India v England, 2nd ODI, Delhi October 17, 2011

Bowlers, Kohli secure emphatic India victory

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India 238 for 2 (Kohli 112*, Gambhir 84*) beat England 237 (Pietersen 46, Vinay 4-30) by eight wickets
Scorecard and ball-by-ball details

A series of double-strikes at vital junctures in England's innings helped India limit the visitors to a below-par total in good batting conditions at the Feroz Shah Kotla, leaving their batsmen with a modest chase to secure a 2-0 lead in the five-ODI series. India's bowlers struck first at the beginning of the innings, next at the halfway stage and then at the start of the slog, forcing England to revert to a watchful approach when they had been well placed to surge.

Virat Kohli and Gautam Gambhir made short work of the target, helped by a fast outfield and short boundaries. After surviving a fiery new-ball spell from Steven Finn and helping India build after the early loss of the openers, both batsmen settled down to score with a fluency that had been visible only in patches in England's innings. Their 209-run partnership, during which Kohli raced to a century and Gambhir made a half-century, helped achieve the target of 238 with eight wickets in hand and 13.2 overs to spare.

The ease with which India chased on a dewy evening put their bowlers' effort, and that of Vinay Kumar who took a career-best 4 for 30, in perspective. India inflicted the first double-strike within the first two overs. Alastair Cook hoped to make best use of a pitch he felt would get slower as the match progressed but his duck was a setback to those plans. The fourth ball off the match, from Praveen Kumar, was short and wide and Cook cut it straight to Ravindra Jadeja at point. While Praveen was fortunate to strike with an ordinary delivery, Vinay Kumar produced a sharper ball in the second over to dismiss Craig Kieswetter - it bounced and seamed away from the right-hand batsman and took the outside edge of the tentative prod to a wide first slip.

The second brace of wickets occurred in the 25th and 26th overs. Bopara didn't pick a straighter one from R Ashwin and was lbw and Kevin Pietersen, who had found his fluency after a slow start, drove at and edged a wide ball from Umesh Yadav to give MS Dhoni a low catch.

Despite being reduced to 0 for 2 and 121 for 5, though, England hit boundaries regularly and had partnerships that helped them recover. What they didn't do well was take singles and twos - there were 172 dot balls in the innings. India would have only 108 dot balls in theirs. The first partnership, between Bopara and Pietersen, was worth 73, and the second, between Jonny Bairstow and Samit Patel, 86. All of those batsmen, in addition to Jonathan Trott, began to create problems for India but no one stayed long enough to cause significant damage.

Bairstow and Patel had led England to 207 in the 42nd over, when they also fell in successive overs - the third and decisive double-strike. Patel got a skiddy delivery from Yadav that kept low and struck him plumb in front, while Bairstow was caught on the long-off boundary. He had hit Jadeja hard and far but Kohli took the catch at head height just inside play. England had slumped to 211 for 7 and this time there was no recovery. The tail, which had caused India so many problems in England, did not contribute.

After 8.2 overs of the chase India were 35 for 2. England had been exactly the same in their innings. Tim Bresnan had dismissed Parthiv Patel and Ajinkya Rahane, but he wasn't England's most dangerous bowler. Finn was.

Finn clocked speeds of 150 kph and above consistently in his first spell. He beat Kohli with sheer pace after inducing an edge that went past slip for four. In the 10th over, Gambhir edged Finn past his stumps to the fine-leg boundary while attempting a cover drive. With three slips in place there was a huge gap between cover point and mid-off and Gambhir was aiming for it. He tried to steer once again, and Finn watched the outside edge fly wide of third slip once more. There was a third boundary in the over - Gambhir clipped a half-volley off his pads through square leg. Finn's frustration began to show and India began to pull away fast.

The other England bowlers caused no problems. Kohli pulled Jade Dernbach with a trace of arrogant dismissiveness, he drove Ravi Bopara with grace through cover, and Gambhir cut Graeme Swann behind point to bring up the 50-partnership off 42 balls.

Kohli reached his half-century off 45 balls, Gambhir got to his off 62. Both batsmen were level on 58 after 25 overs but thereafter Kohli began to race ahead with frequent boundaries and a constant turning over of the strike. He got to his century off only 89 balls with a deft glance off the pads against Jade Dernbach. He celebrated his seventh ODI hundred with a fist-pump. A few overs later, Kohli was fist-pumping again, after smashing Dernbach through midwicket to finish the game.

George Binoy is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • DocBindra on October 21, 2011, 0:07 GMT

    Well English United get hammered By India B AGAIN, 3-0 and counting. As we "swim through sea of garbage", lets see what excuses are on offer. Woakes, already excused himself, who will be next? All the imports delivered yet same old. I wonder who looked old and slow? Absolutely pathetic fielding by England AGAIN.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 20, 2011, 23:09 GMT

    Cont'd I think we need specialist bowlers, who will most likely be spinners in India as Dhoni doesn't have pace bowlers that he can rely on. Ultimately Ind does not any world class bowlers at present but spinners have more chance to pick up wickets with turn in Ind than the pace bowlers do with their pace. If Dhoni does go with pacers then they don't even have to take wickets to be effective if they are bowling maidens or going for about 3 / 4 runs per over. They can do this with consistent line and length and Dhoni can also set a field to support them. You get more value for maiden overs in ODIs than in tests because you don't have to bowl out the other team in ODIs to win. Generally Ind pacers only bowl at about 125kph which is the same speed as Bopara, so there's no excuse and they're simply making like difficult for themselves and the batters.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 20, 2011, 23:08 GMT

    @Karthik Raja I suspect the reason Dhoni wants an all-rounder in the team is because like today he can't rely entirely on either his batters or bowlers. Yet again he had to come in and make a match-winning contribution on what was a good batting pitch. He is the all-rounder in the team so better to have a bowler in the team who is going to take wickets or keep pressure on by keeping runs down. The pacemen did not look like taking a wicket at all. Yadav was expensive again as was V Kumar who bowled with discipline in the 2nd ODI - was that a one off?. Could have another spinner instead of Yadav. I understand that the more he plays the better he will become, but if you compare him with Finn, Yadav has a long way to go. IMO Finn has been the outstanding player so far in this series and was unlikely not to have got more wickets which has been due to usually poor fielding. Yadav really needs to fix his radar in domestic games before he is let loose in Internationals.

  • KillDevil on October 20, 2011, 14:51 GMT

    @JG sehwag wasn't fit but was bought back too early out of desperation (bad idea as he got injured again and lost more time) Yuvraj was the player of the tournament at the world cup. The fantastic broad you talk about was to be dropped before the 1st test but flower kept faith, Anderson might be the 2nd ranked bowler for england but in these conditions, would've got hammered again. check the team that played for india in the world cup and compare it to the one that played in england and the one playing here, not such a flawed argument i'd say.

  • on October 20, 2011, 7:21 GMT

    Cont'd. To put more precisely. If Ind hav KapilDev r even Irfan in their current squad, they can afford to drop Vinay/Jadeja and bring in an extra spinner which wud b Ojha. . Another logic - Ind can afford to drop a spinner easily than a pacer. Suppose we hv 2+2 combination. If d pitch seems to assist pace, hving only 2 pace wil hurt us. Bt on other hand(3+1), even if spin picks up gud. v can even get 20-25 overs from Jadeja/Raina/Kohli/Sehwag/Yusuf/Rohit. If thats d logic frm Dhoni's brain, I completely agree wid that. Wud like to knw ur views on this.

  • on October 20, 2011, 7:13 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay.. reg Team composition, every1 has their views. Dhoni has his own and he is Captain for a national Team much unlike we both.. So, it shud b respected. Since, we are more likely to hv the service of atleast 3 of Yuvraj,Raina,Yousuf,Sehwag,Kohli,Jadeja in ODI(all being slow bowlers) I wud agree wid wt Dhoni prefer. In Tests, we surely need a Bowling allrounder esp in seaming conditions. If not, we will end with long tail. I guess, u r confused. U r mentioning Steyn and Morkel when v talk abt Bowling allrounder. SA will hv 3 seamers. Steyn+Morkel+Tsotsube and a spinner in their squad. They cant afford to hv more than that. Bt, they r well compensated by Kallis. A batting allrounder. The logic is pretty simple. U hv batting alrounder. U can afford to hv one less bowler. If u hv bowling allrounder, U can afford to hv one less batsman - means u can hv one more bowler. Thats d need 4 Bowling allrounder. India hv batsman who can bowl. dats y v hv more batsman in our XI.

  • on October 20, 2011, 2:02 GMT

    By the end of this series we can access England's perfomance in their one day format. Alaistair Cook commented '' We are struggling in India as India struggled in England''. Cook must understand that India had close encounters against the England team during India's tour and England hardly managed a tie and a win due to the interruption of rain. But here in india, the series is turning out to be a one sided contest and England are looking helpless against the Indian batsmen as well as the spinners. They must try to rectify their weakness rather than saying we are a better team...

  • RohanMarkJay on October 19, 2011, 19:21 GMT

    @Clement-Edwin I agree with you too. I certainly liked the 1980s England team far more than the current lot, except for Captain Andrew Strauss today's England side I quite like him. The rest of the modern England team despite their test successes I can't warm to them very well. You are right they had better techniques and more consistent than the current lot.

  • JG2704 on October 19, 2011, 19:16 GMT

    Re - Posted by on (October 19 2011, 14:17 PM GMT) Sorry , couldn't find JJ's original comms but didn't Australia beat Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in recent months. I know Aus are not the force of old but I could see them climbing back up the test ladder. It is actually an unknown as to whether England can play TEST cricket in the sub continent with the current crop of players . They have beaten Australia and drawn with number 2 side South Africa which is fairly decent form I'd say. Time will tell.

  • JG2704 on October 19, 2011, 19:11 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay - Get what you're saying , but I would say there are OD all rounders out there although maybe not any genuine WC all rounders in England's OD line up. I remember when England had Luke Wright batting at 7 and not being trusted with the ball. Maybe someone like Monty Panassar could do enough of a job with the ball to merit selection?

  • DocBindra on October 21, 2011, 0:07 GMT

    Well English United get hammered By India B AGAIN, 3-0 and counting. As we "swim through sea of garbage", lets see what excuses are on offer. Woakes, already excused himself, who will be next? All the imports delivered yet same old. I wonder who looked old and slow? Absolutely pathetic fielding by England AGAIN.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 20, 2011, 23:09 GMT

    Cont'd I think we need specialist bowlers, who will most likely be spinners in India as Dhoni doesn't have pace bowlers that he can rely on. Ultimately Ind does not any world class bowlers at present but spinners have more chance to pick up wickets with turn in Ind than the pace bowlers do with their pace. If Dhoni does go with pacers then they don't even have to take wickets to be effective if they are bowling maidens or going for about 3 / 4 runs per over. They can do this with consistent line and length and Dhoni can also set a field to support them. You get more value for maiden overs in ODIs than in tests because you don't have to bowl out the other team in ODIs to win. Generally Ind pacers only bowl at about 125kph which is the same speed as Bopara, so there's no excuse and they're simply making like difficult for themselves and the batters.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 20, 2011, 23:08 GMT

    @Karthik Raja I suspect the reason Dhoni wants an all-rounder in the team is because like today he can't rely entirely on either his batters or bowlers. Yet again he had to come in and make a match-winning contribution on what was a good batting pitch. He is the all-rounder in the team so better to have a bowler in the team who is going to take wickets or keep pressure on by keeping runs down. The pacemen did not look like taking a wicket at all. Yadav was expensive again as was V Kumar who bowled with discipline in the 2nd ODI - was that a one off?. Could have another spinner instead of Yadav. I understand that the more he plays the better he will become, but if you compare him with Finn, Yadav has a long way to go. IMO Finn has been the outstanding player so far in this series and was unlikely not to have got more wickets which has been due to usually poor fielding. Yadav really needs to fix his radar in domestic games before he is let loose in Internationals.

  • KillDevil on October 20, 2011, 14:51 GMT

    @JG sehwag wasn't fit but was bought back too early out of desperation (bad idea as he got injured again and lost more time) Yuvraj was the player of the tournament at the world cup. The fantastic broad you talk about was to be dropped before the 1st test but flower kept faith, Anderson might be the 2nd ranked bowler for england but in these conditions, would've got hammered again. check the team that played for india in the world cup and compare it to the one that played in england and the one playing here, not such a flawed argument i'd say.

  • on October 20, 2011, 7:21 GMT

    Cont'd. To put more precisely. If Ind hav KapilDev r even Irfan in their current squad, they can afford to drop Vinay/Jadeja and bring in an extra spinner which wud b Ojha. . Another logic - Ind can afford to drop a spinner easily than a pacer. Suppose we hv 2+2 combination. If d pitch seems to assist pace, hving only 2 pace wil hurt us. Bt on other hand(3+1), even if spin picks up gud. v can even get 20-25 overs from Jadeja/Raina/Kohli/Sehwag/Yusuf/Rohit. If thats d logic frm Dhoni's brain, I completely agree wid that. Wud like to knw ur views on this.

  • on October 20, 2011, 7:13 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay.. reg Team composition, every1 has their views. Dhoni has his own and he is Captain for a national Team much unlike we both.. So, it shud b respected. Since, we are more likely to hv the service of atleast 3 of Yuvraj,Raina,Yousuf,Sehwag,Kohli,Jadeja in ODI(all being slow bowlers) I wud agree wid wt Dhoni prefer. In Tests, we surely need a Bowling allrounder esp in seaming conditions. If not, we will end with long tail. I guess, u r confused. U r mentioning Steyn and Morkel when v talk abt Bowling allrounder. SA will hv 3 seamers. Steyn+Morkel+Tsotsube and a spinner in their squad. They cant afford to hv more than that. Bt, they r well compensated by Kallis. A batting allrounder. The logic is pretty simple. U hv batting alrounder. U can afford to hv one less bowler. If u hv bowling allrounder, U can afford to hv one less batsman - means u can hv one more bowler. Thats d need 4 Bowling allrounder. India hv batsman who can bowl. dats y v hv more batsman in our XI.

  • on October 20, 2011, 2:02 GMT

    By the end of this series we can access England's perfomance in their one day format. Alaistair Cook commented '' We are struggling in India as India struggled in England''. Cook must understand that India had close encounters against the England team during India's tour and England hardly managed a tie and a win due to the interruption of rain. But here in india, the series is turning out to be a one sided contest and England are looking helpless against the Indian batsmen as well as the spinners. They must try to rectify their weakness rather than saying we are a better team...

  • RohanMarkJay on October 19, 2011, 19:21 GMT

    @Clement-Edwin I agree with you too. I certainly liked the 1980s England team far more than the current lot, except for Captain Andrew Strauss today's England side I quite like him. The rest of the modern England team despite their test successes I can't warm to them very well. You are right they had better techniques and more consistent than the current lot.

  • JG2704 on October 19, 2011, 19:16 GMT

    Re - Posted by on (October 19 2011, 14:17 PM GMT) Sorry , couldn't find JJ's original comms but didn't Australia beat Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in recent months. I know Aus are not the force of old but I could see them climbing back up the test ladder. It is actually an unknown as to whether England can play TEST cricket in the sub continent with the current crop of players . They have beaten Australia and drawn with number 2 side South Africa which is fairly decent form I'd say. Time will tell.

  • JG2704 on October 19, 2011, 19:11 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay - Get what you're saying , but I would say there are OD all rounders out there although maybe not any genuine WC all rounders in England's OD line up. I remember when England had Luke Wright batting at 7 and not being trusted with the ball. Maybe someone like Monty Panassar could do enough of a job with the ball to merit selection?

  • JG2704 on October 19, 2011, 19:10 GMT

    @Shyam1311 - You asked for comments from English fans , well here goes. Broad is injured and on his day he is a great bowler in any format , he may have done well , he may have got hammered. Anderson is England's second ranked ODI bowler behind Swann , but again we'll never know as he was awful in the WC but decent in the summer. Re Morgan , I do feel we really miss him badly as he has so much talent and imagination and I think he would do well out there. As for Bell - I'm not one of these who are crying for him to play. If I may compare this to the Indian fans comments , with the exception of ZK , every first choice player which got injured in the test series failed when they did play . Well Kumar I think missed a test but he was only good by comparison to the rest of the Indian bowlers. Re H Singh , Gambir , Yuvraj , Sehwag - what did they achieve when they did play ? Can you see the flaws in their arguments?

  • on October 19, 2011, 18:56 GMT

    RohanMarkJay_TestCricketRules Re the South Africans in the English team, while you are at it why don't you bring over some good Brazilian footballers give them British citizenship and try and win the world cup or perhaps some great Kiwi rugby players and call yourself the English All blacks and claim to be Rugby world champions (How does Manu Tuilagi a Samoan qulify to play rugby for England?). As for Keppler Wessells as far as I am aware he is back in South Africa calls himself a South African never considered himself an Australian which makes a mockery of the whole thing.

  • Shan156 on October 19, 2011, 18:03 GMT

    @JG2704, I think we just have to stay out of these debates. Indian fans are rightly happy that they are winning. England fans neither bothered too much about the ODI series in England nor the one going on in India. It is not an excuse. We do know that it is a fact that England have fallen behind the crowd when it comes to ODIs. In fact, it was a surprise that they even managed to win 3-0 in England. They need to do much better than this if they are to stand any chance in the 2015 world cup. On recent evidence, while they haven't been outright poor (based on home/away series wins against SA and SL and home series wins against Aus, Pak and India), they need to do much better than that.

    However, if England continue to remain on top of the world rankings in tests and keep winning test series against all oppositions, I could care little if we don't do well in ODIs. I mean, it would be nice to win a world cup and be a force in ODIs but our top priority is test cricket.

  • on October 19, 2011, 14:17 GMT

    Joshua Johnson You are living in cloud cukoo land if you think the current Australian side can win anywhere. Not even the great Australian sides of the past could win in India. It was no fluke England won the Ashes Australia were poor in every Department . The debate is not about Australia who are ranked about fifth and rightly so but about who the top side in the world is SA. India or England. I think the these three sides are about level. That is that is they are good in home conditions but would struggle to beat the other two away from home.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 19, 2011, 13:38 GMT

    Cont'd IMHO an all-rounder is a player who can get into the team on the basis of either discipline such as Imran, Hadlee, Botham, Kapil Dev otherwise you end up with a player whose a jack of all trades and master of none. These players were genuine all-rounders because they could change the game with either bat or ball. As far as I can remember the last genuine all-rounder was Gilchrist though there are some who feel that he was more of a batsman who could keep. I don't think Flintoff performed often enough with the bat to be considered as an all-rounder and interestingly, as I understand, thought of himself as a batting all-rounder whereas I feel he was more of a bowler who could bat a bit. I would be interested in hearing views on this. The top bowlers past and present they have always been selected on their bowling and not their batting eg don't see Steyn and Morkel being left out of SA team because they can't bat.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 19, 2011, 13:17 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas thanks for your clarification. @Karthik Raja don't understand why Dhoni wants 3 pacers+2 spinners if 2 pacers and 3 spinners can do a better job. Why do Ind bowling need a bowling all-rounder? The current batting line will more than likely will be actual in the future one so if we can't rely on the specialist batters such as Gambhir, Raina, Dhoni, possibly Kohli if he becomes more consistent, and whomever else then that means the batters have collectively failed and/or the opposition bowling was good. If the bowling was good and we also have good bowlers then we can compete to defend low totals. Surely if the batting is the strength then the only criteria for choosing a bowler who is the one most likely to take wickets and/or be economical. A bits and pieces bowler means that he will have to score runs equal to what he gives away with the ball plus wickets to be effective. Surely better to go with specialist bowlers?

  • Shyam1311 on October 19, 2011, 13:05 GMT

    Please look at following facts of players claimed to be missed by England Fans.

    Broad - Carrier (84 Match, 137 Wickets, 27.08 Avg., 5.23 Economy rate) In India V/s India (5 Match, 7 Wickets, 38.29 Avg., 6.14 Economy rate) Last Match Figures in India V/s India (8.4 over - 54 Run/1 wicket)

    Anderson - Carrier (151 Match, 204 Wickets, 30.89 Avg., 5.04 Economy rate) In India V/s India (12 Match, 12 Wickets, 48.08 Avg., 5.89 Economy rate) Last Match Figures in India V/s India (9.5 over - 91 Run/1 wicket)

    Bell - Carrier (107 Match, 3232 Runs, 34.38 Avg., 73.37 Strike rate) In India V/s India (8 Match, 235 Run, 29.38 Avg.), Last Match Figures in India V/s India (3 Run)

    Morgon - Never played in India v/s India.

    I don't think above players may have impact the results much. I want comments from English Fans.

  • jmcilhinney on October 19, 2011, 11:41 GMT

    There seem to be quite a few people suggesting that Bairstow be dropped. I don't really understand that. He's done relatively well so far and is exactly the sort of player that England need to develop if they are to improve as an ODI side. While I'm sure that England would like to win some of these games if possible, this series is more about the road to WC 2015. I'm sure they see Bairstow as being a pillar of that team so why would they drop him now after several quite decent performances? It's not like the rest are setting the world alight so he's at least on par. It was obviously against inferior opposition but that century against Hyderabad is the sort of thing England will be looking for him to do at the top level in the future, as he gains more experience.

  • sehwag-is-king on October 19, 2011, 10:02 GMT

    India will win this series 5-0. England must play Bell in remaining ODIs. They should drop Keiswetter & Bairstow should keep wickets. Cook is very bad CAPTAIN.

  • brittop on October 19, 2011, 9:43 GMT

    @Vaibhav Kharbanda: ah poor Indian team, all tired after the WC and playing WI. England played the Ashes, the WC, then SL and did alright. I feel sorry for you too, that you haven't got the time to enjoy test cricket - it's so much more rewarding than one-day stuff.

  • brittop on October 19, 2011, 9:33 GMT

    @Sundar Subramaniam: oh and it's not an excuse that we don't care about ODIs, (for those who said it) it's true. I personally wouldn't care less if England never played another ODI. And England did not get thrashed in the tests in India last time. They lost a two test series one-nil, hardly comparable with 4-0.

  • JG2704 on October 19, 2011, 9:31 GMT

    @red000 - re your comments - which started with feeble excuses for why India lost in the ODseries in England in a series that we in England weren't that bothered about anyway and ends by exaggerating umpiring decisions and injuries to the test side and I think even says the 4-0 test series could have been 2-1 to India. If they are neutral then I wonder what you'll come out with if you get into biased mode

  • BIG_B_army on October 19, 2011, 9:25 GMT

    whatever happens in a game of cricket win or loose, players should keep the respect. they are role models and watching Trott and Bresnan acting like children was embarrasing. Im an British indian and like to see both teams do well. but to see those 2 senior players acting like that showed that the english ODI team has not moved on like the test team. i dont think neither would have acted like that if strauss was captain. Cook should have told them both to shut up and concentrate on getting a wicket. u cant blame finn and dembach much as they are young and still a bit reckless you would think.

  • JG2704 on October 19, 2011, 9:20 GMT

    @Vaibhav Kharbanda - I've debated points like this til I'm blue in the face and when my responses do actually get posted I get no counter responses. I can't be bothered to reply any further to a person who can't even be bothered to type full words even if they are only 3 letters long. Whenever I have debated/commented on domestic games/issues there have not been a fraction of the gloating and pettiness which we have had from a multitude of Indian fans. The ICC rankings reflect facts more accurately than any of our opinions. England are at 1 in the tests and Australia are 1 in ODI's , I believe SA are 2 in both and India are3 in both.

  • Big_Poppa_94 on October 19, 2011, 8:37 GMT

    @JG2704 True but England have generally been poor in the sub continent. They lack power hitters to post huge scores. Plus, England play with a more traditional style hence why the openers hardly give quick starts. Compare to the opening pair of Sehwag-Tendulkar. Both put bowlers off guard and do something different. Only Eoin Morgan and KP are in my opinion, your BEST ODI players. Sure, India were soundly beat in the Tests but in this decade, it was the ONLY bad Test Series. India heavily rely on the batting. So when it didn't click they struggled. As always, bowlers win matches. A potent bowling attack can defend low scores. So no surprise that England are winning. It's one of the best squad I have seen but retaining the number 1 spot is hard. Maintaining standards like how Man Utd do in Footy is the mark of a champion sports team. Good luck with England but they'll still get thrashed in this ODI series.

  • on October 19, 2011, 6:43 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay and @Nampally, I do agree that Ojha is very good bowler. Bt, believe me he dont have a slot in current playingXI. Dhoni always prefer 6+1+1+3 combo. He need 3 pacers. So, its left to only 2 spinning options. Unless we find a fast bowling allrounder, we can have only one regular spinner. And Ashwin and Bhajji are front runners for that. They definitely edge Ojha in batting dept. Same holds good for TESTs also. Even I wanted Ojha to be in playing XI for last 2 tests in Eng. Bt, Mishra is definitely a better bat to strngthen lower middle order. And he did that perfectly.. Its simple. U select Ojha strengthen bowling a bit. U select Mishra, strengthen batting a bit. Dhoni went for defensive option(atleast u can draw wid better batting. batting has always been our strength as Dhoni says). Unless v find a fast bowling allrounder, v cant afford to hv a spinner who cant bat. Its the fact.

  • on October 19, 2011, 6:11 GMT

    atlast some joy for india thats good

  • jmcilhinney on October 19, 2011, 6:03 GMT

    @IronCobra, Bopara and Patel were both born in England, as I'm sure you well know. Kieswetter and Pietersen are both SA-born and both did come to England late. Dernbach is SA-born of an Afrikaans father and, if I remember correctly, an Italian mother. He came to England in his early to mid teens and learned to play cricket in England, having played rugby in SA. I'm not sure of the proportions but the white blood in SA is mainly of English and Dutch origin. Names like "Dernbach" would presumably be of Dutch origin. To the untrained ear, there is a passing similarity between Dutch and German. I know all this from 5 minutes spent on CricInfo and Wikipedia. Seek and ye shall find. Sit back and wait for others to seek and they may do so for you but they may also call you lazy for doing so.

  • on October 19, 2011, 5:54 GMT

    jg2704 u shld always look for your self reliance....nd the reason behind indian team failure was that the player were suffering from fatigue nd tiredness..after 2 successive campaign...the series vs wi and winning of the mighty wc.....wat were englishmen doing losing 6-1 from aussies...nd showed their consistant wc performance...:P atleast in cricket india is way ahead of england....and in terms of test format...the format is in declining stage nd thre is no future in it...pple does,nt hav that much tym like u 2 waste their 5 days...!nw days shorter formats r more successful....!if u dnt beleive look at your national sport football which has highest no. of fan following in the world nd see the t20s rapid growth in the world...nw cricket is played by most part of the world....so atleast v are,nt hiding our poor performance in england thats y v r conquering u convincingly in the sub continent...!

  • hiren888 on October 19, 2011, 4:04 GMT

    @OhhhhMattyMatty.. Mate!your comments are increasingly funny and of course without any fact or substance. Agreed India were thrased by England in Test series. No excuses (players injured, weather whatever blah blah....). But now India is pretty much doing the same. Also, its not 8-2 mate.. There are no Tests involved in current series, so even if India wanted, they cant have another go at England to square things up. So Just the ODI's.. And if I remember correctly, England managed to win just 3 ODI's out of 5. (Cant consider washed out matches as England win can we now???) so the real result is England leads by 3-2.....

    And other thing, naming retired players and injured players is not going to change anything as India too had a exhaustive list of injured players...

  • on October 19, 2011, 3:43 GMT

    Indians fans are far more graceful in both winning and losing. Just look at the excuses England fans are making about how they don't take ODI's seriously. There was a lot of hype before the world cup that England had a great chance of winning. The moment they get owned they say they never gave importance to ODI's. Also the last time England played a test series in India, they got thrashed. So they aren't better than India in tests either, yes they did win in England but unless they manage to win or at least draw the test series in India next year they can't claim to be the better team. Both teams are strong at home.

  • PravinM on October 19, 2011, 3:29 GMT

    Team India is doing good in India and the margins of win are very good against England's margins when they won in England. Now days, its irrelevant to talk about teams doing good on home pitch. Its evident that every country prepare the pitches which suit for the home team. Australia, SA, England prepare the ones which favour pacemen, India, Srilanka like to favour spinners. So we need to judge any team on how they perform in other countries. And India is doing well now days if we ignore the recent england test series (not ODIs where team fought really well), we could challenge Australia and SA in their backyards and even won test matches. Once we start getting more good pacemen who do consistently well (Ishant did it in Australia, Srisanths bowling to Kallis and team), then team will beat anybody and anywhere.

    By the way, where is Mr. Nasser Hussain now days ?

  • murty636 on October 19, 2011, 2:58 GMT

    Guys, its a contest between the bat and the ball : between 22 players who have been put on the ground on any given day / night. Why hypothesize about who "could / should / might" have been included and "might" have changed the result etc etc ? .... In England, the ball almost always does more than the bat and the team with the better bowling strength usually has the upper hand. In India, the bat almost always does better and the ball almost always spins..... and the the same logic applies. When we went to Eng, the Eng team had a better attack and so even with Sachin , VVS etc etc we got drubbed. Now, it appears that , the Indian team OF THE DAY is batting better than the Eng and so we are winning. Thats all. If we had played better in Eng , we too may have won and if the Eng play better now.. they too may win.. Lets just enjoy the Game.

  • Srini_Indian on October 19, 2011, 2:25 GMT

    @Joshua Johnson: LOL.. Australia beating India in India? Forgot the 2-0 result in 2008 and 2-0 whitewash in 2010?

  • Nampally on October 19, 2011, 1:42 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay:I was just as disappointed in seeing Ojha being treated so badly by the Indian Selectors.He should have played in the England ODI's when India had such attrocious bowling. To be dropped again speaks volumes of myopic Selectors- no vision or plan for player development.Earlier another left arm spinner M.Kartik got the same cold shoulder.The Selectors think Jadeja can do the ojha's role & bat as well. The other spinner is Rahul Sharma who is again getting the same treatment as Ojha. Ashwin, Ojha and Rahul Sharma are 3 spinners to watch. Aaron & Yadav have good pace but need length & direction control. There are 4 other pace bowlers who cloclk over 140 KPH -Tyagi, Nechim, Ahmad & Shukla.Going to England team they need Bell & Strauss badly.It is good to have youth but starting youth in unfamiliar conditions is not a good idea.England needs 3 players like Cook, Bell & KP to form the backbone. I don't like the word payback used by one commenter.Fight back is more appropriate

  • BigDataIsAHoax on October 19, 2011, 1:33 GMT

    Hey guys, is Dernbach from Germany? I mean Bopara and Patel are indians, Kieswetter and Pietersen south africans and all that. But, yeah last I heard there was some confusion as to whether Dernbach is a south african or german? Any idea?

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 19, 2011, 0:23 GMT

    @itsthewayuplay, I agree with you completely that payback now won't help in the long run. And regarding the logic you used about ODIs, totals, wins and bowlers, can't agree more. Posting big totals means we may win those matches and get away with it though our bowling is weak. For now payback is the only great thing - what I mean is beating England is not great. Payback is what we should be celebrating without getting too cocky. For me payback now is the great or happy thing. I mean after getting thrashed the whole summer, the results of these two matches are too sweet to ignore. On a different note, I would love to see one of my favourite players Ian Bell on the spin friendly Indian tracks. I'm worried we may lose if he plays well along with Trott and KP. But, I'm all for such tense challenges. I'm digressing from your message. I know. But I'm a very big fan of these three players and I would love to see them play together on Indian pitches. That would be a treat to watch, for me.

  • on October 19, 2011, 0:09 GMT

    I don't really like the idea of teams losing badly in a series. It spoils the fun of watching a series. The conditions in England very much favor England and the same goes for India. It would be more interesting if both teams play equally well and the margin of victory was narrow. I very much liked the English World Cup team, not only because they were a good team, but also because they played tight games and won or lost by narrow margins.

  • EverybodylovesSachin on October 18, 2011, 22:28 GMT

    It's a PAYBACK Time............

  • JG2704 on October 18, 2011, 22:10 GMT

    @Shan156 - Too much truth and common sense for most on these boards to digest. It will be interesting to see if England can consolidate at the top of the test rankings. Australia in most of the 90s and 2000s were awesome , same with WI in the 70s , 80s. Would love to have seen a peak Australia with Waugh , Ponting , Mcgrath , Warne etc against a peak WI with Greenidge , Richards , Holding , Garner etc. South Africa will be a real yardstick as they are consistently tough opposition home and away

  • itsthewayuplay on October 18, 2011, 22:07 GMT

    One of the reasons why Ind has been successful in ODIs has been the ability to post competitive scores and then bowling the opposition out is not necessary to win. Big scores puts pressure on the opposition to keep up with the run rate and hole out to Cow's Corner and allows bowlers to take wickets with non-wicket-taking deliveries. This can create a bit of a false economy when the opposition lose rather than Ind win. The next step for Ind to progress in ODIs and more importantly tests and has to be to find and develop bowlers of pace, swing and the next generation of spin. So far no-one stands out in either of these categories which is why the omission of Ohja is so disappointing although Ashwin did bowl reasonably well in the 1st ODI. To progress we need a better balance between bat and ball that we can also defend low totals and compete on any surface. Payback now won't help Ind in the long run.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 18, 2011, 22:05 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas not quite sure why payback should be the only great thing about this series. The test series highlighted the many issues that Cricket India has to address because of the success in the last few years has been down quality of players who have recently retired or not too far from retiring. The main reason why India was able to post respectable totals in the ODIs in Eng is because the white ball doesn't do as much as there ball so batsmen got away it. All the bowlers however were exposed especially when they couldn't defend 300. The pace bowlers never looked like taking wickets in Eng and have rarely threatened in Ind. For me the only positive in ODIs both home and away so far has been Raina who looks like a different player to one we saw in the tests. Spinners have done a reasonable job figures-wise but no-one so far has stood out as the next big thing - worrying when you consider spin has traditionally been our strength.

  • JG2704 on October 18, 2011, 21:54 GMT

    @Big_Poppa_94 RE MY COMMENTS India played the test Series in England with less than half its regular team - Ok then please name India's best test 11 and we'll continue the debate from there. --- I'M NOT SURE WHO I WAS REPLYING TO AS IT WAS A FACEBOOK POSTEE WITH NO NAME , , but I did ask this question in response to someone who basically said India had half their team out for the whole test series. However a fair assessment of India's one day squad but still no best India test 11 pre tour , and re England in sub continent it is more of an unknown as to whether they can conquer the sub continent in tests right now as they have not played there with the current crop of players

  • OhhhhMattyMatty on October 18, 2011, 21:36 GMT

    8-2 to England I believe in 2011.

  • on October 18, 2011, 20:48 GMT

    What does this series show? It shows that England and India are both overrated and don't deserve to be the top teams in world cricket. Neither one of them can win overseas, at least Australia win everywhere. England beating us in the Ashes was a fluke, we will win in England, in India, in South Africa...EVERYWHERE. These two teams don't deserve to be known as the top teams.

  • Shan156 on October 18, 2011, 20:25 GMT

    @red000, decisions went in our favor, otherwise, India would have lost only 1-2? What decisions are you talking about? In fact, India got a lot of decisions go their way - 2 plumb lbw appeals against Sachin and Raina weren't given and Gambhir survived one such appeal in a test too. There were several other instances but these were right out of the top of my head. Some decisions did go England's way too but at the end of the day, they even out. 4-0 was a fair result. England's bowlers were good enough to create more chances. And, the Oval wicket was not a green wicket and England won convincingly there as well.

    Every team prepares wicket that suits them - that is called home advantage. If India prepares square turners, good for them. No one can complain about that. You grit your teeth and play the game. Stop making inane excuses. England were too good for India in England. India are too good for England in India (albeit, only in ODIs). Tests? We will see next year.

  • 360review on October 18, 2011, 20:24 GMT

    A Convincing win from India. England looked like they were looking for rain to help them again. They were able to beat B-level Indian team in England with very close calls but still have ways to go to prove themselves everywhere else.

  • Shan156 on October 18, 2011, 19:46 GMT

    "After the summer people were comparing this England side to the Great West Indies and Australian sides from the past. "

    Actually, no. All England fans actually claim that this is the best England side they have seen. And, that is true. Most of us know that we have to do well in the sub-continent and beat SA home and/or away to be really considered the best side now. However, most sane fans would agree that England is one of the strong test teams out there now.

    Indian fans are the ones who still claim that their "first choice" XI is better than the great teams of the past. Someone even claimed that Zaheer is as good as any of the WI pace greats and they threw some obscure stats to back it up. It was sacrilege, actually. I am sure some Indian fan would come up with some stats to "prove" that Zaheer is as good as, if not better than, the great WI pacemen. Well, either that, or English bowlers are rubbish. Either way, it is going to be hilarious.

    cricinfo, please publish.

  • Shan156 on October 18, 2011, 19:28 GMT

    @SamRoy,

    You say,

    "And England are awesome at playing leggies"

    Actually, no. We are not awesome at playing leg spin. Our players are not even good players of leg spin - we struggled a lot against Shane Warne. And, then, you say, " (excepting Mishra and Chawla who don't have bite)"

    Perhaps, you meant to say, we are *awful* at playing leg spin. That isn't true either. Our record against Kumble isn't bad, you know.

    brittop's message says it all - we know we aren't a good ODI side. Indian fans know it too. Then, why all the gloating at beating a "poor" ODI side? Indian fans know it inside (and some have admitted it openly) that England are better at tests and are throwing all kinds of excuses for their test series defeat. Hear it Indian fans, we know that our team is mediocre at ODIs but we have a better test side. Fact is, we have won test and ODI series in England and you have won 'em in India. Honors even. No excuses can cover it up.

  • red000 on October 18, 2011, 19:16 GMT

    @JG2704 I hav spoken everything in neutral point of view....I hav given credit were its due..and .I agree england outplayed india in tests...they prepared lively pitches..and ur bowlers utalized them very well...but they hav been decisions which went ur way..in crucial times ..which never let india to come into game..in two test matches..otherwise it could been 2-1...than 4-0....But india never looked settled with somany injurys....sehwag,gambhir,zaheer...r crucial for india...and all r unfit..indians success in overseas in recent past hav been their openers giving decent opening stands..which ment the powerfull middleorder not exposed to newball..and captalize on start given by openers....and zaheer is our strike bowler

  • anksoct on October 18, 2011, 19:02 GMT

    to all england fans : the series is not over, somebody atleast claim that ur team will save a few matches..c'mon guys..when we got pummeled in england, we didn't flinch & admit mid-tour that we'll lose everything .. what happened to brit grit..it's more fun beating ur team when you think you can win. is that resignation we see there ??

  • dicky_boy on October 18, 2011, 18:39 GMT

    Well to all the English fans who say Zaheer was just one bowler well in SA we lost the first test badly without Zaheer and second test Zaheer came back and took three to five wickets every innings and we almost beat them in the series . We beat them in the second test and they saved the third test in SA , India was on the offense .on the other hand The English team saved the series when they played with southafrica in south Africa

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 18, 2011, 18:36 GMT

    Dear fellow Indian fans, can't we stop getting so cocky and arrogant? India was royally thrashed by England in Tests and England won the ODIs, may be not so convincingly. So, can't we just say, " Dear Brits, it is payback time" and move on? Would have been lovely if a test series is in place. The Brits themselves don't claim that their ODI Team is great. So, what's great in beating them? Remember, we are The Champs! Beating other teams, including England, should be the norm. The only great or happy thing in this series has to be the payback factor. Let us rejoice that feeling. It is always sweet when paying back, except our loans and debts ;). No matter how much some Brits want us to believe that this isn't payback, we all know that it is payback. Payback doesn't mean the past is going to change. But, that doesn't mean payback doesn't exist. It's a simple, real and sweet human emotional phenomenon. Cook and Flower should get their heads checked for not including Ian Bell in the team.

  • Big_Poppa_94 on October 18, 2011, 18:25 GMT

    @JG2704 India's best 11 in ODI's? For me it would be Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Kohli, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Raina, Ashwin, Zaheer Khan, Ishant Sharma, Varun Aaron/Umesh Yadav. This for me would be India's best 11 for the ODIs. When Tendulkar eventually hangs his boots, then Gambhir should assume his usual opening position like he does in Tests. In the team I listed, India would have a good spinner in Ashwin (who I prefer over Bhaji these days) and part time options in Sehwag, Yuvraj and Raina (for the middle overs). Zaheer to spearhead the attack. He would provide guile, accuracy, composure and siwng. Ishant would provide extra bounce with his heigh. Varun Aaron or Umesh Yadav would provide India the extra pace which they so dearly lack. The batting pretty much sorts itself out. While England maybe a good Test squad because of bench strength and a potent attack, they still lack the prowess to conquer the subcontinent. One bad series by India does not define them as a terrible Test team.

  • Thandi77 on October 18, 2011, 18:25 GMT

    Good win but nothing to get too excited about, still concerns about opener's and pace attack plus lower middle order. Great to c Uthappa & Y Pathan selected for t20s, shame Uthappa not selected for remaining ODI's. Parthiv Patel should have made way he is not an international class opener. To the bowling, very promising from Umesh Yadav bowled with good pace 90mph plus just needs more control,( i would love to see him bowl in australia), v kumar got lucky i still don't rate him in the long term but he deserves a run in team for now, P kumar looked a bit off colour i wouldve given him a rest for remainder of series to give the likes of Aaron, Aravind a chance. Jurys still out for jadeja though with bat & ball. team for 3rd odi. Rahane,Gambhir,Kohli, M Tiwary, Raina, Dhoni, Jadeja, Ashwin, V Kumar, Aaron, Yadav

  • sanjay0301 on October 18, 2011, 18:21 GMT

    India Rocked... England Locked !!!

  • MrBrightside92 on October 18, 2011, 18:13 GMT

    I described the first Indian win as a commanding performance, this one was ruthless! Quite merciless! I didn't think the plan to avoid a Dhoni/Raina onslaught was to ensure they were not needed to bat! I was also a tad disappointed that we made Vinay Kumar look a decent bowler! After the first game, I thought we played the ol' 'Hydrabad XI' trick where you make an opposing player look good (say score a quick 100), which in turn encourages selection. I thought an above average performance from VK and he plays all five games...job done! Second game...best bowling figures....England 0-2...D'oh! It's now back to the good old days where we expect very little from our meek England team...If we can lose by less than 75 runs or if the Indians take more than 42 overs to chase...it's a moral victory! I'm guessing the Indian fans will not get bored of one sided victories? Thought not...

  • on October 18, 2011, 18:13 GMT

    @Jit_cric. Sorry Pal. I am from the West Indies. Lol. Trinidad & Tobago to be precise. We are on the same side vs England. We always support you when you play England. Be honest. Don't u find a lot of illogical comments here by both sides. Remember I am a neutral looking on from the outside.

  • bobmartin on October 18, 2011, 17:07 GMT

    Well I'll say one thing for most Indian supporters on here, they know how to win even less graciously than they know how to lose.

  • JG2704 on October 18, 2011, 16:32 GMT

    @Juiceoftheapple - I get your points but it's a difficult one. i would base who comes in when on many different things such as what the runrate is and bowling conditions , who's bowling etc. Like in the CLT20 , I thought - on hindsight that (for once) Huldreth or Compton could have come in when Mallinga was bowling ahead of RVDM. Compton and Hildreth are more accumulators anyway and I think if they had seen off Mallinga , then RVDM coming in when their lesser bowlers were on would have been better. However I usually like to have a fast starter or maybe 2 at the top of the order. I just look at Australia who in the past had Haydn/Gilchrist opening and these days have Watson/Warner. My thoughts areif you get off to a flyer - even if you lose a wicket or 2 , it gives time for the following batsmen to get settled as there is not so much pressure to score fast runs. I feel that Bopara and the lauded Bell have often - for England - wasted too many overs , letting the run rate climb too much.

  • brittop on October 18, 2011, 16:17 GMT

    As an England fan, I agree with the Indian fans that England are rubbish at 50 over cricket (and possibly always will be). Why are you so pleased then that India are winning? It's surely just to be expected. England beat India 4-0 in tests when India were no.1 in the world. That's worth celebrating!

  • JG2704 on October 18, 2011, 16:16 GMT

    @red000 on (October 18 2011, 06:03 AM GMT) re @england FANS Im a indian . will support india..but on a neutral and cricketing point of view...india are by far the better side - I have read the rest of your post and I wonder if the word NEUTRAL has a different meaning in india than it does over here?

  • kriskini on October 18, 2011, 16:10 GMT

    @Subbass : If one is a cricket fan then no need to worry about other sports. There are 3 different verions. This makes you feel like 3 different sports and test matches are for five days. Life is too short to see enough number of test matches. Many peole have already replied to your question and here I am adding to that. India was good in billiards for a long time with world champions but I donot know abount now.

  • JG2704 on October 18, 2011, 16:03 GMT

    @Posted by on (October 17 2011, 23:57 PM GMT)

    Please put your user name if you're going to post. Re ZK - he only had one warm up game vs Somerset and I think he didn't take a single wicket in that match. They may have had injuries which affected players on and off but I'd say no more than 2 players other than ZK out in the same test.England played several tests without Trott and Morgan and Bresnan probably wouldn't have been in the side had Tremlett not got injured. Also what did the other injured players do when they did play vs England? had Dravid got injured you'd maybe had more of a point. Trott was ranked in the top 5 in the world when he was injured. If England played India in a test series in India I still believe we would win although admit it would be much closer than in England. As there is no test series we can only go by opinions.

  • pbrd on October 18, 2011, 15:42 GMT

    This is to all the fans who belive India was beaten comprehensively by England in England.....Look now England only dont have services of their two premier bowlers and they are losing badly where as India had lost more than half side on the tour and still gave very good fight... this shows its not easy without ur best players...

  • on October 18, 2011, 15:23 GMT

    so another nightmare for England.....has Nasir gone underground? A layman through results can say that England is best in its home and Indian in his.....but remember, England played their perhaps best11 in ODI in england but India didn't...neither in england nor here in India.....also batsmen did a very decent job or good job to be precise in England....far evident from fact that rookie Ajankya Rahane scored more runs than veteran Cook,,,,,,....Its only Pace department where India has to work...and tyhankfully India have discovered a new breed of such bowlers....just wish they become Zaheer Khan by 2015...., anyways for dis series 5-0 thrashing is best festival fest that will be given to us by Indian Team......

    Also Happy Married Life in advance to Gautam Gambhir

  • JG2704 on October 18, 2011, 15:20 GMT

    re Posted by on (October 17 2011, 22:24 PM GMT) India played the test Series in England with less than half its regular team - Ok then please name India's best test 11 and we'll continue the debate from there.

  • nayonika on October 18, 2011, 14:57 GMT

    Well played India...both teams look quite different playing in the opposite country!

  • JG2704 on October 18, 2011, 14:48 GMT

    @chokkashokka - Bold comments about winning every test match in 3 days knowing that there is not a test series between the 2 teams following this OD series. England beat Australia fairly comfortably in Aus in the test series and were pretty much owned in the one day series. I'm guessing that there would have been Oz fans saying exactly the same re beating us easily in a test series after an OD mauling. Fact is that they are 2 different formats.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 18, 2011, 13:56 GMT

    Unusal game this one and the margin of victory is doesn't reflect the whole story. Eng had a couple of partnerships to put themselves in a position where it looked they were getting ready to have a go then lost wickets at crucial moments. Intially Pieterson could have got out on any number of occasions then once he got his eye in was starting to look good. I can't believe I'm saying this but credit to V Kumar for a consistently good line and length and got a couple of wickets with late movement. Eng were good to start with the ball and Finn was both frighteningly quick and unlucky and could easily have got Gambhir and Kohli early on. Once these 2 got going they looked pretty good. India have problems at the top with Partiv not yet showing the form he did in Eng whilst Rahane continues to disappoint with his lack of application. Kohli looked innocuous with the ball but was economical and would be interest to know why he didn't bowl more overs.

  • sirvivfan on October 18, 2011, 13:54 GMT

    Well done India! England can now look to recruit more South Africans in the side. Cannot handle pressure. Great sides play well every where. Remember WI they won every where, even on turners with their quickies!

    They seem to hav elost th eplot in 2 weks already. What will they do if they had 3 months to spend in India! j

  • ADB1 on October 18, 2011, 13:53 GMT

    Looks like a lot of Indian fans still aren't coping with being thrashed 4-0 in the Test series and losing the No. 1 spot. Never mind.

  • ravikumar6789 on October 18, 2011, 13:51 GMT

    After seeing the fielding quality of england team in the past 2 matches , what Mr.Nasser will say ? With what he will refer tem ?

  • john_sachin_fan on October 18, 2011, 13:47 GMT

    I agree with testcricket_class_apart .... Winning 5 odis and a t20 against England now will not wipe out the humiliating test defeats India faced in English soil... But England too is humiliated in the last two odi's... What we need is a fighting spirit between world's two greatest sides... But it is a pretty much one sided tests in England & odi's in India...

  • on October 18, 2011, 13:24 GMT

    This comments section is full of Englishmen waving-off this series as insignificant, pot of gold for some, practice for the future champions England, so on and so forth... Firstly, if it is so insignificant, why waste your valuable Greenwich time in posting comments here? I will not talk about the money factor, but practice for future champs England? In this manner? I suggest some green tops in the Himalayas where the ball would swing like a kite for your practice. Your 'champs' might get to smile a bit there instead of teaching us Indians the meaning of 'sore-losers'

  • Jack_India on October 18, 2011, 13:02 GMT

    I don't understand the logic behind giving Kohli the MoM award. No batsman in India must get a MoM award since most pitches are made slow and suitable for batting. It is the bowlers who struggled and Vinay Kumar is the rightful MoM. Besides he got Kieswetter and Trott at the beginning and we all know how dangerous they can be. Then he got Swann and Bresnan back to back and we know that they are both good batsman who could have scored a few runs and given India a tougher target to chase. Kohli scored a century at ease because the target was low and there was less pressure. Had India been chasing 300+ we would have seen some real pressure. Why are bowlers in India not appreciated and then we complain that India don't have good bowlers. We have the recognize the achievement of the bowlers if we want them to perform well. When will this mentality of ours change that bowling is labour and the king bats. It is completely different in Pakistan where a player loves to bowl and shows his skill.

  • jonesy2 on October 18, 2011, 12:51 GMT

    NRI-- none of englands bowlers are anywhere near the quality of steyn, johnson, harris, copeland, siddle, bollinger. plus swann is tremendously overrated and has yet to prove he is near the best spinner around, he is on par with a fair few

  • Htc-Baseball on October 18, 2011, 12:41 GMT

    @bobmartin, of all the comments made by fellow english men,,,,, urs is the one that stands out and reveals the true scenario.........

  • Clement-Edwin on October 18, 2011, 12:03 GMT

    Both are good teams...It is a question of mutual respect...And the conidtions & pitches do a play a vital rolet....Some matches are won & some are lost...But I do prefer the English team during the days of Botham, Gower, Gating, Allan Lamb, Bob Willis...They were a more consistent unit irrespective of the conditions...

  • Naresh28 on October 18, 2011, 11:20 GMT

    England and English fans - YOU WIN SOME AND LOSE SOME. Its part of the game. After all the achievements in ODIS, TESTS, T20, World Cup and individual records by Indian batsman/bowlers , we had comments of worse than Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. We reached the pinnacle in all three formats not so lond ago. Don't write us off. Believe me there is lots of talented cricketers in India. So both Indian/English fans its time to stop bashing each other - just enjoy the game and move on. Thus one failed series does not seal it all.

  • BMayuresh on October 18, 2011, 10:44 GMT

    English fans are crying that England have no Morgan, no Broad, no Anderson, no Borthwick, no Stokes, no Strauss, no Bell, no Davies, no Prior, no Tremlett and no Trescothick..... but do you realise that India too dosen't have SRT, Zak, Bhajji, Yuvi, Viru, Rohit Sharma, Ishant or Sreeshant. So India is not fielding its 1st choice team, specially the bowlers except for PK. No use crying, just accept the defeat.

  • bobmartin on October 18, 2011, 10:06 GMT

    So.. let's all settle down and look at what this series means realistically. India are the ODI world cup holders, and that situation won't change until the next world cup. India are 4th in the ICC ODI table and England are 5th, 15 and 20 points respectively behind Australia. So whatever the result of this series, it's hardly going to make a seismic change to the ratings. So what is at stake ? Nothing, except a pot of gold into the various boards coffers. Revenge ?... India winning the series won't change the fact that they lost in England, all it might do is numb the pain a little and prove that both teams currently perform better in home conditions. But anyone with a modicum of sense knows that already. So it all boils down to money and everyone knows that cricket in India rakes in the gold. That is the sole reason for this series.

  • on October 18, 2011, 9:58 GMT

    Its time for England to wake up from their dream and live in their reality, which is a nightmare of course :P ..... 5 - 0 thrashing is on the cards .....

  • jit_cric on October 18, 2011, 9:35 GMT

    Look at Tony William Greig comments on twitter: "Who said England can't win in India. I can remember winning a series 3/1 when Ind had the best spinners in the world and spinning pitches!" When did this happen .. Thinking .. Still thinking.. Ohh I wasn't born then, The year was 1976-77 .. stop giving these historical stats Mr.Tony Greig.. Accept the defeat.

  • nikkam on October 18, 2011, 9:31 GMT

    england have again proved to be an average ODI team which can be good in favorable conditions.....their lack of power hitters and too technically sound batsmen surely is a major drawback in the subcontinent.....anderson and broad have escaped the pasting...patel as a batsman seems to be more dependable than as a spinner...moreover the spin and pace in this indian side is not the real thing....ODI specialists such as zaheer, nehra, harbhajan, yuvaraj and yusuf have been let out...it is not farfetched to think that if they all had been playing....england would have never lasted the full quota of overs for the entire series....they thought after beating INdia last series through luck and injury...it would be a cakewalk...otherwise the exclusion of collingwood and bell and including avearge spiiner such as patel defies logic....

  • on October 18, 2011, 9:18 GMT

    4's n 6's hit in India till now by teams-India 499-4s n 91-6s..Eng 475-4s,only 56-6s..the best is of Aussies- 427-83 in 9 fewer matches..most 6's is WI-108 which again shows that why England have not won a Odi series in India for last 25 years because they do not have enough boundary hitters,the have people who play dot balls like Trott & also to some extent captain Cook who does not have enough power to clear inner circle and puts pressure on the whole team and till this is there,Bopara has failed again & again but still has been given chance- England cannot win Odis here in India or even in UAE where they are gonna tour next..the reason is also the mindset with which England play odis .. I saw Indian batsmen-they always attack every ball which puts pressure back on the bowler but England never do it..Cook played 1st 3 balls of Kumar defensively which gave him the signals that he can get him out-if cook would have done something by getting out of the crease & attack then maybe...

  • CandidIndian on October 18, 2011, 9:15 GMT

    I am upset about team India not getting the home advantage ,that is slow pitch helping the spinners,good that Dhoni mentioned it in post match presentation.I dearly hope they get pitches like the one in Hyderabad in rest of the matches.Its refreshing to see that in-spite of not having the expected slow pitch, Indian bowlers bowled accurately.This shows how poorly Bhajji Chawla and Munaf bowled in that 340 runs chase by England which ended in a tie,glad that they are not in the team now.Last two matches have the same pattern which was evident in World cup QF match against SL,so it shows clearly that England are down and India have great chances of winning the series by big margin, that is4-1 or 5-0,hence such pitches should be given that gives the home advantage .

  • on October 18, 2011, 9:07 GMT

    where is Nasir now?? what is his comment on this series about indian team

  • on October 18, 2011, 9:02 GMT

    it is unfortunate England is playing with only 11 players. Umpires and rain has been dropped .

  • sweetspot on October 18, 2011, 8:28 GMT

    @Subbass - India in other sports - Chess, world #1, Anand, Boxing - 5 times world champion, Mary Kom, Vijender Singh and company in top 3, Badminton, Saina Nehwal - in top 6 the last two years went upto #2, Tennis - world #1 team in doubles not too long ago, doing well with Paes, Bhupathi, Bopanna,

  • NRI- on October 18, 2011, 8:28 GMT

    Playing Parthiv Patel as a batsman is ABSURD when far too many players are superior batsmen - even D Karthik plus of course Pandey, Mukund, S Tiwary, M Tiwary, Kaif, Uttappa..even Jaffer is a better batsman than Patel. But England is still the best TEST cricket team in the world and by a long margin. No other nation has Swann, Anderson, Bresnan, Tremlett and Broad; most have 1 great bowler plus another good one lika SA or 2-3 decent ones like Australia. Everyone in the top 3 is equal in batting: SA, India and England. SL and Australia look slightly under these top three in batting but Australia have a much better pace attack than India but both SA and Australia lack a quality spinner. ODIs are a different form of cricket; you cant compare 5 a side indoor soccer or Futsal with real field soccer. Harbhajan and Zaheer were injured in England, HS right from the start of the series and shoudl have never played.

  • timus6778 on October 18, 2011, 8:12 GMT

    i m a big fan of kohli..but seeing the game yesterday i think that he was always in a rush to score hundred...although nothing wrong with his intentions, as it is always the case,,,make hay while the sun shines...he too was no exception...but sometimes this can go against the team strategy...does anyone agree...people are free to criticize me..please.

  • Juiceoftheapple on October 18, 2011, 8:08 GMT

    Well I like Patel a lot, I'd have him in my county all star XI, but his spin is just not troubling to the Indian batsman. It has to be the time to give our second best spinner a go - regardless of batting ability - and as Borthwick is on the tour he has to be given a go (he can also bat a bit I believe). Also, Kieswetter opening is great for T20, but when he attacks so early its a high risk game. He's a big hitter but can also accumulate, therefore he is also perfect for the No.6 spot, so Flower needs to decide who is the better power hitter / wickie - Kies or Bairstow. This free's up Bell, so we have him, Trott and Cook for the top 3 batsman, and drop this idea of attacking the opening bowlers so much. How many runs do India get early in the innings? - but they still hit big totals. The likes of Bairstow/Kies, Buttler, Broad, Bresnan need to be coming in at 40 overs not 30!, with less pressure to preserve their wickets and more freedom to play shots.

  • testcricket_class_apart on October 18, 2011, 8:05 GMT

    Im an Indian cricket fan and even if we win this series 5-0 or by any margin , it would never be enough wipe out the scars of India's test debacle in England.It was an absolute fiasco. Its always been the case we have never nurtured quality fast bowlers except for Zaheer Khan and Javagal Srinath.Indian test team is more dependent on Zaheer than Sachin Tendulkar.Lets shun the "MY TEAM BETTER THAN YOURS " comments.

  • PiyushD on October 18, 2011, 8:00 GMT

    I think war with English was over in 1947. Guys calm down, its just a game.

  • jit_cric on October 18, 2011, 7:54 GMT

    @ John Duch : Ur talking about conditions here.. It's illogical of u saying this .. the Warm indian condition dosen't shorten the 50 over game to 20 overs but yes the conditions in england do.. U have won coz the 50 over game was shorten to 20-30 overs.. Accept the defeat.. don't give excuses. Yes at the end i would like to say that england is very good test side and they can compete hard with India in ODI's too at neutral venues.

  • on October 18, 2011, 7:54 GMT

    I personally dont feel Ashes in Aus as an away series for Eng.. After playing every now and thn there in Aus, they shud b pretty comfortable there(jus like Ind played SL few years back).. Add to that, the rebuilding phase of Aus, they won it pretty easily.. And they(English fans) seriously dont seem to consider a HOME series win as a NOTEWORTHY.. For me, the real AWAY series for them is playing in spin tracks(subcontinent).. Hving said dat, for India, its pace frndly tracks as AWAY pitches.. Their recent stats since 2007(Only Test) - DREW in SA, WON in WI,NZ, And we knw abt Aus series(Sydney fame. We did pretty well there..) WON(in2007) And LOST(2011) against England(shud agree dat, Indians r not @ full strength. If they r, wud hv drew atleast 2 tests).. This is more than enuf.. Can any English Supporter gimme a fact abt their performance in Subcontinent pitches which favours their argument(AWAY wins)..

  • SamRoy on October 18, 2011, 7:48 GMT

    5wombats forgot England nearly lost the test series in SA 3-1 (Collingwood, Onions and Weather bailing them out) to a 1-1 scoreline. And that was not even 2 years ago. Now SA have a good leggie as well. And England are awesome at playing leggies (excepting Mishra and Chawla who don't have bite). More often that not last few wickets become a procession. So I guess we will see once England face SA in SA.

  • on October 18, 2011, 7:37 GMT

    @5Wombats Check your England's trash records and then speak. India-SA ODI series was a close affair. We have defeated Aus in Aus too. What has your England team achieved in sub continent or in other nations..?(Don't start about ashes, because we can put up a bigger list of achievements. ) And which fans are you talking about? We were all there to support are team when you all were gloating about our paper lions *pom pom* team this summer.

  • karl43 on October 18, 2011, 7:33 GMT

    India deserve their mini revenge following a summer of abject failure, incopetence and some bad luck with injuries although england have also had injuries to key players. This 5 match series was a dumb idea following so closely from a summer of non-stop cricket, players do suffer burn out but england's batting in the first two matches has been disappointing by their standards and I don't think england look too bothered.

  • john_sachin_fan on October 18, 2011, 7:23 GMT

    Well done India... Make it 5-0... and 1-0... Hit bresnan finn and dernbach sevearely...

  • jmcilhinney on October 18, 2011, 7:18 GMT

    I feel sorry for the Indian team. They suffered a trying tour of England and battled as hard as they could. I acknowledge and applaud those who appreciate cricket and write about it here. To those who only care about winning so that they can convince themselves that, despite never playing the game, they are better than someone else, I pity you. Every team has such fans but, to go by this site, the India cricket team has far more than their share. They deserve better.

  • on October 18, 2011, 7:00 GMT

    Great Win for India, Ajinkya Rahane should stand up now and give some account of his toughness...failing two games on a trot will again give some selector reason enough to chuck him out. Poms could do well to draft in Ian bell in their middle order in place of Bairstow... his inclusion is baffling

  • cricarnab on October 18, 2011, 6:56 GMT

    For all the English fans here- a half, even quarter strength Indian team ran you close in the ODI's in England- that after you won all the tosses, and rain helped you in all the games. A half strength Indian team has walloped you in the first two games, that after you won a toss and batted first on a good batting wicket. And this time around, you cannot even blame it on spin- the pacers took seven and one was run out. And you are still full strength. It is upto you to decide now. And come to India, prepare for a month on spin pitches before that, you guys will still be walloped. You guys just do not have the technique to succeed at this level, and those who do have- Bell for example, are left out!!

  • analyseabhishek on October 18, 2011, 6:45 GMT

    It is now England who are looking jaded and having trouble adjusting! But surely, this was not the time for a repeat series- within a month of the Indian tour of England

  • on October 18, 2011, 6:44 GMT

    hello Mr - 5wombats - thrashing by south Africa and Zimbabwe but when the only point i remember is the ruthless display of power by Ireland to ousted England for ever having a chance to win the highest silver wear in the cricket - "The Cricket World Cup". Pay some respect to Team India as they are the world Champions.

  • sixnout on October 18, 2011, 6:43 GMT

    I am afraid we are turning back into the paper tigers at home team again. After striving so hard to become a team that tried to win in all conditions in the first decade of the millenium, we are back to "superstars at home only". I am not sure we should trumpet our victory so soon. We were whitewashed in England, failing to win a single match or rather losing every match. England can still regroup and bite.

    I just have a feeling that this oneday victory will boost the ego of the team and get slaughtered again against Australia.

  • maddy20 on October 18, 2011, 6:40 GMT

    @5Wombats What thrashing in SA? We have levelled the test series in SA and lost the ODI series by a close margin of 3-2 losing the last game by a whisker. England on the otherhand have lost almost every series they have played in the subcontinent. Your No.1 status will be gone after you play next year in India. Also I was here when India was losing too. So don't you worry about that!

  • RohitGullu on October 18, 2011, 6:36 GMT

    Congrats India for well deserved victory. I truely believe India's batting dont realy fails overseas as far as ODI is considered. Its always Indian fast bowlers who let them down. Alrounders like Jadeja can be efective in India but not in Australia. Selectors should also try some fast bowling all rounder (e.g. Irfan Pathan) instead of Jadeja.

  • vamwolf on October 18, 2011, 6:30 GMT

    @5wombats

    India Lost in England coz some of the front line bowlers were absent. Anyways, cricket is no Mathematics or Physics where u get same result from same function. As a team you want to win everywhere, however sometimes u can't. India couldn't win in England this time..that doesn't mean England is the best team. Because,had it been so, they would have been winning in India as well (take the example of Australia...they win everywhere). Being an India fan, I am always with team India...doesn't matter they lose or win. And yes...the 'Backyard Theory' applies to England as well...they can't win in Indian Sub-continent.

  • indianzen on October 18, 2011, 6:26 GMT

    England have no Morgan, no Broad, no Anderson, no Borthwick, no Stokes, no Strauss, no Bell, no Davies, no Prior, no Tremlett, no vaughan and no Trescothick... it wouldn't make any difference either... England plays with all their country team in a single match, then too they cant win against an INDIAN XI in India period.

  • chapathishot on October 18, 2011, 6:17 GMT

    @5wombats: I dont know what thrashing you are talking about ,yes test series ,But in ODIs India have competed and England has hard earned the wins with some luck also.In south africa also India lost 3-2 and was a close ODI series ,Won in australia,West indies .What England have done out side england in ODIs .They have won a single game in India in last 18 odd matches .Leave winning they cant even compete in any of the matches .India lost the five match series in England 3-0 and you call it a thrashing .Now what will you call a 5-0 loss in two consecutive series

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on October 18, 2011, 6:14 GMT

    OK, So India have always been a laughing stock for their fielding, fitness and general atheticism, but they always been strong with the bat. A they showed in the WC, they can employ the good old strangle to win, and they did this very effectively today.

    England may be the better Test side, of course, and as an Indian fan correctly pointed out at the beginning of this series, there's no chance of exacting revenge for the humiliation and shame they suffered this summer, but it's good Indian fans have at least something to cheer about. Well played.

  • red000 on October 18, 2011, 6:03 GMT

    @england FANS

    Im a indian . will support india..but on a neutral and cricketing point of view...india are by far the better side in odis than england in any conditions...the 3-0 loss in england is complete lack of luck..with somany factors 1. dhoni lost all tosses... 2. every game is rain hit....and first game washedout...when india posted good total 3. duckless lewis method.....not helping india... 4. india hav to bowl with wet ball on every match..

    India hav done wat they can...posted good totals...but external factors r all aganist them...but they can hold their heads high..they played good cricket in odis.in england...they could easily won 3-2...and also with second string squad

    But in tests they hav beaten by good england side...especially ur bowling attack is good..but some poor umpiring decisions and injuries ,,didnt help india...its not a 4-0 series it could be 2-1 in favour of england.... But england hav to prove they can play in subcontinent..and away series...in tests

  • on October 18, 2011, 5:59 GMT

    @criclover112 A different way of excuse.. :P

    @all happy to see the English fans whining and forming a excuse even from no where. lol.. I am not neutral, though I want indian team to improve a lot and wish them to get their test title back. After all form is temporary class is permanent. :)

  • on October 18, 2011, 5:51 GMT

    13 Years ago during India vs Zimbabwe Sharjah cup 98 final,Tendulkar who was all at sea in previous duel with Henry Olonga,blasted the same paceman all part of the ground,than Commentator Geoff Boycott famously commented in the Tendulkars thrashing of Olonga ,"Its a Pay back time man,You made me stupid last night I will make you look silly Today",Same thing Happening here too India were made to look Club side by same English side last month in England and now the England team are set to get the reciving end today

  • maddy20 on October 18, 2011, 5:48 GMT

    @Maximum6 @Htu_81 "England are No.1 Test side now" They will not be after the tour of SAFFA and India next july. I do not see a team that cannot bat for 50 overs in India winning a test series here. India on the other hand have had just one bad tour in the last 3 years. India held the no.1 Ranking for two and half years. England will not be able to hold it for 1 year! Mark my words. India won two Worldcups one at home and one in your own Back Yard. England has none. India has won Champions Trophy away , England has none. India is also the firstcountry to win the World T20 that too in away conditions. So my friends, India is definitely a better team than England.

  • criclover112 on October 18, 2011, 5:38 GMT

    this result should not be surprising, England are and never were a good ODI team, they dont have bowlers who can bowl at death and what not. They defeated Australia convincingly in the Ashes (3-1) and lost the ODI series to the same team in the same conditions 4-1. India , on the other hand are a much better ODI team than they are a test team, especially at home. The thing is, most english supporters don't really care about ODI's , which might be the reason why England never focuses on this form of the game.

  • jantijokham on October 18, 2011, 5:31 GMT

    Mr. atherton said that 3 to 4 indian are donkey in fielding side. I seen yesterday match 2 to 3 catch dropped by england side & also they ae poor in fielding. I dont know now Mr. Atherton can give the same title to their player.

  • robheinen on October 18, 2011, 5:27 GMT

    All in all a very short lived period at the top for England. Going downhill again rapidly. I don't understand why the saffers don't use the poms for example at what choking really is!! The poms are the reference point for choking.

  • 5wombats on October 18, 2011, 5:25 GMT

    Some truly ridiculous garbage here - from a lot of people who weren't here a few weeks ago. The fair weather India fans are out in force - conveniently ignoring the severe thrashings given to them this summer, by south Africa before that and Zimbabwe before that. When are you people going to learn that unless India can win away from home, in any format, no-one is going to take them seriously. The reason why India are number 4 in Odi is because they cannot win outside India. The comments here by people who only support India when they are winning (in their own back yard) show that it is possible to be both one-eyed and two-faced at the same time. There are some true India cricket fans on here, like Dravid_gravitas, who was here throughout the English summer. The rest of you could learn something from him.

  • on October 18, 2011, 5:23 GMT

    well India congratz fr da paid win :)... As dey took the paid cup :)

  • on October 18, 2011, 5:22 GMT

    Nicely played by INDIA. Mabrook to Kohli, Gautham and Dhoni. We are the homeside and we are respecting the English team. Spirit of this game we should carry on. Good Luck INDIA as well as England.

  • cricket_lover69 on October 18, 2011, 5:14 GMT

    Game is still on!!!!!!!! It is not over yet. India won becoz england playing really bad cricket credit to indian bowlers shown good performance . I can't understand why ian Bell is not in playing 11........Hope in next odi Ian Bell play in 11.......................... ...................................................................................................... Game is on you don't believe me just wait and watch you all...............................

  • Sandt on October 18, 2011, 5:02 GMT

    Well Played India. Now after 2 matches india will choose another team or go with this side. We need to see. I would like to have a change with Parthiv going out and bring Robin Uthapa in middle order. Gambir can open and kohli can no.3 with raina/dhoni at no 4. I would really like dhoni to bat at no 4. Ang Uthapa can provide late fire works with his immense stroke play. Also bring Irfan Pathan in the side which will help us to have 2-3 all rounders.

  • NairUSA on October 18, 2011, 5:01 GMT

    Team India, go and get a series win! It is heartening to see the Indian players back in action and winning. On a side note, it was great to see Umesh Yadav bowling quite fast for an Indian bowler. Congrats to Vinay for getting 4 wickets through his wily medium pace bowling.

  • chin-music on October 18, 2011, 4:59 GMT

    Looking at all the boorish gloating by India fans in the comments pages - it's clear that the only thing more they take more gracelessly than an India defeat, is an Indian victory.

  • on October 18, 2011, 4:48 GMT

    @All English fans saying that ODIs don't matter to you.. STOP PLAYING IN WORLD CUP then and stop putting rubbish comments here. Such double standards. No big deal if you became No.1 in Test by beating a half injured Indian Team which came without much practice and form. We are at No.3 position and remember one Test series win against any team an India will be back to No.2 position. And then England are coming to India for tests in 2012. Wait and watch how we plot your downfall then. You just came on No.1 position and it won't last long.Try Winning a test against SA, Aus in their backyard then speak. For now, India are and will remain World Champions in ODIs.Period.And the sledging by England's "helpless" bowlers was fun to watch.. LOL looked like a bunch of losers being mauled all over the ground by a 22 year old Kohli ha ha!

  • ajayrcs on October 18, 2011, 4:48 GMT

    Both team now should Have realised they are Lions of their own Den thats why they are below 3 rank team. English team gain test rank 1 by luck and India won world cup by luck. And they calling themselve no 1 Hahaha.

  • AgeySuhas on October 18, 2011, 4:41 GMT

    "Excellent batting by both Delhi boyes, no doubt. But for me Vinay Kumar is the MOM, on a flat bowling pitch he bowled superbly still no rewards for him...I feel sorry for vinay....! "

  • subbass on October 18, 2011, 4:40 GMT

    I was recently watching a DVD of India's convincing series wins in Australia and SA. Also included was a section on how to play the short ball, with Suresh Raina.

    Then I woke up. :p

  • on October 18, 2011, 4:38 GMT

    I think the Bell argument is missing the point - England's ODI batting has been poor for years, and the game has changed a lot since T20 took off. They're really missing Morgan, and I've no idea why Jos Buttler (seriously, check out his List A stats!) has not been fast-tracked. The top few English counties would give the Eng side a run for their money because their tactics, coaching and captaincy are more modern.

    They also don't pick enough spinners - look at the Surrey side that one the CB40 trophy with 5 spinners!

    Patel, I don't rate at all in any aspect of the game, Bopara's temperament worries me - both he and Bell are too passive and lack focus for the short game, KP needs runs fast or should be dropped, and Kieswetter needs to up his average.

    Cook's captaincy is a work in progress, but would like to see emphasis on singles denial.

  • chokkashokka on October 18, 2011, 4:26 GMT

    only 1 article on this schooling that the English got here? rewind to a couple of months ago and we had to endure the encyclopedias that were being written about the superiority of the English team. Don't forget half of the Indian team is out of action - sehwag, sachin, rohit sharma, zaheer khan, ishant sharma and parveen kumar - and this Indian B team is schooling the English. I bet if we were to play 5 tests here now, India would win all 5 and win every one is 3 days. England is not the no. 1 team in the world and they know it. They benefited from an easy schedule and played the top teams when they were tired or had nothing left to win or were simply bored. Lets play this dubbing up a little and see some more articles. India is after all world champion side and the rightful owners of the test mace.

  • puneriMisal on October 18, 2011, 4:24 GMT

    It is sad to see that cricket does not have a dominant team like West Indies and Australia of the past. At present we can see that every team is a poor traveller.

  • on October 18, 2011, 4:23 GMT

    It is Payback time! England fails to win 10 straight one day matches in India (including the tied match in WC 11). That says a lot about the England team. Our half team made you work for your wins in truncated ODI's in England. Dhoni and his team lost gracefully. They didn't resort to sledging when things were not going their way. If you don't know how to win, at least learn to loose gracefully. The writing is on the wall.....be prepared for a 5-0 result. Cricket is a great leveller.

    @ Anderson and Broad - Aren't you glad that you didn't take the fight to India ;)

  • WC2011Champs on October 18, 2011, 4:23 GMT

    After watching these two teams play each other in England and India here is the truth: 1) England is number 1 test team for beating Australia and India comprehensively. 2) India is number 1 ODI team for winning the coveted WC and still playing at the highest level in England and now. ICC ranking and D/L methods are crap. (A WC win should catapult a team to top ranking; A WC game is NOT = a ODI game; On D/L method team batting second have almost always won the matches. So India losing ODI series in England is totally baseless. Speculatively, if Zaheer (losing Zaheer on first day was like losing footing in a tug of war game at the start) had played all four tests in England the result would have been 2-1 in favor of England because they'd really worked hard preparing for it. If the same English team (including Anderson and Broad) played India in India today for a test series India would beat England 2-1. England cannot beat India in a test series in India even with number 1 ranking.

  • Percy_Fender on October 18, 2011, 4:17 GMT

    The ease of Umesh Yadav's run up and bowling action is what strikes most. He bowls easily near the 90 mph benchmark and even more and has good control over his craft. Varun Aaron is similar. He too has a very easy run up and bowling action.Both of them do not appear to be straining too much in getting the pace they do. Add to that Vinay Kumar's maturing as a bowler after his England blues and more importantly, increasing his pace to nearly 85 mph as we saw in the first ODI and I think Zaheer's and Ishant's absence may not hurt too much for long. Praveen is very good as usual. England was like a bad dream. Dhoni lost every toss and everything with it.He lost his personalskills too.I suppose it was just the law of averages that was catching up then.With the public outcry against the selectors, I am happy that all their selections for the moment look judicious. Let us hope that this upward trend continues after all th reverses this team has had to endure from July to September 2011.

  • on October 18, 2011, 4:16 GMT

    WAH WAH KOHLI REAL STAR..INDIA S D BESTT

  • king_lion on October 18, 2011, 4:08 GMT

    @maximum6: i think u should remember that india is worldchampion. we are walking the talk because we r talking about ODIs only right now. i dont think its too difficult to understand, is it? just to add - england played 10 won 0 worldcup.

  • anver777 on October 18, 2011, 4:04 GMT

    To stay alive in the series Eng need to do something extra ordinary in the 3rd ODI... Eng's performances is not up to mark so far, they need improve in all 3 departments. Come on Eng lions make this series an interesting one !!!!!!!

  • div09 on October 18, 2011, 4:04 GMT

    jonesy2 - hahahahahahhhahahahahaahaha well said bro and subbass - India is good at hockey, tennis, archery and a bit of car racing and they at least have a top team( CRICKET ). Now I ask you what is england good at and do they have a top team........NO NO NO NO.

  • on October 18, 2011, 4:00 GMT

    @hitu_81 - Don't jump too much....show me an example when England has dominated world cricket for a single year (or even 6 months) in any form of cricket after at least 4-5 countries started playing this game....I wish we could have played some test matches this time to return u (with proper interest) what we have got this summer...I SERIOUSLY believe India has better cricketing talents than England....U guys rated Grame Hick over Sachin Tendulkar in 90's.....and similarly are rating this team as probable world champions for next 3-4 years....1st one did not happen, last one will not happen too...

  • on October 18, 2011, 3:59 GMT

    India back on track again....!!!

  • himanshu.team on October 18, 2011, 3:58 GMT

    It is a forgone conclusion that England in India are very much like India in England. particularly int his series all their bench consists of is bowlers or bowling all-rounders. And I think all fast or medium fast bowlers who do not have any potency in Indian conditions. So I do not see England bouncing back from here. There are players who are only suited for one form of cricket, test or 50-50; similarly English team also looks like suited only for the longer format of the game, unless they are playing back home, where teams from sub-continent struggle with exagerated swing and cold conditions. I still regard SA and Australia as the two best teams at present, simply becuase they do not play as poorly in hostile conditions as England or India.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on October 18, 2011, 3:38 GMT

    @maximum6. I can use the same comments for Indian matches in England. No one in your team going to save their face (Board and Anderson did it .. LOL). your arrogant team will come back to earth. ha ha ha..I can understand your feeling when ur team lose it convincingly! And remember that you got the No:1 test ranking by luck. If there is a test series after this, we could see that too! Accept the defeat gracefully...there are more to follow...

  • on October 18, 2011, 3:35 GMT

    For all those worshipers of the vaunted "English Pace ball attack" and so on and so forth, only one fact: James Anderson has the worst ever figures in ODI history in a ten over spell. And that happened in Bangalore, in WC 2011, remember. The opposition, India, ouch!!! Lets face it Engalnd in England is England and India in India is India. Albeit India gave a decent fight in the ODIs.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on October 18, 2011, 3:30 GMT

    Now, all 4-1 (for England) wishers are gone...next is 3-2 (for England) wishers... English fans were at moon after a couple of wins and they are back to the earth now... They forgot that their team 1) never won a 50 over match in England. All of them were D/L method wins. (20 overs for T20 and 23 overs for an ODI!!!) 2) India played with replacement of replacements. Only half of the team were not regular members 3) Even in this team, regular members like Sachin/Zak/Viru/Yuvi/Munaf are missing. Yes, you have Board and Anderson missing...(I suspect they guess the result early and that is the reason behind it...lol...just a joke) 3)Again India played well and there wasn't any convincing win for England. Now, India's in-experienced bowlers bowled them out twice and their so called fast cannot do even once! And your batsmen cannot bat properly in a batting pitch!

    Anyway, more to come...just wait and see...

  • on October 18, 2011, 3:26 GMT

    finn is going to take a year retirement after this tour.........he's so frustrated last night!!!

  • on October 18, 2011, 3:24 GMT

    @sportsmanspirit

    The last time England won a series in India was in the 1980's whereas the last time India won a series in England was in 2007. For the umpteenth time, India have also won a world cup and a champions trophy on foreign soil which England haven't. England are not better travelers than India. The only thing England have done that India have not is win test series in the southern hemisphere.

    @hitu_81

    The last time England toured India in 2008, they got thrashed in all the formats and didn't win a single match whereas when India toured England in 2007, India actually won the test series and lost the ODI series 2-3. If England get thrashed 0-5 here this will be the second time in a row. At the moment England is slightly ahead of India in tests, mainly because of India's injuries but I doubt England would be able to beat India in a test series played in India but in limited overs cricket India is a far superior side. Just look at how England played in the world cup.

  • subbass on October 18, 2011, 3:23 GMT

    Are India any good at any other sports please ?

    Just wondering. :p

  • fearless69 on October 18, 2011, 3:21 GMT

    Atleast india fought hard in england and they were unlucky coz of weather, but this england team is far away from winning lol.. They cant score on flat tracks?? this are the easiest pitches to score runs.. hehe.. Payback time england.. Enjoy huge defeats by india.. // VARON AARON i want him in now, hez quick and the guy has troubled gilchrist & marsh with his pace & bouncers, i dont know why he still has to wait for a game??

  • on October 18, 2011, 3:20 GMT

    And for some people saying tat england are better away side than india.. dont look at anywhere else but recent odi series in england, india atleast gave them fight and even won too if not for the duckworth lewis.. But look at England, man they were pathetic.. England wer much like nasser hussains so called donkeys on field.. and the results would not have changed if there were broad an anderson too.. Lucky for them

  • landl47 on October 18, 2011, 3:20 GMT

    Great performance by India. Their seam bowlers were lively and accurate, the fielding was very good and the batting of Gambhir and Kohli was superb. Not all bad for England; after the openers both went for 0, #s 3-7 all got more than 30, so they spent some time in the middle against the Indian attack. Unfortunately no-one pushed on to a big score, but India's spinners didn't look all that threatening. Hopefully England can begin to assert themselves and get a win or two in this series.

  • jonesy2 on October 18, 2011, 3:18 GMT

    hahaha england are just a horrible side with no depth, the bowling is below standard, how that dernbach fella got anywhere near an international side is beyond me. finn is hilariously woeful as well, and swann, isnt he sposed to be good? am yet to witness that.

  • on October 18, 2011, 3:12 GMT

    im absolutely sure india would dump england similarly in the test series as well. Is it all coming down to conditions now??

  • sabina2009 on October 18, 2011, 3:11 GMT

    India proved again and again that they can play superbly well on their own soil but in abroad they play like one of those minnows!!

  • on October 18, 2011, 3:10 GMT

    For all those mindless england supporters.. Lets see how long they'l keep there number one position. And same thrashing in test too is written for them in hands of India next year. And Indians are way better away side than England atleast. And i think the t20 crown too would be lost for sure as tat to is sri lanka..

  • Srini_Indian on October 18, 2011, 3:08 GMT

    England got the attack for all conditions? LOL.. They are sitting ducks in India. In the last 16 matches played in India, England won 1,tied 1, NR 1, lost 13. Wow, common let's play Bangladesh, they ll give us more to think about than these over-hyped, poor England. Wondering what will happen if SA stops supplying the players to England, England would be fighting in associate level. LOL

  • agam99 on October 18, 2011, 3:05 GMT

    Kohli...undoubtedly the next future superstar from Indian team.

  • padmanabhangg on October 18, 2011, 2:53 GMT

    None of the so called talking heads of cricket have commented on the new phenom Umesh Yadav, who bowls genuinely fast in a waste land that it is India with the new ball. India will be ever 2nd and 3rd rate abroad unless it has at least two of Ydav's speed in the team.

  • on October 18, 2011, 2:50 GMT

    lool, this is a meaningless series, come on guys...... India england odis in india, is indias game. Only like test matches either in india or abraod make for something to watch. Series worth the watch: Australia SA, England SA, ENGLAND Aus, Sri lanka abroad, India abraod - test matches

  • Srini_Indian on October 18, 2011, 2:48 GMT

    Where is Anderson and Broad? Hiding in England? I would have loved to see them got clobbered all over the park like in World cup. England are in for a real hammering here. After suffering a 5-0 whitewash, they gonna be thrashed by Pakistan in UAE. So much for the no.1 ranking

  • blastu on October 18, 2011, 2:40 GMT

    @ 5wombats : England are not able to play all the 50 overs which india able to do in england. england losing the away series by a huge margin(6-1 series lost to aus & now in india). egnland lost series win in india well i have not born, it will be in 1980's. india has proved many times by beating england in england.Try to play atleast 50 overs, then u can think about first place.well played england keep itup. COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

  • me54321 on October 18, 2011, 2:30 GMT

    Another disappointing match to say the least. Unfortunately not the first such match by England in the ODI format by a long way. I don't care that much about this series, but it's never nice to get walloped like this (ask the Indians). Not convinced by a few of the players, but I really doubt any changes we make will have much of an effect, unless Bell can finally transfer his awesome test match performances into the shorter version. I feel our only real hope is if Finn can get a bit of the luck he deserves and pick up 5 or 6 wickets.

  • Black_Rider on October 18, 2011, 2:20 GMT

    Give them a tough time Indians....England are very ordinary in the sub continent.They can't bat or bowl in sub continent.We are waiting England.We Sri lankans won a T20 and 2 odi's in England.But look at you guys in flat pitches..Pathetic...

  • samincolumbia on October 18, 2011, 2:19 GMT

    The saffas are not pulling their weight....for England!!

  • aracer on October 18, 2011, 2:17 GMT

    Ah well, 3-2 to England then. India can't be that lucky again.

  • Cpt.Meanster on October 18, 2011, 2:09 GMT

    @Nerk and hitu_81: England's record in India is rubbish for your information. Comparing tests to ODI cricket shows you lack analytical skills. Secondly, for God's sake, how long can you hold a candle to England's pathetic ODI record ? aren't you guys tired of such spineless excuses ? please ask the ECB to approach the ICC and withdraw from all ICC events such as the 50 over and T20 world cups. You would be doing a big favor to your neighbors Ireland and Holland who have seriously more talent than your team. Stick to your little comfort zone of Ashes cricket. As a Canadian I find test cricket boring. I think it is colonial in nature and doesn't belong to modern day life style. I do acknowledge it has some importance to England and I do think England are a classy test side. India would someday become a champion test side BUT at the moment India are very good in ODIs and T20s. Both are RECOGNIZED ICC formats so that makes India supporters proud and happy.

  • on October 18, 2011, 2:09 GMT

    Hello friends... Who all blame India... Stop your nonsense.. England's Top priority Team Played with India Team C in England and they whitewashed.. Here the same Team C going for the kill in India with that same Top priority England Team.. Dont you a shame to blame India... Watch the matches with the sportsman spirit... game is game... Who performs well will Win... If England couldnt win in the subcontinent, how u r expecting india to win in your cold, rainy... England... india is in search of young talents to replace the giants... Anything can happen in this transformation period anything can happen... WIN or LOSE... Its a game... Its another step ahead of building a strong Indian team as which one WON the WORLD CUP...

  • SanjivAwesome on October 18, 2011, 2:04 GMT

    As an India fan, I want to see England make a strong comeback in the next ODI. That will keep the series interesting.

  • jmcilhinney on October 18, 2011, 1:47 GMT

    @IndianPunjab, Yadav does look promising. If he continues to develop and Varun Aaron (whom I have never seen) can produce something similar then Indian bowling may not be in as much trouble as some predict. There's been a lot of talk about the type of bowlers that India produce and why and I think that Vinay Kumar's lack of support from many fans and his performance in this game may illustrate the point: that type of bowler does well in India but not so well outside. Bowlers like Yadav are likely the key to sustained success outside India. I'd also like to draw attention to Dhoni's form with the gloves. He batted poorly in the recent test series and kept wicket likewise. His form in both improved in the ODIs and is very good in both now. Nice stop on Yadav's wide that could easily have gone to the boundary but that looked like it hurt. If Dhoni asked for rest this series and was denied, when will he get it? Burn out or injury is a real possibility.

  • Rajesh.Kumar on October 18, 2011, 1:21 GMT

    England although a good test side, is a very poor ODI team as we are witnessing here. Only 2 matches in this ODI series have been played, and I have already lost interest in the series as an Indian fan. Although it is good to win, but such one-sided matches are a poor advertisement of the game. Actually, IPL and CLT20 are far too exciting than this. I want England to make a strong comeback in the series, but I don't see that happening now. Therefore, the only interest left which now I have in this series are of the intellectual kind: as to why Indian openers are not clicking? Although, in these two matches their failure was of no consequence, but in other matches it may become important. Why are Patel and Rahane not clicking in India, given their good performances in England?

  • on October 18, 2011, 1:15 GMT

    India Won England Lost thats the reality!!!!

  • on October 18, 2011, 1:14 GMT

    England cannot travel, just like their hosts India can't travel

  • rustyryan on October 18, 2011, 1:11 GMT

    And tats a real thrashing.

  • RohanMarkJay on October 18, 2011, 1:05 GMT

    At gerard periera who wrote: "As for the South Africans in the team. Pietersen, Trott, Dernbach, Kieswetter are all playing under a flag of convenience having been born and bred in SA, Even Strauss and Prior have dubious English credentials"

    and others questioning credentials wether players were born overseas etc. Yeah like Duleepsinjhi and Tony Greig were fantastic England players? Or Kepler Wessels was a wonderful Australian cricketer? I suppose Gerard Pereira and others would dispute the English credentials of Douglas Jardine who was born in India therefore should have represented India? Wouldn't the Bodyline series have been turned different Stop talking nonsense and stick to cricket not very they were born. Players have to qualify. They did that. So give it a rest. Really tired of this argument.

  • kristee on October 18, 2011, 1:04 GMT

    England's away performance is much better than India's in that they are better in SA and Oz than India in SL. That was about test, the real cricket. Anyway if Eng can only last significantly for 36 overs or so, whether batting or bowling, they need a thorough overhaul. Cook and Trott look test material only. Anyway rubbish like hot weather is only weather and cold weather is not suited for cricket would be exposed time and again as happened in Eng and SA, no matter some extensive home heroics may keep up thoughtless prides for quite a while.

  • coldcoffee123 on October 18, 2011, 1:01 GMT

    To all those going nuts over India's 2-0 lead : Go and watch India's test series in England. There you will come across a fellow named Raina, scoring a 13 ball duck, a 29 ball duck, a 1 and a 2. More importantly, you will find a team losing by 196 runs, 319 runs, innings+242 runs and finally, innings+8 runs. India played horrible cricket for 60+ days. Give a break to England who have played below average for 2 days. Now, how many of you SERIOUSLY think India is better than England ? What a joke.

  • Meety on October 18, 2011, 0:58 GMT

    @ OhhhhMattyMatty - LOL! Morgan, Broad, Anderson, Strauss, Bell, Tremlett I will agree, the others I won't comment on as it was lame! On the other side, India are without SRT, Sehwag, Zaheer, Yurav, H Singh, Sreesanth, Patel & Pathan. As far as ODI standings go, India are much more understrength than your mob. Nice try with Trescothik LOL!

  • gzawilliam on October 18, 2011, 0:56 GMT

    Why isnt Kohli in the Test squad? he is by far the more fluent and correct batsmen of all the fringe players.. He's a much better batsmen than Yuvraj and raina. Raina i rate but not in white colours.. Kohli needs to be in the test team now.

  • Nerk on October 18, 2011, 0:31 GMT

    @IndiaPunjab - totally agree with your assesment. The thing is, England have never really been too good at ODIs. Consider the last ashes series in England. England beat the Aussies in the tests, then were annihilated in the ODIs. Every world cup, England think they have a chance and get thrashed. @Afzal M - Maybe if India actually won test series against quality opponents, instead of just drawing them, or getting beaten, then maybe people would say they could win abroad. Most teams have bad away records, India's is rubbish.

  • on October 18, 2011, 0:30 GMT

    ONE QUESTION. If we are going to discount/disregard England's victory because of cold damp English conditions that favoured England's team can we then discount /disregard India's victory because of warm dry conditions that favour India's team? Sounds logical to me. But then again most commentators on this site don't deal with logic.

  • Nampally on October 18, 2011, 0:09 GMT

    As usual there are lot of attacks & counter attacks by both the English & the Indian Fans!.I consider the England ODI team to be still a strong one. But quite honestly there is a lack of experience in the team both in batting & bowling. Without the experience of playing in the Indian conditions, England will find it hard to beat India.Bell is one guy who should never have been dropped and is so much better bat than any other Playe,r on the Indian pitches, with the exception of Cook & KP. Finn bowled well but was unlucky. Bresnan was lucky in getting the 2 wickets of the openers. England need Anderson & Broad to reinforce the bowling + Strauss & Bell to reinforce the batting. Indian team is playing with a lot of grit & determination after the humiliation they suffered in England Test & ODI series. This is so evident from their body language. Even sledging by Bresnan, Finn, Trott & Dernbach did not have any impact on Kohli except to make him more determined. Momentum is with India Folks

  • RohanMarkJay on October 18, 2011, 0:07 GMT

    India proving they are excellent one day cricketers on home soil. I support England but well done to India. For England they have been found out in this format, also they struggle to cope with subcontinent conditions and very good bowling and batting from India, who play very good one day cricket on home soil. I think England will lose 5-0. There is no doubt they struggle in subcontinent conditions.

  • 2.14istherunrate on October 18, 2011, 0:04 GMT

    Talk about a load of old hype.!!! the comments here are about as off the wall as the rantings of the BCCI. God what overblown ego's. Sad..Ypou got well thrashed in england, sachin barely made a run, dravid and Kumar saved a bit of face and suddenly the arrogance is back from two badly timed ODI's which are too boring for words. Learn Perspective, Indian fans. Walk the walk before you talk the talk!!!!Just remember England are NO 1 Test side now!!!!

  • on October 17, 2011, 23:57 GMT

    JG2704 .Which test series and ODI games did you watch last summer. Zaheer breaking down at Lords meant India operated for almost all of the test with three bowlers. Gambhir got hit on his elbow and the batting order had to be reshuffled in the second innings. Same test second innings Tendulkar comes down with a virus. Shewag did not start the first two tests and is still not fit. Gambhir did not play the second test then hits his head on the ground, gets concussed and is half fit at the Oval misses the ODI series. Harbajan breaks down mid way through the third test. Yuvraj breaks a finger in the same test. Ishant suffers an ankle injury and misses the ODIs. Tendulkar breaks a toe misses the ODIs, Rohit Sharma breaks a finger misses the ODIs. England wont beat India in a test series played in India. Not even the great Australian side could. England getting spanked makes me feel better already.

  • the_blue_android on October 17, 2011, 23:55 GMT

    @JG2704, nevermind going back 4 months. Just go back 4 days. Your star bowlers are hiding in England and are being preserved for other easy green-top assignments. The English management knows that this series was going to be just like the ODI series in 2008( 5-0, would have been 7-0 lol) where your "world class" seamers were taken to the cleaners. This time they were smart by not sending them at all.

  • Tom-T on October 17, 2011, 23:33 GMT

    England were pretty poor, India were very good. I can't see England winning a game in this series, no matter who they select. Funny how quickly things change

  • krici_lover on October 17, 2011, 23:28 GMT

    International Cricket or for that matter life is all about consistency. English can remain happy for their life on 4-0 test victory. And no one can stop them. Should they do so lets remember 1993 3-0 cleam sweep in tests. For records, England is yet to defeat India in an untruncated ODI since July 2007. After rain interruptions and D/L matches become more of luck then skill and talent. Because conditions do not remain same. As far as test no 1 is concerned I see it slipping away very soon. But not sure if England is going to play enough away test matches partcularly in subcontinent.

  • the_blue_android on October 17, 2011, 23:22 GMT

    This is the exact reason why Anderson, Broad and Tremlett are being preserved for other easy green top matches. The Englishmen don't want these green-top bowlers to lose interest and form in cricket after a good battering.

  • on October 17, 2011, 23:22 GMT

    when will be india vs pakistan 5 match series

  • dariuscorny on October 17, 2011, 23:03 GMT

    i think Umesh Yadav was bowling way too slow while he's capable of bowling 10kmph more.i believe he is physically stronger than finn who is touching 150 k.and hv seen yadav bowling 149-150k consistently in ipl.dhoni shud ask him bowl as much fast as he can.as speed is his strength go yadav unleash your speed plz

  • playitstraight on October 17, 2011, 22:55 GMT

    Well done India! 2-0 up in the series and 1 more win will win the series. But we shouldn't be too overconfident because england can bounce back at any time. Kohli has really matured into a batsman and deserves a test series against the WI in India. Good ol' Gambhir(which means gold hence the pun old is gold) has returned to form too! Vinay Kumar has showed that even though he does not have pace, he has the technique to take wickets. Yadav has very good pace and hopefully he can keep it up but his lines and length are still wrong and must be corrected. Parthiv Patel has got too many chances now for India, it is time the selectors use their sense and give some other Indian youngster a chance. Rahane though, deserves another match because he is still learning slowly but steadily. If India can play this well without Sachin, Sehwag and Yuvraj, then I still wonder how that match in the world cup was drawn when India scored 338 runs? LOL. GO INDIA GO AND WIN THE SERIES!

  • the_blue_android on October 17, 2011, 22:42 GMT

    @Jonathan Tanner - Othan beating a struggling Australia in the overhyped nobody-cares-Ashes, England hasn't done anything significant in the test arena playing away. The way Australia were playing, even Zimbabwe would have beaten them. England is pretty mediocre in tests too, not just ODI and T20s as you claim.

  • on October 17, 2011, 22:40 GMT

    @English Fans : Who says India doesn't win Abroad????? Only the last English ODI Rain escape series??? To remind you : India won last to last series IN ENGLAND TOOO Don't forget that, India beat Aus in VB series finals, India played well in SA compare to previous performances, way better in WI, and won in NZ both the ODI and Test for the first time too. In last decade India has way better record playing abroad then what they had before 20s.. What about England??? just 4-0 won against an injury ravaged Indian side" England are a tremendous test side? "questionable, Great in home conditions, wet damp overcast condtions, green tops, swinging Duke ball? How many times did it happened before earlier? against Indians? and would happen? only ONCE? want some tissue papers to dry? Ask me.... Good Bye English Summers!

  • on October 17, 2011, 22:40 GMT

    @Jonathan Tanner: Ya poms sure were interested in Englund...and then whay the heckare you reading this and posting? True fans are all always interested in good games, but I just love saying thing...England has been THRASHED, show us some guts!

  • RakeshGPradhan on October 17, 2011, 22:37 GMT

    Jade Dernbach said prior to the game that getting Dhoni out would be the key to the match... I hope england reassess this logic in that to get Dhoni out they have to get him in first, something they never looked like doing today. Its a different game from playing in freezing a Cardiff, Hampshire,Durham etc to that of an a Delhi or Hyderabad and with Mohali, Mumbai and Kolkata to come, it will get more uncomfortable for the tourists particularly if Sehwag and or Tendulkar come back into the frame.

  • on October 17, 2011, 22:30 GMT

    great job team india!!! You will be the best

  • IndiaPunjab on October 17, 2011, 22:30 GMT

    BOTH india and england fans need to read this. At the end off the day, England ARE better than India in tests. As proven by their no1 ranking. However with Zaheer Khan, who i feel in tests is even more important than sachin, the difference is only marginal. I was born in england and live in england so hopefully they will hold on too no1 ranking for a while. And even more importantly hopefully they will beat pakistan haha. Again However India ARE definitely the better team in ODIS. As proven in world cup, being world champions. And to a tiny extent what is happening now in India along with the rankings. Will be curious to hear england fans thoughts on our new quickie Yadav by the way....?

  • jmcilhinney on October 17, 2011, 22:27 GMT

    It will be interesting to see the makeup of the England side for the next game. I'd like to see Bell in the side because I think he can be effective batting up the order but whose place would he take? Trott, Pietersen, Bopara and Bairstow all showed enough in this game to keep their place and Cook played well in the last game. If anyone was to go it would be Kieswetter, but I'm sure England would be loathe to break up what was a relatively successful opening pair in England. Kieswetter also did fairly well in the CLT20 and dropping him would also mean handing the gloves to Bairstow. I'd also like to see Borthwick in the side for some bowling variation but you'd then lose Patel's batting, which was good in this game. Maybe bring in Woakes for Dernbach and Borthwick for Patel.

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 22:26 GMT

    @5Wombats - I like your poetic response to my post. I don't like to think that England aren't bothered with this series because every ODI series or even match is important if we want to get to the top in that format. I also like to think that Flower will not let any of his teams go through the motions although they looked extremely lethargic in the field.I think you're right (from prev comms) that these fairweather postees seem to be breeding on these boards.How many will there be if they win 5-0 ? I'm going to try not to get involved with the debates with obsessives making the same nonsensical comments but it is kind of addictive. But it is like speaking to spoilt children at times. Keep up the good posts

  • Cpt.Meanster on October 17, 2011, 22:25 GMT

    @Jonathan Tanner: I hope you don't say that to the face of Andy Flower and Cook. That would exactly show them poor fellows what many English fans REALLY think about all the talk of becoming a champion limited overs team. If you people really don't like ODIs and T20s then why not approach the ICC and get yourself checkout out from all the events ? that would be a good thing for many associate countries who are desperate to play in SHOWPIECE events like the world cup. You people can have your "traditional" Ashes cricket with all the old world mentality. Speaking of test match cricket, England won't even compete with India IN India. They could draw games at best. Continue with such attitude and continue to get beaten in the "interesting" formats of ODIs and T20s.

  • on October 17, 2011, 22:24 GMT

    India played the test Series in England with less than half its regular team, so it is unfair to judge them only for that series that is also away from home, HOWEVER I I do agree that Indian seriously lacks quality pace that is so necessary to counter opponents on foreign soil. Unless we have pace bolwers consistently clocking 140-145 kmph range regularly we are nowhere, except unless under seaming conditions where a bowler like Praveen Kumar can function more fruitfully. Finally, India's tradigtional strength in Test Matches and ODI on the aspect of bowling has been SPIN, and sadly we are below par in terms of our predesessor greats. Players with potential should be given a long run like the batsmen (i.e. Rahul Sharma, Ashwin and likes) and we must make it imperative that we STOP selecting players based on REPUTATION. I sincerely like the comment of Christo Abraham, it makes a lot of sense. Hope our planners take a leaf out of that note. Best of luck to Team india. Ray-Dubai

  • indiaworldchamps2011 on October 17, 2011, 22:23 GMT

    @ oh matty matty... u have so convincingly said that india have only won 2 out of last 8 ODIs... even england have won 3 its not as if england have won 6 out of 8... and trescothck, strauss??? LOL what were u thinking... as for the selection of next 3 odis i was really hoping to see robin uthappa instead of parthiv patel.. but he was selected for T20 none the less... hope he makes a come bak in ODI team as well..

  • masteraneesh on October 17, 2011, 22:18 GMT

    @OhhhhMattyMatty Trescothick? What are you talking about! Borthwick, Davies and Stokes are not even a minor part of England. England have themselves to blame about Bell.India are missing Tendulkar, Rohit & Ishant Sharma, Zaheer, Sehwag, Nehra, Yuvraj. Compare

  • jmcilhinney on October 17, 2011, 22:17 GMT

    Another good win by India. They bowled and fielded very well. Funny that their only blemish in the field that I can remember was Kohli doing a Pietersen. As an England fan, I can take enough positives from this game to be optimistic. Other then the opening pair all the batsmen contributed. After losing 2 so early they were always behind the 8 ball but everyone played relatively sensibly after that. Losing wickets in pairs didn't help either. If Cook had played as he did last game then they could have been competitive but at least he went down swinging. If the openers had provided even an average start they could have been competitive. If even one batsmen had gone on with it they could have been competitive. If Bairstow had got hold of that last shot just a little better they could have been competitive. Alas it wasn't to be. The bowlers looked a chance early but once the shine went off the ball and Gambhir and Kohli got set, they just didn't have enough runs to apply pressure.

  • bookie7600 on October 17, 2011, 22:16 GMT

    FOR ONCE we should all congratulate BCCI for this schedule, for it has given us the opportunity of having the LAST LAUGH !! Take that ENG. For all those English fans saying there was no Anderson/Broad, we all know how well Anderson bowled in India during WorldCup,poor fellow was dying to get back to Eng. and Broad is just another ordinary bowler in the sub-continent who got hit for 6 SIXES, damn! I think even if I bowled, the max I would get hit is 4 - 5 ..LOL

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 22:10 GMT

    @Aditya Darbar - Never mind going back 4 years , Anderson and Broad demolished India in the last 4 months so yeah I guess they must have been petrified.

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 22:07 GMT

    @Gerard Pereira - an injury ravaged India - in the test series, Zaheer Khan was the only guy out for the whole series and I reckon they had no more than 2 players out in most tests. Zaheer Khan was I believe wicketless in the warm up match in Taunton. Just face it India are currently as bad a test cricket in England as England are at ODI's in India. Just admit the truth man , you'll feel a whole lot better for it

  • KarlCorrea on October 17, 2011, 21:52 GMT

    "WORLD CHAMPIONS ON HOME SOIL" In a way its sad that the spoils of war were not shared evenly between U Yadav and V Kumar; since now Vinay Kumar will be persisted with even though two of his wickets were that of the tail enders. I have been waiting to watch poor Aaron get a chance to play instead of warming the benches. He and Yadav will be a great combination. Another issue that seems to go unnoticed: The use of Yadav. I would love to see him be given the new ball and check out his resolute,control and pace.Calling him to bowl with a 15 over old ball during a power play is like setting the cat amongst the pigeons. Praveen Kumar has taken his place in the team for granted as well. A little pressure on him make force him to fine tune his skills or maybe you never know "get fit"? Don't get me wrong; I am a fan of India but at the moment they only seem to be "WORLD CHAMPIONS ON HOME SOIL" DHONI:"The pitch was a bit too placid, I'd prefer a bit more spin

  • on October 17, 2011, 21:52 GMT

    @Nitesh Varma so Vinay Kumar took 4 wickets...sowhat. It doesn't mean much. Just because a bowler maybe ranked number one in the world it does not mean a thing. You have to take into consideration their form, the opposition, the pitch and a number of other factors. Indian fans are NOT very knowledgeable about the game and I think 20/20 cricket is to blame for this. We are seeing more and more of these young fans who don't understand the game at all and seem to put a lot of emphasis on rankings.

  • Harmony111 on October 17, 2011, 21:50 GMT

    @bigdhonifan:-

    Or may be by an innings margin, in an ODI !!!

    If the ICC follows Sachin's formula for ODIs then that innings margin victory will happen one day.

  • on October 17, 2011, 21:46 GMT

    @William Owen : Is only batting on green tops called batting? Is batting on a crumbling ,spinning, vicious track not called batting? How on this earth do all English think only playing swinging ball well is definition of batting? There are equally difficult conditions elsewhere where the ball bounces more and also turns viciously. The kind of tracks depend on geography of the venue being played. That being said, we do not disagree that England were a really better team in their 4-0 win but having a psyche which says batting only on green tops is batting and spinning pitches only mean pitches not well prepared is ridiculous....!!!!

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 21:42 GMT

    @Mrjay79 and @Ashok Shettigar - As it happens Tres was one player - Ohmatty mentioned - who on talent and form would have been a regular in the one day side and quite probably would still be in the test side too. Unfortunately he was ill with depression - something I believe he still has demons from - and was mentally unable to travel with England. This is why he wasn't with Somerset for the CLT20 comp which was a great shame.He finished as the highest domestic run scorer last season despite missing the last 2 or 3 games and was players cricketer of the year - I believe the 2nd time he won it since he stopped playing for England. As a Somerset fan I'm not too unhappy about him not playing for England as it means he plays more games for Somerset - esp in these days of central contracts .. But MT is up there with KP and EM in terms of a dangerous batsman and is playing as well as he ever has

  • maddy20 on October 17, 2011, 21:39 GMT

    Well played India. I would still pick Pathan ahead of P Patel in ODIs. Decent batsman and extra spinning option. Patel ji on the other hand, can't bat, can't bowl, can't field. As for England I cannot help but wonder why no Bell? I also wonder whom they are gonna drop to get Bell in coz they sure cannot drop Bairstow and Patel for they are the reason England atleast managed to post a respectable total.

  • on October 17, 2011, 21:37 GMT

    INDIA WILL WIN 5-0

  • Kula_Bowls_Inswing on October 17, 2011, 21:30 GMT

    An ODI series win can't reverse a 4-0 Test whitewash, but credit to India, they're an excellent 50-over team, I'm a big fan of some of their players. I hope the players & fans win with grace if they win the series, which they should, just as I would expect England to lose with grace. We mustn't lose sight of that, it is what separates cricket from football.

  • on October 17, 2011, 21:23 GMT

    As much as I am a fan of India winning these matches ...I would like to see solid performances outside India as well, something they are slowly improving on but its slow. They need to do it before next world cup. Its a mental strength over matter issue and India need to overcome. As far as bowlers are concerned find some bowlers who can bowl fast, swing so on and needles to say Bat as well. All the short ball trouble its simple, practice practice ...and practice ....practice makes it perfect.....India got massive wealth why don't they make pitches that can imitate the perfect results of other pitches around the world study them and train the indians for all conditions...... If India can do that then India can give itself a chance to become like the Aussies and WI

  • on October 17, 2011, 21:22 GMT

    This series means little to most english fans...we are simply not that interested in Odi's and 20/20's...India can be champions in those formats for all they want its not proper cricket, test matches are still the true test of any cricketers qualities and India were found severely lacking this summer. The next test series we play in India and also our summer series v South Africa will be the real test, this series is just really a rebuilding and training exercise for us to give our kids some experience of the subcontinent.

  • sachin_vvsfan on October 17, 2011, 21:21 GMT

    @OhhhhMattyMatty no Trescothick... LMAO . BTW ENG too have won only 3 out of their last 8 odi outings. Anyways the series is not over yet. Lets c how ENG fares. Goodluck

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 21:18 GMT

    @Sada Duraivelu - A good balanced post until you say about English started talking about the best team around at the moment in all formats of the game. I disagree that the English as a whole have not equated a home series OD win vs India as meaning anything more than a step in the right direction , even if it is a big one. Can't talk for the gutter tabloids but I'd say anyone with an ounce of common sense/cricket knowledge knows this , even if we are surprised and disappointed at how uncompetitive we have been in the 1st 2 one dayers. I also know that the test ranking will be hard to dold on to. One difference between the test side and the one day side is that we pretty much know (barring injuries) our best 11 wheras in ODI's I feel we may be as far away as we've ever been. I know Flower said that he wanted England to achieve no. 1 status in all forms but he would be the 1st to admit how faraway we are in the one day game

  • CricketDiwana on October 17, 2011, 21:17 GMT

    I agree to Prash Ganen. England's win in England against India had few favours for England. 1. Home Grounds 2. All pitches were favouring fast bowlers, 3. India had new medium pace bowlers, 3. most tosses were won by England, 4. India's Injuries . I recall the series in New Zealand in 2003 when all the tests were finished on 3rd day with both the teams playing twice. Same team almost whitewashed india in ODI's after the test series. Dada was the captain of Team India, he mentioned the green pitches in one of the prize ceremonies in front of NZ crowd. After the series came the worldCup where India reached final but NZ failed to even go beyond quarter final. Same thing happened in England this year.

  • BharathRatna on October 17, 2011, 21:05 GMT

    Those who talk cheap about vinay kumar,he gave the answer through his bowling.

  • bigdhonifan on October 17, 2011, 21:01 GMT

    A series win against struggling Aussies in Australia and a series win against devastated Indains on English home conditions wont make England a great. They are good! Not great! Even India went on beat Aussies when they are on prime form!!! Get the full English Line up in Eden Garden, Chennai or Banglore!!! I bet England will loose 100%.... England is just good!

  • Harmony111 on October 17, 2011, 21:00 GMT

    @JG2704 :

    That Swann had an off day is not saying the complete truth. Swann was never really a threat to begin with. It was only the pompous Eng fans and ex-Eng players who were imagining that Swann would do something special in India. And if you want to bring in last matches figures then Jadeja had 3 wickets as compared to 0 of Swann.

    Agreed that one bad match means nothing but while Swann is a pretty good spinner (I really like him myself), he is no where close to be called the best. I see the same claim being made for Anderson who is merely a green top bowler. Ask him to bowl on a slightly flatter track and he will appear mediocre.

    I fail to understand why are the Indian batsman and Indian bowlers called good at home only. I hope one sees the contradiction there. And when the visiting teams fail in India they blame it on the heat of India and on the unsporting wickets. This is what one would call double standards.

  • on October 17, 2011, 20:54 GMT

    Stuart Broad and Jimmy Anderson didn't come because simply they were SCARED by Indian batsmen. Anderson and Broad both were hammered by Dhoni & Co. in 2007 and it would have been the same result. I feel sorry for Bresnan, Patel and Finn.England will face some serious difficulties against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Believe me or not but they are going to loose against BANGLADESH in BANGLADESH.

  • on October 17, 2011, 20:53 GMT

    @ OhhhhMattyMatty Ohh ya...England is without Ian Botham, Graham Gooch, Alec Stewart, Flintoff...if they were there England might have won this match...so sad... :(

  • hellraiser.. on October 17, 2011, 20:51 GMT

    England seems to be very lucky lol as they don't have test series in india :P

  • on October 17, 2011, 20:42 GMT

    William Owen. Look at England's overseas record 2009 lost 1-0 to the West Indies, 2010 Drew 1-1 with SA having been twice saved by a last wicket partnership and some bad weather, Lost 1-0 to India. Almost lost the first test against the Australians having been saved by Panaser and Anderson. They beat Australia in an away series but Australia are in the process of rebuilding. Granted they beat India at home but this had more to do with facing a injury ravaged and demoralized Indian side on especially prepared green tops and using a Duke ball that nobody mentions. It is doubtful if the current England side will be able to beat India, SA or Australia away in a test and will struggle to beat Pakistan in the Middle East where the ball does not swing. As for the South Africans in the team. Pietersen, Trott, Dernbach, Kieswetter are all playing under a flag of convenience having been born and bred in SA, Even Strauss and Prior have dubious English credentials

  • Vilander on October 17, 2011, 20:42 GMT

    Happy india is winning ODI against Eng for a change, but having said that, They beat us 4-0, 4-0 !! in tests. Bragging rights firmly with them till we beat them 5-0 in tests. They are the better team.

  • vaibhavgera on October 17, 2011, 20:40 GMT

    Eng fans have to accept that they their team was outperformed by India in the last 2 games. I agree that England is a good test team and have beaten India in their home conditions but I m sure they wont be able to do that on Indian pitches. Reaching no. 1 spot is easy but staying there is difficult.. lets see how long England can do that. Also, England is a very average ODI side with very few one day specialists like Gambhir, Sehwag, Kohli, Rohit, Raina, Yuvraj etc. Cook, Trott, Bell play very slow and when they try to pump up the RR they get out.. ya, they might succeed occasionally but that doesnt make u a champion team. Bottom line...India may not be the best team in the world in both formats but they are the current ODI world champions and have the caliber (and they can) to beat the best teams in the world in any conditions.

  • on October 17, 2011, 20:39 GMT

    Come on, England are not always helped by 'umpires, rain gods etc'. You do not clean sweep a 4 match test series, and win convincingly an ODI/t20 series on luck alone. ALL teams have their share of good and bad luck, England is no different. We earned those wins ;) And sure, our ODI side may not be as good as our test side, and it is still developing, particuarly in sub continental conditions. But its still a good side. England have a long way to go before the WI/Aus comparissons are apt, but they are on the right track. In my opinion, India are not. Their batting is decent (on flat tracks - still questionable on green swinging wickets), but their bowling needs serious attention - they lack a decent quick, which makes winning away from home very difficult.

  • Vilander on October 17, 2011, 20:38 GMT

    @William Owen, i was with you till you said England is a team of English players. Then who are KP,Trott,Strauss,Morgan...

  • Parthi_nava on October 17, 2011, 20:31 GMT

    All the best team INDIA......... We want 5-0 crushing win......

  • rapidstar on October 17, 2011, 20:31 GMT

    Nice to see a royal trashing of England by India!!! Payback is painful isn't it? I can't wait for sewag, zaheer, youvaj & tendulkar to join the party to break more records!!!! Well done team India.. Keep it going ... show your character by winning for their trash talk on the field!

  • on October 17, 2011, 20:31 GMT

    5-0 would be brilliant to lay the foundation of revenge that can b completed in next years test series

  • 5wombats on October 17, 2011, 20:26 GMT

    @JG2704; in a sea full of garbage I see your bright English light floating.... I'm not sure - but I don't think England are taking this seriously. india were completely hapless in the Tests in England (there came a point where I almost felt sorry for them at the Oval, then I got a grip) - india didn't look too bothered about Test cricket or losing at it. Badly. Now here, England just don't look bothered about this series. It's not that india are any better, we saw a few weeks ago that they palpably are not. They are no good away from home - some of their honest followers acknowledge this. We have recently won an ODI series in SA (something india didn't manage) beat SL in SL in 2007 as well - so we have proved that we can win away from home, sometimes. The problem seems to be in india. I don't think it's the pitches. I think it's the hero worship - I think india raise their game at home in order to get the media coverage and boost their IPL contracts. Could explain a lot. Keep floating!

  • bigdhonifan on October 17, 2011, 20:19 GMT

    What happen if Sachin and Sehwag replaces The opening slots! and Zak replaces one the pacers??? England will loose by 250 runs or 10 wickets!!

  • CricketDiwana on October 17, 2011, 20:12 GMT

    This is all about India's young players waiting to be future fabulous four type. I won't even talk about england team. I am thinking about new stars in next three wins. Way to go Team India. All the best.

  • on October 17, 2011, 20:11 GMT

    Being English myself I can say that when I watched England V India IN England I felt that India were not playing to their best; they had a number of injuried to key players. England on the other hand were playing in their own back yard and had no major injury concerns. I believed also that England's wins against India in England were a bit over hyped. People will state that England beat Australia easily last year and yes they did! i remember the series! i watched it! but I also felt that the Aussies were a totally discombobulated unit and England took advantage of it. They've been lucky but luck runs out sooner or later. In my opinion the best team in the world is SA.

  • dinuhebbar on October 17, 2011, 20:10 GMT

    On a batting paradise, a fast bowler grabs an opportunity and returns a figure of 4 for 30 but all awards goes to batsman (who is expected to deliver on batting pitch). Without taking any credit from Kohli's innings, i strongly believe that Vinay Kumar's spell deserved one of the award.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on October 17, 2011, 20:02 GMT

    Sounds like good bowling to me: India have been somewhat of a laughing stock in the last few months, and whilst their reputation as a side with no fast bowlers, and no fitness, athleicism and terrible fieldsmen is deserved, in the short game they can, as they showed in the world cup, have the ability to strangle an innings and win it with the bat. Well played.

  • hhillbumper on October 17, 2011, 20:02 GMT

    its only one day cricket which I think you might find England have been congeniatly useless at for the past twenty years. But does anyone think it matters compared with world no1. Also I don't remember ECB,Flower or Strauss saying they were the greatest ever.

  • on October 17, 2011, 19:59 GMT

    England are no1 in test and India are World champions in ODIs. If we take a look at past 10 years there I think have been 3 each home and away Ind Eng test series for both and Ind won more series than england. One test series win over India in their own backyard does not prove anything.

  • SM14 on October 17, 2011, 19:58 GMT

    Fantastic Kohli: Another Tendulkar in the making! I can sense it coming in the years to follow.

  • 5wombats on October 17, 2011, 19:58 GMT

    One for you here @Gupta.Ankur; In England india were so so poor............that it appeared as if bangladesh were playing instead of them........ Can you do anything other than troll @Gupta.Ankur? Probably not.

  • DrAtharAbbas on October 17, 2011, 19:57 GMT

    HOME ADVANTAGE= VICTORY there is a traditional story of a cat and a crane bird who invite each other to soup party. The cat serves the soup in a flat bowl and crane cannot drink any thing. The bird in turn invites the cat and serves the soup in a long neck (fixed to the ground) bottle where the cat cannot drink anything and he takes all.

    Cricket seems to be exactly like that, India cannot win a thing in England and England are facing the same thing in India. Do these games mean anything more than the cat-crane soup parties. meaningless competitions to anyone sensible. Poor Pakistan are ranked low cause they cannot play at home. Anyone playing more at home will be ranked higher and fans would call them GREAT.

  • on October 17, 2011, 19:50 GMT

    @ Timothy: Wake up. Last odi series, we won against Aus both home and away in 2010 and 2008. We won 3 match series 1-0 in 2010 and also beat No 1 Aus team i WC 2011 QF.

  • on October 17, 2011, 19:44 GMT

    England are still a good team. They proved it during the English summer. Though things has been blown out by : 1. Talks about England's aura of invincibility - comparisons with WIs of 70/80s and Aus of 90/00s. I even read a telegraph column which brushed a win in Indian subcontient as "not required" for being number 1. Yes, both the teams struggled too but they did conquer India to get their "aura of invincibility". 2. English team's behavior. Their consistent arguement on being right everytime they appeal. The rules were followed when sleepy Bell was called back after umpire's decision but not followed when a nick, which even the keeper failed to hear, was not referred to the 3rd umpire. Heck, going far as to check the bats and media complaining about vaseline. Same thing was on display in today's match after Gambhir's supposed dismissal. Not sure if that is a behaviour expected out of a decent team.

  • on October 17, 2011, 19:41 GMT

    India wins in India, England wins in England. Is that a competetion?

  • msanirudh on October 17, 2011, 19:40 GMT

    This is a reply to William Owen.Dude stop dreaming.England are an average ODI team.They have an above average Test Team that rocks on home pitches.I hope you realise that great teams are dominant any where everywhere and in all conditions.I support India and ACCEPT we are NOTworld beaters or a dominant side but we beat every team fair and sqaure unlike teams that are ALWAYS helped by umpires,rain gods or watever..If you do not know Yuvraj,Sehwag,Zaheer and above all Sachin are not playing.If you are talking about Indian Future team buddy show me a better COMBINATION of young batsmen who can outperform Rohit,Virat,Raina in full flow.Stop dreaming..develop a method to accept defeats that hit you in your face.God Bless

  • yorkslanka on October 17, 2011, 19:36 GMT

    @5 wombats- an honest appraisal of England as usual from you.. good on ya.. the thing that made me laugh was that England's bowlers trying to "flex" on Kohli..did they not see the scoreboard?? as paul alott said during the commentary, its fine if you are on top, but when you are getting carted all around the park, just keep quiet and bowl the ball...well done India on another convincing win and come on England, make this series more interesting and start winning...

  • on October 17, 2011, 19:27 GMT

    William Owen - England are fantastic test side, I agree.. England deserve their no.1 test rankings - no questions or arguments.

    Also again Aus/WI kind of domination will come playing over a period of time and back-it-up with the result. Claiming no.1 test spot is one, retaining is another which India learnt the hard way. GL.

    But ODI side is no way near to comparison of any of Aus/WI side whatsoever. After England won the ODI series in England, English started talking about the best team around at the moment in all formats of the game. I must disagree - they need to be true to themselves and start building a team for the next world cup.

  • on October 17, 2011, 19:25 GMT

    LOL, what i don't get is .. why must these comments section become a forum for one-up man ship. Life is much simpler if you own up to your team's failures much like their success. ENG has a very balanced test side at the moment. IND were undercooked in their series to ENG, gave priorities to IPL, hardly had any rest after the world cup.. quite simply, they were second best and they got owned. In ODIs, however, ENG is hardly a force. They won in familiar home conditions - but couple of matches could have gone either way, and one was a tie. IND are the world champions, and in home - pretty formidable. Their record in IND in last 6 years stands at 13-1 and a tie. So get real. And regarding the B-team, injuries and all else - rankings won't tell if you won with Tendulkar opening or lost with Rahane opening, doesn't matter. If your team has injuries, you better have match-fit bench strength. The bigger truth is, since AUS disintegrated there's no unanimous world's best team. Period.

  • on October 17, 2011, 19:19 GMT

    Well Well Well.. We should welcome England Test Team to play test series against India in India .. I am sure India will beat them 10-0 without Zaheer, Bhajji, Sachin, Dravid & Sehvag. I dont believe in home conditions & away conditions.. We won our 1st worldcup in England and Nd we won the 2nd world in India. England's Ex Captains are still thinking abt what to tweet.. Go India Go.. dont smash them with clean sweep.. just show them Reverse Sweep ;)

  • on October 17, 2011, 19:19 GMT

    well said Afzal M Faridi!! I thought I needed to start with no Kapil Dev ...after looking at ohhhMattyMatty's list :D :D. When was the last time Trescothick played any international match?

    I thought Vinay Kumar should have been given the MOM for a change as it was the bowlers who set up the match for India.

  • Nasimuddin on October 17, 2011, 19:17 GMT

    Manoj Tiwary should be given a chance in the place of Parthiv Patel in the next game.

  • binojpeter on October 17, 2011, 19:15 GMT

    Oh Nasser, after seeing today's match, I think you should say now that English players fielded like donkeys.

  • on October 17, 2011, 19:09 GMT

    India should hav gone for other openers lyk Mukund wid a left hand and right hand bat combination... Still I think openers must do their job well bowlers r already pacing against English team ..... Feilding was good today I appreciate Raina the most.... England are now under extreme pressure lets c what happens NeXt !! Till then GG !!!

  • ATIMAYANK on October 17, 2011, 19:06 GMT

    @ Dravid_Gravitas without a doubt man that Bell is England's best. He can surely put up some fight and help the team rise. But I still don't see your team winning more than one match. India will open with probably Sachin and Gauti in the next match and pathiv and Rahane wil make way for Yuvraj. Rest of the side goes unchanged.

  • on October 17, 2011, 19:05 GMT

    Payback is a 'pitch' ! Haven't you heard that one before :)

  • Big_Chikka on October 17, 2011, 19:01 GMT

    welcome to india!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • anksoct on October 17, 2011, 19:01 GMT

    whether we win or lose, i want andrew miller to write the match reports.he's passed the baton to his colleagues & gone in hiding himself knowing whats on the cards now.. he probably squirms at the the thought of facing the current situation after all he said & wrote in england in the recent series..where r u , andrew ? promise your readers that u'll write every match report irrespective of the result..like u did in england..

  • sweetspot on October 17, 2011, 19:00 GMT

    If India had batted first, 238/2 with 13 overs to go - 350+ on the cards. Another defeat by 120+runs? 8 wickets is a lot more decent to get trashed by. But where are the flies that 5wombats said India intimidates England with? And what about that proposition of India fielding first in the heat and the flies? Happened today and India fielded great, and held all their catches. Heck, maybe they had flies in their palms and the flies snapped up all the balls? And maybe they even sat on the balls Indians bowled and guided them to the stumps and the catchers? Forget about the trolls, even those who don't want to gloat are getting bored already. Come on England, show some spine! Alastair Cook is a shaky captain if he knows he needs wickets and is throwing the ball to KP, Samit and Bopara when Finn, Bresnan and Dernbach still have plenty of overs to go!

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:56 GMT

    Gerard Pereira...England may not yet be up to the standards of the great West Indian/Australian sides of the 80's and 90's, but to call them average is ridiculous. How can you say that England are 'paper tigers' abroad when they thrashed Aus in the Ashes, and havn't lost an away series in a good number of years? I hardly think India have any right to boast or criticise England on the back of two odi matches - clean sweep the series in a convincing fashion, and then maybe we can talk about who is the better side...Also, to say that England has only been sucsessfull on the back of 'South African grit' is ridiculous. England is a team of English players.

  • MrTom10 on October 17, 2011, 18:56 GMT

    Some people posting on here clearly have no idea about the England team but there you go.

    To those claiming this is the India B team beating the England A team it isn't because quite frankly England are short there 2 best ODI players in Broad and Morgan; going on past results as well there's no point claiming this is your B team because unlike in the WC they've managed to beat England while in the WC the tie was secured due to the poor form of our lower middle order in Colly and Prior.

    Also this is the Indian teams future and I'm going to say one thing it won't be 2 WC's in a row given what sort of pitches they'll be playing on in the next 'un.

    As a final point drop Patel he's useless in the field and his bowling isn't any better than Yardy's was give Borthwick a chance at least he's primarily a bowler and will bring more variation to the attack.

    Still can't help but feel a bit disappointed with the result though even if its just one of those pointless series...

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:53 GMT

    Time- the great leveler :) .... We were humiliated enough in England..Now people ..sit back and enjoy the sweet revenge... Well played India...

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 18:48 GMT

    @5wombats - Maybe try Bell , but I wouldn't say he's as glaringly obvious miss as people - including the pundits on Sky make out. I posted some stats which others can check by googling and Bell's strike rate is under 75 and I think his average was just below 35. He has only scored one 100 in over 100 inns. Re Borthwick , definitely should give him a go. The frustrating thing was how many of our players got out in their 20s,30s,40s. listened to most of it on radio when I was out and Bopara and KP were in and sounded like they were playing well. I went for a swim for 40 mins and got back and both were out. Then JB and SP seemed to be taking us to a score of 270+ and then they get out. Our bowling in the middle/latter overs was made to look lethargic. Kohli is a class OD batsman and on his day can do this to anyone. Thought Cook's captaincy in the field seemed uninspiring , he seemed content to let India work the ball around. We were as bad in the 2 ODI's as India were in tests in England

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:48 GMT

    SUPER PERFORMANCE BY OUR TEAM GOOD VINAY AND JADEJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  • Mrjay79 on October 17, 2011, 18:47 GMT

    @OhhhhMattyMatty: Trescothick?? why dont u add W G Grace on your list dude??

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:45 GMT

    GP Swann 8 0 52 0 6.50 is the world rank #1 BOWLER OF england R Vinay Kumar 9 1 30 4 3.33 IS more than #100 RANK IN ODI

  • Rakim on October 17, 2011, 18:42 GMT

    This time India won comprehensively. Really nice bowling from Vinay and exemplary batting from Virat. KP is just chirping, he should talk with his bat not tweet on twitter

  • KTiwari on October 17, 2011, 18:42 GMT

    Nothing less than 5-0 will erase the pain of summer. Come on team India.

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:42 GMT

    After falling prey to Indian spinners it was pretty amusing to see the English side surrendering to the so called 'NOT SO FAST' Indian bowlers, and once again, English bowlers failed miserably. With their present form they're destined for a whitewash.

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:38 GMT

    This is what makes difference when playing too many games continuously with a team having character..winning matters, but winning comprehensively matters more and real my dear English fans...dont hide yourself under rain..

  • IndiaPunjab on October 17, 2011, 18:34 GMT

    .Englands LAST 15 ODIS IN INDIA, drawn 1, won 1, LOST 13. After 1 good summer england talked about becoming an australia or west indies. Them 2 dominated all forms of the game, not lose by 10 wickets in wc quarter final and have records such as 5th in odi rankings and won 1 in last 15 in india!!

    wheres> 'ohh matty matty' < now LOL. The players he mentions arent in the team because they aint good enough! try 'onions trescothichic bothwick' to 'TENDULKAR YUVRAJ SEHWAG AND ZAHEER KHAN'! try winning a series in india. When was the last time 'ohhh matty' ?? Were you born last time they did? When was last time england won a test series in india, and then when you answer that answer same question about odis!

    The list you bought up with the likes of bell and bortwick onions( all 3 arent good enough to get in the team or they would be) is embarassing compared to our list! Win a series in india then come back!

  • reformatsky on October 17, 2011, 18:33 GMT

    Oh, and this game? I just wish we could've showed some progress compared to Friday's match. Instead we got shown up again. 3 games left to shake things up a bit, I don't see them putting out the same XI again - time for Bell & Borthwick perhaps, and being the biased Somerset supporter I am, always want to see Buttler walking out to cause some damage.

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 18:32 GMT

    @ Cpt.Meanster - So we basically just judge England by the way THEY play abroad and just in India and just in the ODI format and we discount the last India tour of England because all the tests were close run things and of course it doesn't work that way does it? There's a saying that "You're only as good as your last result" so in that case England are a joke in ODI's and India are a joke in the test arena - arewe agreed?

  • nitiinjain on October 17, 2011, 18:31 GMT

    There was so much trash talk by England bowlers and Dhoni was quick to point that out in his post match comment, "Well of course the series in England wasn't a good one for us, but the team showed their character not to lose their temper and still be sociable on the field - Dhoni"

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:28 GMT

    With no test series to back it up, this series is like having an entree, then being told the chef has died and mains are off...No chance for real revenge for India, and no chance for England to make a genuine case for world dominance in that format. A shame really.

  • reformatsky on October 17, 2011, 18:28 GMT

    "After the summer people were comparing this England side to the Great West Indies and Australian sides from the past." No, they weren't. No-one ever suggested that England were as good as that. But when a new side reaches #1 spot, people are obviously going to ask whether they can keep it up, and there's no better benchmark than the standards set by WI/Aus teams of the past.

  • Full-Blooded-Wallop on October 17, 2011, 18:27 GMT

    So once again we are not having full 100 overs of match :( firstly the rain truncated ones in English summer and now here again! This is not completely done team India and England, can't both of you play out 50 overs? ;)

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:26 GMT

    to all the indian fans getting carried away you need to put this in perspective. england are a bad one day side. they're 5th on the ladder. what happened after they won the ashes in the odis?? they lost. last world cup against ireland? they lost. in general for the last 20 years?? they lose. beating them at home in india isn't exactly the pinnacle. kohli looks great and you've got injuries but you need to measure yourselves against (still) the number one team aussies. last series india played against aussies at home. you lost. you won the world cup but the follow up challenge is coming up soon...aussies away...that's a real challenge

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:26 GMT

    congratz team india. all those english fans who r using bell's exclusion as an excuse for today's loss must remember that india is without 7 of thier regular players. imagine englands fate if all them were playing. and we indians, should not be satisfied with these 2 victories. a clean sweep will do a world of good for this team.hope india learn from their mistakes during eng tour and prepare well for the australian tour

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 18:24 GMT

    @IndiaPunjab- And what did Rahane exactly do today to prove the doubters wrong ? I , like many saw the ODI series in England as a bonus but did not read anything more into it than signs of optimism. I have also watched Indian batsman and they are extremely talented , but the one day game and the test game are 2 different games. Guys like Reina and Kohli have always looked decent in the one day game but there is certainly room for improvement for Reina in the test arena judging by the England tour. Let's see how they progress.

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:22 GMT

    @ Gupta.Ankur - now we know how u guys felt ALL summer! India, despite home advantage, not to mention their favourite format, are an extremely poor test unit...Say what you like, but that is the truest test of cricketing skill and temperament...Oh yeah, and fitness ;).

  • cool2cool on October 17, 2011, 18:21 GMT

    Just FYI, India and England have swapped their positions in ICC ODI team Ratings. India @ 4 with 115 rating points.

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:20 GMT

    Welcome back Champions, welcome back home, tigers on green tracks are at best vegeterians who only taste good in certain conditions. At least the Indians gave a proper fight even while losing. And MSD's words at the presentation must be recorded in CD a gifted to Alastair Cook, lest they forget that cricket is a 'gentlemen's' game. But i am still waiting for Varun Aaron to be unleashed. He and Yadav would be chicken tikka masala on the Mohali track which assists the speedsters. But the best part of the day are the comments by some British 'gentlemen'. Lack of their 'stars' is somebody talking about? Deja vu eh my british friends...?

  • wagon_wheel on October 17, 2011, 18:19 GMT

    @ Gupta.Ankur I second you my friend, Indeed England today reminded me of their performance in the 90's and noughties

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:19 GMT

    Both matches got over before i come back to home from office..

  • Athrylith on October 17, 2011, 18:18 GMT

    No matter how much people try to make up of other teams. The fact remains that only Australia and South Africa are competitive outside of their own backyard consistently. This England team was being publicized as the next big thing and here it is again, the same old good at home syndrome. Australia are already improving and South Africa will improve under Kirsten although that is a bit early to say. India, I am not sure about. They have a lot to prove if they want to go horn for horn with clinical teams like Australia and South Africa. The next few years seem interesting for the top 4 test teams.

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:17 GMT

    I see a BrownWash in the NOT too distant future. England should send for some replacements. These are very poor preformances by a team who was on top of the world not too long ago. From one extreme to another. By the end of this series, half of England's "rebuild ODI squad" will be banished!!!

  • sabharaj on October 17, 2011, 18:14 GMT

    Even a 5-0 white wash win for India is not going to make the Indian fans happy.Tough to get out of the 4-0 loss in tests.But any way win is win in any format .lets england go back with empty hands.

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:13 GMT

    @ Nilesh - Thanks for asking us to check out Mayank's reply to hris. Until I read that reply, I was thinking hris was right. What's wrong with being strong in the home land and not being too strong outside? Every team does that (excepting the minnows of course). Well, only one thing I don't agree with Mayank is - Australia beat India in ODIs comprehensively in Inda itself many a times. And of course, that saying, Australians were the most dominating presence in the world cricket when they did that.

  • Harmony111 on October 17, 2011, 18:13 GMT

    This time Eng batted first and still couldn't last 50 overs. Let's see what excuse the Eng fans have this time. Their power hitter couldn't clear the straight boundary on this small ground and he was being hailed as the future Eng batsman. They were 0-2, I was laughing out so loud at that time. India may or may not be flat track bullies but the Eng team is not even that. They are flat track pussies. And is Swann really the best spinner in the world? The so called best spinner in the world and the next best one since a certain blonde, he can't do anything on these so called spinner friendly conditions. What is he good for? India finished the match in the same time as the last time. The victory margin is really huge both the times. India lost 3-0 in Eng but all the matched were close and India were a lot more competitive. And this actually is India - C vs England. I can't imagine the margin of victory had it been full strength Indian team. Maybe an innings victory in an ODI !! Who knows?

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 18:13 GMT

    @OhhhhMattyMatty - re listing our absentees - don't stoop to their level. Most of those guys weren't picked and wouldn't necessarily do any better , with the obvious exception of the injured Morgan and possibly the injured Broad and the retired Tres. Just face it mate , we were as bad in the last 2 ODI's as India were in the last test series.

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:11 GMT

    I wonder where are the comments where some ppl keep saying about virat kohli.Guys he only had one bad series that too the test series in west indies.He played well in the ODIs where i suppose he won two MOMs and one hundred in england as well.I guess some ppl in here i keep pointing out who love saying about kohlis brash attitude and like to say how arrogant he is.If someone has talent why not flaunt it.You cant expect everyone to be gentlemanly.I feel its good cricket needs charcters and kohli is one off them

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:10 GMT

    guys here i c no one is crediting vinay kumar for the win..yes kohli is MoM but vinay kumar got Kieswetter and trott out with very gud outswingers n ven he took wickets of swann n bresnan in the same over england seemed to be cruising to round 270 had swann n bresnan played full 50 overs...vinay was the architect in restricting england below 240..this is so double standard..earlier we blamed jaddu for losses..we have nw vinay as the scapegoat..we always need some reasons as excuses..dint we??

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:08 GMT

    Dravid_Gravitas , "England are a tremendous test side? "questionable, Great in home conditions, wet damp overcast condtions, green tops, swinging Duke balls playing an injury ravaged Indian side. Lets see how good they are next year against the South Africans who will have Morkel and Styne. England are going to struggle to beat Pakistan and SL away from home were the ball does not swing, Lets wait and watch.

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:08 GMT

    Well done India...but lets not go overboard as there are still chinks in our armour...Vinay...with due respect to todays performance...is NOT an international class bowler...his performance was a clear case of flash in the pan...having said that...id be only happy to eat my words if Vinay proves me wrong on a consistent basis...and the openers need to buck up big time as well...

  • JG2704 on October 17, 2011, 18:08 GMT

    @Harmony111 - Re Swann - he had an off day today but - correct me if I'm wrong - his figures in the 1st ODI were pretty good. That's like saying if Kallis or Tendulkar ever get out for a duck or a low score they are suddenly bad batsmen. By that logic the whole of the India touring team (with the exception of Dravid and possibly Dhoni) are bad batsmen.

  • brittop on October 17, 2011, 18:06 GMT

    Being world champions at ODI cricket (or T20I for that matter) is like being world champions at rugby 7s or world champions at 5-a-side football.

  • 200ondebut on October 17, 2011, 18:05 GMT

    Lets get back to proper cricket - tests on seaming wickets. That will sort the men from the boys!

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:05 GMT

    PCA Mohali's Track will be the last option for the English to win a single match in this series.

    And the Indian team should be retained for the next three matches.

  • cool2cool on October 17, 2011, 18:02 GMT

    @BravoBravo: You said "No wonder, IND remains at the bottom of pool (WIN TO LOSS Ratio) in every format of CRICKET among the top teams ." I didn't know that. Please share the source for this information. I want to check how other teams have performed on this aspect.

  • on October 17, 2011, 18:02 GMT

    How the hell can you get into the chat section while the game is going on? Can somebody help me out? Please. Great game India and I want to discuss it with the Cricinfo commentating giants. I mean it. Great game India, once again. I just want to see how it turns out when England get back Ian Bell into their side. What the hell were they thinking leaving him out? Beats me out completely as much as it does with India leaving out Varun Aaron. Strange absolutely.

  • puneet_usa on October 17, 2011, 18:01 GMT

    How many times we have to prove that "This English side" is nothing but a fluke- Who performs every now and then- Believe it or not- Looking at the performance of still an under par Indian team- I expect a very stiff battle with Aussiee during their upcoming tour down under- As for English Fans- Please pray for rain, Hail and dust storms over next few games to avoid the biggest whitewash in a 5 game series ever- Weather Gods don't look too pleased with you guys this time around- What goes around comes around- India is on its way to regain No.1 Spot soon..!!!!!

  • wagon_wheel on October 17, 2011, 18:00 GMT

    A supporter asks an ODI mirror Mirror mirror on the wall, which is the best team of them all? Well it is...the mirror thinks for a long time and says Stop asking such pretentious questions because we all know it is India

  • devalyagnik2003 on October 17, 2011, 17:59 GMT

    lol... stop calling India is strong at home every time they win a match or series at home!! if that is the case you can say the same for English team who lost previous series 5-0 and this seems like at least 3-2 or 4-1 ATLEAST. Anyways India won last to last series IN ENGLAND TOOOOOO Don't forget that, India beat Aus in VB series finals, India played well in SA compare to previous performances, way better in WI, and won in NZ both the ODI and Test for the first time too. In last decade India has way better record playing abroad then what they had before 20s.. So just after one series (ofcourse it was way toooo worst and we must agreed for that) don't come to conclusion, and yes English side is still strong on paper at least so looking forward to better fight in coming games.. they have all rounders, fast bowlers, spinners (world no 1 ;)) and in form batsman (before this series) so hopefully they will put up a fight at least

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:56 GMT

    @ Dravid_Gravitas, really? are you serious? because Bell wasn't picked in the playing 11, so you lost? think 100 times more... We too didn't had Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Rohit, Yosuf, Zaheer and etc, getting me now? Your team is the same, the one which won against us couple of months back, remember? in Lucky Rain escape series, remember? Can you remind me of a Series in which England beaten us in our home??? We have beaten you in 2002 The Natwest series, remember? lol :D Good Bye English Summer!!!

  • Gupta.Ankur on October 17, 2011, 17:55 GMT

    England were so so poor............that it appeared as if bangladesh were playing instead of them........

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:54 GMT

    check out Mayank Pahuja's ans to hris..........

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:53 GMT

    After the summer people were comparing this England side to the Great West Indies and Australian sides from the past. Granted England beat an Australian side in the process of rebuilding and an injury ravaged Indian team on green tops using a Duke ball that is potent in English conditions. But to compare Daddy's boy Broad, Anderson, Finn, Bresnan to the likes of Holding, Marshall, Croft and Roberts is disillusional /Wishful thinking /living in cloud cuckoo land or all of the above. Only a fool would mention Swan in the same breath as Warne. England is an average side packed with some South African grit who are good in home conditions. In the long run they are destined to win a few matches and loose a few matches they will never dominate world cricket like the West Indies or Australian teams of the past. Judging by Petersens body language Swan's autobiography has done little to enhance dressing room harmony. Lions at home paper tigers abroad the same accusation leveled at India

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:52 GMT

    And yeah.. THIS TRACK WAS FLAT. Indian fast bowlers took 7 wickets. LOL. So much so for England's third class bowling and fielding. And yeah.. It takes much more to take wickets of world class batsmen like Gautam Gambhir and Virat Kohli. We played so well. And yeah.. ONCE AGAIN, GAME FINISHED OFF IN 36 OVERS! :D

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:48 GMT

    @OhhhhMattyMatty : We too mate : No Sachin, No Saurav, No Sehwag, No Rohit, No Yuvraj, No Ishant, No Zaheer, No Harbhajan, No Kumble, No Dravid, No Laxman, No Yousuf, No Munaf, No others... England has the same team which won in home against us in friendly seaming pitches and lucky Rain escape series, few months back, remember? :D

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:48 GMT

    @Jimmy777

    u described it perfectly

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:46 GMT

    england were nt up 4 the fight i am nt an indian fan but they played like champions don't know either india should have done better in england or maybe england should be doing better in india now england are a much better team

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:46 GMT

    Guys plz check out OhhhhMattyMatty's comment and tell him no's list from our side.... and also rather considering last 8 matches why dont you try take look at last 20 or 30 games...

  • Nampally on October 17, 2011, 17:46 GMT

    Another emphatic victory for India in<40 overs - just like the ODI #1 after losing the Toss.India outplayed England in all departments of the game. India should get 3 points for both these victories in the ICC ODI table.While Raina & Dhoni Cloberred the England bowlers in the first ODI, it was Gambhir & Kohli's turn this time.The oft quoted phrase "India cannot bat against England pace" was again put to rest even when Finn was bowling at 150 KPH. Dernbach was hit for 3 fours in first 4 balls. Even Swann was unable to break thru'. On the other hand the so called Indian "gentle medium pacers" accounted for 7 wkts. between them. It appeared England faltered against Seamers this time as opposed to spinners in ODI #1. Neither D/L rule nor weather could rescue England!. The ODI World Cup winners stamped their authority in bowling, batting & fielding.While back to back victories were great, can India go to 3-0 sweep in the next ODI?.Openers may be Mukund & Dhawan/utappa in the next 3 ODI's

  • Pritt32 on October 17, 2011, 17:44 GMT

    India's comprehensively beat England in Delhi. It was a very good and polished performance by the home nation. Bowling is showing signs of improvements, as India restricted England below the par 237. England could not get going when they loss early wickets. India bowled and field superbly and thoroughly deserve their win today. India is a formidable team on home soil. England looked ragged and is struggling to adapt to sub-continent conditions, as it was uncharacteristic performance from a team who demoralised India in the last two months. Full credit to India for fighting back and showing England they mean business. This is the Indian team I enjoy watching. Keep it up.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:44 GMT

    now where is mr.nasser hussain..

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:44 GMT

    And yeah.. THIS TRACK WAS FLAT. Indian fast bowlers took 7 wickets. LOL. So much so for England's third class bowling and fielding. And yeah.. It takes much more to take wickets of world class batsmen like Gautam Gambhir and Virat Kohli. We played so well. And yeah.. ONCE AGAIN, GAME FINISHED OFF IN 36 OVERS! :D

  • ruchir3 on October 17, 2011, 17:41 GMT

    What happened to the spirit of cricket? When Dhoni was "forced" to bring Bell back it was in the name of cricket. But today the english team in the field were sore losers, sledging and crying for losing. Typical.

  • BravoBravo on October 17, 2011, 17:40 GMT

    It appals me how IND team spokes person and Fans blame their own bowlers whether IND wins on homeground or looses on foreign grounds. This is an insult to all bowlers who are associated with IND. No wonder, IND remains at the bottom of pool (WIN TO LOSS Ratio) in every format of CRICKET among the top teams . I still have hopes for this ENG teams. Congratulations to IND youngsters to put up a marvellous show.

  • Cpt.Meanster on October 17, 2011, 17:40 GMT

    I don't wish to be harsh on England and their supporters but I always knew they had NOTHING in them to win in India. So technically we can't blame them for losing the first 2 games in a 5 match series. This result was expected and India are almost unbeatable at home. What India needs to work on is build a team that could replicate such performances overseas. The West Indians show up following this series and that too should be India's for the taking. The big picture is Australia. I hope England now realize that home is always SWEET home.

  • CandidIndian on October 17, 2011, 17:39 GMT

    Its good that India is back on winning ways that too so convincingly after being outplayed in England,but is that something new?, we all know that India are extremely strong at home, even the stats of last 3-4 years suggest that.What i am happy about is at-least new and fresh players are getting chances instead of selectors picking up players out of nowhere who are in oblivion,like it happened in case of Chawlas and RPs.When i saw the pitch report , it looked like a flat pitch which wont help spinners much , still Yadav , PK and Vinay did well are extremely good signs.I wont celebrate now as England tour showed that India needs lots of preparations and planning if they want to win outside India, we cannot brag about triseries win in Aus every-time .Its important that Dhoni and Fletcher backs right players which can do well not only in this series but also the tour of Aus.Anyways congrats Indian team , great job.Cricinfo kindly publish.

  • thebrownie on October 17, 2011, 17:39 GMT

    Those calling the Indian team tigers at home, all games in England (the ODIs) were extremely close and could have gone either way.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:39 GMT

    @Ramkumar Ramchandaran Lacklustre bowling? Dude, At the end of 2nd over, England's score card read 0-2.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 17, 2011, 17:39 GMT

    Dear Indian Fans, don't write-off this English side. They have themselves to blame by not picking Ian Bell. Honestly, I can't believe that a player like Cook can be the Captain but a class act like Bell can't even have a place in the final eleven. That's unacceptable and rubbish. Once he is in, the middle-order with Trott, Bell and KP is going to be a totally different outfit. These 3 are awesome for all kinds of tracks - be it the one paced grazing fields of England or the unpredictable challenging tracks of India. So, let's not get too cocky here.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:38 GMT

    Now every english fan is making excuse of exclusion of Bell.Bell is not a good oneday player at all.Playing at 2 down or 3 down and averaging odd 34 for a complete team like england is not great.i acceept he is a very good test player.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:38 GMT

    well done Indian team ! Eng - bring back Bell. It's time to drop KP

  • Bhupi111 on October 17, 2011, 17:38 GMT

    Good performance showing kholi,gambhir always.i think very difficult to comeback Pathan brother in india team,every player is showing good performance.not space for irfan and yusuf, i was very disappoint irfan performance in challenger series, no pace,no line lenth,not swinging ball.i dnt knw what the wrong going on irfan patha,hope he show good performance Ranji trophy.yusuf battting is also poor.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:37 GMT

    @Sayak Bhattacharya - Classic comment Sayak. If you wrote that in the chat section, I'm sure Liam or Sid would surely publish that in the commentary. Classic.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:35 GMT

    @swwastik123 - One of the best comments I've read so far. You are definitely supporting team India over England because you are Indian fan, but apart from that there's no unreasonable prejudice in your comment. India are a very very tough team to beat in the Subcontinent. Only teams that can play spin very well do have a fair chance to beat India. England and New Zealand and some minnows are no where near. Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Australia can play spin very well. And talking about South Africa, it doesn't matter if they play spin very well or not. They are always a very tough team to bit. England are no where near that mark.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:35 GMT

    @ hris.. then which side you support.. lets see if they have done anything different in the recent past. Australians? they got clean swept in India.. so they are as good abroad as any other side. Sri Lankans? they are nothing overseas hemselves. and dint do too well at home too ;) South Africans? hah cho/jokers. ans if you support any other side then LOl at you again xD

  • The_bowlers_Holding on October 17, 2011, 17:34 GMT

    Well we have been well and truly battered no excuses both games have been very one sided. England very good test side but poor ODI side, we haven't had a good 50 overs side for as long as I can remember and to be honest I was shocked we beat India in the 50 over form. I am a traditionalist and give a choice, personally I would take being a good test side. Saying that well played India.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:33 GMT

    England= Green track bullies

  • Cpt.Meanster on October 17, 2011, 17:33 GMT

    Extremely PLEASED at this performance by young team India. England had no clue yet again. It doesn't matter who they bring in now. The series is very much in India's bag. What cricket fans in general need to understand is that a team HAS to be judged by their performances abroad. India before the recent trip to England have had a decent record in the UK. They won tests, ODI games and even beat Nasser Hussain's side in 2002 to win the Natwest series. England on the other hand have an abysmal record in India. There is nothing they can boast about when it comes to ODIs. They were almost whitewashed last time. Now a similar pattern is emerging. Both teams are young so inexperience is NOT an excuse. It's simply BETTER skills required to succeed in subcontinental conditions. Team India have it better than England in this series. To win the series England has to win the next 3 and that's highly unlikely.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:33 GMT

    Regarding Test matches ,How I wonder we get rematches in England itself with full team !! we always played with 10 Members ( sometimes 9) !!!!!

  • 2.14istherunrate on October 17, 2011, 17:32 GMT

    Did anyone really need this series apart from the moneymen? Seriously this lot of games has all the appeal of a cup of tea made last week. Yawn!!!!

  • IndiaPunjab on October 17, 2011, 17:32 GMT

    Too the england fan who said other day; indias batsman like rahane and kohli have reached their limit and wont get any bettor unlike bairstrow. LOOL !!!! Kohli just hit yet another 100 despite his young age! Kohli is an outstanding talent as proven AGAIN. Amount of 100s he has already in ODI cricket puts most englands batsman to shame considering amount of games and their age. I live in egland and was born here and thus support england 2nd and i dont like how some of the stuff both sets of fans come up with. Englands last 15 odis in india, drawn 1, won 1, lost 13. After 1 good summer england talked about becoming an australia or west indies. Them 2 dominated all forms of the game, not lose by 10 wickets in wc quarter final and have records such as 5th in odi rankings and won 1 in last 15 in india. However, i hope bairstrow gets all 5 games in india. Looks a good prospect. And bortwhick will probably play after cook only bowled patel 2 overs. Yadav looks very un-indian 92mph!!

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:29 GMT

    @Indian brothers : What's ur take on on-field behavior of English Cricketers today?

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:28 GMT

    "English aura of invincibility" ..... Joke of decade ... I mean this Joke will last till 2020...

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:28 GMT

    No sachin , shewag , Yuvraj , Harbajan , Zaheer , Munaf , Nehara , Rohit Sharma , Ishant Sharma .... This has been the state for inda Since england odis in england ... Still India performing better. Yes results didnt go indias way in ODI's in england , Two matches where courtesy Duckworths and lewis and it went very close... I had seen some english supporters arguing about toss in this series , Infact in England where the ball was wet and raining India lost all the toss !!! Like Dhoni said "if seaming tracks are sportive in england , spinning tracks are sporting in India !!! We batted awesomly well in ODI's in England and lost cause of wet ball and you cant consistantly beat a India B team ( batting ) C team ( bowling )

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 17, 2011, 17:28 GMT

    @5wombats, cheers mate ;). Hey listen, no one will want to take it away from England that they are a tremendous test side. But they are a decent ODI side and are worse still, are getting their act wrong. Thanks for mentioning Bell for once. I can't understand you guys. Why don't you call out louder for him to be included in the team. He is a complete player, probably slightly better than the tremendous Trott. He, Trott and KP have to be the saviours of the English middle order. Trust me. As much as I love this banter between us fans, I want to see the three of them giving back India some sleepless nights.

  • Harmony111 on October 17, 2011, 17:27 GMT

    Eng can't bat 50 overs on these wickets. On the same wickets, India have scored at more than 6 an over. And the Eng fans were claiming that the Eng team has bowlers for all the conditions and were saying that they have a better spinner in Swann to exploit even rank turners. So where is all that hoopla now? Swann looks like a chicken at the moment and believe me, India have not even started to target him.

    I just can't wait to hear what the over-zealous and blind Eng fans will come up with this time and for the remaining 3 times. Last I had heard a claim of 3-2 Eng. ROTFL. India are 10-0 against Eng at the moment.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:26 GMT

    where is Nasseer Hussain,and what happened to his donkeys

  • OhhhhMattyMatty on October 17, 2011, 17:26 GMT

    India have only won 2 of their last 8 ODIs against England. Embarrassing. Especially as England have no Morgan, no Broad, no Anderson, no Borthwick, no Stokes, no Strauss, no Bell, no Davies, no Prior, no Tremlett and no Trescothick.

  • harikrish24 on October 17, 2011, 17:25 GMT

    well done India.. and england can never be No1 they are just being over rated...test match series now.. and they will loose ....

  • jimmy777 on October 17, 2011, 17:25 GMT

    INDIA PLAYED AGAINST TWO OPPOSITIONS AT THE SAME TIME IN ENGLAND IN THE RECENT ODI'S, ONE IS ENGLAND AND THE OTHER IS RAIN, EASILY A 3-2 SERIES WIN FOR INDIA, BUT BAD LUCK STOPPED IT, ORDINARY ENGLAND! THIS IS HOW TO CHASE A SCORE IN CRICKET NOT LIKE YOU DID IN ENGLAND WITH THE HELP OF RAIN AND D/L METHOD, LOL!

  • drjaygoyal on October 17, 2011, 17:25 GMT

    .test series India was pathetic...but Atleast India showed some fight in England during the ODI's.

    England looks clueless...and helpless....really bad to watch...

    come on England atleast give us some fight....

  • SnowSnake on October 17, 2011, 17:25 GMT

    Congratulations, India. I was impressed by Finn's bowling. Other than that, England did not do anything spectacular. Indian fast bowling was pretty impressive. I think India will regain its #1 ranking in tests. It is just a matter of time. Most likely India will be #2 after the SA-Aussie series is over.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:24 GMT

    the Indians fielded really well. Raina, Kohli, and Jadeja made there presence felt.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 17, 2011, 17:23 GMT

    @swwastik123, in fact Venkatesh Prasad was of the opinion that this pitch is similar to an English pitch. He put that question to Colly. Colly had no answer ;). Anyways, it is onething to play on the one paced grazing fields of England and a totally different thing to play on the challenging pitches of India, Srilanka, Bangladesh and Pakistan. But still, let's not read toomuch into this mauling of the English at the hands of India. They are a very good test side and only a decent ODI side. Time for Bell to take control of the middle-order. Otherwise, this series is going to be pretty boring. Yawn! Can't wait for this below par English team to take a flight back before we all are bored to death. They just don't seem to have the stomach to even put up a fight. Barring Trott, Bell and KP, they all are just one paced track bullies. The less said about the 'world class pace bowling' of England the better. I'm disappointed that Swann is not coming good. I'm sure he'll bounce back strongly.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:23 GMT

    Super batting by Gambhir and Kohli. They are just superb out there. England are finding the Indian pitches too hostile and alien for their liking. Happy that india is winning in their home grounds. As expected of course, but still, terrific game by the Indians. Really liked Dhoni wittily pointing out England's frustration on the field. Well, can somebody tell me how to get into the chat section when the match is going on? Please.

  • Harmony111 on October 17, 2011, 17:21 GMT

    Eng can't bat 50 overs on these wickets. On the same wickets, India have scored at more than 6 an over. And the Eng fans were claiming that the Eng team has bowlers for all the conditions and were saying that they have a better spinner in Swann to exploit even rank turners. So where is all that hoopla now? Swann looks like a chicken at the moment and believe me, India have not even started to target him.

    I just can't wait to hear what the over-zealous and blind Eng fans will come up with this time and for the remaining 3 times. Last I had heard a claim of 3-2 Eng. ROTFL. India are 10-0 against Eng at the moment.

  • Sach_z_God on October 17, 2011, 17:21 GMT

    he he he... ENGLAND- THE WORLD BEATERS (lol).... take a bow.... GOOD JOB TEAM INDIA...

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:19 GMT

    I wonder how many donkeys on the field can Nasser Hussain spot now. LOL!

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:18 GMT

    great job india!kohli proved once again along with gambhir to be the matchwinner he promised to be. but the bowling was a greater revelation;where the englishmen couldnt swing it,they did,with telling effect. yes 5-0 is what i want. spent too many days in depression;please light up my diwali india!

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:17 GMT

    Yaay!! :D champions are back !! 5-0 on the cards :D

  • profrm on October 17, 2011, 17:16 GMT

    On today's showing would Nasser Hossain categorise some of the English fielders as belonging to the asinine genus (pls note unlike Nasser I didn't use the d-word!)

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:15 GMT

    We are the World Cup Champions! Mind It :)

  • nitiinjain on October 17, 2011, 17:15 GMT

    This is the same Indian team that was beaten by England, and there was a barrage of english supporters claiming its the best ODI team with best fast bowlers and No.1 spinner, 1 wicket for 87 runs in 18 overs, is that the stats for the world's best spinner on spin friendly indian tracks? This is practically India's B team, as many as six of the world cup team players are not playing atm, and yet they are thrashing england in a big way. Its 2-0 gonna end with 5-0, what say?

  • dane400 on October 17, 2011, 17:15 GMT

    After two crushing defeats, can England really say they're still number one? Apart from Steve Finn bowling, this match was so one sided. I really don't think England are gonna win any of these games.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:13 GMT

    Great game. Interesting to see England getting bowled out by the lack lustre Indian bowling. There is a message in there somewhere!

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:12 GMT

    Nothing less than a 5-0 drubbing will lessen the pain sufferred in England this summer.

  • hris on October 17, 2011, 17:11 GMT

    haha. i can only laugh at BOTH these teams. Tigers at home, lambs abroad.

  • palla.avinash on October 17, 2011, 17:11 GMT

    well vinay kumar proved and will be proving he is far better bowler and player than people rate him,rahane and yadav will show it soon as they get more chance good fortune for india.go for kill 5-0 and get the rank better and nearer to no 1 spot in odis.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:09 GMT

    England fielded like donkeys ;P

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:09 GMT

    HATS OFF to team India... Chake de INDIA...

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:09 GMT

    if india r flat track bullies then eng aare flat track DUDs ;)

  • 5wombats on October 17, 2011, 17:08 GMT

    OMG that was abysmal from England. No excusing it. Pathetic. Am happy to discuss this with other England fans, but I'd say we have to look at why Bell isn't in the side - also, these pitches would suit Borthwick, surely? One thing that is a nailed on certainty; the trolls will be out in force later....

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:08 GMT

    Well Done India.. Keep it up.....

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:07 GMT

    Oops.. Where r the flies, 40 degree sun and trac which gets slow in second innings??? Cant play well on flat tracks uh... Come on frnds.. This s the norms of Poms in India.. One unfortunate series winn against a team with multiple isssues wont make u sudden odi stalwarts.. Better stick with tests in home alone buddies.. Cheers...

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:06 GMT

    Well this time England batted first, the turf was quite sporting. Would love to here some novel excuses from English fans, perhaps they were missing W.G. Grace!!!

  • usernames on October 17, 2011, 17:06 GMT

    Excellent match from India's perspective. Other than the initial wobble, everything was perfect. I loved the fact that England had the advantage when they won the toss and had to decide what they wanted to do. Last match's report had a comment from someone that the match was handed to India on a silver platter and that India didn't deserve the win.

    Well, there you go, whoever said that. India needs to continue the momentum and as Dhoni says, keep doing the right things. It's a game and hence you'll win some and lose some. England tour was a bad one, yes, but the ODI difference isn't really *that* big.

    I can also, sort of, understand why the hype was built around the "English aura of invincibility" after just one series. The English have seen their team win a few after maybe a couple of decades. So, of course, it's natural to go a little over the top if your team wins a few after a long, long time!

    Oh, and this wicket wasn't exactly a square turner. Just sayin'.

  • rahulcricket007 on October 17, 2011, 17:05 GMT

    LIKE INDIA WAS UNABLE TO MAKE 300 RUNS DURING TEST SERIES IN ENGLAND , ENGLAND IS UNABLE TO PLAY 50 FULL OVERS IN INDIA .

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:04 GMT

    England wont win 1 game poor England

  • agam99 on October 17, 2011, 17:03 GMT

    Another thumping for England from hands of India. Saw Barmy Army leaving stadium much before the game was close to finish..being present i stadium myself. Cmmon India....5-0 from here ;)

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:03 GMT

    Now now! Whitewash is on cards! :D India outplayed England.. Yet again! I'm so happy! Gambhir and Virat were a class act! So was Vinay Kumar and the Indian fielding was so good! :)

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:02 GMT

    I thought England's fielding & catching was also a big let-down...Had they taken some of those sharp chances offered by Gautam & Virat earlier on, things would have been different...probably !

  • on October 17, 2011, 16:57 GMT

    Lol @ England. What happened to the world No 1 spinner ? What happened to your unlimited backup of fastbowlers. If soe of the Indian batsman can be called flat track bullies, can we call this Eng bowlers as fast/wet track bullies ...

  • on October 17, 2011, 16:51 GMT

    Way to go India!! Good job even with a B team!!

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  • on October 17, 2011, 16:51 GMT

    Way to go India!! Good job even with a B team!!

  • on October 17, 2011, 16:57 GMT

    Lol @ England. What happened to the world No 1 spinner ? What happened to your unlimited backup of fastbowlers. If soe of the Indian batsman can be called flat track bullies, can we call this Eng bowlers as fast/wet track bullies ...

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:02 GMT

    I thought England's fielding & catching was also a big let-down...Had they taken some of those sharp chances offered by Gautam & Virat earlier on, things would have been different...probably !

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:03 GMT

    Now now! Whitewash is on cards! :D India outplayed England.. Yet again! I'm so happy! Gambhir and Virat were a class act! So was Vinay Kumar and the Indian fielding was so good! :)

  • agam99 on October 17, 2011, 17:03 GMT

    Another thumping for England from hands of India. Saw Barmy Army leaving stadium much before the game was close to finish..being present i stadium myself. Cmmon India....5-0 from here ;)

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:04 GMT

    England wont win 1 game poor England

  • rahulcricket007 on October 17, 2011, 17:05 GMT

    LIKE INDIA WAS UNABLE TO MAKE 300 RUNS DURING TEST SERIES IN ENGLAND , ENGLAND IS UNABLE TO PLAY 50 FULL OVERS IN INDIA .

  • usernames on October 17, 2011, 17:06 GMT

    Excellent match from India's perspective. Other than the initial wobble, everything was perfect. I loved the fact that England had the advantage when they won the toss and had to decide what they wanted to do. Last match's report had a comment from someone that the match was handed to India on a silver platter and that India didn't deserve the win.

    Well, there you go, whoever said that. India needs to continue the momentum and as Dhoni says, keep doing the right things. It's a game and hence you'll win some and lose some. England tour was a bad one, yes, but the ODI difference isn't really *that* big.

    I can also, sort of, understand why the hype was built around the "English aura of invincibility" after just one series. The English have seen their team win a few after maybe a couple of decades. So, of course, it's natural to go a little over the top if your team wins a few after a long, long time!

    Oh, and this wicket wasn't exactly a square turner. Just sayin'.

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:06 GMT

    Well this time England batted first, the turf was quite sporting. Would love to here some novel excuses from English fans, perhaps they were missing W.G. Grace!!!

  • on October 17, 2011, 17:07 GMT

    Oops.. Where r the flies, 40 degree sun and trac which gets slow in second innings??? Cant play well on flat tracks uh... Come on frnds.. This s the norms of Poms in India.. One unfortunate series winn against a team with multiple isssues wont make u sudden odi stalwarts.. Better stick with tests in home alone buddies.. Cheers...