India v England, 5th ODI, Kolkata October 25, 2011

Back to the drawing board - Flower

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Andy Flower, the England team director, has said England will have to go "back to the drawing board" to figure out how to play one-day cricket in the subcontinent after they slumped to a 0-5 series defeat in India. Flower said he thought England were better prepared for this series than they were when they were beaten by the same scoreline in 2008 but had been proved wrong by the results.

"This is a bad setback for us and we have to go back to the drawing board in terms of playing one-day international cricket in the sub-continent," he said. "We need time to reflect. I thought we'd learnt lessons from three years ago and put in place training drills which would equip our batsmen to deal better with the conditions out here, but I'm obviously wrong in that regard."

England ended the series in dismal fashion, losing their whole side for 47 in a dramatic collapse, after they were 129 for 0 chasing 272 at Eden Gardens. Alastair Cook, the England captain, said good starts and poor finishes had been a common theme of England's performances through the series.

"We set up the game beautifully to go on and win, but they bowled well and we played a couple of poor shots. It was a bit of a disappointing end and a bit of a common theme," Cook said after the match in Kolkata. "We were in with a shout at 120-odd for nought and just got blown away at the end. It was very disappointing. We know you can lose wickets in clusters and we seem to have lost 10 there in a cluster."

While India's spinners sparked England's collapse, the victory had been set up by a fierce late onslaught from India's captain MS Dhoni, who finished on 75 not out off 69 balls. Dhoni scored 212 runs in the series without being dismissed. He said he always focused on staying unbeaten till the end of an innings because then you could sum up which bowlers to go after.

"I always want to stay to the end and whatever is in my area I look to hit it over the boundary," he said. "It's important to see which bowlers are left and who you can target. After that it's about who can bear the pressure well."

"It was an ugly looking wicket and any ball could swing or keep low," Dhoni said of the Eden Gardens pitch. "It was very difficult to score on so we were fortunate to score 270 when 240 or 245 was in our minds. Then we just had to wait for the wicket to spin."

Cook praised Dhoni's innings but said he thought India's total was gettable. "Credit to MS; at the end he hits it very well, he's a very hard person to bowl at and he single-handedly got them up to 270, which was probably gettable the way we started. But when you lose 10 for 50 you're not going to win anything," he said.

Both Cook and Flower, though, insisted there were positives to take out of the series despite the emphatic scoreline. "Only four of us have played one-day series out here and it's great for the youngsters to get the experience," Cook said. "It will show where they need to improve and we all need to improve as a side. We got thoroughly beaten out here but there are quite a few positives; I thought Steven Finn [who took eight wickets over the five games] throughout the series has been excellent."

Flower said the bowling department had shown promise but unfortunately the batsmen had not been able to handle playing spin and had left the bowlers with too much to do. "Our skills weren't good enough and our handling of the pressure wasn't good enough," he said. "We obviously haven't got the players into a good enough state to deal with the challenges of playing spin, judging length and moving feet.

"I think our bowling side has shown glimpses of skill and if there'd been reasonable totals on the board they would have been better at defending them. But unfortunately the bowlers have had to bowl to very attacking fields all the time because that was the only way to win because of our under-par totals."

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  • 5wombats on October 28, 2011, 20:47 GMT

    @Gerard Pereira - what a nasty little hissy fit. So much for your idea of "balanced views". Nobody cares about 2007 anymore. It's history. History didn't help india in 2011. Just because Kumble got a ton - it doesn't mean that india are somehow "permanently better" than England. Maybe you haven't noticed - but England are not the "laughing stock of world cricket" anymore. Even though it had nothing to do with india, people said that England were the "laughing stock of world cricket" when Australia whitewashed us in Tests 2006/7. Now, in 2011 in Tests - England have whitewashed india........

  • DhoneWorldCupWinner on October 28, 2011, 16:08 GMT

    Eng team lost kolkata match like chokers ..after all the Eng team is made up of South african players !! Also i remember some players like Neil fairbrother, trescothick etc they all used to leave in between the series played outside Eng due to fear

  • on October 28, 2011, 15:26 GMT

    haha..seems like andy might join england xI...

  • DINESHCC on October 28, 2011, 13:35 GMT

    VALAVAN: "NONE WANT TO READ". THEN WHY YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU? FIRST OF ALL, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MY COMMENTS. I NEVER SAID THAT INDIA IS AS SUPERIOR TEAM AS THAT OF OZ AND WI. PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND 5WOMBATS COMMENT THAT INDIA IS PLAYING WELL ONLY IN HOME CONDITIONS. IF OZ IS THE SUPERIOR TEAM, ACCORDING TO YOU, WHAT IS THEIR RECORD IN INDIA DURING THOSE PRIME 14 YEARS MENTIONED BY YOU?

  • on October 28, 2011, 13:28 GMT

    @5wombats Well of course Its clearly visible that you are an die hard FAN of English team. Whats your opinion and review about the eng - ind ODI series held in India? What went wrong with the english players? Also I becoming of fan(saying it from heart) of you. Though i dont like england players for their rude behaviors i like collingwood and strauss for their talent. If you have any twitter link pls share it so that we will follow you.

  • on October 28, 2011, 9:46 GMT

    5wombats: Re the Australians facts do not lie 21 Matches 9-6 to India. A healthy respect between the protagonists playing in those series. Warne , Mcgrath, Waugh, Lee Tendulkar Dravid, Laxman Shewag Etc, great names .This was the time England getting rolled over 5-0 was the norm. Even in the 2007 series against England a tail ender like Kumble got a ton. The Poms were the laughing stock of world cricket. All of a sudden England win a series against an Australian side in the process of rebuilding and an injury ravaged Indian side on doctored pitches using the swinging Duke Ball and these guys are being hailed as the best team in the world. I just witnessed Trott and Bell groping around like a novices on a turning pitch. The same two guys were getting double centuries two months ago. The so called number one bowler Swan destroyed by Indian kids like Kholi. Bresnan who was unplayable in England treated like a club bowler.

  • Valavan on October 28, 2011, 9:22 GMT

    @DINESHCC, PLEASE PUT OFF CAPS. None want to read your abject comments. OZ and WI were invincibles between 1977 - 2008, around 17 years for windies and 14 years for Aussies. Accept first India is not in the same league, they are still low than these achievements. ODI WC win belongs to India, T20 WC win belongs to England, didnt it right, but that doesn't mean India or England are genuine champion team. OK. Once for all. cricinfo please publish.

  • 5wombats on October 28, 2011, 9:13 GMT

    @jaykdane81 - so, that's your defence is it? Your "excuse" for indias very poor performance in the Test Matches in the Summer in England is that Australia used to beat England - so indias poor performance in 2011 doesn't count? I won't reply to any further goading from you.

  • jaykdane81 on October 28, 2011, 1:37 GMT

    Ha, @5wombats.... So you think Test Cricket is the pinnacle... So why only three Ashes wins in over two decades (two of them at home)... and what about the 51 all out against the West Indies... For decades the Brits have been whipping boys for every team - and that in TEST Cricket... Do you remember Shane Warne destroying you in Adelaide, in TEST Cricket.... Just because you've got a fine Zimbabwean coach and a few talented South Africans/Indians in your side doesn't mean that this run will last forever...

  • 5wombats on October 27, 2011, 19:51 GMT

    @Neelesh Singhal;"I dont know how england won against India earlier this summer". England won because india did not respect Test cricket - just as you are not doing now. If you don't respect Test cricket - then you dont deserve any respect.

  • 5wombats on October 28, 2011, 20:47 GMT

    @Gerard Pereira - what a nasty little hissy fit. So much for your idea of "balanced views". Nobody cares about 2007 anymore. It's history. History didn't help india in 2011. Just because Kumble got a ton - it doesn't mean that india are somehow "permanently better" than England. Maybe you haven't noticed - but England are not the "laughing stock of world cricket" anymore. Even though it had nothing to do with india, people said that England were the "laughing stock of world cricket" when Australia whitewashed us in Tests 2006/7. Now, in 2011 in Tests - England have whitewashed india........

  • DhoneWorldCupWinner on October 28, 2011, 16:08 GMT

    Eng team lost kolkata match like chokers ..after all the Eng team is made up of South african players !! Also i remember some players like Neil fairbrother, trescothick etc they all used to leave in between the series played outside Eng due to fear

  • on October 28, 2011, 15:26 GMT

    haha..seems like andy might join england xI...

  • DINESHCC on October 28, 2011, 13:35 GMT

    VALAVAN: "NONE WANT TO READ". THEN WHY YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU? FIRST OF ALL, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MY COMMENTS. I NEVER SAID THAT INDIA IS AS SUPERIOR TEAM AS THAT OF OZ AND WI. PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND 5WOMBATS COMMENT THAT INDIA IS PLAYING WELL ONLY IN HOME CONDITIONS. IF OZ IS THE SUPERIOR TEAM, ACCORDING TO YOU, WHAT IS THEIR RECORD IN INDIA DURING THOSE PRIME 14 YEARS MENTIONED BY YOU?

  • on October 28, 2011, 13:28 GMT

    @5wombats Well of course Its clearly visible that you are an die hard FAN of English team. Whats your opinion and review about the eng - ind ODI series held in India? What went wrong with the english players? Also I becoming of fan(saying it from heart) of you. Though i dont like england players for their rude behaviors i like collingwood and strauss for their talent. If you have any twitter link pls share it so that we will follow you.

  • on October 28, 2011, 9:46 GMT

    5wombats: Re the Australians facts do not lie 21 Matches 9-6 to India. A healthy respect between the protagonists playing in those series. Warne , Mcgrath, Waugh, Lee Tendulkar Dravid, Laxman Shewag Etc, great names .This was the time England getting rolled over 5-0 was the norm. Even in the 2007 series against England a tail ender like Kumble got a ton. The Poms were the laughing stock of world cricket. All of a sudden England win a series against an Australian side in the process of rebuilding and an injury ravaged Indian side on doctored pitches using the swinging Duke Ball and these guys are being hailed as the best team in the world. I just witnessed Trott and Bell groping around like a novices on a turning pitch. The same two guys were getting double centuries two months ago. The so called number one bowler Swan destroyed by Indian kids like Kholi. Bresnan who was unplayable in England treated like a club bowler.

  • Valavan on October 28, 2011, 9:22 GMT

    @DINESHCC, PLEASE PUT OFF CAPS. None want to read your abject comments. OZ and WI were invincibles between 1977 - 2008, around 17 years for windies and 14 years for Aussies. Accept first India is not in the same league, they are still low than these achievements. ODI WC win belongs to India, T20 WC win belongs to England, didnt it right, but that doesn't mean India or England are genuine champion team. OK. Once for all. cricinfo please publish.

  • 5wombats on October 28, 2011, 9:13 GMT

    @jaykdane81 - so, that's your defence is it? Your "excuse" for indias very poor performance in the Test Matches in the Summer in England is that Australia used to beat England - so indias poor performance in 2011 doesn't count? I won't reply to any further goading from you.

  • jaykdane81 on October 28, 2011, 1:37 GMT

    Ha, @5wombats.... So you think Test Cricket is the pinnacle... So why only three Ashes wins in over two decades (two of them at home)... and what about the 51 all out against the West Indies... For decades the Brits have been whipping boys for every team - and that in TEST Cricket... Do you remember Shane Warne destroying you in Adelaide, in TEST Cricket.... Just because you've got a fine Zimbabwean coach and a few talented South Africans/Indians in your side doesn't mean that this run will last forever...

  • 5wombats on October 27, 2011, 19:51 GMT

    @Neelesh Singhal;"I dont know how england won against India earlier this summer". England won because india did not respect Test cricket - just as you are not doing now. If you don't respect Test cricket - then you dont deserve any respect.

  • on October 27, 2011, 18:24 GMT

    O Flower even a draw you would accept (''back to the drawing board'')

  • on October 27, 2011, 18:16 GMT

    I dont know how england won against India earlier this summer, this series shows their actual cricketing level. Don't forget how badly has england been thrashed repeatedly by numerous teams over last decade.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on October 27, 2011, 14:41 GMT

    So what did Flower think before this series? All is well by beating India 3-0 in rain marred matches? He himself is such a wonderful player of spin. Then why do the English batsmen go so hard and early at the ball on the difficult tracks of India? What was he and Cook thinking about Bell? I really hope there's no bad blood between Bell and Cook. If Cook can think properly he should understand that Trott, Bell and KP in no particular order should form the core of their middle-order. Cook showed what he is capable of in the last match on a challenging Indian pitch. So he too forms an important and skillful part of the batting line-up. What all you need is another two decent batsmen with some arrogance to take them across the line. You don't really have to go back to the drawing board and start from scratch. Once Morgan is back, he'll be that much needed fifth batsman. So what all you have to take care of is the 6th batsman and a reasonable allrounder at 7. Things aren't grim.

  • RajitD on October 27, 2011, 12:51 GMT

    While India was decidedly the better side, the 5-0 scoreline was flattering. Likewise, in the England series, I dont think the 0-4 scoreline was a fair reflection. It just so happens that when things are not going right, then everything seems to go against you. The fielding, the toss, the conditions, the marginal decisions! England are decidedly stronger in tests, but would they get the better of India in India even in tests - No. They cant play spin for nuts. But then, all this is speculative. Isnt it?

  • DINESHCC on October 27, 2011, 11:44 GMT

    GERARD PEREIRA: WHY ARE YOU WASTING YOUR TIME IN REPLYING TO ENG / AUS FANS: WHEN AUS AND ENGLAND WIN MATCHES IN THEIR BACKYARD IT IS THE STRENGTH OF THEIR BOWLING AND ATHLETISM. WHEN THE SAME TEAMS TASTE THE DEFEAT, THAT TOO VERY BADLY, IN THE SUB CONTINENT PITCHES THEN IT IS THE FAULT OF THE PITCHES, CLIMATIC CONDITIONS. WHEN INDIA WON THE WORLD CUP IN 2011, THESE FANS CRIED THAT BECAUSE OF THE HOME CONDITIONS IT HAS WON THE CUP. THEN WHY ENGLAND IN 1975, 1979, 1983, 1999, AUSTRALIA IN 1992, SA IN 2003 AND WI IN 2007 COULD NOT WIN THOSE EDITIONS OF WORLD CUP.

  • AlanHarrison on October 27, 2011, 10:16 GMT

    @ FrankMeister: I agree in so far as both India and England were missing players during this series, so England's absentees are no excuse. However, this point only accentuates the mystery as to why an India squad closer to full strength performed so badly on their recent tour to England, notably in the ODIs. @Pankaj_INDIA: I agree that the English media overrate the England team, who are not a good team in ODIs. However, I don't think it is true that England only win matches at home or in friendly conditions, and if you analyse closely the last two years of international cricket in all formats and conditions, I think you'd have to agree.

  • on October 27, 2011, 8:18 GMT

    My Personal comment is ,England & India are better teams in their home countries. But talking about this Series and the last one in England, India are far ahead as England never ended close to make the match entertaining. Either they are bowled out with a low score on board or the Score is made in 40 overs time. India in England amde every ODI very interesting despite a loss 0-3.

    Will look forward to West Indies series which will again be a boring series looking at the WI team but, the Most important will be the Australia Tour.

  • Flat_Pitch_Bully on October 27, 2011, 6:04 GMT

    Ha ha really funny!! Flower (good bloke) says England needs time to reflect... well u've had bloody decades to reflect - if that wasn't enough how much more time do you need? Even better Cook says "we know we can lose wickets in a bunch - and we lost 10" no buddy... look back you lost 50 in a bunch - just across days and grounds!!

  • on October 27, 2011, 2:56 GMT

    @all those who say it was unusual that English fielding was below par: well, it has been below par for most of the time. They improved a hell of a lot in the past couple of years but before that they regularly dropped catches, had several silly and maniacal misfields and bowled a ridiculous amount of extras. Might just be them going back to their old ways :P

  • on October 27, 2011, 0:32 GMT

    Frankly even if a team is number 1 in tests but rubbish in odis, doesnt make england a world beating side, who cares if test matches are the real deal. Its called being the best at cricket, not only test cricket, and maybe T20s dont have as much importance to people, but ODIS are. England maybe should take the odi format seriously? If they want a shot at the world cup coming in 2015. Anyways Englands real challenge is the subcontinent, and Indias is australia. I think it will be very clear if england are in fact the world number one test side, if they can hold onto their ranking till next year and after. India did it for two years, with home series wins, and the odd away ones. Now its englands turn.

  • itsthewayuplay on October 27, 2011, 0:30 GMT

    @Grannyluvsdub whilst the scoreline won't reflect it, as an Ind supporter I don't believe Eng were as bad as you described. They had their moments in each game and didn't help themselves with dropped catches in every single game and inability to rotate the strike resulting in poor shot selection. Ashwin and Jadeja have not performed in enough games in different conditions to be described as great but their bowling in the last ODI was of the highest quality especially Jadeja once the ball started to turn and I think a lot of teams would have found them difficult to overcome. Cook hinted at one factor that Eng struggled with throughout and that is the partisan nature of Indian crowds in Ind-something which this group of players found challenging and alien. It would be interest to understand to what extent the squad was affected.

  • jaykdane81 on October 26, 2011, 23:17 GMT

    @5wombats.. By the same token, winning at home against a team ravaged by injury is no biggie.. And lets see what kind of 'strong' place' you are in, when SA tour next year.. I have had 'splendid fun' watching England get mauled and will continue to do so when you are whomped by the SA and India next year..... From now on, its downhill for the Poms.... PS: Do you remember the 'splendid fun' comment when India toured England.... I haven't forgotten. BTW, you will see me quite often from now on, since you've been complaining that you've missed me :-)

  • 5wombats on October 26, 2011, 23:09 GMT

    @Marsh_aussie - I would urge caution. @Gerard Pereira talks about a "balanced view" as if he actually had one. Aus "running scared of India". As if.... ha ha ha! very funny! It would be snowing in Madras on that day! @Gerard Pereira; Once india leaves india to play cricket elsewhere the only people doing the running are india cricket team - chasing after the ball! They huff and puff too! Don't believe me? Get highlights of 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th Test matches in England in 2011 and you will see for yourself!

  • 5wombats on October 26, 2011, 21:56 GMT

    @prod75 - oh! just noticed your really helpful post. That's great! Thanks for reminding all your friends of what England did to india in the Test matches. Very helpful - it seems that a reminder was needed, or indeed, of fans knowing of it in the first place. It's good that you haven't ignored it! And - one other thing - I didn't notice a single post from you during July or August - weren't hiding were you? NO lectures about drilling please when india just got one itself 2 months ago. Enjoy :-)

  • cricketisagame on October 26, 2011, 21:13 GMT

    To all those who were talking about the full/half strength squads. While India toured England their best players were injured. England came with relatively good team but lost. Some English fans pointed out that in English tour when Shehwag, Gambhir, Harbhajan played, what did contribute... well they did not... but now for the 4 ODIs fans were asking that Bell is not in the playing eleven and if he was there, the things might have been different. Bell got a chance finally and what he did??

  • on October 26, 2011, 21:05 GMT

    I have written a blog post about England's batting in ODI's at http://dr-u.co.uk/t8IgAF England need some batsmen who can score more runs, more quickly!

  • on October 26, 2011, 19:37 GMT

    Marsh_aussie: While it is true that the Aussies were the better ODI team. It is time to face some hard facts. In test matches played between the two countries during the period 2001/2011 (And I presume test matches are the yard stick to judge the strength of a team). the all conquering Australian team that include players of the caliber of Hayden, Langer, The Waugh twins, Gilchrist, Ponting , Hussey, Clarke, Warne, McGrath et al , played India 21 times. Not a lot of people are aware of this but India won 9 tests to Australia's 6 with 6 drawn. If you don't believe me check out the facts for your self. Australia were rolling over all other teams but were always running scared of India. The results are no surprise as the Indian team over this ten year period had, Shewag, Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar. Ganguly, Zaheer, Harbajan and Kumble at their peak.

  • SnowSnake on October 26, 2011, 19:30 GMT

    OK, ranking junkies. Here is an average rankings for you (average of tests, ODI and T20). 1. England (119.3) 2. (SL and SA tie at 116) 3. India (115.7) 4. Australia (114.7) 5. Pak. (97.3) 6. NZ (94) and 7. WI (85.33). Now, comes the interesting part. If India beats England in T20 then it may become #2 or even #1 team in average ratings. England has more to lose in forthcoming T20 game. A lot also depends on outcome of Australia and SA game. I hope that ICC starts publishing average ranking, after all, who is anyone to decide whether tests, ODI or T20 are more important. Since there are three formats, all are equally important and average rank is a good representation.

  • on October 26, 2011, 19:19 GMT

    ElPhenomeno o: I could not agree with you more mate. It is great to read a balanced view rather the usual rubbish that gets written.

  • on October 26, 2011, 18:05 GMT

    Indian pitches are so drab, slow, no pace. Everyone is taking ODIs here but test matches in India usually end put in bore draws with 600 play 500, please try and prepare something other than the usual dust bowls. Overall England area better cricketing team. Test matches are the bench mark not ODIs/T20s, by the way who is top of the test rankings ? lol

  • MaruthuDelft on October 26, 2011, 17:41 GMT

    India plays well only in India...We all going to see their tour to Australia this summer...now no excuse of injuries...Australia will thump India..India will do well to draw one test and win just one ODI!

  • on October 26, 2011, 16:26 GMT

    @Marsh_aussie - every dog has its day. When the likes of McGrath and Warne left aussies were reduced to just yet another team. Just compare the aussie record since 2007/2008 in the sub continent. I am sure it is the best as compared to other nations playing in the sub cont but way poore than their own record since 2000.

    Aussie test dominance came down due to arrogance. England visited India with pride and arrogance after the win in their backyard and they clearly were served the right dish.

  • SBMURALI on October 26, 2011, 15:28 GMT

    England is a better test team than India (and thats only in their country).but india fought well in ODIs (atleast they managed to tie a game).Actually there was no complete ODI played in england. Consider the last game in India If the match was stopped due to rain after the 20th over then England would have won the match very comfortably by D/L method. This is what the situation in England for India. In fact India never played an ODI in england.

  • ElPhenomeno on October 26, 2011, 15:07 GMT

    Ironic as it may sound, these 2 teams slugging it out for last few months have basically proved nothing. Way to go in having a stalemate situation.

    I still think india is marginally a better side than england when both teams are fully fit and available and I am a south african. I really think india would have wiped the floor clean if we had any test matches to go next. Its a shame it has all come down to this to be honest. I wish both sides were fully fit and ready in both series. Its hard to draw big conclusions with half cooked teams playing. India missed their best bowler from pretty much the get go and host of other key players in england. Even though england could not be faulted for playing against a half cooked indian team, you can't help but think what could have been if fully fit indian team had played in england. I think it might have been a much better contested series to say the least.

    I think its back to the drawing board for both teams.

  • Marsh_aussie on October 26, 2011, 14:56 GMT

    For all those who are saying the Aus didnt do well in India in ODI's just check the stats at http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;home_or_away=2;opposition=6;spanmin1=01+Jan+2000;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=team;view=results. They have won 15 out of 24 completed matches since 2000. This is more than 50% of matches played. But if you see India's record in Aus at http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;home_or_away=2;opposition=2;spanmin1=01+Jan+2000;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=team;view=results. They have won 4 out of 15 matches. This is just 27%. Just because you won the WC in your back yard, it doesn't mean that you have the right to be compared with AUS. Just concentrate on the match up with England.

  • KTiwari on October 26, 2011, 14:09 GMT

    @5wombats, you should be coach of England and you can certainly take them to new heights.

  • on October 26, 2011, 13:52 GMT

    Flower was talking about defending decent scores, but remember, they could not defend 300 as well in Mohali.

  • CJJ99 on October 26, 2011, 13:38 GMT

    Very few teams in the history of the game have excelled in all conditions -Clive Lloyds' WI & Steve Waugh's Aus come to mind. They truly were the great teams of yesteryears! Both India & England have a long way to get there.

  • abiindia on October 26, 2011, 13:20 GMT

    i think aussie is most competent side in aus....let us wait and watch......

  • PiyushD on October 26, 2011, 12:57 GMT

    indrajit_v5 , even great Shane Warne was ineffective against India in India, Swan is a good spinner there is no doubt in that, may be 2nd only to Daniel Vettori of the current lot. Its just that Indians play spin very well, he was ineffective in England too except the last test match.

  • on October 26, 2011, 12:44 GMT

    @5wombats : Here we are talking ODIs. I wont comment on England but you should not say India win only in India. Here are some stats for your reference.

    last ODI series in Aus was won by India in 2008 ; last ODI series in NZ was won by India in 2009 ; last ODI series in Eng was won by Eng by a margin of 4-3 in 2007 ; last ODI series in SA was won by SA in 2011 by margin of 3-2 ; last ODI series in SL was won by SL by a margin of 2-1 in 2010 but India won all the 4 previous series in SL ; last ODI series in Pak was won by India in 2006 ; last ODI series in WI was won by India in 2011 ;

    In last 4 years india won 41 away matches out of 72 played : win% 57% In last 4 years Eng won 18 away matches out of 47 played : win% 38% In last 4 years AUS won 42 away matches out 61 played : win% 69% In last 4 years SA won 23 away matches out of 34 payed: win% 67% In last 4 years SL won 31 away matches out of 54 payed: win% 57%

    I dont think we should even try to put Eng in the same bracket

  • krnataraj on October 26, 2011, 12:13 GMT

    the fact is that both teams lack the technical prowess to play in alien conditions. some of the indian batsmen particularly the younger lot like raina, sharma, kohli do not have the patience nor technique to face short lifting balls and also when the ball seams around. the english team are also not great shakes against genuine fast bowling and their abilities would be known when they play the proteas. the fact remains that apart from ian bell the rest could find either spinning tracks or green tops difficult to handle. among the english bowlers only steve finn is a genuine fast bowler and the likes of broad, anderson etc are overly hyped media creations like some of the indian players too. tim bresnan can really focus to become a really genuine allrounder like ian botham in the future to come. the fact is that technique, patience and proper rotation of players by team managements is key to future success of any team. as far as number one position is concerned england will lose it soon

  • gaithersburgman on October 26, 2011, 11:20 GMT

    There are three essentials for a cricketer. Technique, Patience and Confidence. Take one away, you experience failure. Technical skills brings you into the Team. You build Confidence from your successes. You learn to develop patience when victory just slips out your fingertips everytime you come close. Technically both England and India are at Par. When India visited England, they somehow lacked the Confidence of a No: 1 Test Team. They played defensively, and the downward spiral started from the 2nd Innings of the 1st Test. It showed in their physical fitness and zeal. They however did not lose Patience, and worked on the mental side of the game. England visted India, full of confidence from a just completed winning series. They started to lose their patience, just after the second ODI loss. It showed in their behavior. England too needs to work on the mental side of the game. Constantly tweaking the Team combination, only provides temporary results and not lasting legacy.

  • indrajit_v5 on October 26, 2011, 10:36 GMT

    What happened to Swann..Isn't he supposed to be the greatest spinner after Warne and Murlitharan? If you don't know your cricket, then don't speak. This guy called Swann has to do a lot before proving himself.If a spinner cannot be effective in sub-continent conditions, then there is something wrong with him.

  • AlanHarrison on October 26, 2011, 10:24 GMT

    According to my calculations, England's record in ODIs against India in India since January 2002 (incorporating 3 ODI series, 1 world cup and 1 champions trophy) is now played 18 won 1 tied 1 lost 16. England simply aren't a very good team in these circumstances. I say this not to rubbish the England players (as some oversensitive England fans seem elsewhere to have inferred), but to show why England don't look as good now as when their seamers were charging in at Trent Bridge and Edgbaston pinging the ball at Yuvraj, Raina and Kohli's head, or as English media hype suggested last August. It simply has been the case virtually all through cricket history that international teams are more effective on their home grounds in familiar conditions, and less effective away from these. Cook's comments indeed admit as much: "Only four of us have played one-day series out here", asserting that experience of the conditions is important. I can't understand why some England fans are so defensive.

  • on October 26, 2011, 10:22 GMT

    @G.Sri - Interesting stat: your country has 1.3bn people, ours less than 1/20th of that; it shouldn't be that hard to put together a competent XI. You should be beating everyone all the time. Especially a nation that lives for the sport.

    @R.Ghosh - you think you would have beat us in England if it weren't for rain? What a ridiculous excuse. You couldn't deal with conditions, simple as that, which is exactly the reason we got thumped at your place. Also, an Indian talking about someone else thinking they rule the cricketing world? Pot, kettle and all.

  • on October 26, 2011, 10:03 GMT

    well congratulations to both the teams for playing well at home.....i think india got hammered in the test series in england....but they played well in the odis and certainly didnt deserve to be beaten 3-0...before this series every one had thought that this is the best eng side to tour india in recent years and they will show a much improved performance than their previous tours....but all in vein...eng still have to learn to how to play in subcontinent.....its surprising that how every one keeps blaming trott who might be a bit slow but its the job of the strikers in the side to do the hard hitting....even more surprising is the arrogant attitude of this english side.... i dont see bopara a part of this eng setup any more ...he has been given plenty of chances and its time to look for someone else...or as they say look for another import.....as gary kirsten rightly pointed out that england will be kicking themselves that they didnt import kallis from southafrica.....!!!!!!

  • chapathishot on October 26, 2011, 9:58 GMT

    There is lot of talk about the English behavior ,How can it be English behavior when the behavior is from South Africans.I think England should import Taylor from Zimbabwe,I think they should also explore China they unearth some talent from there also.

  • chapathishot on October 26, 2011, 9:40 GMT

    It was as usual ,Sir Ian and all other experts from England and some of the fans where saying that ,yes India are still fresh from the defeats in England ,we have a second grade India team England will white wash the series even giving not less than 4-1 in favour of England.Even in England we knew that England and no good in ODIs but what was proved that If India prepares turning tracks for the test matches against England.Cooks ,trots and bells will struggle all together ,Even I am surprised by the lack of ability of these so called greats to face the turning balls.And some body asked whether India has white washed any team like England did to India.Just look back to English tours of the nineties ,you will get the answer.

  • LindenW on October 26, 2011, 9:32 GMT

    Jerold Ames, England won it 2006-07, commonwealth bank series

  • on October 26, 2011, 9:25 GMT

    @Martin Atkin

    i couldn't agree more. some of the comments here astound me

  • indyarox on October 26, 2011, 9:21 GMT

    Pommies got it now.. Self proclaimed No 1 team. LOL.. Back to reality for the English.. India lost in England in ODIs and Tests.. England have got it back in ODIs, infact even more then they gave becoz Indya was close to winning a lot of games in England except for D/L. But England have been walloped here.. Infact this was one of the worst and most One Sided series ever played in India.. Can't wait for the Test series next year.. I fear England will be walloped once again. Becoz they winners at home but whiners abroad. LOL

  • sanjaycrickfan on October 26, 2011, 9:18 GMT

    No.1 test team which cant play spin to save their lives and cant win outside home. Bah !

  • SanjivAwesome on October 26, 2011, 9:16 GMT

    India is going through a readjustment phase with some new players. Some have done well in this series and it remains to be seen when the boys (as in the past Rohit, Sharma, Khan) will get separated from the men (gambhir, raina, praveen). I feel England should have played better as their no. 1 test ranking would imply. Perhaps they lack a clear strategy for 1-day cricket? Flower needs to inject such a strategy for England soon.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on October 26, 2011, 9:14 GMT

    @G.Sri . What about Patels and Bopara?...Eng has a bought up team!

  • dexterous9 on October 26, 2011, 9:07 GMT

    prajyot u spoke out my heart man.....well said.......england odi conditions are as flat as india...a little movement for the first few overs...but hardly any turn...all our batsman scored heavily in england odis but from their side hardly anyone gave a consistent performance in india...as a odi side england r no match at all..... only s.a,aus & pak can match india in odis....as far as the test goes england are the best side at the moment....but if the top11 indian players r fully fit...ind is the best side...........

  • Satish.V on October 26, 2011, 8:50 GMT

    As for the English fans here, no denying the fact that you the #1 side by virtue of being consistent over the last 2 years.You have a very good test side, which is almost unbeatable at home.(Like India).But you cannot close your eyes to the truth that the English side will struggle to hold on to the #1 ranking unless they win everywhere.Graeme Swann was pretty mediocre on helpful tracks & the seam attack does not seem capable of picking up wickets on dry tracks.England has many serious concerns that need to be addressed.

  • on October 26, 2011, 8:49 GMT

    This is a sweet revenge.... Way to India.

  • on October 26, 2011, 8:48 GMT

    It would be interesting to go back and read some so called experts draw their analysis after India abysmal tour of England.. on what England did right and what India did wrong.. etc.

  • sweetspot on October 26, 2011, 8:45 GMT

    There is no problem with the drawing board. It is the drawing that is missing something. This over methodical process driven nonsense has severe limitations in cricket. England is not a fun team to watch or follow as there is no heart in this team.

  • Satish.V on October 26, 2011, 8:43 GMT

    It is very amusing to read all the vitriol that is being spewed on the forum by fans from both sides.As an Indian,I am happy that we won the series.We've always been unbeatable at home and it was no surprise that we won the series convincingly.We might beat England easily in the test series in 2012.But what really counts is how we play abroad.That is the mark of a truly great side.The 0-4 loss in England is something we have to think about.Do we have the batsmen who can perform as consistently as the Big4 while playing abroad,across formats? Apart from Zaheer & Ishant,do we have the bowlers to pick 20 wickets on pitches which do not assist spin? The Oz tour will tell us whether we have learnt from the English summer.If we have, then the #1 ranking will be ours soon.

  • 5wombats on October 26, 2011, 8:36 GMT

    @Siddharth Sikka - what "general malaise" in English cricket??? The picture for England is the brightest it's been for years. We end the 2009-2011 period as undisputed number one in Test Cricket, having whitewashed the previous number one team (the whitewash included 2 spectacular Innings victories). We are current Ashes holders, having beaten Australia handsomely in Tests IN Australia (this included 3 spectacular Innings victories). We're in a strong place for the Test challenges of Pak, SL and SA ahead. In ODI England have also beaten South Africa away (look it up) and both the 2011 ODI World Cup finalists in England. So, these are great years for England cricket. Better ODI teams than England have gone to india and lost. In the great scheme of things, losing an ODI series in india is no biggie.

  • on October 26, 2011, 8:32 GMT

    Loving the Indian fans bemoaning England making excuses whilst crying 'injuries' etc. about their loss in England.

    Personally, I am pretty disappointed with our display. We looked like we might have had a chance in 2 of the 5 matches (IMO). Simply not up to par. Fielding was off for us as well. Quite unusual for England. In saying that, we let a number of new(ish) players get some game time, which is perhaps a small positive.

    England currently number 1 in tests and T20 - I guess we''ll just have to take that for the moment. Good luck in Aus.

  • AndyHarries on October 26, 2011, 8:32 GMT

    @Ritvick Gosh: What a load of rubbish your comment is. Clearly you're an idiot. When India got thrashed 4-0 in the test series did that make India a bad team? No they were tired, unfocused, having played a shed-load of cricket without a break, and missed Zaheer Khan (arguably one of the best quick bowlers in world cricket). They came up against a confident England side, in conditions the knew, and in a format they preferred. India went through the motions then. This time round England have gone through the motions and India have played cricket in the case of some individuals brilliantly well. The fact is that unfortunately there is just too much cricket played and I think with a less crowded calendar there would be a better contest between these two good sides.

  • on October 26, 2011, 8:07 GMT

    6 of you guys have played ODI series before, not 4 as you claimed ( Cook, KP, Bell, Bopara, Patel, Swan)

  • HawK89 on October 26, 2011, 8:03 GMT

    England can't expect to win with half their side full of new guys. Hopefully the Test matches will show who is the better team in these conditions. Probably draws with tame bowling attacks from both sides.

  • Srijay on October 26, 2011, 8:02 GMT

    It is funny reading the post match comments of Andy Flower and Cook. Their master plan and training has misfired badly. It is good that Flower accepts that. Their discomfiture and trying to cling to any straw looks laughable. Jonathan Trott standing his ground after being given out, hoping to see whether Jadeja has overstepped is downright idiotic. World's best player and leading run getter trying to see whether he can get away with such an attitude is pathetic. Most of them were downright silly shouting at batsmen and cursing opponent players and some times their own players. See how gracefully Raina went out after being dismissed eventhough Finn was shouting his mouth off. It is strange that the onfield umpire and the match referee didn't take any action.

  • on October 26, 2011, 7:48 GMT

    Really pathetic show by England. More than half their team is bought out from countries other than England and they still cant win a match. Poor team management is definitely a reason for England's defeat. Had it not been for rain in England, India would have won the one day series there as well. And the fact that the English players are sore losers is also disappointing. Their on-field temperment shows they are arrogant who think they rule the world. Thats what has prevented them from coming up in cricket. In my opinion, England are just highly overrated MINNOWS and can be compared to teams like Bangladesh and Zimbabwe

  • on October 26, 2011, 7:47 GMT

    Some of the one eyed comments here, on both sides of the fence, are a disgrace to the collective intellect of both countries. We're cricket fans all, not football hooligans. Why don't you all grow up? India fans: You took a pummelling, fair and square in England over all 3 formats in alien (to you) conditions. England fans: We got trashed by a better team playing great cricket in alien (to us) conditions. It's not rocket science, and neither team is a bad team, so stop the pathetic bickering because it makes you look like children.

  • on October 26, 2011, 7:30 GMT

    @ajayrcs : When was the last time that England won the Odi series in Australia ? India won the Odi series in Australia quite comfortably . We all seen how u handled the spin in sub continent and the results were pathetic . When Australia were a word no 1 team , they played well in every different occasion including sub continent . England already got hammered in World cup when they let Ireland chased down the target of 325 , and now 0-5 whitewash !!!! And you saying "England is the best " You won't last being No 1. India would have won the Odi series in England if it weren't for D/L . At least WE had our chance in England but England ?

  • Srini_Indian on October 26, 2011, 7:23 GMT

    Interesting stat:C. Kieswetter - South African,Kevin Pietersen - South African,J. Trott - South African,Eoin Morgan - Irish,Andrew Strauss - South African,Micheal Lumb - South African,Matt prior - South African,Ben Stokes - New Zealander,Jade Dernbach - South African,Stuart Meaker - South African. So much for the bench strength lol

  • 5wombats on October 26, 2011, 7:16 GMT

    All very amusing. But 99% of the "fans" queuing up to have a go weren't here 6 weeks ago..... Crow for while. Gloat for while. Then reflect on the fact that cricket, in particular - Test cricket has to be played outside of India from time to time. When playing away from India certain inconvenient truths come to the surface - as India found in England 2 months ago. The years 2009-2011 have been superb for English cricket. It's easy to handle being a target for the bile of India "fans" when you know England retained the Ashes by beating Australia in Australia, and whooped India in a famous whitewash during 2011 to become the number one Test team. You might scare away and intimidate other fans - but you won't do that to the wombats! Enjoy Australia guys - the plane is waiting for you.

  • on October 26, 2011, 7:14 GMT

    Hmm it was good win...now only if someone could get an interview with Naseer Hussain it would lovely for all the comments he made in england

  • on October 26, 2011, 7:06 GMT

    'ALAS!'tair Cook says India have struggled in our conditions also. Does he forget that India won the previous test series in England in 2007 and should have won that 2-0 had Dravid been more ruthless. Does he forget that India have won one-day series and chased down 300+ targets 3 or 4 times! Does he forget that they won against a rag tag injured-a-day Indian side in England few weeks back.. plus the rain also helped them immensely! Why do these guys cry and whine about conditions..conditions.. conditions. Is England in another planet or what. Their batting conditions in one day matches are the best for batting. The ball does not seam forget turn there. The ball comes at the right height and comes onto the bat nicely. In test matches there are seaming pitches but their batsmen will also have to face the same pitch! Yes England played well in England but Indian injuries and rain helped them greatly. They did not beat India there as India beat them hands down here.

  • Aussie_rulez on October 26, 2011, 6:41 GMT

    HEHEHE....Pommies enjoy being drilled in India !!! Second Consecutive ODI series Whitewash in India !!

  • on October 26, 2011, 6:39 GMT

    English team as well as english fans heve never shown sportsmanspirit when it comes to facing defeat.They start blaming the shorter formats when they are incompetent in that. Dominant teams like the carribeans and Aussies have always played excellently during their peak time irrespective of the format. Even today I can see posts like "India are good in exploiting the conditions when the batsman has to attack".

  • on October 26, 2011, 6:38 GMT

    Mr Naser Hussain ,Who are the donkey's now?

  • ajayrcs on October 26, 2011, 6:31 GMT

    Its not a great achievement by India. Opposition team is neither a good ODI team nor every member of the team was present. England is still better Test side right now. Don't forget next world cup is in Australian speedy pitches not in Indian Spinning turf. So Indian team should consider loss in 3-0 England bigger than 0-5 win in India. Let see what happens in Down Under.

  • on October 26, 2011, 6:30 GMT

    I honestly think that the english team is over hyped off-late.

  • maddy20 on October 26, 2011, 6:14 GMT

    What Flower should be worried about more is the fact that they failed to bat out 50 overs on 4 occassions. By the time they tour next year Ashwin would be a well accomplished spinner and with Rahul Sharma, Jadeja, Raina etc., in the mix things can go from bad to worse! They need to learn to play spin if they are to challenge India here or Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka. Even SA has a lot of good spinners in their ranks like Peterspn, Botha, Tahir etc.,

  • RandyOZ on October 26, 2011, 6:11 GMT

    Flower - what's more worrying than the fact that England aren't good enough to produce their own coaches, is your continual selection of Southern African players when their are far better ENGLISH players availiable for selection (Kieswetter the prime example). I know the county system is weak but there's English payers out there. You do not need to go back to the drawing board, you need to get out of there and make way for an Englishman!

  • RandyOZ on October 26, 2011, 6:11 GMT

    Flower - what's more worrying than the fact that England aren't good enough to produce their own coaches, is your continual selection of Southern African players when there are far better ENGLISH players availiable for selection (Kieswetter the prime example). I know the county system is weak but there's English payers out there. You do not need to go back to the drawing board, you need to get out of there and make way for an Englishman!

  • SamRoy on October 26, 2011, 5:57 GMT

    I think India will win the test series vs England in India next year (either 1-0 or 2-0). In India the only result pitch one can get is a spinning wicket. And learning to bat on a spinning wicket is an art nobody in the England team has mustered (Morgan still is yet to be tested against quality spin on a rank turner and though Bell has the ability he has mostly failed. Pieterson: hard hands. Strauss, Trott and Cook doesn't pick from the hand. Prior is decent to good, Bresnan terrible, Broad terrible, others are bowlers. With such a resume it is extremely difficult winning in India.

  • tanstell87 on October 26, 2011, 5:36 GMT

    my friend Akhil writes : World's Number one test team lost its 10 wickets for 47 !! ROFL, Even zimbabwe scored 330 to win against New zealand... Oh wait, may be u can get some players from zimbabwe too, infact zimbabwe is close to southafrica.. No worries :D

  • CricketFundas on October 26, 2011, 5:35 GMT

    @5wombats - Perhaps the hammering that England just got messed you up. The difference between India and England is clear: India was competitive in the one days in England. England on the other hand were atrocious in this series - being bowled out in most matches, not being able to get 10 Indian wickets, not able to play spin...the list goes on.

    So go sleep it off. And, enjoy your #1 spot in T20 for another couple of days. India will pound the English team to dust in a few days and your #1 T20 spot will be gone.

  • on October 26, 2011, 5:29 GMT

    @5 Wombats it is very nice to point out that India keeps winning at home and we will keep winning at homes but the general malaise with the English is that barring Steven Finn none of them actually tried to apply themselves in the whole one day series and this isn't really the mark of the great team. Your captain looked quite ordinary, considering he had an abundance of talent at his disposal. Since England is the number one Test side you would have everyone else gunning for you and if your team will not apply them in foreign conditions how long would it be before they lose the test rankings. The same thing happened to India in the test series in England. And like Indian conditions, English conditions are English conditions so if India lacked preparation so did the English. Just because your number 1 in tests doesn't mean that you can ignore one-days. England needs to have a rethink on how they play one days because they havent improved in that format for decades

  • jaykdane81 on October 26, 2011, 5:05 GMT

    BTW, I am extremely thrilled to witness the great performances of the world's 'Best' spinner in the land of spin!! How is it that 'Great' spinners fare so poorly on 'spinning' tracks. Welcome to the concept of 'Home Advantage'. I know ppl like 5 wombats never believed there was such a thing, while India toured England...

  • jaykdane81 on October 26, 2011, 5:01 GMT

    I am really happy to see 5wombats being given lessons on how to read/understand/analyze facts..You seem to have chronic convenient/selective amnesia.

  • subbass on October 26, 2011, 4:57 GMT

    Well done India.

    England ? - woeful.

    That is all.

  • Naveenkumarkulkarni on October 26, 2011, 4:55 GMT

    The main turning point in the 5th one day is the wicket of Alister Cook (he and his partner Keiwswetter both really played well for the first wicket partnership if they have contined for the next 10 overs then things would have been different)....ossumm delivery from Varun Aron...he is simply great...such a great pace he is having...in this series he got 90% of his wickects by making the batsmen bowled...this gives the clear idea how good he is in his pace and the accuracy..i truely impressed by this youngster...

  • DhoneWorldCupWinner on October 26, 2011, 4:54 GMT

    i am surprised as someone saying Eng winning in tests in India...is it serious? They were all out everytime in the ODI series in India and can they hold on for five days and win a test?Its simply not possible.. @1st_april : If you want a good fight why dont you go and play in SA or India? see what happens after that.. P.S :I like the comments posted by SpartaArmy and ROI-today.

  • chandau on October 26, 2011, 4:54 GMT

    he heee what goes around comes around :) the so called best team in the world cannot make runs in the so called flat beds, the countru roads, the baating paradise of ASIA. Remember how Sri LAnka hammered you guys by 10 wickets in the World Cup semi? Now India gave you guys 5 zip whitewash LOL. So maybe crikinfo can explain how England of all teams is ranked 1st in T20. Pakistan, Sri Lanka and India have all played better T20 cricket. England to be ranked 5 in ODI is also a traversity since they beat SL 3/2 under very unfriendly conditions with the luck of the toss. Flower can go to the drawing board or a drawing wall but the fact remains England will be a poor traveller. Add to that the compulsion to pick some average cricketers and the situation will be the same (eg. Dimithri M was picked by England but had he remained in Sri Lanka he would always have been a club cricketer - nothing more). One undeniable fact: England are good under a cloudy sky on a winterday!! cheers

  • RandyOZ on October 26, 2011, 4:51 GMT

    England are a joke. Even with their South Africans and Zimbabwean coach they get crushed (as expected) in the subcontinent. Remember they can't even beat Ireland there! How about instead of trying to get quick solutions with imports you build up some domestic talent. When you still have Trescothic winning county awards you know you are in deep trouble. Trott and KP might be a bandaid solution but they aren't hiding the gaping hole in English prospects. At this rate Australia will be back to their rightful place as #1 in tests in no time!

  • Percy_Fender on October 26, 2011, 4:37 GMT

    It was not all that disatrous for England. Steve Finn is a great one in the making. He looks like the fast version of Magrath. Unlike Anderson, he bowled well in Indian condition and that bodes well for future visits to the sub continent. Bairstow remains a matchwinner. But he should bat higher. Possibly at No 3 to make the impact he can. Brothwick could be a star as well. He probably should get his run up seen by Shane Warne. He will definitely trouble every other team I think including the Australians. I hope people will remember that Shane Warne was clobbered all over the park by Sachin and Shastri on his debut game in Sydney. So I hope the selectors stick with this man. The seam and swing bowlers over reliance on weather conditions to assist their bowling style is also what needs to be addresed. It is all very well to say that every country will benefit from teir home conditions. But if England cannot play as well outside England, they cannot hold on to their No 1 position for long

  • longlivewoodoo on October 26, 2011, 4:20 GMT

    I am too much disappointed with the england's performances. Even bangaladesh have challenged us a bit. Please no more india's tour for england. They cann't even beat a Ranji team in these conditions. Somebody plz tell english medias that matches are not won in coloumns.

  • on October 26, 2011, 4:11 GMT

    I hope this victory will be a start of the revival of indian bowling attack. The bowling attack was crippled without the likes of zaheer and kumble. The young blood came out good in the series and hope they continue to do so in the tour down under

  • on October 26, 2011, 4:09 GMT

    @5Wombats: England are a hopeless ODI side. They lost 6-1 in Aus vs Aus, lost 5-0 vs India in the past two consecutive series in India and barely won 2-1 against Sa and won 3-0 in England vs india recently only due to D/L and were knocked out in Qf in WC 2011 Compare this to India, who have won CB series in aus recently, lost to SA narrowly by 2-3, and won the WC. Clearly India a better ODI side and i think they jump to #2 in rankings with the whitewash. And FYI, Pakistan and SL a better 20-20 side than England. England can perhaps hope to hold on to their spot in tests,though

  • 9ST9 on October 26, 2011, 4:05 GMT

    England win in England, India win in India ... why waste 5 ODI's on this? Should have been 3 match ODI series both in india and england.

  • on October 26, 2011, 3:58 GMT

    Well played India, a shame they didn't show up for the entire England tour, it might have been quite exciting. A pity that Buttler didn't get a game - at 0-4 you think it might have been nice to give him a go. And I think Cook's quote sums up the continuing English mentality - "at 120-odd for naught we were in with a shout". He knew full well that he should have said "at 129 for naught after twenty overs we were in a match-winning position", which would be the truth. Despite being dominant at home its almost like the English are still scared to win. We were well beaten in the series but that game was in the bag and we through it away. When part time bowlers like Raina are getting easy wickets there's nothing else you can say. Even then, I think England will learn from this whereas India will think everything's fine and dandy now and forget all about the savage beating they took in England last summer.

  • prod75 on October 26, 2011, 3:51 GMT

    Finally some common sense from Brit fans..thanks Kyla..Martin..most of the teams are going through little bit of transition, with good young players coming in to the mix..will be interesting years of competitive cricket ahead.

  • jmcilhinney on October 26, 2011, 3:46 GMT

    Bairstow showed some encouraging signs but looked very uncomfortable against spin, as did Stokes in England. They will both be in the team in future I think but it's early days for both. I think that it's Buttler's turn to get a few 50-over games to see if he can impress. It would be nice for one of them to play well enough to cement a place. I'm sure that Morgan's absence hurt England this tour but how much can one man really do? Also, we can't criticise India for an over-reliance on ZK and then beg poor because Morgan is out. To those who keep whining about Swann being #1 spinner, ICC rankings are based on results, not opinion. If Swann is ranked #1 then he has performed. He didn't perform here and may not be #1 for too much longer but those rankings are the same ones that put India at the top of test cricket not that long ago. Either you believe in them or you don't, not just the ones that rate your favourites better.

  • prod75 on October 26, 2011, 3:43 GMT

    Lolol...again for For your kind information 5wombats :-) Posted by 5wombats on (August 06 2011, 09:38 AM GMT) @Cpt.Meanster; "Also, the English bowlers rely too much on overcast conditions for the ball to swing", how do you reckon that then? It was hot and sunny at Lords and Trent Bridge and india got bowled out for under 300 every time, 150ish even. Don't try and make out that England only win at home because of their swing bowlers - otherwise how did Bell score 150+ at Trent Bridge, KP 200+ at Lords, how did Cook & Trott score so many runs in Australia and how did Swann bowl out the Aussies at Adelaide and how did England manage to win a Test match in South Africa last year? Evidence is important here and the evidence doesn't support what you are saying. I am really looking forward to watching England in india when we can finally nail some of these myths once and for all. <---- u just got drilled here mate -)

  • jmcilhinney on October 26, 2011, 3:39 GMT

    Cook: bats well when gets in, needs to get in more often, captaincy OK, could be more imaginative; Keiswetter: better when attacking, needs to score at least a run a ball or bat lower or dropped, keeping not good enough despite occasional brilliance, neither Bairstown or Buttler are regulars to take his place; Trott: needs to bat consistently like in game 4 to up SR; Pietersen: indications of return to OD form but who knows; Bopara: did nothing, scratchy defence, only attack premeditated, hardly bowled, time to go. Patel: some good signs with bat and ball but needs more consistency (like everyone); Bresnan: only occasional with bat and too hittable; Swann: disappointing in spinning conditions, needs to consider bowling differently in OD; Finn: best English performance, will be around a long time; Bell: one bat and one fail, still worth a go as opener; Meaker & Borthwick: some good signs but early days; Dernbach: needs to work on stock delivery; all bowlers need to adjust line & length.

  • 1st_april on October 26, 2011, 3:26 GMT

    @DhoneWorldCupWinner Hosting SA,AUS and WI are poor tactics??....we are hosting SA,AUS and WI because we expect them to give us a good fight....unlike India which folded 4-0 in tests....i expect the ECB to make a more sensible FTP by giving Bangladesh an extra test match....having only 2 test series against India....:-P

  • landl47 on October 26, 2011, 3:23 GMT

    Well done, India. Dhoni had a fantastic series- he drove India to the finish in almost every game. England's batsmen just weren't able to adjust from test techniques to the type of batting needed in ODIs in the subcontinent. A lot of Indian fans commenting seem to be confused- England wasn't the #1 ranked ODI team, or even close to it. They are the #1 ranked test team and I expect them to stay there. India's bowlers are good at exploiting the conditions when batsmen need to attack, but in tests they haven't the firepower. I can't see Sri Lanka beating England in test cricket wherever it's played. Pakistan have a better chance, but their batting is suspect against good seam bowling. It should be an interesting Winter.

  • Dhar40 on October 26, 2011, 3:16 GMT

    Congrats to India but it seems that the Indian fans writing here are getting far too carried away. England thrashed Australia in Australia and they blew India away albeit at home. Has India ever beaten anybody like that in tests anywhere. NEVER! Anderson, Broad, Bresnan, Tremlett, Finn, Swann are capable of bowling out anybody twice on any reasonable surface. England has a strong bench, genuine pace and the best spinner in the game. A great side must have a great bowling attack but every Indian kid wants to be Sachin Tendulkar- the result is an Indian attack that would find it hard to dismiss West Indies and New Zealand on a consistent basis.

  • Meety on October 26, 2011, 2:58 GMT

    @ Nutcutlet - great comments. Very gracious. The re-drawings of plans though, must be that the Domestic comp be a 50-over series, not 40. 13 tons in 69 games, since 1st Jan 2009, is not good enough. This series was alot like the Oz series, great starts no great innings. Bowling was reasonable most of the time, I think you were harsh on Swann, India - it's not a great place to be for an overseas spinner. @SnowSnake- mate, to compare either the recent Pommy #1s or India to the great WI or Oz sides is a joke. The decline India WILL face hasn't started yet! The performance in England was a FOREWARNING of what is to come when within a few years there will be no SRT, Dravid & Laxman, it will be questionable whether Sehwag or Yurav will be playing outside of T20 either. There is talent coming thru, but they are mighty big shoes to fill, & since India is VERY relaint on its batting, it is inevitable results WILL suffer. Unless the young bowlers are better than the current ones? (IMO - same)!

  • onkar567 on October 26, 2011, 2:55 GMT

    england have got a resounding answer.an enthrolling performance from india.i was feeling pity on the english batsman.can't even bat for 10 overs when a previous batsman gets out.india definitely performed well in england as per their eleven.here when the conditions are favourable mind you depleted wi are in deep trouble.once india are back in winning ways,even aus can be beaten in their own backyard.DHONI WILL PROVE THAT HE CAN BEAT ENG IN ENG IN THE TOUR IN 2012!!!!!!!!!

  • on October 26, 2011, 2:50 GMT

    England was never ever tough for india. i doesnt seems they would in future.

  • Meety on October 26, 2011, 2:43 GMT

    First off, congrats to India for handing out a 5nil Brown-Wash of the Poms. Good job. The problem for English fans is how to reconcile their T20 & Test #1 rankings with their ODI performances. Its quite simple. Ten years ago (roughly), the Poms went back to 4-Day cricket. This better simulated the conditions of Test cricket. Results started to improve & young players entering test cricket now are better prepared than the previous generations. Their domestic 50 over comp is actually played over 40 overs! I wonder if the powers that be, will decide their T20 comp should be come a 16 over a side format??? Cric Oz stupidly changed their domestic format to 45 over split innings. Fortunately, this was for just one season & shouldn't destabilize the calibrations batsmen use to seeing out 50 overs. Pommie batsmen regularly throw their wickets away only 13 tons out of 69 games since 1st Jan 2009, Oz 21,Saffas 22,India 33 & SL 26. Fundamental diff, batsmen don't go on with it & people bag Trott!

  • Evangelyst on October 26, 2011, 2:32 GMT

    When India toured Eng and lost everyone said England is a team that is always best prepared for international matches and India came totally unprepared. Wonder what happened to all that preparation for England to lose 5-0. Certainly seems like each team is best in their home grounds and extremely tough to beat. For India the real test will come against Australia.

    I would like to see Rohit Sharma, and Ajinkya Rahane in the Australia squad along with Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron.

  • jaykdane81 on October 26, 2011, 1:56 GMT

    Hello 5wombats.... I have been reading your comments for quite a while and have been thoroughly amused. Thank you for the entertainment. In everything you write, you seem to praise the English Team and trash the others, especially the Indians. Let me remind you that England have just got their first piece of silverware ever, and that too in the T20 format. So much for being the 'inventors' of the game. Besides, your test ranking will not last beyond this year end, coz South Africa are going to knock you off in a flash. And don't forget, you will lose your new T20 ranking this weekend, and never reclaim it. England have never and never will be invincible and India have learnt their lessons this summer and you can bet anything, that you will be served a dose of your own medicine when you tour us next year.... This is war!!

  • DhoneWorldCupWinner on October 26, 2011, 1:51 GMT

    Now the real test for Eng is ...Vs Pak and Srilanka Test series...They may loose #1 ranking but hey dont worry Eng have more than 10 test immediately in Eng conditions with SA, AUS and WI to regain that #1 ranking ..what a poor tactics to maintain ranking ??

  • n_jraman on October 26, 2011, 1:51 GMT

    good cricket by india...well lead MSD and good shine by youngsters...eng were found wanting and they are outplayed..fileding was worst i have seen and spin was too difficult to handle for them..for all those ppl who say india is winning only at home,kindly remember we have won odi in NZ,AUS,WI,competitive in SA,sub continent dominant..what else u expect from a team...all teams play at home to win and become comfortable..so kindly put this talk to rest..and in ODI ENG is an ordinary side and they lack finishers in middle order like MSD,hussey...at least in india u have pitches were seamers can bowl..tough time ahead for eng when they travel to SL ..i hope PAK and SL will get better of them....

  • qarakhanid on October 26, 2011, 1:50 GMT

    Lessons for England - (1) stop the absurd policy of "resting" key players for the duration of a series. This did not work for Australia and will not work for England. If you want to rest Anderson and Swann , do it for one or two games not an entire series. (2) stop experimenting with multiple new, raw quicks and young batsmen. Agree on the one you want to play and then give them an extended run. (3) Ian Bell must play every game for England. Sure he failed in game 5 - his only opportunity in the series - but aside from Cook he has been England's best and most consistent batsman for 18 months and he must play every game. (4) Ditch Ravi Bopara - how many times must we go back to this guy? He's a solid first class player but cannot translate that consistently to international level. That he was continually chosen ahead of Bell is a joke. Please stop picking him. (5) Ditch Craig Kieswetter - he is not up to international standard. Matt Prior is. Simple.

  • DhoneWorldCupWinner on October 26, 2011, 1:47 GMT

    Now coming to ODIs, India played much better and gave good fight in england in ODIs...but i didnt see Eng doing anywhere near to that in India. Remember Cook's voice at Heathrow airport when they are leaving Eng for India series..his "my side".."2015 world cup team" what a future thinking captain man...cant even think of his voice in the post match presentation yesterday after white-wash. Let me ask, Is Eng side a ODI team? Did they ever win a title in a ODI series? Yes even Bangladesh,Zimbabwe or Kenya neither..so Eng a good side like them.Isn't it? Common guys you deserve a round of applause for your ODI team.

  • mathewjohn2176 on October 26, 2011, 1:44 GMT

    England is good only at Home.They reached no.1 also By playing in home condition. In odi Lost to australia 1-6 and now India 0-5,they rank no.5 in odi which defects their standard.They are no good test side or odi side.They havnt won against top team outside their home like SA srilanka or India,just By winning in home,no one considers them best.first let them win outside which is not going to happen.so till that time they don't deserved to be no.1 in test and they are very very poor in odi,which everyone can see.sorry just By winning one series in home condition doesn't make them best team .To consider best they need to win outside England including subcontinent also.

  • fredie on October 26, 2011, 1:40 GMT

    If this result had some brownie points India would have rocketed close to Australia such has been the drubbing.India atleast gave some fight in 1dayers and had luck been there they could have won 3-2 in india's favour.What has been interesting in both these tours is that India was without sachin,sehwag,zaheer,yuvraj still they gave fight in England(And could have won as well) and in india they absolutely thrashed them.TROTT being best player in english media such a lame talk , he just cant play spin just look what sachin,kallis,dravid,sanga and ponting have done in all conditions....Swann being best spinner lol cant take wickets in india on spin friendly wickets Ashwin is better than him as well.... he was better in england than swaan in india .............R.I.P the worlds no 1 test team...revenge will be completed when we dislodge eng from no 1 t20 status coming this saturday

  • balajik1968 on October 26, 2011, 1:38 GMT

    It is'nt the drawing board. It is just the art of playing with soft hands and rotating the strike. Funny that one has to say this to England. I remember in 1984, when England was chasing 250(which was the equivalent of 350 then). The Englishmen did it with some fantastic rotation of the strike. More than anything I feel the English should take some inputs from Neil Fairbrother, who was one of the best finishers in ODIs before Bevan came along. Today, Dhoni is arguably the best finisher. There may be better batsmen in ODI's but he is the best finisher.

  • DhoneWorldCupWinner on October 26, 2011, 1:37 GMT

    Well said Andy...to be a number one team you need to play well in all the conditions like Aus/SA did in the past. I oppose with some ppl that mentioned that Eng have to keep winning at home to maintain the status of #1 test team easily. For you English guys, all you have done to win in Aus is to play like what 20+ years year after year in Aus to get adjust there in the name of Ashes and finally you just got lucky last time when you faced depleted Aus side in Aus? Its not about comparing with India when you really want to be a #1 side, why dont you compare with Aus that maintained #1 test and ODI ranking for long time by winning all over the world (i know except in India, which no one cant).ofcourse India did rout every team that visited Indian subcontinent meanwhile. To add, India did win series in England in the 2007 tour,WI,PAK,Srilanka, NZ and we drew in SA,AUS to reach that#1 status. Not like eng that were all out for 59 in WI when they started

  • mathewjohn2176 on October 26, 2011, 1:30 GMT

    Everyone knows England are good only at HOME conditions,they can play only in home and reached no.1 By beaing India in their own backyard.They never won in South Africa or India,they can't do much outside England.If India lose in England,so what,England ranked no.5 reflect everything.And England is not the whole world,atleast India record in England is way better than England in India.England are not the best in test or odi,which they got the ranking By playing in home condition.so England win in home condition rite? They didn't win against the top team like SA and India outside their home condition,so India shouldn't worry about the loss .

  • Y2SJ on October 26, 2011, 1:27 GMT

    Well done MSD and the Indian team. They have proved that Indian team is hard to beat in Indian wickets. It is to time to resume the away winning mode too.

    Hope the selectors give more chance to Umesh Yadav and Aaron Varun in future. They can come handy in Australia.

  • thebrownie on October 26, 2011, 1:18 GMT

    5wombats : perhaps you have forgotten, that India had won their previous series in England, drew against SA and was absolutely robbed of drawing / winning the series in Australia (@Sydney) and won everywhere else. Were they the undisputed no 1? No. But did they do better than the other teams : Yes. Kinda similar to what England are at the moment. They haven't won in India in ages. India also won the last ODI series in Australia, competed very well with 50% of their main players missing in England and in SA. When Andy flower said that England needs to go back to the drawing board, it was about their ODI performance against India - 0-10 in the last 11 is a pretty good indication that england is crap in ODIs in India against India.

  • zzzombie on October 26, 2011, 1:15 GMT

    lets correct 5wombats, shall we? "I don't think it was back to the drawing board at all. eng can only win at home rt? They managed to get to #5 in ODIs by doing absolutely nothing against the top Test teams when they had to play them outside eng. Their Test situation is the same, they can't do much outside of eng, despite what their #1 ranking could make people believe. If they were a good Test or ODI side they would be going to India, Pak, SL and winning-they didn't, so they aren't. Meanwhile, eng is not the whole world. english conditions are english conditions, that's all. All India have to do is keep winning at home with the odd win away and we'll easily regain our #1 Test status- afterall, it was how eng did it. Regarding Tests - even though eng are currently #1 in the world, they have achieved that by winning at home, that's all.It would have demonstrated progress if we had made some impression in eng-but we didn't-very few teams do. We lost 2 series in eng. So what." - eat that!

  • on October 26, 2011, 1:10 GMT

    @5wombats -- losing a one day series 2-3 is a "so what" but losing 0-6 is a "what now." Know your English, old chap

  • fredie on October 26, 2011, 1:09 GMT

    @5wombats What has england done ? India won T20 world cup outside india(south-africa) ,cb series (one day)in australia, one day series in new zealand ,won bi-lateral against sri lanka in srilanka (how many teams have acheived it i think only india),gave south africa some tough fight(3-2)without star players in south africa, even in england if lady luck had favoured them they could have won easily atleast 2 games.... What has england done in last 3 yrs ? What has eng done in 1days in last 3 yrs? nothing 6-1 ,5-0 twice against india...Even in test they have done nothing except winning ashes and winning in home conditions....Wait for 1 yr and you will get the result....india is never short of batting talent proved in 1days in eng and here as well....just need to find some fine pacers thats it and india would again be no 1 team....KUDOS TO TEAM INDIA

  • AvidCricFan on October 26, 2011, 1:05 GMT

    One positive for India is Ashwin filling in the Bhajji's gap. Ashwin has potential to develop into an effective allrounder. His performance is better than Bhajji's. Varun is a good find and should be nurtured further.

  • golax on October 26, 2011, 0:58 GMT

    @5wombats: Let me start with a disclaimer that this takes nothing away from the English team for their brilliant performance in the summer. That being said, I could raise the same argument as you have that England has been performing well in conditions suited to them in England and Australia. They were found wanting in the world cup, admittedly not by the Indians, but by the Irish, Bangladeshis and Lankans. As a fan, you could be in denial and overlook England's weaknesses OR you could truly accept these flaws and hope that the team fixes them in the future. Similarly, it would be silly for us Indian fans to assume that this ODI series negates the humiliation in tests. Our full-strength team may be good, but the English summer showed us that our best-laid plans for the future aren't so good after all.

  • on October 26, 2011, 0:47 GMT

    @Wombats....are you serious? half the world by the way has indian like conditions, sri lanka, india, pakistani/abu dhabi, west indies. Swinging and green pitches are hard for sub continent teams to adjust to, but india have managed well. What about others? Except for south africa, england AND australia have failed in the subcontinent alot. Barring the summer, india was actually doing well in england and putting fights up abroad in the past. India can win in the subcontinent, while england can in south africa, australia and home. England conditions arent the whole world, so england isnt the best either if they can only win at english like conditions. And about odis.....India are world champions, and dont get me started on englands run in odis.

  • king_lion on October 26, 2011, 0:46 GMT

    ok guys get over it! we shouldn't be surprised by beating england because that's what world champions do. real test is australia. my gut feeling is we will do well this time because the juniors have performed in such a manners that all the seniors who are resting now will be forced to put a good performance. great games ahead.

  • ROI-today on October 26, 2011, 0:45 GMT

    also, with this series win, India's ODI ranking will rise to 2-3..maybe 2 if South Africa loses the ODI series to Australia..

  • ROI-today on October 26, 2011, 0:43 GMT

    5wombats

    you are wrong..India has won ODI matches and a ODI tri-series in Australia 3-4 years ago..They beat Sri Lanka and Australia in Australia.Australia is numero uno ODI team so beating them in their own backyard is equivalent to England's Ashes win in Australia, if not harder..I say harder because England beat Australia in Australia when its ranking was 4-5. while India beat Australia when they were and are number 1. .India have also won numerous matches in NZ, West Indies and South Africa.

    Also, India played ODI much better in England, than England did in India..All matches in England were close..and one tie as well..

    In the recent series, England looked nowhere near winning a single ODI...and were handed drubbings..

    I feel India would have thrashed England in England in ODI and maybe in Tests as well, if we had roped in some quicks like Umesh Yadav and Varun. Add Rahane to test team, and it would have been very tough for England...

  • on October 26, 2011, 0:35 GMT

    Well done, India! I still feel England is a good ODI side, and 0-5 is rudely surprising when we beat India only a few months in all formats of the game. There is still a lot of time for the next World Cup, and hopefully we find a couple gutsy middle-order bats as Suresh and MS to prop up the England ODI team. On a side note, pitiably, England still has blokes with such parochial mindset as 5wombats.

  • on October 26, 2011, 0:26 GMT

    Truly won by India no complaints on that but England need to sort the batting order out as Cook,Trott and Bell in the line up doesnt work. Cook. Scoring zones are restricted due to his technique and him not being a naturally left handed batsman. Kieswetter good when on form but gets out with daft shots and at worse possible times. Sort of gets in,gets out. Trott...scores too slowly for ODI's. Bopara doesnt score big runs under real pressure in the sub continent. Bairstiow,inexperienced in these conditions. In terms of keeping wicket I think England needs a specialist keeper Making Kieswetter bat and keep wicket is too much and kieswetter is not that good a keeper. I think England need to bring in James Foster in for ODI's till we can find a young keeper good enough to do the job.

    My ODI team would be

    Bell Kieswetter/Taylor Pietersen Morgan Bairstow Bresnan Broad Foster(Wkt) Swann Finn Briggs

  • Sageleaf on October 26, 2011, 0:13 GMT

    There is no need to go back to the drawing board. England simply got trashed by India. It proves that England can only win in England. They just couldn't win even one game. I think every team is good in their back yard except Australia. They will let you earn the hard way of winning games. I think teams should play in neutral venues to figure which team is better.

  • SpartaArmy on October 26, 2011, 0:12 GMT

    @5wombats: With such a MEDIOCRE team which needs DARK CLOUDS and RAINS as 12 and 13 to win a game, you can't stay on top for a long time my friend. Enjoy the short span at the top of the table (thanks to the PURCHASED OVERSEAS PLAYERS), YOu guys never been to that spot before and will never be after. It is such a joke that a supporter of a team which has not even won any form of cricket in INDIA for the last 2 and half decades criticizng INDIA (which has WON both TEST & ODI series in YOUR OWN BACKYARD recently). Dont get overexcited with 4-0 and 3-0 scoreboard . COME to INDIA we will PAYBACK with INTEREST.

  • dsig3 on October 26, 2011, 0:01 GMT

    Wow. As a neutral observer its very surprising to see this result. Not sure what England are doing. On paper they are streets ahead of India. Hard playing India at home though especially after being smashed in England. India are the world champions in ODI's but I would like to see some test matches in India. I still think England would have the edge in that format.

  • on October 25, 2011, 23:51 GMT

    Lesson 5 on "How to play ODI cricket in India" is completed. Hope that England had learnt something :o or may be not..!!! Couple of points here: When India lost to England in England, there were green wickets and seeming conditions and now when India won by a bit better scoreline the pitches were slow and conditions favour spin. overall, fair enough home advantage for both teams. Its funny when a team does not perform well people start putting their fingers on captains, but I think Cook did his best on field despite having some batting failures. Strauss is all class and is better than Cook any time but he has not done too bad especially when his team has failed to field well. may be Hussain should take his comments back that he yelled on Indian fielding in Eng. And last, what about the world's best ODI bowler, Swanny..!! smashed all over, lost his place to new comer...probably he has realised the truth.he can't bowl well in spin friendly conditions or Indian batsmen are too good.

  • hsitasP on October 25, 2011, 23:48 GMT

    yes, 5wombats. it's just a 0-5 drubbing, so what. Eng team is so used to this, isn't it?

  • on October 25, 2011, 23:44 GMT

    @5wombats sounds like sour grapes pal, uv had one success in aus and all of a sudden england think they are absolute world beaters uv got SA to come and im sorry but they will humiliate england, england behave like 10 year olds and have paddys with each other imagine what they're gonna do if they lose in their beloved tests! i can sense a few more autobiographies comin, englands ego has got the best of them and when they come back in 2012 they really dont stand any chance they can't handle the heat in india's kitchen barring last summer the 2 previous trips india drew one test series and one the other, can't remember when england ever did that in india?

  • Venki_indian on October 25, 2011, 23:40 GMT

    @5wombats when did England won the ODI series in England Against india (before the England tour)...We have won Natwest series in ganguly's capatancy and and draws one day series in Dravid' capatancy...Its with pure luck England has won last ODI series...England is never a better ODI side either it is home or abroad and its a decent test side only not a great one.

  • Lmaotsetung on October 25, 2011, 23:00 GMT

    The 0-5 did take me by surprise if we're honest with ourselves. The good thing is World Cup is quite a ways away. I'm sure massive lessons have been learned this series and I have no doubt the England staff will correct whatever short comings the ODI squad might have. As far as players are concerned, I think Bopara has played his last international for England. 4-5 years of teasing me is quite frankly more than I can take and I am a big fan since he played that WC inning almost winning the match for Eng. Bairstow need some time with Fenchie and take over the gloves maybe and look for different opener. I also think a lot of the failures are mental...more like how to react properly to certain situation. Sort of a brain freeze is what I equate those failures. Anyway England are off til the new year. Well deserved rest and hopefully the come back strong in 2012.

  • azaro on October 25, 2011, 22:16 GMT

    Well I really wonder what has been learned. I think Ganguly is on to something when he says England over analyse ODI cricket. Trott really does get the side into trouble but when he gets out early they collapse and when he doesn't he makes runs but the run rate is too low so a lose/lose situation it seems.

    I think India have a really good ODI side at the moment and Dhoni may not be the greatest of keepers but he is the perfect captain to harness the Indian excitabliity and turn it into match winning performances. His batting in ODI's ain't shabby either.

    England were comprehensively beaten and I do think the great result against India in England papered over the cracks: India had a poor side for a variety of reasons, one being injuries. Now that crafty old coach Fletcher has had time to give them the skinny and focus they have gone for broke and swept England away. So what are the T20 champions and number one ranked team going to do now...?

  • khiladisher on October 25, 2011, 22:12 GMT

    ENGLAND CAN NEVER WIN A ONE DAY MATCH IN INDIA FOR THE NEXT 10 SORRY-OOPS 100 YEARS-WAITING FOR THE TEST SERIES IN 2012 FOR INDIA TO WIN 3-0.

  • rickster on October 25, 2011, 22:01 GMT

    Its shocking how people from england and australia claim indian pitches are flat and indian batsmen can only score in the sub-continent but these teams are never able to win series when they play against teams from sub-continent.

  • KTiwari on October 25, 2011, 21:49 GMT

    One positive from the series is Swann is not the spinner he thinks he is and now he has been brought to the ground. He has been hit all around the ground without any success.

  • on October 25, 2011, 21:35 GMT

    Revenge in style...Well Done India

  • 5wombats on October 25, 2011, 21:13 GMT

    I don't think it is back to the drawing board at all. india can only win at home right? They managed to get to number one in Tests status by doing absolutely nothing against the top Test teams when they had to play them outside of india. Their ODI situation is the same, they can't do much outside of india, their number 4 ranking reflects this. If they were a good Test or ODI side they would be going to England, South Africa, Australia and winning - they didn't, so they aren't. Meanwhile, india is not the whole world. indian conditions are indian conditions, that's all. All England have to do is keep winning at home with the odd win away and we'll easily keep our number one Test status - afterall, it was how india did it. Regarding ODI - india are only 4th in the world, and they have achieved that by winning at home, that's all. It would have demonstrated progress if we could have made some impression in india - but we didn't - very few teams do. We lost an ODI series in india. So what.

  • on_the_level on October 25, 2011, 20:56 GMT

    Well, at least England's sledging skills have received Flower's approval, so all is not lost!

  • Sarthak1305 on October 25, 2011, 20:44 GMT

    All england need to do is learn how to bat in the sub continent, play spin, how to bowl at the death overs in the sub continent, how to dismiss dhoni and yea how to field in general i cant believe Paul Collingwood once played for the english, hire him as a fielding coach. Look what Jonty did with us!!!!

  • on October 25, 2011, 20:42 GMT

    Well done India!! truly deserved the win

  • on October 25, 2011, 20:41 GMT

    Imo, india n england shud play as much as away games as they can against each other

  • itsthewayuplay on October 25, 2011, 20:36 GMT

    A story of yet agains such as: Finn who was superb and his over to Kohli was a highlight of the entire series; Finn has a catch dropped; Eng in a good position, with Ind at 80-3 which should have been 81-4; Rahane and Ghambir playing poor shots; Dhoni plays a nicely paced innings with a stunning finish; another Eng p'ship looking untroubled with 2 set batsmen going in quick succession; Ind spinners causing problems, once the pitch started to take turn. Aaron was slightly disappointing as he didn't bowl a consistent line and length and especially after his impressive second spell on debut and after having seen Finn today but looks like there's something about him. BCCI please look after him. Good to see the spinners deal with the conditions once there was dew.

  • Chris_P on October 25, 2011, 20:32 GMT

    What about the drawing baord you set up last season when beaten 6-1 in Australia? Or is that also work in progress?

  • on October 25, 2011, 20:26 GMT

    India COOKed SWANN Curry with a BROAD(Missing) smile, after ringing BELL served it to England for lossing five match in a TROTT.

  • khiladisher on October 25, 2011, 20:25 GMT

    The Indians have had their REVENGE and have routed England 5-0,it was great listening to the Captain Marvel making fun of England's pathetic and atrocious record of 16-1 in India.No one comes to India and talks of even winning 1 match leave alone David Lloyd saying the "joke of all time -that England will win the series 5-0.NO ONE COMES TO THE WORLD CHAMPIONS ARENA AND GETS AWAY WITHOUT A DRUBBING OF MAMMOTH PROPORTIONS. England have shown that they are total novices playing on turning tracks and they do not deserve the #1 test team position until they win anything at all in India or Sri Lanka.The Englishmen have shown that even after playing limited over matches over 40 years,why they have not won any World Cups or other 50 over events.

  • on October 25, 2011, 20:09 GMT

    credit to msd for playing an innings of patience at first and then blasting out in the final overs...all together a team's effort is what u can call it....a side 129-0 cruising for a big win...and then u come up with an extraordinary effort to take some quick wickets and then put pressure on the new ones who obviously would find difficult to score at first...the spinners bowled extremely well and the 'dew' factor was nowhere ...the 'MIDAS touch is back' :)

  • on October 25, 2011, 20:06 GMT

    Arn't England meant to be the number one team in the world. Vaughan stated England are the best and can play anywhere and win in the world. So what happened?

  • SnowSnake on October 25, 2011, 20:06 GMT

    It would be interesting to see what happens to India and England in tests now. The WI and Aussies had a precipitous fall from #1 rank. India-- not so much. If anything, India might catapult to #1 rank in tests soon. All those waiting for oldies to retire; well, India seems to have a backup plan in Pujara, Kholi and a few pace and spin options ready. The best thing about Web 2.0 is that all the pressure Indian batsmen had to put up with Indian fans is now directed towards any non-Indian #1 team. England will be subject to tremendous pressure to perform-- not only from Engish fans, but from fans all over the world. Let the test games begin :).

  • on October 25, 2011, 19:57 GMT

    Cricket will always revert back to Logic. India will always be a better team than England, may not be no.1 but better than England. England's representatives that includes likes of vaughan, griegs and boycotts reactions during India's dissapointing tour of England was totally out of the limits. They were showing the signs of a superiority but with desperation, unimaginable childlike excitement and pseudo intelligence about the game. Such reactions only comes from the people who hardly ever tasted the cricketing dominance for more than 6 months. Let alone winning WC. I cannot find any England bowler or Batsman named in top 5 best ever. They never produced World Class player since last 3 decades. They have enough theory, sponsors and intellect to assist cricketers in order to achieve maximum fitness, training and other facilities but they lack most fundamental thing - Quality and Skillful players. England will always be an above average team at max and not a great team, let alone no.1.

  • Brummieexile on October 25, 2011, 19:55 GMT

    Not the time or place for experimentation - to beat India in their own backyard you need your BEST players - not bit part no hopers like Bopara

  • LAKINGSFAN on October 25, 2011, 19:48 GMT

    England ODI has never been out of drawing room. It's been there only for a long long time. It's just India that played badly in September and Andy Flower drew wrong conclusions about his team ability that eventually backfired him just in a month.

  • on October 25, 2011, 19:42 GMT

    plzzzz plz im die hard fan of england team coz im british indian i fully support england plz dont play keiswater as a keeper he is not a gud keeper we can keep him as a batsman . why dont we try james taylor .nick compton and hildreath dey r gud 2 . we badly missed broady 2 any wayz it waz our destiny im sure we will play gud cricket in test matches all the best i love england

  • NewYorkCricket on October 25, 2011, 19:34 GMT

    That is all ok. Let us not hide our failures behind this success. Our bowlers and batsmen, including Dhoni, struggle on bouncy wickets. Real test will be Australia.

  • the_blue_android on October 25, 2011, 19:26 GMT

    Why is Graeme Swann so ineffective on rank turners?

  • CricketFundas on October 25, 2011, 19:25 GMT

    Good to see the English team introspect on the fact that they never played to their potential. I hope this is a reminder to the English that they are a good team, but by no means world beaters. Had there been a test series in India following the One-days, a test series white wash would not have been too far fetched.

    And, oh, this is 5-0 result is also a testimony to how poorly the Indian team played against this English team in England earlier in the summer.

  • on October 25, 2011, 19:25 GMT

    Well all i can say is well done ECB! your partly to blame for this you shedule a series against the team weve been playing all summer and this happens. We have played 15 succesive matchs against the same team and we have 1 more! So all that has been proved is we can hammer India in our conditions and they can hammer us in theres what a mess ECB!

  • Nutcutlet on October 25, 2011, 19:20 GMT

    After this latest debacle, and considering the four thumping defeats that preceded it, there has to be, as part of Flower's redrawing of plans to compete (let's not talk of winning yet, please!) in India, a culling of the players who just haven't cut the corriander. As the shorter list comprises those who may be spared, I suggest that Trott, Cook himself, and Patel are the only batsmen who deserve reprieves. Finn among the bowlers has pushed himself into the first XI in all formats on this showing. Swann has to prove himself all over again; he has not had a good series. Keiswetter's keeping is average at best. Dernbach needs to mature as a bowler and esp. as a sportsman. He was ungracious and boorish as the Indian players left the field and if he was provoked, then he should have risen above retaliating - way to go, Jade! I want to be proud of England, even in defeat. These last few weeks I have felt embarrassed and ashamed. Well played indeed, India, you thoroughly deserved to win 5-0

  • on October 25, 2011, 19:19 GMT

    Mr. Flower ... any amount of training can't make up for lack of Talent ..... I wish there would have been a followup Test series ... we would have had another whitewash ...

  • ElPhenomeno on October 25, 2011, 19:18 GMT

    I guess everyone is "the man" in their own backyard. I don't know why India gets the flak for being subcontinent bullies. England got comprehensively walloped. I bet if there was a test series and the full indian team was fit the result would more or less be the same.

  • SmellyCat on October 25, 2011, 19:14 GMT

    So "Flat Track Bullies" beat "Seaming Track Swingers" :-)

  • Quazar on October 25, 2011, 19:14 GMT

    I feel disappointed for England fans, especially those who made it to the grounds in India. Commiserations. But very happy for MS Dhoni's young India! Magnificently played through the series!

  • Quazar on October 25, 2011, 19:13 GMT

    I feel disappointed for England fans, especially those who made it to the grounds in India. Commiserations. But very happy for MS Dhoni's young India! Magnificently played through the series!

  • Grannyluvsdub on October 25, 2011, 19:07 GMT

    Amazing, truly amazing. All credit to Andy Flower for being straight. I'm as hacked off as anyone that the series was lost in such pitiful fashion but I can't remember the last time I heard a captain, coach or 'spokesperson' from any sport actually say 'we were cr*p, we need to go away and think about what went wrong and then we'll come back to you with a plan for putting it right'.

    I'm sure they all do it in reality but please, but when talking to the media after the game, I've had enough of the rubbish platitudes that don't actually mean anything.

  • on October 25, 2011, 19:04 GMT

    hehe.. losers are suppose to lose...

  • kumarcoolbuddy on October 25, 2011, 18:49 GMT

    Win and loss are part of the game but atleast now everyone should accept the truth that a team cannot be great or greatest by just winning in their favorable conditions especially when everything is in their favor.

  • xylo on October 25, 2011, 18:48 GMT

    The fact that the home side was not helped by LBW decisions and that this was a team without so many first-choice players should definitely be cause for worry for the English management.

  • FrankMeister on October 25, 2011, 18:45 GMT

    Cook says there were only 4 people who have played here before in ODIs... funnily the side that thrashed him 5-0 didn't have 7-8 players from the WC Final squad - so that argument doesn't hold much water.

  • on October 25, 2011, 18:43 GMT

    Thanks for accepting that you player's are not good enough and the handling of pressure was also not enough. Kudos to indian team and english fans kindly dont give your lame excuses and whine about the TEST series wins. Its the time to learn for english players and party for indian players. could have been better if they showed some fight.

  • Gupta.Ankur on October 25, 2011, 18:42 GMT

    Dear mr.Flower......if you ignore your team's performance as only in sub-continent....then you are putting paper over the cracks.....

    The problem is that can't accelerate under pressure and your bowlers depend heavily on conditions helpful for swing bowling...

    You lost even in VB series in australia........

  • muthuthewaves on October 25, 2011, 18:42 GMT

    feelin pity for england. I highly doubt whether they invented cricket. England is no match fr mighty indians. I can see bright future fr india where englands future is dumb. Quit this game and concentrate on soccer. Anyways u ppl not gonna win tat too. England are highly respected minnows which survives in the shade of luck. Not anymore.

  • anuradha_d on October 25, 2011, 18:41 GMT

    England need an onfield captain. A leader with flair and not a good-boy to execute the off-field DIRECTOR's directives. For when things go pear shaped on field, in the heat of the moment.....a leader of men is required who was missing.

    and they cannot play spin....Pak and Lanka ( their next two test tours) must have been watching and smacking their lips.

    and they don't have spinners to exploit the spining conditions and their Bresnan like tigers looked trundlers in these conditons.

    They need about 4 Finns...but had only one :(

  • Pankaj_INDIA on October 25, 2011, 18:34 GMT

    extremely sorry poms, but you seriosly cannot play ODIs at all... you didnt even give any fight... we were much better in england, and had it not been for rain, scoreline would have been 3-2 in our favour. also you guys need to have some temper, we didnt get frustrated when we were getting beaten at your backyard, but you people were just hopelessly arrogant in field. and hope your media came to real life now, after all the hype around so called new world beaters (who just win matches at home/friendly conditions...)

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  • Pankaj_INDIA on October 25, 2011, 18:34 GMT

    extremely sorry poms, but you seriosly cannot play ODIs at all... you didnt even give any fight... we were much better in england, and had it not been for rain, scoreline would have been 3-2 in our favour. also you guys need to have some temper, we didnt get frustrated when we were getting beaten at your backyard, but you people were just hopelessly arrogant in field. and hope your media came to real life now, after all the hype around so called new world beaters (who just win matches at home/friendly conditions...)

  • anuradha_d on October 25, 2011, 18:41 GMT

    England need an onfield captain. A leader with flair and not a good-boy to execute the off-field DIRECTOR's directives. For when things go pear shaped on field, in the heat of the moment.....a leader of men is required who was missing.

    and they cannot play spin....Pak and Lanka ( their next two test tours) must have been watching and smacking their lips.

    and they don't have spinners to exploit the spining conditions and their Bresnan like tigers looked trundlers in these conditons.

    They need about 4 Finns...but had only one :(

  • muthuthewaves on October 25, 2011, 18:42 GMT

    feelin pity for england. I highly doubt whether they invented cricket. England is no match fr mighty indians. I can see bright future fr india where englands future is dumb. Quit this game and concentrate on soccer. Anyways u ppl not gonna win tat too. England are highly respected minnows which survives in the shade of luck. Not anymore.

  • Gupta.Ankur on October 25, 2011, 18:42 GMT

    Dear mr.Flower......if you ignore your team's performance as only in sub-continent....then you are putting paper over the cracks.....

    The problem is that can't accelerate under pressure and your bowlers depend heavily on conditions helpful for swing bowling...

    You lost even in VB series in australia........

  • on October 25, 2011, 18:43 GMT

    Thanks for accepting that you player's are not good enough and the handling of pressure was also not enough. Kudos to indian team and english fans kindly dont give your lame excuses and whine about the TEST series wins. Its the time to learn for english players and party for indian players. could have been better if they showed some fight.

  • FrankMeister on October 25, 2011, 18:45 GMT

    Cook says there were only 4 people who have played here before in ODIs... funnily the side that thrashed him 5-0 didn't have 7-8 players from the WC Final squad - so that argument doesn't hold much water.

  • xylo on October 25, 2011, 18:48 GMT

    The fact that the home side was not helped by LBW decisions and that this was a team without so many first-choice players should definitely be cause for worry for the English management.

  • kumarcoolbuddy on October 25, 2011, 18:49 GMT

    Win and loss are part of the game but atleast now everyone should accept the truth that a team cannot be great or greatest by just winning in their favorable conditions especially when everything is in their favor.

  • on October 25, 2011, 19:04 GMT

    hehe.. losers are suppose to lose...

  • Grannyluvsdub on October 25, 2011, 19:07 GMT

    Amazing, truly amazing. All credit to Andy Flower for being straight. I'm as hacked off as anyone that the series was lost in such pitiful fashion but I can't remember the last time I heard a captain, coach or 'spokesperson' from any sport actually say 'we were cr*p, we need to go away and think about what went wrong and then we'll come back to you with a plan for putting it right'.

    I'm sure they all do it in reality but please, but when talking to the media after the game, I've had enough of the rubbish platitudes that don't actually mean anything.