WA Chairman's XI v England XI, Perth, 1st day October 31, 2013

England endure wretched start to tour

Brad Elborough
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Western Australia Chairman's X1 369 for 4 (Lynn 104, Towers 77, Harris 69) v England X1
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The three England quick bowlers fighting for a spot in the first Ashes Test against Australia in 21 days' time received a rude awakening on the opening day against the Western Australia Chairman's XI at the WACA.

Chris Tremlett, Boyd Rankin and Steven Finn are in a three-way battle for a spot in the England side at the Gabba on November 21, with Tim Bresnan still recuperating from a stress fracture in his back and unlikely to be seriously considered.

But none of them managed to impress as a second-string Western Australia side reached 369 for 4 by stumps on the first day on the back of a blistering 104 made by their No 3 Chris Lynn, only his third first-class century. Each of WA's top four batsmen made half centuries.

England's fast-bowling trio struggled for line and length on the WACA wicket and were expensive in their first official run out of the tour.

The hard-hitting Lynn was loaned to WA by Queensland, overlooked for their Sheffield Shield clash being played at the same time, even though he hit a six to win his state the national domestic title just one week ago.

He gave just one chance , with Chris Tremlett spilling a difficult chance at mid-on from the part-time offspin of Joe Root when he was on 66. Not that Root was blameless in the field. He grassed a sharp chance at first slip when Mitchell Marsh nicked one off the bowling of Finn.

The effort in the field would not have impressed the England captain Alastair Cook, who missed the first game of the tour because of sore back.

WA's no 1 side are involved in a Sheffield Shield game in Victoria and their squad has been stretched further by Mitchell Johnson, Adam Voges and Nathan Coulter-Nile being in India with the Australian one-day side.

The stand-in top order made the most of their chances against England, sending reminders to their state selectors of their talents.

Lynn's entertaining knock came off just 124 balls. Openers Luke Towers and Marcus Harris hit 77 and 69 respectively and Marsh, returning from a serious hamstring injury, hit 58 from 59 balls before he was the fourth and final wicket taken, caught behind by Matt Prior from the bowling of Ben Stokes.

England had to wait until the third over after lunch before claiming its first scalp. It was senior statesman James Anderson, easily the pick of the bowlers, who forced Marcus Harris to fend a short ball to Ian Bell in the gully.

The breaks in play could have had as much to do with WA losing its first two wickets as did any consistent bowling from the England attack with the second wicket coming in the first over after the tea break. After a patient knock, Towers edged a short delivery from Root to keeper Prior while attempting a cut when the score was 225.

It was a galling experience for Prior, who was having his first taste of England captaincy as well as being a world apart from their start to their last Australia tour in 2010 when they retained the Ashes.

England fielded a full-strength side when they won the corresponding game against WA by six wickets. On this occasion, only five of their side - Prior, Root, Bell, Jonathan Trott and Anderson - are guaranteed a spot in Brisbane.

The three bowlers hoping to join Anderson and Stuart Broad in the attack have a maximum of two further outings before the opening Test, after this game, to impress the England selectors. England will leave Perth for a four-day game against Australia A in Hobart before competing their preparation for the first Test with another four-day contest against a NSW XI at the SCG.

Rankin struggled to find a good length, particularly in the first of his three spells, producing several rank full-tosses. His first four overs cost him 29 runs. He recovered and beat the bat several times in his second spell. His one wicket, that of Lynn, caught by Michael Carberry at backward point, came in his third over. But he went for nearly five runs an over.

Tremlett was used at both ends over five short spells, but he often overpitched and, for all his height, failed to make the most of the usually bouncy WACA wicket. He rarely troubled the WA batsmen and went for just over four runs for each of his 17 overs.

Finn was the least impressive of the trio though, a fact highlighted by three consecutive short-pitched deliveries that were pulled for four by Towers just after the lunch break. He also gave up more than 4.5 runs per over.

The England medical team will be doing their best to get Bresnan fit as quickly as they can.

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  • whoster on October 31, 2013, 13:49 GMT

    Bit of an exaggeration to call it a 'wretched' start to the tour - but there'll certainly be concern that none of the tall quicks impressed. All three have question marks against them for differing reasons, and selecting so many tall 'hit the deck' bowlers in the squad is putting a lot of eggs in the same basket. Bresnan's fitness will be crucial to the balance of the seam attack, and England will want him fit ASAP.

    Graham Onions would've added experience and variety to the squad of fast-bowlers, but it looks like England have a very obvious and one-dimensional policy with the bowling attack.

  • ScottStevo on November 1, 2013, 19:45 GMT

    @David Brumby, whilst I somewhat agree with what you're saying, in that Eng most certainly don't have 2 world class quicks - more like one world class, one 'on his day', one steady type and a few giant hopefuls. Our biggest problem is we've got a group of batsman that average roughly the same as Eng's bowlers...

    @Mitty2, it was getting rolled by blokes like Harris and Giles that used to kill me. When you look at it that way, both the blokes you mentioned are genius tweakers in comparison!

  • Wallruss on November 1, 2013, 10:51 GMT

    pitch looks like a good one

  • 122notoutWestByfleet1996 on November 1, 2013, 10:44 GMT

    @ David Brumby, as a clearly knowledgeable cricket fan, I am sure you are aware that a bowlers average does not tell the full story of their abilities. The situations in which they take their wickets, their strike rate, number of match winning performances etc are also strong indicators of a players ability.

    And anyway, what does world class mean? to me it means capable of performing at the top of the international game. 3 England bowlers (Broad, Anderson, Swann) are in the top 10. 2 of Auz bowlers are in top 10 (Harris and Siddle). So both teams have attacks containing "world class bowlers". However, neither Siddle or Harris have produced as many match winning performances in the last 18 months (that I can recall at any rate). Broad, Swann and Anderson all produced match winning performances against Australia in the last ashes series.

    So whilst you claim Aussie bowlers have better averages, it doesnt seem to have gotten them very far does it?

  • Front-Foot-Sponge on November 1, 2013, 10:32 GMT

    Mitty2 yeah you are probably right. I think all stirring aside (let's face it, that is all wild predictions and churning up the past are), this should be a pretty good series. I hope so, no more DRS and umpiring ruining the cricket, just cricket!

  • Mitty2 on November 1, 2013, 9:47 GMT

    @RU4REALNICK, at last, I agree with you! People say that we're devaluing the Shield by already having a named squad and not taking any consideration of early Shield performances, but Compton and Onions are the two best in the Shield for batting and bowling by far and yet they're ignored. Onions struggles to average over 20 in the County and I think Compton has immense potential as a test player based on what I saw of him in India and NZ.

    @Front-foot-spoonge, if we don't bowl full to him early expect him to prosper. Extremely talented and a back foot player - there's a chance that he may prefer Australian pitches to the Eng pitches with the extra bounce. But then again he really struggled against Harris. If you want bunnies look ono further than Bairstow to Starc (actually maybe to everyone), Prior to Siddle and Clarke to Broad. And of course the funniest and most enjoyable bunny of all, Yuvraj Singh to Mitchell Johnson!

  • on November 1, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    Anderson - Average over 30 Broad - Average over 30 Finn - Average .5 under 30 Swann - Average 29.

    Yep a world class bowling line up. NOT. And as I said, they all average cant average any better than 30.

    Even the crappy Aussie line up have better averages.

  • Mitty2 on November 1, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    @5wombats, I really do hope you're joking, really. An English fan, just after that Ashes, with slow, low, uneven and spinning (and many have said poor standard) pitches to negate our only strength - fast bowling and emphasise England's in Swann, is talking (complaining) about prepared pitches from 3 years ago. Please...

    But anyway, despite that we don't have Cummings (why do I even bother mentioning his name), pattinson, Starc or Bird and if Harris gets innings our pace bowling trio becomes a likely Siddle, MJ and Hazelwood/Cutting (Sayers is proving himself a trundler in the Shield atm; Hazelwood bowled really well for NSW with good pace/bounce/movement just without reward) which is a trio that I still label as quality - we don't need green pitches, except in Perth for MJ.

    Our attack functioned really well by bowling economically (no bowler with an economy of above 3) and with sustained pressure. No need for green pitches - it would make our batting even worse and aid Jimmy + Broad

  • on November 1, 2013, 9:36 GMT

    @ Alan Thomas, Perhaps you might learn to look up the TEST bowling attack averages. I wont bother to reply to you lack of cricket knowledge anymore

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on November 1, 2013, 9:31 GMT

    So looking at the bowling figures then, it looks like the final seamer's position for England should go to Joe Root... Brilliant! Sorted then. Selectors - get on the phone NOW and call up Compton and Onions...

  • whoster on October 31, 2013, 13:49 GMT

    Bit of an exaggeration to call it a 'wretched' start to the tour - but there'll certainly be concern that none of the tall quicks impressed. All three have question marks against them for differing reasons, and selecting so many tall 'hit the deck' bowlers in the squad is putting a lot of eggs in the same basket. Bresnan's fitness will be crucial to the balance of the seam attack, and England will want him fit ASAP.

    Graham Onions would've added experience and variety to the squad of fast-bowlers, but it looks like England have a very obvious and one-dimensional policy with the bowling attack.

  • ScottStevo on November 1, 2013, 19:45 GMT

    @David Brumby, whilst I somewhat agree with what you're saying, in that Eng most certainly don't have 2 world class quicks - more like one world class, one 'on his day', one steady type and a few giant hopefuls. Our biggest problem is we've got a group of batsman that average roughly the same as Eng's bowlers...

    @Mitty2, it was getting rolled by blokes like Harris and Giles that used to kill me. When you look at it that way, both the blokes you mentioned are genius tweakers in comparison!

  • Wallruss on November 1, 2013, 10:51 GMT

    pitch looks like a good one

  • 122notoutWestByfleet1996 on November 1, 2013, 10:44 GMT

    @ David Brumby, as a clearly knowledgeable cricket fan, I am sure you are aware that a bowlers average does not tell the full story of their abilities. The situations in which they take their wickets, their strike rate, number of match winning performances etc are also strong indicators of a players ability.

    And anyway, what does world class mean? to me it means capable of performing at the top of the international game. 3 England bowlers (Broad, Anderson, Swann) are in the top 10. 2 of Auz bowlers are in top 10 (Harris and Siddle). So both teams have attacks containing "world class bowlers". However, neither Siddle or Harris have produced as many match winning performances in the last 18 months (that I can recall at any rate). Broad, Swann and Anderson all produced match winning performances against Australia in the last ashes series.

    So whilst you claim Aussie bowlers have better averages, it doesnt seem to have gotten them very far does it?

  • Front-Foot-Sponge on November 1, 2013, 10:32 GMT

    Mitty2 yeah you are probably right. I think all stirring aside (let's face it, that is all wild predictions and churning up the past are), this should be a pretty good series. I hope so, no more DRS and umpiring ruining the cricket, just cricket!

  • Mitty2 on November 1, 2013, 9:47 GMT

    @RU4REALNICK, at last, I agree with you! People say that we're devaluing the Shield by already having a named squad and not taking any consideration of early Shield performances, but Compton and Onions are the two best in the Shield for batting and bowling by far and yet they're ignored. Onions struggles to average over 20 in the County and I think Compton has immense potential as a test player based on what I saw of him in India and NZ.

    @Front-foot-spoonge, if we don't bowl full to him early expect him to prosper. Extremely talented and a back foot player - there's a chance that he may prefer Australian pitches to the Eng pitches with the extra bounce. But then again he really struggled against Harris. If you want bunnies look ono further than Bairstow to Starc (actually maybe to everyone), Prior to Siddle and Clarke to Broad. And of course the funniest and most enjoyable bunny of all, Yuvraj Singh to Mitchell Johnson!

  • on November 1, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    Anderson - Average over 30 Broad - Average over 30 Finn - Average .5 under 30 Swann - Average 29.

    Yep a world class bowling line up. NOT. And as I said, they all average cant average any better than 30.

    Even the crappy Aussie line up have better averages.

  • Mitty2 on November 1, 2013, 9:40 GMT

    @5wombats, I really do hope you're joking, really. An English fan, just after that Ashes, with slow, low, uneven and spinning (and many have said poor standard) pitches to negate our only strength - fast bowling and emphasise England's in Swann, is talking (complaining) about prepared pitches from 3 years ago. Please...

    But anyway, despite that we don't have Cummings (why do I even bother mentioning his name), pattinson, Starc or Bird and if Harris gets innings our pace bowling trio becomes a likely Siddle, MJ and Hazelwood/Cutting (Sayers is proving himself a trundler in the Shield atm; Hazelwood bowled really well for NSW with good pace/bounce/movement just without reward) which is a trio that I still label as quality - we don't need green pitches, except in Perth for MJ.

    Our attack functioned really well by bowling economically (no bowler with an economy of above 3) and with sustained pressure. No need for green pitches - it would make our batting even worse and aid Jimmy + Broad

  • on November 1, 2013, 9:36 GMT

    @ Alan Thomas, Perhaps you might learn to look up the TEST bowling attack averages. I wont bother to reply to you lack of cricket knowledge anymore

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on November 1, 2013, 9:31 GMT

    So looking at the bowling figures then, it looks like the final seamer's position for England should go to Joe Root... Brilliant! Sorted then. Selectors - get on the phone NOW and call up Compton and Onions...

  • Mitty2 on November 1, 2013, 9:15 GMT

    @scottstevo, what are you on about? Ashwin and Jadeja are fantastic spinners! ...

  • on November 1, 2013, 9:15 GMT

    David Brumby - 'England have world class bowlers? None of them average better than 30 a wicket.'

    Well Swann averages 28, Finn averages 29, Tremlett averages 26. Your first statement is NONSENSE for a start. I won't bother reading any more!!!

  • Front-Foot-Sponge on November 1, 2013, 9:10 GMT

    122notout, fair comments, nice to see more England supporters being objective. Why Onions isn't even on tour is bizarre, he's quality and even our best batsmen are tested by those accurate lines that he is renowned for. Bizarre selection (or non-selection). Carberry looks far more dangerous than Root who I think is fair to say is a bunny at the moment.

  • 122notoutWestByfleet1996 on November 1, 2013, 8:35 GMT

    i am yet to see a comment on cricinfo that says they think Tremlett should be here over Onions. What are the chances of Finn or Tremlett getting injured and Onions being flown out as cover, only to do what Tremlett did last Ashes tour down under and end of the pick of the bowlers? pretty high i think.

    i also do not understand some of the comments i keep seeing that England and/or their supporters think they are world beaters. I think the players are well aware of their lack of consistency and unde-rperformance given previous form. Any knowledgeable supporter would agree with this. That said, we have won 3 of our last 4 series and drew the other.

    And to say we dont have world beating bowlers in our side is simply inaccurate. Jimmy has been for some time, as has Swann, and Broad is finally starting to turn in match winning performances.

    I know which country I would be supporting!

  • Front-Foot-Sponge on November 1, 2013, 8:00 GMT

    Posted by xtrafalgarx on (November 1, 2013, 5:18 GMT), I could not agree more!

  • Front-Foot-Sponge on November 1, 2013, 7:57 GMT

    @Lunge I didn't see too many nightmares yesterday LOL. The only nightmare is that this was your test bowling attack apart from Broad (Swann wouldn't have got a wicket here) and they couldn't dismiss a single batsman (from the under 11's) for under 50. That is a nightmare so wake up and stop dreaming!

  • xtrafalgarx on November 1, 2013, 5:18 GMT

    @FFL, You are absolutely desperate. This Eng team has done no where as much damage as the old great Aussie teams. You would be lucky to think that Anderson has given us trouble for more than 3/4 years, thats hardly anything compared to the 10/15 years our bowlers gave you.

    Shows you really need a life.

  • 5wombats on November 1, 2013, 4:21 GMT

    @Chris_P - that's for sure. Last time at Perth some larrikin decided to produce a quite a slow spinning pitch for the tour game, resulting in Swann and the WA spinner getting wickets (I think it was Beer..?). When the Test was played Perth was back to its usual trampoline-like qualities. I said at the time that was obviously deliberate. In fact - there was quite a lot of that sort of thing going on throughout that England tour. Melbourne for the the tour game was a complete road, if memory serves. Messing about with the pitches didn't help Australia much last time. I'm not going to read anything into some little tour game. Others here may feel confident enough after one day of play to write England off. But they would write England off in any event. That would be a mistake, I would say.

  • on November 1, 2013, 3:47 GMT

    England have world class bowlers in their side? And who would they be? None of them average better than 30 a wicket. Hardly world class. Funny seeing the English over rate themselves when they are playing poor opposition. Even this Chairmans XI isnt a 2nd eleven state side. England has a poor bowling line up and a decent batting line up. Aussies have a decent bowling line up but a poor batting line up. Neither of these sides are world class what so ever.

  • yorkshire-86 on October 31, 2013, 22:39 GMT

    Batting looks far too light - goes to show what a fallacy it was to not pick Compton. We could be chasing a 500+ target with only 4 proper batsmen plus one unproven in Ballance. Why on earth we picked a joke player like Carberry we will never know...

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on October 31, 2013, 21:56 GMT

    "Anderson impressed on the first day" How many years have the Aussies had to endure watching him do that? More of the same this series it'll be from Jimmy Anderson, watching him bowl so skillfully and specially down under last time must still give the Aussies nightmares. He took 20+ wickets last series too of course. Time for England to stretch their legs tomorrow.

  • Chris_P on October 31, 2013, 20:29 GMT

    @Joseph Langford. Your own state selectors think he isn't even good enough for the Bulls shield team yet you advocate Australian A? He is a good prospect, but consistency is the big issue here. He doesn't have it. @JG2704 & landll47, Not sure what type of pitch was served up, but you usually find the first game of an Aussie tour, if in Perth, bowlers struggle with the total change of length due to the pace & bounce. The English innings should provide the answer, although, unlike the batting, who do show potential, our bowling is very hum-drum, so agree with a few other posts, your guys should score well on this deck. I will say, it will be nothing like the test pitch to be served up though..

  • JG2704 on October 31, 2013, 20:15 GMT

    I see we have the usual suspects getting carried away after the 1st day of the 1st match. It'll be interesting if the English batsmen will try and score at an alien fast pace to try and make a statement. Not good figures from the 3 lankies both with the (lack of wickets) and not managing to stem the flow of runs either. I still say Onions should be out there

  • JG2704 on October 31, 2013, 19:58 GMT

    @Cyril_Knight on (October 31, 2013, 11:36 GMT) Interestingly , I've read comms from many who have watched CT this season and they all say similar. It makes you wonder whether he has been showing something in the nets. To be fair , I'm not going to slate him too much if he is holding something back for fear of an injury recurring but England should not be picking a player who has that mindset

  • on October 31, 2013, 19:25 GMT

    Anyone know if CA are considering recalling Katich ?

    Chris Rogers did v well in most recent Ashes; someone described him as "the Katich you'd pick if you can't have Katich". Very true - now if Aus had *both* of them in the top 6 ...

  • GrindAR on October 31, 2013, 18:29 GMT

    Not cas Chris Lynn scored a ton... but for the reasons how he handled the bowlers and stayed long enough... shows his temperament is of a high level test character. CA could consider giving him a go in the Ashes... Probably they will be pleasantly surprised to find him in. He can be a Warner with test mindset, plus he can be molded as a handy bowler.

  • ElusoryDolphinArm on October 31, 2013, 18:26 GMT

    England need to seriously sort out their catching. I genuinely think its the biggest difference between now and 3 years ago and has cost us dearly in some series (SA in mind). We took some 'blinders/worldys/good ones' in Aus last time around, Collingwood to catch Ponting? Dont think we'd even get a hand on those this time around and it could seriously cost us.

    Think the basics need some work before the first test.

  • Selassie-I on October 31, 2013, 16:18 GMT

    I think these days only England and SA have 3 world class fast bowlers in their sides.

  • on October 31, 2013, 15:54 GMT

    Good to see all the bowlers get a decent number of overs in, they all need to get in some rythmn. Remember the warm up games in India last winter were poor as well!!

  • Tigg on October 31, 2013, 14:33 GMT

    Okay selectors, haha, we get the joke. Good prank.

    Can you draft in Graham Onions now please...

  • xtrafalgarx on October 31, 2013, 14:21 GMT

    If i were an English selector i would still choose Finn. He is young and has talent and hasn't done too badly at test. He takes wickets though at a cost. It's risky going for a debutant in a high pressure ashes series, and Tremlett looks to be not the bowler he was. But the medics will be trying to get Bresnan fit.

    Bresnan is the best exponent of what this english side are about. They are an attritional side that sand papers teams to death, not blast them away and i think he is the bowler that best suits Cooks captaincy style.

  • cric_J on October 31, 2013, 14:20 GMT

    I must say I really agree with the last line there. We may really need Bres here more than we ever have, if today's trend continues. Unless our tall-fast-trio really gets its act together tomorrow, as well as in the other 2 warm ups, I'm afraid we're gonna have to chose the "least undeserving" instead of the "most desrving" to play at Brisbane. And that isn't a good sign for any team.

  • cric_J on October 31, 2013, 14:15 GMT

    All right. So England have begun their tour on a pretty unimpressive note. They've allowed four second choice WA players to get fifties and have managed to chip just 4 wickets at the cost of over 350 runs. That is certainly not what is expected of them. That said, it is way to early to work oneself up over a poor first day of an Ashes tour at the office.

    My biggest disappointment was Finny, who by the looks of it, couldn't work up any rhythm or control whatsoever. Frankly, I'm not too surprise by Tremlett faring poorly and Rankin will take some time to get accustomed to an Ashes tour, even if it is just a warm up match. Jimmy was at his miserly best, though he would certainly have liked another wicket or two for his hard efforts today.

    The pitch, I reckon is a good one to bat on, so I'd expect our lads to rack up some serious runs here. If they don't I'd be more uncomfortable than I am today.

  • milepost on October 31, 2013, 14:09 GMT

    England will get a pasting here and hopefully it will continue all summer.

  • jonesy2 on October 31, 2013, 14:02 GMT

    Mitty2--- against an average bowling attack? this 3rd string warriors bowling attack is better than englands is. Duffield is better than every England bowler, cockleys on the comeback, dixons a promising young seamer and beer and turner have the spin covered. if joel paris was playing I would suggest he would be in for a bag of wickets.

  • Showbags88 on October 31, 2013, 13:36 GMT

    Being an Aussie I won't get too excited about today's performance but England were woeful. I remember when they were last out here they looked like a professional unit that were here on a mission in each tour game. Today's performance looked like they were here for a bit of fun. There was no intensity in the field whatsoever and the bowlers all looked pedestrian. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come lol. And please England don't pick Rankin or Finn for the 1st Test (reverse psychology).

  • ScottStevo on October 31, 2013, 13:19 GMT

    Wretched is way over the top, but obviously not the start Eng were looking for. As I said during Aus's warm up matches during the last Ashes when the Poms were slating us, these are nothing more than glorified net sessions and are merely preparation for the big show. You'd expect these guys to be starting slowly and building their way up towards Brisbane. That said, with a bowling position up for grabs, you'd have hoped that at least one of the tall blokes was showing positive signs.

    @First_Drop, Aus have been making average bowlers look great for some time now with some of our lame batting performances. Especially so against spin.

  • First_Drop on October 31, 2013, 13:00 GMT

    @England supporters - 1st day of tour, we can't read much into this. However, it does start to grow the pressure on these 3 chaps in particular - as I've said before, England is one injury (Jimmy) away from having a fairly average attack...whilst I wouldn't wish an injury upon him, it does show the lack of 'quality in depth' in England's bowling ranks. Contrast this to Australia's quality and depth in bowling, (albeit, constrained by injury).

  • First_Drop on October 31, 2013, 12:53 GMT

    @SamRoy - yes, its almost like England are trying to replicate the great Windies teams of the 80's - Garner, Ambrose, Walsh, Holding et al - all very tall bowlers. But there is so much more to fast bowling than being tall. Personally, as an Aussie fan, I'd love to see either Tremlett or Finn bowling on the day - (I think the jury is still out on Rankin). I think Tremlett is there because he had a very good go last time around in Oz - but I'm not sure if he bowled well, or we made an average bowler look good. Either way, I'm glad he's in the team - Finn to.

  • njr1330 on October 31, 2013, 12:47 GMT

    If England were serious about Tremlett, he should have played the final Test at the Oval. Instead, the England management chose to ruin the career of their best spin-bowling prospect, before it had even begun! ...And these people get paid for making decisions!! LOL!!

  • 2.14istherunrate on October 31, 2013, 12:47 GMT

    I love that last sentence. It says it all.

  • Mitty2 on October 31, 2013, 12:36 GMT

    @jmcilhinney, there was a little movement off the pitch but otherwise it was hard and came on to the bat really well - really good for batting. Expect Eng to make a big score against a really average bowling attack.

  • on October 31, 2013, 12:35 GMT

    I was mocked by a few commenters 2-days ago for suggesting that Lynn should be considered for the Australia A Squad.

  • CricketChat on October 31, 2013, 12:30 GMT

    Surprised at the poor returns of Eng bowlers. Unless they intentionally bowled to a plan not to try hard, they will be in for hard labor when the real test starts.

  • on October 31, 2013, 12:17 GMT

    Broad, Anderson, Swan and Bresnan are the quartet England need! Out of those only Anderson Bowled. If any of these bowlers need replacing, England will have a significant weak link. If Broad gets fit and stays fit. I would tip him to do well. He seems to have the most 'mongrel' out of all the English bowlers; Anderson included.

  • FingorsDad on October 31, 2013, 12:01 GMT

    I wonder what Graham Onions makes of this....

  • jmcilhinney on October 31, 2013, 11:58 GMT

    What happens on the first day of the first of three warm-ups doesn't matter too much but this was undoubtedly a chastening day for the England bowlers. On the strength of this performance, none of the three of Finn, Tremlett and Rankin look like deserving a spot in the first Test. The report doesn't really say anything about the pitch, which may have been a contributing factor but it doesn't sound like the bowling was very good regardless. If the wicket is lifeless then they may still find wickets hard to come by but there's just no excuse for leaking runs the way they did today. Line and length needs to improve markedly. As long as it has by the time of the first Test the that's all England need but I hope it won't be a case of picking the least bad of Finn, Tremlett and Rankin. I want someone to genuinely earn that place. Finn is the biggest disappointment because he looked a real prospect but looks just as far as ever from fulfilling that potential.

  • Mitty2 on October 31, 2013, 11:54 GMT

    On our side of things, Lynn was extraordinary, but Harris was imperious. His driving was exceptional and he took all wind from the English bowlers' sails straight away. He set the tone and i think he's doing what a lot of batsmen are going to do this year - after one/two average shield seasons (pitch conditions or second year blues like with Lynn) they're going to perform this year. Helped with pitches better for batting, we'll be able to see a truer indication of batters' abilities and truer indications of bowlers' ability (inflated averages of Sayers, Mennie, Gannon, etc and deflated averages of some spinners). But anyway, there were some predictions that Harris, despite his 28 FC average, would show everyone his ability this year like he did in his first, and have a very good year. The same was said of Lynn, and this will do him a world of confidence an help out the shaky Qld batting line up immeasurably.

    Towers was very solid (18 FC average...) and Marsh hit it well (20 FC ave..)

  • landl47 on October 31, 2013, 11:49 GMT

    This is why they play warm-up games. Both bowlers and batsmen have to put in the work to get ready for when it counts.

    No doubt they'll all feel they could and should have done better- if they don't, there's a problem.

    Sounds as though this was a nice innings by Lynn. He could be a prospect.

  • Vishnu27 on October 31, 2013, 11:48 GMT

    Nothing at all can be read into today's preformance, as it's far too early in the tour for any rash calls. However, it is far from the positive start England would've hoped for & planned on.

  • Mitty2 on October 31, 2013, 11:45 GMT

    Finn has a serious problem. I maybe looking from afar but i watched a lot of this game today and in all the games I watch of Finn he's pretty much expensive in all of them. People say rhythm and his run up are the fault, but really, like in Trent Bridge he was still bowling 90m/h but just getting smashed. In that game he seriously tried to gift us the game with his bowling to Agar and Haddin. He can't pitch it in the same place twice and has no consistency to speak of. People were hailing him as the best young fast bowling prospect, but really, his accuracy is worse than Mitchell Johnson's. Already dropped in two Ashes series because of his inaccuracy... Will things have changed for this Ashes?

    Rankin was pretty bog average, bowling full tosses, half volleys, extracting little bounce and he kept falling away at the crease (no accuracy again). His rhythm looked poor and Harris pounded him.

    Tremlett's lacking in pace from 2010/11 and was very innocuous. Jimmy was class - as usual.

  • 200ondebut on October 31, 2013, 11:45 GMT

    Big deal - I think anyone who has any knowledge of the game will know that this means nothing when the tests start in a few weeks.

  • SamRoy on October 31, 2013, 11:37 GMT

    One thing I find funny about the England team is that they don't believe any player can have prodigious talent. Otherwise almost all their fast (correction medium pace) bowlers are very tall. They never seem to learn the simple fact about fast bowling i.e. Pace bowlers come in all shapes and sizes. The best ever Malcolm Marshall was only 5'8". The current best Steyn is 5'11". The previous best was McGrath at 6'4". England's best fast bowler in 20+ years is Jimmy Anderson and he is 6'2" and their second best was Darren Gough who was about 5'10". You don't have to be a 6'6"+ giant to be a good fast bowler. I meant this comment to be published here and by mistake it got published in Ian Bell's page. Apologies to Ian Bell and Cricinfo.

  • Cyril_Knight on October 31, 2013, 11:36 GMT

    Reports in daily newspapers suggested Tremlett was "holding something back," this was always going to be the case, it's how he bowled all season, as if he has no confidence that his body can sustain any attempt to bowl quickly for long periods. England have asked for this by picking him, ignoring his form and performances for Surrey. I have questioned his heart many times and will continue to bring it up as long as he continues not to try.

    It's an absolute joke that this man has been rewarded with an Ashes place, in short it's recognition from the selectors that he had not tired in domestic cricket. They think he will bowl better for England because he will put the effort in. Thus returning to his pre-op form.

    I expect him to be picked for the first Test (If Rankin was English he would not be there and Finn has the similar form issues to Tremlett), but I do not expect him to bowl well. I've seen far too much of him post-op to expect that.

  • Cyril_Knight on October 31, 2013, 11:36 GMT

    Reports in daily newspapers suggested Tremlett was "holding something back," this was always going to be the case, it's how he bowled all season, as if he has no confidence that his body can sustain any attempt to bowl quickly for long periods. England have asked for this by picking him, ignoring his form and performances for Surrey. I have questioned his heart many times and will continue to bring it up as long as he continues not to try.

    It's an absolute joke that this man has been rewarded with an Ashes place, in short it's recognition from the selectors that he had not tired in domestic cricket. They think he will bowl better for England because he will put the effort in. Thus returning to his pre-op form.

    I expect him to be picked for the first Test (If Rankin was English he would not be there and Finn has the similar form issues to Tremlett), but I do not expect him to bowl well. I've seen far too much of him post-op to expect that.

  • SamRoy on October 31, 2013, 11:37 GMT

    One thing I find funny about the England team is that they don't believe any player can have prodigious talent. Otherwise almost all their fast (correction medium pace) bowlers are very tall. They never seem to learn the simple fact about fast bowling i.e. Pace bowlers come in all shapes and sizes. The best ever Malcolm Marshall was only 5'8". The current best Steyn is 5'11". The previous best was McGrath at 6'4". England's best fast bowler in 20+ years is Jimmy Anderson and he is 6'2" and their second best was Darren Gough who was about 5'10". You don't have to be a 6'6"+ giant to be a good fast bowler. I meant this comment to be published here and by mistake it got published in Ian Bell's page. Apologies to Ian Bell and Cricinfo.

  • 200ondebut on October 31, 2013, 11:45 GMT

    Big deal - I think anyone who has any knowledge of the game will know that this means nothing when the tests start in a few weeks.

  • Mitty2 on October 31, 2013, 11:45 GMT

    Finn has a serious problem. I maybe looking from afar but i watched a lot of this game today and in all the games I watch of Finn he's pretty much expensive in all of them. People say rhythm and his run up are the fault, but really, like in Trent Bridge he was still bowling 90m/h but just getting smashed. In that game he seriously tried to gift us the game with his bowling to Agar and Haddin. He can't pitch it in the same place twice and has no consistency to speak of. People were hailing him as the best young fast bowling prospect, but really, his accuracy is worse than Mitchell Johnson's. Already dropped in two Ashes series because of his inaccuracy... Will things have changed for this Ashes?

    Rankin was pretty bog average, bowling full tosses, half volleys, extracting little bounce and he kept falling away at the crease (no accuracy again). His rhythm looked poor and Harris pounded him.

    Tremlett's lacking in pace from 2010/11 and was very innocuous. Jimmy was class - as usual.

  • Vishnu27 on October 31, 2013, 11:48 GMT

    Nothing at all can be read into today's preformance, as it's far too early in the tour for any rash calls. However, it is far from the positive start England would've hoped for & planned on.

  • landl47 on October 31, 2013, 11:49 GMT

    This is why they play warm-up games. Both bowlers and batsmen have to put in the work to get ready for when it counts.

    No doubt they'll all feel they could and should have done better- if they don't, there's a problem.

    Sounds as though this was a nice innings by Lynn. He could be a prospect.

  • Mitty2 on October 31, 2013, 11:54 GMT

    On our side of things, Lynn was extraordinary, but Harris was imperious. His driving was exceptional and he took all wind from the English bowlers' sails straight away. He set the tone and i think he's doing what a lot of batsmen are going to do this year - after one/two average shield seasons (pitch conditions or second year blues like with Lynn) they're going to perform this year. Helped with pitches better for batting, we'll be able to see a truer indication of batters' abilities and truer indications of bowlers' ability (inflated averages of Sayers, Mennie, Gannon, etc and deflated averages of some spinners). But anyway, there were some predictions that Harris, despite his 28 FC average, would show everyone his ability this year like he did in his first, and have a very good year. The same was said of Lynn, and this will do him a world of confidence an help out the shaky Qld batting line up immeasurably.

    Towers was very solid (18 FC average...) and Marsh hit it well (20 FC ave..)

  • jmcilhinney on October 31, 2013, 11:58 GMT

    What happens on the first day of the first of three warm-ups doesn't matter too much but this was undoubtedly a chastening day for the England bowlers. On the strength of this performance, none of the three of Finn, Tremlett and Rankin look like deserving a spot in the first Test. The report doesn't really say anything about the pitch, which may have been a contributing factor but it doesn't sound like the bowling was very good regardless. If the wicket is lifeless then they may still find wickets hard to come by but there's just no excuse for leaking runs the way they did today. Line and length needs to improve markedly. As long as it has by the time of the first Test the that's all England need but I hope it won't be a case of picking the least bad of Finn, Tremlett and Rankin. I want someone to genuinely earn that place. Finn is the biggest disappointment because he looked a real prospect but looks just as far as ever from fulfilling that potential.

  • FingorsDad on October 31, 2013, 12:01 GMT

    I wonder what Graham Onions makes of this....

  • on October 31, 2013, 12:17 GMT

    Broad, Anderson, Swan and Bresnan are the quartet England need! Out of those only Anderson Bowled. If any of these bowlers need replacing, England will have a significant weak link. If Broad gets fit and stays fit. I would tip him to do well. He seems to have the most 'mongrel' out of all the English bowlers; Anderson included.