England news September 18, 2011

England middle-order battle heats up

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Jos Buttler couldn't help Somerset end their run of second-place finishes in county cricket, but gave another demonstration of his talent against Surrey at Lord's. The day after Jonny Bairstow burst onto the international stage with a matchwinning innings against India, Buttler gave his own eye-catching demonstration with 86 off 72 balls in the CB40 final.

There is an increasing battle for places in the England limited-overs teams after Bairstow and Ravi Bopara took the opportunities presented by the absences of Kevin Pietersen and Eoin Morgan. Those two senior players will also miss the Twenty20s against West Indies this week - while Morgan is ruled out of the India tour next month - which means an opportunity to impress before the squads for India are announced.

Bairstow's unbeaten 41 off 21 balls at Cardiff has assured him of a trip to the subcontinent, but Buttler, who was called into the one-day squad as cover for the final match, is perhaps battling Ben Stokes, the Durham allrounder, for a place in the touring party. Stokes played the first four matches against India, although he only batted twice and struggled against spin.

He is also still unable to bowl due to the broken finger he suffered earlier in the season, so Buttler's performance at Lord's came at a good moment and his county captain, Marcus Trescothick, believes he showed his rapid development.

"He can play some great innings just like that," Trescothick said. "It was quite reserved for Jos. We've all seen it when he bangs it left, right and centre out of the ground. It was very mature. It was the perfect knock for the situation of the game.

"It was great to watch. We've seen enough great times of Jos over the last couple of years to justify him being in the international team," he added. "If he can continue to play like that and get the opportunity to play in international games, England supporters are going to see some good performances because he is a serious player."

Buttler's place in the Twenty20 squad to face West Indies means he didn't travel with Somerset to the Champions League on Sunday although could link up with the squad if they progress through the qualifying stage in Hyderabad. The odds are stacked against them, however, as they have two games in two days with the first less than 24 hours after arriving in India. Yet if he doesn't reach India with his county, Buttler is making a strong case to go there with his country.

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • puntertakeson on September 20, 2011, 16:16 GMT

    @Valavan you have no proof that BCCI asked NZC to prepare slow pitches. But Bairstow played in a condition where ball is wet , it offered no swing or spin. I won't be surprised to see your extemporaneousness again. PLS publish my comment cricinfo

  • 5wombats on September 20, 2011, 8:46 GMT

    @Valavan - sorry mate but you are wasting your time with him. The reason he's on an England page is simply to stir it up.

  • Valavan on September 20, 2011, 5:44 GMT

    @puntertakeson, why couldnt they enjoy green track at nottingham. i remember even sreesanth did it alone in Johannesburg. What is this melodrama about Zaheer, Is he better than Akram, or is he on the league of ambrose. How many matches at all India won in green tinge? after drubbing in NZ in 2002, BCCI requested NZC to produce slow wickets if they want to play 3 test series. This shows how India want to play in green wickets. You can rate INDIA so so high but they are not in the league of Windies or Aussies. I know and we also accept its long way to achieve such success, but we enjoy the moment, you can give more more even 100000000 excuses, but INDIA, the no.1, the current ODI world cup champion were streamrolled by England in England. Honestly SL and PAK gave a quite fight which India didnt give. OH YE ZAHEER and his 10 MUSKEETERS. Go on...

  • puntertakeson on September 20, 2011, 5:27 GMT

    @Valavan hahahah. Indian fast bowlers enjoyed green track look at SA recent series, where Indian fast bowlers dominated SA batsman or India bowlers swing better than any other bowlers in this world. Having your ID as Valavan that dosen't make you Valavan. How about this SA collapsed in 4 day in SA against India. We miss zaheer in this series, Zaheer is not just a bowler for India he's almost act as a bowling coach the way he give suggestion to Ishant and sreeshant, with him Indian bowling unit is completely different. Look at Finn he is bowling at 152 but he is not swinging enough There is one Tamil Proverb I need to mention here "Too much of anything is good for Nothing".Cricinfo publish this

  • Valavan on September 19, 2011, 20:06 GMT

    @puntertakeson, i have seen the pitch in Ahmedabad, that usually a slow pitch, once allowed green tinge with uneven bounce, and SA wrapped up india under 4 days, so the next pitch, Kanpur, that used to be flat pitch shaved to be a turner. So its not difficult to prepare a pitch with fast or slow, leaving the grass on covered pitches assist fast bowling, shaving the grass with lead to slow low turners. Its all about how teams cope with it. Fair opinion, Aussies make the best pitches, Brisbane n Perth - fast tracks, adelaide and Melboure - flat tracks, Hobart and Sydney - slow tracks, rest of countries anyway prepare pitch to favor homeside. but whatever the condition given, a quality team should have enough resources to perform in any pitch that is put forward to them.

  • puntertakeson on September 19, 2011, 18:30 GMT

    @Honeymaster, In India you can't play after 3rd day ball will start to spin and Old ball will reverse swing. There are possibility of uneven bounce in 4th day. There are grounds were Indians can enjoy cow Pasteur greens pitch. Not all indian grounds are flat pitch. Did anyone told you Indian is called Sub-continent (We have all sort of climatic condition). Come to India during summer you will crawl. You have no idea about Indian Domestic structure. Cricinfo pls publish

  • puntertakeson on September 19, 2011, 17:29 GMT

    IMHO they still need to prove

  • SDHM on September 19, 2011, 16:26 GMT

    @ NRI - Shane Warne made an excellent point on Sky at some point over this summer when he said that it's a fallacy that you supposedly "need" two spinners in India, his logic being that the pitches might turn, but Indian batsmen are brought up playing spin and therefore that won't phase them in the slightest. If you have two quality spinners, like Warne and MacGill, then play them. If you don't, play your best attack. I would argue that England's best attack wouldn't include two spinners. These bowlers have done fine on flat wickets in Bangladesh (always a dodgy side to judge performance against, but those pitches were horribly flat, and Swann, Bresnan and Finn bowled brilliantly on them) and Australia, I wouldn't be rushing to needlessly alter the balance of a winning side.

  • SDHM on September 19, 2011, 16:16 GMT

    @ Ahsan - I feel they're holding Taylor back for test cricket. He had an iffy day on T20 finals day and I feel, and the England management probably feel, that England need destructive players in the one day arena, as opposed to Taylor's more touch based game. I reckon we'll be seeing him soon enough in a white shirt though. And Aayush - Bairstow and Stokes both average well over 40 in the county first class game. You have to remember that England isn't India; it's impossible for batsmen to average the better part of 70 over a long period, like Rahane and Pujara do, here. Early season pitches, better bowling attacks and the weather all contribute to make it tougher for batting. An average in the mid 40s is pretty damn good for a young player.

  • RandyOZ on September 19, 2011, 15:13 GMT

    I am backing the 20yo kiwi to make the United XI. Get another Southern Hemispherian into the team!

  • puntertakeson on September 20, 2011, 16:16 GMT

    @Valavan you have no proof that BCCI asked NZC to prepare slow pitches. But Bairstow played in a condition where ball is wet , it offered no swing or spin. I won't be surprised to see your extemporaneousness again. PLS publish my comment cricinfo

  • 5wombats on September 20, 2011, 8:46 GMT

    @Valavan - sorry mate but you are wasting your time with him. The reason he's on an England page is simply to stir it up.

  • Valavan on September 20, 2011, 5:44 GMT

    @puntertakeson, why couldnt they enjoy green track at nottingham. i remember even sreesanth did it alone in Johannesburg. What is this melodrama about Zaheer, Is he better than Akram, or is he on the league of ambrose. How many matches at all India won in green tinge? after drubbing in NZ in 2002, BCCI requested NZC to produce slow wickets if they want to play 3 test series. This shows how India want to play in green wickets. You can rate INDIA so so high but they are not in the league of Windies or Aussies. I know and we also accept its long way to achieve such success, but we enjoy the moment, you can give more more even 100000000 excuses, but INDIA, the no.1, the current ODI world cup champion were streamrolled by England in England. Honestly SL and PAK gave a quite fight which India didnt give. OH YE ZAHEER and his 10 MUSKEETERS. Go on...

  • puntertakeson on September 20, 2011, 5:27 GMT

    @Valavan hahahah. Indian fast bowlers enjoyed green track look at SA recent series, where Indian fast bowlers dominated SA batsman or India bowlers swing better than any other bowlers in this world. Having your ID as Valavan that dosen't make you Valavan. How about this SA collapsed in 4 day in SA against India. We miss zaheer in this series, Zaheer is not just a bowler for India he's almost act as a bowling coach the way he give suggestion to Ishant and sreeshant, with him Indian bowling unit is completely different. Look at Finn he is bowling at 152 but he is not swinging enough There is one Tamil Proverb I need to mention here "Too much of anything is good for Nothing".Cricinfo publish this

  • Valavan on September 19, 2011, 20:06 GMT

    @puntertakeson, i have seen the pitch in Ahmedabad, that usually a slow pitch, once allowed green tinge with uneven bounce, and SA wrapped up india under 4 days, so the next pitch, Kanpur, that used to be flat pitch shaved to be a turner. So its not difficult to prepare a pitch with fast or slow, leaving the grass on covered pitches assist fast bowling, shaving the grass with lead to slow low turners. Its all about how teams cope with it. Fair opinion, Aussies make the best pitches, Brisbane n Perth - fast tracks, adelaide and Melboure - flat tracks, Hobart and Sydney - slow tracks, rest of countries anyway prepare pitch to favor homeside. but whatever the condition given, a quality team should have enough resources to perform in any pitch that is put forward to them.

  • puntertakeson on September 19, 2011, 18:30 GMT

    @Honeymaster, In India you can't play after 3rd day ball will start to spin and Old ball will reverse swing. There are possibility of uneven bounce in 4th day. There are grounds were Indians can enjoy cow Pasteur greens pitch. Not all indian grounds are flat pitch. Did anyone told you Indian is called Sub-continent (We have all sort of climatic condition). Come to India during summer you will crawl. You have no idea about Indian Domestic structure. Cricinfo pls publish

  • puntertakeson on September 19, 2011, 17:29 GMT

    IMHO they still need to prove

  • SDHM on September 19, 2011, 16:26 GMT

    @ NRI - Shane Warne made an excellent point on Sky at some point over this summer when he said that it's a fallacy that you supposedly "need" two spinners in India, his logic being that the pitches might turn, but Indian batsmen are brought up playing spin and therefore that won't phase them in the slightest. If you have two quality spinners, like Warne and MacGill, then play them. If you don't, play your best attack. I would argue that England's best attack wouldn't include two spinners. These bowlers have done fine on flat wickets in Bangladesh (always a dodgy side to judge performance against, but those pitches were horribly flat, and Swann, Bresnan and Finn bowled brilliantly on them) and Australia, I wouldn't be rushing to needlessly alter the balance of a winning side.

  • SDHM on September 19, 2011, 16:16 GMT

    @ Ahsan - I feel they're holding Taylor back for test cricket. He had an iffy day on T20 finals day and I feel, and the England management probably feel, that England need destructive players in the one day arena, as opposed to Taylor's more touch based game. I reckon we'll be seeing him soon enough in a white shirt though. And Aayush - Bairstow and Stokes both average well over 40 in the county first class game. You have to remember that England isn't India; it's impossible for batsmen to average the better part of 70 over a long period, like Rahane and Pujara do, here. Early season pitches, better bowling attacks and the weather all contribute to make it tougher for batting. An average in the mid 40s is pretty damn good for a young player.

  • RandyOZ on September 19, 2011, 15:13 GMT

    I am backing the 20yo kiwi to make the United XI. Get another Southern Hemispherian into the team!

  • Guernica on September 19, 2011, 13:21 GMT

    Bopara certainly deserves to retain his place after this series. Of the other 3, on stats alone Buttler is well ahead in ODI and T20 but Bairstow has clearly made a big case now. I think both should be in the squad. Samit Patel may miss out after a horror game at Cardiff though I'm not sure Borthwick is the answer either (what happened to Adil Rashid??). Stokes needs to be fit and bowling well to warrant a place - he shouldn't really have been picked if he wasn't.

  • on September 19, 2011, 9:43 GMT

    There is an overabundance of talent in this age group. Bairstow and Butler are both wicketkeepers. It would seem wise to encourage them, and their counties, to develop this aspect of their games rather than turn into specialist batsmen by default due to inability to get a game behind the stumps. Matt Prior has shown how an ordinary wicketkeeper can improve by leaps and bounds with practice and dedication. Kieswetter is good, but not the best and would be vulnerable to a strong challenge. By the time Prior is ready to finish (4 years ? 5 ?) these two young men will be 24 / 25, mature batsmen in their own right, and wil have had the time to makle the necessary imporvement from run-of-the-mill county glovemen to potential international wicketkeeper-batsman. But only if they are given opportunity and encourafement with this aspect, and do not allow their wicketkeeping to atrophy - as De Villiers did - through lack of use.

  • on September 19, 2011, 8:40 GMT

    @munkymomo, Kieswetter is doing good in ODI's currently, England need to have patience with him, an average of 32 and with his fast scoring...is pretty good for a Keeper. Bairstow is more suited to the specialist batsman role, Buttler is also so dangerous and his one day figures really stack up well, but can he do that against australia, south africa and other top bowling line ups?? I would try all 3 Buttler MUST play T20's at the least. Stokes shouldnt be in the XI at the moment UNLESS he is fit to bowl. James Taylor also should have been ahead of these other guys but has been unlucky, now England has seen Bairstow play 41 off 20 odd balls he will play before anyone else.

  • PeterCook on September 19, 2011, 7:07 GMT

    Gururaj Baji - your opinion is guff - England have a huge array of batting talent currently. If you'd said that 5 years ago, maybe even 3, I might have agreed. As it stands, England have plenty of excellent batsmen.

  • on September 19, 2011, 6:53 GMT

    who is a test batsmen in above names cant see any apart form bopara and add the hyped taylor to that list

  • Ahsan_Shere on September 19, 2011, 5:38 GMT

    Where is James Taylor? He's better than most of them!!! 63 First Class matches & 49 List As both at almost 50 average, no one is close to him accept Bopara. He's just 21, he can be a big asset for England.

  • on September 19, 2011, 5:11 GMT

    They are no good batters in my opinion. A few month down the lane we can see vacant spots in the middle order after the Subcontinental series.

  • Lmaotsetung on September 19, 2011, 3:45 GMT

    Eng do have a 2nd test spinner that even India would love to have on their team. Monty has had a very good season this year and then there is this Kerrigan kid. Don't want to throw him in the fire yet but he might be knocking on the door by this time next year. Swann has been so dominant now that I hope Eng don't make the same mistake Aus made and look for a like for like replacement. They do have a couple lefties and a leggie waiting in the wings.

  • Munkeymomo on September 19, 2011, 3:31 GMT

    @patchmaster Buttler is also a fantastic wicket keeper and one of the best fielders in county cricket. To be honest, I dont think it will be long before one (or more likely, both) will be in the England setup ahead of Kieswetter. Kies does a job at the top of the order but lacks the pure class of Buttler or Bairstow.

  • sam_laker on September 19, 2011, 2:30 GMT

    A useless series to say the least.

  • onlinegamer55 on September 19, 2011, 1:22 GMT

    @Paul Rone-Clarke James Taylor is certainly an ODI batsmen. His List A batting average is 49.61 and his List A batting strike rate is 83.61. He bats at No. 4 for Leicestershire which means he bats in the middle overs of a List A game and we all know that this means he needs to rotate the strike. He still has a strike rate of 83.61 which is phenomenal in conjunction with his batting average of 49.61; remember that Eoin Morgan (a big hitter, right?) has a strike rate of 84.24 in List A games which is not much better than James Taylor's and his List A average is in the mid 30's. James Taylor is definitely not Jonathan Trott; Taylor can hit the ball and scores a century every nine List A games. Finally, Alastair Cook's batting strike rate in ODI's since he took over the captaincy is well above 90; Cook can adapt and slog the ball if necessary. However, James Taylor's role is not to slog the ball; it is to rotate the strike but he can slog if you watch him in County Cricket which you don't.

  • NRI- on September 19, 2011, 0:51 GMT

    For test cricket in India, England need another spinner - a no 6 who can be a 2nd spinner would be ideal - otherwise a specialist spinner with Prior, Bresnan & Broad moving up to 6,7 and 8 batting spots. The ball will not swing as much or bounce as much so Swann will be the most dangerous bowler. India's bowling is pathetic and England have 4 of the best 10 batsmen in world test cricket today with Cook, Trott, Bell and KP in form. So don't worry about the middle order.

  • landl47 on September 19, 2011, 0:23 GMT

    I was most impressed with Bopara in the ODI series. He kept a level head and made sure England was up with the run rate in all the chases. He seems to have come of age (and after all he's only 26). He's always had the talent and now if he's added the temperament he'll be very valuable. James Taylor's problem is that he's a very similar player to Ian Bell and there's really only room for one of them in the side (maybe not even that when KP and Morgan are back). @allblue: I agree completely about Stokes. It wasn't fair on him or the side to play him at less than 100%. I think they see him as another Flintoff, a batting allrounder who can bowl fast. He's only 20, so he has plenty of time. I wouldn't take him to India on this tour. I haven't seen Buttler, but the reports are very encouraging. He's also only 20. Man, there's a lot of fantastic young talent in England at the moment. You could make up a great test/ODI side from players who are under 24.

  • D.S.A on September 18, 2011, 23:14 GMT

    @WTEH: Bopara was England's highest run-scorer in the last ODI series. He had a great series. He is easily the first-choice back-up. In my opinion, Patel is second, then Buttler is third, then I suppose one has to reward Bairstow after his performance, but one performance isn't indicative of how he will perform. There are more deserving players than Stokes, i.e. Samit Patel, who was left out of this article for some reason.

  • on September 18, 2011, 21:52 GMT

    @ Zaid He's in the corner strumming "You've got a friend" on his guitar. What else? Seriously - JT ( the cricketer) is seen more of a test player. The last thing the OD side needs is a third stodger to follow Cooke and Trott

  • Patchmaster on September 18, 2011, 21:34 GMT

    I think Bairstow is a far more exciting prospect than Butler or Stokes, plus he's an excellent fielder and wicket keepers, so if Keiswetter loses form - you have an instant replacement - perfect !

  • OhhhhMattyMatty on September 18, 2011, 21:12 GMT

    Hales, Hamilton-Brown(c), Roy, Taylor, Stokes, Bairstow(wk), Buttler, Woakes, Borthwick, Finn, Briggs. Future England side for ODI and T20 cricket. Would loved to have seen this side face the West Indies.

  • allblue on September 18, 2011, 20:39 GMT

    It is true that there is an astonishing wave of young talent emerging through the County system right now. Two notes of caution - promise at 20 does not guarantee anything, the hard work is yet to come. Also, as the cliché goes it's a 'nice problem' for the selectors to have so many options, but it does complicate the process and getting the mix and balance right becomes tricky. For example, playing Stokes when he couldn't bowl was a mistake in my view, they should have let him play when he was fully fit and not before. Still, exciting times for English cricket, and much credit goes to the much maligned County set-up. The ECB tightening of the Kolpak rules has helped push the Counties in the right direction. Admittedly the standard may have dropped a bit in the short term as those experienced pros departed, but their places were taken by the young tyros who are now knocking at England's door. Every County side has a couple or more such prospects getting games and learning their trade.

  • PeterCook on September 18, 2011, 20:29 GMT

    WTEH - Bopara scored 40, 96, then saw England home with 37 not out - why on earth is it hard to work out? He deserves to at least be in the squad.

  • Nutcutlet on September 18, 2011, 20:05 GMT

    For those of us who do nearly all of our cricket - watching from our sofas, it would appear that England is possessed of some enviable talent in all departments, especially the middle order. Jonny Bairstow memorably grabbed his chance to showcase his awesome ability and power in the Cardiff ODI and Butler showed that he too has a level head to perform on the big stage in yesterday's CB40 final where his innings was contextually spot on, as was Jonny's the previous evening. Both of these would therefore appear to have shown that they have the temperament to step up. We've seen only a flash of Ben Stokes and are given to understand that he is unable to bowl with a damaged hand for the time being. For the moment then, it would appear that Stokes is third in the queue; he did seem to let his big occasion (the Oval ODI) get to him more than the others did theirs. All should go on to play for England in all formats - but Stokes would seem to be behind the other two for the moment.

  • CricketingStargazer on September 18, 2011, 19:48 GMT

    WTEH, didn't you notice that he has played rather well in these games against India? Exceptionally well, in fact...

  • WTEH on September 18, 2011, 19:22 GMT

    Not sure why Bopara's name is there. I guess he used up all the chances. Now it is time for the new guns.

  • on September 18, 2011, 18:57 GMT

    @Zaid Mohammad I was thinking the same thing.

  • Cpt.Meanster on September 18, 2011, 18:18 GMT

    It's refreshing to see England take the positive note and blood youngsters into the squad. In English conditions these players will be formidable. They could still be very impressive overseas if they play with a positive mindset. I want to see some of these guys in India next month to see how they perform there. A strong English ODI team is good for international cricket. Even though I am not an English fan I want to see England win something in the world stage in 50 overs cricket. They have achieved the no.1 test ranking after God knows how many years. Now I want them to win a world cup to circle off every blank area in the records sheet. Ashes victory - check, No.1 test ranking - check, world cup win - check ! Present Andy Flower with a Knight hood - check.

  • on September 18, 2011, 17:47 GMT

    What happened to James Taylor?

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  • on September 18, 2011, 17:47 GMT

    What happened to James Taylor?

  • Cpt.Meanster on September 18, 2011, 18:18 GMT

    It's refreshing to see England take the positive note and blood youngsters into the squad. In English conditions these players will be formidable. They could still be very impressive overseas if they play with a positive mindset. I want to see some of these guys in India next month to see how they perform there. A strong English ODI team is good for international cricket. Even though I am not an English fan I want to see England win something in the world stage in 50 overs cricket. They have achieved the no.1 test ranking after God knows how many years. Now I want them to win a world cup to circle off every blank area in the records sheet. Ashes victory - check, No.1 test ranking - check, world cup win - check ! Present Andy Flower with a Knight hood - check.

  • on September 18, 2011, 18:57 GMT

    @Zaid Mohammad I was thinking the same thing.

  • WTEH on September 18, 2011, 19:22 GMT

    Not sure why Bopara's name is there. I guess he used up all the chances. Now it is time for the new guns.

  • CricketingStargazer on September 18, 2011, 19:48 GMT

    WTEH, didn't you notice that he has played rather well in these games against India? Exceptionally well, in fact...

  • Nutcutlet on September 18, 2011, 20:05 GMT

    For those of us who do nearly all of our cricket - watching from our sofas, it would appear that England is possessed of some enviable talent in all departments, especially the middle order. Jonny Bairstow memorably grabbed his chance to showcase his awesome ability and power in the Cardiff ODI and Butler showed that he too has a level head to perform on the big stage in yesterday's CB40 final where his innings was contextually spot on, as was Jonny's the previous evening. Both of these would therefore appear to have shown that they have the temperament to step up. We've seen only a flash of Ben Stokes and are given to understand that he is unable to bowl with a damaged hand for the time being. For the moment then, it would appear that Stokes is third in the queue; he did seem to let his big occasion (the Oval ODI) get to him more than the others did theirs. All should go on to play for England in all formats - but Stokes would seem to be behind the other two for the moment.

  • PeterCook on September 18, 2011, 20:29 GMT

    WTEH - Bopara scored 40, 96, then saw England home with 37 not out - why on earth is it hard to work out? He deserves to at least be in the squad.

  • allblue on September 18, 2011, 20:39 GMT

    It is true that there is an astonishing wave of young talent emerging through the County system right now. Two notes of caution - promise at 20 does not guarantee anything, the hard work is yet to come. Also, as the cliché goes it's a 'nice problem' for the selectors to have so many options, but it does complicate the process and getting the mix and balance right becomes tricky. For example, playing Stokes when he couldn't bowl was a mistake in my view, they should have let him play when he was fully fit and not before. Still, exciting times for English cricket, and much credit goes to the much maligned County set-up. The ECB tightening of the Kolpak rules has helped push the Counties in the right direction. Admittedly the standard may have dropped a bit in the short term as those experienced pros departed, but their places were taken by the young tyros who are now knocking at England's door. Every County side has a couple or more such prospects getting games and learning their trade.

  • OhhhhMattyMatty on September 18, 2011, 21:12 GMT

    Hales, Hamilton-Brown(c), Roy, Taylor, Stokes, Bairstow(wk), Buttler, Woakes, Borthwick, Finn, Briggs. Future England side for ODI and T20 cricket. Would loved to have seen this side face the West Indies.

  • Patchmaster on September 18, 2011, 21:34 GMT

    I think Bairstow is a far more exciting prospect than Butler or Stokes, plus he's an excellent fielder and wicket keepers, so if Keiswetter loses form - you have an instant replacement - perfect !