England v South Africa, Champions Trophy, semi-final, The Oval June 19, 2013

Dominant England cruise into final

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England 179 for 3 (Trott 82*, Root 48 ) beat South Africa 175 (Miller 56*, Kleinveldt 43, Tredwell 3-19, Broad 3-50) by seven wickets
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

England and South Africa had not met in a major ICC semi-final since the World Cup in Sydney in 1992, a match which AB de Villiers admitted before the start of play ended with him "crying myself to sleep." Grown man now or not, after the mess South Africa made of this tie, he could be forgiven for repeating the experience.

De Villiers is no longer an innocent child, he is captain of a South Africa one-day side which throughout his lifetime has repeatedly flattered to deceive in ICC tournaments. So it proved once more. England rampaged through the top order as eight wickets fell for 80. It was a muggy morning at Kennington Oval, England won a favourable toss, and for once the white Kookaburra swung, but South Africa contributed immensely to their downfall.

David Miller and Rory Kleinveldt did at least regain a measure of respectability. A record ninth-wicket partnership for South Africa of 95 in 16 overs took them to 175. But all that did was provide Jonathan Trott with a prolonged opportunity to bat much as he wished, seemingly oblivious to the pressure of a Champions Trophy semi-final. He finished with a spritely 82 not out from 84 balls, a seven-wicket win done and dusted with more than 12 overs to spare.

Trott's rate of progress is constantly pored over, his displays routinely regaled by some, condemned by others. As England lost their openers, Alastair Cook and Ian Bell, with 41 on the board, and de Villiers shuffled his bowlers impatiently, looking for a magic trick, no England supporter was carping. They yearned for his stability.

Let me watch in peace, they urged him, build your bubble, do it your way. South Africa wanted his wicket more than any other, but Trott and Root, one imperturbable, the other full of vim, confirmed England's place in the final with a stand of 105 in 20 overs. Root left cursing himself, bowled behind his legs by JP Duminy for 48, but Trott remained productive to the end, completing his ritual post-match scratching of his guard even as Eoin Morgan tried to offer his congratulations. The match was essentially settled by the 23rd over. South Africa batted skittishly, as if 300-plus and the sooner the better, was essential. Critically, they lost their most influential batsman, Hashim Amla for a single and the reverberations of that were felt deep into the order. The coach, Gary Kirsten, voiced what many were thinking. "We choked," he said. To some extent it was a traditional exercise in self-flagellation because this was not a hugely strong South Africa side from the off.

England's mood was set by the connoisseur of swing bowling, James Anderson, whose opening spell of 2 for 11 was extended to seven overs as his captain, Cook, sought to break South Africa early while the conventional swing persisted.

Wickets in the first two overs of South Africa's innings got England moving. Anderson can cut a serious, brooding figure, but the closeness of the morning left him full of smiles before the start. He removed Colin Ingram for nought with his fifth ball, outswinger followed by inswinger and an lbw verdict

Steven Finn has been stalking around the Champions Trophy, none too happy about his omission from the side, but Tim Bresnan's absence, to be with his wife Hannah with their baby imminent, gave him his first appearance of the tournament. Cook gave him the new ball and challenged him to channel that anger and his fourth delivery brought England the prize wicket of Amla as he failed to withdraw from an outswinger, the first of six catches behind the stumps for Jos Buttler.

Even in the early overs, England were planning for the possibility of reverse swing on a dry square later in the day. Stuart Broad began to bowl cross seam, to encourage wear on the ball, as early as the 10th over - and it brought him a wicket, too, as de Villiers was out without scoring, lashing at a wide one and caught at the wicket off an under-edge.

Peterson's appearance at No. 3 encapsulated South Africa's confusion. He was a pinch hitter in inappropriate conditions. If his left-handedness was perceived as an advantage, Anderson revels against left-handers when the ball is swinging. It was an unconvincing ploy. He acquitted himself better than most, taking three boundaries off a wayward over from Finn before Anderson had him lbw.

But this was not just a story about quick bowling. South Africa were so destabilised that a few overs of routine, if intelligently-delivered, offspin by James Tredwell caused further havoc. Tredwell, who was substituting for Graeme Swann, had 3 for 19 in his seven overs as well as causing the downfall, run out, of Ryan McLaren. The bounty that fell upon him was recognised with the man-of-the-match award.

No batsman summed up South Africa's failures more than Duminy. He was all at sea during his 11-ball stay. He survived a first-ball nought when he reviewed an lbw decision for Broad and was reprieved as replays showed the ball had pitched outside leg stump. He then should have fallen lbw third ball but Tredwell, with everything in his favour as Duminy was beaten on the back foot, politely refused a review as if offered a second piece of lemon drizzle cake. Duminy soon chopped on against Tredwell in any case.

Tredwell's success did not end there. Faf du Plessis, who had been as secure as anyone, fell for 26 when he flashed at a quicker, flatter ball and was caught at the wicket.

The wicket, though, that brought hearty applause from Swann in the England dressing room will not appear against his name. It was the run out of McLaren who was so unhinged by flight and turn that he ran several paces down the pitch. Trott, who caught the ball at first slip, had the presence of mind to throw down the stumps to effect the run out.

At 80 for 8, South Africa's one consolation was that they batted deep. They at least avoided the lowest one-day score ever made at The Oval batting first, New Zealand's 158 against West Indies in 1975.

They immediately took the batting Powerplay, which Miller greeted by smashing Finn over long-on for six. Miller unveiled his T20 one-legged slash over point, Broad disappearing for six more, and Kleinveldt slugged away when Cook finally felt obliged in the 30th over to introduce his weaker bowlers in tandem.

Broad finally ended the recovery with successive short balls to dismiss Kleinveldt and Lonwabo Tsotsobe, first ball. All that remained for England was a regulation dose of Trott, the finest suppressor of panic disorder on the market.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • SaracensBob on June 20, 2013, 1:06 GMT

    Well done England! Clearly a good toss to win so well-called Mr Cook. How would Eng have fared if they had to bat first? Still, a composed and professional performance from the boys. Trott and Root marshalled the run chase beautifully. Old slow-coach Trotty out-scoring his young tyro partner by a run a ball. Pity that the boy Root threw his wicket away in KP fashion - he's young and he'll learn ( a little more JT and a bit less KP will do you well Joe!) Should be a good game between SL and India tomorrow. Whoever wins will be a tough (maybe too tough) opponent for England in the final. All to the good - as cricket fans we all want to see hard, competitive, exciting games. Good luck to all involved! May the best team win.

  • landl47 on June 19, 2013, 21:12 GMT

    One of the encouraging things to me was that two of England's young players had very good games. Buttler had a tremendous game behind the wicket. Two catches off Tredwell, two stunning catches off Finn and Broad and a very good one to dismiss DeVilliers. Only the last catch was routine. I haven't been impressed by Buttler's wicketkeeping in the past, but no-one could have kept better today.

    Then Root showed once again why he is developing into one of the best young batsmen in the world. With England two down (and those two Cook and Bell) for 41 England might have been in trouble had they lost another quick wicket. Instead Root made a solid 48 and, in company with the reliable Trott, put the match beyond reach. In 14 ODI innings he's only once been out under 20 and that was in the end-of-innings thrash against Australia, when he made 12; otherwise 28 is his lowest score.

    Great to watch these two young (age 22) players do well.

  • on June 19, 2013, 17:47 GMT

    No one could defend a score that low. I doubt the inclusion of Steyn would've made a difference. At the end of the day not one of the top order batsmen could settle down enough. It's interesting to note that two of the least experienced Proteas managed to remain calm and do the job. Even though cricket is a team sport individual performances shape a match. I think it's fair to say that Morris and Kleinfeldt played good cricket and don't deserve to be included in the 'Choker' category. Once again SA tripped over themselves and handed the match to the opponent. Although saying that is probably very disrespectful and unfair to an English team who now find themselves at the top of their game. Well done England! Back to the drawing board with you SA.

  • Greatest_Game on June 19, 2013, 17:39 GMT

    A well deserved win/doddle in the park for England. Anderson opened with the match's best bowling, tearing into a clueless Ingram & inspiring England to ratchet up the pressure. After undecided Amla hashed an unremarkable delivery, & Buttler showed that holding the catch gets rid of him, Eng set about exacting just revenge for their last Oval encounter with SA.

    Anderson's impeccable bowling broke the 2nd wicket resistance, & the Proteas meekly/stupidly/irresponsibly surrendered their wickets. Only Miller, Kleinveldt & Peterson batted with focus, composure, & confidence, & showed what a great match this could have been. The result was unremarkable. England simply walked out and did the job with quiet professionalism. SA's 2nd string attack was neither daunting nor humiliated.

    England have a well-deserved shot at the Trophy, & I truly hope they take it. Their place, & my respect, are earned. We Saffers know well the ache of "The Long Wait!"

    Good luck.

    P.S. Its WIN, not whinge!

  • Harmony111 on June 24, 2013, 10:36 GMT

    @JG2704: Since you seem a bit too intent, I'd like to ask you one thing. Suppose a tourist goes to some Place X knowing fully well that the Place X is not good for tourism, has fleecing shopkeepers, poor roads, tardy hotels, high crime rate blah blah. He goes there knowing all this and yet when he reaches there he starts cribbing about these very things. He starts making noise about hos this Place X is so bad and goes back swearing he will never come again. But in a few months he comes back again and again making those very complaints and goes back. Then he comes back again and again and again. Each time he leaves with those same complaints.

    Please tell me what will you advise him about all this. Think and tell.

    Cricinfo Mods: Pls publish. I've tried to explain a cricketing situation using an analogy of a weird tourist.

  • Harmony111 on June 24, 2013, 8:47 GMT

    @JG2704: There are many ways in which I'd like to expand on what I or Cpt.Meanster think about Tests/ODIs/T20s but the forum is a bit limited and too slow for me to do that. Putting it simply, you are wrong in thinking/arguing that Indian fans do not like Tests but like ODIs/T20s. You are free to make any combination of the 3 forms and I am asserting that Ind fans will 'generally' like that combo. So your argument that India should not play tests is invalid from the outset. I've often said and repeat here too that for all the love that Eng have for Tests, the disjointed set of Test fans from Ind will far outnumber it and the same is true for ODIs & T20s too.

    Talking specifically about Cpt.Meanster, pls search for a cricinfo article ---"ODIs about 60-40 in India's favour"--- & read what he said at Jan 9, 2013, 18:42 GMT.

    He said ------"While I do respect test cricket........"------. What does it mean?

  • Harmony111 on June 23, 2013, 6:23 GMT

    Cricinfo Mods : Pls publish.

    @JG2704: Why I brought Sachin in? Pls read that comment of mine where I explained the background to GG as it was clear to me why GRVJPR posted that comment. Sachin has often been criticized for failing in the big matches by some people who focus solely on his failures in such matches but who ignore those big matches where Sachin gave match winning performances + they also bring in those less imp matches where Sachin scored runs but India lost narrowly for eg Sachin's 175 vs Aus while chasing 350 & 136 vs Pak chasing 258. Some people have also called Sachin selfish for scoring 100s when Ind lost. Pls see the point here --- although it may seem so but no one's actually saying that Amla is a bad player or can't handle pressure. The hidden point is that anyone can be made to look like a selfish player using these tactics.

  • JG2704 on June 22, 2013, 11:00 GMT

    please publish this time - nothing of offence , just a question to another poster

    @Harmony111 on (June 20, 2013, 20:03 GMT) So a direct question - Do you agree with Cpt Meanster that England should not play the other formats or disagree with him?

  • Harmony111 on June 21, 2013, 21:10 GMT

    @Dark_Harlequin: Your comment somewhat proves what I am saying. If the idea is that Tests are better cos they are more difficult or challenging then it is like finding the drug for cancer vs doing the more fun filled activity. T20 is fun, ODI is fun. Of course Tests are fun too but that is a diff kind of fun. And we all have our own ways of seeking fun of various kinds.

    I didn't mean you do not think. I had asked you to think about that specific point. Sure you know that more people know about Bolt, Tyson & Powell. I have seen these guys run, I was waiting for the 100 metre Finals in the London Olympics. On the other hand, I honestly have not ever actually seen Gabrselassie running live and am not even sure if he runs the 5k or the 10k race. The other long distance runners I am partially aware of are Nureddin Morcelli and Hitchem El Gourejj. That's it.

  • JG2704 on June 21, 2013, 19:14 GMT

    @Chris_P on (June 20, 2013, 22:04 GMT) I don't have an issue with folk having preferences and have never tried to say tests are better etc. I enjoy,respect all forms of the game. Look forward to the Ashes and I'm not sure it'll be 1 sided like some here think. Aus were awful in India but that was as much the spin issue as anything and they did far better vs SA than the previous series. I see they have an import spinner of their own they're trying to get clearance for. Is that happening and how good is he?

  • SaracensBob on June 20, 2013, 1:06 GMT

    Well done England! Clearly a good toss to win so well-called Mr Cook. How would Eng have fared if they had to bat first? Still, a composed and professional performance from the boys. Trott and Root marshalled the run chase beautifully. Old slow-coach Trotty out-scoring his young tyro partner by a run a ball. Pity that the boy Root threw his wicket away in KP fashion - he's young and he'll learn ( a little more JT and a bit less KP will do you well Joe!) Should be a good game between SL and India tomorrow. Whoever wins will be a tough (maybe too tough) opponent for England in the final. All to the good - as cricket fans we all want to see hard, competitive, exciting games. Good luck to all involved! May the best team win.

  • landl47 on June 19, 2013, 21:12 GMT

    One of the encouraging things to me was that two of England's young players had very good games. Buttler had a tremendous game behind the wicket. Two catches off Tredwell, two stunning catches off Finn and Broad and a very good one to dismiss DeVilliers. Only the last catch was routine. I haven't been impressed by Buttler's wicketkeeping in the past, but no-one could have kept better today.

    Then Root showed once again why he is developing into one of the best young batsmen in the world. With England two down (and those two Cook and Bell) for 41 England might have been in trouble had they lost another quick wicket. Instead Root made a solid 48 and, in company with the reliable Trott, put the match beyond reach. In 14 ODI innings he's only once been out under 20 and that was in the end-of-innings thrash against Australia, when he made 12; otherwise 28 is his lowest score.

    Great to watch these two young (age 22) players do well.

  • on June 19, 2013, 17:47 GMT

    No one could defend a score that low. I doubt the inclusion of Steyn would've made a difference. At the end of the day not one of the top order batsmen could settle down enough. It's interesting to note that two of the least experienced Proteas managed to remain calm and do the job. Even though cricket is a team sport individual performances shape a match. I think it's fair to say that Morris and Kleinfeldt played good cricket and don't deserve to be included in the 'Choker' category. Once again SA tripped over themselves and handed the match to the opponent. Although saying that is probably very disrespectful and unfair to an English team who now find themselves at the top of their game. Well done England! Back to the drawing board with you SA.

  • Greatest_Game on June 19, 2013, 17:39 GMT

    A well deserved win/doddle in the park for England. Anderson opened with the match's best bowling, tearing into a clueless Ingram & inspiring England to ratchet up the pressure. After undecided Amla hashed an unremarkable delivery, & Buttler showed that holding the catch gets rid of him, Eng set about exacting just revenge for their last Oval encounter with SA.

    Anderson's impeccable bowling broke the 2nd wicket resistance, & the Proteas meekly/stupidly/irresponsibly surrendered their wickets. Only Miller, Kleinveldt & Peterson batted with focus, composure, & confidence, & showed what a great match this could have been. The result was unremarkable. England simply walked out and did the job with quiet professionalism. SA's 2nd string attack was neither daunting nor humiliated.

    England have a well-deserved shot at the Trophy, & I truly hope they take it. Their place, & my respect, are earned. We Saffers know well the ache of "The Long Wait!"

    Good luck.

    P.S. Its WIN, not whinge!

  • Harmony111 on June 24, 2013, 10:36 GMT

    @JG2704: Since you seem a bit too intent, I'd like to ask you one thing. Suppose a tourist goes to some Place X knowing fully well that the Place X is not good for tourism, has fleecing shopkeepers, poor roads, tardy hotels, high crime rate blah blah. He goes there knowing all this and yet when he reaches there he starts cribbing about these very things. He starts making noise about hos this Place X is so bad and goes back swearing he will never come again. But in a few months he comes back again and again making those very complaints and goes back. Then he comes back again and again and again. Each time he leaves with those same complaints.

    Please tell me what will you advise him about all this. Think and tell.

    Cricinfo Mods: Pls publish. I've tried to explain a cricketing situation using an analogy of a weird tourist.

  • Harmony111 on June 24, 2013, 8:47 GMT

    @JG2704: There are many ways in which I'd like to expand on what I or Cpt.Meanster think about Tests/ODIs/T20s but the forum is a bit limited and too slow for me to do that. Putting it simply, you are wrong in thinking/arguing that Indian fans do not like Tests but like ODIs/T20s. You are free to make any combination of the 3 forms and I am asserting that Ind fans will 'generally' like that combo. So your argument that India should not play tests is invalid from the outset. I've often said and repeat here too that for all the love that Eng have for Tests, the disjointed set of Test fans from Ind will far outnumber it and the same is true for ODIs & T20s too.

    Talking specifically about Cpt.Meanster, pls search for a cricinfo article ---"ODIs about 60-40 in India's favour"--- & read what he said at Jan 9, 2013, 18:42 GMT.

    He said ------"While I do respect test cricket........"------. What does it mean?

  • Harmony111 on June 23, 2013, 6:23 GMT

    Cricinfo Mods : Pls publish.

    @JG2704: Why I brought Sachin in? Pls read that comment of mine where I explained the background to GG as it was clear to me why GRVJPR posted that comment. Sachin has often been criticized for failing in the big matches by some people who focus solely on his failures in such matches but who ignore those big matches where Sachin gave match winning performances + they also bring in those less imp matches where Sachin scored runs but India lost narrowly for eg Sachin's 175 vs Aus while chasing 350 & 136 vs Pak chasing 258. Some people have also called Sachin selfish for scoring 100s when Ind lost. Pls see the point here --- although it may seem so but no one's actually saying that Amla is a bad player or can't handle pressure. The hidden point is that anyone can be made to look like a selfish player using these tactics.

  • JG2704 on June 22, 2013, 11:00 GMT

    please publish this time - nothing of offence , just a question to another poster

    @Harmony111 on (June 20, 2013, 20:03 GMT) So a direct question - Do you agree with Cpt Meanster that England should not play the other formats or disagree with him?

  • Harmony111 on June 21, 2013, 21:10 GMT

    @Dark_Harlequin: Your comment somewhat proves what I am saying. If the idea is that Tests are better cos they are more difficult or challenging then it is like finding the drug for cancer vs doing the more fun filled activity. T20 is fun, ODI is fun. Of course Tests are fun too but that is a diff kind of fun. And we all have our own ways of seeking fun of various kinds.

    I didn't mean you do not think. I had asked you to think about that specific point. Sure you know that more people know about Bolt, Tyson & Powell. I have seen these guys run, I was waiting for the 100 metre Finals in the London Olympics. On the other hand, I honestly have not ever actually seen Gabrselassie running live and am not even sure if he runs the 5k or the 10k race. The other long distance runners I am partially aware of are Nureddin Morcelli and Hitchem El Gourejj. That's it.

  • JG2704 on June 21, 2013, 19:14 GMT

    @Chris_P on (June 20, 2013, 22:04 GMT) I don't have an issue with folk having preferences and have never tried to say tests are better etc. I enjoy,respect all forms of the game. Look forward to the Ashes and I'm not sure it'll be 1 sided like some here think. Aus were awful in India but that was as much the spin issue as anything and they did far better vs SA than the previous series. I see they have an import spinner of their own they're trying to get clearance for. Is that happening and how good is he?

  • on June 21, 2013, 9:56 GMT

    Just imagine how England would have gone in this series if KP had been fit.

  • Harmony111 on June 21, 2013, 9:32 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding: Things have been entangled a bit here. Let me tell you I don't dislike Tests at all, I love them. But besides Tests, I also love ODIs & T20s. I am a cricket sponge. You are free to have your own likings, no problem there. My sole point is, what Person X likes or dislikes is due to his own volition. What you or I think or what BCCI or ECB or Timbuctoo Cricket Board thinks should not mean that that Person X's opinion is inferior. He may even change his opinion some day, that is fine too. I don't usually watch Tennis nor do I follow it but I do follow French Open & Wimbledon with some passion. That does not mean that I should say those who watch US Open are all dumbos.

    And like I said, one may be ambivalent or even impertinent to ODIs/T20s and may be a Test connoisseur but that still doesn't mean he can look down upon those who have dissimilar tastes.

    I have made myself clear. If you still think I am wrong then pls point it out calmly.

  • JG2704 on June 21, 2013, 8:28 GMT

    @Pyketts on (June 20, 2013, 22:04 GMT) Out of interest , why would you need to move Trott up to open when he doesn't naturally open and is doing well at 3 or do you just want him out of the side altogether? Anyway the latter would be fantasy. But in such a world where both Cook and Bell were out you'd be altering the balance of the top 3 by 66% rather than 33% by just dropping 1. I suppose Root is a player who could play both types of role. Re Morgan - I still think he's capable of delivering big knocks as he proved vs India in T20 but I'd maybe try Buttler ahead of him in the order and give him more responsibility If I was looking at dropping Cook and Bell and have another batsman come in my preference would be Wright. And no , it doesn't seem strange altering the balance. I've been calling for it for a while

  • JG2704 on June 21, 2013, 8:02 GMT

    @Greatest_Game -

    Cheers bud. It makes a pleasant change to talk to folk who appreciate honest viewponts and if I disagree with your comms in the future , don't take it personally. I don't think there's any regular English (my own country) poster who I have not disagreed with at some point or other but it's impossible (if you're being honest) to agree with everyone all the time

    I think the game was a one off and the shots from AB and Hash are rarities. In the batting pretty much everyone bar Miller had a bad off day. Re Phangiso - I just feel he had the style to unsettle Eng. Although the job was pretty much done in the 1st inns I'd say Eng have more trouble (any fmt) vs quality spin than quality pace. Even though Steyn and VP cause us huge probs I'd always be happier to see our batsmen facing them than guys like Ajmal and Herath

  • Harlequin. on June 21, 2013, 7:44 GMT

    @Harmony - apologies then, I thought I might have missed a post - it happens! Yes, T20s and tests require different skill sets, but the reason I think tests are considered the pinnacle are that the skills required for T20 can be seen in tests (just not as frequently) but many of the skills required for tests are missing from T20. I think the issue is possibly the definition of the word 'pinnacle'. Just because something is harder doesn't make it more preferable, and just because something is more fun doesn't make it the ultimate form - to take an example from my own field (chemistry), the pinnacle would be something like finding an anti-cancer drug but I have much more fun burning stuff as a fire-engineer!

    as for the 5000m vs 100m, personally I have infinitely more respect for Gabrselassie than I do for Bolt. And I'm not sure I like the insinuation that I don't think about all of my posts! ;)

  • Chris_P on June 20, 2013, 22:04 GMT

    @JG2704. There you go again, using logic to the logically challenged re: tests vs. shorter formats.

  • Pyketts on June 20, 2013, 22:04 GMT

    @JG2704 Good point re KP but I'd like him to open with Trott (I just think he would do such a good job opening the batting in this form of the game) which still leads me back to the dropping of Cook as he couldn't really come in at 3 (especially if the openers did a good job and batted for say 20 or so overs) as it would slow the tempo too much. Don't think you'd have the same problem with Bell (but probably a different problem of getting to 20 and then getting out!). Maybe give Bairstow a go?

    I just feel (and to be honest I haven't checked the stats) that Morgan's star has been falling a bit in recent times but he's one of our only real 6 hitters so I tend to agree he should stay in.

    I wouldn't change anything for the next game but in the long term I think we need to change the strucure of the team a bit (might seem a strange comment given we've just got to a final!)

  • Greatest_Game on June 20, 2013, 20:25 GMT

    @ JG2704. Likewise - I've enjoyed your posts for years! Yes, Eng had the advantages of toss win & Steyn injury, but they intelligently exploited them. SA selected badly, then panicked.

    SELECTION: Phangiso was an option, but seeing off Jimmy was priority 1. Alviro has faced him, in Eng, WITH AMLA AS PARTNER! (Partnerships: 22 inngs, 979 runs @ ave 44.5.) Amla was indecisive when he nicked - unusual for him. Would he be more focused opening with Alviro, or Ingram? Bad selection.

    PANIC (or not): 4th inngs, Lords. Swann/Prior post 64 in 10 overs. Philander/Steyn wait. Eng get very close. But, new ball, wickets fall, all over. No panic. Adelaide 2012. Clarke is stymied. 4 hours, & AB attacks nothing: 33 off 220 with unknown, immovable Faf, 7.75 hours, 110 off 376. They broke an Aus attack with patience, not panic.

    Yesterday, they panicked & played rash shots! The difference? Leadership! AB pretends cool, but is edgy, risky. That communicates like a virus, to team & opponents. We saw it!

  • JG2704 on June 20, 2013, 20:22 GMT

    @Pyketts - If Bell was making way for KP there would be no need to bring in another opener as KP could slot straight back in as an opener - where he had success in UAE. Also Cook (if only slightly) has a better average and SR than Bell. Re Morgan , I genuinely had an inclin that he was not going to be offered a full CC and it would lead to him quitting Eng so he could go freelance but I see he's been given the T20 captaincy so maybe that will help keep him in the set up. I'd definitely he have him in there. He averages similar to Cook and Bell but with a much higher SR.

  • JG2704 on June 20, 2013, 20:22 GMT

    @ Harmony111 on - So on the test vs shorter formats debate , you're agreeing with Cpt Meanster that Eng should not take place in these tournaments because tests are more their priority? So I'm guessing you'd then also be in agreement that if the priority formats for Indian fans are 50 over/T20 then they should not play test cricket? CM has already spoken for his countrymen's fan's saying that tests are a waste of time so either you support his views and think India should not play test cricket and Eng shouldn't play shorter formats or you go along with the theory that there is no logical reason why England shouldn't play shorter formats just because test cricket is their priority just like India shouldn't play test cricket just because shorter formats are their priority?

  • JG2704 on June 20, 2013, 20:21 GMT

    @ Harmony111 on (June 19, 2013, 20:00 GMT) Re your response to Greatest Game's comms. Why are you bringing Sachin into the argument? Greatest Game's comms don't even hint at mentioning Sachin and neither does GRVJPR in his comments. The accusation is that Amla fails in big matches to which Greatest game has responded - not by saying Amla is better than anyone etc but just stating examples which disprove the theory that Amla fails in big matches. He also scored a triple century vs Eng , in Eng in the series where SA took over the number 1 spot.

  • Harmony111 on June 20, 2013, 20:03 GMT

    @Dark_Harlequin: Yep you did miss something. A crucial comment's removal has caused a break in the thread's continuity.

    I am challenging the deeply set notion that Tests are the ultimate and ODIs & T20s are somehow lesser forms. I like all three forms equally and I also recognize that each form requires a slightly different kind of skill set. It is not that tests need wider set, they have diff requirements and T20s have diff requirements. But when I look around, I do realize that each may have his own preferences. So Eng fans may like Tests more while WI fans may like T20s more. They are all right. Wrong are those who say their choice is the higher form. The whole debate is about this. So when someone says Tests are the pinnacle IRRESPECTIVE of what the other side thinks, that is plain wrong.

    Is a 500 mt distance runner better or worse than a 100 mt sprinter? Think.

  • Harmony111 on June 20, 2013, 15:59 GMT

    @ Dark_Harlequin: Yep you did miss something. A reply of CricketingStargazer was first published and after I'd replied to it, it was removed so there is a break in the continuity for someone who came in late.

    I am challenging the deeply set notion that Tests are the ultimate and ODIs & T20s are somehow lesser forms. I like all three forms equally and I also recognize that each form requires a slightly different kind of skill set. It is not that tests need wider set, they have diff requirements and T20s have diff requirements. But when I look around, I do realize that each may have his own preferences. So Eng fans may like Tests more while WI fans may like T20s more. They are all right. Wrong are those who say their choice is the higher form. The whole debate is about this. So when someone says Tests are the pinnacle IRRESPECTIVE of what the other side thinks, that is plain wrong.

    Is a 5000 metre distance runner better or worse than a 100 metre sprinter? Think and reply.

  • MartinC on June 20, 2013, 14:58 GMT

    Just on the question of Cooks place in the ODI side. Since he became Captain he has scored just short fo 2000 runs in 48 games at an average of 44 and a strike rate of 83. He has 4 hundreds and 15 50's in that period.

    Yet some people want to drop him? Really? He and Trott are going nowhere.

    As for Bell he scored a match winning 91 in the first game of the CT against OZ and a great hundred in the last ODI in India - again a match winning knock. People have short memories - thank heavens the days when selectors chopped and changed based on the last 2 weeks form have long gone.

  • on June 20, 2013, 14:50 GMT

    SA did not choke. They batted in worse conditions earlier in the day. Then they bowled without Steyn, Morkel, and Philander. Imagine if England had to bat first and these three bowlers were around, as was Kallis with the ball & the bat.

  • Greatest_Game on June 20, 2013, 14:37 GMT

    Naman Gupta. After Duminy made his fantastic debut in Australia 08, he was exposed against spin. In SA 09/10, Swann took him 3 times in 7 inns, In the 2010 India tour he was horrible, Harbhajan got him lbw every time, incl a golden. He was dropped from the test side, & took some time to get back in after working hard on playing spin. Lately he seems to have reverted, playing off the back foot against spin, relying on quick hands to get to the ball after the turn. The spinners bowl fuller & fuller, cramping him as he goes back. If he came forward to the full balls, playing them on the bounce, they would have to adjust their lengths for him instead of dictating.

    Its no coincidence that Treadwell was brought on 2 balls after Duminy came in! 1st ball from Treadwell he was hit on the pads. Given not out, but if Eng had reviewed, hawk eye would have overturned the decision. 5 more balls from Treadwell & he was gone, cramped & trying to cut very late, on the back foot. That's the reality!

  • YorkshirePudding on June 20, 2013, 13:39 GMT

    @ Harmony111, actually, the ICC have stated that Test cricket is the Pinnacle of the game, the National boards all state that Test cricket is the Pinnacle of the game, even players state this, thus what I said was not denegrating it was a matter of fact statement.

    In fact you might want to google "Test cricket pinnacle of cricket", you will see names like Gaveskar, Sanga, and many more stating such fact. If someone doesnt want to watch test cricket that is thier option, just as its my opinion in regards to ODI cricket, I am totally ambivalent to this form and the T20 Format.

    I dont get worked into a lather because my team goes out or loses in a final, its the nature of Tournaments the world over. The best team can go out due to injuries, a series of bad luck or just having an off day, NZ is one such team, who I think should have been playing india today as if it wasnt for rain against Aus I suspect they would have qualified top.

  • Pyketts on June 20, 2013, 12:33 GMT

    @JG2704 I think Bell will have to go because of Cook being captain but I don't agree.

    Cook should go, Trott to open with A Another (Carburry?) and Bell at three. This won't happen as they will insist on playing Cook. It appears to be a shoot out between Bell and KP and even I can't stick up for Bell in that context!

    As a side thought, Morgan out for KP? Can do the unusal but not consistant enough?

  • JG2704 on June 20, 2013, 12:06 GMT

    Pyketts on (June 20, 2013, 6:32 GMT) I still would go with 2 of the 3 at the top and have a more aggressive player either opening or in at 3 and I said this when we were doing well and with the current trio and when we were found out. @ Maybe (as in the NZ game) our top 3 could learn to go at a better pace more consistently. Just that I thought we were declining in that dept until the last couple of games. Presuming KP comes back - KP for Bell? Or if not for Bell who would he come in for? Again , it's not an anti Bell thing but right now I think Trott is playing better than Bell and I don't like the balance at the top and Cook is captain?

  • JG2704 on June 20, 2013, 12:05 GMT

    @Imran Ahsanon (June 19, 2013, 21:34 GMT) You mentioned about SA trying to make things happen. Surely SA were more guilty of trying too hard to make things happen. In the context of the innings Peterson's SR was the second highest and his SR and runs scored were better than anyone in the top 6 so in a way that worked. Also I think (with the bat) the fact that they put RP up the order and the way AB got out proved they were trying to make things happen and to be fair when you consider the wickets they were losing their RR wasn't all that bad. Had they had wickets in hand going at that RR and they scored at 8 an over for the rest of the game they'd have scored 260+ and at 10rpo they'd have scored near

  • JG2704 on June 20, 2013, 12:05 GMT

    @gibbs.175 on (June 19, 2013, 21:15 GMT) Elgar has been playing for Somerset in Alviro's absence and he's by and large been awful. I think your side was pretty much as good as it could be with those you had available. I'd have played Phangiso for sure. It was just one of those days re batsmen. AB is a quality player and would get in most world 11s and the way he and Amla (their best and most senior batsmen) got out probably summed up what sort of day it was

    re how Elgar has been going at Somerset - have a look at recent Somerset results on http://www.espncricinfo.com/somerset/content/current/team/1333.html?template=fixtures&season=2013

  • Rick_T on June 20, 2013, 11:56 GMT

    SirViv1973 - Hi. I wasn't saying that the umpire's decision was incorrect, only that it was contentious.

    Regarding the result, NZ needed 34 runs off 16 deliveries to draw the game which is all they needed. After Williamson was out, it was 6 down so no batsmen left to come in. Then NZ scored 24 off 15 balls for the loss of 1 wicket and then lost another wicket on the last delivery of the game when the game was almost certainly gone. So wickets didn't come easily for ENG in the final overs.

    The reason I said that NZ would almost certainly have won was that Williamson had increased the tempo just before being given out. He had scored 4,1,6,2,4,1 in the previous 6 balls. Considering that NZ fell 10 runs short and with a well-set batsman at the crease (67 off 54), that's why I said that NZ would almost certainly have won the game. But of course, we'll never know.

  • delboy on June 20, 2013, 11:47 GMT

    There is poetic justice! SA obviously a game too far. NZ on the other hand will have to await the Monday 24 June headlines... We will not witness the 6 sixes and over by Yuvraj, but Kohli or Dhoni could oblige b also putting away each No ball free hit hence Broad going for 72 this time round. Sri Lanka could yet prevent this so lets wait for Monday's GLORY!

  • Harlequin. on June 20, 2013, 11:00 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding, definitely with you on this one - Cpt.Meanster was being argumentative and outlandish in suggesting that England shouldn't play ODI tournaments because their fans don't care. It's a little ridiculous. @harmony111, I might have missed something, but saying that test cricket is the pinnacle isn't disrespecting the opinions of someone else - you seem to be putting words in his mouth there. 'pinnacle' doesn't have to be to do with taste, it is probably more to do with skill, and it is widely regarded (more by the players than by people commenting on threads) that test cricket requires a broader skill set than limited overs cricket. You hear players all the time saying 'I want to be remembered for my test performances', even supposed ODI specialists like Raina, yet I can't remember the last time I heard a player say that they want to be remembered for their T20 strike rate - to me, that shows why test cricket is the pinnacle and it has nothing to do with taste.

  • TheBigBoodha on June 20, 2013, 10:43 GMT

    I can't see how SA choked. Luck has a huge amount to do with results, regardless of what anyone tells you. England bowled first in perfect seamers' conditions, and SA were without their two linchpins, Steyn and Morkel due to injury. We all know that the English attack is Jekyll and Hyde. 2/600 in sunny conditions, anyone? The same attack.

    Anyway, at Edgbaston England will lose by a huge margin if they bowl first and bat second. The toss will determine the Resultt. If you don't know what I am talking about, go back and look at the three games there that lasted more than ten overs of the second innings.

  • kiwicricketnut on June 20, 2013, 10:38 GMT

    even though we sucked and got knocked out by england its heartening to see how much england has destroyed the likes of aussie and south africa, it really puts what nz did against them into perspective first a series win then a narrow loss in the champions trophy, after seeing all 8 teams in action i actually think nz is in the top teir in odi cricket and is a team on the rise. hoping for a england, srilanka final after all the talk of how weak pool b was compared to pool A, good luck to both.

  • Mitty2 on June 20, 2013, 10:30 GMT

    Although I'm reluctant to give any credit to the poms for anything about now... It was a very good win. Domination, still not sure about their batting, but you feel if it is in the second innings it won't matter as the target will be known. But a top 3 of Bell, Cook and Trott in batting first and not chasing has looked lost and not authoritative at all, and above all puts too much pressure on the middle order. But in chasing they all seem much better.

    Regardless, the England ODI bowling - unlike their test bowling - is very tight, constrictive and puts constant pressure on the batsmen. They way they strangled us (Aus) in the first match was outstanding - and it was led by Broad ironically enough. And they did the same here, with more wickets going to genuinely very good bowls and not the batsmen's mistake. But to the point, whatever the flaws in the batting game plan, the bowling plan and execution of more than makes up for it. Very good win

    India outright favourites, by a long mile.

  • JG2704 on June 20, 2013, 10:28 GMT

    Please publish this time - England/SA have been getting this undeserved tag throughout the tournament , so now I'm just agreeing with them.

    I think what we had here (and I'm sure the neutrals will agree) were 2 undeserving sides meeting for the right to get beaten by India in the final. SA were undeserving because WI were deserving of the 2nd spot (as pointed out by so many neutrals) due to their devastating group stage form and England are basically always undeserving whenever they win.

  • Harmony111 on June 20, 2013, 10:06 GMT

    @YorkshirePudding: You said that if someone thinks ODIs & T20s are the be all and end all then it is their opinion --- till then it was fine. You were making sense but then you had also said to Cpt.Meanster that irrespective of what he opines, Tests are the pinnacle of the game and that's where the thrusting of your opinion started. It also showed a blatant disregard for what the other person likes or dislikes and betrayed a mindset where what your like is #1 and the other person must be wrong if he thinks otherwise. You'd asked me where is the denigration, I've just now shown it to you.

    I say if you like Tests, its cool. Go ahead, watch it. Just don't tell me that what you are into is decidedly better than what I am into. That is proselytizing.

    Reg DRS: Yes there was/is a problem but DRS is like NASA's space pen vs USSR's pencil. When even DRS fails, proponents say Oh its for howlers only, yet a mere slo-mo + Common Sense can deal with those howlers too. So why DRS huh?

  • deep6321 on June 20, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    So here we watched again SA not living up to the expectations. I had imagined that ENG will prove out to be a superior team.But I had not imagined that SA will sink so low . None of their batsmen or bowlers did do nothing. All the big names ABD,Amla,Ingram,Duminy faf failed . It was shocking to see SA batting . England just ran through their batting and they just let them do it. Scores like 80/8 comes once in a 4-5 years span and SA chose the Semifinal of ICC Champions trophy for this score.I do not know what to call it but SA were like a non test playing nation.

  • Pyketts on June 20, 2013, 9:43 GMT

    @jmcilhinney how often does Trott actually fail? His record would indicate not that often.

    Using your basis England would have to drop, Cook, Bell, Trott and Root. Just who would take their places? Frankly Trott would be the last of those four that anyone would drop so let me know who would fill the three spaces created and then who would replace Trott.

    I accept we need more attacking players in the side but not at the expense of Trott.

  • burslemcc4 on June 20, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    Sorry but Cook is still a poor captain. Why waste 7-8 overs of Root/Bopara when he still had plenty of overs left from his frontline bowlers? Very odd.

  • YorkshirePudding on June 20, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    @Harmony111, who denigrating the otherside, I'm mearly stating that ODI's and T20 are not my choice, if people want to believe that these formats are the be all and end all of cricket then thats thier opinion.

    At the end of the day Tournament Cricket (and tournament sport in general) is about one off performances, peaking at the right time, and having the right draw.

    The DRS is a problem with the BCCI as on one hadn they love to critisize umpires when they get decisions wrong(especially if its against India) even though the technology is there to solve the problem and rectify the issue. the Predicitve element is a support tool to give an indication and if its marginal it stays with the on field umpire, only when its a blatent mistake (hitting Middle half way up), and in the end Hawkeye/Eagle eye has helped umpires understand LBW's against spin a lot more, which has seen a rise in spinners getting more LBW's than they did 15 years ago.

  • on June 20, 2013, 8:48 GMT

    So its gonna be England Vs Sri Lanka in the final.... it will be great to watch them playing. Quality teams, good and down-to earth players

  • jmcilhinney on June 20, 2013, 8:30 GMT

    Some people have been saying they hope this innings will silence Trott's critics. As someone who has been critical of Trott at times, it's not going to silence me. Unlike some, I haven't been calling for Trott to be dropped but for him to change the way he plays. Trott has an excellent avg and a decent SR when compared to his contemporaries and I've never denied that. It's been said that, when he scores runs, he usually ends up with a pretty good SR, often a run a ball, for that innings and I've not denied that either. I have two gripes re Trott. First, if England are ever in real trouble and need 10 an over or more then Trott's probably not going to bring them home. Look at someone like Jayawardene, who has a similar career SR, and that's not the case. I can live with that. Second, Trott almost always starts very slowly and so, if he doesn't score runs, he's eaten up a lot of deliveries for nothing. If he regularly played more like he did here then I'd have no issue.

  • JG2704 on June 20, 2013, 8:30 GMT

    Re saying SA choked - I always had choking to mean , being in a winning position and then losing because of nerves or whatever. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. In this game SA were behind from the moment they started their inns and if anything Miller and Kleinveldt made some sort of total which while unlikely to win a game was unlikely to be that big when the latter came in to bat.

    Also I have to give full credit to AB who gave no excuses (players missing/losing the toss etc) even though they were offered to him and just admitted they didn't bat well enough. Some fans on these boards will do well to learn that class is shown by things you say as well as things you do

  • on June 20, 2013, 8:04 GMT

    Fantastic Great Job Well Done. Wish you good luck.

  • JG2704 on June 20, 2013, 7:55 GMT

    @ CricketingStargazer on (June 20, 2013, 6:52 GMT) Obviously I'm in full agreement with your common sense responses here and you and YP are spot on. One of the folk you responded to said in the past he doesn't care about tests or any other format but T20 and IPL at that and yet he is very prolific on our boards (esp when we're losing) on test threads

  • postandrail on June 20, 2013, 7:47 GMT

    Excellent result. Now we just need the trophy to sit alongside our World Cups!

  • Harmony111 on June 20, 2013, 7:46 GMT

    @CricketingStargazer: And what exactly is wrong if Cpt.Meanster says that Eng should not play ODIs if they do not like them? The real reason is that Eng have traditionally been a poor ODI team and so the fans try to cover it up by saying they were never interested in it anyways. Sour grapes may be?

    Time and again, esp after Ind's 2011 Eng tour, India have been accused of not giving imp to tests and being sold on T20s. It was said that tests are alive due to Eng & Aus. How arrogant is that? India have played almost as many tests as Eng & Aus in the last3-4-5 years still this canard was spread.

    And pls read my comment properly before you reply. I did not say ours were a subset of yours. I said the opposite, your interests are a subset of ours. You like Tests a lot & ODIs/T20s a bit while we like Tests a lot, ODIs a lot & T20s a lot. In anyone of these sets, we got more fans than you got in your Tests+ODIs+T20s set. Thus, your Tests>ODIs/T20s point loses numerically & logically.

  • ste13 on June 20, 2013, 7:34 GMT

    Hope that Trott critics will be silenced for some time at least. He is not as spectacular, but scoring run a ball at this level cannot be attributed purely to luck. Interesting to see the two remaining games. it's a pity that 50-over format is put under doubts. It require more skills than 20/20 and provides better distinction who is good who is not. 20/20 is a lottery cricket, but I am afrait it will prevail in the future

  • JG2704 on June 20, 2013, 7:34 GMT

    Please publish this time. This is a balanced respectful message to a genuine fan - I presume that's still allowed on cricinfo

    @Greatest_Game on (June 19, 2013, 17:39 GMT) Thanks for the respectful good wishes and I've enjoyed your balanced views throughout the tournament. Eng had the advantage of winning the toss but Amla was maybe a little unfortunate as he tried to pull out but was a little slow and AB will be livid with himself for getting out to such a shocking delivery. You may remember the other day I said I would twin Phangiso with Peterson.When Steyn was out that was a good sign for us and I was quietly confident when Phangiso wasn't included too. I genuinely think our batsmen would have struggled vs him. Re Amla - spot on obviously. He set the tone for SA taking over the number 1 spot last summer. I think the guy's a wee bit grumpy because Eng qualified and wanted someone to blame

  • on June 20, 2013, 7:22 GMT

    watever u do...this english side is no match to the indian side in odi format.... you will max score 300 with trott cook bell...when u bat first and indian team will chase that in 40 over's ....and if u bat second...you ll have to chase more than 350...given that u dont even play a specialist 5th bowler..dhoni and co will murder your root(stem) bopara....watever bowler u get...so this would be no contest in the finals.....

    b4 everything i just dont want 1996 semi final's to repeat :P :P

  • on June 20, 2013, 6:51 GMT

    This English Cricket team has got class. They embody all that is goods about cricketing traditions.Very professional and they know how to adapt to different conditions and different formats of the game. In the match against South Africa, even after losing two early wickets, they did not panic. Played typical Test match cricket and won.

  • Harmony111 on June 20, 2013, 6:42 GMT

    @Shan156: If India are playing Ishant then to make it fair England must play Dernbach. JD on his bad days goes for 80 in 10 while Ishant in his good days goes for 65 in 10. Moreover, JD's bad days are much less frequent than Ishant's good days.

  • phermon on June 20, 2013, 6:37 GMT

    Jonathan Trott has been magnifique. Shared MOM should be brought in to give Trott, Tredwell, Anderson and Buttler a joint award with Broad closing in. The MOM is a bit silly in most circunstances. And David Miller should not be left out either.

  • Pyketts on June 20, 2013, 6:32 GMT

    Well done England, I've been critical of the team in past, particulary of Cook's inclusion in the side. Disapointing from Cook and Bell again but a great bowling display and fabulous batting by Trott (how can anyone call for him to be dropped?) with support from Root meant the result was never in doubt.

    SA, chokers or choked by England? I think it's a bit of both.

    I still think that Cook is the odd man out when KP is back but at the moment the team appears to have hit form at the right time.

    To anyone commenting about Tendulkar on here it's all rather boring. Yes you love him but he doesn't have to be discussed on every single wall!

  • Harmony111 on June 20, 2013, 6:15 GMT

    @CricketingStargazer & YorkshirePudding: Tell me why do you think that what you folks like or dislike is the right one? You think in one way and the others think in some other way. Why ridicule the other side? This is one of the many reasons why so much problems exists in cricket too. DRS is another example. On one hand BCCI is said to be a bull but on the other hand ECB & Co gang up together to force DRS on India and when BCCI raises some valid objections then instead of answering them you accuse BCCI of being anti-technology and blah blah. Doesn't BCCI have a democratic right to have its own opinion?

    Millions of Eng/Aus fans may like Tests. That is fine but many many more millions of Ind fans like Tests as well as ODIs as well as T20s. Forget 2011 Eng-Ind ODI Series, thousands here will quote you scores of matches India played in 90s. I myself can do that - ODIs + Tests both.

    Its a case of likes & dislikes. You got yours and we got ours + yours are a subset of ours.

  • SirViv1973 on June 20, 2013, 6:10 GMT

    @Rick T, If your a NZL fan then I can understand why you are still aggrieved about the no ball incident. However most pundits seem to agree that the right decision was made & NZL still had a fair bit to do to win the game from that position anyway. I do agree with you though regarding the strength of the groups, I really cannot see how anyone can think Group B was so superior to A.

  • Elijah_9 on June 20, 2013, 6:08 GMT

    South Africa could of dome better, West Indies would of played a better game. Hope I'm not bein bias. Kudos tomengland though they were the better side hope they could keep up with whoever wins today. Cook is turning out to be a great captain.

  • Harmony111 on June 20, 2013, 5:42 GMT

    @riz309: Your comment only exposes your own ignorance and inability to understand the context. I was talking about WC03 where Sachin destroyed the so called best pace attack of Shoaib, Waqar & Wasim. Such was Sachin's might that day Waqar & Wasim never played after that. As for the 85 he scored against Pka in WC 2011, so what if catches were dropped? Did Sachin ask Pak fielders to drop him? It was Pak's fault that they were butter fingered. Your jealousy against Sachin is so much that you have to blame Sachin for just about anything.

    @Greatest_Game: This is yet another case of baseless Sachin bashing that I told you about and you saw only a small sample of it when Amla's was criticized here by GRVJPR. Yes it is unfair to blame Sachin or Amla blindly for team failure but the point was that I hope now a few people better understand how much it hurts when a champion batsman like Sachin or Amla are needlessly criticized.

  • CricketingStargazer on June 20, 2013, 5:29 GMT

    @Meanster Everyone wants to win. Some people maintain a sense of proportion and just don't live and die by it. Ultimately no one will remember in two years time who won this tournament - can you name the past winers? It's nice to win, but there are priorities in life. The World Cup is something else.Ask any Indian fan whether they most wanted to win the Test series against England last season, or the ODI series? Do you remember the result in the ODI series?

    So, I will be very pleased if England win on Sunday and obtain a global title, but it's a nice to have, not the be all and end all. And it is not a patch on winning the World Cup, is it?

  • jmcilhinney on June 20, 2013, 5:26 GMT

    @Shez Wood on (June 19, 2013, 17:47 GMT), SL came within one wicket of defending 138 so nothing's impossible but, even with their first choice attack, I doubt that SA have bowled the opposition out for less than 175 very often so a victory was never likely.

  • YorkshirePudding on June 20, 2013, 5:16 GMT

    @Ashim Sinha, Why should SA have been in the final, they only won 1 game in the 4 they played granted 1 was a wash out) and why is it so difficult for you to give England credit for a win

    @Cpt.Meanster, to be honest England fans on the whole prefer he longer format, and its not the fans who decide whether they take part in ICC tournaments, its the ECB. Also dont think that fans ambivalence towards ODI tournaments is anything other than that, at the end as a Fan we really dont care about the out come of these tournaments, if we win we win, if we lose we lose.

    No matter your protestations Test cricket is the pinnacle of this wonderful game, you can be on the back foot after one day and turn it round the next, unlike limited overs where if you have a bad 10-15 overs thats it, and thats exactly what happened yesterday, SA had a bad 15 overs after which the result wasnt in doubt if england kept thier heads.

  • sailorsupreme on June 20, 2013, 4:17 GMT

    South Africa played below par in their games with all opposition. England bowled superbly. James Anderson swung the ball disconcertingly and his victims were all set up and consumed with ease. I don't think this defeat will qualify as a 'choke'. They were never in the game. The batters did not know how to play swing bowling and the hostile short stuff hurled at them by express quick Finn and Broad. The batsmen are over rated. I mean there are very few, if any, who can negotiate hostile short pitched stuff in tandem with reverse swing bowling. I am surprised why India continues to ignore Pujara in ODI. His strike rate is more than that of Trott and Cook. The good batters are Mahela, Sanga, Dhawan, Kohli in the top order. In the lower order there are stalwarts like Dhoni and Root who are good in extricating their team from difficult positions. De Villiers may be hugely talented but there is a question mark over his temperament just like Rohit Sharma. IMHO SA did not deserve a win.

  • on June 20, 2013, 3:40 GMT

    South African Cricket team always reminds me of Arsenal FC.

    1. They always lose big matches. 2. They choke under pressure 3. Their main players are always injured or non performers in big games. 4. Their breed players for other countries

    Being an Arsenal fan, I can understand how frustrating it can be when the entire world goes ga ga over how your team plays the best game, the players are excellent, give chance to youths etc etc.. but still not win tournaments.....

  • on June 20, 2013, 3:25 GMT

    An Absolute shame..Poor Poor performance by the Proteas. I am a huge Fan of South Africa and always raised my voice when people tagged them as chokers but I think now I need to rebuild my thought on this. What a Professional Job done by the English team. Well done boys. You deserve your place. We all always talk about ABD, Shikhar Dhawan, JP Duminy, Malinga but has anyone noticed Jonnathan Trott. He scored only once below 30 runs in one day internationals for last 13 months. Avg is almost 54 in ODI's and a decent strike rate. What a player he is. I would say it was all team effort from England. We saw 2-3 Unsung Heros. Buttler with 6 Catches behind the wicket & ofcourse James Tredwell with 3 Important wickets. Tredwell is the unluckiest player of the Generation as Greame Swan comes in and he also performed well but Jamey whenever you got a chance you proved yourself. Amazing Stuff. Good Luck England. Hope they would not repeat the story of 2004 against the Windies

  • on June 20, 2013, 2:26 GMT

    @greatest game, I haven't seen much of JP duminy and infact the last time I saw him was in Australia in 2008-09. That time he was one of the few south africans prepared to leave his crease against spin, something that even AUS commentators also acknowledged - from what u said don't know what happened now.

  • bluethroat on June 20, 2013, 2:00 GMT

    Really. Media should try different tactics to attract attention rather than the most cheapest and easiest way. Any other day, any other team, it is just lost. When it comes to SA it is chockers.

  • riz309 on June 20, 2013, 1:49 GMT

    @Harmony111 yeah i still remember the great sachin scored 80 some runs against Pakistan in WC semi's with 4 dropped catches it's true that was an all time great knock

  • on June 20, 2013, 1:07 GMT

    south africa choked AGAIN ,no way this batting lineup is that weak unless they gave thier wickets away playing softly to the field ...if england are so confident in their cricket ..why didnt they batl first ...winning a tournament that has no realistic comparision with the world cup is overrated at best ..thank god it's the last one .australia's team now is nothing ,but in the days of waugh and ponting ..australia would have been bold enough to take first strike and post a total of 280 - 300 and then bowl the opposition out ...but those days are gone ,and now england are trying to inflate thier own image even further ...shame.

  • Sadiq1952 on June 20, 2013, 1:06 GMT

    Hearty congratulations Engand. Very well played. If you keep this form you will be a tough competition in the finals. The depleted SA bowling without Steyn and Mornie was predictable. But the batting crash was entirely unexpected. All credit to English bowling but even so this was very disappointing. We were expecting a thrilling match but were dismayed by a one-sided show. Hope the India-SL clash is a bit mire entertaining.

  • Rick_T on June 20, 2013, 0:19 GMT

    England's thrashing (7 wickets and 75 balls) of South Africa puts paid to any notion that Group B was stronger than Group A as a few correspondents to these forums have mentioned. They must have been PAK fans disappointed that their team registered 3 losses from as many games. Or maybe WI fans who unluckily missed out on the semis due to NRR.

    Clearly, IND was the best performing of all teams in the Group stage, PAK worst (0 from 3) and AUS 7th (0 from 2 games). SAF & WI only registered wins over the hapless Pakistan. Whereas ENG (who thrashed SAF) were lucky to make the semis at all thanks to a contentious over-stepping decision against NZ. Had the decision gone the other way, almost certainly NZ would have qualified in place of ENG.

    If I was ranking these horses for their next race based on the form of their last start, I would go (1) IND, (2) SRI, (3=) ENG & NZ, (5=) SAF & WI, (7) AUS & (8) PAK.

  • 2.14istherunrate on June 19, 2013, 23:31 GMT

    Looking back that was England at their most irresistible. We just strongarmed SA out of the tournament, dumped them into into a deep hole. They did not choke;they were just garrotted from the start. And what a keeper Buttler is developing into. I'm sold! Just hope we do this again on Sunday. I don't care to whom...Brilliant.

  • heathrf1974 on June 19, 2013, 23:27 GMT

    Great cricket by England and Anderson was superb and well supported by the others. I don't know what South Africa were doing, however, there are some inexperienced players in the side.

  • Chris_P on June 19, 2013, 23:12 GMT

    @CricketingStargazer Pretty good responses overall. I really find it difficult to understand why people have a hard time acknowledging good performances. Well done to your guys, the Poms are playing a brand of cricket that is difficult to wear long periods of losses. The nature of the game will dictate that losses will be inevitable, but they are ahead of the game. Perhaps you will have needed ot have played competitive cricket (or any sport) to actually sit back & appreciate the efforts put in by teams. As an Aussie, I got no problem with saying "good stuff" to your team. We will need bucketloads (& maybe more) of luck to upset your guys in the Ashes, although down here I am more hopeful of a contest.

  • on June 19, 2013, 22:32 GMT

    SA were outplayed by England and no matter what anybody says on this forum can change that. we have seen it all year, SA don't have the odi game

  • mar2000 on June 19, 2013, 22:26 GMT

    No problem for England . It was like "easy like Sunday morning" . No such walk next match which will be the finals ......... Expect a THRASHING .

  • Longhairrocks on June 19, 2013, 22:13 GMT

    As ever the general consensus after an England win is that the opposition were poor or somehow England had an unfair advantage, people cannot bring themselves to admit that sometimes England outplay other sides.

    As for the final, not bothered to be honest, as what counts this summer is The Ashes...

  • on June 19, 2013, 21:34 GMT

    I was there and boy it was a painfully boring game. I fell asleep for half an hour or so after they went 8 down. It wasn't that England quicks were unplayable or that Anderson was devastating even though ball swung for first half an hour but it was a relatively flat pitch, its more that South African top order were pathetic. Didn't make any sense sending Peterson at no.3, De Villiers should have taken control and try to construct things with Amla after they went 1 down. All in all, it was a very disappointing South African performance and it was evident in their fielding. I understand 175 isn't something you want to defend but it looked like rather than trying to make things happen, they were waiting for things to happen for them!

  • Stark62 on June 19, 2013, 21:33 GMT

    Another choke!!

    On another day (except a cup knock stage), one of Hasim or ABD would have got a hundred or both making 50's but unfortunately for both, this was a elimination game and it was a pressure game.

  • Cpt.Meanster on June 19, 2013, 21:21 GMT

    @CricketingStargazer: Totally disagree with you. If English supporters think test cricket is their ultimate preference then they should stick to that format only. Why even feature in ICC tournaments and disrespect the feelings and emotions of fans from other nations who think the World Cup or ICC events are the pinnacle of cricketing glory ? Think about it. Far too many times have I heard English fans say that they don't care what happens in the outcome of a certain ODI tournament. If you don't care, please don't play. This is why many fans from other countries love to see England lose.

  • recycle-bin-is-empty on June 19, 2013, 21:20 GMT

    Man, the debate about Trott that whether he is good enough for odi s or not reminds me a lot about how fans questioned one of the greatest batting Indian legend Rahul Dravid. He also was a failure in the beginning and was too slow for odis, and for that never gained the acceptance of many fans as a proper odi batsman. Even though the man won India countless odi matches and also scored at a decent pace, but whenever he or entire team scored slow because of match situations or pressure or because the opposition bowled superbly, he was often the one who almost always got crucified and was blamed for the slow run rate. Lets hope Trott doesn't face the same fate.

  • Happy_hamster on June 19, 2013, 21:18 GMT

    alarky on (June 19, 2013, 19:12 GMT) From your tone and obvious anti-English sentiment (read inferiority complex) I would predict you are from India. You are using the term "never been a force in world cricket" to winning ODI events I presume because that reflects your team in a better light than if we were talking about test matches. For the record, test win ratios (win/losses) in tests- 1. Australia. 2. England.3. Pakistan.........7. India, (that's 7 out of 8 established test playing nations, slightly better than NZ -pop 4.3million) http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=win_loss_ratio;template=results;type=team.

  • on June 19, 2013, 21:15 GMT

    I had no idea who is going to play against India in the final..... here we go Its England :)

  • gibbs.175 on June 19, 2013, 21:15 GMT

    Hi Sa fans .....Sa player can not handle the pressure....AB should step down or take some free decisions.....i dnt think we need to call smith or Kallis for Sri Lanka series call D.Kock ,Elgar (he is good spinner too)Farhaan is good Finisher......i am surprised to hear that Dale could not pass fitness test ( something wrong behind the scene.......SOUTH AF> HAS GREAT TALENT BUT NO BODY BRINGING THEM UP THE FRONT>.......hope so in future,,,,,,,good luck

  • martinohero on June 19, 2013, 20:54 GMT

    SA did have lots of key players out, but they didn't help themselves with some poor team selections in this tournament and I thought they were lucky to get this far. Leaving Philander at home was a huge mistake as he could have been a match winner on a day like today!

    England winning wasn't the only thing to put a smile on my face today...

    Kevin Pietersens tweet during the SA innings: @KP24 - I'm finding it hard to breathe at the moment.. I got some bad kinda cough going on......

  • yorkshirematt on June 19, 2013, 20:52 GMT

    @alarky In European football, teams used to compete for the inter cities fairs cup and the cup winners cup which are both now defunct. I certainly can't remember who won the last one of either and i imagine the same will happen with the champions trophy, not that i want this to be the last one. I think it would be a greater travesty if a wash out meant it had to be shared for eternity and i think a reserve day or another method of separating the teams should be introduced, like boundaries scored or wickets taken or lost

  • Shan156 on June 19, 2013, 20:42 GMT

    @Harmony111, I know you rate JD highly. But, I can also sense that you want him to play against India:-) Sorry mate, but that is not going to happen. India, provided they beat SL tomorrow, will start as favorites but Eng. is not going to make it easy for them by including JD in the XI:-)

  • JG2704 on June 19, 2013, 20:41 GMT

    Is it my imagination or is Trott showing a little more urgency both with the bat and in the field. Sharp piece of work for the run out - not something you'd associate with such a laid back guy

  • JG2704 on June 19, 2013, 20:37 GMT

    @WTEH on (June 19, 2013, 11:13 GMT) You're totally spot on ther. WI proved they were easily the 2nd best team in the group in all 3 group matches.

  • Sunshine_Pom on June 19, 2013, 20:32 GMT

    Not bad for a team that is considered to be no better than "average" in the ODI format of the game. James Anderson truly is as good as anyone in the world (and I'm including Dale Steyn in this) when he is swinging the ball. Absolutely world class.

  • Shan156 on June 19, 2013, 20:28 GMT

    @Greatest_Game, at least SA have won one global 50 over tournament. We have won none and we have been playing ODI cricket longer than SA. So, I am glad that you do not begrudge our win today and our boys getting another opportunity to win a major title:-) Thank you for your wishes and I hope we prevail. It has been an agonizingly long wait. Can hardly wait for the finals.

  • CricketingStargazer on June 19, 2013, 20:03 GMT

    @alarky You mean like all Americans boast that they are the reigning Olympic rugby champions and are unbeaten in Olympic rugby since the 1920s? Or, could it be that 90% of English cricket fans will enjoy it - if it happens - and have forgotten the competition by next year? For the immense majority of England fans success in Tests is more important and they would rather win their next two Test series than win the Champions Trophy and lose either.

    Have Australia dominated world cricket for decades? Being generous, it was from about 1990-2007, which is less than 2 decades. The West Indies dominated from about 1976 to 1990, also less than 2 decades. Maybe anything before the 1970s is irrelevant, but there have been long periods when England have dominated, albeit with a smaller field than now.

  • Harmony111 on June 19, 2013, 20:00 GMT

    @Greatest_Game: There is a background to what GRVJPR said. Before I talk more about that background, I want to tell you that I've noticed that time and again you tend to misunderstand/ignore the context and present facts and stats that are irrelevant. I think it is clear to anyone here that the context is ODIs & esp the BIG ones. So mentioning Amla's test performances is either a desperate attempt or a kiddish one.

    Ok, so now about the background. If we were to replace Amla with Sachin & reverse the direction of the comment then it will tell you just how much some people have fairly or unfairly criticized & attacked Sachin in similar situations. Just one example here. In WC2003, Sachin batted with a fractured finger, scored 673 runs which is a WC record & took his team to the Finals. Vs Pak, he played an all time great knock but vs Aus in Finals, his bowlers gave away 359 runs & he was the one who got the blame for FAILING IN THE FINALS.

    Were Amla/AB facing any 359 chase today?

  • Harlequin. on June 19, 2013, 20:00 GMT

    @Aby Prasad - that has become traditional now I'm afraid! If SA lose, they are chokers. If England lose, its cos they're complacent/arrogant. If Australia lose, it's cos they can't replace the greats. If NZ lose, it's cos they're unlucky. And if India lose, it's a conspiracy against the BCCI ;)

  • Greatest_Game on June 19, 2013, 19:50 GMT

    20 years as a Proteas fan, & it is getting harder! Let's be honest about our batting today: Ingram: clueless vs swing. Man dismisses boy. Fail. Amla: no intensity, lazy/sloppy stroke/leave. Big Fail. Peterson: played well - beaten by a great bowler. Pass + AB de Villiers: ICC's ODI No. 1 needed a big Captain's inngs. Delivered irresponsible, stupid duck. MEGA fail. Duminy in, Treadwell on, Duminy out. As always, on the back foot, beaten. Still can't play spin. Fail ++ Faf du Plessis: negotiated conditions, defended the good, attacked the bad, inane departure. Anchor that floated away. Fail. McLaren: Good intent, failed badly. Silly Morris: new, tentative. Fail. Kleinveldt: Determined, aggressive, responsible. Rescued SA from total humiliation. Scored 43 - 42 more than AB & Hash. Pass, with honours. Tsotsobe: as expected. Miller: balanced, belligerent, brilliant. He has proved he has it. Respect earned.

    Not even a choke, just impotent, leaderless surrender. No surprise Kallis withdrew

  • on June 19, 2013, 19:48 GMT

    @HARMONY111 Mate,Morkel is not "slightly" better than average in ODIs. He is actually been SA best ODI bowler for some time now ( average of 23 and strike rate of 28 vs Dales average of 29 and S rate of 35) Also while steyn is the best test bowler in our generation and a excellent t20 bowler, his performance in ODI has mostly been disappointing. So stop blaming steyn's absence for the defeat. Blame inconsistent shot selection and a poorly thought-out batting order. I would be willing to bet good money England would've struggled to chase even 240 against this bowling lineup..

  • on June 19, 2013, 19:42 GMT

    Anyway SA had to lose. That's what happens to them in any major tournament - "they lose in the semis".

  • CricketingStargazer on June 19, 2013, 19:38 GMT

    @Tlotoxl It still doesn't explain how James Tredwell, who is a good, honest English county pro (who, I believe, is still awaiting his first First Class wicket of the season), was able to take three cheap international wickets and make the South African middle order look like a bunch of incompetants. It's one thing to struggle with swing in poor conditions, but Tredwell, who is no Muralitharan, was played as if he was bowling hand grenades when the pitch was generally reckoned to be a good one.

  • Greatest_Game on June 19, 2013, 19:34 GMT

    @ GRVJPR posted this comment: "So if hashim amala is a real great why he fails in big matches? (His name is Hashim Amla)

    In 2010, in India, in 3 test innings Amla averaged 490. Yes, correct, 490! 253 not out, 114 and 123 not out. You say he fails in BIG MATCHES. He did NOT fail then. Therefore, you are saying that playing against India is NO BIG MATCH!

    Amla has the HIGHEST ODI BATTING AVERAGE (10+ inns) from a test playing country. (Only Ten Doeschate's is higher, playing mostly associate countries). For ODI players averaging over 40, he has the 2nd highest strike rate. AB de Villiers has the highest.

    In ODIs, Amla was fastest to 2000 runs. His 40 inngs, beat Abbas' 45. He was fastest to 3000 runs, his 57 inns, beat Viv Richards' 69. Kholi took 75 inngs, Dhoni 90

    Amla is also universally respected as a humble, ethical, and honest man. It surprises me that you have attacked him in so many posts. Why do you seek to belittle Amla? What has he done to you to deserve such disrespect?

  • Whatsgoinoffoutthere on June 19, 2013, 19:31 GMT

    Blimey. Can I just say... Whatsgoinoffoutthere??!!

    I turned on the radio in the 5 minutes I got and heard no cricket. I thought the match had finished and, as England were playing, feared the worst.

  • Fluffykins on June 19, 2013, 19:26 GMT

    Love Trott always have and will always be in my first 11 the problem I have is that he does accelerate rather slowly which can put pressure on the lower order. That's fine if like today the total is low but if you are chasing a large total you have to start with some intent I watch Trott bimbling about when he should be running hard from the off....

  • alarky on June 19, 2013, 19:12 GMT

    Congrats to England! But, I would be concerned if England were to win the last Trophy? They are going to put it into their archives forever! Then cricket history becomes sort of distorted! As, our descendants in later years are going to think that England was such a REALLY DOMINANT FORCE in cricket's history, that they won the last of one of the major trophies that was competed for internationally! We all know that England was never a power house in international cricket! Hence, it's one of the reasons that I think the Champions Trophy should never be scrapped. It provides the highest quality of cricket in limited overs tournaments; and if England were to win the last trophy and not allowed to defend it, it would be a case of sporting injustice for countries such as Australia and West Indies that dominated world cricket for decades! So, let the Champions Trophy continue to complement the Cricket World Cup in similar fashion to the Confederations Cup and World Cup in football.

  • CricketingStargazer on June 19, 2013, 19:00 GMT

    @Huzaifah Sajjad So, if India win big tomorrow it is a guarantee that they will bomb in the final? Odd reasoning! :-D

  • on June 19, 2013, 19:00 GMT

    AB Devilliers' let England off the hook after Kleinveldt removed Ian Bell and was bowling really well and troubling England batsmen, after he had bowled only 3 overs for 9 runs and taken a wicket. He could have continued but brought on Tsotsobe in his place and who was soundly dispatched for 2 fours in his first over and the pressure was off the England batsmen, may be it would not have mattered much in the long run but then that was a mistake he committed.

  • Tlotoxl on June 19, 2013, 18:51 GMT

    @Arron Dore: Gary Kirsten said they choked.

    Personally I think that the combination of Steyn being out, losing the toss and fear of facing Anderson in swinging conditions made them nervous and the was intensified by the 2 quick wickets including their linchpin Amla sent them into a spiral of panic.

  • on June 19, 2013, 18:35 GMT

    the team that shows such a performance in semis often loses it in final....... if disagree check ut da past

  • on June 19, 2013, 18:31 GMT

    S.A was lucky to even reach this far in the tournaments thanks to D/W AND THE WEATHER...

  • Harmony111 on June 19, 2013, 18:31 GMT

    Pls don't get me wrong but I think someone must ring alarm bells for SA. This loss isn't the reason. In this whole CT 13, SA actually win just one game, that was against Pak who were struggling a lot. Moreover, one could hardly see any depth in their team. After Kallis who? After Steyn who? Morkel is frankly only slightly better than average in ODIs and others are yet to grow up or have grown all they could. SA's batting used to be rock solid but now it has plenty of holes. Barring Amla & ABD, no one quite looks settled. SA have no good spinner save Peterson (Tahir is avg). SA need some batsmen (urgently) and SA also need a few fast/medium bowlers. Plus, SA also need a good keeper as AB can't keep for ever. You don't want another Clarke as AB too has a weak back.

    I am not saying this just cos India are doing well or cos India's new ones have done reasonably well. Objectively, I can see some problems for SA, just like Aus & Pak are facing.

    At least Eng got Jos, Root, Finn (& JD :-p).

  • YorkshirePudding on June 19, 2013, 18:30 GMT

    I see there are still some posters who cant give credit to england despite a good win. In the end 175 was too low a target to bowl at, especially once the atmospherics passed.

    With Steyn and Morkel in the bowling attack it may have been a different story.

  • alipk52 on June 19, 2013, 18:30 GMT

    @Herbet: may, ifs and buts are really not gonna help South Africa, well SA choked again asusual, such a great team SA is, i don't know what is wrong with them, they're dominant Team in the world, but this is clearly SA didn't deserved, it shows us one thing, if SA don't have anymore destructive bowlers after Steyn? they can only win against struggling batting line-up like Pakistan without steyn, but sorry to say, it's not the proof of the traditional superior fast bowling line-up SA has, Pakistan's batting line-up will bring great changes now, because the more they fail, more they'll learn, but bowling is strength of both Pakistan and SA, Pakistan's bowlers delivered in this tournament, but not SA's, they'd been hammered by India, West Indies, now England, 175 should have been defendable if we take the comments and praise of their fans about SA bowling, plenty to think about for SA.

  • on June 19, 2013, 18:27 GMT

    Great to see Trott answer his critics in style, there's nothing wrong with his approach at all,

  • Captainman on June 19, 2013, 18:23 GMT

    Another very one-sided match in a tournament which was supposed to bring the best of competition.

  • yorkshirematt on June 19, 2013, 18:21 GMT

    Eng were always likely to reach the final at home but they'll need a very special performance and a bit of luck to beat form team and one day kings India. They have fresh faces who weren't here for the 2011 debacle and they've just played excellent cricket. Can England find a way to stop them? I expect jadeja to be a handful when England come to bat as well. A very underrated and canny bowler in the one day game

  • on June 19, 2013, 18:21 GMT

    Well done England. With the way Anderson,Broad & Tredwell is going, Srilanka and India.. I mean one of them beware! I heard the commentators and some fans and fan comments (live comments i mean) say the choking word again. I mean, isn't it really wrong to say that again n again? You are insulting not just their team/fans, ur insulting the country itself. Its just not right. Yes they haven't won, but its a matter of perception. Aren't they qualifying for the latter stages every other time in major tournaments! and isn't that worth respecting? Nop but we have to use that word!Its sick.Why cant we even use 'unfortunate' or 'unlucky'. Meanwhile get set for a long rainy day tomorrow!And btw,I keep saying this, lame fans always use unwanted and dirty words against other teams. Dont fall for it and 'reply'/react/form your opinion of that country based on such lame/jealous/proud comments please.Wish espn wud filter more!

  • BoycottsGranny on June 19, 2013, 18:19 GMT

    @whatawicket: I agree, but I get the feeling that the Trott-doubters are now baiting the rest of us for a bit of sport! As subhass says, he has an average over 50 and he is able to progress his strike-rate to close to 100 by the end of the innings, which, in this case, happened to be in the 38th over!

  • Karthik78 on June 19, 2013, 18:16 GMT

    More people and analyst said group B is toughest and Pakistan is favorite. But both are proved wrong ASAP. But it makes really interesting. Also it is good to see England who is good side in Test is proving again it is good in ODI too. This means if you are good at Test you will be good in ODI also.

  • Captain_Tuk_Tuk on June 19, 2013, 18:13 GMT

    Well done England, I am sure they can win ICC Champions Trophy this time. I think they'll play against Srilanka but lets wait and see as India looks better side than SL this time on paper at-least India looks much much stronger side.

  • on June 19, 2013, 18:05 GMT

    A solid, professional performance by England today and they were deserved winners, but to re-open the 'chokers' label on SA is extremely unfair, as they are a world class team who simply had a 'bad day at the office'...that can happen to anyone, and today England took full advantage of this.......from an Englishman who is also a keen admirer of SA

  • CricketingStargazer on June 19, 2013, 18:03 GMT

    One of the weaknesses of such a condensed format is that South Africa can go home reasonably pleased with a semi-final appearance while winning just one game in the entire tournament. England have been mocked, but have had three comfortable wins and just once has their strategy failed, possibly due to a tendency to relax a little when on top and let a side back in with a chance. Against Sri Lanka it looked like there was a feeling in the side that the match was well under control, the intensity dropped and that was all the invitation that the Sri Lankan batsmen needed to turn the tables.

    Whoever reaches the Final on Sunday from tomorrow's match will start as a hot favourite, but it is noticeable how much better England have played as the underdog, having made a mess of the series against New Zealand and got rid of the tag of favourites. Either side would be a very tough opponent but one gets the feeling that India are by some distance the team of the tournament so far.

  • on June 19, 2013, 18:01 GMT

    As a once confirmed Trott detractor, I now concede he is a major asset to the team. However I think, like me, he has changed a bit too. Just on a run a ball when it wasn't necessary!!! Encore!

  • Herbet on June 19, 2013, 17:53 GMT

    Two things will always hinder South Africa: 1) They can't play spin. 2) They can't bowl spin.

    Fair enough here they were without Smith, Morkel and Steyn, and with them they may have done better. But even Steyn and Morkel would have struggled to defend 175, and Smith is as vulnerable to early swing as any.

    Fantastic knock from Trott. The most pleasing aspect of this game was watching him play himself into top form just in time for the ashes.

  • on June 19, 2013, 17:52 GMT

    Its not england who won the match but its SA who has the knack of losing the knock out matches easily .. The same thing could happen to eng in the final and end up on the losing side .. Its cricket .. Fortunes changes with hours :-) @ gd lk

  • on June 19, 2013, 17:50 GMT

    @BravoBravo....Don't you have to beat Sri Lanka first ?

  • whatawicket on June 19, 2013, 17:44 GMT

    we dont know who will be the other finalist, but i would suggest the Edgbaston groundsman gets his watering can out for Sunday. as India are i would suggest the favorite to get to the final. as the Indian captain demanded dry spinning wickets for the test series in India then cookie should be doing the same with nice green grass which has not been Indians best colour

  • Shan156 on June 19, 2013, 17:43 GMT

    I had posted before that England's challenge as far as the semifinal tie against SA was concerned, regardless of whether Steyn played or not, was getting rid of Amla and ABDV quickly. And that is exactly what happened. The two gentlemen contributed a grand total of 1 and made Eng's job easier. SA's bowling in ODIs is no great shake. They are quiet ordinary and I would even say that not as good as England's attack. Test matches is a different story where the trio of Steyn, Philander, and Morkel are a class apart.

    Anyway, looking forward to the finals against India (yes India is going to thump SL tomorrow. Cannot wait to see Dhawan and Kohli tear Malinga and co. apart). Let's hope we have a great day in the finals and get our hands on our first ever 50 over global trophy.

  • cric_J on June 19, 2013, 17:41 GMT

    HUGE Congratulations to the England lads for making the finals. A pretty clinical performance in all 3 departments.

    I feel for SA though.They are too good a team to lose out repeatedly in crunch games and be tagged as chokers. But they have themselves to blame to a certain extent for today's disaster. Too many loose shots , too many tentative batsmen and a lot of unsurity among them.

    Jimmy was brilliant and downright unplayable in his initial spell. Tredwell was superb. Broady and Finny were average but can be pardoned today for getting AB and Amla respectively , the 2 pillars of the SA batting lineup.A classy and well paced innings by Trott , who was his usual "rock" self and Root just continues to impress.

    It was a performance that was close to perfect .But not perfect. A few areas to improve still. But I'll not mention them today. Let the lads savour this victory. Because contrary to the belief of a few here , they thoroughly deserve this win. And a place in the finals as well.

  • hhillbumper on June 19, 2013, 17:38 GMT

    say what you like about England.Cause they made it to the final. Now to actually win one of the damn things.

  • Jda123 on June 19, 2013, 17:24 GMT

    Surprised by England bowling... Amla, De Villiers going like that... Without Steyn in the bowling line up they were not going to win, I expected Steyn to be in this game.

    But SA were not going to win this tournament, big names were missing and with the injured Morkel and Steyn.

    I see England VS SL playing in the final.

  • Navin84 on June 19, 2013, 17:22 GMT

    The signs were there for SA not to progress to the Semi-finals but somehow they defeat RAIN, D/L, TIE and squeeze passed WI and still went ahead only to loose again. It's clear that SA can't make it pass Semi-finals, like our good friends from NZ!

  • on June 19, 2013, 17:20 GMT

    I was attempting to follow from Canada's west coast. The game started at 2:30 am, I was only awake long enough to see that Steyn was out, and at that moment my heart (and all SA cricketers too) dipped. I woke up again at 4:30 am, to check the 'progress'. We were already 5 down, and we were 6 down before I could cringe and turn away. Amla, Ingram, DeVilliers, Duminy. Shame on you. That is the only word that comes to mind. Shame.

  • stormy16 on June 19, 2013, 17:12 GMT

    Eng were brilliant when it mattered and the conditions were favorable and full credit to them. I dont get this Trott debate, few teams have the pleasure of a guy who averages 50 in one day cricket. SA have a similar debate with Kallis. This will only ever be an issue on 300+ wickets whcih there arent many. As for SA - I am afraid that was panic. AB's shot would have sent shock waves through all of SA - that was a panic stricken shot if there ever was one. Amla was another who seldom makes an error like he did today and they are the best batters in the side. I am afraid SA need to put some deamons to bed in crunch games. The talent is without doubt. How many teams can lose Steyn and Morkel and ignore Philander but bring in Morris who is a good bowler. They have it all - just need to get over the hump but its taking a while!

  • whatawicket on June 19, 2013, 17:07 GMT

    perhaps now the trott doubters will give it a rest, what more has he got to do.

  • Romenevans on June 19, 2013, 17:05 GMT

    Without Steyn SA looks horribly flat. Even Morne Morkal goes flat without Steyn. They depend a lot on him, which is not good because he will get injured time and again due to the amount of cricket he plays throughout the year.

    Besides Steyn, i don't see any other potent bowler coming in SA side, Abbott and De Lange are good, but not as good as steyn.

  • gtr800 on June 19, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    @BravoBravo That is a totally unbacked claim and tbh is not a reflection of the cricket we have seen from the 3 sides India/ SL/ Eng. If SL get through- they have the advantage of already winning against England last week. If India get through then they have a variety of factors in their favour: Englands bowling is generally quite innocuous apart from Anderson- most teams have accepted this. Edgbaston is going to be a 70-80% Indian crowd+ the quite dry surface favours a sub -continent team. Cook has nothing on handling pressure in comparison to Dhoni. (For the most recent proof of this- one only needs to look at SA vs Ind and SL vs Eng game). Even if James Anderson is their 'trump' card unless he takes 6 wickets- I personally believe India have enough depth in batting and England's bowlers otherwise are quite harmless to still get enough score for the spinners. But India are a great side under pressure - we've won 2 world cups - 1 CT , whereas England are yet to win an ICC ODI tourna.

  • Bogelking on June 19, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    There was no change to the script today as far as SA was concerned regarding the record it possess in the ICC tournaments. Despite being a team, having the caliber and enviable quality, they have faltered in the main tournaments- the only exception being the inagural champions knock- out trophy that they won in Bangladesh. The top order was totally bamboozled by some inexplicable stuff of swing bowling from Jimmy Anderson. But thanks to the Partnership between Miller and Kleindvelt which not only pulled the Proteas out of a pitiable condition, but also gave some respectability to their score. Anyhow all was well for the England team as Trott had enough time to play his natural anchoring mode of game to finish the match in his teams favor. Congratulations England, and hope that you carry this form into the final as well against the winner of the India-SL match....

  • dil1986 on June 19, 2013, 16:55 GMT

    as always SA destroyed all their fans expectations in a low contested manner. it was heart breaking stuff when i saw the top order batting collapse.we are good starters upfront but we never found our way to finish it off in a high. its true that Jimmy balled well, but the shot selections were very poor when we look at the way some got out. Also way they managed their bowlers was quite frustrating. Rory was the most economical bowler among all and he was used only for 4 overs. AB would have continued few more overs with Rory soonafter he got the breakthrough. and why on earth you want to bowl Tsotsobe when the batsman are really going after him.this was poor captaicy from AB. But credit should go to Miller and Rory who fought back with that unbelievable record partnership If not it would have been a disaster for SA cricket.

  • on June 19, 2013, 16:54 GMT

    the trend is reversing, India and England are dominating whereas Australia and South Africa are going for hiding

  • subhaas on June 19, 2013, 16:53 GMT

    that's why i said earlier don't compare TROTT with MAHELA ,mahela is just an average player while trott is great his avg above 50 while mahela 33 so much difference if mahela's avg above 40 then i may agree he is better then trott but here figure's clearly shows trott is next dravid .

  • on June 19, 2013, 16:52 GMT

    The trend is reversing, India and England are really dominating the tournament.

  • TSJ07 on June 19, 2013, 16:50 GMT

    This tournament not only showed that AUS cupboard is empty after the retirement of great players but even it seems that SA cupboard is empty too after some great players were not part of SA playing XI either injuries or some other reasons. Same way even SL can face similar problem after their trio of Dilshan, Sanga, Mehla retire after a year or so.Even worse is case for PAK. But things are looking good for ENG, IND, NZ and WI as they have quite a strong bench strength except may be NZ, for NZ its their young players who are playing good cricket. So may be next five years we may see IND ENG dominating the world cricket with WI and NZ giving good fight.

  • on June 19, 2013, 16:50 GMT

    You go to the movies and the hero of the story doesn't save the day, he doesn't score the winning goal or run or touchdown. That is South African Cricket all the way. They persist with players who are either out of form or just plain bad. Kirsten must be leaving because he probably sees no end to their choker tag. If Brazil were to start playing cricket tomorrow, they would win a trophy well before South Africa. The whole ODI set up is a joke. SA will never ever lose their choker tag. I am an angry fan, not once have we been rewarded for loyal support. These "players" get paid millions for non-performance, but then again that is the South African way. Great stuff Trott, we got the colour for our team but the skill went elsewhere.

  • on June 19, 2013, 16:49 GMT

    @ njr1330: what is the definition of a dasher? amla has 90+ strike rate,so its possible to maintain high average with high strike rate.

  • ravikini on June 19, 2013, 16:48 GMT

    The usual story unfolds again. Clinical performance by England, with the Proteas keeping their 'Chokers' tag intact. AB could not take the pressure of facing 8 balls to open account and on the 9 ball he perishes with a wild swing of the willow. That was very disappointing. Good bowling by England and a pathetic performance by the SA. The SA though looked very formidable on paper. From a fan's point of view,as an aftermath, I deduce WI in place of SA would have been a more entertaining one, regardless of the result and hoped to catch a Gangnam dance every now and then as the Carribeans never fail to entertain one and all. Tomorrow is a mouthwatering clash with the Asian neighbors playing each other. Though I am from India, I wish the better team to prevail. I am yearning to see a match which is closely contested and gives me edge of the seat finish.

  • Dark.Matter on June 19, 2013, 16:48 GMT

    Game plan C was active again from SA

  • khansaheb on June 19, 2013, 16:47 GMT

    they have proven that they are not big match players....can play well only in bilateral events.....

  • on June 19, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    As a S. African supporter it's sad to see them play bowlers likes Tsotsobe, Kleinveldt and relying heavily on a part-timer Duminy. Although the batsmen cost the game here, they are under pressure knowing the bowling attack is unpredictable, relying on Morris as a strike bowler even though he wasn't even in the squad originally. It's like they are always playing their second string attack and people are saying they're chokers, even if Morkel and Stein played, I don't think they'd have made it to the final, they can't hide Tsotsobe's poor performances forever. Where is Roelof van der Merwe? I could easily see him do well in England. It's surprising they even made it this far.

  • gtr800 on June 19, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    South Africa have failed to impress today. England bowled well today but not outstandingly - South Africa however choked terribly. This was definitely not the side that fought well in the SA - India game. Anderson was unplayable at times and his wickets were well deserved, but the others were not and SA are solely responsible for those. If they had got 250 -60 I think England would be heading out. But SA have still failed to brush the choker tag.

  • voma on June 19, 2013, 16:43 GMT

    I had a feeling England would hammer someone , didnt expect it to be the saffers though . Unbelievable performance by Jimmy Anderson today , and go Trotty go .

  • on June 19, 2013, 16:43 GMT

    Congrats england.... You deserve it...

  • voma on June 19, 2013, 16:42 GMT

    I had a feeling England would hammer someone , didnt expect it to be the saffers though . Unbelievable performance by Jimmy Anderson today , and go Trotty go .

  • gsingh7 on June 19, 2013, 16:41 GMT

    @ffl-- champions are india since we won wc2011. also in rankings india are clear number 1. plus 100@ record in this tournament.

  • 2.14istherunrate on June 19, 2013, 16:39 GMT

    That was a world class performance, reassuring and efficient. I think obviously that getting SA into that much of a mess early would have dented them badly and their bowling lackrd any real cohesion or penetration,whjatever they tried. Peterson and Morris bowled okay, but undert he circumstance with a few early scare, England warmed to their task very composedly, Trott and Root really dispelling any doubts,once only 99 were needed. Root after playing purposefully tried something playful and lost wicket, but he had once again proved his calibre,and Trott just ook away again,while Morgan had a few hits. They are running into form now and covering most bases. Like that we should be too much for anyone.

  • BravoBravo on June 19, 2013, 16:34 GMT

    ENG in Finals is good news for Britons, but it is not such a good news for other "final" contenders (SL and IND) . They (SL and IND) would have a better chance lifting the trophy if they would have been playing against SA in FINALS. Congrats ENG and Go for the Trophy with full throttle.

  • njr1330 on June 19, 2013, 16:31 GMT

    Re: criticism of Trott. The stats. show that he has the highest ODI average of those who played for England today (53). His average is also higher than the "dashers" De Villiers, Duminy and Du Plessis. And who has the highest South Africa ODI average? Is it one of said Dashers? No, it's Hashim Amla (55). Every team needs a solid foundation. As my old club captain used to say: 'you can attack from 30 for 1 scored slowly - you can't attack from 100 for 9 scored quickly!!

  • Stratega on June 19, 2013, 16:22 GMT

    All the Best for the England vs India on Sunday Guys!

  • santhoo24 on June 19, 2013, 16:21 GMT

    so much for everyone wanting SA to make it to semis. Them being who they are, SA choked once again at the grand stage when it mattered the most. Congrats to the Poms is in order. Good luck for the finals.

  • on June 19, 2013, 16:19 GMT

    There were just too many interruptions in the Protea's camp this tournament. No kallis and smith, then our two best bowlers got injured. The ODI team really needs to get more stability. Why did we not pick our inform country player Alviro Petersen? He would have been solid at the top. Ingram has been so on and off, I wonder how many more chances CSA will give him? I'm very disappointed, for my whole cricketing life the protea's have let me down in tournaments. Well done england, I hope you give india/sri lanka a good match.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on June 19, 2013, 16:12 GMT

    Absolute magic from Anderson, all who watched him bowl today were dazzled by his skills. It was always going to be tricky for the openers, but England's tough middle order came to the party and closed the deal that the bowlers started. So England go through to the final, It certainly hasn't been a good month for their critics to put it mildly, and England have shown in every facet of the game, with their fitness, skill and discipline, and even in the back-up spin of Tredwell that they are on top of the world. What a series they have had, they've played like world champions and deserve to lift the trophy on Sunday.

  • Harlequin. on June 19, 2013, 16:07 GMT

    Well I think for the first time this tournament we have seen England's masterplan in its entire glory: Jimmy being a new-ball terrorist, a spinner taking wickets in the middle order (although it was Tredwell not Swann) before the batsmen come in, see off the first 10-15 overs and then steadily accelerate from there. It does hinge a lot on the ball hooping about early on, which we haven't seen a lot of so far, but now that we have England's strategy finally looks solid. Well played England, unlucky to the Saffers who, to be fair, were missing to many big name players.

  • MartinC on June 19, 2013, 16:01 GMT

    Well there we go - England win by 7 wickets. Trott 82 not out with a strike rate of almost 100.....

    No pressure on the England batsmen though - this was a 290 par wicket and as well as Anderson bowled no way SA should have been 175 all out. Tredwell hardly turned a ball and Finn and Broad did not bowl well to be honest.

    Very good win for England though - looking forward to the final now.

  • gm47 on June 19, 2013, 15:37 GMT

    @Alan Sookram on (June 19, 2013, 13:58 GMT) England will lose

    er...hmmm........ yes of course they will..........not :) remind me never listen to your predictions :)

  • MartinC on June 19, 2013, 15:10 GMT

    Trott has just reached his 50 with a strike rate over 80 .....the pitch is helping the bowlers a bit but its far from being an 175 all out pitch.

  • MartinC on June 19, 2013, 14:43 GMT

    @Alan Sookram - is that hope or expectation :-) its 77-2 right now and we (England) need 99 from 30 overs with 8 wickets left and Trott and Root going well. I know which dressing room I would rather be in at this point ....

  • on June 19, 2013, 14:34 GMT

    Go for it, SA. knock that chokers tag off ur shoulder !

  • on June 19, 2013, 13:58 GMT

    England will lose

  • on June 19, 2013, 13:43 GMT

    seems like SA's main strike bowler is morris who never played internationals before CT.. klen and tsotsobe can't bowl outside SA as simple as that

  • PrasPunter on June 19, 2013, 13:38 GMT

    @Natesan333 , All i was trying to drive home is the fact that SA does pretty well when it comes to test cricket - they beat both Eng and Aus away in their recent outings and they should be happy about it. They didn't do well here - fine - because you can't do well all the time - but atleast they have done it right most of the time and no other team has matched their overseas record of being undefeated for the last 6 years or so. I am not a SA follower, but as an Aussie fan, I will be more than willing to take their position in test cricket, given where Aus cricket currently is.

  • spot_on on June 19, 2013, 13:34 GMT

    Windies deserved to play this match more than the Saffers who lag big match temperament ... Perennial Chokers

  • Cover_drive_55 on June 19, 2013, 13:30 GMT

    Cook, Trott and Bell will be the key. This target should suit there style of batting. From SA, they need to take the first 3, and then pressure will be back on England.

  • on June 19, 2013, 13:27 GMT

    THE "C" Tag!

  • on June 19, 2013, 13:18 GMT

    hardly a surprise when sa are callled chokers . time and again they failed with more hype than talent. they dont have talent to score 200 against same team who gave away 295 to sl in 48 overs.poor batting effort lets hope they bowl beautifully and win here.

  • SurlyCynic on June 19, 2013, 13:17 GMT

    Well played England. But can't believe some of the ways SA found to get out. Great bowling from Anderson, but AB caught off back of the bat, Amla caught leaving, McLaren bizarrely stumped/run out... etc. Good fightback from Miller and Kleinveldt, just wish Tsotsobe had fought a bit harder to stay in with Miller.

    I know everyone will rush to call them 'chokers', but this was just a dismal batting collapse, so not nearly as disappointing as real chokes like 1999 when they were on the verge of winning.

    Anyway, good luck in the final England.

  • warneshane on June 19, 2013, 13:16 GMT

    It is not just about the pressure or say choking. Its about dampness of pitch and early condition of the day. Teams that batted first had always struggled in this summer except INDIA. Out of 10 wickets failed, 6 wickets caught behind (WK), 2 LBW, 1 Bowled and 1 run out indicate true picture. Then Mlller & Kleinveldt batted to 175 means pitch gets easier with time. Still I am looking towards great contest by looking at ENG's previous batting performance in this tournament. My money on Kleinveldt and South Africa.

  • Wizbit on June 19, 2013, 13:15 GMT

    If one team can throw this away - It's England!

  • 2.14istherunrate on June 19, 2013, 13:14 GMT

    England were virtually home and dry with SA on 80-8. One always must expect resistance at some point but 95 for the 9th wicket was a trifle over the expectation. They played well, but the opinion was that if England had gone for the jugular completelyu they would have been chasing 75 less. Opinion must be divided here as to how to utilise the bvowlers and here Cook chose his 5th bowler over the others,a controversial choice in hindsight as so many overs were left of Tredwell and the main bowlers once Broad had bounced out Kleinveldt and Tsotsobe. Still I thought have both parts of the 5th bowler on at the same time was avoidable. Bopara here was slightly more reliable and using Root at all could have been avoidable. !75 should be easily attainable nonetheless.

  • on June 19, 2013, 13:14 GMT

    If England lose this, will they be labelled as the next generation of chokers?

  • on June 19, 2013, 13:12 GMT

    west Indies would have done far better than that....bad weather in England cause us...

  • on June 19, 2013, 13:12 GMT

    It's another day, another tournament, against another team......but South Africa.....when will you start winning knockouits ??? It has become painfully frustrating now......whats the point in keeping hold of the no 2 ODI ranking if you can't win tournaments.

  • on June 19, 2013, 13:12 GMT

    sighhh dissapointment

  • on June 19, 2013, 13:06 GMT

    miller played beautifully just like he played when he scored 38 ball century for kings 11.he is best striker of ball alongside dhoni and gayle. he aceraged more than 100 in ipl this year which helped him to play confidently today.still wantibg sa to win here so we can have india-sa finals

  • umairasgharbutt on June 19, 2013, 13:05 GMT

    chokers r chokers, what you expect more?

  • on June 19, 2013, 13:05 GMT

    You know, England batsmen aren't miles ahead of the South Africans. Amla and DeVilliers failed here, just shows how difficult the pitch is. Game's still on.

  • on June 19, 2013, 13:00 GMT

    I really wish chokers win this time

  • Tapash on June 19, 2013, 13:00 GMT

    Every body was playing irresponsible. Captain should have stayed in the pitch for long time, but failed. I always fight with friends saying that, SA are not choker. But I am sorry today I have to believe. Lets see what happens.

  • on June 19, 2013, 12:54 GMT

    Let's see what SA have to offer without Steyn.. will they step up or live up to their reputation as chokers... whithering out of yet another international tournament.

  • vsroc on June 19, 2013, 12:51 GMT

    Posted by Venkat Sraman on (June 19,2013) Based on the later development of South Africa's innings,the match is poised for an exciting finish.

  • MartinC on June 19, 2013, 12:51 GMT

    After the first spell when Anderson was pretty much unplayable and the ball stopped singing it was a very good pitch to bat on. It might turn a little and swing withe the new ball but its a flat deck and fast outfield - 275 would be something to bowl at not 175. 300 is probably par.

    Its never over until its over but England are huge favourites right now.

  • Harlequin. on June 19, 2013, 12:48 GMT

    @quitthewhinging - no no no, a wicket cannot be made to swing the ball. Swing happens through the air, wickets only affect the bounce of the ball. Just no.

  • trav29 on June 19, 2013, 12:45 GMT

    @quitthewhinging care to live up to your name and explain for us how a wicket has anything to do with the ball swinging ? oh and btw this is an ICC tournament so they and not the host country make decisions on pitch preparation.

  • andrew27994 on June 19, 2013, 12:43 GMT

    The game isn't over yet. SA have some total to defend. If they can get rid of Cook and Trott within the first 10 overs at least then its game on. I think its pretty harsh to say SA are choking again because they are clearly not playing their best XI. The very fact that Buttler took 6 catches is a clear indication that the pitch isn't easy enough to bat irrespective of the Miller-Kleinveldt partnership.

  • on June 19, 2013, 12:38 GMT

    there u go chokers cloud all over again

  • on June 19, 2013, 12:37 GMT

    "Shame to see this sort of performance of South Africans though it doesn't look surprising as they played this match keeping their repo of Choker alive....We could see a far better fight if Windies would have qualified that day...A great retrieve that has given by the nature but so cheeply waisted by them....!"....

  • Hammond on June 19, 2013, 12:25 GMT

    Sun came out just in time to let England romp home. Regardless of what South Africa scrounge together.

  • MartinC on June 19, 2013, 12:22 GMT

    To say the match is not over yet with SA currently 167-8 and Miller going well is fair enough. To say SA could in anyway be thought of as favourites at this stage - or even if they knock over Cooks and Trott early is .....optimistic.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on June 19, 2013, 12:16 GMT

    Stupid tactics/captaincy risking England here again. Why the heck are the part-timers out bowling at 8-down, when the frontline bowlers have a good 10 overs left? This is really odd, frustrating stuff from Cook...

  • quittthewhinging on June 19, 2013, 12:15 GMT

    Suddenly a wicket that has swing. How predictable!

  • andrew27994 on June 19, 2013, 12:12 GMT

    Well I missed most of the action so far so I can't really judge the performance of both sides. SA's main batsmen Amla and AB failed which gives you an indication that it's a difficult pitch and seaming conditions but the very fact that players like Peterson, Faf and Miller are able to make decent contributions might indicate that SA batsmen have panicked with the loss of early wickets. The match isn't over yet but SA have to be prepared to fight it out to the end. If they get rid of Cook and Trott early, then they are going to be favourites I feel.

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on June 19, 2013, 12:10 GMT

    The SA tail is wagging here. England have in the past failed to mop up the tail... This match is not over.

  • Natesan333 on June 19, 2013, 12:04 GMT

    @praspuntre Those two things aren't mutually exclusive!! Life is a battle, there are winners and losers. It is a given you will lose, but you should never take that over a win, ever.

  • WTEH on June 19, 2013, 11:55 GMT

    Well SA must be very happy that there are no test tournaments. If started, it will be interesting to see their rankings. Amla, AB really big players, but not in knockout stages. Brainless or brain dead?

  • on June 19, 2013, 11:45 GMT

    match is not. over yet

  • on June 19, 2013, 11:45 GMT

    SA has some bad zuzu running !! Following them for years now. They just crumble in big tournaments like a local team

  • RednWhiteArmy on June 19, 2013, 11:43 GMT

    Yes its only limited overs cricket, but the signs are looking good.

  • on June 19, 2013, 11:31 GMT

    SA, England can never win a big tournament like a WC....India will win this.

  • PrasPunter on June 19, 2013, 11:22 GMT

    yes SA has failed - but why bother when they are the numero uno in test cricket. On any day, I would take that as against a win in a tournament like this.

  • ARJa on June 19, 2013, 11:21 GMT

    RSA cricketers are brain-dead and traumatized in every generation. Just cannot handle any pressure. There were lucky that a brain-dead Windies team handed them a semi-final spot on the platter with pathetic bowling and mindless batting. They are not going to getaway against England. Any team would be lucky to have RSA as an opponent in a crunch game. Win is guaranteed is you keep your head straight.

  • IftikarUK on June 19, 2013, 11:18 GMT

    SA are virtually a one bowler team, even if he was in wouldn't have done much to defend this bismal total put together by their strong batting line up. All credit to England. South Africa are done and dusted (once again in a major tournament).

  • WTEH on June 19, 2013, 11:13 GMT

    Clearly, SA doesn't deserved to be up there. There were some wonderful teams played their hearts out, but weather brought SA to the Semi's. Clearly the next Semi is the final!!! Who even lose that match is going to be really sad after watching this silly cricket game.

  • Yevghenny on June 19, 2013, 11:09 GMT

    blown away by Jimmy. He is unplayable in conditions like these

  • GRVJPR on June 19, 2013, 11:08 GMT

    So if hashim amala is a real great why he fails in big matches? If AB devilleries in best why he fails in big matches? If Miller is a real killer, why he dies without fight in big matches? May be they are 'Chokers'!

  • Sando008 on June 19, 2013, 11:05 GMT

    South Africa once again proving why they are known as chockers in world cricket. They are always habitual to failing in bigger matches. England bowling superbly and having the best bowling attack in this tournament. If they proceed to the finals and may face India then we'll see the best bowling vs best batting battle. For the time being it looks England dominating all the ways and looking far better team than south africa.

  • on June 19, 2013, 11:05 GMT

    This is looking great for Eng, reminds me of a certain Newlands Test, where SA were all out for 97 and bowled Aus out for 45. Even though we don't have Steyn, Morkel and Philander in this game. Who knows?

  • on June 19, 2013, 10:58 GMT

    I hope they don't blame the choking and give credit to a superior England bowling unit.

  • LALITHKURUWITA on June 19, 2013, 10:55 GMT

    no wickets are leftfor Bopara

  • MartinC on June 19, 2013, 10:52 GMT

    Well - SA now 5 down for 60 odd and into the batting all rounders .....There has been some very good bowling from Anderson and some very average batting from SA so far.

  • streetblader on June 19, 2013, 10:37 GMT

    @ Priyavrat96: He was tired and wanted some rest after a taxing and all important (read all paying) IPL...

  • Priyavrat96 on June 19, 2013, 9:54 GMT

    For what kind of reason is Jaques kallis is missing out in this tournament?

  • on June 19, 2013, 9:46 GMT

    The Africans reputation of being chokers in important competition is yet again on stake!.....

  • MartinC on June 19, 2013, 9:41 GMT

    ...and in the second over Amala goes caught behind nicking a good leg cutter from Finn. Huge wicket!

  • mahjut on June 19, 2013, 9:39 GMT

    oooh, tough times for SA ... no opener to partner Hash, no #3 bat, no strike bowlers! a reasonable, if not quite like-for-like replacement allrounder! let's see how this goes...

  • MartinC on June 19, 2013, 9:36 GMT

    Sorry Steyn is not playing even as an England fan.

    As I type Anderson does Ingram with an outswinger followed up by an inswinger and traps him dead in front in the first over for a duck. Quality bowling. Its swinging and that is a big plus for England especially with no Steyn.

  • MartinC on June 19, 2013, 9:36 GMT

    Sorry Steyn is not playing even as an England fan.

    As I type Anderson does Ingram with an outswinger followed up by an inswinger and traps him dead in front in the first over for a duck. Quality bowling. Its swinging and that is a big plus for England especially with no Steyn.

  • mahjut on June 19, 2013, 9:39 GMT

    oooh, tough times for SA ... no opener to partner Hash, no #3 bat, no strike bowlers! a reasonable, if not quite like-for-like replacement allrounder! let's see how this goes...

  • MartinC on June 19, 2013, 9:41 GMT

    ...and in the second over Amala goes caught behind nicking a good leg cutter from Finn. Huge wicket!

  • on June 19, 2013, 9:46 GMT

    The Africans reputation of being chokers in important competition is yet again on stake!.....

  • Priyavrat96 on June 19, 2013, 9:54 GMT

    For what kind of reason is Jaques kallis is missing out in this tournament?

  • streetblader on June 19, 2013, 10:37 GMT

    @ Priyavrat96: He was tired and wanted some rest after a taxing and all important (read all paying) IPL...

  • MartinC on June 19, 2013, 10:52 GMT

    Well - SA now 5 down for 60 odd and into the batting all rounders .....There has been some very good bowling from Anderson and some very average batting from SA so far.

  • LALITHKURUWITA on June 19, 2013, 10:55 GMT

    no wickets are leftfor Bopara

  • on June 19, 2013, 10:58 GMT

    I hope they don't blame the choking and give credit to a superior England bowling unit.

  • on June 19, 2013, 11:05 GMT

    This is looking great for Eng, reminds me of a certain Newlands Test, where SA were all out for 97 and bowled Aus out for 45. Even though we don't have Steyn, Morkel and Philander in this game. Who knows?