Royal Challengers Bangalore v Rajasthan Royals, IPL 2012 April 16, 2012

Lack of quality fifth bowler worries Vettori

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Daniel Vettori, the Royal Challengers Bangalore captain, has said the lack of a quality fifth bowler was an important factor in his team's 59-run defeat to Rajasthan Royals at the Chinnaswamy Stadium. Royals chose to bat and scored 195 for 2, with Ajinkya Rahane scoring 103 and Owais Shah 60.

They scored 70 in the 12 overs bowled by Zaheer Khan, Daniel Vettori and Muttiah Muralitharan, and 120 in the remaining eight overs. Chris Gayle conceded 21 in one over, Vinay Kumar 51 in four and S Aravind 48 in three overs.

"The problem is that we could not get through the overs from our fifth bowler. It is something we must rectify as it has hurt us in every game," Vettori said. "We need to work hard on that fifth bowler, as teams are being very aggressive and we are not getting the results that we need to compete."

In their previous game in Chennai, Virat Kohli conceded 28 in the penultimate over and Royal Challengers failed to defend 205. They are presently second last in the league, having lost three out of four games.

Vettori also said he was disappointed with his middle-order batsmen. "There's a lot of expectation on the top four but they can't do it every time, so they guys in the middle need to step up. We must find a solution quickly as we play Pune [Warriors] in a day and we need to get back to winning ways."

Royals batsman, Shah, whose 60 came off 26 balls, credited Rahane for the win and praised his batting style. "There is a calmness about him that shows he's always in control," Shah said. "He plays the ball very late and times the ball beautifully. He's got a bright future ahead of him."

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  • POSTED BY Cryptic_Daz on | April 18, 2012, 7:21 GMT

    Drop Tiwary.. it should solve all your problems !!!

  • POSTED BY on | April 17, 2012, 10:32 GMT

    @FatBoysCanBat ...I am wondering about your comment..Daniel Vittori argubly the best T20 bowler in the world..So why he can not dominate the local indian batsmen...and if he is the best best what about Steyn,Malinga & Ajmal...The biggest mistake done by RCB is continue the captaincy with Vittori...He is bowling in the middle overs and use the 5th bowler in the depth overs..Dilshan is much better alrounder than Vittori..If not Vittori captain..he should be droped for Dilshan..The second mistake is RCB plays big names ....Though they are performed or not continue with them.....

  • POSTED BY on | April 17, 2012, 9:32 GMT

    It is nt the quality of the vth bowler rather quality of captaincy hurting the team. U hv Chrish Gayle who is effective against left handeds only. Arvind should b given the 2nd over to bowl and if does well then give him 3 overs in the powerplay. Keep Zaheer's 2 overs and Vinay's 2 overs for 14 to 20, 2 of the last six to be bowled by Vettori and Murli. Dont allow the vth bowler in the death overs. Betn 2 strategic time out the batsmen try to keep wickets. 3 overs by bowlers other than Zak, Kumar, vetori, murli must finish in that span with 2 or 3 frm the 2 top class spinners.

  • POSTED BY satish619chandar on | April 17, 2012, 9:19 GMT

    Options for RCB : Indians - H Patel, Aravind, Syed Mohammed, Mithun, Bhatkal.. Syed- Can u accomodate 3 spine attack? Aravind and Bhatkal already smacked to the core, Mithun expected to do the same.. H Patel was ok but needlessly dropped.. One best thing to do would be is to drop the captain himself.. Pick Nannes/Langeveldt for him.. Include Syed for Vettori to fill up the second spinner.. Murali can head the spin dept.. Nannes and Zak can bowl in death with relatively small guys bowling around the Master spinner in middle overs.. This should be the best option for RCB!!

  • POSTED BY addicted.samyam on | April 17, 2012, 9:07 GMT

    maybe try out syed mohhamad as the fifth bowler for rcb....& give dilshan a go instead of gayle..

  • POSTED BY lankanlioncric on | April 17, 2012, 7:01 GMT

    is vinay kumar the best bowler in the world?

  • POSTED BY satish619chandar on | April 17, 2012, 6:58 GMT

    Patel was decent.. The problem with RCB is, they have two spinners who rarely bowls in powerplay as well as in death.. Take it as first 6 and last 4 overs.. They prefer to bowl in the middle overs - 10 between 7 to 16.. The best time for your weaklink to bowl is immediately after a wicket in that period.. Dhoni uses them in that stage and Pollard usually comes around 9-10 mark.. Atleast 2 overs from 8-14 will serve better.. Vettori should bowl a couple overs in powerplay and allow fifth bowler to get through his couple in middle overs.. Tactically it is bad to hold back the fifth bowler till end or bowling them at settled batsmen..

  • POSTED BY on | April 17, 2012, 6:22 GMT

    My question is where is Syed Mohammed? Wasn't he exceptionally good in the last season? You can bring him without compromising the 4 international players!! Come on Kumble bring Syed in!!

  • POSTED BY on | April 17, 2012, 6:20 GMT

    If it's IPL then player should be only indians. If it's global league then there should be at least 6/7 foreign players, what a joke of this league, there are 50% indian players who will play only IPL and rest of the time sleeping in home.

    For those who thinks that IPL is for indian players only, dare to filed all indian players in the IPL and see who the hell will watch your matches, no body will be intrested in ipl. We watch IPL for Chris Gyle, Levi, Muralitharan, Vettori, Watson, not for agarkar, shukla,

  • POSTED BY on | April 17, 2012, 6:12 GMT

    Virat should be the captain and McDonald must be in playing 11 instead of Vettori. drop tiwary and give chance for new comer.

  • POSTED BY Cryptic_Daz on | April 18, 2012, 7:21 GMT

    Drop Tiwary.. it should solve all your problems !!!

  • POSTED BY on | April 17, 2012, 10:32 GMT

    @FatBoysCanBat ...I am wondering about your comment..Daniel Vittori argubly the best T20 bowler in the world..So why he can not dominate the local indian batsmen...and if he is the best best what about Steyn,Malinga & Ajmal...The biggest mistake done by RCB is continue the captaincy with Vittori...He is bowling in the middle overs and use the 5th bowler in the depth overs..Dilshan is much better alrounder than Vittori..If not Vittori captain..he should be droped for Dilshan..The second mistake is RCB plays big names ....Though they are performed or not continue with them.....

  • POSTED BY on | April 17, 2012, 9:32 GMT

    It is nt the quality of the vth bowler rather quality of captaincy hurting the team. U hv Chrish Gayle who is effective against left handeds only. Arvind should b given the 2nd over to bowl and if does well then give him 3 overs in the powerplay. Keep Zaheer's 2 overs and Vinay's 2 overs for 14 to 20, 2 of the last six to be bowled by Vettori and Murli. Dont allow the vth bowler in the death overs. Betn 2 strategic time out the batsmen try to keep wickets. 3 overs by bowlers other than Zak, Kumar, vetori, murli must finish in that span with 2 or 3 frm the 2 top class spinners.

  • POSTED BY satish619chandar on | April 17, 2012, 9:19 GMT

    Options for RCB : Indians - H Patel, Aravind, Syed Mohammed, Mithun, Bhatkal.. Syed- Can u accomodate 3 spine attack? Aravind and Bhatkal already smacked to the core, Mithun expected to do the same.. H Patel was ok but needlessly dropped.. One best thing to do would be is to drop the captain himself.. Pick Nannes/Langeveldt for him.. Include Syed for Vettori to fill up the second spinner.. Murali can head the spin dept.. Nannes and Zak can bowl in death with relatively small guys bowling around the Master spinner in middle overs.. This should be the best option for RCB!!

  • POSTED BY addicted.samyam on | April 17, 2012, 9:07 GMT

    maybe try out syed mohhamad as the fifth bowler for rcb....& give dilshan a go instead of gayle..

  • POSTED BY lankanlioncric on | April 17, 2012, 7:01 GMT

    is vinay kumar the best bowler in the world?

  • POSTED BY satish619chandar on | April 17, 2012, 6:58 GMT

    Patel was decent.. The problem with RCB is, they have two spinners who rarely bowls in powerplay as well as in death.. Take it as first 6 and last 4 overs.. They prefer to bowl in the middle overs - 10 between 7 to 16.. The best time for your weaklink to bowl is immediately after a wicket in that period.. Dhoni uses them in that stage and Pollard usually comes around 9-10 mark.. Atleast 2 overs from 8-14 will serve better.. Vettori should bowl a couple overs in powerplay and allow fifth bowler to get through his couple in middle overs.. Tactically it is bad to hold back the fifth bowler till end or bowling them at settled batsmen..

  • POSTED BY on | April 17, 2012, 6:22 GMT

    My question is where is Syed Mohammed? Wasn't he exceptionally good in the last season? You can bring him without compromising the 4 international players!! Come on Kumble bring Syed in!!

  • POSTED BY on | April 17, 2012, 6:20 GMT

    If it's IPL then player should be only indians. If it's global league then there should be at least 6/7 foreign players, what a joke of this league, there are 50% indian players who will play only IPL and rest of the time sleeping in home.

    For those who thinks that IPL is for indian players only, dare to filed all indian players in the IPL and see who the hell will watch your matches, no body will be intrested in ipl. We watch IPL for Chris Gyle, Levi, Muralitharan, Vettori, Watson, not for agarkar, shukla,

  • POSTED BY on | April 17, 2012, 6:12 GMT

    Virat should be the captain and McDonald must be in playing 11 instead of Vettori. drop tiwary and give chance for new comer.

  • POSTED BY pai11 on | April 17, 2012, 5:55 GMT

    its not right to blame the Indian bowlers for all this. Remember that DD has the best bowling unit in the current IPL and only 1 among the 5 in their team is a foreign recruit. it just shows that the team management must do their homework before investing so much on foreign players as only 4 can be in the team. unearth local talent- that must be the motto. and by the way RR is also doing fine with local bowlers so are PWI.

  • POSTED BY on | April 17, 2012, 5:41 GMT

    Currently the forign player that brings balance to RCB team is Andrew McDonald.So bring him ahead of Gayle/Dilshan or dilshan can also fit in the 11 with his offspin

  • POSTED BY on | April 17, 2012, 2:38 GMT

    Oh please...don't speak about the fifth bowler....it was absolutely because of captaincy...do you feel that Dravid could have scored 20+ in an over?(Dravid is absolutely a Legend and one of the greatest batsmen of the era but T20, weakness should be exploited) or Rahane could have hit 6 4's in 6th over? it is all about when the fifth bowler needs to be used. I am sure Kumble would have bowled himself atleast 2 overs in the last 5 because that is where quality is needed. Also, there is a lot to be learnt from how Kumble used Dale...I do agree that wickets needs to be picked up early but when things are not going in your way, Plan B should come into play. When there was absolutely no smell of blood in the first 4, and you know next coming batsmen could ride on you, atlease one more over from Zaheer should have been conserved for the last 5....We all know things can go wrong...hope to see you guys with a big bang in upcoming matches(which is always how RCB approaches IPL !!)

  • POSTED BY on | April 17, 2012, 1:18 GMT

    Vettori needs to play as the 5th bowler and bring in a specialist bowler. It may damage the balance to the side but will make them be able to limit teams down to chasable targets.

    For the next game the RCB line up should be....

    Gayle Agarwal Kohli De Villiers(wkt) Kaif Pujara Vettori Abhimanyu Mithun Aravind Zaheer Kahn Muralitharan

    Tiwary would get dropped as he gets nice 20's/30's but doesnt have the power to constantly hit the sixes and boundaries required. Tiwary only gets his 6's on the on side and gets out either cheaply because of a silly shot or because by the time he comes in the run rate is so high that he has no choice but to play a risky shot. Pujara is a better batsman and Kaif has more power than Tiwary. The batting depth isnt there compared to other teams but this will enable Gayle and co at the top of the order to Prize their wicket more highly.

  • POSTED BY FatBoysCanBat on | April 16, 2012, 22:51 GMT

    @Chathura Mahesh: Each team can only play 4 overseas players and I don't see where Dilshan can fit in. Bangalore go with Vettori, Gayle, Murali, and de Villiers. Vettori is arguably the world's best T20 spinner and the captain, Gayle is the World's best T20 batsman, Murali is a legend and he can't be dropped because as the article states they are low on bowling already, and de Villiers is the keeper. The only way to get Dilshan in is drop de Villiers and one of Argawal, Tiwary or Kaif and bring in the Karnataka keeper Muralidharen Gautam. Kolkata are in a similar position with McCullum [one of the best T20 batsmen going around] because with Kallis, de Lange, Narine, and Shakib they can't find a place for him.

  • POSTED BY on | April 16, 2012, 20:09 GMT

    What is the hell dilshan why on the bench

  • POSTED BY saiki4116 on | April 16, 2012, 18:28 GMT

    Many teams dont have a quality 5th bowler,but they are negating it by bringing part time bowlers when wicket falls or bowling them after the powerplay overs between 6 to 13,because its the time to build things and batsmen may not be that aggressive and actually you have a chance of wicket if they go after your bowling.All you need to do is adapt your strategy on the move and have a heart to take some risks.This is reason why dhoni,ganguly are such a good captains.In T20 your strategy cannot be too conservative.

  • POSTED BY johnathonjosephs on | April 16, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    And I wonder, if Gayle fails to fire again, will RCB have the guts to drop Gayle and bring in Dilshan?

  • POSTED BY johnathonjosephs on | April 16, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    Um... Doesn't he mean his 4th and 5th bowlers? This is the reason IPL isn't that great and will die out. Yes, RCB is an amazing team, but you are only as strong as your weakest link. And Sreenath Aravind is the weak link. He has given away so many runs on a NUMBER of occassions. But why is he still allowed to play? Because only 4 players can be overseas players and he must fill up the remaining 7. Even though RCB has Kohli, Gayle, Zaheer, AB De Villiers, Saurabh Tiwary, Vettori, and Murali, it is all for nothing if you get a team to 100 in 17 overs (great bowling RR of 5.8) and then ONE bowler gives 48 in 3 overs to give a competive total of 148. Undoes all the hard work

  • POSTED BY on | April 16, 2012, 18:02 GMT

    Virat should be the captain and McDonald must be in playing 11 instead of Vittori.

  • POSTED BY on | April 16, 2012, 18:00 GMT

    come on!! u have a quality all rounder in TM Dilshan warming bench, bring him on, n see the changes.

  • POSTED BY zekie on | April 16, 2012, 17:51 GMT

    I dont think the indian contingent is pulling their weight sufficeiently, the oversees players are doing ok and except for Zaheer and Argarwal that 6 out of the 11 performaning. Avavind confidence must be really shattered from CL to this i have not seen a front line bowler get so muck licks.

  • POSTED BY on | April 16, 2012, 16:42 GMT

    I know RCB paid $1.6 Million for Sourabh Tiwari. With $1.6M tag he is one waste of an A$5 in the team. Do not remember him making a 30+ score for RCB in IPL4 or Champions league. His form has headed only south this year. If there is one head that needs to be chopped in thie RCB team, then that is Mr.$1.6M Tiwari!! Ronit More... give him a chance... not Mithun please.

  • POSTED BY maddinson on | April 16, 2012, 16:02 GMT

    Arvind, Vinay and Mithun are useless. There must be some non cricketing reasons that these Vinay and Mithun represented Indian international team and Arvind was also in the 15 men squad against England.

  • POSTED BY palla.avinash on | April 16, 2012, 15:14 GMT

    try syed mohammed or appanna left arm spin vettori or take a brave decision of dropping gayle and bring donald

  • POSTED BY phendel on | April 16, 2012, 14:51 GMT

    RCB had a very good spinner last year as a 4th bowler, i think we should bring him back, cant rem his name ugh....Aravind was still our fifth bowler and went for a lot of runs much like this year.......but last year we chased a lot and our batting (gayle & kohli) clicked more times than not (7/9).......bring back a spinner to have a triple spin threat and have zaheer and kumar be our pacers......its almost impossible to replace on of our internationals now though to bring in McDonald or Langeveldt though to shore up our bowling......find a fifth bowler (a spinner prob) and RCB will be almost unbeatable and def the most balanced side of IPL5!!!!!

  • POSTED BY gimme-a-greentop on | April 16, 2012, 14:31 GMT

    soumyas makes a good point..Dan the man's captaincy has not been especially shrewd given his reputation...what in the name of blazes was Kohli doing bowling the 19th over at Morkel anyway...a bit unfair...

  • POSTED BY PhaniBhaskar24 on | April 16, 2012, 14:25 GMT

    Its really really surprising to see that Vettori Wants 5 bowler. How about having 8 bowlers & kohli, Gayle, AB Devillers as batsman. RCB looks more or less the same way it is now. Stop complaining about bowlers. Focus on young batsmen who can really really deliver you results

  • POSTED BY Sigma-Eleven on | April 16, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    The team with solid players from 4 to 6/7 in the batting order should do well in this format. It's high time that RCB considers McDonald for Vettori. He can bat at 6/7 and provide an extra bowling option. Kohli can captain the team. Kohli, DeVilliers and McDonald should play at 4,5 & 6 in batting order. Let Agarwal open with Gayle and promote Tiwary to 3 (MI did that on several occasions). Apart from McDonald & Murali you have Zaheer & Vinay (best available option). Pick Apanna as the left arm spinner to fill for Vettori. For the final slot consider a 6th bowler among locals (Harshal Patel was ok or Aravind/Mithun). 1. Agarwal, 2. Gayle, 3. Tiwary, 4. Kohli (c), 5. DeVilliers (wk), 6. McDonald, 7. Vinay, 8. Zaheer, 9. Murali, 10, Apanna, 11. Harshal/Aravind/Mithun.

  • POSTED BY JM_RSA on | April 16, 2012, 14:21 GMT

    Daniel Vittori is not a good catain period, AB should takeover and you will see an instint result. DV has hailed in his tactics as well. e.g. Bowling Kohli in the depth.

  • POSTED BY the_wallster on | April 16, 2012, 14:10 GMT

    This isn't just a Vettori problem. This is an India problem. For the last 12 months we've been telling India they need fast bowlers, yet they insist it is a condition problem. the last two IPL's have been appalling due to the lack of quality fast bowlers being produced in India. If fast bowlers don't matter in India, then why not just set up bowling machines to bowl at the batsmen? the Deccan Chargers, KKR and Rajhastan Royals all have slow, medium-paced bowlers who are inconsistent with their line and length. Yo Mahesh got spanked around the other night. Deccan lost to Mumbai because a second-rate Australian is supposedly better than Indian fast bowlers. Yadav and Dinda are the only Indian pace bowlers worth their salt, and actually challenge batsmen. It's a worrying sign for India, and if they're not careful, they could fall further behind in the international stakes.

  • POSTED BY on | April 16, 2012, 14:05 GMT

    RCB shud play Ronit More.. he had a really good domestic season... RCB have lots of options for tat slot n all r failin... Harshal Patel, Aravind, Mithun, Bhatkal and Ronit More

  • POSTED BY on | April 16, 2012, 13:56 GMT

    Forget 5th bowler,from the article it looks like they can't find a 4th bowler

  • POSTED BY rahulcricket007 on | April 16, 2012, 13:31 GMT

    DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THAT THIS ARAVIND WAS SELECTED IN TEST SQUAD FOR AUS TOUR IN PLACE OF INJURED AARON .

  • POSTED BY soumyas on | April 16, 2012, 13:26 GMT

    when the other locale players like Amit sing,pankaj sing,trivedi bowling better on same pitch whats the problem with Aravind and other locale players ? RCB captaincy has a problem,why every time they run out of good bowlers in death overs ? why not keep some overs of Vettori,Zak at the end ? are these bowlers hiding from bowling death overs ?

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  • POSTED BY soumyas on | April 16, 2012, 13:26 GMT

    when the other locale players like Amit sing,pankaj sing,trivedi bowling better on same pitch whats the problem with Aravind and other locale players ? RCB captaincy has a problem,why every time they run out of good bowlers in death overs ? why not keep some overs of Vettori,Zak at the end ? are these bowlers hiding from bowling death overs ?

  • POSTED BY rahulcricket007 on | April 16, 2012, 13:31 GMT

    DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THAT THIS ARAVIND WAS SELECTED IN TEST SQUAD FOR AUS TOUR IN PLACE OF INJURED AARON .

  • POSTED BY on | April 16, 2012, 13:56 GMT

    Forget 5th bowler,from the article it looks like they can't find a 4th bowler

  • POSTED BY on | April 16, 2012, 14:05 GMT

    RCB shud play Ronit More.. he had a really good domestic season... RCB have lots of options for tat slot n all r failin... Harshal Patel, Aravind, Mithun, Bhatkal and Ronit More

  • POSTED BY the_wallster on | April 16, 2012, 14:10 GMT

    This isn't just a Vettori problem. This is an India problem. For the last 12 months we've been telling India they need fast bowlers, yet they insist it is a condition problem. the last two IPL's have been appalling due to the lack of quality fast bowlers being produced in India. If fast bowlers don't matter in India, then why not just set up bowling machines to bowl at the batsmen? the Deccan Chargers, KKR and Rajhastan Royals all have slow, medium-paced bowlers who are inconsistent with their line and length. Yo Mahesh got spanked around the other night. Deccan lost to Mumbai because a second-rate Australian is supposedly better than Indian fast bowlers. Yadav and Dinda are the only Indian pace bowlers worth their salt, and actually challenge batsmen. It's a worrying sign for India, and if they're not careful, they could fall further behind in the international stakes.

  • POSTED BY JM_RSA on | April 16, 2012, 14:21 GMT

    Daniel Vittori is not a good catain period, AB should takeover and you will see an instint result. DV has hailed in his tactics as well. e.g. Bowling Kohli in the depth.

  • POSTED BY Sigma-Eleven on | April 16, 2012, 14:23 GMT

    The team with solid players from 4 to 6/7 in the batting order should do well in this format. It's high time that RCB considers McDonald for Vettori. He can bat at 6/7 and provide an extra bowling option. Kohli can captain the team. Kohli, DeVilliers and McDonald should play at 4,5 & 6 in batting order. Let Agarwal open with Gayle and promote Tiwary to 3 (MI did that on several occasions). Apart from McDonald & Murali you have Zaheer & Vinay (best available option). Pick Apanna as the left arm spinner to fill for Vettori. For the final slot consider a 6th bowler among locals (Harshal Patel was ok or Aravind/Mithun). 1. Agarwal, 2. Gayle, 3. Tiwary, 4. Kohli (c), 5. DeVilliers (wk), 6. McDonald, 7. Vinay, 8. Zaheer, 9. Murali, 10, Apanna, 11. Harshal/Aravind/Mithun.

  • POSTED BY PhaniBhaskar24 on | April 16, 2012, 14:25 GMT

    Its really really surprising to see that Vettori Wants 5 bowler. How about having 8 bowlers & kohli, Gayle, AB Devillers as batsman. RCB looks more or less the same way it is now. Stop complaining about bowlers. Focus on young batsmen who can really really deliver you results

  • POSTED BY gimme-a-greentop on | April 16, 2012, 14:31 GMT

    soumyas makes a good point..Dan the man's captaincy has not been especially shrewd given his reputation...what in the name of blazes was Kohli doing bowling the 19th over at Morkel anyway...a bit unfair...

  • POSTED BY phendel on | April 16, 2012, 14:51 GMT

    RCB had a very good spinner last year as a 4th bowler, i think we should bring him back, cant rem his name ugh....Aravind was still our fifth bowler and went for a lot of runs much like this year.......but last year we chased a lot and our batting (gayle & kohli) clicked more times than not (7/9).......bring back a spinner to have a triple spin threat and have zaheer and kumar be our pacers......its almost impossible to replace on of our internationals now though to bring in McDonald or Langeveldt though to shore up our bowling......find a fifth bowler (a spinner prob) and RCB will be almost unbeatable and def the most balanced side of IPL5!!!!!