent score any less and then when You loose Dhoni happily blames his bowlers WHY?Mostly MSD will be not out and manage his average and never looks to score fast..Observe this in the coming series..By the way I am an Indian.

  • SanjuMenon on September 26, 2011, 6:55 GMT

    To those who are the critics of Dhoni for not winning any of the matches against England....It was just another series....Dhoni is the only captain in the whole world that had one both T-20 World Cup and ODI World Cup. Dhoni is the only playing captain who had won any world cups. Because of injuries only India had lost the series. I know there are no ifs and buts...Injuries can't be foreseen..I am sure the Indian team would bounce back soon and England would be their first victim, Windies, Sri Lanka and Australia to follow.....

  • Avi56 on September 26, 2011, 6:46 GMT

    Wow this is so koool....west indies have played in a completely new team with no big names..and they win over a england team who had almost the same team against india..... not saying that this team is betterthan india or so....just shows how determined and aggressive the WI team is than india

  • on September 26, 2011, 6:43 GMT

    england back to there losing ways

  • on September 26, 2011, 6:35 GMT

    westindies played like pakistan i dont thinl this ty;pe of wicket should be used for t20 game

  • Dashgar on September 26, 2011, 6:34 GMT

    Another reminder that England aren't so far ahead of the pack at all. The England fairly tale will come crashing back to earth sooner rather than later. One series win in Australia then beating some sub continent teams on green pitches and they thought they were invincible. The cricket world have England in their sights, they better hope they can handle the heat.

  • Sachit1979 on September 26, 2011, 6:18 GMT

    Thats what I said in one my earlier posts. What if any of the youngsters left out from Bangladesh tour performs really well in this tour and Gary Mathurin did that for Windies. I believe he deserves his chance to travel to subcontinent.

  • nayonika on September 26, 2011, 6:06 GMT

    As an Indian who was anguished when we lost all the matches in England, I am happy to read WI beat England in the second 20/20. We in India hope you guys get over your problems to play the kind of cricket, played ealier by Lloyd,Viv Richards, and the fearsome fast bowlers like Marshal, Garner,Ambrose, and many oyher illustrious cricketers from your lovely islands. Goodluck to all you guys.

  • popped on September 26, 2011, 5:59 GMT

    @lokphy still making excuses for India's losses(amany of them) i see rusty?? really after so much cricket ?!! some things never change!!!btw :england lost the T20 against SL as well or your information

  • Shan156 on September 26, 2011, 5:49 GMT

    @ Meety, who talked about bench strength in limited over cricket? We, English fans, have always been the first to admit that our first choice XI, leave alone the bench, is only a mediocre side in limited overs cricket, especially ODIs. We pride ourselves on our bench strength for tests, especially the pace attack. When you have bowlers like Tremlett and Finn waiting in the wings, you know that is something.

  • puntertakeson on September 26, 2011, 5:40 GMT

    Why Bairstow not scored 41 runs in 21 balls as he did against India. Oh.....wait ball was turning yesterday, unlike other day when ball got wet and neither swinging nor spinning.

  • Shan156 on September 26, 2011, 5:40 GMT

    Looks like Indian fans are having a field day. West Indies have managed to defeat England - something India couldn't do all summer in any format. @skumar_96, absolute nonsense but then we were expecting this from some Indian fans. Who were the 5 players that were missing in the tests? Zak, OK, he left after bowling 13 overs but Harbhajan played two tests, Yuvraj played one, Gambhir played 3 (OK, 2, since he was concussed in the middle of the 4th test), Praveen (missed only the last test), Sehwag (missed two but what did he do in the other two tests?). We could also say that we missed Trott and Tremlett for the best part of 3 tests. How many English fans do you see giving excuses for this defeat? We all appreciate the Windies for this win. They *deserved* it. They won because they played the better cricket on the day and not because England were playing their 'Z' team.

  • on September 26, 2011, 5:36 GMT

    west indies played like one team and with team spirit, and the result is good. they have some good new players and it was visible that they want to play and try hard and also supporting each other. well done .... good luck for future.

  • Shan156 on September 26, 2011, 5:33 GMT

    WI always have to spoil England's party. The last time England had such a successful season was in 2004 when they won 7 tests out of 7 against the visiting Kiwis and Windies. The NatWest series defeat was a blip but the Indians were beaten in the NatWest Challenge and the ICCCT was all but won till Bradshah and Bourne played the innings of their lives to take Windies home. It was a sour ending to one of England's best summers. While I would take such defeats every now and then if England are gonna win consistently in tests, it does leave a bad taste in the mouth.

    Anyway, congrats Windies.

  • on September 26, 2011, 5:12 GMT

    west indies team is the very courageous team in the present scenarios.. they don't have their key players for last 2 years.. despite of those matters they are compete with big teams with courage to restore their early pride that gained by legends WALSH, AMBROSE, LARA etc.. i hope west indies could be greatest opponent for all the teams in the world when we see those youngsters performance recent matches.. all the credit should goes to sammy... he is the player dedicated his work for his nation.. all the best DARREN...

  • Valavan on September 26, 2011, 5:02 GMT

    @skumar, Dont relate WI victory to the Indian disability due to injuries, India fielded their best 9 in two tests and best 10 in the other two tests. WI deserves the credit for win, Its all the fiasco you created about half cooked sehwag, he returned to 3rd test and got whipped. England lost is a great news because they must get such reality check before departing from England. They must be well prepared for the away assignments. cricinfo please publish

  • cricketizgood on September 26, 2011, 4:52 GMT

    West Indies is always been a tough team, they showed some poor performance but they look a bit ok now.... As a cricket fan I like tough competitions within teams. Certainty in win washes the love to the game.

  • jmcilhinney on September 26, 2011, 4:47 GMT

    "We are waiting to see how they will fair against a full strength Indian team in India."

    Maybe you are but certainly many are not. Many have already marked India down for the win. There's all this talk from many Indian supporters about how many players were lost to injury but not much from those same supporters about how poorly those who weren't injured, most of whom were first choice players, played throughout the tour. None of the bowlers performed consistently except maybe Praveen Kumar. Other than Dravid, no batsman performed consistently, including the likes of Dhoni and Tendulkar. Plus Sehwag wouldn't have been injured if he had considered Tests for his country more important than IPL.

  • proudpommy on September 26, 2011, 4:47 GMT

    Well played West Indies!!

  • Gupta.Ankur on September 26, 2011, 4:34 GMT

    So, England's fairy-tale "bubble" has been busted......

  • skumar_96 on September 26, 2011, 3:44 GMT

    Hey guys,it's not a shocking thing that WI won. They played well and they deserved to be on the winning side, sad that this time England was not supported by weather and a injury prone team. They lost to a better team. They will now come to know that how to play CRICKET without your main players i.e. without main 5 in test and 7 in odi. We are waiting to see how they will fair against a full strength Indian team in India.

  • on September 26, 2011, 3:10 GMT

    Gary played well for us this season in Toronto. Great player.

  • on September 26, 2011, 2:59 GMT

    A win is a win and a side is a side..well done WI.

  • abhyudayj on September 26, 2011, 2:55 GMT

    Perhaps england takes west indies likely and england pay the price for it

  • rapidstar on September 26, 2011, 2:19 GMT

    This is a humiliating defeat to England.. in their own back yard, they couldn't chase a below par score. Well done WI!!

  • cricdiehard25 on September 26, 2011, 2:08 GMT

    Congratulations West Indies! Good to see the guys do what all West Indians know they are capable of.Losing a game once in a while is a stigma that could be expected of any cricket, but the WI team has been doing the opposite, i.e winning a match once in a while. So now I'm looking forward to them winning more often than losing.Keep it up guys~

  • on September 26, 2011, 2:08 GMT

    everyone is saying west indies deserved to win. but the truth is after the world cup Pakistan India and now England have played west indies and they have played them with there B team or c team ...so this result does not change anyting .. England had a bad day today... all england was missing was a cook or kevin p to guide them ..and still 113 is unacceptable.. look at trinidad and tobago !!

  • lokphy on September 26, 2011, 2:04 GMT

    So may be my guess was right. Eng won against India because: 1. Dhoni as a Capt. had bad luck (continued in CL2011), 2. No good bowlers and fielders for Ind., 3. Ind. players were tired and rusty... So I mentioned rightly that Eng. against good bowling and fielding is yet susceptible. That's why I do not consider them great. They are a good team though.

  • jmcilhinney on September 26, 2011, 1:22 GMT

    I have to agree with Randy_Wilson. Let's stop all the talk of B sides or C sides or whatever. It didn't cut it from India and it doesn't cut it from England or West Indies. India had injuries but they still had plenty of talented players to put in the side. With the number of people in India and their love of cricket, they certainly should have. England had a few notable absences but they still had plenty of talent and enough experience in that team to win. This wasn't the best possible WI team but it could have been if the players and the management had the will. The simple fact is that whoever is on the field is the team and that's that. On paper, England should have won this game and after the first innings they certainly should have. They were outplayed on the night and that's all that really matters. Well done WI, I hope you can use this as a catalyst to improve. England, I hope you learn from this and, win or lose in future, I hope you don't lose like this.

  • landl47 on September 26, 2011, 1:22 GMT

    Good win for the West Indies and I hope this sparks a revival in their fortunes. England had a bad day with the bat, everyone does from time to time (@Meety, we'll be happy to give you a good day once in every dozen games or so). Nice outing for Borthwick, great to see a legspinner turning out for England. Tuck this one away and move on to the next challenge.

  • dabomb_758 on September 26, 2011, 1:17 GMT

    Nobody said that this was WI 'D' side when they were destroyed in the first T20 so what's all this nonsense about England fielding a 'D' side once they have been beaten? It doesn't matter who's playing - WI beat England....end of story!!

  • on September 26, 2011, 1:12 GMT

    I was not stunned I was not shocked. From the beginning I knew West Indies would win. West Indies are capable of brilliance and it can come at any time. Its cricket and no one can predict a cricket game. I have learnt that no one can predict a cricket game. A game goes the way it wants to go: it has a mind of its own

  • jmcilhinney on September 26, 2011, 1:02 GMT

    Hmmm... very disappointing for those looking for consistency from the England limited overs teams. I didn't see the match so I can only go by what I've read, but it seems to me that England went out to bat feeling over-confident and then panicked when things didn't go their way. The silly thing is that they still had enough balls to score the runs required, if they'd had the batsmen. Well done to WI for putting in a fine display in the field. This brings back bad memories of England's inconsistent performance in the most recent WC and doesn't bode well for the upcoming games in India. I certainly believe that England have the talent to do well in those games, but their temperament in the short forms is still a worry. Hopefully they can use this as a learning experience and be better as a result. Hopefully they don't need too many more learning experiences.

  • MyComments on September 26, 2011, 0:54 GMT

    This clearly shows how much planning plays a role in England performance. If you know your opponent you can plan well but against some what unknown bowlers all you need is little bit of talent and patience. This shows England will be a good opposition against a well known opposition but expect poor performance against an unknown average team due to lack of planning.

  • on September 26, 2011, 0:42 GMT

    Good to see WI finding some good spinners. The Bangladesh vs. WI series next month will be interesting to watch.

  • samudralakiku on September 26, 2011, 0:41 GMT

    Westindies seems to be a much better team than India at the moment. Well down WI. Keep performing like this and you will be up in the top in no time.

  • on September 26, 2011, 0:25 GMT

    Mr.Nasir hussain,, please be aware that cricket is a great leveller.

  • tmd1 on September 26, 2011, 0:08 GMT

    To many English born players in the team, bring in some more South African born players.

  • Raju_Iyer on September 26, 2011, 0:07 GMT

    To pom_dom : Why bring in India mate? If you are suggesting lack on intensity from the Indians during the ODIs and the T20, then you need to have more understanding of the game. Though England won, it was touch and go and don't forget one match was tied.

  • on September 26, 2011, 0:04 GMT

    England underestimated the W.I after the bowled them out for a merger total and they were pretty laid back, even Andrew Miller has the story written before W.I had the final word...He had to eat his words and re-write the story..Goes to show that you have to wait until the fat lady sings...I love the fight W.I showed after being 1 down..India should take a page out of this performance..Always back your self and give it your all..and the rest will take care of itself....

  • on September 26, 2011, 0:00 GMT

    5 runs outs suggests the wheels came off a bit. Congrats to WI, hopefully England will have learnt something from this, perhaps a few more wise heads with more experience would have helped when the panic set in.

  • Lmaotsetung on September 25, 2011, 23:57 GMT

    4 run outs is unforgivable. Hope the lads learn from their mistake. Now we can take a breather and wait for the return series in India in a couple of weeks time. I am "hopeful" we can silence the doubters once and for all. Wonder who'll be on the plane to India. I guess Keiswetter and Butler being in India already is a bonus. These 2 will be well acclimatised. No Morgan means England will not have it's insurance policy with them in India. One or two of Bopara/Bairstow/Stokes/Bell/Butler need to step up. Hope KP makes the trip too.

  • VEXXZ on September 25, 2011, 23:44 GMT

    The top Countries in World cricket see the West Indies as the "Team to beat up on " due to the fact the WI "ran them over " for so many years . These Countries after wining a few , then come up with a "Second string squad" trying to prove a point . If the West Indies stop the chopping and changing of the team and give most of the guys a RUN , you will see a "Mighty West Indies " again .........REAL SOON .

  • Randy_Wilson on September 25, 2011, 23:33 GMT

    @ Metman haha but this isnt even West Indies B team. West Indies had alot of Debuts in this match. this West Indies is Unknow to everyone. people only know D Sammy, Dyawne smith, Samuels and Bishoo. plus Edwards didnt play this match. yet it was the un cricketors of West Indies which Beats England. DONT matter how we put it. West Indies Beast England, dont care if its a 2nd rate team or not, but West Indies beat the World Champ. It's simular to Bangladesh Beating West Indies in the caribbean. it was a West Indies 100th rate team, but in history it will be Wi been beaten by Bangladesh. same here. West Indies Beat England. Well tbh i was just surprise I though England would of win this.

  • JiggsBda on September 25, 2011, 23:28 GMT

    Well done Windies,

    Deryck Fraser the DRS is a part of the game and available to all whatever is your point??

  • on September 25, 2011, 23:14 GMT

    West Indies still has the heart and talent. The WICB is the problem!

  • Meety on September 25, 2011, 23:10 GMT

    Spewing I've had to wait about 2 months to bag the preverbial out of a Pommy performance. The funny thing is that Pommy fans have been talking about being able to have "Bench Strength" that means they had 3 or 4 world class replacements for anyone of their 1st XI. Yet, here a WIndies team who (not inc Bishoo who I think is a star), had 10 no-names or has beens & won convincingly. I know this was not a full strength Pommy side, but then again the WIndies had a few T20 satrs out of the team, (I would of thought Pollard's bowling would of been very tricky in Eng), but this result puts to bed for the time being talk of great bench strength!!!!

  • Snick_To_Backward_Point on September 25, 2011, 23:09 GMT

    Congrats Windies for a great performance especially the fielding which was superb. England had a bit of a shocker but you cant expect top performance after top performance ad infinitum. Rather than say the Windies were lucky or the conditions or toss weren't fair i'll say it as it is: we were beaten by the better performing team. I'm sure England will learn from this - especially the panic that set in unnecessarily. When you need a run a ball and have 5 wickets in hand why go for the pre meditated slogs??? just take a run a ball and relax! It'll come good for the youngsters with more experience....

  • pom_don on September 25, 2011, 22:52 GMT

    As an England fan I must congratulate Windies on a superb job....just shows what can be done when you put your heart & soul into it (unlike India!) I think this is the wake up call England needed too I am sure this will actually do them some good before they leave our shores it will I am sure make them work even harder.

  • krnataraj on September 25, 2011, 22:49 GMT

    world champions????? welcome to SL & INDIA!!!!!

  • Davgood on September 25, 2011, 22:49 GMT

    This is really interesting the last time I recalled the English Commentators referring to the English Team as "young men" and the West Indies as "boys" I wonder where those voices were today when that great team was crumbling.This match was considered finished even before England batted,I also heard comments of how unfair it was that the 22000 spectators were going to be robbed again of a proper contest. Never count your chickens too early.

  • on September 25, 2011, 22:40 GMT

    this victory is as a result of the self belief that the guys had on the field. Even me the most ardent WI fan after the WI innings was down. But again the guys played as a team, not as separate individuals. These guys more than make up in their effort on the field what they lack in talent. I know the Sammy critics/haters will not want to hear it but Sammy again led the team exceptionally considering the WI score. And what about Mathurin? Apparently the only reason he is on the team is because he is Stlucian. Again considering the circumstances he did exceptionally. Johnson Charles also looks a decent batsman. Some of us WI fans didn't give the team a chance. It just shows how dead wrong we can be, when we think we are dead right. Congrats to the boys and hope they keep on improving with the upcoming tours.

  • Metman on September 25, 2011, 22:38 GMT

    That is why each team should ALWAYS play their strongest team at ALL times !WI beat an England 'D' side and everybody gone hyper!For heavens sake Godfrey Pieters,this team is not England's world beating #1 team.People don't even know most of those players. @Arigold ! How can this WI team be better than India,when India had to feel the might of England's first choice players ?

  • Truemans_Ghost on September 25, 2011, 22:34 GMT

    Well played West Indies. But I said it when England won a couple of days back, and I'll say it now......meh.

  • Shilly77 on September 25, 2011, 22:22 GMT

    Well done West Indies great comeback win. Watch and learn India!!!!

  • VEXXZ on September 25, 2011, 22:18 GMT

    AH, I told you guys the West Indies had a good enough team to win .

  • deol84 on September 25, 2011, 22:12 GMT

    Well done west indies,finaly some team has competed against england.

  • spence1324 on September 25, 2011, 21:51 GMT

    Well done west indies doing what india did not win a game and leave these shores with respect.

  • SFGoldenGate on September 25, 2011, 21:48 GMT

    Well done, West Indies. We all know that this Eng team is very very good but they are not invincible. Last month India was so poor that Eng looked unbeatable. At that time, many Indian fans were whining that their 'A' , "B' or 'C' teams was playing. Now WI is bottom ranked team and they are also literally playing without their most dangerous player Chris Gayle. WI now at least won one match in Eng. Even Bangladesh won one ODI last year. Anyways, well played WI. I hope their rise continues..

  • on September 25, 2011, 21:43 GMT

    Well! Well! Well! As someone who has been overtly critical of Windies I gotta give our boys their due. They played like a team and to international standards. Now can we have some consistency please?

  • gloriouscricket on September 25, 2011, 21:42 GMT

    Good Cricket by this young WINDIES team--Excellent Cricket;they deserve the victory, good luck in the test series and the 50 Over.Thanks for the commentary,

  • wjennifer65 on September 25, 2011, 21:42 GMT

    Congratulations to the West Indies team. I didn't have much faith after Friday but glad you proved me wrong. What happens to Garey Mathurin now since the team has already been named for Bangladesh tour?

  • JG2704 on September 25, 2011, 21:28 GMT

    Obviously a game of 2 halves and a bad run chase. As a Somerset fan I was sad for Buttler getting run out when looking in control. Maybe a liitle too keen? What I didn't/don't understand was Nick Knight's views. A few weeks ago he was saying that England must find a way of getting Bopara into the side (can't remember whether it was one day or T20) and this evening he was talking about maybe giving KP another chance? Am I the only person who would put KP and Morgan as the 1st names down (batting) in any important ODI/T20 international and am I the only person who would pick KP over Bopara every day of the week? By the way , well done to Somerset today. Van Der Merwe was exceptional and I would sign him ahead of Pollard for next years T20 competition.

  • on September 25, 2011, 21:28 GMT

    Don't worry you can't win everything...England had a great summer and i am glad for them as a die hard WI fan

  • Nutcutlet on September 25, 2011, 21:25 GMT

    It was only an end-of-season, add-on T20, but there were points that Andy Flower and the England management will mull over in detail following this shock defeat. For the first time this season, it seemed to me that England lost their way, even though they were chasing down a very modest total. When there are a crop of run-outs in an innings it invariably points to panic brought about initially by some naive and indecisive strokeplay against the turning ball. The damage done at the top of the innings by Mathurin proved infectious to the inexperienced batting line-up. It's easy to be wise after the event, but the indiscreet sweep shot was a major technical weakness. Had England's batsmen got their heads down, nurdled and played in the V, then the target would have been achieved unspectacularly, but without too many alarms either, IMO. That said, the West Indies showed that they have some real emerging talent and should take much heart that they can do well. Well done, WIndies!

  • on September 25, 2011, 21:21 GMT

    Windies learnt fast and deserved the win.

  • Nampally on September 25, 2011, 21:16 GMT

    Great to see WI doing what SL & India could not do by outplaying their opponents. WI not known for spin bowlers since the era of Valentine & Ramadhin, produced 2 spinners here - Mathurin & Bishoo.Though Bishoo got hit by stokes in his first over he settled down well to tie up his end with a wicket. I always felt that England are weak against Leg spin and was goading India to get Ojha & Rahul Sharma in the cricinfo comments.. But India had no plan as regards to optimal bowlers and played mechanically giving only excuses for their defeats rather than find a solution to their bowling woes. It is great to see a lowly placed team showing both SL & India the way to win with different tactics - attacking the opposition on their weakness (good spinners)rather than on their strength against pace.I hope India take note and learn to play right bowlers especially when they are available and keen to play. Congrats West Indies - Well done, Great show of talent & tactics- after losing first t-20.

  • braindead_rocker on September 25, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    At the end of the first half, Miller's report was about how England pretty much had this match in the bag. He had to eat his own words when Windies played out of their skins and won...Congrats West Indies for doing what India could not...As an Indian fan, even I must say you were better than the Indian team and like Miller even I felt you would lose though I had always hoped for a miracle. Keep this up.

  • on September 25, 2011, 21:13 GMT

    stunning i m still rubbing my eyes

  • on September 25, 2011, 21:12 GMT

    West Indies certainly need to thank the DRS system. It would have been impossible to give some of those run outs with the naked eye!

  • on September 25, 2011, 21:09 GMT

    Congrats WI. Well to say that I didn't give this team a chance agst England would have been an understatement. A third string WI team with some talent defeat the world's #1. What can I say? Idon't even know some of the WI players.

  • Valavan on September 25, 2011, 21:05 GMT

    Congrats Windies, that was the self belief which this Windies miss in their last decade. make up the team with gayle, shiv, bravo, pollard, jerome, roadh, you can be a formiddable ODI side. Great wishes from an ENGLAND FAN. cricinfo please publish

  • AriGold on September 25, 2011, 21:03 GMT

    Morale of the story/game: West indies are far better than India :)

  • Chirs-Cry on September 25, 2011, 21:01 GMT

    Does that suggest West Indies are better than India ? or Perhaps just a lucky day ?

  • on September 25, 2011, 20:56 GMT

    Wow good win ...Congrats W.I...

  • phoenixsteve on September 25, 2011, 20:55 GMT

    So it finally happened and England lose a game! A great team effort by the Windies who outplayed England and really deserved this victory. Perversely this defeat has probably done England a favour - as everything seemed to be too easy this season? A psychological 'kick in the butt' will do them some good and eliminate any future complacency. It's the nature of T20 cricket that unexpected results occur. It's still been a marvelous show from England and I for one have really appreciated the past 3 months. Oh and don't forget earlier this year and the wonderful Ashes series........ COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • on September 25, 2011, 20:47 GMT

    yea ....a good reply from the windies.....their 2nd hand team gave England badly......they proved themselves to be better than my favourite Indian team......but who cares...at last england's streak got the right stop.

  • CricketHeretic on September 25, 2011, 20:47 GMT

    Obviously dissapointment is the over-riding feeling, but the young English side should see this as a learning experience. Loads of positives from the first half of the game and even a few good moments from bortwick, butler and stokes during the run chase. I actually thought Borthwick bowled a little too full despite his figures but with the catch and a few runs it was a good game for him. Nerves got the better of the young-guns today which led to a lot of suicidal running. Too many calls for runs on the basis of 'I can make this' rather then 'we can both make this'.

    The West Indies side should see this as a barometer of what they are capapble of. They should be aiming to be this good on a consistent basis.

  • on September 25, 2011, 20:44 GMT

    well done the Windies, takes guts to blood nonfirst class players in an international!

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on September 25, 2011, 20:41 GMT

    Oops! England's young 'uns slip up! But they've got plenty of years ahead of them to learn their trade.

  • on September 25, 2011, 20:37 GMT

    Rather ironically, I can't think of a better result for England. Rather than going into the India series complacent, this result should be a reminder that wins never come easily.

  • on September 25, 2011, 20:36 GMT

    too over confident!! come down!!

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  • on September 25, 2011, 20:36 GMT

    too over confident!! come down!!

  • on September 25, 2011, 20:37 GMT

    Rather ironically, I can't think of a better result for England. Rather than going into the India series complacent, this result should be a reminder that wins never come easily.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on September 25, 2011, 20:41 GMT

    Oops! England's young 'uns slip up! But they've got plenty of years ahead of them to learn their trade.

  • on September 25, 2011, 20:44 GMT

    well done the Windies, takes guts to blood nonfirst class players in an international!

  • CricketHeretic on September 25, 2011, 20:47 GMT

    Obviously dissapointment is the over-riding feeling, but the young English side should see this as a learning experience. Loads of positives from the first half of the game and even a few good moments from bortwick, butler and stokes during the run chase. I actually thought Borthwick bowled a little too full despite his figures but with the catch and a few runs it was a good game for him. Nerves got the better of the young-guns today which led to a lot of suicidal running. Too many calls for runs on the basis of 'I can make this' rather then 'we can both make this'.

    The West Indies side should see this as a barometer of what they are capapble of. They should be aiming to be this good on a consistent basis.

  • on September 25, 2011, 20:47 GMT

    yea ....a good reply from the windies.....their 2nd hand team gave England badly......they proved themselves to be better than my favourite Indian team......but who cares...at last england's streak got the right stop.

  • phoenixsteve on September 25, 2011, 20:55 GMT

    So it finally happened and England lose a game! A great team effort by the Windies who outplayed England and really deserved this victory. Perversely this defeat has probably done England a favour - as everything seemed to be too easy this season? A psychological 'kick in the butt' will do them some good and eliminate any future complacency. It's the nature of T20 cricket that unexpected results occur. It's still been a marvelous show from England and I for one have really appreciated the past 3 months. Oh and don't forget earlier this year and the wonderful Ashes series........ COME ON ENGLAND!!!

  • on September 25, 2011, 20:56 GMT

    Wow good win ...Congrats W.I...

  • Chirs-Cry on September 25, 2011, 21:01 GMT

    Does that suggest West Indies are better than India ? or Perhaps just a lucky day ?

  • AriGold on September 25, 2011, 21:03 GMT

    Morale of the story/game: West indies are far better than India :)