Australia v England, 3rd Test, Perth, 2nd day

England battle to keep Ashes alive

The Report by Daniel Brettig

December 14, 2013

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England 4 for 180 (Cook 72) trail Australia 385 (Smith 111, Warner 60, Broad 3-100) by 205 runs
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Jarrod Kimber's Ashes Report: A Day of Attrition

Hard though they tried, Alastair Cook and England could not shake Australia in Perth, on an enthralling day that produced some of the most compelling cricket of the Ashes series so far.

Knowing one more batting capitulation would all but hand the Urn to the hosts, England fought bravely with the ball then the bat but by day's end maintained only a tenuous hold on a match they cannot afford to lose.

The tourists' fight was personified by their captain's innings, a calm, collected 72 by Cook that nonetheless fell short of the definitive tally he desired. His exit at the hands of Nathan Lyon followed a lively spell by Mitchell Johnson, who then made another critical contribution to the series by leaping at mid-on to catch Kevin Pietersen from the bowling of a revved up Peter Siddle.

Ian Bell and Ben Stokes survived to the close, but they still have an enormous task ahead to reach parity on a pitch showing signs of deterioration in addition to its high pace and sharp bounce.

Australia's bowlers have been drained by their efforts on another day of temperatures nudging 40C but they remained an admirably skilful and united ensemble as the shadows lengthened, giving the batsmen barely a moment's peace.

England's frustrations on a tour where little has gone right for them was epitomised by the exit of Joe Root, who was flabbergasted to be given out caught behind as hard won gains were eroded. Reviewing the decision immediately, Root was ultimately sent on his way after video evidence could not mount a strong enough case for Tony Hill to overrule the on-field call of Marais Erasmus, despite Hot Spot revealing no mark on Root's bat and Real-Time Snicko finding a noise only after ball had passed bat.

Smart stats

  • England's current run-rate of 2.64 runs per over is the fifth-slowest in a Perth Test (with a minimum of 50 overs) since 2000. It's England's slowest in Perth since 1982.
  • The dot-ball percentage in Australia's innings was 75%; in England's innings so far it's been 84%.
  • Peter Siddle dismissed Kevin Pietersen for the tenth time in Tests - his average against Pietersen is 16.70. No other bowler has dismissed him more than six times in Tests.
  • The 85-run first-wicket stand between Alastair Cook and Michael Carberry is England's highest for the opening wicket since March this year, when Cook and Nick Compton added 231 against New Zealand. In 21 innings in between, England's average stand for the first wicket was 23.95.
  • Pietersen became the fifth England batsman to go past 8000 Test runs. He achieved it in 176 innings, the quickest among them. The previous-fastest among England batsmen was Graham Gooch, in 189 innings.

England's bowlers had rounded up Australia's tail for the addition of 59 runs from their overnight 6 for 326. Stuart Broad and James Anderson pursued a fuller length than that of the first day and were rewarded with a series of edges that either found the slips cordon or squeezed through gaps - few runs were found anywhere else.

Johnson was out to his second ball of the morning, snicking a beautifully pitched delivery from Broad that curved subtly in before seaming the other way and going through to Matt Prior. Steve Smith could add only eight to his overnight 103, getting the merest of inside edges to an Anderson ball that moved back at him.

Erasmus declined the appeal but the evidence of Hot Spot and Real-Time Snicko was enough for the decision to be reversed by Hill under the DRS. Smith walked off shaking his head. Harris and Siddle also perished to edges though not before he and Lyon added a pesky 31 for the last wicket.

Cook survived a difficult diving chance offered to Smith's left from Harris before lunch, and after it Carberry's skied pull shot that landed inches beyond the grasp of a sprinting Haddin. Gradually the England openers wrested the initiative, forcing Australia onto a less aggressive footing, bowling for maidens to slow the run rate.

But the tactic proved extremely effective. Carberry was becalmed and played Harris onto his stumps while trying to leave the first ball delivered from around the wicket. Root's debatable feather to Watson drew raucous celebrations from the Australian huddle, and it was the hosts who went to tea feeling happier about their afternoon's work.

Both sides recognised the importance of the evening session, England wrestling for a foothold, Australia straining equally hard to turn them back. Pietersen and Cook withstood some exceptional bowling by Siddle, Harris and Johnson on resumption, concerning themselves principally with survival in the hope that things would get easier.

Peter Siddle was highly animated after dismissing Kevin Pietersen, Australia v England, 3rd Test, Perth, 2nd day, December 14, 2013
Peter Siddle's dismissal of Kevin Pietersen put the Australians on top © Getty Images

In the unrelenting heat, Clarke had to rotate his bowlers frequently but they responded by maintaining discipline in a way that offered little respite to the batsmen. The importance of the moment was emphasised when Clarke actively encouraged the crowd to get behind the pacemen, drawing an extra spell of speed out of Johnson at a moment when Cook and Pietersen might have wriggled free.

The din of Australian spectators around the WACA was rewarded as Cook eventually succumbed when Lyon's extra bounce drew a top-edged cut shot that Warner held diving forward at point. Having contributed to Cook's departure, Johnson made way for Siddle, pursuing his favoured quarry, Pietersen.

Australia's planning to Pietersen has succeeded in corralling the most free-spirited of batsmen, and he again perished to Siddle. This time it was not the midwicket trap but a toe-ended pull to mid-on that did for him, Johnson leaping with wonderful athleticism to claim the catch. Siddle's celebration was all bared teeth and spinning eyeballs.

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Posted by Harmony111 on (December 16, 2013, 9:18 GMT)


Your argument is sophistic.

We were told that Snicko takes a lot of time in syncing the audio with the video so Real Time Snicko was given to us, to supposedly give us, in real time, audio & video all in sync. Now we are being told that sound travels slower than light but wasn't this the issue with the old Snicko?

What you are essentially saying is that if this Real Time Snicko shows us a sound AFTER the ball has gone past the bat we should still take it as proof of an edge cos sound is slower than light !!!. Now will you please tell me how much time/distance is to be allocated for this margin? If this RTS can't sync sound what is its use?

A more serious rebuttal is that sound is basically perception of pressure variation. A rotating ball & esp its rough seam causes a lot of pressure variation in the air. Juxtaposed to a bat coming from the opposite side, this becomes pronounced. Thus, snicko may show a sound for no edge, like the whooosh we hear from a whip.

Posted by Harmony111 on (December 16, 2013, 9:02 GMT)


A lovely gem from you when you say that ... "We can't seem to be positive without being reckless."...


Posted by Brett_in_China on (December 15, 2013, 6:04 GMT)

@unbiased-referee - Guess we can put up with it, having got used to boring and predictable comments such as yours. So there are back to back Ashes - get over it, everyone! The reasons have been explained often enough.

Posted by unbiased_referee on (December 15, 2013, 4:45 GMT)

Surely ENG fans can take some solace in ENG crossing two major milestones in their first innings-crossing 200 and 250 marks for the first time in the series! Looking at ENG second-innings performance in the series so far, AUS will have to give them a target well in excess of 500 yet again, unless ENG get struck by law of averages. I am at a loss how fans from either side can cope with such a boring, one-sided series that can repeat itself as rapidly as six months!!!

Posted by foeofdevil on (December 15, 2013, 4:41 GMT)

now it's show time for aussie fans when kangroos come out to bat against the three lions

Posted by Mitty2 on (December 15, 2013, 4:29 GMT)

Lolol England's best 1st innings performance this series sees them trail by 134 runs. Our first innings leads in this series: 159, 398, 134. How long was it now since Eng haven't passed 400?

At the midway point of this #Ashes series:

AUSTRALIA - 39/1783

ENGLAND - 50/1050

AUS - 45.7 runs per wicket ENG - 21.0 runs per wicket.

In fact some saving grace for England, their tail did better this time! They added 22 runs for last 2 wickets. But, like so many other things in these ashes, we did better: 47 in 1st inns. I'm struggling to think how we could destroy England more comprehensively?

Posted by   on (December 15, 2013, 4:13 GMT)

shambolic performance from English lads downunder. Ian Botham was spot on with his 5-0 predictions. only thing he got wrong was the winning team. 5-0 very much a possibility after their limp response in 3rd game.

Posted by   on (December 15, 2013, 3:19 GMT)

Defensive/negative batting by the Bell/Stokes parternership has cost England. What would be the point of seeing out 50 overs, score 50 runs and then get out. You've neither defended nor given your side sufficient runs even if you did get out. Not to mention a lack of reflexes and feet movement because of the negative mindset. With zero pressure on Aus, they might as well have pressed the self destruct button.

Posted by lillee4PM on (December 15, 2013, 2:58 GMT)

<Posted by strikeforce2003 on (December 14, 2013, 19:28 GMT) England will win at Perth> Just interested to find out what drugs you are using or are you in Perth and sitting in the sun without a hat on??!!

Posted by Bonehead_maz on (December 15, 2013, 2:56 GMT)

How good is Harris ? That stuff to Bell goes down in DK Lillee to VIV legends, doesn't it ?

Posted by lillee4PM on (December 15, 2013, 2:50 GMT)

Great bowling by Harris to remove Bell and good use of the DRS, Aus well on top now!

Posted by   on (December 15, 2013, 1:30 GMT)

Great battle thus far - looking forward to a pivotal day 3. C'mon Aussies!!

Posted by Spud73 on (December 15, 2013, 1:19 GMT)

Some amazing comments here regarding slow scoring by England. This is a test match not a T20, Bell and Stokes may have been slow but their only job in the last hour was to be there in the morning so they can start to build a real innings. The C9 tv station even had a poll going after KP's wicket "will England bat out the day?" They did and did so very well, it may not be pretty but this is test cricket under immense pressure in front of an Australian crowd.

Now there is a bit of movement I fancy Anderson will get more potent in the 3rd innings and now they should know the length to bowl.

Posted by Vishnu27 on (December 15, 2013, 0:29 GMT)

DJAbacus: no chance of an England win here.

For those who think the Root dismissal "unfair": he was given out by the onfield umpire! This was not a decision made on referral. Get over it. Australia had many howlers in England. It is & has always been part of the game.

Posted by runout49 on (December 15, 2013, 0:20 GMT)

Having squeezed thhe 5 tests to get them out of the way by early January I'm sure Cricket Australia is hoping their team can wrap up the Ashes in this test. Then they can rest the current team to prepare them for their more important Big Bash !

Posted by RednWhiteArmy on (December 15, 2013, 0:03 GMT)

I was at the WACA ground day 2, bay 13. What a extreme experience as England just kept their head above water with the temperature a mere 41 degrees! Stokes has a chance to force himself into the team properly on day 3

Posted by   on (December 15, 2013, 0:03 GMT)

Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place, and I don't care how tough you are, it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep moving forward.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 23:44 GMT)

Still a significant number of runs behind Australia. The follow on will be avoided, but I still feel England haven't got enough about them to build a first innings lead. The start of Australia's second innings will be crucial. This may be the day where the Ashes return down under.

Posted by Chris_P on (December 14, 2013, 23:27 GMT)

@ jmcilhinney, England are in a better position than Australia on day1? I think I would take 5/303 over 4/180 on this deck thanks. This pitch will be increasingly harder to bat on & Swann's effort with the bat, to date, have been very poor if you are depending on him for runs. But, this English side us far from being the bad side many have suggested as they do have history, but they are very much on the back foot on day 2 IMHO.

Posted by Masifm on (December 14, 2013, 23:14 GMT)

Best of luck team england cary on your fighting with australia

Posted by VivGilchrist on (December 14, 2013, 22:49 GMT)

What else can people whinge about? This series pales into insignificance when you compare the rotten match turning decisions of last series. Move on.

Posted by camcove on (December 14, 2013, 22:41 GMT)

OK - Despite having watched a great day's test cricket, I am going to continue the conversation about DRS by offering my humble views on the subject. First, the Indian position, which seems to be pilloried by the Poms and us Aussies - my understanding is that they have declined to use it till it is right. Given the last two series, that looks a reasonable position. A case in point is the "onus of proof". In an LBW review, the decision is overturned only if more than half the ball is hitting or not hitting, as the case requires. In other words, the judgment of the umpire in the original call is still the main factòr. Botham was actually right (oy vay) when he said all LBW reviews should be determined by the "more than half"call, regardless of the onfield umpire's decision. The ICC seems to be determined to vindicate umpires' decisìons, rather than to get good decisions. On Hot Spot, absence of a mark doesn't prove the negative; presence proves the positive.

Posted by inthebag on (December 14, 2013, 22:34 GMT)

The poms are playing for the draw.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on (December 14, 2013, 21:56 GMT)

@DJAbacus, imagine an England win? I mean go on, go for it, I can't imagine it. @strikeforce2013, "England will win at Perth". Possibly yes but not at cricket.

Posted by warnerbasher on (December 14, 2013, 21:45 GMT)

England clinging on by their fingernails. Great fight from them yesterday and crucial that Bell is around for the new ball which is imminent.They need to get somewhere close to our score or the 4th innings chase could prove impossible giving the cracks that are appearing on the pitch. Our bowling yesterday was sustained and high class and if that continues this morning it may be difficult for the Poms to hang on. Hope they do hang on I want to see how we perform when the pressures on. Still have real concerns with our batting and suspect Steyn, Morkel and PHilander may be licking their lips in South Africa with some of techniques they will be bowling to

Posted by Krazyvery on (December 14, 2013, 21:22 GMT)

If Aussie can get a lead of 70 runs or so it would be challenging for England to chase a target of 320 or so on cracking Perth pitch. Surely the urns would be going back to Australia unless England give it their best in later half of their innings and rest of the match.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 20:59 GMT)

Posted by shot274 ( Also we shouldnt pay too much heed to the TV commentators who feel every pitch is flat. they obviously havent watched subcontinental cricket! this wicket is quick with bounce some lateral movement and certainly some purchase for spinners. I dont think it was that easy a wicket to bat on. From a hundred yards away everything looks flat!)

Those TV commentators have over 1000 test matches played between them and go look at the pitch first hand every day. How close to the wicket do you get mate? Or how many tests have you played?

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 20:00 GMT)

said it before the match even if England manage to save here, have got to go for broke and use Robson , Ali to fire up batting.cheers Bob

Posted by strikeforce2003 on (December 14, 2013, 19:28 GMT)

England will win at Perth

Posted by DJAbacus on (December 14, 2013, 18:00 GMT)

I think England are a wicket behind. I would love Stokes to get a big score, for now and for the future. Stokes really has the potential of being a 'genuine' all rounder for England like Botham/Flintoff. We still have Bell and Prior and a decent tail so expect a 1st innings difference of +/- 50. Now can the Aussies finish the job? Can England skittle them out and chase down 250. I can almost imagine Anderson coming in with 20 to get to win. Prior at the other end. Imagine that tension for both sides......

Posted by JG2704 on (December 14, 2013, 17:59 GMT)

Today's play confirmed it all for me.From the overnight position of 326-6 I'd have taken the Aus score but after taking the 7th wkt so early on it's disappointing that Aus reached that score. As for our batting - same old. Batsmen are getting in and then unforced errors and they're out. Cook did well but I don't feel he can keep his focus for a long inns right now. A year ago and Cook would have converted his 2 50s into big tons. Re KP - I wonder if he's lacking in focus or hampered by injury.The shots he is getting out to aren't always the wrong shots for the ball but they just look on the lazy side to me. But my general batsman criticism remain. We can't seem to be positive without being reckless. I'm not against Bell scoring at such a low SR but even he played a really loose shot which could have undone all the hard defensive work.And to think there were those who say Bell should be ahead of Root because he can dominate bowling. Unfortunately not this bowling attack though

Posted by shopcraft on (December 14, 2013, 17:42 GMT)

Too much focus on the review system in this conversation thread. The inability of both top orders to show some grit and determination and not throw away their wicket has again been on show in Perth. Thank goodness for Haddin supporting Smith and the tail end to post a decent score for Australia. Carbs was unlucky, as was Root, but for Cook and KP to throw their wickets away in that manner with the Poms looking decent just shows why they are currently the 3rd ranked team in the world. BTW, if Australia win this and go on to take the series 4-0 or more, then they will move above England in the ICC test rankings. Day 3 is shaping up to be a big day not only in the context of this series, but the future of both these test teams.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 17:39 GMT)

It will be interesting to see if Ben Stokes can get a half century and a revitalised Matt Prior go on like Haddin has done, although i can't see it really. The Poms are going to score more than i thought but nowhere near enough, they are being systematically dismantled by a now ruthless Aussie team.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 17:34 GMT)

This is it==crunch time-England need the current pair to add at least another 100 runs or risk the tail being blown away.Roots dismissal was procedural but unlucky. Compelling and epic,career defining performances are required.All the English wickets were soft dismissals.Someone has to stand up for them,place a price on their wicket,take singles,punish the odd bad ball and wear the Aussies down.Could it be the making of Stokes?...

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (December 14, 2013, 17:28 GMT)

In the last seven test games between England and Australia (not including this one being played now), Australia's last 5 batsmen have chalked up a commendable 1162 runs compared to England's 727. This equates to Australia's last 5 wickets adding an average of 97 runs per innings compared to England's 61, and approximately 22 runs per wicket for Australia as opposed to 13 runs per wicket for England. Haddin's contribution not withstanding, I agree with Saker who has now admitted that England have been hopeless at bowling to Australia's lower order. Some of the games last series were much closer than they should have been because of this. This series, I agree it probably wouldn't have made much difference to the end result, but it's still very annoying to see that England consistently get the top/middle order out reasonably cheaply and then totally lose their advantage because they seem to switch off when Haddin and the tail come in. One of the many things that England MUST address.

Posted by foeofdevil on (December 14, 2013, 16:54 GMT)

It seems like English batsmen learnt more valuable lessons from the earlier test matches of ongoing series. looking promising. designed their own chance of comeback and day three will decide about their true pshycological take on their opponents. anyway this match looks like marching towards a DRAW for me if england hold till third day

Posted by sekhar_1985 on (December 14, 2013, 16:50 GMT)

@jmcilhinney so obviously both tools used for the drs are flawed i guess current usage is that neither can be completely trusted if both results are contradictory what does one do ? i think it is fair enough to stay with umpires call

i remember an instance in sydney with watson bowling to bell there was a definite noise in real time .nothing was close to bat except the ball .on that occassion bell did not review it straight away he consulted with prior after 30 sec they decided to review it

result was hot spot fails to pick up any thing snicko shows a noise bell was given not out nobody could believe it

controversies like these make indias drs stand stand look justified

which i personally feel is not a great stand .

also we have to agree technology can fail at any time.

i guess its a decision where no one will ever know the truth

i think its better to move on to a good days cricket tommorow

Posted by cric_J on (December 14, 2013, 15:59 GMT)

@jmcilhinney (December 14, 14:53 GMT) : I've tried my best to be optimistic about our chances and keep my belief and faith intact over the course of the last 2 tests and England have done their best to make me look like a desperate moron. Not sure I do want to realistically believe in them any more. Funnily enough I still do believe involuntarily.

Posted by sekhar_1985 on (December 14, 2013, 15:26 GMT)

for root Dissmissal for those arguing that sound has to be spot on sync with video frame

u can watch steven smith dissmissal in high lights even his case as well snicko picks

up noise after one video frame later

Posted by cric_J on (December 14, 2013, 15:10 GMT)


Also, I think our bowlers did pretty well in the morning finally finding the WACA length on a quickened up wicket. And had it not been for Cooky's resistance towards having a 4th slip in place, I dare say we'could have rolled over the Aussies for about 350. What was infuriating was that not having that 4th slip not only cost us wickets but also runs. Deliveries and edges that should have produced wickets instead produced runs, 6-7 such instances. Given the state our team's batting and Cook's himself has been, we could've done saving those 30-40 runs.

I said to myself at the start of today's play (and at the end of yesterday's)'that if one of Cook or KP don't stay overnight'and get a big hundred come day 3, the Ashes may well be gone by stumps day-2. So, are the now ? I think they are, hope they aren't.

Posted by cric_J on (December 14, 2013, 15:03 GMT)

Engaging day's play England finally showing some fight with the bat, it was high time they did.

Carbs did well to get another sub 50 score. Cook looked as solid as he's looked for some time now. KP seemed adamant to hang in there but at last got out trying to break the shackles as he so often does. The Aussie bowlers, who were admittedly better than ours, were on the money again with the wicket quickening up from day-1.

IMO Root's dismissal wasn't unfair but rather unfortunate.I'm almost certain he didn't nick it. Firstly because of his reaction. He reviewed straight away without even looking at Cook even though he's one of the younger lads. And we know he is no Broad or KP. Secondly, hot spot showed nothing, there was no deflection and the noise was heard after the ball passed the bat. Most importantly, Snicko shows a distinct, sharp and clear line even in case of a faint edge.It didn't do so here.


Posted by jmcilhinney on (December 14, 2013, 15:00 GMT)

@Mitty2 on (December 14, 2013, 7:19 GMT), you seem determined not to understand DRS even after all this time. It's not the case that it's either out or not. It's the case that there's either conclusive proof that the on-field umpire was wrong or not. If not then we may as well do away with on-field umpires altogether. As for how the same ball can be considered to be out or not out, it's exactly the same without DRS. Get two umpires to rule on the same LBW call and you might get two opposite decisions. In fact, get the same umpire to rule on the same LBW on two different days and you might get two different decisions.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (December 14, 2013, 14:53 GMT)

A lot of people are keen to write England off but they are in a much better position that Australia were on day 1. Their poor batting early in the series doesn't encourage but they looked improved in the second innings in Adelaide and they look like possibly continuing that here. Bell particularly is capable of a big score and with Swann coming in at #10, there's still plenty of batting to come. It's still an uphill task with Australia having the runs on the board but anyone who is willing to dismiss England out of hand at this stage doesn't really know cricket too well. If they can get close or even snatch a lead then Australia will be under some pressure and their own batting is still far from secure. If nothing else, I'm glad that there's still some interest to be had in the game and the series.

Posted by Mitty2 on (December 14, 2013, 14:53 GMT)

On the day's play, credit yet again to our very well-performing bowling attack. All gave chances, all beat the bat consistently, and all kept the pressure on. All this in over 40 degree heat. Another day where our bowling attack outperforms England's - really our first innings total should've been higher as only Smith (when on 111) got out to a genuine, wicket-taking delivery (although the same can be said for all of England's innings so I'll shut up now) - and this was boosted by some intelligent captaincy as Clarke manoeuvred the bowlers around effectively. England fought harder and good to see for them that only Cook and KP got themselves out stupidly out of four dismissals. That's an improving ratio for them, as so far it's usually over 50% of the dismissals being from ridiculously stupid shots ;). Glad to see England making marginal gains, and when they lose this test at least it won't be by the margins of Adelaide and Brisbane. Congrats England. Silver linings everywhere.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (December 14, 2013, 14:48 GMT)

@sekhar_1985 on (December 14, 2013, 14:00 GMT), I'm not trying to say that Root was out or not but your logic is flawed. The fact that Root obviously did not hit his pad does not mean that the ball hit the bat. There was an instance during the last series in England where Brad Haddin (I believe) was given out caught behind but, when it was reviewed, it was clear that the noise occurred when the ball was several inches past the bat but there was no other apparent cause for noise either. The bat did not hit the ground or the pad so obviously it's possible for a noise to occur when the bat has not hit anything at all.

Posted by Mitty2 on (December 14, 2013, 14:45 GMT)

@surlycynic, lol and this despite having mathematically probably the second best batting line up and a bowling line up with three of its bowlers having taken more than 200 wickets. It's actually baffling, I can't help but think how good England would be with Clarke as captain and Boof as coach lol. Just have to go back to after Lord's - 2-0 dominating an admittedly average team, and yet they instead of playing free-flowing cricket, they go back in their shells and play very defensively and conservatively. They let us back into the series from then, and gave confidence to all of Harris, Clarke, Rogers, Warner, Smith and Twatto due to not aggressively pursuing a whitewash, and in doing so, gave us hope ahead of this series and look how that played out! We're certain now to regain the Ashes! England have so many greats/really good players in their team, and yet their 'golden' era will be one that is short-lived and underwhelming for the quality they have individually.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge-Looks-Silly-Now on (December 14, 2013, 14:39 GMT)

My question is, what evidence is needed to overturn a decision like Roots? There was no hotspot, no snicko, rear camera showing tiny gap between bat and ball. What more could they want? If that happened to an Aussie batsman I'd be annoyed as would many of my fellow Aussie supporters here who are pretending it was justified. Why even bother using DRS if they don't believe the evidence anyway?

Posted by valvolux on (December 14, 2013, 14:34 GMT)

Hmmm...this was England's best day I reckon and are def in this match. 4/180 is pretty decent and recent history suggests day 3 is best for batting at the waca. Maybe oz was pitching it fuller, but the steep bounce off a length has gone. Whilst belly is there, with a deep tail that may have struggled so far but are still the best tail in cricket, I won't be surprised if they have a first innings lead. This wicket is made for prior - he is the key. Its freaking hot and will only get hotter so slow run rate isn't a bad thing. The oz bowlers will be knackered tomorrow. The new ball is almost due and so far the new ball has been hammered for very little return. Its game on if bell and stokes just keep their cool for an hour. Oz have shown fight, but we have been good in first innings for ages...where we choke is in the second dig and so far we've taken a decent lead with no pressure. If england get within 50, I have a feeling we will see the oz of old.

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on (December 14, 2013, 14:11 GMT)

They are so far behind the game, I don't get the optimism for England here. New ball in about ten overs, going at less than two an over, the tail in next. Where's the upside of that?

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 14:01 GMT)

This Australian team is proving to be more than just a one many army (Johnson) - they are united as one and show far more passion and pride than their English counterparts. Also, good to see positive/exciting cricket and captaincy rewarded. Good for the game.

Posted by sekhar_1985 on (December 14, 2013, 14:00 GMT)

As a nuetral watching roots dissmisal if u see the replays His bat was nowhere near his pad at any time for the snicko replays The gap must have been three inches between bat and pad.there was a noise in next frame

so it must be out root may not have felt it. u cannot give a batsmen not out because he feels he is not out. also hot spot is known not to pick up faint edges

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (December 14, 2013, 13:13 GMT)

I 'am baffled that Eng have nothing better than start their blame game all over again and for apparently no reason .Re- DRS , it has again worked wonderfully well today . In first case , Erasmus missed a certain edge and DRS saved it from being a howler by making right decision of Out. Imagine if Smith in this form had been reprieved by the ump. mistake , he would've added 50 more to Aus score atleast and the game would have ended as a contest to even allow Eng's tiny hope at it stands end of day 2. In the 2nd,- re Root -DRS just lived up to its brief - to overturn 'only' the 'howlers' and let give 50/50 the benefit to the ump .It was a close call that ump. gave 'Out' and again DRS made right call let the ump's decision stand rightly. Full marks to DRS . Just get on with the game . Or have they 'lost' it already? Please publish .

Posted by Bodders70 on (December 14, 2013, 12:47 GMT)

I think the complaints about the run rate are a bit unfair. We complain if England are overly aggressive and get out and now we complain that they're too defensive. In both cases, it's usually the bowling pressure that's led to it. At this point, 2-0 down where one session of several wickets could lose the ashes is immense pressure not to lose your wicket and not surprising they went into their shells a bit, especially with the disciplined bowling. In truth, it's the last two tests which led to today's play. I'm just pleased to see some fight, yes I expect England to get to the mid two hundreds, Australia to build an unassailable lead and England to lose but I hope for something else and this day of fight has at least kept that hope alive.

Posted by liz1558 on (December 14, 2013, 12:41 GMT)

England's most competitive performance so far. Feels like the trent bridge Test.

Posted by Broken_F-ing_Arm on (December 14, 2013, 12:41 GMT)

Root.. A bit unlucky but the correct decision was made by the 3rd umpire, nothing like the khwaja decision. @rajuramkiI reckon England should manage more than 250, I'm tipping more around 280-310. And 180-6! Geez not much faith for a team who has made 401-7, 570, and 385 in this series I reckon 305 from England and aus 170/2 at day 3 stumps with Rogers closing in on a ton after another Warner 60-70 and a classic watto failure

Posted by Vishnu27 on (December 14, 2013, 12:37 GMT)

Massive discipline from the Australian attack. Which I am sure will break the game open tomorrow if we keep it up. The Root decision is one of those: if you 're English it probably didn't look out. Being Australian it felt out to me in real time. Suck it up Joe. Australia got more than its share of roughies in England last series. That's the game. Move on people

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 12:33 GMT)

Jointlycodes - you're confusing snicko with hotspot mate.

Posted by SurlyCynic on (December 14, 2013, 12:28 GMT)

So yesterday England had one of the slowest over rates in recent years and today they had one of the lowest run rates. Most negative team in the world.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 12:23 GMT)

johntycodes is wrong. Snicko does not sense touch, it infers touch from sound, which is dodgy, as I have indicated a little earlier. Frank Fahy Emeritus Professor of Engineering Acoustics University of Southampton UK

Posted by ModernUmpiresPlz on (December 14, 2013, 12:20 GMT)

@creeketman the sound was exactly where it should be if there was an edge. Read my other comments, as well as the other article about snicko where it is explained that the sound is expected 1 frame after the ball passes the bat. Why, you ask? Short answer: Physics.

Posted by Nutcutlet on (December 14, 2013, 12:17 GMT)

I'd like to thank the England side for showing a bit of resolve; it's been a while in arriving. At last, it's nearly Christmas and, hallelujah! I am indulged: I am watching some high quality competitive cricket in the mean hours that's actually worth rolling out of bed to witness. As for the Test itself, it is beginning to be apparent why the WACA is the Australian fortress it is. The bowlers have quickly found the length to probe the batsmen - significantly fuller than England thought it was. The England runs were hard-earned. Cook & Carberry batted well (but they must get their calling sorted) & if Joe Root was unlucky, it compensates for Cook's difficult chance on 3 & one rush of blood when MC essayed another bloody hoick - either of which could/should have resulted in a wicket. What is becoming fascinating is Mitch J's apparent & sudden drought. Eng may have got him sorted, but Siddle, Harris, Lyon & Watto all present different challenges that have yet to be properly addressed.

Posted by TheBigBoodha on (December 14, 2013, 12:04 GMT)

Simon Husson, Root's bat clearly flicked the pad? Did you not see the replays? His bat was nowhere near his pad at any time! The gap must have been three inches between bat and pad.

Some people will see what they want to see, I'm afraid, regardless of what they ae shown.

Posted by HatsforBats on (December 14, 2013, 12:01 GMT)

@ Simon Husson, from the side on view I too at first thought Root brushed his pad, but it was in fact the hot spot on the ball (from the pitch) going passed his pad (hence why the "hotspot" faded so quickly). Front on angle clearly shows he didn't hit his pad.

Posted by Chris_Howard on (December 14, 2013, 12:00 GMT)

Until the Poms can learn that taking the last 5 wickets is just as important as the first five, they're going to keep getting thumped.

How's this for figures from the three Australian first innings, split between runs for the first five, and second five? (The figure in brackets is for the last four):

Brisbane: 100/195 (163) Adelaide: 257/313 (113) Perth: 143/242 (118)

Once you get into the tail, you should clean it up. They had the same trouble in England too. It's like they let the pressure off.

Posted by creekeetman on (December 14, 2013, 11:55 GMT)

I'm curious, if there was nothing on hot-spot, and real time snicko revealed a noise only after the ball passed bat, then what more conclusive evidence is there to over turn a decision??

Posted by PrasPunter on (December 14, 2013, 11:54 GMT)

At 4-146 , i think we missed a thing or two by not bowling Johnson to a left-hander. Wondering why on earth is Lyon playing here. Bowled atleast one half-tracker per over. Easy runs for Stokes. Bad captaincy during the last stages of the day !! Watson and Johnson should bowl in tandem. Lyon is hardly a threat - Cook gifted his wicket to another of his half-trackers !! Am I the only one to feel so ???

Posted by Shaggy076 on (December 14, 2013, 11:54 GMT)

Moving on DRS is a tool for players if they think the umpire has made an error, to overturn an umpires decision you need clear evidence, to me I'm still not sure if he hit or missed it and rightfully so the umpires decision stands. System works. DRS or no DRS he remains out so what is the big problem.

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (December 14, 2013, 11:51 GMT)

Re- DRS , it has again worked wonderfully well today . In first case , Erasmus missed a certain edge and DRS saved it from being a howler by making right decision of Out. Imagine if Smith in this form had been reprieved by the ump. mistake , he would've added 50 more to Aus score atleast and the game would have ended as a contest to even allow Eng's tiny hope at it stands end of day 2. In the 2nd,- re Root -DRS just lived up to its brief - to overturn 'only' the 'howlers' and let give 50/50 the benefit to the ump .It was a close call that ump. gave 'Out' and again DRS made right call let the ump's decision stand rightly. Full marks to DRS .

Posted by WheresTheEmpire on (December 14, 2013, 11:50 GMT)

Congratulations to both sides for a very interesting day of arm-wrestling Test cricket at its best. It was the sort of cricket I was expecting from the start of this series.

Also enjoyed Brettig's classic "all bared teeth and spinning eyeballs" line.

Posted by Slysta on (December 14, 2013, 11:49 GMT)

Another very good day for DRS - don't understand the fuss. The not-out on the Smith nick was correctly overturned (but the anti-DRS people don't want to talk about that, do they?), and a lot of the Root discussion seems to start from the assumption that Erasmus made the wrong call... but in fact, it's very possible that Erasmus got it right, and Root did get a fine edge. Obviously Root himself didn't believe that, but Smith was similarly adamant, even though the technology proved that Smith was mistaken. In Root-type situations, it's likely that the on-field umpire is in best position, and kudos to the DRS process for recognising that. DRS had to PROVE Erasmus WRONG: it could for Smith, it couldn't for Root... justice was done in both cases.

Posted by rickyvoncanterbury on (December 14, 2013, 11:47 GMT)

@ DJAbacus on (December 14, 2013, 11:28 GMT) With England needing a first innings lead batting forth and still 205 behind, do you honesty think Australia are only 1 wicket ahead.

Posted by Gerry_the_Merry on (December 14, 2013, 11:45 GMT)

Really disappointed with Kevin Pietersen. The Aussie pace attack in this series has been the best that I can remember after the McGrath/Lee/Gillespie combination, and better than the same combination as now in previous series when Johnson was off colour. This is also the first time in a long time that England have come with a very strong batting line up on paper, and after some recent successes. This test match, with the two captains playing their 100th test on the fastest wicket on the planet was as big a stage as one could get. But Pietersen blew it, and his judgement of a front foot pull when not very well balanced was terrible. I think he will not get an opportunity to prove himself in away conditions against a hostile attack like this ever again in his career. In my books at least, he slips a notch. Let us see if Bell can climb to become England's saviour. England need at least 150 more to stay in the match.

Posted by Meety on (December 14, 2013, 11:42 GMT)

I'd be upset if I was Root. Moving forward - I think the process was correct. IMO - the benefit of the doubt goes from the batsmen to the umpire in a review. In other words, the on-field umpire has to have no doubt the batsmen is out, when reviewed, the 3rd umpire should give benefit of the doubt to on-field umpire. Too much inconsistancy in interprtation at the moment though. == == == All things added up - a very good effort by both teams. After Adelaide - you would of had long odds on England competing with bat in hand. The only problem I have with England's innings (objectively) - was that it was too slow for the WACA. Really believe you must be scoring well over 3rpo to put pressure on the fielding captain. There is always going to be a wicket taking delivery around the corner, you must play your shots @ the WACA in particular. On the other hand - not much doing for Oz - EXCEPT for great discipline - which has given them the SLIGHT upper hand after 2 days. Ashes not won yet!!!!

Posted by Jagger on (December 14, 2013, 11:41 GMT)

What was Cook doing with his slip cordon this morning?!!! Cook's captaincy has not only cost Channel Nine revenue, but it has handed the upper hand to Australia on a silver platter.

Posted by johntycodes on (December 14, 2013, 11:38 GMT)

Snicko is not used for sound it's for touch.

Posted by electric_loco_WAP4 on (December 14, 2013, 11:37 GMT)

Well, the squeeze is on and slowly but steadily the Aus are working the way through the Eng line up. Under oppressive conditions,a draining day's workload ,this Aus attack has shown why it is the best pace attack in the world as each 1 of them came together as a well oiled machine . Even though ,unable to blast their way on a good pitch , they made things happen and caused enough alarms to keep batsmen watchful ,same time giving nothing away .Though in a commanding position,and chance to take command of the game tom. they were a bit unlucky not to have 2-3 more Eng wkts down .They beat the edge number of times of openers -C and C- and had edges bisecting through point for boundries . Through it all and a big opening p'ship they struck as a unit and picked out wkts regularly to keep the game in firm grasp.With Eng's tail after this - Stoke and Bell - pair, Aus will look to clean up early tom. to add more runs to significant lead in 2nd inngs and big target for Eng to save game .

Posted by sasidharbiet on (December 14, 2013, 11:37 GMT)

Australians are on top till now.If they could have pick 2 or 3 wickets tomorrow moprning,then that would be interesting.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 11:33 GMT)

Root's bat clearly flicked his pad, strange decision that. Some are justifying that its OK to give him out because he 'almost' hit it - as if thats is in anyway OK!!

Posted by Surajdon9 on (December 14, 2013, 11:33 GMT)

KP needs dropped, simple. He doesn't seem to care and keeps throwing his wicket away. You would have thought with him being South African he would love the challenge and have that bit between his teeth but he has been awful this series. He needs to know he isn't invincible and hopefully this may give him the wake up he needs.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 11:33 GMT)

Root dismissal was fine. It still looks and sounds out. No reason to overturn the umpire though I suggest that he well may not have hit it. No fault with the umpire and no COMPELLING reason to overturn the original decision. As an England fan we just need to move on.

Still struggle to know England's selection policy. Why take Finn, Rankin and (to a lesser extent Tremlett because he is now a medium paced trundler)t on this tour...and then not play them at Perth?

Might as well have left them at home and taken some players you might consider playing. Is Flower too emotionally connected to Broad, Anderson and Swann. This was a perfect chance to rest Anderson and Swann and stick in Rankin and Finn.

What is Saker doing to these guys, Finn was class 18 months ago but gone downhill since. Have England bowled ONE ball over 90 mph this series? Broad could do this just 12 months ago now and then. Finn and Rankin also. These are young men who should be improving not all going backwards.

Posted by batman_gothamcity on (December 14, 2013, 11:32 GMT)

This one could really get excited if England can get close to 325 then the pitch due to extreme summer heat which is already showing cracks may help swann to a large extent and make it exciting on the final day but they will have to bat well . Still have a feeling that Australia will win this one too and wrap up the ashes 3-0 .

Posted by rajuramki on (December 14, 2013, 11:30 GMT)

The way in which this test is progressing , we can expect England to fold up for 250 by lunch tomorrow . By the end of the 3rd day's play , Australia will be 180 for 6 with a lead of 315 which is enough to close out the England batsmen on the 4th day. I am no sooth sayer but can safely predict Australia to beat England by a margin of around 125 runs by the end of the 4th day's play .Now let us watch the real outcome .

Posted by DJAbacus on (December 14, 2013, 11:28 GMT)

I have Australia a wicket ahead. If it were 180-3 then it would be pretty even. A good days Test cricket.

Posted by ModernUmpiresPlz on (December 14, 2013, 11:26 GMT)

@phil The pressure created between a round ball and a flat edge of a cricket bat would be absolutely miniscule due to a cricket ball being a very small object, and the curved nature of the ball making the surface area tiny for the pressure to be created in. If it did form a wave on the snicko graph it would be far smaller than the one we saw.

Posted by shot274 on (December 14, 2013, 11:23 GMT)

this is shaping up to be a good test. for the first time in the series it may matter how Australia play in the second innings. All depends on wheher England can get within 50 runs of Aus' first innings.For all those critical of Bell, it was imperative that no more wickets fell tonight. There is heaps of time left in this match and crucially Bell and Stokes need to be together by the time the new ball is due. Also we shouldnt pay too much heed to the TV commentators who feel every pitch is flat. they obviously havent watched subcontinental cricket! this wicket is quick with bounce some lateral movement and certainly some purchase for spinners. I dont think it was that easy a wicket to bat on. From a hundred yards away everything looks flat!

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 11:13 GMT)

Snicko is flawed. You don't need contact to create sound. Just think of the 'bang' you hear when two trains pass each other in opposite directions. Ditch it.

Posted by HatsforBats on (December 14, 2013, 11:09 GMT)

What an absolutely absorbing days cricket! Wickets, hard fought runs, tenacious bowling, excellent fielding, it was all there. Well played by both sides (except for Bailey's & KP's dismissals, very poor). If I had been there I would feel I got my moneys worth, but I was glad to be watching with a beer at home. I feel sorry for Root, but not too much.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 11:09 GMT)

Tough call on Root, but the right one. It wasn't a howler, it was 50/50.If that was given not out and reviewed, he would have stayed not out. If there was no DRS, then he would be out. If the calls are this close, thats not when DRS is supposed to be used.

If Root was aggrieved then its because he played a shot he shouldn't have. One another day, he might have got away with it, but he didn't. This isn't like the Khawaja decision, where there was clear evidence to overturn, This was simply too close to overturn. I do feel bad for Root, but it is not a howler.

Posted by ModernUmpiresPlz on (December 14, 2013, 11:08 GMT)

@Hamony Re: My previous answers, and one from someone else. The snicko, although it's called "synchronised" can't change the laws of physics. In the frame where the ball passes the bat the ball starts about 1.5 feet IN FRONT of the bat and ends about 1 inch past the edge. The time it takes the ball to travel 1 inch in real time is longer than sound would take to travel to the microphone. It is physically impossible for the very tail end of the picture frame to have the nick at the same time. It shows up in the next frame, which is where it should show up. Laymen think it can be synchronised perfectly, anyone who understands physics realises that is, in fact, impossible, it's literally as simple as that. The DRS check is mainly to see if the sound can be from anything else, and the bat was near nothing but the ball, and there was no gap whatsoever between bat and ball. At that point common sense says the sound is the bat on the ball, hence it is out. Correct decision.

Posted by TheBigBoodha on (December 14, 2013, 11:05 GMT)

While Root was a bit unlucky for sure, it wasn't a howler, as some seem to be making the decision was given out the evidence has to be conclusive that the decision was wrong. Now, given that we have hot spot, visual and audio and snicko, that basically means Root had to get the all clear on all four. And therein lies the problem. There was a noise, the bat didn't hit the pad, the ball was damn close to the edge (couldn't see a space from the front on visual), and on snicko there was a slight delay, but that is consistent with what manufacturers have said might happen. So the evidence was uncertain, and it has to be certain that the original decision was wrong. If Erasmus had given him not out, that also probably would have stayed.

So while I appreciate the frustration in these kinds of matters, DRS can't overturn these kinds of decisions where the data set is contradictory. It has to be 100% conclusive.

Posted by rickyvoncanterbury on (December 14, 2013, 11:04 GMT)

Well now we have the HATRICK, to take some of the gloss off the Aussie performances we have had, the first test ..... SLEDGING, second test the SCHEDULE poor old England have, the third test the DRS controversy

Posted by Biggus on (December 14, 2013, 10:48 GMT)

Pretty happy with our guys, overall very disciplined bowling and England feel far less steady with Cook out. He looked in the sort of mood to bat for days. Feels like we're well on top, but Bell is class, have to get him early tomorrow.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 10:47 GMT)

I think england have lost the methodology how to cope test cricket as they r looking much a weaker side as compared to home ashes don't think they can retain ashes now impossible

Posted by disco_bob on (December 14, 2013, 10:44 GMT)

Why all this foaming at the mouth because of the Root dismissal. The England Ashes series was rife with DRS howlers but this series up until the Root dismissal was exemplary with regards to DRS not only that but it prevented what would have been shocking and contentious.

The Root dismissal was not shocking in any way, it was 50/50 whether it was out or not. There was a sound and bat was nowhere near pad and the bat, and it has already been established that a superfine tickle will not show up on hotspot. It was given out quickly because there was a definite sharp sound, meaning that had there been no DRS it would still have been out, so for those who are not happy with it not being overturned I asked the question, how would not having DRS made a difference to Root. It wouldn't, but not having DRS would have caused a few bad decisions in the first two tests.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 10:41 GMT)

kp is great batsman but he is not at best in this ashes...I think he will bounce back...

Posted by Harmony111 on (December 14, 2013, 10:36 GMT)

Any thoughts from the pro-DRS club members about DRS after this Root dismissal? If the Hotpsot showed no mark, if the Snicko, whether real time or unreal time, showed no sound at the time of contact, if the slow mo replays showed no deviation then on what basis does one argue that the umpire got it right? If it does not sound like a duck, if it does not look like a duck & if it does not walk like a duck then how can one call it a duck?

If anyone is going to say that DRS is meant ONLY for howlers & that this wasn't a howler then will he tell me why do we need so many technologies for howlers? Wouldn't a simple slo mo replay suffice? After all, if you are talking about faintest of edges, lightest of sounds to see if it is out or not then it is not about a Howler, right?

It has been seen that the pro-DRS guys first say that DRS is meant only for Howlers but come back to show us the utility of DRS when it gets it right for those minutest of edges or very marginal cases.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 10:28 GMT)

ok we're doing some things right but I think aus has gone into this test focussing too much on johnson there is a reason he has been left out of matches.. Bowling for pure pace may be alright but so many balls down leg side are a waste I'm not Siddles greatest fan but he is outbowling johnson at least they have to play him..keeping lyons in was a good move but I would like to have seen an over or two from smith..after all he got the pivotal wicket last test!! We're well in front but that could change... it seems the slower balls that move cause the most problems,,so let' see s ome more variety this is what clarke is good at!!

Posted by disco_bob on (December 14, 2013, 10:25 GMT)

England are Australia in disguise and Carberry is their very own Watto.

Posted by livewire2012 on (December 14, 2013, 10:22 GMT)

England is just not playing their game...

Posted by rickyvoncanterbury on (December 14, 2013, 10:16 GMT)

Well.... England battered better today... if not getting bowled out is better. How patient were the Aussie bowlers today, Well done.

Posted by ModernUmpiresPlz on (December 14, 2013, 10:13 GMT)

@milepost I have no idea, it does look like they're in game saving mode on day 2 at the WACA. Definitely a recipe for failure. But seeing off the old ball actually seems like the most sensible answer... So, I have absolutely no idea whatsoever. Maybe they want the bowlers at their best so they're trying not to score until MH, Rhino and Sids have a good night's sleep and the cracks in the pitch open up a bit more.

Agree on Bell though, definitely the best looking bat on either team, just got done early a couple of times. Gone into his shell here, though, which is not like him at all. Very odd.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 10:09 GMT)

I still don't understand why CRICKET LOVERS aren't able to understand why we hate DRS. I mean after all these incidents; debating again n again! Do you people have some respect for the UMPIRES who will stand the whole day or as long as the match continues. Bowlers make mistakes so are the batsman and fielders; so will the UMPIRES. As a DIE HARD cricket lover, I always wish and want the decisions taken by the umpire be the last. What is the point of keeping an umpire if his decisions can be altered?? Football survived without the so called TECHNOLOGY, I just wish DRS and 2 time review system to be completely scrapped off from International cricket. Well played Australia, I don't think the English batsman can recover anymore from the mental trauma of losing the first 2 tests, at least not on this series, I am sure it will be a clean sweep for the Aussies. Good to see the Australian team rising again. It will be interesting to see how they perform in our Subcontinent pitches.

Posted by Stouffer on (December 14, 2013, 9:58 GMT)

watching the Cook dismissal again, it was a clear no ball. Haddin's gloves were far in front of the stumps when the ball was played, NO BALL! Umpires just don't seem to even think about this law any more.

Posted by milepost on (December 14, 2013, 9:43 GMT)

@cricpanther, you want to drop Bell? I'm an Aussie and even I would say Bell is the best batsman in either side. Yes I think he is a better batsman than Clarke. @ModernUmpiresPlz, you're welcome but seriously what are they doing? I can't work out what they are trying to do? I know we are bowling beautifully but less than 2 an over?

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 9:40 GMT)

If smith was out then root was too. As identical dismissals they are both out or not out . It would be worse if one was out and not the other .i thought they were both out for the record

Posted by red_n_green on (December 14, 2013, 9:40 GMT)

Awaiting another Johnson Magick!!!!

Posted by ModernUmpiresPlz on (December 14, 2013, 9:30 GMT)

@milepost "trying to see off the old ball" well played old bean, love it.

Posted by lillee4PM on (December 14, 2013, 9:29 GMT)

England's best players in the last Ashes series, Rain E. Day and Lay D. Luck, were not available for selection this time around and the Urn will soon be lost!

Posted by cricpanther on (December 14, 2013, 9:26 GMT)

Big NO NO for Kevin Peterson (problem with his mind), Ian Bell (not in form)and James Anderson (blunt bowler not taking wickets) Start replace these three quickly also Matt Prior is not batted good so look for good wicket keeping batman too. Start calling to young fresh English promising cricketers rather than oldies which are out of forms and touch!!

Posted by milepost on (December 14, 2013, 9:25 GMT)

England going at less than 2 an over, are they playing for the draw already or just trying to see off the old ball? Good to see Lyon 'zooting' out Cook again.

Posted by cricpanther on (December 14, 2013, 9:20 GMT)

time to say good bye for few english players for particular this ashes series. Easy decision to remove these players as soon as possible. Outs: KP, Bell, Matt Prior, and J anderson Because batting is not that great by english batsman specially KP, Bell and M Prior not fired up and time to intake young fresh batsman like Joe Root is much needed for this ashes. Also Anderson's bowling is totally blunt and give chance to young bowlers like Stroke!! Quick change of players is needed for england and start searching couple of young batsman and a young fast bowler too!!

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge.. on (December 14, 2013, 9:04 GMT)

We are terrible, we must hand the Ashes back right now, normal Ashes service has resumed. The Root decision was a great one, he was clearly out. I don't understand the controversy? Just most excuses from us, we just need to accept Australia are the dominant side, far too good for is.

Posted by Chris_P on (December 14, 2013, 9:03 GMT)

What is it with Siddle taking KP's wicket? That's 10 times. Still not sure about Stokes, Adelaide might have been nerves, but he didn't quite look the part of a top order bat, IMHO, Woakes looked a better bat, but have seen too little of both to make a definitive decision.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 8:55 GMT)

@yoohoo, the ball must be tracked in tennis, otherwise they couldn't make the line calls. They even show the path on the big screen.

Posted by Chris_P on (December 14, 2013, 8:51 GMT)

@yoohoo. Yeah right. You do know opinions mean nothing when confronted with facts, don't you? The elite umpire panel endorses it, need anything more be added?

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge-Needs-A-Hug on (December 14, 2013, 8:47 GMT)

Well, there's the start of the collapse @milepost predicted, Cook eloquently cutting in the air straight to a fielder. I'm pretty sure it was Lyon's 'zooter' ball as well.

Posted by milepost on (December 14, 2013, 8:37 GMT)

@Mitty2, I know, we are fine. At the rate they are scoring at they might have a lead by Wednesday, apart from the inevitable collapse that is just a wicket away. Cook just played one nicely off his neck with his gloves.

Posted by ModernUmpiresPlz on (December 14, 2013, 8:37 GMT)

@yoohoo Speaking from a factual perspective, the only way that the wrong decision was made was if you believe that sound and light travel at the same speed. "Synchronised snicko" is not the same as saying sound will now travel at the speed of light so something that happens at the end of a picture frame will line up with a sound that only JUST occurred. Maybe that would make sense to a layman but from a physics perspective it is completely impossible unless the microphone is inside the bat.

Posted by TheBigBoodha on (December 14, 2013, 8:30 GMT)

Mitty2, While AUS has generally had the better of luck this series, you can't say that about this innings. Cook has snicked half a dozen through slips/gully and Carberry top edged one which fell precisely between three fielders. Pieterson keeps getting beaten. So many have gone past the bat for all batters. But that's cricket. I recall India reaching 2/290 batting like this on the 1st day of the series last time they were in AUS. Just played and missed all day. That evening I wrote that India would lose the series badly, as there was no way they'd ever have that much luck again. Needless to say the very next morning they all nicked off, and they were all out for about 50 more runs - and it never stopped for the rest of the series. AUS 4-0.

Posted by DJAbacus on (December 14, 2013, 8:19 GMT)

Australia bowling well after tea...England need to grit this out for a bit and look to hit the bad ball...

Posted by rickyvoncanterbury on (December 14, 2013, 8:17 GMT)

I love the human element of cricket it causes so much controversy. .

Posted by BRUTALANALYST on (December 14, 2013, 8:10 GMT)

It was laid out in the briefing that Snicko is slightly delayed. . . "They'll be looking for frame immediately after ball's passed bat, and if there's a corresponding sound he could have hit the ball." - ICC cricket ops manager Geoff Allardice at Realtime Snicko briefing. I guess none of the commentators bothered attending ? Both Root and Smith were out and genuinely didn't believe they edged it but that can happen when they're faint,clearly the right decisions were made (both playing away from pad with clear sound and snicko picking it up a frame after as outlined at the briefing.

Posted by yoohoo on (December 14, 2013, 8:09 GMT)

@Chris_P - Not true. DRS has mostly gotten it right less time than humans. In this particular scenario, if Root is out then the human got is right but DRS kind of failed since neither hotspot nor snick caught it. If Root is not out, then still DRS got it wrong because it stuck to the umpires incorrect decision. DRS technology is an expensive toy that is nowhere near ready for primetime. It is the reason, other sports too (like tennis) use it only for Line calls and not for anything more complex like ball tracking.

The only reason so many people want DRS is because BCCI doesn't want it. They hate BCCI and are letting their hate cloud their judgement.

Posted by ModernUmpiresPlz on (December 14, 2013, 8:02 GMT)

cont. It's probably about a metre to the microphone from the bat, which would take sound about 0.003 seconds to travel. Doesn't sound like much but it's actually extremely close to time it takes the ball to travel from where it passes the bat at the end of the first frame to being about 2 feet past the bat in the second frame.

Posted by pull_shot on (December 14, 2013, 7:57 GMT)

Is cook is d most boring batsman at moment ? With out pieterson and some extend bell england z never going to win test with dz batting

Posted by Stouffer on (December 14, 2013, 7:52 GMT)

I wonder how the ICC will consider the Root decision when it comes to DRS. If you take the umpires call out of the equation you would not give it out, therefore it was an umpiring mistake? Or do they say that the DRS "confirmed" the umpires decision and it was therefore correct… Personally, I think that Root missed it (just) and it should have been overturned.

Posted by Mitty2 on (December 14, 2013, 7:52 GMT)

@milepost, don't worry mate I know... it's Perth and MJ's bowling 150km/h, they're not scoring any runs atm and the collapse is coming. Cook keeps getting beaten... Should be out soon ;)

Posted by Chris_P on (December 14, 2013, 7:49 GMT)

For all intents it looked like a bad decision, bu snicko showed something, the Aussies certainly appealed loudly, there was no muted appeal,, the slight sound was enough to put up some doubt, no matter how small, so the umpire called it out, it stayed that way. There is not one person who has ever said DRS was 100%, but its rate of correctness is still ahead of human calls. The elite umpiring panel prefer it, why do people question their judgment? DRS gets it right more times than umpires, proven fact.

Posted by pauldk on (December 14, 2013, 7:37 GMT)

A lot of debate about Joe Root's dismissal, but I remember the dismissal of Steve Smith (I think it was) where I were surprised that the sound from snicko was a bit behind the picture as well.

Posted by milepost on (December 14, 2013, 7:36 GMT)

The Root decision was great umpiring, excellently upholding the laws of the game. Root was just disappointed he has to wait another 12 innings for a career lengthening score. Notch the decision up against Broad for not walking and denying Australia a well deserved test match win.

Posted by DJAbacus on (December 14, 2013, 7:26 GMT)

England haven't played reckless shots like the Aussies did in the first innings but went into their shell which is just as bad. I started to get nervous the way they played after tea and they lost two wickets. Both unlucky dismissals in different ways but they let the Aussies bowl at them and became under pressure after such a positive start. Looking forward to a nice afternoon session with KP playing some shots and Cook digging in.

Posted by Indiana_jones99 on (December 14, 2013, 7:23 GMT)

I have just seen Root being given out. This is again just shows one the misuse of the DRS system. In England Broad edge which was obvious was not picked up by the Umpire and Australia had run out of reviews. It is obvious to everybody that the course of action is to do away with the reviews and that the umpire waits till the 3rd umpire looks at all the video evidence, Hot spot snicko and THEN GIVES the decision. This will do away with the anomaly that the 90% of the ball hitting the stump is NOT GIVEN OUT and 5% of the ball hitting stump is OUT because the original decision made by the umpire. Run outs stumping are decided by the 3rd umpire. It is time to bring the rest of the deciision in line. The present system is akin to a lottery. Test Cricket is not for the whims of the umpire. careers of players are at stake. No allowance is made when batsmen career is affects whether iit was an umpiring decision. Time to see sense. If Criciinfo donot publish this I will write to the BBc forum.

Posted by jimmy787 on (December 14, 2013, 7:22 GMT)

So what's the point of DRS if it doesn't give us the correct decision? When DRS gets it wrong, such as the Joe Root decision today, I feel even greater injustice has been done, because the DRS is supposed to address the very issue of incorrect decisions.

Joe Root clearly didn't hit the ball. Snicko showed a dull, low sound after the ball had passed, which most likely was as a result of Root's back foot rustling as he played the ball, or the sound of the bat hitting the back pad as it came through. A snick that shows up on snicko has a distinctive signature (ie. a sharp, high inflection), and it was nowhere to be seen in Root's case. In addition, all other angles did not show the ball deflecting or deviating in any way. If that's not enough evidence to overturn the out decision on the field, then I don't know what is.

The problem isn't technology itself, it's human error. It was the case before we started using technology, and it's still there in spite of DRS.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 7:19 GMT)

Joe Root? I watched replay after replay and could'nt see the bat near the pad at the same time as when the ball passed.Seems the bat missed pad by around 40mm for most of it's journey downward.Snicko did'nt show an edge but obviously the ump heard something as did the fielders.Gonna be interesting this one cos snicko showed a mark from bat contacting pad but from from front on footage the bat does'nt seem to go near the pad.hmmmmm

Posted by GurSinghgur on (December 14, 2013, 7:19 GMT)

Two methods of DRS. Neither (it seems) shows any evidence that Root touched the ball. What more do you need to show that he didn't? Suppose there were six methods, all showing no evidence of a touch. Would the umpires ignore them all? What point is there in DRS if it isn't actually used not just to confirm but also to correct on-field umpiring decisions , whether those are OUT or NOT OUT?

Posted by Mitty2 on (December 14, 2013, 7:19 GMT)

Hahaha what goes around comes around. Root clearly not out. All the luck going our way after the last series lol! Before everyone inevitably complains about the DRS, again, it worked perfectly fine. It's the fault of the third umpire yet again. The problem is how the standing umpire has such an impact. It's either out or not out - it's the same as the LBW 'umpire's call'; how can the same ball be considered to be either out or not? In this instance all of Snicko and hot spot showed there was no edge, and yet the third umpire still calls it out. Usman Khawaja must be giggling right now. The only thing that can be used is the fact that Smith's review had a late snicko from when he hit the ball to when the sound was shown. The third umpire might have used that instance to rule the decision with Root... But still... Ridiculous decision.

Posted by milepost on (December 14, 2013, 7:12 GMT)

@Mitty2, don't praise England too soon, they look very shaky right now with wickets tumbling and both batsman playing and missing. The run rate is also spiraling down to it's usual England mediocrity. Normal Ashes service is resumed.

Posted by Dannynz on (December 14, 2013, 7:08 GMT)

Tough call on Root, hard to see how the decision could have been anything but not out.

Posted by indicricket on (December 14, 2013, 7:07 GMT)

After what happened to Root, I hope all the duffers realise why India has been against UDRS, UDRS...or whatever you call it

Posted by DJAbacus on (December 14, 2013, 7:05 GMT)

Just as England try to get back into the series, Erasmus gives Root out after a muted appeal from the Aussies. DRS showed no hot spot and a noise after the ball passed the bat. Poor umpiring all round.

Posted by Chris_P on (December 14, 2013, 7:03 GMT)

@Sajjad Sagacious Hashmani. This post was in reference to a discussion we had whether he could bowl at 140 or not. You are telling me something I am well aware of thanks.

Posted by Mitty2 on (December 14, 2013, 6:40 GMT)

England's last six innings batting first at Perth: 244, 295, 112, 185, 215, 187. Average score 206/10.. Hmmm. Great spell from Rhino to get Carberry and Lyon's bowling well. Should be expecting a collapse but it's been England's day so far and I reckon they're finally showing that they can actually play cricket and tough it out.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 6:18 GMT)

@Chris_P. Just having the ability to bowl 146 aint enough. On a pitch at WACA, he has to keep up to that speed continuously. He cant take 3 test matches to clock 145+.

Posted by Front-Foot-Sponge on (December 14, 2013, 6:07 GMT)

Lot's of us said a full length at the Gabba brings the slips into play and hey presto they try it today and get wickets (of the tail). Both openers offering chances so it's only a matter of time before the wickets start tumbling again.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 6:02 GMT)

It's a long way for England as they are running low on confidence, can't say which way it will go as WACA is good for batting in Fourth Inning.

Posted by GurSinghgur on (December 14, 2013, 5:49 GMT)

Hey, England's opening pair have made more than Australia's last pair ! We're improving. Touch wood.....

Posted by Chris_P on (December 14, 2013, 5:32 GMT)

According to channel 9, after Johnson, Anderson has been the 2nd quickest bowler in Perth with 146.4 kph. That sort of ends the argument he can't bowl 140 I would suggest, & confirms he had been flat the first 2 tests.

Posted by Chris_P on (December 14, 2013, 5:13 GMT)

Good effort by the English bowlers. Who said Anderson didn't bowl 140 any more? He topped it a few times, this has been missing from his last tour. Still plenty to happen in this test.

Posted by hnlns on (December 14, 2013, 5:12 GMT)

England have given away a bit too many on the first day, 385 looks like a steep mountain. They would do well to minimize the gap reaching at least 250-300 so they can have a decent crack at the target in the 4th innings when the pitch would have flattened out. WACA has been a very good 4th innings chasing ground in recent times.

Posted by   on (December 14, 2013, 4:59 GMT)

i think Australia will win this match

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