West Indies in England 2012

Narine replaces injured Roach

Andrew McGlashan

May 30, 2012

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Kemar Roach celebrates the wicket of Andrew Strauss, England v West Indies, 1st Test, Lord's, 4th day, May 20, 2012
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Kemar Roach has been ruled out of the remainder of West Indies' tour of England with a shin injury and Sunil Narine, the spinner who is uncapped at Test level, has been named as his replacement.

Narine has just finished competing in the IPL* where he enjoyed considerable success for the winners, Kolkata Knight Riders, with 24 wickets at 13.50 and an economy rate of 5.47 from 15 matches. On hearing the news, an elated Narine said that he wants to be mentally and physically prepared for the task.

"When I got the call for the Test series...words can't explain how I felt at that moment. The dream was always to play Test cricket and I'm halfway there," Narine said. "I did well in the West Indies and I did well in India, but the pitches and conditions in England are different, so as a bowler you have to take your time to get ready and prepared."

Narine has played eight ODIs and two Twenty20 internationals, while his first-class cricket he has 34 wickets from six matches at 11.88. Narine has caught the eye with a variety of deliveries to put him in the 'mystery' category of offspinner and was expected to be named in the squad for the one-day series against England.

Roach, who has been West Indies' stand-out pace bowler during the Test series, was diagnosed with the injury following the second Test at Trent Bridge which the visitors lost by nine wickets to give England the series. He has been carrying soreness during most of the tour - and has spent time off the field during both matches - and will now aim to be fit for the visit of New Zealand.

West Indies coach Ottis Gibson admitted Roach was a major loss but said the decision was taken with a long-term view in mind. "We still have an awful lot of cricket to play this year and we did not want to risk losing as valuable a player as Kemar for a long period," he said.

"He has been outstanding with the ball for us so far this year and we are all gutted by his departure. Kemar made a lot of improvements, after enduring a tough time last year, and gave us some world-class performances during the series against Australia and here in England."

C.J. Clark, the West Indies physiotherapist, added: "Kemar has been carrying this soreness for the last two matches and in view of our upcoming schedule, we would like him to have the time to recover and prevent the onset of a more serious injury. It is always important to balance workload with the body's ability to repair, and I think it judicious to protect Kemar at this time."

During the first two Tests Roach bowled 68 overs to take eight wickets at 34.25 although he bowled better than the average suggests. At Trent Bridge he roughed up Jonny Bairstow with a series of rapid bouncers before having him caught at mid-on off a leading edge. However, he also suffered major problems with no-balls and twice had Alastair Cook caught behind off illegal deliveries before recovering his rhythm on the third day.

Roach is the second West Indies pace bowler to leave the tour following Shannon Gabriel's withdrawal after making his debut at Lord's. Gabriel was replaced by Tino Best who arrived shortly before the second Test.

West Indies have a two-day tour match against Leicestershire, starting on Saturday, to prepare for the final Test at Edgbaston and Gibson said Best and Fidel Edwards, who played at Lord's, will have a chance to stake a claim for a recall.

"We believe that a very excited Tino and a fit-again Fidel will be able to provide us with the spark that we will miss from Roach's absence," he said. "We still have an awful lot for which to play in the final Test, and Tino and Fidel can give us the cutting edge to our bowling if they play."

* 06:30 GMT, May 31, 2012 The story has been edited to remove a reference that suggested Narine had opted to play in the IPL over concurrent international series.

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Posted by essky on (June 2, 2012, 15:45 GMT)

@MrPontingToYou, I wasn't trying to suggest that at all,only that instead of utilising him in the dead rubber, use him when it counts. I can't justify it with reasoning, so I'll endorse silence. With the ODI's coming maybe it's just to get him accustomed to the conditions. He also seems to have a good attitude toward his success, that he is now starting and still has a lot of work to do, so I look forward to seeing him play Tests in the future.

Posted by stewe on (June 2, 2012, 15:15 GMT)

lets go narine spin ur web around those englishmen...

Posted by stewe on (June 2, 2012, 14:44 GMT)

narine wil NOT play in the third test...he has played in england once befoe and that was when he was 16 yrs old...if they had intentions of playin him in the third test he would have been gettin acclimatized in the warm up game at liecestershire and not playing domestic t20 cricket in trinidad for his local side QueensPark as we speak...he is in the squad to gain test dressing room experience for the newzealand series....

Posted by kunderanengineer on (June 2, 2012, 13:00 GMT)

Great to hear Narine included in the team but sorry at the same time to know that it's at the expense of Roach. In English conditions Roach (no-balls and all) is indispensable although there is always room for a world class spinner on any wicket. The question is whether Narine has reached or is on his way to reaching that status. Well what better way to find out than including him in the squad?.

Posted by   on (June 2, 2012, 12:22 GMT)

What people like Rollindice & landl47 don't understand is that before 2011 our bowling attack was not a effective as it is now! Rampaul had 4 wickets or something like that @ an average of over 100 runs. Yes check the stats , they dont lie. However since 2011 our top order has continuously been failing. Our top order is a big joke. even Bangladesh is getting better starts than us now. in the warm up match against a county team going on now again we lost 2 wickets before we had 30 runs on the board. That is not the sort of start we should be settling for. Bharat, Powell, Edwards & co need to spend some more time in the A team as It is extremely obvious that the current top order is not ready for International cricket especially in foreign conditions.. If we bring back Gayle & Sarwan it is higly unlikely that they will do any worse. Boycott , Holding, Warne, Atherton, All the experts have observed that our top order is sub par & yet Gibson insists on being foolhardy & stubborn.

Posted by   on (June 2, 2012, 1:16 GMT)

WI needs an infusion of experienced players....... Please make the change

Posted by Dav1daKing on (June 1, 2012, 17:33 GMT)

With the next match a dead rubber, i'll suggest playing the players that are out of form as a kind of audition to see if any will make the test squad for NZ. i would love to see chris back as well for the final test but that seems far fetched. Rest the players who are already sure picks for the NZ test and audition the rest. so my preferred team for the last test: 1.Barrath, 2. Fudadin, 3.K. Edwards, 4.D.M.Bravo, 5,Powell, 6.Deonarine, 7.Ramdin, 8.Rampaul, 9.Narine, 10.F.Edwards, 11.Best.

Posted by MrPontingToYou on (June 1, 2012, 17:26 GMT)

@ essky, are you suggesting that narine be a one series wonder like mendis? then everyone will figure him out and thats it? top class spin bowlers have never been completely figured out, they always have their tricks, and ability, warne, murali, quadir, beshi... etc. narine should play and get a little experience in these conditions, against a top quality batting line up, with no pressure to perform.

Posted by Rollindice on (June 1, 2012, 16:23 GMT)

I fully agree with you landl47, why is it everyone calling for the old WI players who have been losing for many years ,hoping that them returning to the side will bring victories and balance????????? and you can't expect the youngers (openers) to get off to good starts everytime, they are young and will learn in time to come, just like how Chris Gayle & Sarwan did,WI gave them PLENTY of time but they never turned anything around, that 2nd test was wide open,anything could've happened, and it so happens that england took our openers,in any match once your openers are gone for such low scores, more than likely it'll be hard on the guy down the order in Test matches, i wonder how ppl would feel if Gayle returns for ODIs and made some ducks.......think about that

Posted by   on (June 1, 2012, 14:44 GMT)

How come Andrew McGlashan does not know that Narine was the Player Of The Series 2012, just concluded!!

Posted by essky on (June 1, 2012, 14:36 GMT)

@MrPontingToYou disagree on the Narine, reserve his mystery for a series that would count. with Edwards current form I think he needs to regroup, not after one bad game like Bishoo (ridiculous), but he is in the same form as Keith Arthurton at his worst, so use one of the openers at your disposal at three. Simmons, Barath, Powell, whoever else, Australia did it with Boon, so why not? at least until Edwards is back in form, or maybe forever if whoever really clicks.

Posted by Silva-Surfa on (June 1, 2012, 12:40 GMT)

Narine would be a welcome boost indeed, all the more so as Roach has gone home injured. He looks a promising bowler, with good control and abit of mystery. But maybe that's because he's a unknown quantity and nobody can really read him yet, but his potential-skills will be welcome in test matches. Even if he was to become a top test-match spinner, it doesn't hide the fact that the Windies batting line-up, has been a major liability, due to the lack of experience, technique and capability to play each ball on it's merits. With the exception of Chanderpaul, Samuels has come good in this series and Sammy has worked on his batting, the rest have been exposed to poor shot-selection in English conditions. Barath, Bravo and Ramdin got starts at Lords, Powell in the 1st inns at Trent Bridge, but haven't learned from their mistakes. With the series gone as expected, might as well see what Deonarine and Fudadin can bring to the table.

Posted by MrPontingToYou on (June 1, 2012, 10:57 GMT)

would be a good idea to play narine, the series is over as predicted, and the lack of pressure in this match would be ideal for him to make his debut. but expecting the selectors to do something logical is something one should never do, after all these same selectors brought best back into the team, and then talk about the future and grooming young players. meanwhile talents lack russell, and even bravo are completely ignored. with everyone fit, the test team should look like this... gayle, barath, edwards, bravo, chanders, samuels, ramdin, russell, rampaul, roach, narine..... squad players, nash, powell, bravo, shillingford, gabriel

Posted by anver777 on (June 1, 2012, 10:15 GMT)

Like to see him bowling some long spells like Murali & taking rich haul of wickets !!!!!

Posted by SuperSharky on (June 1, 2012, 6:57 GMT)

It will not be the first time that WI selectors shoots it's fan in the foot. They've got problems and won't find it as easy as other countries to come up with their best eleven. Sammy is still relatively young, maybe not the most experienced, but I've seen him come up with creative solutions for situations. In fact, Sammy is in his best nick or form ever. His taking important wickets and despite his 100, since the last series, his got a very good batting average. To me Sammy's best ability is the way he keeps the West Indies as cool heads. Usually they lost their temper way more easier. Sammy is not the problem, cause he is in good nick, he is open for change, and he sticks positively with any team that the selectors give him. Otis Gibson learned a lot in county cricket and he is the best man to hand that knowledge and experience to his country men. The problem is that they strive for unity during problems. The selectors needs to be changed.

Posted by simonviller on (June 1, 2012, 6:00 GMT)

Every time I visit this forum I encounter so many negative comments mainly about two individuals [ Gibson ,Sammy ] . It's strange how in the absence of reason ,how some choose to find a" fall- person " . Had WI top four,or the rest of the team for that matter , perform to standard , the whole situation would have been different and Sammy would appear as competent as any other captain . "One can take ox to the water, but one cannot make it drink" . Looking at some of the shot selections of of a few guys ,at crucial points in the game ,one could safely assume that ,neither the coach or any other would have instilled such in any player . It's not a lack of talent in WI team ,but lack of application that's their greatest problem,so please spread the blame around guys .

Posted by AKS286 on (June 1, 2012, 5:36 GMT)

@fans haha WI will loose the third test match in a same fashion. FANS will shout if naraine & roach bowls together then Eng wili definately loose this match, if gayle, nariane, roach will be together then This & THAT. the result will be same Eng top 4 are best batsmen for spin. but i also want the rest of batsmen as well as bowler. Strauss, suppiah, kp, taylor, bairstow, kiesweitter,yardy/clarke, bresnan, tredwell, onion, finn. don't worry WI will loose in similar fashion. i wonder what happen if Leicester take 10-15 wickets of WI. what happen if shivy rested. hahahaha

Posted by   on (June 1, 2012, 5:33 GMT)

if this team wants to make an impact in an important tour they must sink their differences and get the best and most experienced players into the team.Where is Gayle,Bravo,Sarwan,Taylor and Pollard.Atleast Narine has been called into the squad.Come WI we want you to beat the POMS get your best team out to topple these guys

Posted by   on (June 1, 2012, 4:23 GMT)

Any good bowler W I come up with will likely fall by the way due to over use. of course one of the reason for the over use of Roach is that WI was playing a bowler short. Sammy is a tat better than a make shift bowler, and he is not a wise captain, not a great fielder, and in spite of the ton he made last match, he is not a good batsman. He is a good liability to WI cricket.

Posted by Vilander on (May 31, 2012, 23:01 GMT)

i see Naraine spinning webs around English cricketers..hehe lots of fun ahead.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 22:11 GMT)

This is really sad news. As was confirmed by Shiv in his infamous interview, the focus of this fitness programme is gym work. So much so that he was unable to hold his bat. This approach is wrong. Its running and lots of it that cricketers need, especially the fast bowlers. Gym work is for strengthening not for getting fit, this is not a body building contest.

As for the selection of Narine, it again shows exactly why the WICB must lobby for an IPL window. No other sport makes this trade-off between country representation and personal gain. Diamond leagues takes a break even for National trials, FIFA makes break for International friendlies, etc. Its a measure of the vintage thinking of cricket administrators, including the ICC.

While I wish Narine well, I see no point in rushing to play him in this test match. Are we done with Shillingford? Have we just given Tino a free flight again? Cant see three fast bowlers plus sammy so there will be a choice between Edwards and Best! So what?

Posted by Dav1daKing on (May 31, 2012, 21:58 GMT)

All this talk about "when we were 8th", but we keep forgetting that the only reason we are 7th is because NZ has played less matches than W.I, they have a better win ratio than us they just hasn't played the amount of games to be ahead of us with their ratio!!!

Posted by NAZMO-CRICKFANN on (May 31, 2012, 21:19 GMT)

SHOULD MARLON SAMUELS BE GROOMED AS THE FUTURE WEST INDIES CAPTAIN ?

Posted by SoLucien on (May 31, 2012, 20:37 GMT)

I am glad that Narine is getting a chance to prove himself at test level but i have to say that Shillingford and Bishoo must feel hard done and discouraged by this developement. They have been summarily pushed aside with being given a chance to grow and develope. I think Narine should join the team but sit on the bench and give one of these another chance to make a mark. He can have a go a NZ in the Cbean. Please lets not use the IPL is the standard by which we judge the quality of a player, wish him and the team all the success whatever happens

Posted by essky on (May 31, 2012, 20:28 GMT)

@Rally_Windies - I was thinking I am the only one who misses Logie. Did so much with so little. @Richard Moriah - exactly, why now? The pitch for the third test will take absolutely no spin now that Narine is chosen. @whoever said Ritchie was a good leader, I have to disagree, he was poor as hell and his tactics were on par with Sammy's. I want Sunil to play tests but I don't think this is the time, in a dead rubber, in the most home friendly conditions? Why not wait for NZ in west Indies? Even if Narine takes 20 wickets, Tino and Fidel would have given away so many runs we'll still lose.

Posted by WI_anaylst on (May 31, 2012, 18:43 GMT)

yes lets bring back Gayle and Sarwan into the West Indies team and we will be a force to be reckoned with once again when they return...oh wait that's a lie ...those same players were playing for WI when we were 8th in the ICC rankings...stop trying to pretend there is some quick fix for this solution...those same senior players were just as inconsistent as these youngsters...the only difference is..they did not even seem to care

Posted by Indian_Looser on (May 31, 2012, 18:38 GMT)

yeah!! I wanna see now what he'll do against in the "real cricket" v No:1 test team in the world..

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 18:34 GMT)

What happened to Mr. Gayle..? Is he in the 3rd Test..?

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 18:29 GMT)

@Gizza Narine is an off spin bowler lol------ Narine is a great prospect but should not play in the next test unless it looks like its going to be a ripper "which is impossible at this time in england'. He should be rested and is test debut should be against the kiwis when the tour the caribbean

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 18:12 GMT)

my Xi fr WI for coming YEARS

Gayle9must) Ganga(as captain)/L Simmons/Barath - rotation Sarwan(must) Chander(Must) D J Bravo(m) Samuels (m) Ramdin/baugh - rotation

Sammy Narine Roach Edwards/Rampaul

12 13 14 shane shllingford kirk edwards d m bravi

Posted by nicksti on (May 31, 2012, 18:00 GMT)

West Indies will struggle to put a good test side out there anytime soon. Test cricket is dying anyway since the shorter format is much more popular.

The West Indies have the players to excel in the shorter format.

Gayle, Barath or Simmons, Bravo(s), Samuels, Sammy, Pollard, Roach, Narine, Rampaul, Baugh (Give Shane Dowrich a try).

Gayle, Bravo, Samuels, Pollard are occassional bowlers so we would have bowling for days.

Posted by cricketlover67 on (May 31, 2012, 17:52 GMT)

I think that the WI cricket board should be remove coz they are doing a poor job.Gayle, Sarawan, Bravo,Nash and Taylor should be included in the team.The WICB seems to have a vendetta against some players this is is unacceptible could someone please tell the WI tail enders that you have and accomplish bastman at one end they job is just to defend not act like they are stroke pKennylayers so as to add more to the score. Kenny

Posted by yorkshirematt on (May 31, 2012, 17:46 GMT)

@randyoz I can take your hilarious musings about England but what I can NOT stand as a yorkshireman is you having a go at one of our own for no reason.

Posted by AKS286 on (May 31, 2012, 17:20 GMT)

now FANS are having reason and excuse for the third test defeat.

Posted by ProdigyA on (May 31, 2012, 16:59 GMT)

@kiwirocker - dont worry all the second rate batsmen are in Pak rite now.

Posted by big_al_81 on (May 31, 2012, 16:53 GMT)

Narine had an excellent IPL until the final where he took a real pasting and had no impact (except to maintain CSK's run rate). It's a bold move and a good one I think for the WI as he's got some potential. But that's it right now - potential. Never played a Test. Has he ever played in England? It'll be different to the pitches that have helped him in India. It'll be even more different in terms of the opposition. IPL is a mix of many very, very average Indian players, ageing stars and only a sprinkling of proper quality. Fun, but nothing like the test that a Test match offers.

Posted by AMowlana on (May 31, 2012, 16:44 GMT)

Its foolish to see people naming the WI eleven to win. Their problem is they are down and out mentally and the winning belief is gone with the wind. Sorry to say , the windies will always be bride's maid, never the bride in world cricket. Th WI cricket team management on and off field need to get them the mental confidence. At the moment no one of them seem to have a clue. I am an ardent WI fan since 70s but fact has to be spoken, the present team are spineless. Tony Greig said in a series in 70s that he will make WI grovel when Lloyd's WI toured England after getting a 5-1 thrasing in Australia. But that sparked the WI and they went on to be a great team for over decade. Dont expect this anymore from WI team.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 16:09 GMT)

It is very sad to see the state of WI cricket these days and having Gibson as coach is not making things any easier. But the first change should be to replace the current WICB members starting with Hilaire. I am not convince that Sammy should be the captain either even though he made some runs and took a few wickets in the last match. To win matches you should play your best team and we are not currently playing our best team. As you can see our top order is very fragile and needs to be strengthen by the addition of Gayle and Sarwan. By doing this you will be reducing the pressure on Chandrapaul and there will also be a mixture of youth and experience to balance the team. I also believe that Dwayne Bravo should be in the team in place of Sammy but since he is the captain he won't be dropped. My test XI for the last test would be Gayle,Barath, Sarwan,Bravo, Chanderpaul,Samuels,Ramdin, Sammy,Rampaul,Edwards, Narine. I pick Barath ahead of Powell because his batting technique is better.

Posted by big_al_81 on (May 31, 2012, 16:06 GMT)

@neerajprasher and @ Muhammad Ibrahim. Assertions don't become true just because you make them confidently. In the last 7 years England have played 50 matches at home and 40 away. Mystery spin is a recent (and slightly mythical) invention in the wake of Warne and Murali who were both all-time greats. None of the recent crop are close to emulating them yet and will probably never be. To say England have 'always' been poor against mystery spinners is just lazy generalisation. You're probably referring to the UAE disaster in which Rehman, hardly a mystery, also proved too much for several batsmen who had been out of cricket for 6 months.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 15:59 GMT)

ENgland bowlers are SUPERIOR because their knowledge of conditions and approach is better. It is not PACE they are looking for. They are looking for SWING and TURN. Their plan is to CONFUSE the batsmen ,THROW off their concentration goal and CAPTURE their wicket.....nice and easy..... using the air.

On the other hand West Indian bowlers are not paying attention to the weather conditions and how it affects their bowling. As a result they are suffering with long spells few wickets or bowlers leaking runs through waywide wides & short balls and Straight forward balls....

Bowlers must take time to adjust speed and get the same thing England gets SWING & TURN ...like Anderson, Broad, Bresnan.

West Indian frontline players are playing SCHOOL cricket.... change them around.

Open with # 5 and continue up to #11....then start with #1 - #4

Posted by Sinhaya on (May 31, 2012, 15:45 GMT)

Good luck Sunil Narine and hope you excel in tests always! But why not have Gayle as well??? Surely!

Posted by Rally_Windies on (May 31, 2012, 15:40 GMT)

@ KiwiRocker Narine has played ODI's against India in India and flumoxed practically the Test team.. those were not second rate Indian Batsmen ...That is why they bought him for US$700,000.

and he had 1st class games for T&T before going to the IPL and took 32 wickets in 3 games at an average of 11.. with a strike rate of 34...

yes the WI batsmen are weak against spin.... but those returns still puts him miles ahead of Benn and Shillingford....

Posted by Rally_Windies on (May 31, 2012, 15:36 GMT)

@ Emanuel Cummings...

you do know that Ottis Gibson was short listed against Gus Logie for the position of Coach and Gibson got the the job ahead of him ?

I don't know what Gibson's credentials are to beat out Gus? considering Gus was interim coach for 1 year and won the ICC champions trophy .. with Gayle, Sarawan , and Correy Collymore, Bradshaw and all the players that Gibson does not want....

Gibson's team is actually much stronger than Logie's was.... Logie did not have, Roach, Rampaul, Narine, Doenarine, Nikita Miller or Darren Bravo available to him. Samuels was still on ban.

Hey the Bermuda team is 1000 times more unprofessional and lazy than the WI.. but Logie man managed them well.

And Logie also was coach of the WI under 19 team that won the U19 World Cup...

What was Gibson? England's Bowling(Interim) Coach for about 1 year? That is it ?

Logie was a excellent fielder and an underachieving Test batsman, and T&T captain.

How did Gibson get that job?

Posted by Empty-Sequence on (May 31, 2012, 15:36 GMT)

Sunil Narine looks like a Serious talent. Would love to see him bowl in Test matches especially in English conditions. @KiwiRocker- No matter how much u brag about Ajmal he'll still remain a mediocre bowler with a jerky action who can only perform in slow low dead rubber, much like Bhajji and he'll never be as good as swann. By the way i can make out why are so jealous seeing a 10 years younger mysterious spinner.

Posted by Technical-1 on (May 31, 2012, 15:31 GMT)

Waste of time bringing in Narine! These Bandits trying to win a dead rubber so they can postulate their egocentricity! Specially that Clown Hilaire! Arrogant grunt.

Whoever laon this idiot an PHD should be beaten with sorrows!

Posted by RandyOZ on (May 31, 2012, 14:58 GMT)

Big blow for the Windies, very disappointing. Was looking forward to seeing their next big thing, Bairstow, fail once again to a short ball. What's happened to Bishoo?

Posted by FUBU05 on (May 31, 2012, 14:55 GMT)

Gayle,Sarwan,Darren Bravo,Dwayne Bravo,Marlon Samuels,Chanderpaul,Sammy,Ramdin,Taylor,Narine,Rampaul

Anil, this is a fantastic team on paper and I certainly think it is the most powerful Westindies 11 in terms of personnel at the moment. Personally i would have Roach in for Taylor. But who do you suggest are the specialist openers, Gayle and Sarwan? team has a nice balance. depth with the batting, 2 out and out quicks and2 all rounders in Sammy and Dwayne Bravo. And of course a world class spinner in Narine with both Gayle and Samuels capable of turning their arm if the situaton calls for it. This team is certainly capable of getting 20 wickets in a test match.

Posted by Rally_Windies on (May 31, 2012, 14:30 GMT)

can we get an injury on Kirk, Barath or Powell ?

Kirk made 8 runs in 4 innings .....

the tail enders are doing better.

Rampual or Roach could get promoted up the order ahead of him.

Posted by simonviller on (May 31, 2012, 14:01 GMT)

Why not Taylor for Best ?? Are you looking at things logically ,or sentimentally ? Where and when was the last time Taylor played competitive cricket ? This is 5 day test cricket and would be a good way to end his career for good . Best deserves another try ,since he has been consistantly fit and performing well . Why keep calling the guy up ,then to let him down every time ,he might just be the one to do the job

Posted by BurningBright on (May 31, 2012, 13:40 GMT)

Anil Harry: Agree.Mayybeeee one more bowler somehow?

Posted by playerskills on (May 31, 2012, 13:38 GMT)

Ludacris really people are still talking about Gayle, Sarwan and Taylor. Gayle is not interested in test cricket (and one only has to wait until he finally comes out and retire from it which i am sure the WICB will get blamed for by these supposed WI fans on this site). Sarwan is happy not playing for west indies and made it clear he will not leave Leichester for West Indies regardless of who is in charge or is captain and Taylor has not played for Jamaica in first class cricket in awhile. Why do people keep insisting on these people being included in the team? Perhaps Hilaire should just bend over backwards ask them to come back let west indies get trashed like they have been trashed over the past 10 years with theses same players included in the team so that they can go on strike and whatever else WIPA wants them to do and let WI cricket just die, so that these people can just shut up and stop commenting on what they think they know about WI cricket.

Posted by StatisticsRocks on (May 31, 2012, 13:33 GMT)

This is bad and also very sad.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 13:28 GMT)

yea sunil now's ur turn to shine in england n prove u r a permanent playey in the west indies. P.S why the hell is gayle in jamaica n not in england. can someone answer dat 4 me. ok i understand ur not playin in d test but y not in the one days atleast n d 20/20's or r u goin to retire like peterson did n focus on 20/20 league games

Posted by fxwolfie on (May 31, 2012, 13:14 GMT)

I fully endorse the post of vrn59.In addition Mr.Gibson should be replaced as coach and also Sammy as captain so he can focus on his batting and bowling even more.I would also like to know of Gayle's position since I am of the opinion that the reason for his continuing omission is Gibson and the selectors. Its amazing that people would sacrifice West Indies cricket just to prove a point. We are also seeing the mistake of omitting Sarwan. Keep up the work guys and see what would become of West Indies cricket.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 13:09 GMT)

Poor team selection has now among other things left the west indies in shambles.What is the purpose of Narine now after the series is lost and on a pitch that won't turn and unpredictable English conditions to which he has not acclimatized? What about the top order...???? Can't win when the first 4 batsmen aren't capable of scoring 50 runs betwen them!!!!

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 13:07 GMT)

i don:t believe first at all Sammy is a bad captain (2) we need drop Kirk Edwards & Adrian Barath Denesh Ramdin need to go home to what is all this Gayle saga cause will have to leave soon west indies cricket will go on why is sammy a bad captain we look at postive we all have some young bowler johnson from windwards let give him try in 20/20 we wait till to late lose him.I;m West Indian well always back them no matter what wavell & holding need to stop be bias for they country men we all so need good wicket keeper all them failing go W.I we win one day series & 20/20 don;t forget we have big gun

Posted by landl47 on (May 31, 2012, 12:48 GMT)

All those clamoring for Gayle and Sarwan need to look at these stats. Tests in England: Gayle- played 11, won 1, drawn 1, lost 9. Sarwan- played 11, won 0, drawn 2, lost 9. In the one test Gayle played in that WI won (which was his first in England, in 2000), he had one innings and scored.... wait for it.... 0. Between them, over a period stretching back to 2000, neither has made a contribution to a WI win. The last series in which they played, in 2009, WI lost by 10 wickets and an innings, bigger defeats than they've suffered in the first two tests here. These guys are not the answer to the WI problems. As for those still calling for Sammy to be dropped after his heroic fight in the last test, do you actually watch cricket, or do you just read the results? The ONLY chance the WI has to be a power again is to forget guys like Gayle and Sarwan and concentrate on players who really care, starting with Sammy.

Posted by Beertjie on (May 31, 2012, 12:45 GMT)

Very well written, @vrn59! Those are definitely the most sensible options available, but precisely because they are, they WON'T be taken.

Posted by joebee on (May 31, 2012, 11:52 GMT)

If Chris Gayle who has indicated his availabilty is there in the West indies Team for the 3rd & final test on 7th June and Sunil Narine also finds a place in the playing eleven , the West Indies may atleast be able to salvage a draw if not win the mtach and regain some lost prestige. It is difficult to understand how Sarawan does not figure inthis important series. Hopefully a strong team will be selected for the One dayers and the Windies win it as also the 20-20 one off match .

Posted by JG2704 on (May 31, 2012, 11:36 GMT)

@neerajprasher on (May 31 2012, 09:45 AM GMT) Can you actually verify that with facts and figures or are you just trying to have a dig , regardless of the truth?

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 11:31 GMT)

@neerajprasher dream on my friend.I am not an England fan but i dont see Australias batting last long against Anderson , Broad and Swann.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 11:25 GMT)

In reply to Arron, the nightmare comment was more out of sarcasm and irony, because they don't seem to have the aggression of back then. And i was only expressing what Hussain has said in the past about that particular spell in 2004 was some of the most intimidating he'd ever faced. It wasn't a criticism of the english batsman, how could i possibly do that after the final result in that match?.. Well it looks like Narine will play at Edgbaston, seeing as Shillingford got the confidence knocked out of him. Possible 11: Barath, Powell, Darren Bravo, Samuels, Chanderpaul, Deonarine, Ramdin, Sammy, Rampaul, Narine, Edwards/Best. And who knows, Fudadin might get a game as well, he can't do any worse that's for sure.

Posted by delboy on (May 31, 2012, 11:21 GMT)

Regarding the Sammy issue. The WI have created the precedence whereby they support the myth that the best player in their team should be the captain. Captaincy is about leadership. Since Clive Lloyd, only Richie Richardson , Jimmy Adams, Courtney to some extent and now Sammy has shown that they know how to lead. Very few top players can maintain their own high personal performances when thrust into leadership. Unfortunately Sammy like Jimmy has taken the reigns at a time when they need to prove their position more than focus on the primary roles of leadership while the others around them do what they are selected to do. Sammy will continue to struggle to prove other wrong instead of just making a strong contribution. Sir Viv, Lara and Shiv are not leadership material and should have NEVER been allowed to skew the situation.

Posted by noplay on (May 31, 2012, 11:07 GMT)

Oh my. Coack Gibson really does have a way with words. "Awful lot of cric ket coming up...." lol

Posted by delboy on (May 31, 2012, 11:04 GMT)

Is the priority here to save the inevitable BLACK WASH in the test series or ensure that WI pick to best available team for the subsequent one days series and have their MYSTERY bowler uninjured; come the world cup? If Narine becomes the next casualty in the third test (weather permitting) will Shillingford just have to step up to the mark, or will an SOS go out to Benn? I thought we would see K Edwards sent home, and Barath being allowed to join the A team tour. Since the board still do not want Gayle involved they have two options 1. Get Simmons in to open with Powell 2. Get Devon Smith to dust off his jockstrap and replace Barath. EXPERTS (pigeon holers) have remarked time and time again how TEST players with history behind them are unable to switch from T20 mode, what makes Narine; who lacks test experience so special.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 11:02 GMT)

sunil narrayn will be next ajantha mendis....

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 10:30 GMT)

Gayle,Sarwan,Darren Bravo,Dwayne Bravo,Marlon Samuels,Chanderpaul,Sammy,Ramdin,Taylor,Narine,Rampaul

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 10:28 GMT)

When are we going to find a new captain and coach to replace Sammy and Gibson. They are affecting the progress of West Indies Cricket

Posted by Slemo on (May 31, 2012, 10:16 GMT)

Sarwan made two little century in a first class match and everybody callling for his return. Look at the innings he played after the two century....At least 4 or 6...he cant score nothing. Sarwan need to man up...he aint ready yet.

Posted by KiwiRocker- on (May 31, 2012, 10:12 GMT)

Sunil Narine does not have a special mystery like Saeed Ajmal or clever variations with classic action that Swann posesses...I am a great fan of West Indian cricket but I am afraid Sunil Narine has been over hyped as he played IPL and was sucessful against medicore Indian batsmen who are useless against spin bowlers..Saeed Ajmal has owned Tendulya...I am afriad, it is not a good decision to throw this chap in as likes of Strauss and Cook will have him for lunch..Sunil Narine has been seen, measured and soon found out and will disappear bit like India's so called R.Ashwin who was taken to cleaners by Pakistani batsmen in Asia cup!

Posted by satish619chandar on (May 31, 2012, 9:52 GMT)

Narine will be a very good addition and he can get Cook and Bell i predict.> Especially Bell easily.. But never wished he would replace Roach.. What a bad time to get injured.. He was bowling very well and causing problem to almost everyone bowling full throttle every spell.. Surely the fans will miss him this tour.. His replacement?? Fidel??

Posted by neerajprasher on (May 31, 2012, 9:45 GMT)

England is not a stronger team.Most of the times they play test at home.Australia will smash england in upcoming series. .

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 9:29 GMT)

england have always been poor against mystery spinners so i wouldn't be surprised if he runs through their batting.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 9:15 GMT)

well @richardror hopefully we'll see but my money's on gayle, who is very adaptable (scored 333 after returning from a 20/20 tourney), also he could hit the best of them......bowling to him would be vastlydifferent than bowling to anyone we have on tour now.

Posted by vrn59 on (May 31, 2012, 9:13 GMT)

Terrible news for the West Indies; their only bowler in good form is now gone! Fidel Edwards and Ravi Rampaul should take the new ball now, with Darren Sammy coming in at first change and Sunil Narine replacing Shane Shillingford as the spinner. Kirk Edwards seems to have no technique, confidence or form, and must be dropped immediately, though I think influenza would prevent him from playing anyway. Marlon Samuels should be promoted up the order to No. 3 and his spot should be taken by Narsingh Deonarine, who is in good batting nick and also provides an additional bowling option, as Samuels shouldn't be overburdened with bowling once he's been promoted to the top order. I don't know if Asad Fudadin can open, but I might consider trying him out there, though that might end up in him having the worst possible Test debut. If only Chris Gayle and Ramnaresh Sarwan were picked, WI would be a much stronger force. I back England to finish the series 3-0.

Posted by 777aditya on (May 31, 2012, 9:09 GMT)

what about Chris Gayle? now, they have stopped even mentioning his name (ala Lord Voldemort)

Posted by rydberg on (May 31, 2012, 8:42 GMT)

narine shouldnt be rushed into test squad, suleiman benn would have been a better option as he has a bit pf experience

Posted by EdwinD on (May 31, 2012, 8:31 GMT)

Strange how the WICB have brought up injury management as issues for not picking Gayle or Taylor but can't seem to manage their prize assets like Roach or Gabriel.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 8:28 GMT)

Only chance for Windies is to play 5 bowlers including Sammy. I really hope Sammy will bat at no 6. May be the WICB is confident of another injury and then they will bring in Gayle. LOL

Posted by WildAmigo on (May 31, 2012, 8:19 GMT)

Bishoo and Narine should be played in all three formats together and is the only case where WI can win matches.

Posted by richardror on (May 31, 2012, 8:18 GMT)

Chris Gayle wouldn't last five overs vs the England seamers (best in the world). He's too used to IPL

Posted by JG2704 on (May 31, 2012, 7:45 GMT)

Not really seen Narine. He was among the usual suspects re who would make a huge difference to team WI and was the only player who I felt was purely an unknown quantity. He could do special things if all the comms are correct so I wait and see. Sorry for Roache - tough on both him and WI. As for Gayle - regardless of whether he would make a huge difference which I am sceptical of - can anyone confirm that he definitely is up for playing tests for WI ?

Posted by mukesh_LOVE.cricket on (May 31, 2012, 7:30 GMT)

kemar roach injured ! there goes WI last hope of making any sort of comeback in last test

Posted by lyl67 on (May 31, 2012, 7:30 GMT)

I believe Narine is the most promising spinner I have seen for years, I hope he is selected and have a good test not miracles just a good debut. Definite record breaker in years to come.

Posted by Philippe on (May 31, 2012, 7:25 GMT)

I wish narine to be successful in all formats of game.. he is a good bowler & bowls with lot of wit.. he will touch good heights in cricket.. its wonderful to watch his bowling always.. unlike other negative approach bowlers like harbhajan singh, shakib al hasan.. he is pretty accurate & courageous.. all the best.. & do well for WI..

Posted by SuperSharky on (May 31, 2012, 7:18 GMT)

@Harvey Gangadeen : Read the sentence again. You and McGlashan speaks of the same fact. Narine played IPL INSTEAD of the home Tests. Nobody said that he was picked for a home-Test or any Test.

Posted by SomersetJord on (May 31, 2012, 7:13 GMT)

Re: Harvey Gangadeen - Actually Harvey the statement is totally correct, he wasn't selected as he had specifically made himself unavailable for selection, opting instead to play in the IPL. If he had made himself available there is every chance he may have been picked, you may want to check your facts next time.

Posted by FazleAbed on (May 31, 2012, 7:11 GMT)

West Indies is really fascinating team to watch. but sometimes their way of playing cricket is really shocking. Recently they all out scoring 60 against Bangladesh. Again they have players like gayle, Bravo Brothers, Russel, Sami, Chandrapaul, Roach, Shillingford, Narine, Jerome, Sarwan, Marlon, Edwards, Smith and many more interesting players. They should be in top 5 in all three formats. Teams like Bangladesh, Ireland, and Zimbabwe doesn't have that much quality individuals. It is really shame for the cricket that West Indies are not winning enough. It will be nice to watch them winning against England in this away series. But England is a very good team, best in test. I believe they nees Warne as their coach. & i am sure they will do well in Australia / New Zealand 2015 world cup if they appoint Warne as their coach. & Sahara should sponsor them rather Bangladesh

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 6:33 GMT)

The biggest mystery remains the selection policy of the WICB. I am confident Narine will be succesful in test cricket

Posted by Haleos on (May 31, 2012, 6:32 GMT)

where is Gayle? Why is he not selected. It seems WICB is more concerned about it's ego than WI cricket.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 6:04 GMT)

westindies also need gayle and saewan in their top order

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 5:57 GMT)

'Narine has just finished competing in the IPL - which he opted to play in instead of the Test series against Australia and England'...Get it right McGlashan, Narine was never given a contract nor selected by the WIBC for the home Tests against Aussie or against England. That is an outright error in your report and such statements can lead to serious repercussions these days in West Indies cricket.

Posted by The_bowlers_Holding on (May 31, 2012, 5:54 GMT)

I watched him against Australia in ODI's and was very impressed, didn't watch the IPL as the silly uniforms give me a migraine so lets see what he can do at Edgbaston if picked. It's a shame Roach is injured as he can be a great new ball bowler and England will miss the 25 runs from extras,

Posted by rallyotto on (May 31, 2012, 5:27 GMT)

i thought they were having problems with their top 4!....wonder why gayle wasnt rushed like this to england? guess he is not worth the inexperience of a sunil narine!

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 5:17 GMT)

Windies selection policy is so bad and biased that coz of it windies team is suffering...wen the players like gayle,dwayne bravo,deonaraine are sitting outside...how can u expect them to win..inspite the fact top 3 in batting order continiously getting flopped..they still havent included them....

Posted by priceless1 on (May 31, 2012, 5:16 GMT)

This will be a Big test for Narine coz England pitches doesn't offer any assistant for the Spinners

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (May 31, 2012, 5:07 GMT)

@Phil Katon, I've genuinly not seen Narine, as I dont follow ODI or T20 cricket, and there is a BIG difference between T20/ODI cricket and Tests, for one In Tests the batsmen arnt looking to get boundries every ball, as they are in T20. I'll reserve judgement on him until I've seen him play, his stats look impressive, and he has a big reputation, but then so did Shillingford. So England will be facing a bowling attack of Sammy, Rampaul, and two from Best/Edwards/Narine/Shillingford, with samuals as a back up spinner.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 4:58 GMT)

WHY NOT JEROME TAYLOR INSTEAD OF TINO BEST WHO MIGHT COME IN FOR ROACH AS NARINE WILL REPLACE SHANE SHILLINGFORD ?

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 4:44 GMT)

If coached and managed properly, Narine could become the WI version of Muttiah Muralitharan. They wish he would be as good as the great SL off spinner.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 4:18 GMT)

looking forward to see him in the playing XI

Posted by Romenevans on (May 31, 2012, 4:18 GMT)

The question is, wil he be able to spin it in england? He played most of his games in Kolkata which is a dust bowl and spins a square there.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 3:58 GMT)

i am happy that narine is gonna be given a chance,he's an amazing player now he can fulfil his dream of playing test cricket,sorry roach is out fantastic fast bowler i pray that he will come back asap,dont want him to end up like jerome taylor..........cant wait for both of them to be playing together....

Posted by pkhunter on (May 31, 2012, 3:54 GMT)

Time to get Gayle in the team too. And one of the Bravos. Then let's watch England get creamed.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 3:51 GMT)

Hope WI Team has Narine in the Playing XI of the 3rd Test.....

Posted by purna478 on (May 31, 2012, 3:45 GMT)

time 2 test for narine all d best 2 him

Posted by WindiesGT on (May 31, 2012, 2:58 GMT)

Great move get the inform spinner in. What kind of fitness programme is coach Gibbons implementing? Gabriel, Roach, Edwards and Rampaul not 100%?

Posted by rseenarine on (May 31, 2012, 2:47 GMT)

According to Gibson " We still have an awful lot of cricket to play this year" he makes it seem like its a bad thing that WI have so much cricket to play this year...

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 2:40 GMT)

Sunil Narine should not be in the Test team now.There are other players like Narsingh Deonarine and Asad Fudadin who have gone to England and not hhad a game espcially Deonarine who has a good series against the Australians.I strongly believe that he should have been drafted into the team for the ODI's and the 20/20 after the 3rd Test.WI have nothing to lose,but give the players who deserve it and who were selected initially.Narine should ideally be in the Test team for the home series against the Kiwi's.He needs some time to work on improving his action and style,Test cricket is different especially with spin Swann hasnt had much success only getting Chanderpaul and we're not sure how the Birmingham pitch will play..

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 2:38 GMT)

ok so they dump bishoo for shillingford and now shillingford for narine..makes lots of sense

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 2:08 GMT)

Now that the W.I is short on fast bowlers, it a good time for coach Gibson to stake his claim as a permanent memberof the team as pace bowler. Something which he was never able to do in his hey days!

Posted by Lamsalsandesh on (May 31, 2012, 1:47 GMT)

very very nice move, hope Gayle, sarwan, D.Bravo will also get chance to show their skills......... hope to make some changes for top 4 poor bats man also.

Posted by yocasi on (May 31, 2012, 1:45 GMT)

Billy Furlonge, Just because Holding says it, does that make it gospel? How about all the England quicks who were trained by Gibson and didn't break down? You guys are getting more and more irrational with the Gibson/Sammy/WICB bashing. I see on this site so much tripe about Gibson's alleged shortcomings as a coach simply because he wasn't a great player. Is there anything that says great players automatically become good coaches? Didn't Windies teams coached/managed by Richards, Roberts and Lloyd all perform abysmally? On the other hand, who had heard about John Buchanan before he became Australia's world-beating coach? It is better to hold one's tongue than to fire off and reveal one's ignorance.

Posted by rienzied on (May 31, 2012, 0:57 GMT)

Now for Sarwan and Gayle to join the top 4. We need them desperatly. And at the end of this please replace Gibson. I guess Sammy now has shut a number of us with his batting performances, however he is STILL not the captaincy material the team needs. He is great at the congratulating, thumping of fists when he bats BUT when the team is in trouble, when they are fielding, his captaincy tends to get sucked into the situation.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (May 31, 2012, 0:46 GMT)

That is a big blow for WI that Roach won't be playing but, under the circumstances, it's definitely the smart thing to rest him even if he could play. It will be interesting to see what impact Narine can have if he gets to play. Obviously lots of people are very excited about him and he is a great prospect, but if people are expecting him to blow through England like Ajmal did in UAE then I think that they'll be sorely disappointed. Those were different wickets and you can see how differently England have played spin on their home turf. They played tentatively and mainly off the back foot in UAE and kept getting trapped LBW. Even against quality spin, they will play much more positively in England. I haven't seen very much of Narine at all but, from what little I did see, his doosra would be much easier to pick than Ajmal's, which I couldn't even pick on close-up, slow-motion replay.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 0:40 GMT)

I am willing to look at the result of the Third Test, and to see if Narine would make a great change on the Windies batting fortunes!

Posted by godfreyse on (May 31, 2012, 0:40 GMT)

Don't expect 2 much from Narine. He is new to this format of the game. He is new to these conditions. Also the ENG r shrewd planners. Mystery or no mystery the ENG r fighters. The key to Narine's success is how he is used by Sammy. The type of field Sammy sets. Narine is in that team to mystify the ENG batters & take their wickets. And Sammy has to set his field accordingly. Happy hunting WI.

Posted by   on (May 31, 2012, 0:08 GMT)

gayle should also be back in the team the opening batsmen r not doin the job by the time the innings start they r already three or four down only samuels an chanderpaul look like they wanna play none of them has even gotten a fifty the experience is clearly needed

Posted by Gizza on (May 31, 2012, 0:05 GMT)

@Hyo Dan, you make a good point of Roach's tendency to bowl a large number of no balls. Don't think the Windies would have won if it were not for Roach's no balls but without them the result wouldn't have been as convincing as a 9 wicket win for England. If Narine's wicket taking ability is similar to Roach but without the no balls, the West Indies should benefit as a whole. Only difference is that Narine is more likely to get the middle-order and lower-order out than the openers being a leg-spinner which again is not a bad thing from the West Indian point of view.

Posted by Erebus26 on (May 30, 2012, 23:50 GMT)

Narine is an exciting talent and I can see the logic in his selection. Shillingford failed to tie down an end at Trent Bridge and only took one wicket IIRC. Narine will offer more mystery and will be a test for the England batting line-up. On the other hand, spin hasn't been a big factor in the series so far and test cricket is different from the IPL. Roach will be a big loss and it will be left to Rampaul to lead the attack. Was hoping they'd bring Gayle in though because it's at the top of the batting order where the Windies need strengthening. In regards to the spin options you could have Gayle and Samuels and call in Deonarine too(replacing Edwards).

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 23:48 GMT)

Agree with you wholeheartedly, chillisi!

Posted by sabbor on (May 30, 2012, 23:43 GMT)

very good move...i m 100% hopeful he will do really great

Posted by Meety on (May 30, 2012, 23:42 GMT)

Sad news for the WIndies. Looking fwd o see how the Rampaul/Roach partnership would go 2nd time around. The fast bowler injury curse is infecting the WIndies now! == == == On the topic of Narine, the young bloke has barely bowled 500 overs across all 3 formats in 3 yrs, of which only 50 have been in FC cricket. I wish him the best, but I don't think he is ready for Test cricket, where in theory, he MAY have to bowl 50 overs in an innings! He won't have the fitness IMO, happy to be proven wrong. Take Oz's Lyon as an example, he had a meteoric rise, been playing elite cricket for less than TWO years, has bowled NEARLY TWICE the overs Narine has, (similar ages), yet had often struggled with the fitness aspect of increased overs required in Tests as his FC base was limited. I really hope Narine does well, but I fear that playing in this Test could ruin him, (unless of course he routs England!).

Posted by nafzak on (May 30, 2012, 23:37 GMT)

It's a dead rubber. Why even play the test? England may rest a few and will probably not play as hard. Hard to judge performance in those conditions. Also, Bishoo has a bad match and is promptly dropped. Shillingford has one bad match and is promptly dropped. Is that how we help these young bowlers? Bishoo was overbowled and just tired after playing Pak, Ind, Ban and Ind, yet the WICB asked for Sammy to rest and not play (for 1 match) in Regional 4 day competition. They should have asked Guyana to rest Bishoo who was their workhorse bowler for 4 straight series. Very poor management by Gibson and WICB. Bowlers will figure out Narine and he too would be histoy before the year is out. Unfair, you bet, but this is the WICB.

Posted by chillisi on (May 30, 2012, 23:27 GMT)

yeah hard luck for Roach, as article say he bowled better than the 34 avge suggests. Contrary to popular belief, phasing in players like gayle and bravo is better than injecting them into side that has spent a lot of time developing players, narine galye and bravo have been in 20/20 mode for the last few months and will do no good in the test side, bring them in for the 50 over game and let them settle into the team before putting test match pressure on them

Posted by Metman on (May 30, 2012, 23:11 GMT)

Hey ! I have noticed that the selectors are thinking the way I do by bringing in Narine...the ONLY sensible replacement...hope now that they pick the same team that I named.

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 22:46 GMT)

@srriaj317....trust me, with the downpours we've had in Birmingham today then by the time next thursday the edgbaston track will resemble a rain forest...All you'll see is Narine's head & bowling arm above the foilage....lol

Posted by Nakhul22 on (May 30, 2012, 22:41 GMT)

This is very surprising because after the IPL Narine made himself unavailable for the test series in England....This article is also very contradictory, at the start is says Narine is Roach's replacement and then further down it says 'The West Indies management have yet to decide on a replacement player..' Is Narine really a replacement for Roach? If so is the case then finally WI fans will have all reason to look back at test cricket.

Posted by Jayco on (May 30, 2012, 22:38 GMT)

Would have been good if W.Indies could have announced his inclusion a bit closer to the game, to give the opposition less time to study him. Could they have 'concealed' Roach's injury until the eve of the game?

Posted by Nerk on (May 30, 2012, 22:38 GMT)

Roach is quickly becoming the star bowler of the Windies team. He is a great bowler to watch as well, and the Windies will surely miss him. Rampaul is also becoming a great bowler, his last year has been really good. WIll Narine perform at the highest level? That is a question that can only be answered by him in the next test, but I'm sure he'll want to keep his first class average as low as possible!

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 22:22 GMT)

If Narine replacing Roach is the only change for the WI come the next test then I'm afraid the series is likely to be a whitewash for England. The team for the third test should exclude both openers plus the stand-by keeper. Fudadin and Narsingh Deonarine should be included. It's about time for big changes so the WI can finish the test series with some semblance of respect.

Posted by yorkshirematt on (May 30, 2012, 22:13 GMT)

Narine won't have much effect in England, mystery spin or not. Ajmal caused nowhere near as much havoc in England in 2010.

Posted by cflook on (May 30, 2012, 22:12 GMT)

SOMEONE PLEASE CHANGE OUR OPENING BATSMEN!!!! We have people like Gayle sitting on the sideline for what? The man has 2 TRIPLE CENTURIES IN TESTS!!!! The WICB should be ashamed of destroying our hope for West Indies Cricket!

Posted by godfreyse on (May 30, 2012, 22:09 GMT)

Well the 1st positive step has been made(Narine). Next will be Ravi, Fidel &Tino(all subject to fitness). We can now dispense with the extra batter(Edwards). As it goes, long batting line up doesn't translate into runs. Last but not least, the use of Narine. Remember he is our Ajmal(PAK). Someone please advise Sammy how to use this secret weapon. By the way, Gayle is welcomed to join the party,since Powell might be otherwise disposed. Advice needed!

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 22:08 GMT)

@YorkshirePudding ur 'not sure what Narine will add'....?!!? How about a spinner that literally no-one in the IPL could read, as well as the test format with men around the bat?!! Ok in early summer it might not turn as much as when Ajmal destroyed us in the winter, but it doesn't need to-just enough to beat the bat. I'm looking forward to this a lot and really hope WI name him in the 11.

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 22:05 GMT)

REALLY BEST SELECTION FOR WI,Narine will be a attacking bowler for next games for english batsman,No doubt

Posted by PunchDrunkPunter on (May 30, 2012, 22:05 GMT)

Gayle, Chanderpaul, Bravo, Sarwan, Samuels, Bravo, Ramdin, Taylor, Narine, Rampaul, Joseph.

Posted by decaby on (May 30, 2012, 22:03 GMT)

so tht means tht we can expect to see three fast bowlers and narine... and the capt batting 6... cant wait to see...

Posted by Chris241 on (May 30, 2012, 21:57 GMT)

I dont know why WI does not include Gayle, Dwayne Bravo in there team, after there performance in the IPL.... Good to see Naarine....

Posted by srriaj317 on (May 30, 2012, 21:56 GMT)

Oooooh Narine is in! Are the Pommies going to scramble to roll out a green track now for the next test? They still have time to let the grass grow!

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 21:52 GMT)

This is potentially MASSIVE. Narine is the one guy who can hurt England...and i'm English btw...Sure CAN replace roach with Narine, and bring in Best for Shillingford. Given Eng's record v 'mystery' spin, i'm just glad the series is over...

Posted by Harvey on (May 30, 2012, 21:51 GMT)

It'll be interesting to see whether Narine can live up to the hype and produce at the highest level. Sad news about Kemar Roach. I rate him, and I really think the Windies have the makings of a useful side. England have been made to work far harder to beat them than was the case with India last year. They definitely need to persevere with Otis Gibson, who is instilling a far more professional attitude among the team, however much that upsets some of their "stars."

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 21:39 GMT)

Kemar takes wickets but he is also a liability. Just too many no balls and even worse on wicket taking ball. I can remember that from the beginning of his career. He still has not changed that habit. Honestly I think Narine will be more efficient and decipline . But I wish you get well soon.

Posted by SNIFFLEATHER on (May 30, 2012, 21:38 GMT)

Good news to hear that Narine will come in. Hopefully, he can make his debut, and get a game under his belt before the Kiwis visit. The Windies may have lost their best quickie (wisely being careful for once), but at last they will be able to field Narine. The young man is not hyped for no reason. A diamond is about to shine...

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 21:37 GMT)

That was fast but a good replacement, as Shillingford is struggling in these conditions.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (May 30, 2012, 21:33 GMT)

Oh good! Some quality spin at last to test England's batsmen... oh wait, they've already won the series and are probably going to rest most key players, so they wont get to face him! Better late than never I guess. Roach lands and twists very awkwardly when he bowls I think. He is definately a good, promising young bowler and WI will miss him, but he needs to work on his run up and landing to: (a) prolong his career! (b) avoid overstepping so much!

Posted by Mrallrounder on (May 30, 2012, 21:31 GMT)

Shame for Roach and Windies, he was starting to bowl into form. Hopefully he can recover for Windies next series. This gives opportunity for Edwards to bowl well and get back in contention.

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 21:21 GMT)

I am very sorry to hear about Kemar. I wish a speedy recovery. By the way is Sammy the only fit or, is he the fittest member of the team?

Posted by landl47 on (May 30, 2012, 21:19 GMT)

I'm looking forward to seeing Narine. He comes with a lot of hype and the brief view I have had of him (against Australia) showed he was difficult to score off. Whether he will get enough out of an English wicket to be a wicket-taker in the upcoming test, we shall see. Unfortunate though it is for the WI to lose Roach, Narine's debut will add some excitement to the final test. Incidentally, on Roach's injury, his delivery stride, with his front foot banging down from a high step, is likely to cause him trouble throughout his career. Hopefully it can be managed so that he doesn't miss too many games. It's entirely unconnected with fitness. Cummins, of Australia, has already had similar problems at the age of 18.

Posted by SoLucien on (May 30, 2012, 21:10 GMT)

@Handalf The-Bez Loosely correlated or not it seems looking at this thing from the outside that our bowlers have been beset with injury. I am guessing that physically fit player will be less prone to injury than an unfit player. You can correct me if i am wrong. I am not saying he wont get injured. Gibson has made fitness one of his main priorities so do we have a fit bowling unit?

Posted by Shaikhsters on (May 30, 2012, 21:05 GMT)

Narine=England's nightmare.RIP English Batting.

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 20:44 GMT)

Is this a similar problem to what the Australian quicks were suffering? Remember how several of them had foot and other injuries recently. If it isn't related to fitness, perhaps it's something to do with their shoes. Maybe they need to look into their footwear?

Posted by Metman on (May 30, 2012, 20:43 GMT)

No Russell ! No Richardson! ....!bring in another fast bowler to do what ? play 1 or 2 county games?....Now is the time to bring in Narine...leave out Barath, Edwards,Shillingford.Next test... Powell, Fudadin,Bravo,Deonarine,Shiv,Samuels,Sammy,Ramdin,Narine,Rampaul,F.Edwards.

Posted by lyl67 on (May 30, 2012, 20:36 GMT)

If you concerned about Roach fitness, why did he bowl in the second innings which probably made the injury worse.

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 20:14 GMT)

How come the Windies bowlers suffer so much injury? Surely they must be doing something wrong in training or preparation? I can understand Edwards having injuries, due to his action, but if you look at other bowlers, you have to question why this is constantly happening.

Posted by nzcricket174 on (May 30, 2012, 20:12 GMT)

I hope Dwayne Bravo returns now.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (May 30, 2012, 20:06 GMT)

Big blow for the west indies, not sure if they will call up anyone as theres only one more test. also not sure what narine will add.

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 19:56 GMT)

With our batting failing so and Edwards, Rampaul and Best there is there room for DJ Bravo, Naarine would benefit from sometime home with family and coaches, he MUST debut against NZ (Test) and should be available for ODIs and T20s

Posted by Amerie on (May 30, 2012, 19:49 GMT)

Will Chris Gayle play in the third test? Sorry to hear about Kemar and I wish him a speedy recovery. West Indies team need him. Good luck on the remaining of the tour guys

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 19:25 GMT)

Fitness levels and injuries are only very loosely correlated, SoLucien.

Posted by Eazy_E on (May 30, 2012, 19:10 GMT)

Can we replace Roach with Narine?

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 18:33 GMT)

I think that it is safe to say that we the paying public along with the WI players and cricket pundits have all got the memo w/ the new WICB mission statement about discipline, fitness, change of culture, etc. from the WICB, coach and captain. We all fully understand the parameters, and as such, it is time for the WICB and coach to recall the established players such as Gayle, Sarwan, Taylor, and senior Bravo. Most of the winningest teams across most sports have learned to craftily blend youth w/ experience. The continued pummeling of our team will psychologically impact these younger guys before they are fully groomed - ya need the more experienced guys in the locker room to get them through these defeats. The best coaches and front offices find a way to get the best out of their stars whilst minimizing controversy. The honeymoon period for the relatively new WI Board, coach and captain is rapidly drawing to an end. They need to now step-up their management skills and put the bes

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 18:29 GMT)

I suggest either of the two Jamaicans as replacement Richardson who was the most successful seam bowler in the Caribbean or Andre Russel who has some pace and could bat also.. West Indies needs a first change strike bowler.. I am one who shares the opinion of Michael Holding that Sammy is not a first change bowler for test cricket.. as for the batting subject to correction apart from a test team playing its first test match i cant think of an establish test team picking such inexperience in there top four to face the world #1 bowling attack.. can you imagine the impact, the confidence, a young Powell, Barath, Edwards and Bravo will gain.. watching from the none strikers end while a Gayle, or and inform Sarwan plus Chandapaul.. Priceless

Posted by SirDallas on (May 30, 2012, 18:24 GMT)

Wow!! That's a huge blow but such is professional sports. Why not give Andrew Richardson a call. After all, he has been one of the leading pacers for the last few years in the Caribbean. C'mon man remember when the "big guns" stepped away from the team and they gave Roach his chance (which was grasped with both hands and feet) now look at him. Give someone else a chance please...

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 18:20 GMT)

Is it too late to draft Jerome Taylor into the side?

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 17:56 GMT)

Sometime a little bit of commonsense will suffice. Roach's injury comes as no surprise to me. When Roach was having his no ball problems I told my friend that maybe Roach was not fit. I didn't post my thought since I had nothing to support it. Fast bowling has a lot to do with rhythm. And If u r not fully fit u concentrate on yr injury & can lose yr rhythm. Also u can over extend yrself(greater effort), resulting in the no balls. I'm no expert, this is all hypothetical. So when Roach was bowling those no balls, he wasn't having a bad day, he was injured.

Posted by cricketgurudev on (May 30, 2012, 17:48 GMT)

So have we forgotten the role of Ravi Rampaul? He took the most wickets in England's first innings and was the second most economical bowler. Why all the fuss about Roach and Edwards. As we in the Caribbean say : "Man gone, man dey!"

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 17:45 GMT)

the best thing west indies can do is 2 cancel the tour roach was the last hope is bowling and as he is injured west indies cant win a county game aswell wid dis broken team

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 17:41 GMT)

Gibson's method of training needs to be looked at. It has been described as "boot camp" by Holding. There are too many injuries possibly cause the players are overworked or just not properly trained fittnesswise

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 17:37 GMT)

Really great shame. England fans have enjoyed watching Kemar. Hope he recovers soon and continues developing.

Posted by Htc-Android on (May 30, 2012, 17:36 GMT)

please bring gayle or sarwan into the team. their problem is not their bowling attack its their top order failed more offenly. the presence gayle will add more stability to the top order.

Posted by PACERONE on (May 30, 2012, 17:23 GMT)

With all the emphasis on fitness,injuries seems to be getting worse.Australia has there problems and England did.With WI if you get injured you are in trouble..you get no guidance and then when you are ready to play the criteria get very confusing.Only one play seems to meet the WICB criteria and that is Barath.Rampaul is lucky to be still playing.I hope that Roach does not have the same problems as previous players.

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 17:14 GMT)

Time to bring in Dwayne Bravo!

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 16:46 GMT)

Tino Best won't be giving england's batsmen nightmares...lol.....he'll be giving Ramdin nightmares when he sprays it all over the place...lol.....and for the record, he didn't give terrorize Hussain & Butcher, he bowled a hostile spell which was actually played with great aplomb by the English batsmen....It was Harmison who terrorized the West Indian batsmen in that match (7-12)!

Anyhoos, a big loss for the West Indies, as Roach is the spearhead of the attack and has certainly earned the respect of the english batsmen & fans alike with his bowling in the first two test matches...Hope he recovers quickly :)

Posted by SoLucien on (May 30, 2012, 16:36 GMT)

For a coach thats big on fitness he has lot of broken players. Not seeing the benefit of the new fitness regime.

Posted by ork_1996 on (May 30, 2012, 16:25 GMT)

WI Should really get Gayle in now

Posted by   on (May 30, 2012, 16:24 GMT)

As if we're not struggling enough in the Series, one of the bright spots in our bowling unit is out for the rest of the tour. Although our batting at the top of the order is the team's biggest worry, this news is a major blow to morale. Fidel and Tino will have to step up to the plate and replace Kemar as the spearhead of the attack. I'm sure the English batsman will be having nightmares. We need the Best and Edwards that terrorised Hussain and Butcher during a spell, in the first innings at Sabina Park in 2004, but i'm not holding my breath.

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