India in South Africa 2013-14 October 21, 2013

BCCI confirms two Tests, three ODIs in South Africa

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India's tour of South Africa later this year has been confirmed by the BCCI, which on Tuesday announced a series of two Tests and three ODIs. The dates and venues for the matches, however, are yet to be announced.*

Responding to the BCCI statement, Cricket South Africa said that the venues were being worked out. "Since the confirmation about the fixtures only came this morning, the cricket ops team will work on this now. At this stage we can't put a date to when the fixtures will be confirmed, but will advise as soon as that process is complete."

The tour's confirmation came after an assurance from CSA that it would suspend its CEO, Haroon Lorgat, from dealing with matters related to India and the ICC pending an inquiry by the world body into allegations against him. The allegations relate to Lorgat's role in the statement issued by David Becker, formerly the ICC's legal head, that the BCCI's flouting of the FTP could have legal implications. In his statement, released to the media last week, Becker had said it was "improper" to allow a member body to "blatantly disregard an ICC resolution".

The issue was touched upon during the ICC Executive Board meeting in London over the weekend and the BCCI's demand for an ethics committee inquiry against Becker and Lorgat gained a lot of support. Many ICC Full Members are believed to have expressed their reservations over Lorgat being a part of ICC proceedings. The BCCI, in its release announcing the series, said the ICC "is now considering its legal options" in respect to Becker's comments.

The two boards also said that they have agreed to continue discussions "about the possibility of agreeing further bilateral arrangements ... between the two teams, taking into account any scheduling imbalances from previous years".

For now, though, the shortened tour - the original schedule announced by CSA in July had three Tests, seven ODIs and two T20s pencilled in - means a big loss in revenue for the South African board: it stands to lose R200 million (approx. US$ 20m). Also, it is is very likely that the smaller venues, where matches are usually played to sell-out crowds, will miss out on international cricket this year; the ODIs against India was the only international cricket scheduled this season in East London and Bloemfontein. The window for the series also indicates that CSA cannot host a New Year's Test - that means no India Test at Newlands, or possibly no traditional Boxing Day Test in Durban with a change of venues being an option.

South Africa captain Graeme Smith said his team would be disappointed if the New Year's Test indeed does not happen. "There is a natural disappointment but we don't have enough information. We haven't had any information given to us as a team about the fixtures," Smith said on the eve of second Test against Pakistan, in the UAE. "As far as a New Year's Test goes, its our marque event of the summer and as a team we were hopeful that would happen but we've just got to wait."

Lorgat has been suspended from two of the most important responsibilities in his job profile, but will continue to take care of all the domestic affairs at CSA as well as deal with other ICC members. CSA is yet to appoint a replacement to oversee the India tour in Lorgat's absence.

The South African Cricketers' Association (SACA) also expressed its disappointment at the shortened series. "Everyone is now deprived of a meaningful series, especially in the Test format between the world's top two cricket nations," SACA's chief executive, Tony Irish, said. "I don't see how this can possibly be in the interests of either cricket in this country or of the global game. Cricket is the loser, plain and simple. In addition CSA will suffer massive financial losses which will affect players, cricket programmes and cricket development at all levels in our country.

"The only positive to emerge today is the stated commitment of both CSA and the BCCI to continue with good faith discussions over the possibility of agreeing further scheduled fixtures between the two teams. At very least the players and the fans of both countries deserve that and should be entitled to hold the two boards to this commitment."

The announcement of the tour ends a story that has been playing out for several months and severely tested the relations between the BCCI and CSA, which have been on best terms since the end of apartheid in the early 1990s.

The origin of the issue was the schedule for India's tour of South Africa, which was announced by CSA on July 8. However, it immediately fell into problems because the schedule had not been endorsed by the BCCI. And though there was no official statement, the sticking point seemed to be CSA's appointment of Lorgat as its chief executive despite a series of run-ins between Lorgat and the BCCI during his tenure as ICC chief.

*06.50GMT, October 22: This article has been updated after the BCCI confirmed the South Africa series

'Lorgat situation leaves CSA on shaky ground'

Amol Karhadkar is a correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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  • DSPT on October 23, 2013, 3:27 GMT

    As fan of cricket, and not necessarily of these two countries alone. I would like to see the ICC bring in mandatory rule of having a minimum of 3 tests per series. If it means playing less series so be it, it will give test cricket added meaning and make rankings fairer across the board. I am aware will the majority of scheduling locked in years in advance this probably will not happen. Those are my thoughts.

  • on October 21, 2013, 17:52 GMT

    Two tests and three ODI s in a SA tour happening after so long is too little, too late. Whatever be the reason behind the rescheduling, it is really disappointing. To my mind cricket is at its most entertaining not when batsmen are bludgeoning bowlers on flat wickets, but on green pitches with conditions favoring swing. The most exciting sight in cricket for me is to see a fast bowler running in to bowl on a fast pitch with all slips and gully in place. That's when batsmen are really tested. That's where heroes are made, that's where cricket is. One seldom sees India playing in anything like that these days, and so this series was long awaited. This is dispiriting.

  • AAjmani on October 21, 2013, 17:10 GMT

    Whatever would have been the internal politics b/w BCCI and CSA/Lorgat, ultimately fans of both sides and world over stand loser. Fans were eagerly waiting for the young crop of batsman without any baggage to go and fight it out with Steyn/Philander/Morkel and others. It might have been a great battle and a treat to watch players like Dhawan, Pujata, Kohli and the likes against world no. 1 team. Two test matches would be like serving starters and then asking for the bill. Next tour to SA would be 3 years later in all probability which means India play on SA soil for just two tests in 6 years. With few top teams in cricket, this is hardly justified. There is nothing to gain by winning against against WI and NZ, lot to lose though if India losts!! These two series can never fulfill the appetite of us fans. Poor from BCCI!!

  • on October 29, 2013, 1:43 GMT

    its a joke! india just dsnt want ther rating to go down so they are only playing two test and three one days! because they know playing in south africa is very hard and its gonna bring alot of question marks on team pergormance!

    And everyone know Dale Steyn is good even in indian conditions so playing against him in his home conditions and against Philander is going to be impossible!

    Now india is playing 7 ODI against Australia just because ther batsmens have practiced enough in nets against all australians bowlers so they are use to them!

    In simple Words

    India is scared playing against good teams because still they cant get over what happend to them when pakistan beated them in their Home and pakistabi bowlers made a joke out of Kholi and Raina and all top performers!

  • sysubrceq0 on October 28, 2013, 18:44 GMT

    @INDSlider - take the mirror image of your comments and apply to ENG, NZ, SA, AUS. Who told cricket is played only on fast and bouncy pitches? Do you know India is playing 5-tests in ENG and 4 Tests in AUS next year? If you think cricket is only with Fast Bowlers and Bouncy Pitches then do not watch any cricket in Asia. does SL or BD or PAK has fast and bouncy pitch a la perth or Durban? Asian soil will not suitable to prepare fast n Bouncy pitches. Pitch will detorate from Day 2 and not suitable to play from day 3. Do you know Aus current streak of losing 0-8 to India in India? But you remember the one year whiich India played badly for 8-0 in two different countires. give credit where it is due, BCCI does so many good things to Indian Cricket, which other countires cannot think of.

  • MichaelBurton on October 26, 2013, 8:08 GMT

    I am pretty angry about our BCCI. They always try to prune the number of away test matches against top test nations like SA, Aus and Eng. But, if they are offered against SL, Ban, WI or NZ, they would definitely accept even 5 test matches. Thats how we try to maintain our ranking. On another note, I am pretty happy we are having an away test series rather than home series where our so called great batsmen will score bucketful of runs by preparing flat tracks and we will treat them as legends. I hope SA will thrash us and we plan more away tests and prepare fast bouncy pitches in India immediately after the series. We need players who can score runs outside India not home track bulies. I know my fellow fans will attack me like hell, but before that please think carefully yourselves what is the truth.

  • JetsFanInDenver on October 25, 2013, 18:11 GMT

    Wherever an country or an entity is in a position of power because of the wealth it can generate for itself and everyone it partners with it uses the power to exercise its will. Look at US and how it goes about its business. That is the reality of the situation.

    CSA bit the hand that feeds and its very lucky it gets even 2 Test's and 3 ODI's. For those proposing that CSA should have just walked away should know that playing with India will keep CSA's head above water financially!

  • Al_Bundy1 on October 24, 2013, 22:13 GMT

    I would have loved to see Tendulkar getting mauled by Steyn, Morkel and Philander. Well, Tendulkar escaped a certain mauling. Let's see what our young guns - Dhawan, Pujara, Kohli, Rohit and the rest are made of. Anybody can score on the flat subcontinent wickets. In order to regain #1 test spot, we need our batsmen to perform outside India as well.

  • Beertjie on October 24, 2013, 10:55 GMT

    As someone who has always had a soft spot for India because I am of Indian heritage (although born and bred in Cape Town), I'll forego the pleasure of watching the Newlands New Year, @Robster1 on (October 22, 2013, 13:28 GMT), for seeing India whitewashed by South Africa (and I'm not even a South African fan!).

  • KK_Cricket on October 24, 2013, 7:37 GMT

    India has almost 15 days before they go to NZ for play there and if you remove a week's break and a game to get used to conditions, they could have still played another Test from Jan 02 - 06 and reached India by 8th, left for NZ by 13th and get acclimatized to the conditions there. I seriously reckon that all the fans should get behind BCCI on all possible social forums and get this done as 2 Tests and 3 ODIs in a month is too short and if the tour can be extended by a week, another Test and 1 T20 can be easily accomodated which would make it at least a reasonable tour..

  • DSPT on October 23, 2013, 3:27 GMT

    As fan of cricket, and not necessarily of these two countries alone. I would like to see the ICC bring in mandatory rule of having a minimum of 3 tests per series. If it means playing less series so be it, it will give test cricket added meaning and make rankings fairer across the board. I am aware will the majority of scheduling locked in years in advance this probably will not happen. Those are my thoughts.

  • on October 21, 2013, 17:52 GMT

    Two tests and three ODI s in a SA tour happening after so long is too little, too late. Whatever be the reason behind the rescheduling, it is really disappointing. To my mind cricket is at its most entertaining not when batsmen are bludgeoning bowlers on flat wickets, but on green pitches with conditions favoring swing. The most exciting sight in cricket for me is to see a fast bowler running in to bowl on a fast pitch with all slips and gully in place. That's when batsmen are really tested. That's where heroes are made, that's where cricket is. One seldom sees India playing in anything like that these days, and so this series was long awaited. This is dispiriting.

  • AAjmani on October 21, 2013, 17:10 GMT

    Whatever would have been the internal politics b/w BCCI and CSA/Lorgat, ultimately fans of both sides and world over stand loser. Fans were eagerly waiting for the young crop of batsman without any baggage to go and fight it out with Steyn/Philander/Morkel and others. It might have been a great battle and a treat to watch players like Dhawan, Pujata, Kohli and the likes against world no. 1 team. Two test matches would be like serving starters and then asking for the bill. Next tour to SA would be 3 years later in all probability which means India play on SA soil for just two tests in 6 years. With few top teams in cricket, this is hardly justified. There is nothing to gain by winning against against WI and NZ, lot to lose though if India losts!! These two series can never fulfill the appetite of us fans. Poor from BCCI!!

  • on October 29, 2013, 1:43 GMT

    its a joke! india just dsnt want ther rating to go down so they are only playing two test and three one days! because they know playing in south africa is very hard and its gonna bring alot of question marks on team pergormance!

    And everyone know Dale Steyn is good even in indian conditions so playing against him in his home conditions and against Philander is going to be impossible!

    Now india is playing 7 ODI against Australia just because ther batsmens have practiced enough in nets against all australians bowlers so they are use to them!

    In simple Words

    India is scared playing against good teams because still they cant get over what happend to them when pakistan beated them in their Home and pakistabi bowlers made a joke out of Kholi and Raina and all top performers!

  • sysubrceq0 on October 28, 2013, 18:44 GMT

    @INDSlider - take the mirror image of your comments and apply to ENG, NZ, SA, AUS. Who told cricket is played only on fast and bouncy pitches? Do you know India is playing 5-tests in ENG and 4 Tests in AUS next year? If you think cricket is only with Fast Bowlers and Bouncy Pitches then do not watch any cricket in Asia. does SL or BD or PAK has fast and bouncy pitch a la perth or Durban? Asian soil will not suitable to prepare fast n Bouncy pitches. Pitch will detorate from Day 2 and not suitable to play from day 3. Do you know Aus current streak of losing 0-8 to India in India? But you remember the one year whiich India played badly for 8-0 in two different countires. give credit where it is due, BCCI does so many good things to Indian Cricket, which other countires cannot think of.

  • MichaelBurton on October 26, 2013, 8:08 GMT

    I am pretty angry about our BCCI. They always try to prune the number of away test matches against top test nations like SA, Aus and Eng. But, if they are offered against SL, Ban, WI or NZ, they would definitely accept even 5 test matches. Thats how we try to maintain our ranking. On another note, I am pretty happy we are having an away test series rather than home series where our so called great batsmen will score bucketful of runs by preparing flat tracks and we will treat them as legends. I hope SA will thrash us and we plan more away tests and prepare fast bouncy pitches in India immediately after the series. We need players who can score runs outside India not home track bulies. I know my fellow fans will attack me like hell, but before that please think carefully yourselves what is the truth.

  • JetsFanInDenver on October 25, 2013, 18:11 GMT

    Wherever an country or an entity is in a position of power because of the wealth it can generate for itself and everyone it partners with it uses the power to exercise its will. Look at US and how it goes about its business. That is the reality of the situation.

    CSA bit the hand that feeds and its very lucky it gets even 2 Test's and 3 ODI's. For those proposing that CSA should have just walked away should know that playing with India will keep CSA's head above water financially!

  • Al_Bundy1 on October 24, 2013, 22:13 GMT

    I would have loved to see Tendulkar getting mauled by Steyn, Morkel and Philander. Well, Tendulkar escaped a certain mauling. Let's see what our young guns - Dhawan, Pujara, Kohli, Rohit and the rest are made of. Anybody can score on the flat subcontinent wickets. In order to regain #1 test spot, we need our batsmen to perform outside India as well.

  • Beertjie on October 24, 2013, 10:55 GMT

    As someone who has always had a soft spot for India because I am of Indian heritage (although born and bred in Cape Town), I'll forego the pleasure of watching the Newlands New Year, @Robster1 on (October 22, 2013, 13:28 GMT), for seeing India whitewashed by South Africa (and I'm not even a South African fan!).

  • KK_Cricket on October 24, 2013, 7:37 GMT

    India has almost 15 days before they go to NZ for play there and if you remove a week's break and a game to get used to conditions, they could have still played another Test from Jan 02 - 06 and reached India by 8th, left for NZ by 13th and get acclimatized to the conditions there. I seriously reckon that all the fans should get behind BCCI on all possible social forums and get this done as 2 Tests and 3 ODIs in a month is too short and if the tour can be extended by a week, another Test and 1 T20 can be easily accomodated which would make it at least a reasonable tour..

  • Biso on October 24, 2013, 6:56 GMT

    @proteaboytjie My argument is simple . CSA wanted India to play seven ODI's for revenue generation. If you look at the schedule CSA tried to force on BCCI, it is obvious that the priority was ODI's and not Test Cricket. Boards can boycott India at their own peril . International cricket will perish in no time without BCCI's moolah. Unless China takes to cricket in a major way the status won't change. As for getting a beating in their backyard in ODI's, the team is trying out bowlers and I am sure they will find the right ones for WC within a year. Batting will not be any problem.@ Wijeya. Tell me what is wrong about BCCI forcing their point of interest when it is obvious that 70 % of the revenues come from BCCI. In fact CSA had taken BCCI for granted and that is exactly the reason why relations worsened. BCCI has been arranging matches against Zimbabwe while Aus/Eng have had no test matches against them for a long time. And you blame" India is out to finish Test cricket".

  • sysubrceq0 on October 23, 2013, 23:06 GMT

    As a proud Indian, I am proud of what BCCI does to Indian Cricket. BCCI make sure that all cricketers from First-class level do not need to depend on other jobs for their living after retirement. BCCI works for its own Interest to the Indian Cricket. I do not agree with all BCCI does but i support most of the times as they are right. No one knows what happenned between BCCI and Lorgat, but everyone jumps into conclusion that BCCI is at fault. BCCI informed CSA as a good friend that they do not want Lorgat as CEO as they has bad relationship with him in his ICC tenure. CSA should have thought about two decade relationship with BCCI before appointing Lorgat. When BCCI reject the tour Itinerary, neither CSA nor Lorgat contacted BCCI, but they took it for granted and published the itinerary without BCCI concerns. In the interest of Indian cricket they need to use their power to show CSA who is the boss otherwise SLC will schedule tours with India for every 2 months. GO INDIA..GO BCCI..

  • sysubrceq0 on October 23, 2013, 22:18 GMT

    @Zia Hassan - Why Aus vs SA in 2009 is just 2-test series? Ind vs SA encounters often 2 test seriec except 2010-11. Its ridiculous to blame BCCI for everything. When BCCI asked CSA to revise the 7 ODI's, nobody responded to BCCI and new CEO Lorgat sleeping all the time till BCCI fixed new tours with WI & NZ.

  • sysubrceq0 on October 23, 2013, 22:14 GMT

    @the_blue_andriod, "at least 10-0 looks a tad better than 12-0. there is a reason why India doesn't want to play 4 tests!" , Indis planning to play 5 test series with Eng next year and then 4 Test series with Aus in Dec. Instead of cribbing every time 8-0, look at AUS, India gave them 8-0 in their last 3 tours. So no one is great, everybody is lion at their home. problem is with the board officials not with the losses earlier.

  • proteaboytjie on October 23, 2013, 13:07 GMT

    India are the defending WC champs and SA the number one test team @Biso i find it difficult to understand why SA would be more interested in ODI's than tests. The BCCI is power hungry and soon boards will start to boycoot them...instead of concentrating on cricket the WC are getting a beating in their backyard so your argument has no argument. My only frustration is that not even the ICC stepped in to correct things so what is the point of having a controlling body? Money makes the world go around but without the support all the money in the world wont be enough...narrow minded maybe? rebel league sound familiar? that is what might happen to indian cricket in a few years and the rest of the nations will go on as if nothing is wrong.

  • Ntejani on October 23, 2013, 12:23 GMT

    Shame Shame CSA, CSA don't have guts to stand against BCCI.

  • prasadkfsc on October 23, 2013, 11:17 GMT

    Its absolute disgrace after so much of preparation, talk and media hype sending Indian A listed stars like Dhawan, pujara, raina rohit all to SA for prep and finally settling for 2 tests is absolutely disappointing, I have been feeling bad since I heard the news, and the way BCCI works, they get all the grounds covered, they even put super stars like RAvi Sastri, Gavaskar kind of media people to talk positive about this 2 test match tour to SA and people will forget it. Guess, they should cancel these 2 tests and play 2 more one-days n 3 twenty twenty matches they might get good money, India whenever visit abroad can keep loosing 4-0 5-0 3-0 whatever in shameless manner. They so powerful and can do anything, MUST get the test cricket right in India like AUS, ENG and SA. Thanks

  • wijeya on October 23, 2013, 10:27 GMT

    its absolutely atrocious that the BCCI are able to twist the arm of CSA to the extent that Lorgat is stood down. The extent of their influence is to the detrement of cricket

  • on October 23, 2013, 6:40 GMT

    Regardless of whoever is to blame, cricket is the loser. I agree that a test series should have at least 3 tests. Playing any less is like getting dropping your drink after one sip.

  • Biso on October 23, 2013, 5:23 GMT

    @lillianThomson: " the Future Tours Program is a multi-lateral binding contract"...That seems to be one commandment you drafted for ICC in your dreams. And Becker knows that too. Amazing! Oh yes! the matter will sure be taken up in King Solomon's court. BCCI surely awaits a beating.

  • Biso on October 23, 2013, 5:12 GMT

    @Pitch_Curator and @ pj110- Agree with you. It is indeed quite amusing to find Saffers and Pakistan fans blaming BCCI for the number of test matches in tour to be limited to two only. The fact is that CSA are more interested in ODI's than tests. It has become a fashion to bash the BCCI for ones own frustrations. LOL BCCI are looking after their own interests and have done ICC member countries good by ensuring that Lorgat is put in his place. The fact is that majority of the ICC members have agreed to investigate the role of Mr.Becker.

  • on October 23, 2013, 4:55 GMT

    the thing is our bcci can do without the support of other boards but can the opposite be done no way the other boards need our money so they better do the things the way bcci wants them to happen as someone rightly said indian cricket can survive without others but others cant ...and people stop portraying bcci as the root cause of all evil and see the help that bcci has done by supporting cash strapped board such as the srilankan board.

  • balajik1968 on October 23, 2013, 4:52 GMT

    The BCCI may have had issues with CSA, but the way they this whole fracas was dealt with left a bad taste in the mouth. I am not going into the merits/demerits, but surely the thing could have been handled with a lot more finesse. I am disappointed with the itinerary. Surely we could have played one more test, cut out the ODI's and had a bilateral series later. I would have loved to see the next generation of Indian batsmen cope with the likes of Steyn, Morkel and Philander. Equally, I would have loved to watch Kallis and deVilliers bat. Believe me, I feel cheated already, regardless of outcome

    Unfortunately, we have one more year of Mr. N Srinivasan. Let's hope the BCCI elects someone more tactful next year, someone who will repair the damage to the BCCI's image. We can disagree, but disagree politely.

  • GURBAXX on October 23, 2013, 4:20 GMT

    only two test and three odi, its realy hurting every cricket fan. bad news. should be 4 test, 5 odi. 2 or 3 t-20.

  • banglafan on October 23, 2013, 3:32 GMT

    It is well known that the ruckus raised by BCCI is only to accomodate Sachin;s 200th test. It would only be a befitting snub to shortening the SA tour and depriving them of much needed revenue if India loses 0-2 in the test series.

  • on October 23, 2013, 3:30 GMT

    There is something between logart and bcci that we dont know but this whole episode has gone too far an extent. England and australian boards were showing big brother attitiude for so nany decades, now the lower center has shifted to india. One upmanship is good if it is used constructively, unlike aussie and english boards in the past, bcci iamsure will act more responsible and play a more constructive role in world cricket.

  • the_blue_android on October 23, 2013, 3:15 GMT

    Fortunately, I can call it quits after these two test matches. I can make use my of time much better and do something constructive instead of watching mindless useless home tests against minnows,pointless ODIs and T20s.

  • Abaa on October 23, 2013, 2:53 GMT

    BCCI is being an unbelievably immature bully in this scenario ...

  • YS_USA on October 23, 2013, 1:48 GMT

    The root cause of this evil is that all boards are dependent on India for 70% of their cricket revenue. Pakistan is surviving without playing India and without IPL, so other boards could survive too without Indian money but they do not want to do that. And, then again, why should they give up Indian money?

  • the_blue_android on October 23, 2013, 1:05 GMT

    at least 10-0 looks a tad better than 12-0. there is a reason why India doesn't want to play 4 tests!

  • chechong0114 on October 23, 2013, 0:13 GMT

    This situation is a sobering reality of the power of money, it is a tale of two completely different worlds and there is a lot to be learned from this scenario for those who want to be educated. I have been a firm believer for years that the sport of cricket has not spent enough time and interest on generating revenue and like it or not the BCCI and its cricketing interest has done there homework in that department. It does not matter how many test matches you win or how high you are on the ICC rankings it boils down to one thing and one thing only the MIGHTY DOLLAR and its the only thing that holds power on this type of playing field and it shows in this present matter. This series has been split in more than half only GOD can calculate the amount of revenue these people will lose in this shortened series but other cricket nations can learn from this, not in a bad way but they need to do more and find better ways to make money. And end all these empty seats at cricket tournaments.

  • dattman on October 23, 2013, 0:03 GMT

    For Over 100 Years Australia and England Decided on Everything to do with Cricket. They did not play test cricket with Subcontinent teams on regular basis and mostly laughed off teams from Subcontinent. It was all about ASHES and Preparing for Ashes. The Tide has turned and and We Aussies/English/Kiwi's are unable to digest that the power have shifted and that over 80 % of Income generated in Cricket is coming from India. People like Logart and others are unable to digest this and accept the facts. And IF CSA .CA etc are not happy with Playing test with India, they should not play and in doing so will kill cricket in those country.I wonder why all the teams want to play India .. Oh Yeah.. it is all to do with $$$$

  • bhushanB on October 22, 2013, 23:56 GMT

    two tests is sad......5 would have been awesome... but below 3 is injustice..... but we all knew it was coming....still difficult to accept.

  • asiacricket1234 on October 22, 2013, 23:02 GMT

    Well I guess thats one way to ensure that there isn't gonna be another 4-0 ;). Well Played BCCI :D

  • HariKolavasi on October 22, 2013, 22:43 GMT

    Just 2 tests series after all this saga??? BCCI - Shame on you and your politics. Please let cricket live like a sport, not as a business prospect. Don't just play the politics at the cost of game's interests.

  • fijindu on October 22, 2013, 22:00 GMT

    I look at this way. If another family made a decision for your family without consulting your family how would you feel if that decision was not to your liking? CSA via Lorgat made a decision for BCCI without consulting with BCCI. wrong move...

  • Hammond on October 22, 2013, 21:41 GMT

    Very funny. So the BCCI now dictates who can sit as CEO on other cricketing boards, by flouting the future tours programme and taking away the almighty dollar because someone had the guts to say that they are monopolising the game. Funny, I can't remember CSA ever raising an eyebrow when John Howard was denied the Presidency of the ICC by the BCCI because he made some comments about Murali's bowling action. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Very funny.

  • willsrustynuts on October 22, 2013, 21:32 GMT

    This is really embarrassing for World cricket. The BCCI are determined to persist with their 'its our ball, our rules' policy and weak boards in other countries are bending over backwards to accommodate this childish behaviour.

    Only positive is that India can only loose 2 tests.

  • yorkslanka on October 22, 2013, 21:29 GMT

    so the schoolyard tantrum that the BCCI has had is starting to bear fruits?pathetic behaviour. they have NO business dictating who forms part of another country's board as no country has any right to dictate to India on their internal policies...the only people losing out here are the cricket fans..BCCI needs to beware, money is important but so is having opponents to play against..mamking enemies of lots of other boards is not eh way forward and will come back to bite them..again those that will suffer if that happens is the indian public. glad to see so many sensible indians sharing my view on here..

  • MCC_Tie on October 22, 2013, 20:55 GMT

    Am I the only one worried about the fact that the BCCI has in the first instance blatantly flouted the FTP and then to make matters worse has now used its muscle to intervene in the affairs of another board? VERY worrying for the future of the game at a critical time in its development.

  • GeoffreysMother on October 22, 2013, 19:54 GMT

    It is good to see so many Indian fans being embarrassed by the BCCI's behaviour. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Lorgat's statement this is a minor issue being dealt with in a spiteful and bullying way. By fitting an unscheduled Test series at home against the West Indies just so a player ( who has already had enough adulation to last several lifetimes) can retire in front of his home crowd, cheapens cricket. It also looks like the BCCI want to get out of the S.African test series with as little damage as possible (given they lost 4 - 0 in both the last two series on wickets where the ball bounces above knee height ). I am certain this is not what either Fletcher or the new crop of Indian players (certainly the batsmen) want - they will want to show they can measure up to good teams anywhere. Indian fans, as well as South African and cricket fans the world over should feel short changed by the BCCI.

  • warneshane on October 22, 2013, 19:18 GMT

    AAjmani ..........Featured comment

    You started with, "Whatever would have been the internal politics b/w BCCI and CSA/Lorgat" It means that you have no clue about this issue either. You summed up with " Poor from BCCI!!" If you are not aware about core problems in this matter, how did you hold a single party responsible for this poor stuff? As a neutral fan, I feel both if so. On BCCI's part, if they are arranging tour with WI or NZL, why do you have objections over here? WI/NZL are also Test status teams and they have equal rights to play with any Test team. It's not WWF wrestling fight as some fans like you are proclaiming here. One of the worst days for cricket are seen here. I don't hesitate to say the game of cricket won't grow up if we get these kinds of fans. It is the fans who make game bigger than any. But feel very bad to see fans fighting for the best among all formats of the game. And we have been guaranteed to watch 300 days of cricket in whole calender year.

  • GrindAR on October 22, 2013, 18:31 GMT

    @AAjmani: It was a good narration.

  • ProdigyA on October 22, 2013, 17:21 GMT

    It's almost like Indians are expected to be in the good books of the world irrespective of what right or wrong. By mistake if someone stands up, BCCI in this case, they are evil. Funny isn't it.

  • on October 22, 2013, 16:43 GMT

    Though I do not agree with BCCI in all aspects but feels good. :-)

  • ThatsJustCricket on October 22, 2013, 16:20 GMT

    All those guys chiming here for a new years test at the expense of the 3 ODIs, I would have loved that too. Somehow, I don't think CSA would have been too happy about it. It seems to me that this 2 test, 3 ODI model gives CSA a chance to earn more revenue and provide games to a bigger number of venues.

  • Prats6 on October 22, 2013, 16:08 GMT

    This is a shame. I am an Indian and simply cannot believe how can SA allow this. Respect to me is bigger than money and I would not mind this tour not happening rather than bending backwards to accommodate BCCI. For God's sake, will someone please stand up to BCCI. We should also remember, what goes around comes around and we might face the same thing ahead.

  • santhoo24 on October 22, 2013, 15:58 GMT

    few things to note:

    1. It's comical and hypocritical that on one hand everyone wants BCCI's money, but not what BCCI wants. People go to lengths demanding SA and other boards to pull off series with BCCI when they know the financial ramifications their boards face by pulling off/boycotting series with BCCI

    2. More than SA and Indian fans, it's people from other countries who are shouting out loud

    3. People calling BCCI a bully try being in BCCI's place and see how you would react

    4. Most importantly, how many of you REALLY sit in front of your TV or go to a stadium for 5 days to watch a TEST match? To me it's like a domestic first class game, I would log in to cricinfo and see the scors, and get on with my day. ODI/T20 is a different story, I would watch a complete game knowing that the match would be over by the end of the day without me falling asleep.

  • zxaar on October 22, 2013, 15:57 GMT

    @ Kays789 "guy who plays just for personal records could retire without being embarrassed on south african pitches. " ----------------------------- I think you are confused Dravid is already retired who was embrassed on SA pitches and averages 29. There is no need for BCCI to arrange for Dravid anymore.

  • pitch_curator on October 22, 2013, 15:55 GMT

    @ JustIPL - Other than this issue, where BCCI was dealing with a self proclaimed BCCI basher, can you quote any instance where BCCI interefered in other country's boards' affairs? If BCCI was so hell bent on undermining authority of other boards then why did they introduce a clause in IPL that for a player to participate, he has to get clearance from his own cricket board???

  • Maqsood_aalam on October 22, 2013, 15:46 GMT

    They were struggling to register single victory in Colombo & Pallekele few weeks ago. They are struggling against most depleted team(Pakistan) who lost to last ranked team most recently. They have given enough confidence to this Pak team to revive once again. They are on the verge of whitewash in Test series now. Their 2-Test model for maintaining the top ranking has been backfired on themselves. Now they have created mess with BCCI on tour issue. They are going to face new look Indian side under lot of pressure. They are struggling at home too as stats shows they are not good on home soil. Their fans know they can't fight against this Indian side. Back to back second white wash on the cards and their fans get crazy here to fight against rival fans on this forum. Sad days for my favourite side South Africa.

  • Biggest_Cricket_Fan on October 22, 2013, 15:13 GMT

    I am an Indian and proud Indian. But this current matters between BCCI and CSA have left me feeling really sad and shameful considering the way BCCI is doing things these days in world cricket. No way I am trying to say which party is right or wrong. But its high time, ICC put brakes on BCCI and his bullying in world cricket. No matter how much is said here and everywhere that 'Money should not rule at least the Game', fact of matter is otherwise. I just hope CSA cricket prepares the pitches where the real batting skills are tested for Indian batsman and world gets to see what Indian batting is really capable of and how flat pitch bullies are likes of Rohit Sharma, Suresh Raina etc. I hope BCCI does not get to interfer in pitch preparations. Time for Steyn and company to give it back with compound interest.

  • cnksnk on October 22, 2013, 14:52 GMT

    Folks, for all the BcCI bashing some facts. SA seems to prefer the formulae of 2 tests and multiple ODIs. Note that even the on going series with Pak is for 2 tests and 5 ODIs. Even the earlier released schedule had only 3 tests and 7 ODIs. So here was never a proposal from CSA to play 4 - 5 tests. SO what we have lost is 1 test, which is a big loss and 4 ODIs which I dont think most fans are loosing sleep over, although it may set CSA back financially. CSA seems to be comfortable playing a maximum of 3 tests and in a number of case only 2. When was the last time that SA played 5 test series against any one. SO CSA sems to be happy with less tests and more ODIs even though SA is No 1. Seems to be a gap between fan expectation and CSA plans. Having said this it will still be great if BCCI can agree for the 3 rd tests starting new yea. HOwever I would suspect that CSA would have been ok with 7 tests and 2 ODIs instead of even the current schedule.

  • test_cricket_lover on October 22, 2013, 14:35 GMT

    Good job ! The BCCI has put CSA in its place ! The BCCI has put Lorgat in his place. Importantly, the GREAT BCCI has also put the long-term cricket followers in their places. Good job and Viva BCCI !!

  • simpleguy2008 on October 22, 2013, 14:30 GMT

    As this short tour will be important there is should be a udrs and BCCI now should accept this udrs system it will be better for cricket and important for the series where ever they will be playing.

  • MartinC on October 22, 2013, 14:25 GMT

    Whatever the circumstances a 2 Test series between 2 of the top 3 ranked teams is a disgrace. There should be a 3 Test minimum for any series between teams ranked say in the top 5.

    I feel very sorry for the cricket public in both SA and India in particular and its an insult to cricket fans globally.

  • harishk19812007 on October 22, 2013, 14:23 GMT

    All you people criticizing BCCI either don't have morals/ethics or that don't have any understanding and knowledge of how things work b/w two organisations at international level....BCCI IS NOT DICTATING ANYTHING HERE.....they are only saying they are not comfortable dealing with one particular person (in this case Loragt) and if CSA wants to do business with BCCI they should look into their concern but what did CSA do 1) they appointed some one that BCCI was not comfortable with and 2) they announced the tour schedule with out the other organisation's consent and expected BCCI to accepted it like a fool (I COULD ONLY IMAGINE IF BCCI HAD DONE THIS HOW BIGGER VILLAIN BCCI WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED).... Now CSA has to suspend the person not to deal with BCCI.....HOW IS BCCI DICTATING ANYTHING HERE..CSA ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION OF CANCELLING THE TOUR IF THEY WISH (but they know they were at fault) hence have to face the consequences now. I can hardly see BCCI being at fault in these events

  • Kays789 on October 22, 2013, 14:09 GMT

    This is nothing but one big charade so that the bcci could arrange a couple of home tests so that guy who plays just for personal records could retire without being embarrassed on south african pitches. When one man becomes bigger than the game then you know there's no hope for the game in that country anymore.

  • nlambda on October 22, 2013, 14:00 GMT

    Two tests are better than none, I guess. Am hopeful that once the Lorgat issue is settled, India will go back for another 2 tests next year. Although my suspicion is that what BCCI will do is go to SA for 7 ODIs to make the SA board financially happy.

  • Iqbal_Hasan on October 22, 2013, 13:55 GMT

    @Ownsbcci If arrogance was wrong in the 60s/70's/80's surely it is wrong now. A two test series between two top-flight cricketing nations is ridiculous

  • on October 22, 2013, 13:52 GMT

    To those who're shamelessly likening BCCI to USA: major sports (no wonder cricket isn't one ) don't have such superpowers. USA doesn't dictate things in any sports. Brazil though great in soccer doesn't. Nor did Federer.

  • Nirvaay on October 22, 2013, 13:48 GMT

    I am from india.... I am starting to hate BCCI....they are just a bully....and I just heard sunil gavaskar who is contracted to BCCI giving comments on ndtv and he didn speak even a single word against BCCI for having only 2 tests jus coz of BCCI didn like lorgat....still srinivasan says that they don control their commentators....sad day for cricket and hats off to Mr. Ian chappel for taking a strong stance against such menace....

  • RyanStephen on October 22, 2013, 13:37 GMT

    Why do you guys believe the BCCI when they say they were "not consulted" about the original tour schedule?

    These original tour dates that they were "not consulted" about were published on the BCCI website a long time ago.

    And to all the "CSA had no dignity" comments.. Should they have rather chosen bankruptcy? They chose for SA cricket to stay alive.. Be grateful.

  • grizzle on October 22, 2013, 13:31 GMT

    @zxaar: LOL. Pray tell me what exactly it is that Lorgat has done? Dalmiya says he would like it if Lorgat apologizes but for what? For ensuring that stadiums that were behind schedule for the World cup didn't get marquee matches? I don't see why that was wrong. Secondly, and more importantly, the BCCI should not use personal vendettas as a reason to curtail a tour that was widely expected to happen. This hurts the fans of both countries. BCCI, blessed by the fact (not any of its doing) that it monopolizes cricket in a nation with a massive cricket crazy population, is using this to arm-twist lesser countries in doing what it wants, torpedoing test series we are looking forward to in the process. I don't see how many Indians don't get this. BCCI has all the power here: it is NOT being bullied. It is, without any doubt, doing all the bullying. And it is not just a matter of CSA getting bullied: we (the fans) are losing out too!

  • Robster1 on October 22, 2013, 13:28 GMT

    No Newlands New Year test !?! That's unforgivable.

  • mmmuthukumar on October 22, 2013, 13:23 GMT

    India toured AUS in 1992 and the next tour was in 2000

  • nattuz on October 22, 2013, 13:22 GMT

    come on bcci. let us play atleast 3 tests and 5 ODI's & couple of T20's. eventhough we are going to get battered in SA it would be good test by fire for our younger lot in trying conditions.

  • Blueangle on October 22, 2013, 13:06 GMT

    Soon there be more preconditions. 1) test should be played on flat pitches, 2) Styne, Morkel and Philander should be rested or allowed to bowl only 5 overs / innings 3) amla, devilier and Kallis either should be rested after exhausting UAE tour or should retire-out after scoring 50.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on October 22, 2013, 13:04 GMT

    At least Ind fans got to credit BCCI for something .Didn't think i'd be saying it .Yes, I said credit BCCI ! India will lose all the matches in South Africa. BCCI is doing its utmost to minimise the number of losses .

  • Arrow011 on October 22, 2013, 13:02 GMT

    Haroon has always been a problem wherever he went. Respects to Srinivasan who stood his ground & removed the problem South African cricket had. It is yeoman service to CSA from Srinivasan (BCCI), hope we have a 5 test series between these 2 cricket playing nations & 7 ODIs every 2-3 years. With small 2 test series cricket is killing itself, no sense at all. 3 tests should be minimum. T20s are there are not does not make any difference, it is time all ICC members play each other well, not part take in tit bit series every now & then.

  • electric_loco_WAP4 on October 22, 2013, 12:57 GMT

    Welcome to the Sovereign Republic of the BCCI ! Of course when it comes to BCCI to command its authority ICC and all members just shut up and follow,lest they be a subject of 'mighty' BCCI's anger . As to the series looking to a nice 2-0 w/w by home side on juicy home pitches.

  • DUKECOUNT on October 22, 2013, 12:41 GMT

    As an Indian, feel so proud of the BCCI (& am not being sarcastic, mind u). Totally agree with SuperSharky's comments, Lorgat was a total misfit for the job, even during his tenure with the ICC and I was totally bewildered that a progressive cricket body like CSA would appoint him as its head..Now I understand that he got the job more for his political connections than his cricketing acumen..BCCI have once again proved that "With great power comes great responsibilities and that they do NOT shy away from them"..They have had the guts to be the only cricket board to stand up to Lorgat's dictatorial rein and have been vindicated by the great support that they received from majority of the members in the ICC Executive Board meeting in London..Kudos to the BCCI's bravado in ousting Lorgat, which many Saffers too were secretly wishing and praying for fervently..Mr. Srinivasan has once again made his critics eat their humble pie and three cheers to him and his team

  • landl47 on October 22, 2013, 12:12 GMT

    Whatever the politics, I think most cricket fans are disappointed that two top teams get to play so little cricket against each other. I was looking forward to seeing the young Indian batsmen against the SA bowlers.

    Perhaps, seeing the outcry by Indian fans, the BCCI will try to set up another series before too long. SA have a comparatively lighter schedule than England or Australia and cricket can be played there most of the year, so it shouldn't be impossible.

  • Ownsbcci on October 22, 2013, 12:05 GMT

    Fairly simple - FTP doesn't hold any legal binding until is it agreed by both parties (nations). In this case BCCI never agreed so no legal implications.

    People who think BCCI is an arrogant cricketing body and flex its muscles needs to think about how other boards dictated terms to ICC and other boards in 70s/80s/90s

  • heathrf1974 on October 22, 2013, 12:02 GMT

    It's a shame that a few greedy and egotistically driven people are damaging the game for the fans.

  • Kash89 on October 22, 2013, 11:51 GMT

    Let there be peace and cricket prevail where ever it is played. Please have politics played elsewhere

  • Beertjie on October 22, 2013, 11:39 GMT

    As someone whose grandparents lived in India it pains me to say (in response to @Arun Bose on (October 22, 2013, 11:07 GMT) that I will be desperately hoping for a whitewash of all games by South Africa. The arrogance of this kind of Indian will lead to India becoming reviled the world over (unfairly of course, but understandably, much as is the case presently with the USA).

  • Cricketsasportnotproduct on October 22, 2013, 11:33 GMT

    As an Indian fan, I feel ashamed of BCCI's conduct. They have done nothing to nurture cricket in India. Most of the cricket is still played with tennis ball and proper cricket. They have not set up any facilities for common man to send his kids to learn cricket. They have not built any nets. They have not invested in coaches (their training, knowledge, handling of affairs) and list just goes on.

    As a Indian cricket fan I was looking forward to a long trip. This was our response to the world that now we are ready to be number 1 in Test cricket too. BCCI have just ruined it.

  • JustIPL on October 22, 2013, 11:31 GMT

    @pitch_curator: the matter is that BCCI pokes nose into everything that impacts boards of other countries while all the countries you mentioned are entangled into their own problems and don't impact other boards. That is why all non indian or anti indian fans are lambasting BCCI and indian fans who support them at all costs.

  • SuperSharky on October 22, 2013, 11:26 GMT

    I, as a Saffer, can't help but agree with Narayanaswami Srinivasan. Haroon Lorgat got to go. To me Haroon has always been too political and I couldn't understand how he keep other great South African, previously cricket players and businessmen, out of the job. I also have a few questions about Haroon decisions in the past and I fear that the rumors are true that it is his political connections who gave him the status for his job. I just want to shout for equal rights and that cricket , it's players and spectators, must win in the end. India were the first country to welcome South Africa back after it's isolation years. And most Indians always wanted equal rights and players to be picked on merit. After the isolation they didn't play the racial transformation card with South Africa. Respect to India and I hope that Haroon Lorgat goes and that India will tour South Africa.

  • Puneet_Agrawal on October 22, 2013, 11:20 GMT

    With great Power comes great responsibility. BCCI is doing just the opposite. What a shame. Coming from the largets demoratic nation in the world, BCCI is behaving as the biggest Dictator in the world. It can not withstand anything which is not to its liking or does not support its view point. It is afraid of commentators who would be part of the broadcastinf panel of TV channels. It is behaing in the most arrogant manner. Time will not be far, when the wheel of Time will turn and then they will be paid back in the same coin. But we know, BCCI officials don't care about it a by that time they would have gone. They are depriving fans of the great contest between India and south Afica, any other board would have bent backwards to see a successful series between this two great cricketing nations but not BCCI. It truly is time that they are also sacked like the Pakistan Govt has done with PCCB. May be it will happen sooner than later. I know, my cable may be disconnected by BCCI for this

  • on October 22, 2013, 11:07 GMT

    @PrasPunter- Yeah like ur team got humbled in England in the recently concluded ashes series, They will be again humbled in home in the comung ashes in OZ.. @AllBcci and India bashers and naive indians- Who really cares what "you" think? "You" are nothing, "You" can't do squat abt this series or anything regarding cricket other than just commenting on cricinfo. SA is exactly getting what they deserves.. Nobody watch test matches in SA.. CSA learned a lesson abt not to mess with the giant without proper weapons.. Steyn, Morkel, Philander and co. will receive the beating of their lifetime from Indian batters this december.. Safricans.. Be prepared and be scared of this new team India..

  • Venkatb on October 22, 2013, 11:02 GMT

    A sad day for the sport of cricket where the BCCI continues to bully any opposition - it does not seem to matter that Indai will get steamrolled on the field - matches have been conveniently arranged on home turf so that India would have everything working its way and move up in the rankings - the disasters in England and Australia and then at home against England are all a distant memory. Unlike other countries that excel at several other sports, 1 billion+ Indians have only cricket to follow, irrespective of how badly the team plays

  • rajaram1105 on October 22, 2013, 10:49 GMT

    I agree with Vishal Kalra on the sentiments of Indian fans. I also agree with CLem Human where in the past Boards were doing things subtly now it is blatant.

    Anyway, looking forward to a wonderful series and hopefully will go and watch a live game.

  • orangtan on October 22, 2013, 10:39 GMT

    While there are a lot of one-eyed Indian supporters on this forum, there is none remotely approaching the jingoistic levels of PrasPunter who has an ABI ( Anybody but India) approach. I am amazed that he gets away with posting such extreme views on an international forum, double standards as always !!

  • JustIPL on October 22, 2013, 10:38 GMT

    Those who are asking for more tests in SA series basically assume that india will fail on bouncy surfaces and then they will flood these forums to say india are flat track bully etc. but India have very good batting lineup and also with some good bolwers on bowler friendly conditions will mean that india will compete. Just they will be coming from shorter formats practice while SA would have faced one of the best bowling lineups in tests, the competetion can be fierce.

  • bobmartin on October 22, 2013, 10:38 GMT

    Two things strike me about this affair.. 1. BCCI is not interested in the fans/supporters. All they are interested in is power for powers sake. They can afford to lose the income from this series, unfortunately CSA can't... So by shortening the tour SA will pay for it's heinous crime of releasing the dates agreed by the ICC FTP before consulting the BCCI.. A breach of protocol perhaps, but hardly the end of the world. Nonetheless the BCCI has to prove its power and SA will pay the price...2.. The BCCI know that India are likely to be beaten, probably whitewashed by SA... and a 2-0 beating won't affect their ICC Ranking as much as a 3-0 drubbing would. Well done the BCCI..Once again you have proved to real cricket fans just how little you care about the game..Is it any wonder why even some Indian cricket supporters are turning against you.

  • on October 22, 2013, 10:37 GMT

    My immediate gut reaction is that fans should boycott this tour and not attend the matches. The problem, I suppose, is who gets hurt more by that? Probably CSA. But then maybe they deserve it a little for succumbing to the bullying from the BCCI.

    At the very least I hope the fans, if they do attend, will make their "voices" heard by letting the BCCI know how they feel with some colourful banners...

  • stormy16 on October 22, 2013, 10:37 GMT

    BCCI V CSA V Logart V ICC - I don't see anyone calling for what the fans want! We want a boxing day test and 3 match test series between two top teams. Once again this is a sad example of where the administrators become bigger than the game and we the fans have to sit around waiting for this mob to sort out ego's etc. The administrators must be held to account here, the game is about the players and the fans and not the administrators.

  • Cobra0077 on October 22, 2013, 10:31 GMT

    For those saying CSA fans who are slamming BCCI for all of this, they should go to the Times of India website and check what Indian cricket fans are saying. It is time for the CSA cricket fans to show their displeasure at BCCI and boycott this series

  • Alistair0610 on October 22, 2013, 10:28 GMT

    A sad day for cricket. The BCCI are a disgrace.

  • BellCurve on October 22, 2013, 10:20 GMT

    Let's focus on the positives. The T20Is have been cancelled, and the number of ODIs have been reduced from 7 to 3 :)

  • hhillbumper on October 22, 2013, 10:19 GMT

    Here's looking forward to the normal display from India when travelling abroad. Maybe the BCCI could have it written in to the rules that no one can bowl fast at the poor dears in case they break a perm.

  • HDG1978 on October 22, 2013, 10:14 GMT

    I completely agree with 504429641. If WI can schedule 3 Tests, 5 ODIs and 2 T20Is against NZ before NZ host India in Jan'14, India can also comfortably play the same number in SA during that period. I guess this is more politics between Boards that has led to reduction in No. of Tests. BCCI has never really supported Tests in the past 2 decades as ODIs and T20Is are commercially more viable and BCCI are more interested in monry than the genuine welfare of Indian cricket. The same Team India will be playing 5 Tests in Eng in 2014 and 4 in Aus in 2014-15 as these series are more lucrative. Not surprisngly SRT will play only 200 Tests over his career span of 24 years thanks to the BCCI's apathy towards Test cricket. However, SA's last tour to India also comprised only 2 Tests and 3 ODIs in February 2010 despite no Int'l engagements for both teams in March and April 2010 (India's cricketing season). Is the BCCI returning the compliment by reducing the Tests in SA from 3 to 2?

  • pitch_curator on October 22, 2013, 10:14 GMT

    I find it strange that fans from countries outside of India are lambasting BCCI for the shortened tour when it is the Indian fans who are hurt the most. We have the aussie cricket board which mentions entertainment more times than cricket in their BBL announcement. We have the SL board which relies on their army to maintain their grounds. We have the West Indies cricket board which does not get along with any players. We have the South African board whose former chief was caught for financial impropriety and thrown out. We have the ECB which seems to be more interested in promoting Hawkeye's interests than crickets. And we have the PCB about which the lesser said the better. So, I find it amusing when all these countries fans come and give lectures to the BCCI. First take care of your own countries boards and then come for lectures.

  • Zahidsaltin on October 22, 2013, 10:02 GMT

    It's a black day for cricket. Indian might succeeded in blackmailing another board to suspend its CEO. Shame

  • Julian017 on October 22, 2013, 10:02 GMT

    It's a shame to see that Sth Africa have finally dropped to their knees and done as they are told by the BCCI...they are the last Board to go

    An Indian Players Association with some real teeth is the best hope for world cricket. Most Indian fans are fans of cricketers.

    The senior players need to make that happen but I'm not holding my breath. Its a shame Sachin as done nothing here.

  • anshu.s on October 22, 2013, 9:59 GMT

    I believe in adage something is better than nothing .I would have ideally liked 4 tests or atleast 3 but CSA were very keen to push for minimum of 3 ODI's so a third test had to be ruled out , i can understand CSA keeness to push for a certain number of ODI'S as SA TV rights holders Supersports insists on them because they fetch good ratings in SA and you are guranteed full houses in the grounds, in short ODI's are a lucrative business in SA,so you see it is not only BCCI who insists all the time on shorter formats. We should be greatful for the fact that we are atleast having 2 tests , it is not ideal for a marquee and much awaited clash but given the circumstances one has to make do with it .

  • JyothiRaj on October 22, 2013, 9:50 GMT

    Please remove ODIs we need more tests...few T20s

  • truant707 on October 22, 2013, 9:47 GMT

    I agree that we fans are final losers in this fight, but CSA started it. They released the itinerary without BCCIs approval and when BCCI objected, one of their lawyers effectively threatened with legal action. You can't pick a fight with a bully and then blame them for... well bullying!

  • ladycricfan on October 22, 2013, 9:39 GMT

    It is ICC which is initiating the inquiry. It is ICC which is considering legal action against Becker. It is CSA which is withdrawing Lorgat from ICC and BCCI affairs. You need 7 or more votes from the ICC members for the ICC to act. That means majority in the ICC seems to be with BCCI on affairs related to Lorgat and Becker.Why people are still bashing BCCI?

  • zxaar on October 22, 2013, 9:39 GMT

    @grizzle "Disgusted by the BCCI and their actions. Even more disgusted by my countrymen/women on this forum who are proud of the BCCI." --------------------- But you are fine with Lorgat bullying BCCI correct. We indians shall do as told by CSA , is this your stand on it. Saying NO to a tour that is decided without consent is the best thing BCCI has done. Here is a thing Mr. Grizzle this is 2013 and India is no longer occupied , wake up.

  • SurlyCynic on October 22, 2013, 9:25 GMT

    I don't really understand how cricket fans, whether from India, SA or anywhere else, can be happy that there are now only two tests between two of the top teams in the world. I was really looking forward to seeing India's great young batsmen against SA's pace bowlers, and test cricket needs contests like this. Remember Steyn vs Sachin last time?

    I support cricket and my cricket team, not a bunch of administrators with egos. Yet it appears from the comments here that many people are more interested in supporting their board than the sport. Which is sad, as cricket is only played at a top level by a few countries and we need each other.

  • paapam on October 22, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    Something is better than nothing but nothing is bettet than nonsense. The BCCI has sown the wind. It will reap the whirlwind.

  • anshu.s on October 22, 2013, 9:09 GMT

    @PrasPunter, worry about your own Australian cricket first before castigating Indian cricket .First worry about on field performance of Australian team and forthcoming Ashes and secondly please take notice of declining popularity of cricket in Australia.AFL and NRL were already ahead of cricket in popularity stakes and now Football or soccer as you blokes call it is threatning to overtake cricket, if you take Australian Bureau of Statistics findings in to account one will find among the age group of 8 to 15 partcipation levels in cricket is quite low compared to other sports.I know your twin passions on Cricinfo is to bash BCCI and thrash all T20 formats but ironically these two will help revive interest in cricket in Australia among the kids and the youth .

  • 504429641 on October 22, 2013, 9:07 GMT

    I guess with the time frame we have between WI series and NZ series, we can easily fit in 3 tests and 3 ODI's. If anyone can notice, WI is travelling to NZ after India series and plays 3 tests, 5 ODIs and 2 T20Is before India goes to NZ. In the same time frame if WI can play 3 Tests, 5 ODI and 2 T20I, why can't India play 3 Tests and 3 ODIs in the same time period. agreed that both are away series for India but it is the same for WI too. Still if you remove a week after WI series and a week before NZ series, still you can easily fit in 3 Tests and 3 ODIs. I don't know why only two tests are planned. There must be some other reason to reduce the tests other than timeline.

  • harmske on October 22, 2013, 9:05 GMT

    @arun_padmanabhan - that's the point exactly. the BCCI are using their financial clout to influence how other board's operate. BCCI do not want to talk to him, well boo-hoo. part of operating in a global context is to deal with people from different backgrounds with different opinions. just because he's voiced his opinions in the past about the BCCI and doesn't bend over for them doesn't mean the BCCI can flex their muscles and say we will cancel the tour if he is still in charge of our dealings.

    nobody likes a bully.

  • vish57 on October 22, 2013, 9:03 GMT

    BCCI has been unfair to CSA because of personal differences between 2 individuals. Let BCCI squeeze 1 more test and push NZ tour by a week so that if BCCI cares for Indian cricket fans atleast now, oblige us; Later next year when free play 3 ODI and 3 T20 to off set the loss to CSA. Indian cricket fans like me enjoy Indians Playing in Eng or Aus or SA not in Bangaldesh,SL or WI or NZ. Playing with Pak is virtually ruled out due to political climate.

  • harmske on October 22, 2013, 9:01 GMT

    so we now have a two test 'series' against the WI, a two test 'series' against SA and a two test 'series' against NZ. wow, hat's off to the administrators - great job you guys.

    end sarcasm.

  • SamRoy on October 22, 2013, 8:59 GMT

    This is bad. Not the tour curtailment. But forcing CSA to suspend Mr. Lorgat? That is unacceptable. Srinivasan will next become ICC chief. People like him bring the game into disrepute. If he had issues with Mr. Lorgat he could have asked Mr. Nenzani to deal with him and not Mr. Lorgat. The BCCI is giving a shortened schedule thus giving them a huge financial loss and on top of that meddling in CSA's internal affairs. Words fail me. First Dalmiya, then Pawar and then it will be Srinivasan. Progressively getting worse.

  • grizzle on October 22, 2013, 8:47 GMT

    Disgusted by the BCCI and their actions. Even more disgusted by my countrymen/women on this forum who are proud of the BCCI. How can you feel good about the schoolyard bully beating up the other kids? I hope India is decimated badly enough in the first two tests that having a longer series wouldn't be justified anyway.

  • warneshane on October 22, 2013, 8:37 GMT

    Just a single question to ask South Africans here about the 2-TEST model adapted by CSA over the years. Why so much chaos here about this series? You are asking to wrong one here. It should be CSA. Not BCCI.

    "muzika_tchaikovskogo" an Indian name?? Haven't heard since ages. I know kumars, some ......kars, yadavs, khans, Singhs but muzika_tchaikovskogo, an odd one. You seems to be african. Bad work. Every body is patriotic about own country. Such a shame that fans lamenting other's countries too. It's a shame. Are we enjoying or else somethings......??

    Finally it seems that Lorgat had serious charges on him here. I can't understand why South Africans are behind him. I mean huge loss to own board too. Dealing with rival fractions of opposite board is a bad move. It can't be professionally justified. Very much embarrassment for CSA now.

  • srinideva on October 22, 2013, 8:35 GMT

    This series take a big hitting in world cricket just because of One man called Lorgat..If CSA think they will be forgotten for their avoidance of BCCI words. Simply everyone knows NO.If CSA thinks that lorgat is best for their business and the same line goes for India too. They do what is good for their own financial interest. BCCI is working for Indian cricket not other countries financial booster. Just imagine the amount of money will be generated from the Last two test matches in kolkata and mumbai. It is probably higher than whole year profit of CSA.

  • vjbrocks on October 22, 2013, 8:35 GMT

    BCCI is bully? How come protecting your own interest is bullying? I think BCCI has the earned the right to call the shots to protect its own interest and none can argue with that. Today BCCI is doing it, similarly England and Australia has done in it past and most probably some other country will do it in future.

  • vxttemp on October 22, 2013, 8:34 GMT

    Who ever is saying "Bullying at its best" You fit into the category of seeing a glass half-empty :-) I'm with BCCI on this. CSA/ECB/CA are no saints. Now everyone apart from BCCI is a saint just because they don't have the power.

  • Sir_Ivor on October 22, 2013, 8:34 GMT

    Even if is bullying,it is classy.India and South Africa can return to their good relationship from now on. Lorgat should be sent home. I think that will happen. I hope all the players get to play in the ODIs because it will be good preparation before the Tests.

  • Fan1969 on October 22, 2013, 8:32 GMT

    Good show BCCI. Need to let everyone know that who is boss.

    Let them crib. Who cares. The powerful just move on and do what they like. Good that Lorgat has been contained and cannot interfere with India.

    Lorgat pushed for DRS and all of England, Australia were for it. Now that it has failed they have discarded DRS but has everyone acknowledged that BCCI was consistent and correct?

    SRT deserved to go in India and kudos to BCCI for arranging a home series at short notice.

  • WarVdm on October 22, 2013, 8:31 GMT

    Terrible. I would rather not have the tour at all. 2 Tests Series (just like the current SA series against Pakistan, or the Test Series against Australia in 2011) are not proper contests and should not be agreed on (save for Test Series against emerging countries like Bangladesh or Zimbabwe). What conclusion can be taken from a 2 test series unless one of the teams happens to be far superior to the other in both tests? Insult to fans and most players alike. First they set up a tour against the Windies so Tendulkar doesn't tour SA and face the SA attack on fast and bouncy pitches, now this? Fans should boicot the tour: empty stadiums and don't watch it on tv. Enough is enough. Without the fans money (tickets, merchandising, tv viewers watching adverts) these manipulators would have to clean toilets for a living. Boiciot the series, let's show them how insignificant they really are.

  • CricketMaan on October 22, 2013, 8:29 GMT

    What a disgrace to Test cricket!!! A marquee series is undermined and what a shame!

  • JustIPL on October 22, 2013, 8:28 GMT

    BCCI got nothing out of it.They could not stop Lorgat's appointment. They could not suspend him totally as he will still be doing his job. They complained with ICC who will do the inquiry and I am sure it will also look at india manipulating ftp. BCCI will also lose some of the revenue the could have having full SA tour. This is very childish attitude as just one guy has made BCCI show all the hostile attitude and still he holds the position. Useless excercise by BCCI.

  • SandipManjrekar on October 22, 2013, 8:19 GMT

    @PrasPunter on October 22, 2013, 7:10 GMT

    We, Indian Fans, know better how to comment, know how to appreciate the things with open eyes and with open mind too rather than putting malicious grudge on any nations. Judging by your comments I have some feeling about you. You yourself confessed here about your stresses. But that doesn't mean to put insane comments is a remedy on revealing stresses that you are calling as a comic. CT 2013/WI Tri-nations/ U19 show in down Under recently and many ....aren't within IND's boundaries that no one can ignore the reality.

    If you admit that you haven't been in the best of form, which is fine anyway you feel and if you admit that you have issues and you will work to improve on it, then why posting these silly activities here? be honest & do some work gracefully & You can.

    @quittthewhinging

    "...a two-test series? What a joke."

    What was Oz-SA series in Nov 2011? Wasn't a joke at that time? Things changed with the time & the team?

  • kami_alvi on October 22, 2013, 8:16 GMT

    Playing 2 tests is ridiculous there must be 3 or 5 test matches series between the teams. Teams needs to adjust due to different conditions that is why most of the times home teams wins 1st match. Its is not fair with sub continent teams to play 2 tests only and most of the times England, South Africa and Australia plays with each other 5 test matches series.

  • Harmony111 on October 22, 2013, 8:07 GMT

    Hats off to BCCI and I am serious. Irrespective of whether you like or hate BCCI look at the game they have played here. This article is a HUGE loss of face for Mr. Lorgat who has been suspended by his own board from dealing with BCCI as well as with ICC. Not only this but the ICC is also going to launch an inquiry against Mr. Lorgat. And how did the BCCI do this? By latching onto the public statement of Mr. Becker and by suggesting that he said this at the behest of Mr. Lorgat. I wish BCCI was a chess player.

    However, if anyone thinks that this is all due to BCCI alone, pls read the 3rd para of this article esp where it says ---"Many ICC Full Members are believed to have expressed their reservations over Lorgat being a part of ICC proceedings. "---. Clearly, Lorgat is no saint and has irked other members too, not just India.

    The tour is ON & Lorgat is GONE. Just what BCCI wanted. All hail BCCI. Waah Waah.

  • sachin_equal_to_bradman on October 22, 2013, 8:01 GMT

    @Samirtt : Do u really have any rational thinking??? Y on earth all r criticising BCCI??? we are such an asset to cricket and we are taking cricket WORLD OVER!!!All the super powers willl be lik this only!!!! can u question y USA simply thrashing other countries???? come-on man we were the one who developed u r CRICKET since we are the one who played against u after APARTHIED!!! else u would not been in the cricket map boss(we were not super power that ime)...y the hell r u shouting here??? BCCI is great!!!

  • arun_padmanabhan on October 22, 2013, 7:58 GMT

    To all the people out here lashing out on BCCI , a few questions for you to ponder about before you let out a barrage of strong words : 1.) Does your board also feel the same way? If yes , then why aren't there any actions being taken by your board / why can't they simply boycott playing against india / why can't they block their players from playing in the IPL ? If no , is it because they are financially dependent on BCCI / are they hinging on India series for clearing their debts , etc etc ? 2.) From what i understood , Lorgat is suspended from dealing with India-SA matters alone (and ICC). He is still the decision maker for all other issues , including the internal matters of SA cricket . So, why all this noise? BCCI does not want to talk to him. They are not stopping him from talking with others. Fair enough? I am not saying BCCI is correct. I am just saying BCCI is not the only culprit ; all the cricketing boards are in it. Or else , BCCI would have been down a long time ago.

  • randikaayya on October 22, 2013, 7:56 GMT

    I'm sorry but India are showing here that they cannot play the role of leader in the field. They have an excellent team and a good set up, but the attitude of the politically inclined personal who run their game can be best described as Egoistic. If its no their way, there is no other way and they are using financial pressure on the South African board to change the make up of their governance! Thats too manipulative for my liking, and if this continues many fans aroudn the world woudl change their preference to other sports. Something we are seeing in West Indies, New Zealand, Sri Lanka and even South Africa. I hope this would be published cos nto much is these days!

  • harishk19812007 on October 22, 2013, 7:53 GMT

    Congratulations to BCCI...they did not let anyone bully them...like it has happened in 1990's and early 2000's

  • muzika_tchaikovskogo on October 22, 2013, 7:53 GMT

    Its tragic that a series that should have been a marquee event has been reduced to a ludicrous 2 tests. Thankfully India are playing longer series in England and Australia next year- thank God for small mercies!

    And as an Indian fan, I would like to apologise to cricket fans across the world for the disgusting muscle flexing antics of the BCCI. They are an insult to Indian fans and a blot on our country's reputation.

  • Joey2306 on October 22, 2013, 7:46 GMT

    Funny all SA fans and even Pak fans complaining India playing only 2 tests when their teams are themselves playing only 2 tests to accomodate 5 ODIs and 2 T20s....it is revenue driven

  • pj110 on October 22, 2013, 7:42 GMT

    Though its a sad sight to see two of the best teams play only 2 tests, BCCI should not be blamed here entirely.

    If you look at the past series played between India and South Africa, there have hardly been more than 3 tests in a series. In Feb 2010, when South Africa was scheduled to tour India, it was originally a 7 match one day series, but on BCCI's request, 2 tests were added . Hence the series comprised 2 Tests and 3 one dayers.

    After that India toured South Africa from dec-10 to jan -11 and played 3 tests and 5 one dayers.

    I dont know how exactly FTP works, but South Africa hasnt played enough tests against India in India and expect India to play 4 or 5 tests against them in South Africa. If people are making a case of India being scared to play South africa in South africa, the statistics show that its South Africa who have been more reluctant to play India in India. A 2 test and 3 one day series between Ind and SF shouldnt be considered unusual,its more a standard practice.

  • on October 22, 2013, 7:41 GMT

    My schedule:-- Dec 06- 1st odi, Dec 08- 2nd odi, Dec 11- 3rd odi, Dec 14-15 warmup, Dec 18-22 1st test, Dec 26-30 2nd test. My test team- Dhawan Gambhir Pujara Rohit Kohli Raina Dhoni Zaheer Ashwin Bhuvi Umesh.. Ishanth Jadeja Unadkat Vijay

  • Samirtt on October 22, 2013, 7:39 GMT

    Wow... Bullying at its best. I wonder what India comes out with next... They are creating enemies as they move forward and I'm quite surprised at CSA to actually bend over for 2 tests?????

  • satzzz on October 22, 2013, 7:34 GMT

    @PrasPunter

    Is your team still working on your weakness for more than 5 years? If a Zimbabwe or a Kenya team were given the same exposure and time as you guys have got, they'd have been a much better side than the oz. Try to retain your Ashes which you lost many years back and then criticize about other teams/boards. This is never going to happen in this December tourney as well. Well, atleast enjoy as if you have won it in your dreams mate.

    It was ACB that declared that the board is very happy that they have got the BBL as per plan this year when the national team had just lost a match in England. Its not BCCI announcing about the even better IPL or any board for that matter.

  • PrasPunter on October 22, 2013, 7:26 GMT

    @Shrikant, if you feel that Aus is behind ind in general and cricket in particular, can't stop laughing at that assertion of yours. Statistics-wise, and even in this period of not-so-good performances, we are better than you. But everyone has the right to dream on. To give due credit to you, your statement has come out as a comic relief for me on an otherwise stressful day at work.

  • PrasPunter on October 22, 2013, 7:10 GMT

    @Shrikant, if you think Aus lags behind ind in anything in general and cricket in particular, then I feel very sorry for you. Was searching for something to laugh at in the middle of an otherwise stressful day and you have provided that comic relief through that statement of yours. Nice.

    Yes we haven't been in the best of form, which is fine anyway and we admit that we have issues and we work to improve on it, unlike your team and the one-eyed fans who think the cricketing world doesnt extend beyond your nation's boundaries.

  • quittthewhinging on October 22, 2013, 6:56 GMT

    Well, as an SA fan, my immediate reaction to this is that CSA should tell the BCCI to take a walk. It's beyond belief that one Governing body can tell another who it should elect as it's CE. Personal politics should not be allowed to enter into this. Secondly, a two-test series? What a joke. The problem is that the CSA are such a bunch of clowns that they will happily let themselves get bullied in this fashion. I can assure you I personally will boycott the tour and I am sure many others will, except our own "Indian fans" in Durban of course.

    INDIAN MODERATORS - PLEASE PUBLISH!

  • on October 22, 2013, 6:46 GMT

    Will CSA assure the BCCI that India will win at least one test as well or the tour will be off? Maybe the BCCI will direct the type of pitches being prepared. Maybe they'll decide on which days it should rain and which days it should be overcast. I'm from India and I'm sick of the way our board runs things. I'm sick of the way the rest of world just panders to their every whim. I think it's time the rest of the boards get together and try some bullying tactics of their own. It's time these jackasses were brought down to earth. People who use the colonial powers of England and Australia in the early days of cricket to justify the BCCI's behaviour don't have a clue about progressivism. Justify your behaviour with the 'eye for an eye' theory and you will soon find that everyone is blind. For the good of Indian cricket and for the good of world cricket in the long run, I want to see the BCCI crumble. I want to see them fail. Maybe then things will improve. I hope that happens soon!

  • venkatesh018 on October 22, 2013, 6:19 GMT

    Not too long in the future BCCI will dictate who will play in the XI of the opposition team in Tests. And the ICC will be a mute spectator then too !

  • on October 22, 2013, 6:17 GMT

    @PrasPunter

    1) Do you suggest that Bowlers with names Styen, Johnson, Jimmy Anderson are allowed to bowl only 3 balls since their normal avg/Over exceeding 7-8 these days?

    2) You mean to say so called fast bowlers can't bowl more than 100 kph at the IND batsmen as balls being dispatched by them in orbit consistently.

    3) Do Oz feels now that pitch curators are making sure the ball doesn't bounce beyond chin?

    4) Do you suggest that an IND spinner turns the ball 90 deg? I thought Warne/Murali was turning the balls in 90 degrees.

    I had never ever heard making such excuses by any Oz legends. Haven't seen McGrath averaging more than 7/8 like Johnson/Styen/Jimmy doing.

    Fans like you have to find out such a lame excuses for their own team's debacle as their domination on world has been taken over by some other countries like IND. Well IND fans have never ever putting excuses or lamenting other nations in worse embarrassing ways like you r doing everywhere.

    God bless U !!

  • PrasPunter on October 22, 2013, 6:17 GMT

    @Arun Bose, "India will win both these test matches, If SA is really a no.1 side then stop India from winning the series.." - always helps to be a bit humble you know, else we will end up eating crow.

  • on October 22, 2013, 6:09 GMT

    Kuddos to BCCI.. Finally there is confirmation on the much awaited series.. And well done BCCI for making sure that itenary for any bi-lateral series is not announced by one part alone..

  • on October 22, 2013, 6:07 GMT

    I'm just wondering what Lorgat will be going through right now!!! When your own organization stoops to a level where you are fine with others dictating terms to you there is hardly anyone can do about it... Being an Indian cricket fan I would like to apologize to Mr. Lorgat on the behalf of all Indian fans!!!

  • Fast_Track_Bully on October 22, 2013, 6:06 GMT

    Congrts to BCCI. They proved whos the boss. The old colonial bosses got the message that you are not master and we are not slaves. Earlier it was them who decide and others have to obey. Remember they hesitate to play in SL (in few WC matches ) without any discussion with opposition board and then a test match awarded to opposition (Pak Vs Eng) when they protest against some decisions.

  • on October 22, 2013, 6:04 GMT

    I would not get too excited against the BCCI, they are only more blatant at doing what the other boards do in a more subtle way. Sadly it is all about revenue and not the game despite how these sentiments are expressed to the public.

  • on October 22, 2013, 5:57 GMT

    Hope Viru will back for test and i am so eager to c Viru open with Dhawan :)

  • on October 22, 2013, 5:47 GMT

    Dhoni: Your problem with death bowling is solved to the extent of 50%. Take Srinivasn into the playing XI. He can bounce anybody out, instead of conceding 18 runs an over like Kohli or 30 runs an over by Ishant !

  • on October 22, 2013, 5:44 GMT

    I don't know why people here are assuming that Indian batsmen will against Steyn, Morkel and philander but dear safricans fans and naive Indians, Do u even remember the last time India toured SA, It came very close to win the series?? If it wasn't for kallis, India would have won that last match and thumped SA in their backyard but alas everyone seems to forget that fact.. India will win both these test matches, If SA is really a no.1 side then stop India from winning the series.. See it like It will be evn more interesting with two test match series..

  • veerang on October 22, 2013, 5:20 GMT

    very....very....impressive bcci.looks a profitable deal.

  • on October 22, 2013, 5:10 GMT

    Shame on BCCI. I think the body needs to be completely revamped. A world regulator with much more power entrusted should take care of cricket globally. I am an Indian and I am going to stop watching them on TV with immediate effect. The problem is politicians are queueing up to take top posts in the state and national cricket board and politicking between various power houses internally is bringing these kind of high handedness. BIG SHAME TO BCCI and INDIAN CRICKET

  • REALMADRIDFAN on October 22, 2013, 5:08 GMT

    BCCI is a bully. But without its financial backing cricket wont survive. it is bcci who support cricket boards all over the world (remember all those meaningless bilateral series india played against srilanka).

  • PrasPunter on October 22, 2013, 4:57 GMT

    all-right - i see the following happening in the future, courtesy BCCI.

    1) Bowlers with names Steyn, Johnson, Jimmy Anderson will be allowed to bowl only 3 balls.

    2) Anything bowled more than 100 kph at the indian batsmen will be considered a dead ball.

    3) pitch curators should make sure the ball doesn't bounce beyond chin.

    4) If the ball doesn't turn 90 degrees for an indian spinner, the tour will be called off.

    God bless the game !!

  • on October 22, 2013, 4:41 GMT

    bcci have become too big headed these days.even the head of csa is suspended for a month for accommodating indian tour.no backbone in any national cricket board to stand up to bullies bcci.dont know if ever their dominance can be curtailed. this series will prove whether india have what it takes to reach number one spot in tests.

  • JustIPL on October 22, 2013, 4:41 GMT

    This is different from the rumour of sending Lorgat on long leave as he will keep doing business as usual with other boards. For india, it will be Nenzani or any of his secretaries. So, SA have win situation here. For the reamaining time they can play some other formidable side like SL or PAK who also have good population in SA.

  • on October 22, 2013, 4:30 GMT

    Its a great news. However felt that 3 tests alone would have been ideal. ODI could have been played on different dates after NZ tour.

  • on October 22, 2013, 4:17 GMT

    Indian Weak bowlers become better overseas. Its always upto the batsmen to compliment them. Indian team is in ODI / T20 mode and so see a tough test series for them.

  • TengaZool on October 22, 2013, 3:19 GMT

    Money talks, Lorgat walks!

  • CricketIsnotlife on October 22, 2013, 2:28 GMT

    Wow! It's high time the other cricket boards stand up to BCCI. So what next, India also decides the results of these 2 tests and which players SA are allowed to choose.

  • Cric-Canuck on October 22, 2013, 2:28 GMT

    It truly is a shame to see such naked flexing of financial muscle by the bully of the Cricket world, BCCI, and absolutely disgusting to see how CSA and the ICC, and so many other Member Boards, act like absolute wimps and cave in to BCCI's unjust demands. The noble game that we all love is being strangled by the "my way or the highway" attitude of BCCI and no one wants to stand up to it. I cannot imagine in the world of soccer, a Brazil or a Germany or the US dictating like this to FIFA or to other member countries, forcing them to suspend their elected CEOs on such flimsy grounds. If at least they had organised a 3-Test series, the shame of it all could have been somewhat lightened! Not a chance of that happening lest the "emperer" is exposed as having no clothes!

  • on October 22, 2013, 2:28 GMT

    Well I don't think that this is a good example. India is taking the cricket world hostage. The main reason behind the change of schedule was India wanted a weaker team so Tendulkar can retire in high note by trashing the west Indians. If the South Africans were too be his final oppernot he would have a terrible farewell and the BCCI wanted to change it.

    To hell with BCCI and IPL.

  • Sheela on October 22, 2013, 2:10 GMT

    All Indian fans hope that touring Indian cricketers are given adequate practice/training on fast bouncy pitches before the tour commences. So far, for last few series Indians have played only in slaughter houses for bowlers.

  • sray23 on October 22, 2013, 2:01 GMT

    Don't be suprised if the pitches are flat pancakes too - it's entirely possible BCCI also put that on the approval condition for this series. Absolutely shocking behaviour, as an Indian I am ashamed to see this level of political expedience INTERFERING with the cricket in our great game.

  • Rohit-Sen on October 22, 2013, 1:58 GMT

    Used to hate Srinivasan! But never thought he will be able to get Lorgat suspended. While morality of what he has done is open to debate, the fact that he could pull it off is extraordinary. BCCI is too small a role for such talented manipulator. Let him be in foreign service. Let him play his cat and mouse game on a global scale for the good of the nation.

  • somethingdifferent on October 22, 2013, 1:49 GMT

    It is disgraceful to suspend ones CEO to please another cricket board. If CSA had any self respect they would have told BCCI to cancel the tour for interfering in their internal management, but unfortunately the tour is too lucrative to be called off.

  • AjaySridharan on October 22, 2013, 0:58 GMT

    Yet another arm-twisting contest won by BCCI. Bully Cricket Club of India. Fans are left feeling shortchanged with a 2 test series, while Sachin gets to stage manage his fairy tale ending.

  • Greatest_Game on October 22, 2013, 0:46 GMT

    Srinivasan and the BCCI asking for an ethics investigation is indeed an oxymoron!

  • basusri133b on October 22, 2013, 0:43 GMT

    BCCI demands an ethics committee inquiry against Becker and Lorgat ! Indeed, this is ludicorous, considering that the BCCI President himself is under investigaion. Side lining Lorgat is nothing but crude & thuggish power play by the BCCI. I wonder if there has been a secret agreement to ensure that the wickets for the two test matches are not too green, to ensure that we don't get stomped by the powerful South African pace attack. In the long run, this bodes ill for Indian Cricket.

  • on October 22, 2013, 0:42 GMT

    to those who are disappointed over only 2 test , ODIs bring in most revenue. not even T20s make that much of money .. and those who says i would like atleast 3 tests , will you sit infront the TV for 5 days ?? no u will just check out the scores later or watch 1 sesssion a day ... So there goes. Its all about money ...

  • on October 22, 2013, 0:38 GMT

    What a gutless cricket SA is. How dare they pull their CEO out of negotiations because India doesn't like him. A two test tour, who cares.

  • on October 22, 2013, 0:30 GMT

    Nothing like having a complete test series and calling off ODI and T20s - It will be a great sight to see the young brigade taking the likes of Steyn, Morkel, Philander and company.

  • Ms.Cricket on October 22, 2013, 0:20 GMT

    It is shameful how the BCCI is behaving. The ICC has no guts and independance.

  • on October 22, 2013, 0:01 GMT

    money speaks and rules everywhere... its disgusting for BCCI the way its interfering on other boards matter. Cricinfo I know you will not post this also.. But I will keep commenting thanks

  • on October 21, 2013, 23:22 GMT

    The bullies win again. Not sure why I bother with this sport.

  • LillianThomson on October 21, 2013, 23:21 GMT

    CSA and BCCI may well have met their Waterloo: in trying to scapegoat a world class lawyer (Becker) for giving a legal opinion that the BCCI dislikes they are putting themselves at the mercy of the courts in a battleground where money can't buy victory.

    Becker knows that the Future Tours Program is a multi-lateral binding contract, and that BCCI claims of bilateralism are disproved by the document. If he or Lorgat are to be investigated, the law will prevail.

  • Cpt.Meanster on October 21, 2013, 23:14 GMT

    Well this is good. Something is better than nothing. While I am not a fan of test cricket, I do feel tests should be played singularly in a series. Take the Ashes for example; anything is relevant ONLY if there is a lengthy duration to it. A 3 test series would have been better for fans of test cricket. I am not complaining though. Clearly, the BCCI have a definitive goal; they wish to prioritize ODis and T20s which is the way to go for the future. Still, this whole farce was an embarrassment to the establishments of CSA and BCCI. They could have finalized this WAY BACK instead of all this drama. Poor management shown by both boards. In the end, the correct decision was taken.

  • dishNub on October 21, 2013, 23:02 GMT

    For all those naïve people talking about getting rid of 3 ODI, read this and then do not ask the same thing again - the only way 2 tests can be paid for is if India plays 3 ODI with it. Tests do not make any money, ODIs do. So its pure economics.

  • bobagorof on October 21, 2013, 22:53 GMT

    Does this mean it is totally 'proper' for an ICC member body to 'blatantly disregard an ICC resolution'?

  • Venkata_Siddhartha on October 21, 2013, 22:49 GMT

    I think BCCI settled for very less, they could have asked for suspension of a few players too - Steyn, Philander, Amla elc. And also take their lunch money.

  • vish2020 on October 21, 2013, 22:48 GMT

    Haroon Lorgat will come out the evil person not BCCI.. just watch and then the media will not apologize for showing BCCI as evil.

  • on October 21, 2013, 22:43 GMT

    Team India will pay for this autocratic and dictatorial attitude of BCCI. With very little preparation before Tests and ODIs, most probably results will be very similar to ENG/AUS tours of white wash. Indian fans will get very angry; but people in power do not give a damn about fans, game or ethics. It's a shame a board from Mahatma Gandhi's land is behaving this way. POWER is so POWERFUL!! We need an Alluri Sita Rama Raju to fight power-drunk officials.

  • on October 21, 2013, 22:42 GMT

    @atif suleman.. totally agreed with ya bro..

    as a Pakistani Ii myself was looking forward for the test series.. but the BCCI as always wants to dictate terms which is complete and utter non-sense.. and making room for WI and NZ tests is plain rubbish.. INIDA is more happy playing WI and NZ rather than SA?? why ?? cuz they want to give their beloved Sachin his 200th test.. cmmon mann let you boys play the best bowlers in the game today and see what they can do.. otherwise just cancel the whole tour.. this is total bakwasss... !! cricinfo i have posted like a zillion comments which go unpublished.. if this one is also not i am leaving this site for good.

  • on October 21, 2013, 22:05 GMT

    Here we go, CSA showing that the BCCI can walk all over them. Allowing them to have a say in who we appoint as our CEO is worrying. This sets a horrifying president, allowing BCCI to put a tour in jeopardy simply because they had previous run ins with a newly appointed CEO of a foreign board. CSA and the ICC should stand up to these arrogant administrators.

  • on October 21, 2013, 21:56 GMT

    INDIAN CRICKET COUNCIL the I.C.C really stand for, though it's all but disappointing i guess.. the C.S.A didn't showed dignity in this regard..

  • Naresh28 on October 21, 2013, 21:49 GMT

    Has BCCI overstepped in another boards running? Lorgat and Srinivasan in charge of two boards where there are problems? Lets wait and see what happens though for cricket fans its good news.

  • on October 21, 2013, 21:47 GMT

    Can it get any more shameless than this ? I hope ICC will show some spine and throw India out of the group. As an Indian and a passionate fan of cricket, I feel sorry at the turn of events.

  • on October 21, 2013, 21:44 GMT

    Well done BCCI. That's a great win.

  • on October 21, 2013, 21:44 GMT

    Good that finally game is on btwn India & RSA but it might have been nicer if there are 3 test matches,2 test matches wouldn't give a proper result,hope the series will be a draw 1-1,ICC should improve here by making the contest more interesting..even in T20.. 2 games doesn't make any sense,most of them were draw in the last 3yrs. ICC have to plan the test series with a minimum of 3 test matches,even individual cricket bodies should accept this.

  • Number_5 on October 21, 2013, 21:36 GMT

    Yet more shenanigans from the BCCI. A questionable fixture at best BUT a win for cricket fans to see the 2 best test teams going head to head. The FTP has been around for a long time and its clear the only issue here is the BCCIs dislike of Lorgat.

  • on October 21, 2013, 21:35 GMT

    @Junaid More than pointing fingers at India, you are suggesting that Pakistanis have been so dying to play against India that they were throwing away matches just to appease the BCCI. What it says about your cricket team's character is anybody's guess. Too funny, well, maybe next time you will read what you have typed before posting.

  • harmske on October 21, 2013, 21:08 GMT

    can the odi's and just have 3 tests. better to have one proper series rather than two that are neither here nor there.

  • WindiesFan on October 21, 2013, 21:06 GMT

    It is truly amazing that Might continues to be Right even in the supposedly enlightened 21st Century. It IS true that no board or boards should be allowed to flaunt the ICC FTP. What is wrong with this? And what is the role then of the ICC? On the other hand, I am really happy to see the tour go ahead as these are 2 quality teams which should make for some enthralling cricket on the field. However, it is a pity that the maneouverings beyond the boundary leave a sour taste in the mouth.

  • on October 21, 2013, 20:29 GMT

    Personally, I am happy the series is still taking place but bit disappointed to see the conduct of the BCCI. They must realize, they can not behave in this way outside of subcontinent and be this petty. It will leave a bad impression of Indian cricket. Good luck to the Indian team.

  • on October 21, 2013, 20:24 GMT

    Great news. Even though it's a short series, it should still be awesome to see India take on South Africa. Personally, I would have preferred if the test series was longer but this will do. Hoping to see a good/competitive contest. Good luck to India.

  • Bonehead_maz on October 21, 2013, 20:10 GMT

    Something is better than nothing ! Late is better than never. Glad to see the tour is on.

  • ThatsJustCricket on October 21, 2013, 20:02 GMT

    A 2-test series, seriously? Why do we need the ODI's if time is an issue? Should have played 3 tests and drop the ODIs.

  • Shan156 on October 21, 2013, 18:52 GMT

    Happy that the tour is going on. Love to see two quality sides battle it out in the middle. As like many others, my only gripe is that there are only 2 tests. Unlike others, I think India have a good chance. They need to pick a quality pace attack though. Zaheer is must. Although I am not a big fan of Ishant, I think he should be given one more chance. He should be dropped from ODIs and asked to concentrate on tests only. He is tall and lanky and has all the assets to become a better test bowler than an average of 38 after 51 tests suggests. He will be a handful. India also needs to pick Harbhajan (sorry Ashwin). Last time, he was very successful there and he has been doing well of late. Enough has been said about the batting and I think Dhawan will become a big star after this tour. I think he will do very well against Steyn, Philander, and Morkel. Kohli and Pujara form a very strong middle order and they are well led by Dhoni. All the best India.

  • on October 21, 2013, 18:51 GMT

    India wanted few test in south africa so that they don't lost too many test in order to avoid stay in top four icc rankings. In that way they will be in test champion ship. They want to play more test matches at home where they can beat other teams

  • Bharat1981 on October 21, 2013, 18:23 GMT

    It is really bad on the part of BCCI. Only two test matches. Fans were eagerly waiting to see a good contest between the two top teams. It would have been really interesting to see some more test matches to see how the new and talented batsmen Kohli, Pujara, Dhawan etc. would fare against probably the best fast bowling unit Steyn, Morkelm Philander & co. in their own yards.

  • ReverseSweepIndia on October 21, 2013, 18:17 GMT

    well, something is better than nothing. As much we fans clamor about 2 tests, I think it is CSA which will want ODI's part of the tour so that losses could be minimized. Both boards had great relationships, I believe its still same way. Also, I feel with this Lorgat saga, CSA lost a very good opportunity. No, I am not favoring BCCI, in fact most of us fans hates the way cricket is being run in our country. But see the business potential. If this issue had not came to fore, both boards having strong relationship, CSA could have negotiated with BCCI on either Sachin's 200th test or on his retirement test (currently they are happening in same test, but it could have been negotiated). Brand Sachin is big moolah. Leave alone talking about losses, CSA could have gone surplus.

  • on October 21, 2013, 17:22 GMT

    They should have cancelled the ODIS and squeezed in one or two more tests in...2 seems too less...

  • Atul on October 21, 2013, 17:11 GMT

    It is time for the other boards to show some backbone and levy a hefty fine on the BCCI for going back on the FTP. This cannot go on forever.

  • BigINDFan on October 21, 2013, 17:11 GMT

    I am glad the tour is on but too short. They need to have more tests next time even if it is in Ind.

    Whether Lorgat stays or goes of if N Srini stays or goes doesnt matter. Cricket matters and fans matter!

  • DD_f0rever on October 21, 2013, 17:09 GMT

    My team for SA series (Tests)...

    1) Dhawan 2) Vijay 3) Pujara 4) Rohit :) 5) Kohli 6) Dhoni 7) Rahane/Rayudu 8) Ashwin 9) Bhuvi 10) ZaK 11) Umesh/ Ishant/ Jaydev

    Please No Sir Jadeja ..this is SA not sub-continent..ball wont turn there..he won't score runs either ....Play a proper batsman at No. 7 position who is technically correct and can stay on wicket ..someone like Badrinath.

  • on October 21, 2013, 17:08 GMT

    What BCCI wants, BCCI gets. Cricket is the loser.

  • Atul on October 21, 2013, 17:05 GMT

    Indian team will play a two match series which wont do any of the young players any good, the nation will give a grand farewell to Sachin, the S Africans will return for the IPL and all of this will be forgotten.

  • DD_f0rever on October 21, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    Wow..Thank God !

    Now we can see quality Cricket ! last time Ind toured SA,,,,It was Kallis who stood between India's series win and SA's loss. Series was leveled 1-1. (Tests)

    Curious to see India's young guns against likes of Steyn and Morkel.

    Also, lets see how B. kumar bowls there because even on slow low tracks of India Bhuvi swings ball both ways.

    Thank you BCCI for sorting out the differences with CSA and giving green signal to this series.

  • on October 21, 2013, 16:59 GMT

    Ideally would have wanted the tour to have this schedule :

    1 warm up before 1st Test,1st Test , 2nd Test another warm up game 3rd Test and 4th Test. Gap in 1st warm up and 1st Test - 2 days. Gap in 1st and 2nd test - 2days again 2-days gap then warm up game - 2 days rest in 3rd test and then 4th test again after 2 days. 2days break a one off T20 then 1 day gap . then 3 odi's each with a days gap. ( Total - 4+2+5+2+5+2+4+2+5+5+2+1+1+1+1+1+1 = 44 days) roughly a 45 day window in enough.

  • KingOwl on October 21, 2013, 16:54 GMT

    Power of the BCCI is boundary-less!

  • punzoe on October 21, 2013, 16:46 GMT

    Just ridiculous. Not proud of BCCI's childish behavior.

  • on October 21, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    what a joke two big teams should be playing at least 3 test 5 odi matches why is bcci dictating terms who should or should not lead a board

  • naren1983 on October 21, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    Good News at-last. But a small tour may result in less challenge and will have no time to come back from failure. But India definetely want to play test matches against No.1 side to test their skills. Current SA team struggling against Pakistan, its right time for India to seal the series first time in SA. All the best Team !!!

  • Mk354 on October 21, 2013, 16:43 GMT

    BCCI is acting like a dictator here ! Unnecessarily flexing its muscles and spoiling the beauty of World cricket. Common man , how can two best teams play just 2 tests and 3 ODI's. IPL has changed the scenario a lot. Haroon Lorgat is being made a scapegoat here. Unless the BCCI changes its adamant attitude , i think the world cricket is in a huge loss !! ~ from the heart of ardent cricket fan !!

  • Mk354 on October 21, 2013, 16:43 GMT

    BCCI is acting like a dictator here ! Unnecessarily flexing its muscles and spoiling the beauty of World cricket. Common man , how can two best teams play just 2 tests and 3 ODI's. IPL has changed the scenario a lot. Haroon Lorgat is being made a scapegoat here. Unless the BCCI changes its adamant attitude , i think the world cricket is in a huge loss !! ~ from the heart of ardent cricket fan !!

  • naren1983 on October 21, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    Good News at-last. But a small tour may result in less challenge and will have no time to come back from failure. But India definetely want to play test matches against No.1 side to test their skills. Current SA team struggling against Pakistan, its right time for India to seal the series first time in SA. All the best Team !!!

  • on October 21, 2013, 16:44 GMT

    what a joke two big teams should be playing at least 3 test 5 odi matches why is bcci dictating terms who should or should not lead a board

  • punzoe on October 21, 2013, 16:46 GMT

    Just ridiculous. Not proud of BCCI's childish behavior.

  • KingOwl on October 21, 2013, 16:54 GMT

    Power of the BCCI is boundary-less!

  • on October 21, 2013, 16:59 GMT

    Ideally would have wanted the tour to have this schedule :

    1 warm up before 1st Test,1st Test , 2nd Test another warm up game 3rd Test and 4th Test. Gap in 1st warm up and 1st Test - 2 days. Gap in 1st and 2nd test - 2days again 2-days gap then warm up game - 2 days rest in 3rd test and then 4th test again after 2 days. 2days break a one off T20 then 1 day gap . then 3 odi's each with a days gap. ( Total - 4+2+5+2+5+2+4+2+5+5+2+1+1+1+1+1+1 = 44 days) roughly a 45 day window in enough.

  • DD_f0rever on October 21, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    Wow..Thank God !

    Now we can see quality Cricket ! last time Ind toured SA,,,,It was Kallis who stood between India's series win and SA's loss. Series was leveled 1-1. (Tests)

    Curious to see India's young guns against likes of Steyn and Morkel.

    Also, lets see how B. kumar bowls there because even on slow low tracks of India Bhuvi swings ball both ways.

    Thank you BCCI for sorting out the differences with CSA and giving green signal to this series.

  • Atul on October 21, 2013, 17:05 GMT

    Indian team will play a two match series which wont do any of the young players any good, the nation will give a grand farewell to Sachin, the S Africans will return for the IPL and all of this will be forgotten.

  • on October 21, 2013, 17:08 GMT

    What BCCI wants, BCCI gets. Cricket is the loser.

  • DD_f0rever on October 21, 2013, 17:09 GMT

    My team for SA series (Tests)...

    1) Dhawan 2) Vijay 3) Pujara 4) Rohit :) 5) Kohli 6) Dhoni 7) Rahane/Rayudu 8) Ashwin 9) Bhuvi 10) ZaK 11) Umesh/ Ishant/ Jaydev

    Please No Sir Jadeja ..this is SA not sub-continent..ball wont turn there..he won't score runs either ....Play a proper batsman at No. 7 position who is technically correct and can stay on wicket ..someone like Badrinath.