India v England, 1st Test, Ahmedabad, 2nd day

England slump after Pujara double ton

The Report by David Hopps

November 16, 2012

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England 41 for 3 (Cook 22*, Pietersen 6*) trail India 521 for 8 dec (Pujara 206*, Sehwag 117, Yuvraj 74, Swann 5-144) by 480 runs
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Cheteshwar Pujara guided India briefly with 48, India v New Zealand, 2nd Test, Bangalore, 4th day, September 3, 2012
File photo: On day two in Ahmedabad, Cheteshwar Pujara made his first Test double hundred (ESPNcricinfo is not carrying live pictures due to curbs on the media) © Associated Press
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After the certainty of Cheteshwar Pujara's unbeaten double century for India, England's fallibility against spin bowling was even more painful for them to bear. India have plotted turning pitches, they opened the bowling with a spinner and in 18 overs of gathering mayhem struck three times in the closing phase of the second day. Initial evidence at least suggests that England's Asian nightmare is about to continue.

One of those three wickets was a nightwatchman - Jimmy Anderson, who prodded the left-arm spinner, Pragyan Ojha to short leg - but that was small consolation for England. Nick Compton batted reasonably securely on debut until R Ashwin, who had opened the bowling, found sharp turn to bowl him through the gate. Jonathan Trott also fell to Ashwin for a fourth-ball duck, a cast-iron push forward and another catch at short leg off bat and pad.

What a contrast this was with what had passed earlier. England knew little of Pujara before the series: a bit of a recce in a warm-up match, a few shots watched on a laptop, a provisional theory or two about how best to get him out and a worried expression or two from statisticians unable to deliver megabytes of data.

England know lots more about Pujara now. When India declared, to leave England 18 overs before the close of the second day, Pujara had batted in accomplished fashion for more eight-and-a-half hours. But they still do not have much idea how to get him out. Not on low, ponderous surfaces like this, at any rate.

When Jimmy Anderson took the first wicket by an England seamer, in the 158th over, there was an emotional argument for throwing the laptops in the skip, but England's management stared into them with the staunch, glassy-eyed futility of a touring party under enormous pressure.

The scorecard showed them that Graeme Swann, valiantly bearing an onerous responsibility as England's only specialist spinner, had maintained an immaculate line, bowling in traditional offspinner's style, to finish with 5 for 144. Swann added one more wicket on the second day, bowling MS Dhoni behind his legs, a deflection off a glove as he tried to sweep.

Pujara's progress will have had the connoisseurs purring. He played in stately and composed manner, producing a masterpiece of strategic thinking. Rahul Dravid has retired to England's relief and they have walked straight into another India batsman with an insatiable appetite for batting. It is understandable how to an Indian eye he might occasionally resemble VVS Laxman, but his mindset is pure Dravid. He bats more elegantly but, like Dravid, has no need for flourish or frippery. The man himself, looking on from the commentary box, could not fail to be mightily impressed.

Smart stats

  • Cheteshwar Pujara's 206 is his highest Test score surpassing the 159 he made against New Zealand in Hyderabad in 2012. It is also the first double-century for India against England since Rahul Dravid's 217 at The Oval in 2002.
  • India's total of 521 is their tenth 500-plus total against England overall and their fourth against England in home Tests. The previous 500-plus total at home came in Mumbai in 1993.
  • The 130-run stand between Pujara and Yuvraj Singh is the fifth-highest fifth-wicket stand in Tests in Ahmedabad.
  • R Ashwin is now the joint fourth-fastest bowler to reach the 50-wicket mark in Tests (nine Tests) and the fastest Indian bowler to reach the mark going past Anil Kumble (ten Tests).
  • Graeme Swann's five-wicket haul is his fifth in the subcontinent. His tally of 58 wickets in ten Tests is the second-highest for an England spinner in the subcontinent.

Swann apart, for England there was no encouragement. The ball refused to deviate, in the air or off the ground, for a hard-pressed seam attack as India's first innings moved inexorably forward. After the Sehwag-fuelled start on the first day, India ground on, their rate slowing. By the declaration, they had added a further 198 at 2.82 runs per over. It was a day in which India's domination was not expressed noisily but seeped into England's consciousness.

Pujara had rounded off the first day by driving Jimmy Anderson crisply through mid-off for four, a satisfying finale, but one which left him on 98 not out. England sensed an opportunity.

Stuart Broad allowed him a comfortable leg-side single to move to 99, and hammed up a vociferous lbw appeal for a ball pitching outside leg; Swann bowled an intelligent maiden. But he picked off another single in Broad's next over to reach his second Test hundred and celebrated with a quiet air of contentment. When he later reached 200 by steering Anderson past gully, the crowd were ecstatic at the success of one of Gujurat's own, but Pujara struck you as the sort of level-headed man who does not dance easily in company.

His innings, characterised by subtle placement and a sober mind, was a model of restraint and orthodoxy. How England must regret Anderson's inexplicable misjudgement when Pujara was 8, dashing forward too far at mid-on as he misjudged the flight of Pujara's leading edge against Tim Bresnan. The decline in England's fielding has been marked for some time and, as Anderson showed again, it is afflicting both the best and the worst.

The most romantic story of all failed to materialise. Yuvraj Singh made a successful return to Test cricket after treatment for cancer, but there was no comeback century, that hope ending when he was unhinged by a groin-high full toss which he whacked obligingly down to long on in the fourth over of the afternoon. Patel had the good grace to look sheepish.

Yuvraj entertained, though. His skip down the pitch to strike Swann straight for six was the shot of the morning and was followed by a sweep that fell short of six by inches. Fifteen came from the over; if India broke Swann, England really were in trouble. They never did, but Yuvraj, as a left-hander, had an appetite for Patel, an inconsequential second spinner. His place at No. 6 is justified by his adroitness against spin but, in this Test, his own left-arm slows look slightly round-arm and unthreatening.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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Posted by sachinisawesome on (November 17, 2012, 12:48 GMT)

@ JG2704 you seem to have too many cheerleaders in your country for my liking sir.

Posted by JG2704 on (November 17, 2012, 10:49 GMT)

@A_Vacant_Slip on (November 17 2012, 08:52 AM GMT) Listen we are greater architects of our downfall than India have been. Re practice matches - Eng should maybe have scheduled some matches in SL where India would have had no control on how much spin would be bowled at England etc. Maybe it is a little unsporting but we could have done things to combat that. As for "amazing good luck to win toss" - surely the toss is (or should be) 50/50 so it's hardly amazing good luck. Not selecting Monty for such a pitch , some poor fielding and poor mental/technical methods towards playing spin are 3 key areas which have nothing to do with India

Posted by JG2704 on (November 17, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

@sachinisawesome on (November 17 2012, 07:25 AM GMT) utter rubbish. While some of our cheerleaders may have commented about the pitch , most of us (regulars anyway) have bemoaned our inability to play spin in these conditions. And re "There was not a single comment on the pitch but all the people from other countries r only talking about pitch " - Are you sure about that?

Posted by JG2704 on (November 17, 2012, 10:40 GMT)

@Meety on (November 17 2012, 06:38 AM GMT) re ""Never to Tour anywhere within two thousand miles of India" EVER!" - A bit OTT there. Bell should be allowed to tour anywhere in/around SC. Just don't have him on the cricket pitch

Posted by JG2704 on (November 17, 2012, 10:40 GMT)

@thebrotherswaugh on (November 17 2012, 01:49 AM GMT) No huge surprise to many inside the UK either

Posted by   on (November 17, 2012, 10:27 GMT)

Cheteshwar Pujara was born on Jan 25,1988.He is strongly lucky 2 and 7.His birth number is 7.His fate number is 34(3+4=7).To have the same birth number and fate number gives a strong personality.Birth number and fate number of Roger Federer is 8.He turns 25 next year(2+5=7). That will be one of the most significant period in his career and life. His double century was on 16th(1+6=7).

Posted by A_Vacant_Slip on (November 17, 2012, 8:52 GMT)

Well India should be proud of itself today; deny opposition chance to have practice game against spin bowler opposition on normal India pitch. Then create "designer pitch" at Ahmedabad and have amazing good luck to win toss. This is India at it's best. Bravo India whole world respect the spirit here. I for one will now disregard this charade of a series.

Posted by sachinisawesome on (November 17, 2012, 7:37 GMT)

I used to think that Anderson, bresnon and broad are bowlers with big heart but it was really painful to see their shoulder drop after first 5 overs. As a fast bowler u should have a big heart to run in over after over even if u are not getting any purchase from the wicket. I don't see any bowler today who does that. Broad was almost crying and anderson didn't even want to bowl. Now I have new found respect for Indian fast bowlers. They are criticized so much yet they keep their cool and not cry. And I feel Ishant is the only bowler who will bowl all day with a big heart not that I am implying that he is a great bowler. I miss bowlers like Mcgrath and Wasim. They neven used to cry over pitch. They used to make things happen that's the reason they are considered great.

Posted by sachinisawesome on (November 17, 2012, 7:25 GMT)

Some of the comments that I have been reading by English fans are really disheartening. And I really respect Indian fans now. When India lost to England we really bashed our players. There was not a single comment on the pitch but all the people from other countries r only talking about pitch. I am enjoying this match and infact SA vs Aus match was really boring.

Posted by groundreality on (November 17, 2012, 6:58 GMT)

All England whiners, your "perfect" pitches didn't have anything for spinners. Even Narine who normally spins the ball a mile did not get any. Swann gets wickets there because he rarely uses spin to get wickets. Now how are England pitches sporting and Indian pitches not so?

Posted by A..G.. on (November 17, 2012, 6:40 GMT)

@mixters: If on a pitch one team bats out for 2 days and declare, then the other team loses 20 wickets in quick succession.. you cant blame the curator perhaps. It needs tremendous skill to survive in unfamiliar conditions... India lacked it in England ... now England is showing they are no better either. Come on England.. admit it.. rather than complaining and making ridiculous excuses... "The ball spins more when it is hard"

Posted by VillageBlacksmith on (November 17, 2012, 6:40 GMT)

I have been saying it for years and have been proved right yet and yet again... After an ave of 8 vs Pak, Bell shows yet again why he is always the gutless weakest link, todays innings the latest in a long line of weak & clueless attempts at batting. He will leave the tour after this innings thank goodness, and I hope he never returns, time for bairstow to take his place, morgan for patel and monty for the Ian Austin lookalike and bowlalike bresnan. No lessons have been learnt it seems Mr Flower, after your big proclaimation in Sri Lanka.

Posted by Meety on (November 17, 2012, 6:38 GMT)

@ jb633 /jg2704 - I take back everything I said about England building momentum from the tour matches! 7/100 is terrible. When Oz had that small incident in Newlands in November last year, I was highly critical of the way Haddin got out! At least it wasn't as bad as Bell's! He should be stamped "Never to Tour anywhere within two thousand miles of India" EVER! I may stand corrected a year or two from now, but I really don't rate Ashwin & Ojha highly, yet they have pantsed your mob & basically made me look like a fool! LOL! That said, if all the pitches are like this one, & England lose 4nil, I won't GAIN any more respect of the Indian side as a whole. Regardless of the pitch - Pujarra is a class act!

Posted by jmcilhinney on (November 17, 2012, 6:36 GMT)

@heathrf1974 on (November 17 2012, 03:57 AM GMT), I really think that England and India both need to think hard about the sort of pitches they play on at home because they are both being hindered away. Obviously the climate plays a big part but if England don't have some pitches to encourage spinners at home then their batsman will rarely play against good spin until they reach the international level and they will learn to play spin in a way that doesn't work on subcontinental picthes. That's exactly what we're seeing here yet again. India is in a similar situation but the other converse.

Posted by   on (November 17, 2012, 6:36 GMT)

@davidatlas999 I am not saying they will succeed. But you can see a glimpse of hope when you find players like Pujara does have the temperament and technique to play at the highest level. I remember his debut test against Australia and had a fine 2nd inning fifty.

India have produced the great wall and little master who succeeded everywhere. Rohit and Kohli whatever little chances they have got done pretty okay outside India.

Posted by Denor on (November 17, 2012, 6:32 GMT)

Will be interesting to see comments from Mr. Naseer Firing Hussain. How does he rate current English team? Does he have any suggestion for sinking team? He must have searching for a place to hide himself.

The current situation is answer to all critics who criticizes a team in adverse situation.

Posted by   on (November 17, 2012, 6:30 GMT)

india are playing practise matches better than england.. atleast trying to win.. ind practising for ind vs pak series..

Posted by kingcobra85 on (November 17, 2012, 6:24 GMT)

England's famous whinners are here in full number to start their prelude against how bad the pitch is! Why didnt you care to share your concern about pitch when its seaming all over the place and offered no spin in England. Where is the balance then ? Why keep spinners out of the matches in England ? Coin has two sides and both are different it cannot be the same. Get used to this thumping for the next 17 days of cricket

Posted by PrasPunter on (November 17, 2012, 6:23 GMT)

mediocre batsmen scoring lots of runs !! flat tracks and rank-turners !! india has arrived !!

Posted by CricketforOlympics on (November 17, 2012, 6:22 GMT)

Excuse me, But England should stop playing test cricket If they can't handle the Spinners. Looking at the way today Spin bowling have been quite potent claiming more wickets than fast bowlers in the history of test cricket or other formats , such an inability is rather awful.

Posted by sweetspot on (November 17, 2012, 6:21 GMT)

@heathrf1974 - Yes, and India will get there double quick if England visit often. Thank you very much.

Posted by groundreality on (November 17, 2012, 6:19 GMT)

Yeh England talk nah.

Seriously England fans, we're waiting for some real answers. And yeah from Swann too.

And @heathrf1974, a little bit of shame won't hurt. On "these" type of pitches, India made 500+, while your "great" team is struggling to reach 100. This is a difference in class, nothing to do with the pitch.

Posted by Meety on (November 17, 2012, 6:00 GMT)

Well this is pretty ordinary. It would appear only a miracle can save England from another 1st Test massacre! Honestly Bell's dismissal, IS the softest, MOST pathetic dismissal I've seen since Haddin @ Newlands. Here's me thinking that England had built some momentum into the series. Poor batting! That said, pitches that perform like this one did on Day 1 is the reason India's cricket team will never get due respect.

Posted by CricketFundas on (November 17, 2012, 5:56 GMT)

@heathrf1974 If England keep creating green pitches they'll have a good home record, but will never again reach number 1 in test cricket. Unless they just stay at home for two years.

Posted by Mervo on (November 17, 2012, 5:52 GMT)

My goodness - Yardav got one over! This test will go down as one of the most concocted wickets of all time, along side Manchester in 1956 to suit off spinner Jim Laker's spin and where he took 9 wickets in the first innings and 10 wickets in the second innings. So it can spin in England ... Never again, until now, have we seen such a wicket. Well done India. Now can we have some proper balanced cricket please?

Posted by swaroopjammula on (November 17, 2012, 5:41 GMT)

@heathrf1974 if that is so then same goes with england. they also need to change their wickets and need to know how to play spin. otherwise they also cannot be no 1

Posted by IndianSRTfan on (November 17, 2012, 5:36 GMT)

Any more ppl saying its a flat pitch??? Its not whiners, playing quality spin is difficult. England simply don't have skills. Pitch is secondary.

Posted by sweetspot on (November 17, 2012, 5:29 GMT)

@lala88 - IF DRS was in play, Alastair Cook would have gone earlier than he did and Samit would have gone LBW to Ashwin. Immaterial. Both sides have the same advantage and disadvantage. Seriously this DRS argument should be left to kids below 10 years of age.

Posted by iluvtest on (November 17, 2012, 5:13 GMT)

@heathrf1974 dear sir, the same can be said about England. Why they are unable to make turning track similar to what they face in sub-continent in England and get used to play on it?The same can be applied to others also.Do you think it is possible?I think it is not possible and that's why not done. The climate plays a lot as well as the soil and elevation of the ground.India is well with in the norms of the game to prepare any ground they desire just like England does and a test player should be able to play TURNING ball as well as seaming ball.

Posted by   on (November 17, 2012, 5:08 GMT)

So why do we keep cribbing about India doing well on home pitches, England ,Australia , West Indies, N.Z , everyone seems to do well only on home conditions , So how is England going to be number 1 , if they can only play seam , and can not play spin.

Posted by   on (November 17, 2012, 5:08 GMT)

@heathrf1974- if England keep making swinging wickets they will never have good subcontinent record, be the change you want to see, we just saw your wickets how suitable it was for your bowlers now it is our turn.

Posted by Shan156 on (November 17, 2012, 5:03 GMT)

Of course, full credit to India for their superb performance. Pujara, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Ojha, and Ashwin have been excellent. There is no reason why they can't convert this performance in an away test.

Posted by testcricket_lover on (November 17, 2012, 5:03 GMT)

@ Poms .It's the time to hibernate...Even Zimbabwe team can score better than this English team.

Posted by Shan156 on (November 17, 2012, 5:00 GMT)

It is official people; England are, indeed, the worst players of spin bowling. This is by no means a dustbowl. Mr.Bell, what sort of a shot was that to play your first ball? Pathetic. I was doubting if England could reach Pujara's score, now I doubt they will reach Sehwag's. I don't think they will manage to score 206 in two innings. Diabolical batting. In 26 years of watching cricket, I have never seen England play worse as they have played in the UAE and here. First, the poor choice to play Bresnan instead of Panesar and now this absolutely hopeless batting collapse. One would have thought they would have learnt after consistent poor performances in the sub-continent but apparently not.

Posted by himohan007 on (November 17, 2012, 4:59 GMT)

CricInfo Commentry "It's about 15,000 people shouting for the lbw. If this stadium had a roof, it would have come off." That shows how much love all three formats of cricket. Now back off you all false prophets.

Posted by himohan007 on (November 17, 2012, 4:50 GMT)

@ Robert Ramsden: I do pay mate to see the dance of the jokers.Mama I love it

Posted by himohan007 on (November 17, 2012, 4:26 GMT)

@ GRVJPR Well said mate. But will the pommys read n realize ur constructive point.

Posted by path_finder_13 on (November 17, 2012, 4:24 GMT)

@ Hammond man u are here .....again i thought u were not watching.......

Posted by silly_pt on (November 17, 2012, 4:17 GMT)

It'll be premature to comment anything regarding the match knowing that KP and cook are capable of handling spin and batting long hours but still. I think main problem with England is their psyche. Winning in India seems to be far less important to them than winning Ashes. If only they can change this attitude and try wholeheartedly, they can expect to win. Re pitch It's fine except that there's low bounce (It's definitely isn't a rank turner). But had there been more bounce then batting would've been easier and India would've scored at least 100 more in same time. The reason for English seamers not succeeding is not the pitch but skills. You cannot use same tactics as you use on seaming pitches to get wickets here. Otherwise likes of Mcgrath, Gillespie, Wasim and Waqar would've never succeeded here. Finally superb batting from pujara. I won't be surprised if he plays equally well overseas too. Cricinfo please publish.

Posted by path_finder_13 on (November 17, 2012, 4:10 GMT)

@Barry Glynn bell averages 17.5 in india lanka pakistan and UAEcombined in tests.....preety good ..hmmm......

Posted by heathrf1974 on (November 17, 2012, 3:57 GMT)

If India keep creating these pitches they'll have a good home record, but will never again reach number 1 in test cricket. Unless they just stay at home for two years.

Posted by path_finder_13 on (November 17, 2012, 3:53 GMT)

@ Simon Timothy the ghosts of UAE ajmal and rehman are back pomy this time by the mane of ashwin and ojha..........

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (November 17, 2012, 3:53 GMT)

Is Sachin playing as a batsman or a bowler??? It's time to drop SRT and bring a real batsman, or bowler.

Posted by GRVJPR on (November 17, 2012, 3:23 GMT)

Out of last 16 tests that India have won in India, India have lost 12 tosses. They won it despite opposition putting 350 plus on board. If you have skills and determination and patience you can win. But it need all of that. That's why when Sehwag scores 294 in a day against Murali and reverse swinging malinga, and when Laxman takes on Shane warne from the rough and converts a loss into win, need to be respected. It's not only about palyin up and down and swinging ball, it's also about handling turning, jumping ball from the rough

Posted by jmcilhinney on (November 17, 2012, 3:18 GMT) on (November 16 2012, 23:17 PM GMT), you're just making things up. When did Swann say that the Indian spinners were amateurish? The answer is never. What he said was that they are very good but don't have the same so-called "mystery" element as someone like Ajmal. He's quite correct in that regard. The question is whether it will take such mystery to dislodge the England batsman. So far, the signs are not good for England. It's early days yet though. We'll know more later today. If England can bat out the day with a batsman or two still at the crease then a draw is on the cards. If they fold like they did in UAE then it will take a big effort to get back in the series.

Posted by mixters on (November 17, 2012, 2:37 GMT)

@ Sundar Subbarayan My friend that is a wonderful idea it would put to bed all this constant carry on about local pitch conditions. The equation is simple all countries yes even India and England will prepare pitches to benifite themselves. If that results in a 3 day test then the grounds man has let the people who own the sport( The viewing fans) down.

Posted by spot_on on (November 17, 2012, 2:18 GMT)

English and Indian fans... stop spraying ---- at each other.. Let's enjoy the game.. The pitch is a rank turner from day two.. TBH I'm more interested to see Ojha bowl than Ashwin. He turns the ball awesome cool.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (November 17, 2012, 1:58 GMT)

Today looks like being a crucial day for the series. If England can put in some fight and pass the follow-on mark with 5 or 6 down then, while they may even still lose the game, there will be some positives to take from the match and some genuine hope that some personnel might make a genuine difference. If they crumble then India will be on a high and England as a team will be having flashbacks to UAE and it's going to be a hard slog to get up psychologically for the rest of the series. Their catching is really issue #1 though. Even with having bowled below their best, they may well have had India all out for below 300 if they'd taken their chances. You just can't keep giving the opposition lives and expect to win.

Posted by   on (November 17, 2012, 1:56 GMT)

The fact Mahendra Singh Dhoni took 37 balls in playing 38 minutes while scoring 'five' (5) runs can tell quite a lot. He had very torrid time in facing English bowlers, more so, Gramme Swann. Is is lacking a desire to stay long on the wicket, or he is unable to read the ball, move his feet and play accordingly. ? Or is he paying the price of not having a match practice for nearly a month ?? Come on Indian media, you must come with the answer. !

Posted by lala88 on (November 17, 2012, 1:49 GMT)

Yuvraj should be given out in the second ball of the day.If so pujara was not be able to score double ton. Now understand why india oppose to DRS

Posted by thebrotherswaugh on (November 17, 2012, 1:49 GMT)

No surprise to anyone outside of the UK that the Poms would struggle in India. Swann bowled surprisingly well, but the rest of those pie-hurlers were true to form. The much vaunted batting & bowling of ENG has been shown up by all and sundry over the last 12-months - 3 nil to IND - can't wait for the Ashes!!!

Posted by   on (November 17, 2012, 1:37 GMT)

Interesting the replies of indians fans when i said Kp will make a triple 100 obviously i made a error he will break brian lara's record and cook will make a double 100 indians prepare a spinning wicket well we will make you pay

Posted by   on (November 17, 2012, 1:35 GMT)

looking forwad for kp today entertainment guarantee

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (November 17, 2012, 1:34 GMT)

It's too early to say but I think the problem with Aswin and the English pacemen in the first test are similar. They found that the pitch did not suit their style and tried too many things. Instead of sticking to a plan they tried things that they would not do. When you have a plan you can practice in the nets for the necessary skills and then execute them in the match. That is where a good coach plays a big part. A good coach is supposed to create a plan of action that would work, maybe plan B and C as well and then make sure that enough effort is put in the nets to execute those plans.

Posted by Lermy on (November 17, 2012, 1:10 GMT)

I have to take it all back. Maybe this is a results pitch after all. Just that England's attack is simply not suited to the pitch. They refuse to pick outside the squad that performs everywhere else. But these conditions are totally different. Oh well, there's nothing to stop England producing helpful green wickets at home to redress the balance and blow India out of the water. Never mind neutral umpires, anyone for neutral groundsmen???

Posted by piyo_thanda_jiyo_thanda on (November 17, 2012, 1:04 GMT)

@cool2cool,, indirockz etc. are really pulling english players' and fans' legs. Very funny LOL.

Posted by Nish_US on (November 17, 2012, 1:03 GMT)

Guys do not celebrate already....the stalwarts cook and KP are still out there

Posted by darsh127 on (November 17, 2012, 0:47 GMT)

Wanna hear a joke? India's struggle overseas. Wanna hear another joke? Englands ability to play spin. Tbh, I am very proud of indias performance and also feel that england haven't lost just yet. but what i am very concerned is about my fellow indians who are being really over confident and making disrespectful comments. I am ashamed this is happening and i would really like to say srry to english fans behalf of our indians. Cmon guys, this is not the spirit of the game. Just Enjoy the game and complement each other. plz english fans, the people who right on cricinfo are only a minority of the fans and i hope you don't judge all indians based on this.

Posted by indirockz on (November 17, 2012, 0:41 GMT)

@ Simon Timothy - Hold on that thought mate. We'll revisit you tomorrow when KP scores a triple ton as you said

Posted by LetThereBeLogic on (November 17, 2012, 0:40 GMT)

@SCC08 :Dude, seems like you don't know cricket. Well if young Pujara is scoring 206* and Sehwag murdered your bowlers with 117 at a SR of 100. Isn't that bowling pathetic? As of Sachin, not everyone scores always. He did play a rash shot and got out. But how logical is this to compare Sachin's failure when your bowlers got bashed? And btw, talk about your players. We all respect Kallis as an all-rounder. Sachin is great we don't need your certifcate, in fact we don't care what your useless opinion is for him. So suck it up. And calm down. There will be many more bad days coming on this tour. Save your petty explanations for them it will keep is entertained with your lack of logic. BTW, is everyone in England so void of logic like you? lol

Posted by   on (November 17, 2012, 0:38 GMT)

Dust bowl vs. Green top can be neutralized if the toss rules were altered. Most stadiums have two or more pitches. How about this scenario - each team gets to prepare a pitch according to their needs. The team that wins the toss gets first dibs at choosing (1) either a pitch or (2) decide to bowl or bat first. The team that loses the toss makes the second choice. This way you may get to see matches on green tops in the sub-continent or dust bowls down under. Merely proposing this as food for thought to get a discussion going.

Posted by Puffin on (November 16, 2012, 23:44 GMT)

please stop blaming the wicket or the horrid Indians for creating a wicket that suits them better than England. Does anyone really expect them to see a touring team visit with a decent pace attack and then supply them with the means to their own demise? And vice versa, of course.

It's only a flat wicket if you've picked the wrong bowlers.

Posted by La_Bangla on (November 16, 2012, 23:40 GMT)

@maddy20 - very well compiled response. Amen!!!

Posted by dunger.bob on (November 16, 2012, 23:28 GMT)

What this game needs now is an old fashioned fight back from the English. Can they do it ? I would say yes. Will they do it ? Probably not. .. I'm not going to ridicule the Poms because I know that my guys are just as inept against quality spin AND I agree with those posters who say the onus should be on the visitors to adapt. I really can't see the point of whining about pitches (that applies to both sides btw) because its there and it is what it is. The only way forward is to man-up and try your level best to come to grips with the conditions. Truly great players can do that and the ability to prosper on a variety of surfaces is what makes them great. .. this pitch might be a bit low and slow but so what !! Its not dangerous and it certainly throws up some different questions for the players so is it really that bad a wicket ? ... like I said, suck it up and get on with it.

Posted by on (November 16, 2012, 23:17 GMT)

Indian Spinners are amateur; right Mr.Swann? Problem?

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 23:16 GMT)

Swaroop I'm a groundsman and I do know about pitches. You are talking rubbish Pal. The reason the pitches are like that out there is because that's the way Dhoni wants them and I don't blame him for that. I wish I had the Indian climate here in the Uk, then I could produce some quick pitches. England are not good against spin just as the Indians are not much good on faster pitches with some carry and some seam movement. Also the Indians do not produce many decent quick bowlers. Who would want to be a quick bowler out there on those pitches! English batsmen are normally rivited to the crease apart from KP and Bell to a lesser extent.

Posted by cool2cool on (November 16, 2012, 23:06 GMT)

Why 'United 11' haven't imported 2-3 good spin playing batsmen from Sub-Continent yet?

Posted by cyborg on (November 16, 2012, 22:55 GMT)


Posted by cool2cool on (November 16, 2012, 22:55 GMT)

@Mervo: Get your facts right, mate. 1] English spinner first bowled a first over of a test match in the history. 2] India was never white-washed by SA, in fact they came very close to winning a series in 2011 in SA. 3] Why England is yet to win a test series in India for last 25 odd years? 4] Why England had defeats like 5-1, 5-0, 5-0 even in ODI in India? (I know your answer already for this, England don't give muchattention to ODIs.)

Posted by yorkslanka on (November 16, 2012, 22:52 GMT)

@tommytucker- end of test cricket, for using the most appropriate bowlers to teh conditions?sounds sensible to me... as for England, they need to attack the spin bowling rather than just trying to keep the ball out..lack of DRS does not help either...

Posted by maddy20 on (November 16, 2012, 22:40 GMT)

@ richardror We will take 4 innings defeats instead buddy. Thats a lot worse than two innings defeats isn't it? As for tactics, Eng atleast got three warmups, where as we got only one. Atleast Yuvraj bowled against them in the warmups, where as none of the regular English XI that played the first test were playing in the warm ups. If you had come here expecting Ashwin to bowl at you in the warm ups then Broad or Anderson should have bowled at us when we got there. As for 700, its still Early days amigo. Lots more to come. And hey atleast we put up some sort of fight in the first two tests. England have largely dug their own grave here. Of the many catches they dropped, dropping Pujara on 8 was the game changer. As if thats not Enough they picked Cannon fodder Bresnan instead of a second specialist spinner. Defies both logic and common sense. One cannot blame anyone else for making silly mistakes. Trott appealing for catch after picking the ball up from the ground was hilarious too!

Posted by cool2cool on (November 16, 2012, 22:37 GMT)

@richardror: Then as per your logic, India beat England in England in 2007, England haven't beaten India in India for last 25 odd years. So which is a better team, mate? (@All: I am just replying to richardror's comment, please read his comment before replying to me.)

Posted by AK47_pk on (November 16, 2012, 22:16 GMT)

Preparing a spinning track is not a bad idea in subcontinent cuz our batsmen are always get fast green tracks in england, sa , nz nd australia BUT at the same time wicket shud have some bounce too. This wicket is so dull bowlers. No bounce at all. Plz dnt kill fast bowling in subcontinent by preparing such pitches.

Posted by Full-Blooded-Wallop on (November 16, 2012, 22:13 GMT)

@SCC08 Dustbowls...rank turners..Say whatever. But this is just a slow pitch with a decent amount of turn, nothing else. And anyways whatever be the kind of pitch one team has to play better than another to win the match And if it was a dustbowl like wankhede where clarke picked truck loads of wickets..England would have been all out twice in 18 overs ;)

Posted by JG2704 on (November 16, 2012, 22:04 GMT)

@Peterincanada on (November 16 2012, 16:12 PM GMT) And there's a strong possibility there might not have been AS many runs on the board in the 1st place had Monty been selected. Is it pure coincidence that Swann was thee only Eng bowler who looked the slightest bit threatening?

Posted by JG2704 on (November 16, 2012, 22:04 GMT)

@PPL11 on (November 16 2012, 17:30 PM GMT) To be fair they are more spin friendly pitches as opposed to pace friendly but then the obvious thing to do 1st of all is to pick 2 spinners and also to develop a better technique of playing spin. (We) England have failed on both counts

Posted by JG2704 on (November 16, 2012, 22:04 GMT)

@jb633 (15.57) -, me too. I suppose with Nick (and maybe a bit of Somerset bias here) he did get out to a fairly decent delivery that went through the gate and I suppose he was playing a forward defensive shot and I suppose Compton was an unknown. I worry more about Bell who is yet to bat , but what annoys me most is hearing the "lessons learned" stuff from some of our players. It's almost like a phobia. KP (love him or hate him) at least showed a bit of positive intent and if more batsmen did that we would not have the situation of having men round the bat all the time. And yes , we wouldn't play Monty on a pacers pitch in English conditions so why does it not work the same with batsmen. Re your follow up post though - I think Strauss has a good record in India so maybe UAE/SL was more form than anything. Pretty much agree with all you've posted on the series so far

Posted by JG2704 on (November 16, 2012, 22:03 GMT)

@i_witnessed_2011 on (November 16 2012, 15:38 PM GMT) Maybe you're right. As a Somerset fan I have huge respect for Nick and although he got out to a decent ball , maybe he needs to adapt better to succeed in India etc. Nick has improved immensely by studying the game so hopefully he'll adapt.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 21:58 GMT)

Just because the slow bowler/spinners are picking up wickets, English fans are not liking it and complaining on silly things. Cricket is not just facing Fast Swinging deliveries. It needs skill to negotiate the turners as well. The team that adapts to it will come out as the winner. Don't try to blame it on pitch just satisfy your inner ego...

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 21:53 GMT)

Every English fan complains about the pitch... What a joke?? Do you guys know how pitches are made?? Do you guys know the weather conditions in Sub Continent?? Do you guys know what kind of a soil is available here?? If we prepare green tops, they become dead rubbers at the end of 2nd day due to the heat, humidity and weather conditions. Then neither seamers, nor spinners will have any role to play in the match. Ultimately, with batsmen enjoying the pitch, every match will be drawn. Where is the contest then?? Hence, all the sub continent pitches are made in this way to last the entire 5 days. Don't expect the conditions to be like where it rains almost through out the year with temp never hitting even 30 degrees celcius...

Posted by rickyvoncanterbury on (November 16, 2012, 21:46 GMT)

The Australians were 3 for 40 against South Africa and fought back well, do the English have the same fight in them, probably but not the skill.

Posted by cool2cool on (November 16, 2012, 21:41 GMT)

@Simon Timothy: I agree, he is English and hence knows how to play spin.

Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (November 16, 2012, 21:37 GMT)

@Sean McWilliams. Thanks for the history lesson. Initially we also thought the world was flat and that the best way to do high jump was chest first. Just because it was done first, doesnt mean its the best.

@Rebel_Who_Follows_All_The_Rules. It doesnt matter which country you are from because you should be envious of our attack. Dont let 1 test match on a placid pitch be the judge of talent. Its been a consistently good attack abroad, prove time and time again, undefeated away from home in 8 years. SA got smacked around, played with 10 men and still got a draw...your logic please???

Posted by kr_kinshuk on (November 16, 2012, 21:32 GMT)

and it's incredible how a pitch isn't deemed sporting if it doesn't offer conventional swing to the seamers.... but so many english pitches that render spinners useless aren't subjected to this criticism...

face it guys all pitches r not the same.... nd fr the overall good of the game it's better if it stays that way... nd if u can't adapt to different conditions then ur side's very very ordinary.....

btw, from what i remember india at least won a series in england a few years back.... but their reign at the top was constantly questioned... y didn't u apply the same yardsticks to the english side?????

Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (November 16, 2012, 21:29 GMT)

@Hobbart. I guess my name didnt give it away that Im a saffa supporter. South Africa is a country in africa, pop, 48 million, current No.1 in world Test cricket.

Posted by richardror on (November 16, 2012, 21:25 GMT)

Unless India win 4-0 (which won't happen) England are still superior as they won 4-0 at home! Which was actually fairer as they didn't use underhand tactics in the warm ups, and it wasn't a case of win the toss, win the match. And i don't see India getting 700 + !!!!!

Posted by kr_kinshuk on (November 16, 2012, 21:23 GMT)

this pitch is not hugely spin-friendly.... in fact, if kp gets going there's no reason y england can't draw this game.... plus indian pitches over the years have tended to slow down over five days making the job actually more difficult for the indian spinners specially when the other side's playing merely for a draw....

btw, the brits can continue to live in denial but its funny how u can mock the indians for their struggles on quick seaming nd swinging wickets when u urself have such an obviously mediocre side which looks all at sea the moment the pitch starts offering even a hint of turn?????

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (November 16, 2012, 21:05 GMT)

Great knock by Pujara. Well it looks like another whitewash for England. Captains/Coaches come and go, but the boring, useless tactics remain. Obvious that India were going to go for spin-friendly pitches, and England STILL pick only one spinner, two seamers, and Broad who has not been performing all year. Yes Patel and Pietersen can pitch in a little, but not good enough for test cricket. And then there's the batting... O.K. Compton was done by a beauty; but Trott was lazy; I never liked the use of nightwatchman, and this innings strengthens my hatred for it. I can't see England changing their strategies despite the same stupid mistakes, and for this reason it's total domination by India this series IMO.

Posted by SCC08 on (November 16, 2012, 20:41 GMT)

So all you Indian fans abusing this current "weak" / "tired" English attack.. Care to explain why your "Great" Sachin failed AGAIN. Jacques Kallis is a much better player! Fact

Posted by Mervo on (November 16, 2012, 20:38 GMT)

This was a toss to win! One has to feel for poor Yadav. He can't even carry the drinks. Puts his whites each morning and does not bat and does not bowl. India opened with a spinner! How unreal is that? A new game is born - Spin Cricket. No more Test Cricket. No other skills are needed. Well they can keep it, and their 'white washes' abroad (England , Australia and South Africa) will continue accordingly.

To say England are fast track bullies is complete nonsense. They did well in Australia in Sydney and Adelaide, both tracks with lots of spin. Aswin however, did not do well at these venues... There must be a story there ...

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 20:30 GMT)

can't some english fans here just make some sense....i mean seriously how is that a pitch which is not comfortable for you is ruining test cricket and how showing innovation to open the bowling with spin is ripping test cricket.guys when indian team wasn't able to play on green wickets we didn't say pitch is pathetic or that i went to sleep as soon as i saw the pitch made for home side only.we accepted that our batsmen couldn't play in seem conditions but you guys are just impossible or should i say please stop complaining and making useless excuses

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 20:22 GMT)

People keep saying spin is an art in cricket etc and cricket shouldn't be all about swing and seam...correct. But cricket should not be just about spin either, their should be a balance but to produce a service so biased to spin and to suckh a disadvantage to quick bowling is ridiculous. Seeing a new ball bounce twice through to the keeper in the first over of a test match off of a 85-90mph quick bowler should never happen! By all means provide a turning pitch but at least give something for the quicks to play with otherwise we might as well play no quickjs and a full team of spinners and nobody wants to see or pay money to see that. If pitches like this keep getting produced, the fans will go away and test cricket will be in the gutter. The first 2 days have been awfully boring and dull with nobody being entertained.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 20:03 GMT)

early days yet...but the beauty about test cricket is the variety...England are masters in their backyard...India were inadequate in English forward to current time ...England is inadequate in Asian conditions...The Sub-continent teams teach them the new world of cricket...'s beautiful...adapt or perish!

Posted by drnaveed on (November 16, 2012, 20:02 GMT)

after the departure of " the wall "(dravid) , another wall (pujara) , comes into the Indian side. what ever the england captain, players, people and their media says, it is a fact that their players don't know how to play spinners at all on the turning pitches, and for that , they don't need a mystery bowler,to get them out.for the series against Pakistan they arranged special training sessions for some of their players in India, but they lost 3-0 in the series,here, the outcome will be slightly different , as it will not be 3-0 but will be 4-0 ....................stauss was a sharp man, he retired before the Indian tour, in order to keep his record clean.

Posted by drnaveed on (November 16, 2012, 20:02 GMT)

after the departure of " the wall "(dravid) , another wall (pujara) , comes into the Indian side. what ever the england captain, players, people and their media says, it is a fact that their players don't know how to play spinners at all on the turning pitches, and for that , they don't need a mystery bowler,to get them out.for the series against Pakistan they arranged special training sessions for some of their players in India, but they lost 3-0 in the series,here, the outcome will be slightly different , as it will not be 3-0 but will be 4-0 ....................stauss was a sharp man, he retired before the Indian tour, in order to keep his record clean.

Posted by Full-Blooded-Wallop on (November 16, 2012, 20:00 GMT)

@Front-Foot-Lunge: Too much optimism for convincing your mind that it's a boring pitch. I will be really surprised if england saves the innings defeat! And think from a neutrals point of view..SC pitches are as interesting as it can get.It's just that your team is not technically sound to play spin. What would you say if England bats first in next match and gets all out for 200 and India scores 500 on day 2 and 3?

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 19:56 GMT)

To be honest, had england played two spinners, in other words Swann/Panesar combination instead of Samit Patel, it would have been a different story, in my opinion. Watching the initial stages of day 2, yuvi/pujara both had their fair share of troubles against Swann. And also, playing Irfan Pathan in this test instead of Umesh Yadav could have helped both bowling and batting wise. Zak/Pathan combo is better than Zak/Yadav.

Posted by just_chill_chill on (November 16, 2012, 19:52 GMT)

@Simon Timothy : yaawwnnnnnn

Posted by nilb on (November 16, 2012, 19:38 GMT)

Same history repeating. England comes to India -> cannot play spin -> humiliating defeats -> India goes to England -> cannot bat without flat tracks (cannot play seam) -> even worst humiliating defeats -> again England comes to India -> again cannot play spin. What does this prove? England are "fast track bullies" and India are "flat track bullies"? If England are to win in India they need a better spinner that Swan or Patel.

Posted by bhadra on (November 16, 2012, 19:31 GMT)

Englishmen are Fast Track bullies. Playing Speeding and Swinging deliveries requires Confidence,Courage & Temperament. But playing Spin bowling requires Confidence,Courage, Temperament And SKILL. That is what British are missing

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 19:31 GMT)

Bring in rohit Sharma to replace sachin and we have a complete team which can beat any team in the world we will have composed classy and flamboyant 3 4 and 5........... Rohit rohit rohit rohit rohit rohit rohit rohit rohit rohit rohit rohit rohit rohit rohit rohit all the way ......

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 19:30 GMT)

Good performance from Indian batsmen's and bowlers, still we have three more days to decide the fate of the match!!! Some poor Eng fans written saying Samit Patel has more tactics than Ashwin!!! Where is that lad today!!! Its more than imp to produce results than speaking things!!!

Posted by EverybodylovesSachin on (November 16, 2012, 19:19 GMT)

What is wrong with opening bowling in Test cricket. We need result. You guys still living in the past. Stereotype test cricket need to stop.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 19:17 GMT)

Simon - Peterson would definitely have scored 300 on this pitch if he was facing England's attack. Unfortunately, he is facing India's .

Best of Luck in the next game friend.

Posted by Bodders70 on (November 16, 2012, 19:15 GMT)

Sehwag should've said we'd be quicker than Bangladesh! There is some comfort as an England fan being rubbish like in the nineties again, just need to get my mind-set back to expecting to lose and being surprised by the odd win!To be fair, I do think complaining about the lack of positivity is a bit harsh on England in this case. Being positive in the first innings is easier than in the second when the opposition's just put on 520 and you have to survive for an hour. Any side would expect to take 1-2 wickets by close in that case and I think this is just standard cricket. Enjoy your gloating though, Indian fans.

Posted by Rebel_Who_Follows_All_The_Rules on (November 16, 2012, 19:04 GMT)

@TommytuckerSaffa: Shouldn't You be more concerned that the OZ batsmen recently smashed the ''Best bowling attack in the world'' into oblivion???

Posted by SCC08 on (November 16, 2012, 19:01 GMT)

How can you justify this wicket as saving the sport? This pitch is a dust bowl, not a cricket wicket. No spinner should be opening the bowling on the 2nd day. I can get my head around 2nd innings at worst.. Play fair India or be prepared to get proper green tracks and your batsman jump like girls on your next overseas tour.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 18:49 GMT)

@Simon Timothy: KP is a world class batsman no doubt and he has every chance of making a 300 but some other batsman must stay with him for that long period of time

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 18:45 GMT)

@TommytuckerSaffa - you should try learning some of the history of Test cricket before commenting on it. The first ball in Tests was bowled by a spinner, Alfred Shaw of England. Since then, the new ball has been take by spinners on a number of occassions, especially on the subcontinent. Just because SA have only ever produced 1 truly Test class spinner (Hugh Tayfield, who you've probably never heard of) doesn't mean they aren't a worthwhile part of a bowling attack.

Posted by TendulkarDgr8 on (November 16, 2012, 18:43 GMT)

@patz101: You say English are trying to make make ammends to their record in sub continent, but I dont see them trying to prepare any spin friendly tracks in England.. How exactly then are u guys trying to make amends?? @Hammond may be if English were to show a semblance of a fight then this test might not be this boring... Many fans here are unable to understand some basics about Indian conditions... Because of the heat and ground conditions it is not practical to have a seamer friendly condition in India... If you try to go in that direction then there will be some help for the seamers on the first day morning and then it will turn out to be a completely flat track... Hence the only way to have a good contest between bat and ball in Indian conditions is to go the other way and make the tracks to be turners so that all the test matches wont end up in a draw...

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 18:42 GMT)

india is surely going to win this test match,unless England make some heroic comeback.

Posted by marlboro19 on (November 16, 2012, 18:34 GMT)

It's surprising to see so many surprised comments here. If you were to appeal to the sense of history, It's just like end of Tokugawa period in Japan. There is no supreme ruler now, all we have is bunch of mediocre teams who flourish on home conditions and subjugate away. Add to that that the mercenaries ready to flay at a moment's notice to play in various T20 leagues .It's and era of home-warriors. In my view cricket now is stratified in four layers- the good (SA), the bad ( Aus, Eng, Ind, Pak), the indifferent (Sl) and the ugly (Wi,BA,Zim) . And the good are not as good as they used to be. Fairly even play field. Ind will soon be no.1 though as they have lots of hoe series to play and only near away tour is SA, where they play quite well.So Aus to snatch the throne from SA and then surrender it t IND.

Posted by hhillbumper on (November 16, 2012, 18:15 GMT)

lets see what happens at the end of the series.Would suggest that we need to pick Monty for a bit of variation.Trott is seriously looking out of form these days

Posted by Sobhan_Sachinfan on (November 16, 2012, 18:12 GMT)

yeyeye!!!!! Tomorrow is holiday for me after 45 days long work tour... I will watch full time on STAR CRICKET...Expecting a good game of cricket. For me SACHIN batting and Test matches are more interesting than the 'hit n miss' useless T20 matches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 18:10 GMT)

mukund,rahane,pujara,unmukt chand,virat kohli,manoj tiwary,saha,ashwin,ojha,ishant,yadav and aaron.these will be the test 11 for next 10 yrs with yuvi,badrinath and gambhir as the connecting links !! its time we use our spin as our attacking weapon and ashwin and ojha shd always be in the playing 11 becoz our fast bowlers fared very poorly in aus and eng too !! eng need to bring in eoin morgan in place of samit patel,panesar in place of bresnan and finn in place of broad .eng shd be blamed first of all for going in with 3 pacers on a sub continent wicket !! what were samit patel and bresnan doing in a test team ?? they r shown where they stand in tests !!ashwin is an revelation in tests for india and people writting him off will realise that soon !! and he can bat wayy better than ajmal or swann and will finish off his career with more wickets than both of them and any day ashwin has more variations off his sleeve than any bowler in the world and write him off at your own peril !!

Posted by androyuvi on (November 16, 2012, 18:08 GMT)

It will be an interesting day tomorrow, Ashwin and Ojha trying to prove their mettle, where are good players like KP, Cook, and Bell are standing in their way. As a fan of Ashwin and India, i wish these lads perform well tomorrow. Ashwin is seriously a threat even outside India, had he been given the cushion of runs by his team mates in Australia, he would have been a different bowler. He will prove himself in the coming away tours. I wish he reveals the mystery ball only when England are absolutely on top of the spinners. If he really has one, i wish he has, he should use it against the Aussies or in SA in 2013. Good luck both the teams. England, please fight hard and make the test interesting.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 18:08 GMT)

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. KP can bat and can be scarily dominant if he sticks around. KP is also probably one of the best players of spin bowling who doesnt come from the subcontinent teams. So, hey will be key tomorrow. Cook is also a very determined batsman. So, those two are the key. Bell has struggled against spin in the UAE. Bell also seems to have concentration lapse when he scores his 50. Prior will at the most provide a quick fire 50 for entertainment. So, it aint gonna be a cakewalk for India unless the English batsmen capitulate completely.

Posted by Hobbart on (November 16, 2012, 18:01 GMT)

@TommytuckerSaffa : Would you say the same thing if England opened with a spinner and India were 45/3 ??? Just asking....all the best for the next three days, oops or is it two???

Posted by samincolumbia on (November 16, 2012, 17:57 GMT)

@Hammond - Your batsmen have no clue how to play spin. Whining and trying to ban spinning pitches is not the answer. English batsmen are pathetic players of spin. Your bowlers are only effective when there is cloud cover and rain. One-dimensional teams can win only when the conditions suit them. England got thrashed at home. Get over it.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 17:48 GMT)

@patz101 : Is it that England is playing on a different wicket?? Common, If this is a spin friendly wicket, what will happen on rank turners :D As far as performing outside their own country, India has done far better than England.. Just by Shouting 8 - 0 wont do any good for England.. May be that is what is on the way for you too..

Posted by OzWally on (November 16, 2012, 17:44 GMT)

@Scube - I'll tell you how it will be avenged. You managed to beat us twice in a row because we were just entering a re-building stage after losing 8 of our starting XI to retirement. Since we last played you, our side is now much more settled and has the best winning % of any test nation over the past 2 years. The English, with the same team (other than Strauss this series) has already dropped from #1 to #3 (and soon to be even further after the Indians are done with you).

Posted by Raki99 on (November 16, 2012, 17:42 GMT)

The pitch is just horroble and I am an indian supporter, Indian team is never gone win a series outside subcontinent. The pitch has a knee height bounce Pathetic and Eng team is patchetic too I don't know what andy flower and cook are thinking by not selecting "Sardarji" (Full Monty). forget about this test eng lets go to MUMBAI. And for all Eng supporters Calcutta and Nagpur is lost cause it will turn even bad over there then here in AMD. India can play three spinners over there with zaheer.

Posted by on (November 16, 2012, 17:40 GMT)


Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 17:35 GMT)

What surprises me most is that how on earth English can't learn art of playing spin bowling? And they think they are world beaters. Indian bowlers are going to expose their weakness on this front one more time.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 17:33 GMT)

KP will make a triple 100 on this pitch if pujara can score 200

Posted by PPL11 on (November 16, 2012, 17:30 GMT)

Some of the comments re. Spin friendly pitches are pathetic... come on Poms cricket is not all about Swing and Seam.... if it is so then ICC should ban spinners, don't forget Spin Bowling is also an art of cricket... I don't think when india is visiting Aus / Eng they get spin friendly wickets then why you guys shouting when India don't prepare seam / swing friendly... Except your are no good against good spin...

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 17:26 GMT)

he reminds me more of Rahul Dravid than laxman..his strokeplay totally resembles the wall. Good that we found another him. he seems to have a lot of potential. keep up the good work

Posted by gsingh7 on (November 16, 2012, 17:17 GMT)

@ henrik at this rate we need less than 6 hours for 17 wickets

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 17:14 GMT)

@Hammond on the contrary Indian wickets are saving the sport. For you its borking since your team is loosing LOl. Aus-SAF match was a draw due to unsporting wicket. This woicket will produce a result ;) Enough of those boring English-Aus-SA one dimensional wickets, we need turning tracks to rejuvenate cricket.

Posted by CrissCross786 on (November 16, 2012, 17:13 GMT)

@Smith Robertson India have been playing International Test cricket from 1932, from that period India have played many bowling options to the extent of playing 3 spinners and no fast bowler , how can they copy Bangladesh.

Your potshot dosent work, atleast make it logical, till then enjoy England's awesome batting :)

Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (November 16, 2012, 17:10 GMT)

Opening the bowling with spin bowling....RIP Test cricket.

Posted by ajaym55 on (November 16, 2012, 17:09 GMT)

All this talk of "Flat track bullies" & "Green top sillies" is just passionate cricket fans rhetoric. It may help to keep things in perspective. If England can save the match from here, the guy/s doing it will be bigger heroes than Pujara/Sehwag & Ashwin/Ojha. Dravid/Laxman/Tendulkar & company did it for India on many occasions. England should look forward to doing it. This is why we love test cricket. Winning is one part of it but saving a match from very difficult conditions requires as much skill.

Posted by Hobbart on (November 16, 2012, 17:03 GMT)

@ Hammond : It wouldn't seem so "scarily" boring now, would it ? How about "scarily" interesting ?

Posted by gnanzcupid on (November 16, 2012, 17:03 GMT)

Geoff boycot has said yesterday that his mum bats well that Sehwag at home. I say even ur great grandson can never bat well in the Indian subcontinent

Posted by Green_seamer on (November 16, 2012, 17:01 GMT)

@ Hammond so you mean that 41/3 is boring , perhaps 710/7d was pretty boring too wasn't it? It's not exactly the pitches fault that England picked 3 seamers on a spinners wicket. On England's batting: England plays the spinners with stiff hands & tries to push the ball towards the bowlers. They are always stuck at the crease. On the other hand the Indians use their feet & defend with soft hands. England need to learn that they cannot use the same technique against spinners on these spinning tracks.

Posted by Sobhan_Sachinfan on (November 16, 2012, 16:51 GMT)

Oh Pujara!!! Brilliant!!! What a cool and beautiful innings you played... Keep it up. I wish you grow bigger than THE WALL himself. And ENGLAND It is time you prove the world that you are a world class team can play Spin (It is also part of cricket ,after all, just not seam bowling alone). I felt pitch is a turner but it is not that bad as you can't score big. I don't rule out England now itself (so did Viru also). Don't forget KP is still out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by kitten on (November 16, 2012, 16:49 GMT)

@Henrik Loven' there are only 18 hours remaining for India to take the 17 wickets needed for the win'. I like your sense of humour. Remember India took these three wickets in only 18 overs, and that too on the second day!! The wicket will turn even more on day, three, four and five! It is good to remain positive, even though England are in a bad position. However, nothing is over 'till the fat lady sings'. Good luck England, you'll need it. KP, and Cook are fighters and I feel sure England will put up a fight, but the odds are definitely stacked in India's favour.

Posted by darryl5481 on (November 16, 2012, 16:48 GMT)

Why is such a hue and cry being made over Indians being unsporting by having spinning pitches. It is very simple the home side always plays to it's own advantage. The simple thing is this. The world knows that pitches in the subcontinent even though assisting spin are tailor made for batting as well because the ball does not seam or does not have pace on it. So all it takes is to negotiate the spin which these visiting teams can't do. On the other hand when India tour Australia or England, are they given spinning pitches to play on, NO. So no one should cry about the type of pitches available. Cricketers are paid big money for their "talents" so they are supposed to adjust to the circumstances of the pitches rather the pitches being adjusted to accommodate the cricketers.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 16:45 GMT)

@Henrik Lovén

18 hours? There are 3 full days remaining in the test match ;)

Posted by sachin_vvsfan on (November 16, 2012, 16:37 GMT)

@Hammond Boredom? Do you think the match is heading towards a draw? If the wickets are so flat then why the opposition batsmen find it hard to score? I already see some anti indian fans vanishing now. GerrardLK , FFL and some Sl fans (bMike) etc. They will appear again when second test begins.

Posted by Stark62 on (November 16, 2012, 16:31 GMT)

I'm very, very disappointed in Eng's performance!!

I was one of the few (perhaps the only one), that had put down Eng to win the series or at least draw the series but now I feel like an idiot.

Compton was very negative and let the pressure build, hence Eng should open with Trott and bring in Bairstow for Compton.

Also, drop Broad and Bresnan for Finn and Panesar for the next game.

Lastly, where is James Taylor? He looked very competent against Tahir.

Posted by sweetspot on (November 16, 2012, 16:28 GMT)

@Hammond - You're so bored of this game that you show up on every single topic to tell us what you think? Indian pitches are fine, but our guests still don't believe us when we tell them there are no landmines there!

Posted by phoenixsteve on (November 16, 2012, 16:28 GMT)

After nearly 2 days in the hot Indian sun the England boys must have been mentally and physically exhuasted and the clatter of wickets owes much to mental tiredness - more than brilliant bowling. The toss is going to be vital on this tour and an atritional mindset wil be needed. England now need to go on and on...... ala India. Tomorrow will the day to lose or save this match and some big runs from KP, Bell and Patel are called for. Neither side wants to be batting on day 5 and if England can score runs at a decent rate tomorrow things begin to look brighter. The folly of not playing specialists has been exposed and Monty and Onions should ready themselves for duty but maybe Finn will be back for the 2nd test? For me Bresnan continues to look ordinary and he needs to contribute significant runs to justify his selection. All is not lost but we are in trouble and it's time to show some English character or all could be lost? COME ON ENGLAND!!!

Posted by jb633 on (November 16, 2012, 16:16 GMT)

In terms of bowling also the line and length bowlers with little pace have never fared well on these tours. We need lads who have the pace that allow them to reverse swing the ball. I know Bres has reverse swung the ball in the past but surely the selectors will have been monitoring his pace in the nets and will know the ball will not reverse unless bowled around 85 mph minimum. It is worth taking a pun on lads who may be more wayward as long as they can get the ball to do something off the straight (in these conditions). Do the selctors expect to turn up and things will be exactly the same, Jimmy getting good shape from the off, Broady bowling bouncers at will. 2012 has been a dismal a year in English cricket and it hurts the more as we thought we had finally turned the corner of mediocrity. Looks like the tripe that we hear in the pre match is just that, tripe. Please no excuses about pitches/ weather or hotels orr. It is time we faced up to this problem in the SC and learnt

Posted by Zeshan547 on (November 16, 2012, 16:14 GMT)

What a hell is this, play at home embarrass your opposition and play away and get embarrassed. Latest trend in cricket.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 16:12 GMT)

Well this pitch has been made to support indian batting as well as bowling strength i.e SPIN FRIENDLY, but they have all the right to do so being home team. Despite a big first innings total by India and poor first innings start by England, I still believe many indian fans are a bit too excited because this English batting wont be so poor to face innings defeat. They will surely show some fight.

Posted by Peterincanada on (November 16, 2012, 16:12 GMT)

Yesterday I wrote that if Swann was happy at 323-4 he must be a masochist. Cricinfo for some reason did not publish. I wonder how he feels at 41-3 chasing 521 or what is more likely chasing 322. @JG274 I totally agree. With runs on the board it is natural there will be a lot of close fielders. The only way to remove the fielders is to use the feet and play proper cricket shots. It takes courage and technique to do this. To prod from the crease only invites the inevitable bat pad snick.

Posted by Alexk400 on (November 16, 2012, 16:11 GMT)

Everyone will have ups and down. Pujara can play. I am not sure he will be next dravid but he play faster than dravid. The question is always its easy to play when sehwag bats well and also in indian pitches. England major issue would be how they going to get pujara out in this series?. England tall medium bowlers theory did not work in India. Now England should be called green top bullies because same bowlers bowled worst than club bowlers. I wonder how they clocked 140s in england is shock to me. Pitches were taylor made for them in England. The difference i see is that except england management every english commentators know exactly whats the issue. In india sehwag will bully all visiting team. Get used to it England. Tough times ahead. That completes no real number 1 team in the world. SA attack looked toothless against Australia. England can not play spin or their bowlers can bowl in flat tracks. England really need speedster to get purchase out of these pitches.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 16:09 GMT)

India plays better in swinging conditions/pacey conditions than England do in spin conditions. English fans should never call Indian batsmen flat track bullies ever again!

Posted by 64blip on (November 16, 2012, 16:05 GMT)

Well, I think Monty will be expecting to get a game next test. Glad the Australian fans are getting excited, it will make it all the more satisfying next Ashes. This is the same team that thumped you lot with three innings defeats and they may look clueless playing spin but that's hardly going to come into the equation next year. Indian fans must be pleased to see their newcomers doing well. Maybe if they'd brought them in a bit earlier they might have avoided the debacles in England and Aus. Having said that I went to Trent Bridge and only Kumar out of the bowlers looked like he cared. Still, Cook and KP at the crease - hope springs eternal!

Posted by jb633 on (November 16, 2012, 16:05 GMT)

The selectors have simply got to move away from the orthodox "English" batsmen if we are to ever compete in the SC. Look at our players who have been successful in the SC, Thorpe, Tresco and KP. All three had their own method of playing that did not involve, plant the front leg and play with bat and pad close together. Thorpe used the sweeps and had the ability to use his feet both going forward and back. Treco like to clear his fron leg a touch and give himself room to either go over long off or deep cow if it was in his arc. KP is a unique talent who can play shots the spinners cannot legislate for. Players like Trott, Strauss, Cook (to an extent), Hussain, Bell etc are all moulded in the classical sense and the spinners have no fear of anything coming at them that is "out of the ordinary". In the SC we have got to scrap the traditional way of playing and look for players who may look quirky but have their unqiue way of making runs against slow bowling.

Posted by Cricfan_99 on (November 16, 2012, 16:00 GMT)

really funny how the English batsmen were playing spin except for cook who looked more comfortable than his teammates .... if Indian batsmen were all at sea in English exception "dravid "... looks like they re trying to prove that there s a level below that as well..not trying to rule them out of the series yet unlike some of my Indian brethren here... but looks like their agony continues against spin... such a pity as an Indian fan i support em whenever they re playing against their old foe the aussies .. just the arrogance and deplorable comments from some of their supporters stop me from doing so...good luck in India lads...hope u show some spirit even if u lose.

Posted by Akshita29 on (November 16, 2012, 16:00 GMT)

I love watching Kp . But I feel pressure might be too much for him .I am really hoping for KP to play a blinder otherwise this match is gone . I don't think Bell would make any impact . Patel may be able to score some runs . The tail would be simply blown away by Aswin and Oiha . Cook looks very passive as a captain too . England needs to bat out of their skin to save the match.

Posted by jb633 on (November 16, 2012, 15:57 GMT)

@JG207- I am seriously getting sick of watching the same errors repeated time and again. I knew we were in for a tough tour but this is not acceptable. Trott is so one dimensional and Compton looks exactly the same. I cannot understand why we do not just pick players who can play spin (regardless of how they play pace). Cricket here is a completley different kettle of fish, it is almost a different sport. Yet time and again we somehow think that players who can play seam will automtically be suited to spin also. Our best players of spin are not here, where is Taylor (he actually uses his feet properly). Really players like Compton and Trott will always struggle in these conditions because they have no shots that will put the spinners off their lengths. You have to make your scoring options against good spinners. What a load of rubbish the pre match talk was about how we can adapt (blah balh blah)> Same techniques, same attitude same old story. India winning by a landslide.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (November 16, 2012, 15:56 GMT)

Indian batting looks in good hands of Pujara and Kohli. Our selectors can relax and let 10dulkar go........There's no point in making a legend like 10dulkar struggle for a measly 10-20 runs. There are more gems like Pujara and Kohli yet to be discovered. Shikhar Dhawan can easily replace Gambhir, and Rahane can replace 10dulkar. That's the easy part. The hard part is finding a good replacement for Zaheer. I think upcoming fast bowlers like Pankaj Singh and Imtiyaz Ahmed deserve a chance instead of wicketless Ishant and high jumping Dinda.

Posted by Akshaythekaxk on (November 16, 2012, 15:55 GMT)

@hammond then don't watch it! Simple :)

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (November 16, 2012, 15:54 GMT)

this is going to be a long hard series for pacers on both sides. there's absolutely nothing in this pitch for them

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 15:54 GMT)

The beauty of test cricket lies in different kinds of pitches across the world. And it shows. To all the critics, India plays on the same pitch as England. If the English don't have enough quality to face spin or bowl spin, India can't be blamed.

This is where the best teams spread the gap from the rest. Like Steve Waugh's Aussies.

And heroes emerge in adversity. Maybe KP. Can be Cook. Till then though, its all the way INDIA. Can't wait for tomorrow.

Posted by nilesh91 on (November 16, 2012, 15:52 GMT)

i am so disappointed that 5wombat no longer comment here. hey buddy come back, England need inspiration from you and your comments.

Posted by sk12 on (November 16, 2012, 15:50 GMT)

As long as KP is there, we just cant relax. Rest of them might occupy the crease for long periods, but their scoring rate will be so low Eng cannot cross our score. Unlike KP. game over by 2nd session day 5 I would say.

Posted by yorkshirematt on (November 16, 2012, 15:50 GMT)

Firstly congratulations to Pujara. I think i left a comment during the India- NZ series that he looked very good, would be a thorn in England's side, and that he would be a part of the "post greats transition". As for England I don't know why they bother going to asia. They don't improve and don't look like they know how to improve.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 15:48 GMT)

Problem Graeme Swann ?? (After his comment about Indian Spinners before the series started)

Posted by indirockz on (November 16, 2012, 15:48 GMT)

@ Smith Robertson. Mate correct your states. India had started with Pragyan Ojha on very first over of the 1st Innings against New Zealanders several months back and anyway what are you trying to get posting such comment? It doesn't make any difference who copied who. The bottom line is poms are in big big big trouble. Congratulations to Pujara on a maiden unbeaten double ton. Let's see if he becomes Amla for India whom Poms are unable to get out few months back in a 3-match test series.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 15:47 GMT)

Pujara is extremely good for the English bowlers and highly composed. May be he is the one India is looking for.

Posted by Front-Foot_lunge on (November 16, 2012, 15:47 GMT)

We are playing like a 4th ranked team.....perhaps even worse. Need I remind England supporters that this time last year, there was a raft of biographies and tour diary's in the offing in the lead up to christmas. Players talked about being as good as Australia, there was talk about aura, about 'legacy' and almost every article in the english press had to preface any team reference with '#1 ranked test team. What a joke. Typical english cricket team, over rating their abilities and once shows a whiff of improvement, cant stop going on about how great we are. We will never be as good as Australia, we can only hope to be a bit better than them, but only in periods when they're not that good.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

If preparing spinning tracks is not sporting for English fans then, why is it that Eng team/board/groundsmen whoever it is, are preparing rain forests for the visiting teams? Besides when India toured, it was the lack of fast bowling talent in the team due to which we failed to take 20 wickets...we didn't complain about the pitches because they are supposed to be prepared the way they suit the home has to accept that England lack a quality spinner except Swann and their batsmen seem even worse and looks like they will be bowled out under 150 tomorrow compared to Indians getting to 200(except one instance) every time in Eng last year...The pitch isn't as bad as you guys think it is and you can see Pujara and Yuvraj getting runs on more or less the same is the attack that is different...

Posted by Samychennai on (November 16, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

I don't understand English mindset. Whole world won't be same condition. Conditions are different. English are expecting the battlefield should be plain where their tanks can move around , where their soldiers can use their snipers confidently. If the battlefield is desert or forest they are not sustainable against bow & arrows and camels. Still they are not ready to accept their defeat how others accept and blame the battle field. You have to prepare your soldiers to adapt the conditions and win the battle. You shouldn't ask the enemy to prepare the battlefield in your favor. If English can play well in green top pitches why they are loss the matches all the time against Australia and south Africa except few matches ??? Why they never win world cup while they are playing on green top pitches??? If Indian players are making centuries on flat pitches, then why English batsmen can't?? So, accept your defeat and also accept English don't have quality spinners and pacers like styen,malinga

Posted by davidatlas999 on (November 16, 2012, 15:42 GMT)

@pankaj jain dont say that i know one thing when pujara will go to SA you will be the 1st one who will say ohh pujara is not some one for cricket he is just a flat track player.i know that its sad but the indian are the one who just know every thing about cricket lot more then there players

Posted by Coolgye on (November 16, 2012, 15:41 GMT)

Congrats India for scoring over 500 runs against England and for traping England in their spin-web. I would not deny saying that Pujara has batted beautifully and up to his expectations. Glad to see that Sehwag has finally regained his form.

The pitch is a flat one of course with a mini bit of spin and seam, what everyone expected. The fact is that INDIA is a champion team or you can say an UNBEATABLE team ONLY at HOME. In fact, the whole SUB-CONTINENT is a unbeatable at HOME CONDITIONS.

Posted by QingdaoXI on (November 16, 2012, 15:38 GMT)

Why England batsmen bog down when spinners are bowling they should try to rotate the strike so closing fielders can be removed by the opposition captain and than batsmen starts dominating, England change the statergy, we atleast tried to score runs in England same time we throw our wickets, without trying to score it will be very hard to show presence on the pitch. So atleast try and you can put up some more fight if Captain Cook and KP departs in first session than it will be really hard for England as Bell is not that much good on subcontinent pitches prior and patel can score quickly, but if they too bog down then we will see England batting again tommorrow afternoon. I still hope England should have not played Compton and Bresnan instead they should have gone with Morgan and Panesar and for next match xi should be Cook, Trott, Patel, KP, Morgan, Bairstow, Prior, Swann, Onions, Anderson and Panesar as Bell be going home.

Posted by i_witnessed_2011 on (November 16, 2012, 15:38 GMT)

@JG2704 : I agree with you on captaincy questions... Definately he made error in selecting 11 and he could have been little more aggressive while bowling. But those are not the major error. As you pointed out he himself is not very aggressive while batting and I feel he influences the same to other batsman. Today Compton went into shell but I felt cook just watched him to go. If they think they tire indian spinners by defending all balls , They are wrong. Cook seems very good in man management but he needs to be little more agressive. Putting 3 defensive batsmen may work in Engalnd, but in India they need atleast one aggressive bastman while ball is hard. Cook-trott opening , KP one down may be the way forward. I would also swap the batting position of Prior and bell in India.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 15:37 GMT)

What's wrong with England players? Some of the appeals were simply ridiculous. Ball pitch foot outside off and hit the bat and that even outside the off too and Broad goes all nut about it and even questions Umpires for not agreeing with him? They just kept appealing on every little thing.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 15:37 GMT)

I still believe india has to work extremely hard to get those 17 wickets because they have only ashwin and ojha to rely on and if one of them has a bad day,england can survive this test match.India also needs reverse swing of zaheer to win this match because expecting 20 wickets from the spinners is just too much.

Posted by Akshita29 on (November 16, 2012, 15:36 GMT)

IMO in the next test match Trott should open and Morgan should be in for bell and bairstow for compton ( I seriously think james taylor should have been selected ahead of root ) and monty instead of Bresnan . May be they could even drop another fast bowler and bring some batsman or maybe another spinner and make Kp and trott bowl few more overs . I think in the next match India would go with 3 spinners . England should pick a extra batsman or spinner and drop one or even 2 fast bowlers .

Posted by JustIPL on (November 16, 2012, 15:35 GMT)

Spin is english weakness but why India lost five wickets to Swann in their home conditions. Slowness of the pitch and winning the toss has set the tone for India and helped out of form openers to take advantage and find time to settle down. In additon to that their ploy of opening with spinner helped. India should not have played any pacers at all. Couple of more spinners is a good idea if pitches are going to be this way. Also, English should recognize that they lost wickets in the heat of the moment as closing moments pose pressure. I am sure if Kevi and company attack on the third day then they can draw the game.

Posted by pritpalpabla on (November 16, 2012, 15:34 GMT)

Good to see Pujara making his chances count... After such a long time I saw a true test inngs from Indian batsman. Good comeback by Yuvi as well... I think he came with a strong mindset after recovering from cancer. And now he really know what it means to be playing for India in all formats. Performance of Ashwin and Ojha at the end was like cherry on the ice cream. I still strongly believe that Dhoni doesn't belong to test cricket at all. He just holding this position because we don't have a good test captain. I would love to see Saha as his replacement someday when we will have someone taking test captaincy from him.

Posted by Scube on (November 16, 2012, 15:33 GMT)

@Sudhakar_Team: Did you start watching cricket from yesterday or trying to create another problem for the English team!?! How on Earth could you mention KP & Bell next to each other as two good players of spin! Bell is an excellent spin player when the ball turns 0 or 360 degrees and nothing in between! I'm afraid KP will take your statement to heart and leave India tomorrow leaving the 4 test series as four 3 dayers! But, I expect Patel to provide some resistance along with Cook & KP tomorrow!

Posted by Siddiee on (November 16, 2012, 15:30 GMT)

Its still a descent batting wicket, England needs to show some intent and aggression in order to get rid of some of the close in fielders and rest will be taken care of by Dhoni's defensive captaincy.

Posted by vikasrajchauhan on (November 16, 2012, 15:30 GMT)

As english team is struggling... i suggest icc should takes control of pitches around all cricket playing nation , they can form a seperate pitch committe consist of representatives of test playing nation, who will prepare and take care of quality and standard of picthes in fair and transparent manner. this will stop hue and cry of english fans. BTW i m happy to see india in a winning position . looking toward KP how he bat tommorow.

Posted by premclement on (November 16, 2012, 15:30 GMT)

Smith Robertson, I wonder if you had at least glanced the scorecard when NZ toured India a few months ago. If you had you would not make this comment. Dhoni opened the bowling with Ohja in the first test match itself. So your statement is wrong.

Posted by Jukesy on (November 16, 2012, 15:26 GMT)

I can remember India opening with a seamer and Ganguly and then handing the bowl over to the spinners - why on earth do we think we need THREE seamers in Indian conditions. There is an argument for Anderson to open the bowling with Trott and playing three spinners, Swann, Panesar and errr....

Posted by kc69 on (November 16, 2012, 15:26 GMT)

Well done boys....Aussies will be up next,i guess BCCI scheduled the tours(Eng & Aus tour to India) just for payback.

Posted by Scube on (November 16, 2012, 15:25 GMT)

@RandyOZ: As much as I enjoy your persistent one-liners, did you manage to figure out yet how on earth did your invincibles lose back-to-back Ashes to this Eng team!?! If you think it will be avenged in 2013 with b2b victories by your team, I'm afraid you might be in for a shock again!

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 15:24 GMT)

onnly way eng can get out of it iffffff kp gets more than 150....otherwise no chance

Posted by street_smart on (November 16, 2012, 15:24 GMT)

The Green Top bullies who dish out under prepared & non-sporting wicket (read bouncy wicket) cannot perform any more in a sporting wicket ( read slow.. low & offer turn)......

Tit for Tat-- thats how it goes....

Posted by samincolumbia on (November 16, 2012, 15:18 GMT)

@Juice - There is absolutely nothing wrong with the pitch and conditions! Just because your batsmen do not have the skills, blaming the pitch is not the answer. Its' funny when India was losing wickets in England, it was all due to brilliance of your bowlers and nothing to with conditions...Now you realize that it works both ways.

Posted by india666666 on (November 16, 2012, 15:17 GMT)

love the optimism by the english fans,they never belive the fact that their players cant play spin very well , if this is a rank turner then dint ur attack have the secret of cracking the indian batsmen( i dnont really know how a track being called flat and lifeless is suddenly turned into a minefield within fraction of a second)

Posted by Romenevans on (November 16, 2012, 15:17 GMT)

When Pujara was batting i thought its an easy wicket to bat on...but when england started playing, lol it became a rank turner....that further increase the quality of inning Pujara played. This pitch is not even turning the way it will be turning in Kolkata, Mumbai or Chennai lol, The poms are in big trouble.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (November 16, 2012, 15:17 GMT)

Now that we have capable batsmen in Pujara and Kohli, we can let 10dulkar that he can retire in peace?

Posted by VinodGupte on (November 16, 2012, 15:13 GMT)

home-track bullies are facing the music now, aren't they? where's anderson now? where's broad? bresnan? hulllo!!

Posted by timohyj on (November 16, 2012, 15:13 GMT)

I know the english will be saying the pitch was turning square, but how come the surface looked like a pancake minutes earlier when India was batting but looked like a minefield the second the English came out to bat? Swann got the odd ball to grip and turn, but ashwin and ojha were getting every ball to spin so sharply. The pitch could not have changed so drastically in such a short time. Maybe Ashwin was just blwing better than swann (this might be the case because he was definitley bowling much slower and flighting the ball more.) Maybe the indian batsmen just made it seem easier and the english made it seem harder, but it is definitley not the minefield england are making it our to be.

Posted by nilesh91 on (November 16, 2012, 15:12 GMT)

@patz101 did you saw Zaheer getting carry to the WK? I think not.

Posted by Romenevans on (November 16, 2012, 15:07 GMT)

Its not the wicket that turns...its the bowler who turn it on. Samit was trying to turn his heart out...While Ojha with his height, loop, bounce and trajectory was right on the money! Inning defeat on its way! Poor poms! World Beaters, Ha!

Posted by TommytuckerSaffa on (November 16, 2012, 15:06 GMT)

Disgusting pitch. Stop ruining test cricket.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 15:05 GMT)

England fans were jumping and going gaga over Compton..... He spoiled englands momentum

Posted by 2.14istherunrate on (November 16, 2012, 15:04 GMT)

This would not be quite so awful if there was not the stench and pall of complete and abject surrender hanging over England. So it's 45-3, but one of those is a debutant and another the nightwatchman. Of course the Sky team had us written off before day 2 even started. It's not as though we are facing Murali, for god's sake. Or Ajmal. It's just Ashwin who will probably be out of the side once Bhaji is bowling well, and Ojha,useful but not God. On the third day of the series we should looking forward to more than just humiliation. And randyoz, see you in England in 2013 for another taste of it. 3 ashes wins by an innings do not just go away overnight, mate. So get real!

Posted by Romenevans on (November 16, 2012, 15:02 GMT)

The way english fans were giving excuses about the flat track, i thought it would be a walk in the park for their batsman. LOL what happened? All of a sudden flat track became a turning monster?

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 14:59 GMT)

I don't know how beating a creaking team could be a source of joy? The result of this series is far, far away, but i think its already a given...So much for all the waiting for the English to come home...! That said, however, it doesn't beat me anymore, why the English were out of the solar-system when the great-English-summer of 2011 happened. It must have been like sun-wine-and-picnic after a year long of grey, grey skies...

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (November 16, 2012, 14:55 GMT)

Cook & Pietersen 100's tomorrow, England 450 All Out, India 200-6 dec 2ns Inns, Eng 150-5, Match Drawn. What a boring pitch. How about a good old original match on grass?

Posted by sensible-indian-fan on (November 16, 2012, 14:51 GMT)

Pujara's performance was not surprising. Before this match, I remember a few Indian fans who repeatedly mentioned that Pujara was a much bigger threat to England than Kohli. As far as Indian spinners are concerned, its too early to make a judgement but I am sure many English guys would have realized what quality Ashwin is of. I am eager to see how he performs against Cook (who looked damn solid today except for a ball or two) and Pietersen. That will be his real test. By the way, the pitch did help us and NO, this is NOT a rank turner. At least not as of now. Watch Pujara's batting from 150-200 and that is lesson for all on how to tackle a quality spinner in this pitch.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 14:49 GMT)

The green top bullies are in

Posted by Nampally on (November 16, 2012, 14:49 GMT)

Sehwag started the batting battle with a sparkling 117 at a S/R 100. Pujara completed the task by doubling Sehwag's century at half the S/R. Yuvraj coming back into Cricket after a bout with Cancer showed his class with a gallant knock of 75.These 3 are examples of Indian fighting spirt to show England that the losses in England tour were just an abberation & they will turn the tables on England. England did not "respect Tendulkar" but had to respect these 3.To cap the exploits of the first 2 days, the Indian spinners brought England right on their backfoot by dismissing 3 batsmen for 41 runs in an hour of mystery. What lies ahead of England particularly if KP & Cook are dismissed early can be easily guessed. These 2 are the main England batmen with Bell to offer any resistance. But the match is well poised in favour of India whether Ashwin produced his "mystery" ball or not. Indian Spin Trio of Ashwin,Ojha & Yuvraj have to come up big to finish the job started by Indian batting Trio!

Posted by Badgerofdoom on (November 16, 2012, 14:47 GMT)

Oh dear playing for a draw already. Anyway hopefully lesson learned on the picking 3 seam bowlers front, just have to dig deep, frustrate India and hope to win the toss next match. Big innings needed from Cook, KP and Bell or it could all be over by the 4th day.

Posted by Sudhakar_Team on (November 16, 2012, 14:44 GMT)

Nice to see some wickets for both the spinners at the end of the play. But India beware its not still over, there is two other good sspin playing batsman (KP, Bell) are there in Eng. Hope we will win by 4th day...

Posted by cool-cricketer on (November 16, 2012, 14:38 GMT)

congratz pujara for ur brilliant 200..... india will win the series 4-0 up....

Posted by VJGS on (November 16, 2012, 14:37 GMT)

Hope to see Pujara carry on this form to foreign conditions. With the likes of Kohli, Pujara, Rahane and Raina (in ODIs), India's batting looks solid and seems to be able to take care of itself with or without Tendulkar. The only question is their bowling. Pacers aren't experienced enough. The only experienced pacer, Zak is always at the hospital. Spinners are clueless green tracks as none of them have the caliber of Kumble to capitalize on whatever track they get

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 14:36 GMT)

hahaha India are copying Bangladesh by using a spin bowler in the very first over.

Posted by Mitcher on (November 16, 2012, 14:34 GMT)

I am quite certain England fans will respond to Australian barbs by pointing out how they walloped us - and there is no doubt they did that. But as long as they keep this Ashes-centric focus they will never produce a truly memorable world class team. The inability to even remotely handle Asian pitches over decades of trying is an embarrassment.

Posted by sachislife2310 on (November 16, 2012, 14:33 GMT)

Keep it up Pujara :D Keep it up Pujara :D Keep it up Pujara :D

Posted by nilesh91 on (November 16, 2012, 14:32 GMT)

Great day for India. Still don't want to predict the things but England is in big trouble. I think Umpiring was great in this match other than GS's appeal agains Yuvi. in AUSvsSA match there were at-least 3-4 wrong calls despite presence of DRS. Questions is whether presence DRS make umpires making bold decisions? My Answer is YES, I think "IF BATSMAN THINKS HE IS NOT OUT HE WILL REVIEW, I WILL GIVE HIM OUT FOR NOW and IF BOWLER THINKS BATSMEN IS OUT HE WILL REVIEW IT,I SHOULD NOT GIVE HIM OUT JUST NOW" attitude is developing in umpires.

Posted by sirviv on (November 16, 2012, 14:31 GMT)

So Sehwag thinks "you have to work hard to take 20 English wickets because they arent Bangladesh". Bangladesh proved they wouldn't give away even 10(let alone 20 wickets) without bullying the opposition. What say you Viru?

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 14:30 GMT)

England would do well to remind themselves that this far only one valuable wicket has fallen. Unless they allow themselves to be mentally aspyxiated, there are only 18 hours remaining for India to take the 17 wickets needed for the win.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 14:30 GMT)

Hartening to see Pujara's calm, control and class. It is a long way but Indian batting looks in good hands of Pujara and Kohli. I would like to see Rohit when little master calls it a day. I never believed Yuvi as a test player. But I can see a very different Yuvi since his comeback and he may be a good no 6 for India within subcontinent. I still doubt his ability to play test outside subcontinent.

For England, same old story. The pitch was looking flat when Pujara was batting and suddenly looks a rank turner as England started batting. I think England missed big time to get two front line spinner that can boll in tendom. While Swan was good, the Indian batted can afford to show respect to him when the other end was leaking runs.

Posted by JG2704 on (November 16, 2012, 14:28 GMT)

difficult to see exactly what England have learnt re playing spin. Compton was bowled by one which went through the gate but Trott and Jimmy's dismissals looked like carbon copies of what was happening in UAE. Surely the best way to get rid of the men around the bat is to show a little aggression , use your feet more etc. This test has been a mare for Eng from the team selections to onfield tactics. Right now Cook looks like a Strauss clone which despite what Strauss achieved I believe is wrong for England right now. Never mind about talking about regaining number 1 spot - right now it looks like we'll be down to 3 or below.

Very well played to Pujara. Several Indian fans bigged him up and we can see exactly why.

Posted by Juiceoftheapple on (November 16, 2012, 14:28 GMT)

Looks like we need an extra spinner and an extra batsman just to have a hope of not losing on these pitches in these conditions. Seriously, would it be the worst thing in the world to drop Bresnan for Bairstow and drop Anderson for Panesar. 1 seamer, 2 spinners, 1 prt time spinner, 2 dibbly dobbler bowlers, a batting line up as long as your arm and three draws. Would it be the worst thing?? No, losing every test would be. Tredwell can hold a bat.

Posted by jb633 on (November 16, 2012, 14:26 GMT)

Absolutley no suprises here. I thought ever since the first session that India would steamroller us and it looks to be heading that way. Why do our batsmen constantly get stuck on the crease. Surley after so many years they will begin to learn? Obviously they are just not capable. India to win by a big innings here. I was praying that our batsmen would have learnt a few lessons but the early signs are not good.

Posted by Just_love_it on (November 16, 2012, 14:25 GMT)

Well if England can somehow take this match into 5th day that will be a BIG achievement !

Posted by ranjithrissur on (November 16, 2012, 14:23 GMT)

Yuvi may join the party tomorrow.. With his slow left arm..

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 14:23 GMT)

It's awful seeing England batting in that passion. I think they themselves are to be blamed. The best batsman against spin currently England has produced is Eoin Morgan. He is the guy who play with unorthodox style. Morgan should be present in that line up. Monty is another guy who should be in playing XI. Well I hope England soon adapt the Asian pitches.

Posted by patz101 on (November 16, 2012, 14:22 GMT)

I honestly dont see the point India are trying to make. India played well but what is the point of a match when India are deliberately trying to make wickets even more spin friendly. England are playing against India in subcontinent with wickets being extra deliberately being extra spin friendly. I don't mind wickets being more spin friendly but at least make a pitch where the ball carries to the keeper regardless if it swings or not. If india does that then they are going back to the 90s lions at home and minnows overseas. I know we will get whitewashed but at least we are trying to make progress overseas unlike india who are going back to square one. If india will just do this then the only overseas team they will be able to beat is srilanka newzeland and westindies.

Posted by Hammond on (November 16, 2012, 14:22 GMT)

Instead of "spinners take over" how about "boredom reigns"?

Posted by ScottStevo on (November 16, 2012, 14:19 GMT)

Big trouble brewing for Eng here. Cook and KP need to score big with very good support from Bell/ Prior & tail. Fear for KP in this scenario as playing aggressively is his natural way and 3 for nothing is the precise time he may decide to play conservatively, which will most likely cost him his wicket cheaply. The big problem arising from KP playing his natural game being, if he gets out trying to play his shots, he'll be crucified; if he goes into his shell and gets done without playing aggressively, he'll be crucified! What with this also being his return to the team, he's on a hiding to nothing and it's hard to see him putting on big runs under that scenario. He is, however, more acclimatised to these conditions than his teammates and should, by rights, be better equipped to deal with them. Although Aus managed to score over 500 from this exact position against SA this week, I doubt we will be seeing a repeat of that tomorrow and the more likely outcome will be Eng following on...

Posted by RandyOZ on (November 16, 2012, 14:18 GMT)

England really are terrible at cricket. It's a toss up between that and Soccer as their worst sport. Both teams trying very hard for the title

Posted by Ross_Co on (November 16, 2012, 14:18 GMT)

Another superb performance by one of the best test teams in Europe. Compton really looks the part - he had whites on & held the bat by the thin end. Anderson may well have found his new permanent position at 3 - his batting now seems to be his strongest suit. Trott of course only got a duck because he wants to get it all over with quickly so he can catch a plane to Adelaide in the hope he'll be picked for a know....genuine team. All in all 'England' continues to entertain and amuse, especially the latter. The year has been just one long triumph. Hurrah!

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 14:17 GMT)

India stole a march on England in the warm-ups, and will be moving in for the kill tomorrow. All of India is laughing at England, and well they might. As a staunch England supporter, may I suggest they play tiddly-winks instead?

Posted by Neeta on (November 16, 2012, 14:17 GMT)

An excellent day of cricket for Indian team. The partnership between Pietersen and Cook is going to be the key for England. If we can get these two out early, then the game will be even more in our favor. However, we cannot take Samit Patel and Matt Prior lightly as these two are their best batsmen of spin after Pietersen and Cook. Hope to see the likes of Zak and Umesh getting some reverse swing with the scuffed up ball to present a different challenge to the Englishmen. Also the Englishmen bat deep with Swann now coming in to bat at no.11!! All in all a cracker of a day slated for tomorrow. Oh I forgot to mention welcome the Next Wall of Indian Cricket and welcome back Yuvi even though it was dissapointing to see you missing out on a well deserved century on your comeback. Dhoni looked out of sorts and of he was not the captain would have been replaced by me and anyone of Saha, Karthick or Patel taking his place in the line-up.

Posted by venkat_indian on (November 16, 2012, 14:13 GMT)

Its gud to see the england team dances against the spin attack... come on india...

Posted by Hammond on (November 16, 2012, 14:13 GMT)

Scarily boring. Test cricket is in trouble. Indian wickets are killing the sport.

Posted by ssenthil on (November 16, 2012, 14:12 GMT)

Swann in Asia has Avg of over 35 in India but his Avg is 22 in both SL and Bangla, while his Avg is 25 in UAE. I wonder which pitches are more turning pitches. I think Swann can answer it. India should roll over the Poms under 230 tomorrow and ask them to bat again. Come on India, show to the Poms, give them a taste of their own medicine. Today I seen Bresnan and Sruart Little were bowling at 120 Kmph with W/K standing up and they are just 2nd day in to the long series and they question why India don't producing fast bowlers. Look at Zak, how well he has bowled the New Ball unlike England tracks bully Anderson and Broad. I think they would never be a threaten even at home against good Batsman.

Posted by jango_moh on (November 16, 2012, 14:08 GMT)

well done pujara!!! it doesnt really look like the wicket is a rank turner yet... its spinning a bit, but is still good for batting....

Posted by USIndianFan on (November 16, 2012, 14:06 GMT)

Interesting how badly England seem to fare on sporting tracks! Whew. What poor quality. The English team needs a remake.

Posted by ssenthil on (November 16, 2012, 14:04 GMT)

India's total of 521 is their tenth 500-plus total against England overall and their fourth against England in home Tests. The previous 500-plus total at home came in Mumbai in 1993.

So India have scored over 500 runs against England at England and anyone want to call Indian tracks as Flat tracks must be brainless then. Poms in the spin web. I don;t see they are coming out of the web created by India's spin duo Ashwin and P Ojha

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 14:03 GMT)

I can see Dravid in Pujara....He is a great asset for India in test Cricket...India should win this match with ease. It's time to pay back now.

Posted by AMAZINGFAN on (November 16, 2012, 14:02 GMT)

bowlers like anderson,broad,bresnan looked unplayable in england pitches whereas here they r bowling with keeper standing up to the stumps......honestly eng bowlers will struggle to get single wicket in this series,they looked good in uae against club-level batsmen.....

Posted by jmcilhinney on (November 16, 2012, 14:02 GMT)

I just don't know what to make of England's collective poor catching over the last year. From what I could see, it only really started during the home series against WI. I said then that if it kept up against the likes of SA then it would become a problem. Sure enough, it may well have lost them that series. Here again it's cost them 200 runs to Pujara and given him a great deal of confidence for the rest of the series, not to mention the runs scored by other batsman who were let off. If England had taken all their chances then India might have been all out for 300 or perhaps even less. Like SA though, India have made England pay for giving them lives. At this stage, including Panesar for the second Test might even improve the catching. It's such a basic skill and they were doing it well a year or so ago so I just don't know what it will take to fix it. They won't be winning anything until they do though, and won't deserve to.

Posted by ajay_techie on (November 16, 2012, 13:59 GMT)

Seeing the way,England are playing,wouldnt be surprised,if the test gets over in 3 days.

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 13:54 GMT)

Jonathan "I Feel Instant Karma" Trott

Posted by ste13 on (November 16, 2012, 13:54 GMT)

Very predictable script of this match. Interesting to see how long England will sustain the pressure. At this stage innings defeat on cards. Perhaps in the next test England can come up with bowling line-up more suited to Indian conditions.

Posted by Scube on (November 16, 2012, 13:52 GMT)

I kept on commenting during the debacles in Eng & Aus that the one person who could have made a slight difference to our fortunes is lost due to the hopeless IPL! Not that we would have won both the series, but would have definitely fared a lot better! I really hope Pujara is available and in good shape come SA 2013 and not lost again due to IPL 13!

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 13:48 GMT)

Eng in big trouble.. would be best if they escape from an inning defeat..

Posted by muthuthewaves on (November 16, 2012, 13:47 GMT)

Why dont ecb send their first team to play against India. Oops is this their first team then god have to save them!!

Posted by rajthedoctor on (November 16, 2012, 13:46 GMT)

520 odd seems little too much for dis match...anyway 3 fired down 17 to go....wrap it fast....i m waiting...

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 13:46 GMT)

They fell live authum leaves is the gust of an Indian breeze while Captain Cook stood firmly at the non-striking. KP ran to Cooks end first ball but I don't think he can run away from danger all day tomorrow.

Posted by Fast_Track_Bully on (November 16, 2012, 13:45 GMT)

Well done Pujara. Now English fans will call it as spinner friendly rather than flat track as they are slipping away.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (November 16, 2012, 13:44 GMT)

I was hopeful of a good performance from Compton but I'm not too surprised. That was a very high pressure for a debutant, even though he's more experienced than most playing their first Test. Obviously Anderson's wicket is not too big a deal either, but it did expose Trott and he is a big loss. England would have been hopeful that he would be able to occupy the crease for a long period, thereby blunting the attack somewhat and allowing those coming in behind to play with a bit more freedom. As good as KP can be, occupying the crease is not his strong suit. He's much better when he can attack but he can't really afford to take too many risks for a while now. If England follow on then I'd say that the game is lost. If they can bat well until at least tea on day four then the draw will be the favourite. Anything in between could be touch and go. While India could collapse in their second innings, it's hard to see England forcing it with only one front-line spinner.

Posted by gnanzcupid on (November 16, 2012, 13:42 GMT)

English team Exposed. Innings defeat on cards

Posted by   on (November 16, 2012, 13:41 GMT)

well played england good last 18 overs negotiation lovely guys how well you are playing spin, already greatest team man on earth kp is showing signs of insecurity in his 6 balls stay. So england gonna rock it great signs....ha ha ha...poor fellas....

Posted by Wynand80 on (November 16, 2012, 13:40 GMT)

It is a flat pitch now isnt it? Sarcasm intended - English fans need to make up their mind, is the pitch flat or is it a turner. If the former then England have batted poorly or India have bowled superbly. If the latter, India have batted beautifully or England have bowled poorly. But knowing many England fans love to moan, I expect a it was a flat pitch at 2 overs before England started batting and became a raging turner straight after! Welcome to India!

Posted by cool2cool on (November 16, 2012, 13:39 GMT)

And somebody said this is a flat pitch only meant for a boring draw...

Posted by akpy on (November 16, 2012, 13:38 GMT)

Wasnt this supposed to be a very flat wicket as Gower/Atherton/Nasser/Bumble, etc were expertly opining last two days?? Maybe cook & kp will save their blushes tomorrow

Posted by jmcilhinney on (November 16, 2012, 13:38 GMT)

I said after the first day that it was too early to say that England had made a mistake picking Bresnan instead of Panesar. It's definitely time now though. While I appreciate and respect what Bresnan has done in the past, whether it's the elbow operation or something else, he seems to have lost his mojo. Not that Broad particularly was superior by a significant margin, if at all. I just don't see how they can justify picking Bresnan and then giving him so few overs. He and Broad are both still apparently down on pace whatever reason. I doubt that it will happen but barring any second innings heroics, they should probably both be replaced for the second Test, with Panesar and Finn coming in. With Bell being unavailable though, that may seem like weakening the batting too much.

Posted by premclement on (November 16, 2012, 13:35 GMT)

At the end of Day 1, all the English supporters were complaining about the pitch saying that it is flat and the ball does not spin. Obviously, they did over-look at the performance of Swan. However, at the end of Day 2, especially in the last 10 overs, England supporters should have realised that, after all, this pitch is not flat, and, importantly, Eng players (except one or two) have no clue on how to play spin. Well done Team India. Go for an innings win over England.

Posted by SAboucher on (November 16, 2012, 13:28 GMT)

agreed that indian pitches are low and slow...but an incumbant of topspot should tame it.....pommies now rendered as sheep...boys are seperated from men...

Posted by CricketMaan on (November 16, 2012, 13:26 GMT)

tommorow is all about KP, KP and KP and ofcourse Cook..would be waiting to see KP & Swann; KP & Boardy partnerships. Who will run out whom? I still feel Matt Prior is the danger man. He will just come in and spank a quick fire 70 or 80

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